9/11 plus ten: Students and teachers praise George Bush’s calm response to news of the attack. In Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore said George Bush sat dumbfounded in that second grade classroom “not knowing what to do, with no one telling him what to do.” But the children who were in class that day disagree. We think we’ll trust them.

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Olivia September 11, 2011 at 5:50 am

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Oh, yeah, a group of grade schoolers are so much better qualified than the rest of the nation to judge the proper response to a message like “Mr. President, America is under attack.”

Bush would have appeared just as calm if he’d stood up and said, “Excuse me—-I’m afraid I’m going to have to leave you now. Keep up the good work,” and gotten out of there pronto. Even though I think Bush was a lousy president, getting him out of that building and in a safe place should have been a higher priority than trying to pretend to the kids that everything was hunky dory.

Let’s face it: the guy froze up. He never has been very good at thinking on his feet, and he proved it on that day, as well as during the Katrina fiasco.

KimmyQueen September 11, 2011 at 6:31 am

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and let the children hate continue… kill them in the womb and ignore them when they are young. After all humans are not worth of care nor consideration until after they have sex and/or become eligible for government dole. Typical idiot liberal. Can be gone for weeks and the song will be the same.

Notsosilent September 11, 2011 at 9:29 am

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KimmyQueen, I love your posts, If I could nominate you for blogger of the year I would!

KimmyQueen September 11, 2011 at 11:51 am

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Aww thanks!!!

poppajoe49 September 12, 2011 at 4:44 am

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I find Olivia’s comment interesting.
By saying Even though I think Bush was a lousy president, getting him out of that building and in a safe place should have been a higher priority than trying to pretend to the kids that everything was hunky dory
She seems to have no problem with freaking out children. If he had done anything other than what he did, the kids would have suspected something was wrong and started to panic.
Interesting that this is the one posting here that she has managed to get first comment on.

KimmyQueen September 12, 2011 at 9:24 am

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I find that interesting too. Overall it seems to me that her fake concern for his safety is her excuse to continue her factual hatred of children. I hope she never works at the children’s wing.

danybhoy September 12, 2011 at 7:21 pm

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KQ, it’s that fake concern that has fueled much of the crap that progressives have fed people for a century. The politically correct movement is all about that “it’s for children” BS we have all grown to dispise. Which is why I suspect Olivia has worked with children at some point, to plant that seed into the next generation.

Olivia September 13, 2011 at 3:49 am

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http://www.ihatethemedia.com/911-plus-ten-students-and-teachers-praise-george-bushs-calm-response-to-news-of-the-attack/comment-page-1#comment-118496

Author: danybhoy
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KQ, it’s that fake concern that has fueled much of the crap that progressives have fed people for a century. The politically correct movement is all about that “it’s for children” BS we have all grown to dispise. Which is why I suspect Olivia has worked with children at some point, to plant that seed into the next generation.
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What’s “crap” is the notion that, in the wake of a national disaster, it’s more important to sit and listen to children recite (lest their feelings get hurt) than to attend immediately to said disaster.

I thought it was us liberals who were reputed to be too “touchy feely” to get jobs done properly. ;)

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 4:45 am

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I thought it was us liberals who were reputed to be too “touchy feely” to get jobs done properly.

No, it’s you liberals that are too touched in the head to get jobs done properly.

KimmyQueen September 13, 2011 at 4:04 am

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The idea alone is scary.

Babydoll102187 September 11, 2011 at 9:22 am

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You really are a spiteful woman. Did you even watch the clip?

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 9:29 am

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Are you serious? Why would Olivia watch the clip? It’s about that evil George Bush…..there is no need to watch the clip! Everyone knows how evil the Bush administration was and how it has caused ALL of Obama’s problems…..from hurricanes to volcanoes to french people not liking us.

Babydoll102187 September 11, 2011 at 10:57 am

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I figured for someone who claims to be, how shall I say it, intelligent, or looking to dispel “right winger talking points” then watching this clip should be a golden opportunity for material to do so.

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:35 pm

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But noooo.

poisontolibs September 12, 2011 at 12:01 pm

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The former are ‘bad things’ and the latter is a good thing… :)

poppajoe49 September 12, 2011 at 9:02 pm

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Fred, LOL @ Jethro Bodine Gravatar!

Olivia September 13, 2011 at 3:50 am

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You really are a spiteful woman. Did you even watch the clip?
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Yes. And what I saw was that the teacher paused in the lesson, giving Bush ample opportunity to excuse himself without interrupting or alarming anyone.

LA Sunset September 11, 2011 at 3:08 pm

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You are not smarter than a fifth grader, Olivia. So yes, they are better qualified than you.

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:34 pm

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Well what did you expect him to do? Go running screeaming out of the room? If you had a brain in your head, you would realize that the President doesn’t make his own decisions about movement in an emergency. The Secret Service takes over, tells him where to go and how to get there, when to go and when to stop. He did the exact right thing not to panic the childrem.

KimmyQueen September 12, 2011 at 9:27 am

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And the secret service did the right thing too. If they had come and swoop in and taking him away that would have been a bad move. Overall they took his cue from him. He was relaxed (as much as he could have been in the situation) and so they relaxed and didnt do anything harsh. He was in command if you really think about it. If he had freaked out everyone would have freaked out. He was in control regardless of what anyone says.

Always Sunny In Hell September 12, 2011 at 6:51 am

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Ever see Scary Movie? (can’t remember if it’s 3 or 4) Leslie Nielson was playing president bush. The secret service came and told him that we’re under attack, and his response is, “so you’re telling me all these childrens parents might be dead?!” not sure if you know what it feels like O, keeping children calm in that type of situation is rule numba 1!

Olivia September 12, 2011 at 6:42 pm

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Ever see Scary Movie? (can’t remember if it’s 3 or 4) Leslie Nielson was playing president bush. The secret service came and told him that we’re under attack, and his response is, “so you’re telling me all these childrens parents might be dead?!” not sure if you know what it feels like O, keeping children calm in that type of situation is rule numba 1!
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No, Rule Number One, as any emergency rescue worker knows, would be to secure the environment. I never thought much of Bush as a leader, but apparently I have more faith than you do in his ability to defuse a tense situation. Do you really see NO way he could have taken a quick departure from the classroom without causing the kids to go into frightened hysterics?

Sounds like you see him as even more incompetent than we liberals do.

Babydoll102187 September 12, 2011 at 7:02 pm

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HAHA! 3rds!

FormerlyDeanH September 12, 2011 at 7:38 pm

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Rock it, Babydoll…

Alien September 12, 2011 at 10:15 am

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Its a tricky moment. Any president might have acted differently. He obviously looks extremely worried. He is not *frozen*, per se.. He’s kinda following along with strictures of the ongoing instruction. He keeps looking up and around, as if waiting for cues that there’ll be a pause in instruction. I don’t find much too to fault in the unedited raw footage (which i just viewed again on youtube)

fredfred September 13, 2011 at 4:43 am

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Agreed, absolutely no way to predict how any President would have reacted given a similar set of circumstances. Coming in after the fact and analyzing every facial expression, every movement, what he should have or didn’t do within that time frame is pretty pointless. In hindsight, those 7 minutes made no difference in the outcome.

RIM September 11, 2011 at 6:20 am

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Olivia, you need to clam up! You and Michael Moore are clueless. What would you have done. You’re the classic Monday morning quarterback with a healthy dose of STUPID! Just shut the f**k up and go away!!!!!

danybhoy September 12, 2011 at 7:45 pm

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It’s worse then that. If it were just the “monday morning quarterback” thing, I would’nt be upset. But it’s the revisionist element of what is “known” that pisses me off. If the facts don’t line up with their template, it’s reality that must be changed. You are seeing that right now with the ATF/DOJ/White House problem in “Fast & Furious” at our southern border. You have seen it with the “global warming/climate change” movement & it fraudulent activities. She brings up Katrina, & forgets the big picture. Things like the redirection of countless millions of dollars that were supposed to go into the levee system there in New Oreleans, the fact that there was PLENTY OF WARNING that NO was in the path, & nobody got out. School buses anyone…

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2005/10/04/never-flooded-n.php

…but hey, whatever. Plus as a former governor, he knew what the repsponsibilities were of Governor Blanco & Mayor Nagin. It would have looked good if he shoved a black mayor & a woman out of the way to do right thing. But that will not matter, because the big picture does’nt matter to people like Olivia. Only this one does…

http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2007/01/bush-plane-katrina.jpg

…& you know I’m right.

Olivia September 13, 2011 at 4:11 am

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http://www.ihatethemedia.com/911-plus-ten-students-and-teachers-praise-george-bushs-calm-response-to-news-of-the-attack/comment-page-1#comment-118498

It’s worse then that. If it were just the “monday morning quarterback” thing, I would’nt be upset. But it’s the revisionist element of what is “known” that pisses me off. If the facts don’t line up with their template, it’s reality that must be changed. You are seeing that right now with the ATF/DOJ/White House problem in “Fast & Furious” at our southern border. You have seen it with the “global warming/climate change” movement & it fraudulent activities. She brings up Katrina, & forgets the big picture. Things like the redirection of countless millions of dollars that were supposed to go into the levee system there in New Oreleans,
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You mean the Army Corps of Engineering’s insistence, for several years before the fact, that those levees couldn’t withstand a Category 4 hurricane? And the Bush administration’s response (slashing allocations to that project to finance his war ventures)? By allotting less than would be needed even for general maintenance (much less needed repairs), Bush took a huge gamble that no major storms would happen on his watch—-and he lost. We’ll be footing the bill for that gambling loss for decades to come.
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the fact that there was PLENTY OF WARNING that NO was in the path, & nobody got out. School buses anyone…
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Hoy? That’s not an example of “the big picture”—that’s what’s called “searching around for ways to excuse Bush’s lack of initiative.”

Bush declared a federal state of emergency well before Katrina hit. Given that he’d appointed a horse judge crony, with no disaster management background, to head FEMA, and given that (as you claim) state and local leadership wasn’t cutting it, don’t you think it behooved him to keep a closer eye on what was going on on the Gulf Coast, instead of tripping merrily off to a round of parties and photo-ops? Judging from his reactions the first few days after the hurricane struck, he knew less than most Americans about the disaster. Again, if you honestly feel it wasn’t important for the president to keep up with what was going on there, then WHAT, EXACTLY, DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO DO TO EARN HIS KEEP AS PRESIDENT?

What ever happened to Truman’s slogan, “The buck stops here”? I’m sorry, but “But people didn’t leave when they were told to” is merely an attempt to shift focus.

I’m not even going to get into the global warming issue with you, because you far righters have taken on the opposite viewpoint (which just happens to be spearheaded by a gaggle of “scientists” who are now or have been in the pay of the fossil fuel industry) as a religion. And it’s useless to argue with religious fanatics.

sa_rose September 13, 2011 at 10:01 am

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1) Katrina was a Cat 3 and never hit New Orleans-it hit in Mississippi. Sciientists and researchers from Louisiana repeatedly told the Governor and the Mayor what would happen if the “Big One” hit. They chose to ignore all that.
2) The Federal Government is prohibited from interfering with the States until so invited by the state. Mary Landreau was unwilling to give up her own personal control to allow the National Guard in for days.
3) Instead of using whatever transportation was available to get people out who had no personal transportation, they were told to go to the Super Dome. No water, food, batteries, nothing was stockpiled there. And any moron could figure out that electricity, plumbing, etc would be out after the storm, even if the levees had not breached.
Once all ways in and out of New Orleans were blocked by the storm, THEN everyone bitched that the government was not there to help. What, you think they could grow wings?

Katrina was a disaster of the first order. The blame is widespread, starting with allowing building in the 9th ward, which is feet under sea level. And now they are rebuiliding there! How stupid can you be?
The resultant anarchy that existed was the perfect example of what happens when there is no one taking charge, and there was no one in New Orleans who wnated to dirty their political hands over the mess that existed.

buns o'lard September 11, 2011 at 6:38 am

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If anybodys an expert on sitting around dumbfounded its micheal moore-on. :)

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 6:43 am

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If anybodys an expert on sitting around dumbfounded its micheal moore-on.
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Whether or not that’s true (which is questionable), Micheal Moore has never sought the position of president of the United States. So it’s completely irrelevant to the discussion.

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:37 pm

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No he has just had tacky, sarcastic, ill informed comments and doctored videos about everything that the President did. He could win the presidency if he was the last man on earth.

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 9:38 am

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I love the buns o’lard nomenclature!!!

KimmyQueen September 11, 2011 at 6:39 am

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I read an article about this months ago. Overall I would have done the same thing. If Bush had gotten up and started screaming “We’ve been attacked, we’ve been attacked” I would have lost all respect for him. If he had just gotten up and left, I would have also lost respect for him. There is nothing for him to do, the assumption after the first plane was that it was an accident, once it was certain of an attack, what could he do other than wait for the correct moment for him to excuse himself and get briefed and get down to business. He has generals and counselours (and a Vice President) that could have made critical decisions while they waiting for him to step him. He did the right decision to (even though mentally he was no longer there) to stay there in body as to not upset the children. He did the right thing. He didn’t act like a punk, he didn’t panic, he was mentally preparing his next steps and then took charge. I am surprised NatGeo gave him a fair shake at the documentary. It was excellent.

Sidekick September 11, 2011 at 6:45 am

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The fog of war. No-one can know how they will handle a situation like that until it happens. Bush was dealing with zero actionable information at that time. He handled the situation appropriately.

Comparing that to an ER situation is just stupid and self-aggrandizing.

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 7:28 am

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The fog of war. No-one can know how they will handle a situation like that until it happens.
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Wrong. I would certainly expect a head of state to get up off his hind end and seek more information IMMEDIATELY. Make all the excuses for him you want, but a person who automatically freezes up in the midst of a crisis is NOT someone who should be in a leadership position.
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Bush was dealing with zero actionable information at that time. He handled the situation appropriately.

Comparing that to an ER situation is just stupid and self-aggrandizing.
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Oh, stop dreaming, Kick. Bush had just been told, by one of his Secret Service men, that THE NATION WAS UNDER ATTACK. How much smarts does it take to realize that this was a bona fide emergency, and that his undivided attention was needed NOW—-not seven minutes from now?

You guys are downright ludicrous, the way you keep making excuses for Bush’s frailties.

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:40 pm

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I imagine the Secret Service told him about the plane(s) then said they were getting additional info and would get back with him. You clearly know nothing about the military OR the government!

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 7:06 am

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I read an article about this months ago. Overall I would have done the same thing. If Bush had gotten up and started screaming “We’ve been attacked, we’ve been attacked” I would have lost all respect for him. If he had just gotten up and left, I would have also lost respect for him. There is nothing for him to do, the assumption after the first plane was that it was an accident, once it was certain of an attack, what could he do other than wait for the correct moment for him to excuse himself and get briefed and get down to business.
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I don’t know what article you read, but the issue here was getting Bush out of there immediately, and to safety up in the air. As long as he continued to sit in that classroom, he was endangering both himself and every teacher and child in that school.

Odd that you would have lost respect for him if he’d acted immediately, and excused himself. Odd, too, that the only possible reactions you could think of were (1) sitting there like a bump on a log for 7 minutes, and (2) screaming “We’ve been attacked, we’ve been attacked!”

In what way would it have reflected badly on his performance as president, to annonce, “I’m sorry, but I’ve got to run. Thank you for letting me visit today”?

LA Sunset September 11, 2011 at 3:13 pm

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Olivia, were you born clueless or did you have to work on it?

What’s this getting the president out of there crap?. The hijackers had no clue where Bush was, no one in that school was ever in danger.

Stop trying to overthink shit when you cannot even think rationally.

KimmyQueen September 11, 2011 at 3:43 pm

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His schedule was actually not secret, if they wanted to get to him they would have. He was not the target per se, they were going for quantity and for landmarks. His leaving there within 1 second or 2 hours would not have made a difference. In fact moving him out of there in a hurry without planning 10 steps ahead, would have been a bad move. Securing him and getting more intel was the way to go.

LA Sunset September 12, 2011 at 6:38 am

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Kimmy,

It may not have been secret that day or even a few days before. These terrorists spent months if not years planning this and to adjust their plan that day would not have been reasonable if they really wanted to do the maximum amount of damage possible.

Presidential plans frequently change based on other events and for them to rehearse a dry run on a school in Florida months in advance could not be done with any amount of real certainty, unless they had good advance inside knowledge and could be sure that nothing would change between then and the point of the operation. These guys had a lot on their mind already, looking up the presidential schedule and readjusting their focus was just not an option.

You are right, they were looking at landmarks where mass casualties would occur and symbolism would be at stake. Plus, landmarks don’t change their schedules or move. This was a patiently and carefully planned attack from the beginning. They were not about to blow it to get one guy.

My bigger question is and has always been, how many more attacks would have occurred had the administration not grounded all planes in the time it did? Not some silly BS troubleshooting done by Olivia, who could not have given a damn less about Bush’s safety.

KimmyQueen September 12, 2011 at 1:04 pm

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Exactly. They would have had to have an inside person, at the very least track Bush like a hawk. Killing a maximum 8 year “ruler” in all reality doesn’t mean anything as they would have to kill Vice President, the Speaker of the House and a few senior senators and high rankings officials to make any type of constitutional nightmare as to who gets to lead the country. No of course it would have been sad, but basically they would have made one man a martyr so to speak.

They wanted faceless citizens and landmarks. To state that he was endangering the students and himself by staying there is preposterous.

As for your question I am sure that the decision was made even before he was told, after all those in charge of the FAA would be held accountable for not doing anything. Even if they waited to do it until after he was told I am sure that it happened within minutes of the second attack. I am sure that someone can provide information on that score. As for there being other attacks perhaps… the thing is that it seems that all the groups that were involved we know about but it would be interesting to know if there were more and they left the country of if they are still here.

poppajoe49 September 12, 2011 at 4:47 am

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Olivia, were you born clueless or did you have to work on it?

No, that kind of stupidity has to come naturally, unless there was a severe head trauma in her past.

FormerlyDeanH September 12, 2011 at 4:49 am

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Severed head trauma. That sounds serious.

Olivia September 13, 2011 at 4:03 am

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Olivia, were you born clueless or did you have to work on it?

No, that kind of stupidity has to come naturally, unless there was a severe head trauma in her past.
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No, never experienced “severe head trauma,” though I’ve cared for many patients who did. And do you know what? In none of those cases did the physican or the ER staff sit quietly in chairs for 7 minutes before going in to see the patient, to avoid frightening or upsetting the family. They just did what needed to be done, calmly and efficiently.

Tell me, Poopajoe, what do YOU think Bush’s responsibilities were on this occasion? So far, everyone seems to think that his only responsibility was to sit in a classroom chair while everyone else did all the work and made all the plans. But, if that’s the case, why would we even need a president? Just as a sort of glorified cheerleader for public displays?

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 5:03 am

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You have gotten very good at comparing cherries and watermelons. However, it has nothing to do with the post you replied to.

Hat Trick.

sa_rose September 13, 2011 at 10:06 am

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ER is a very different situation. There, minutes make a difference, and protocols are in place as to what should be done, and in what order. We didn’t (and probably still don’t) have a protocol for what happened on 9/11. NOTHING LIKE THAT HAD EVER HAPPENED ON THE MAINLAND OF THE UNITED STATES! NEVER! The President is under the care of the Secret Service, and they direct his physical actions, to ensure his safety. HE still makes the decisions, once he has an idea of what was going on and he did it. He could have single handedly gone and shot Osama Bin Laden and you would not have been satisfied. It was Bush, so obviously ANYTHING he did would have been wrong in your eyes!

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 6:40 am

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Author: RIM
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Olivia, you need to clam up! You and Michael Moore are clueless. What would you have done.
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I deal with emergencies on a regular basis at work, RIM. What do you suppose I do, when a pale, diaphoretic patient with a pulse of 200 comes in and says, “I can’t breathe”? Do you think my best response would be to get that person on oxygen and a monitor, call for the doctor, get an IV in the patient and get ready to push emergency drugs……or to sit calmly and do nothing for seven minutes, telling myself that I’m somehow helping the situation by pretending everything’s fine?

I’m sorry, but there’s a time and a place for sitting quietly and calmly….and during a national emergency is not one of those times or places.

As I pointed out in my post, there’s no reason Bush couldn’t have quietly and calmly (but swiftly) excused himself from the room. I think it’s highly unlikely that it would have frightened those kids to realize that sometimes presidents have more pressing things to do than watching second graders recite.

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 6:48 am

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You should run for president and show em’ how to do it!

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 7:18 am

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You should run for president and show em’ how to do it!
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I have neither the background, the money, the ego or the passion to run for president. But you’re dead certain that, in a case like this, I would have handled it better than Bush did. (So would a lot of other people.) Freezing up in the midst of a catastrophe is NOT a good behavior pattern for a leader at ANY level.

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 7:35 am

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…………”I have neither the background, the money, the ego or the passion to run for president. But you’re dead certain that, in a case like this, I would have handled it better than Bush did.”

The only thing I am “dead certain” of with you is the fact that you absolutely loathe conservatives and will take up any chance you get to deride them.

likwidlizard September 12, 2011 at 1:05 am

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FF-I wouldn’t doubt if she’s let a few conservatives just fade away when they could’ve been saved. I bet she pops in her little diagnostic questions to the patient while she waits for a DR. like ‘OH, goodness, you’re BP is 200 kinda like a conservatives. Don’t you think?’ I would’nt let this person TOUCH me if I knew who they were.

Kip Hooker September 11, 2011 at 9:26 am

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Come on guys, lets not be so hard on Oblivia. She wouldn’t have frozen up in this crises . . . not even if she was in the middle of breastfeeding blind baby seals.

poisontolibs September 12, 2011 at 12:08 pm

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Oh crap…now I have ANOTHER unwanted visual that I cannot just erase! Anyone have any suggestions on how to scrape that image from my mind? (not involving liquor or illegal drugs). A new career as a blotto alcoholic seems like a looming possibility with THAT image in my mind…

poppajoe49 September 12, 2011 at 7:01 pm

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I find watching Animal House usually gets rid of unwanted mental images.

Sidekick September 12, 2011 at 7:05 pm

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Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

poppajoe49 September 12, 2011 at 9:04 pm

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Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, Olivia.

Olivia September 13, 2011 at 4:05 am

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Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, Olivia.
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Good insight, Poopajoe. So what plan(s) are you making to change that pattern in your life?

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 4:35 am

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I don’t need to make any changes, just make sure I don’t follow your example.

sa_rose September 13, 2011 at 10:11 am

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I can’t speak to Poppajoe’s weight or alcohol consumption, but he certainly isn’t stupid. That’s your baliwick!

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 11:06 am

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Thank You Rose.

drb September 13, 2011 at 11:16 am

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What gives you the insight to think he needs to make changes? Remember we have seen both his posts as well as yours. He is far from stupid, we can’t see his body habitus, and just because we know he had a night out with the fellas, doesn’t mean he had any adult beverages when he was with them.

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 11:20 am

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Well drb, I did. I never said I was a teatotaler, but the last time I was drunk was my 40th birthday party, which was 12 years ago. So I’m not a drunk by any stretch of the imagination.
My sum total alcohol consumption consists of one beer with dinner, and the occasional (less than once a month) night out where I might have 3 beers.

drb September 13, 2011 at 11:29 am

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So what if you did. The point is, until you said differently, no one had any way of knowing except those that were with you.

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:44 pm

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Banish the thought!

idaho2run September 12, 2011 at 9:48 am

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Would have, could have, should have…all that gibberish coming from you is worth the same as your god-like leader, the one, the only, lord-god Obama, destroyer of nations! (ours) it is worth exactly zero, zip, nada!
Under the watch of the current President, we have major problem after problem, and he goes on vacation, blows the taxpayers money, stalls, hem and haws, lies through his teeth and holds himself like Mussolini, and has a temper tantrum after getting chastised by the PM of Israel for being such a worthless punk.
Neither you nor the imposter-in-chief defiling the office of the United States Presidency are fit to lead, much less to comment on what you would do. Actions talk, bullshite walks.

KimmyQueen September 11, 2011 at 11:58 am

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Oh hell no!!!!

RIM September 11, 2011 at 7:05 am

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Well, good for you that you can treat a pale, diaphoretic patient. That’s what you’re trained to do. But, how easy for you to say, in all your grand hindsight, what you think President Bush should have done. You can’t give the guy 7 damn minutes, to gather his thoughts, to not panic in front of young impressionable children, to maintain a sophisticated demeanor that is called for in his position? What did happen in reality is exactly what you and the Michael Moore’s of the world keep parroting. He excused himself and immediately sought more information and began to make decisions. Again.. just clam up and move on! You have no credibility in this discussion… NONE!

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 7:15 am

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Well, good for you that you can treat a pale, diaphoretic patient. That’s what you’re trained to do. But, how easy for you to say, in all your grand hindsight, what you think President Bush should have done. You can’t give the guy 7 damn minutes, to gather his thoughts, to not panic in front of young impressionable children, to maintain a sophisticated demeanor that is called for in his position?
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Why, no, I can’t. In a national crisis of this magnitude, seconds count, and to Hades with “maintain(ing) a sophisticated demeanor”. It would have been just as “sophisticated,” and a good deal more productive, to excuse himself and get out of there immediately.

It amuses me to no end the way you guys make excuses for this man. To hear you talk, you regard him as some sort of mascot, whose job is to look nice in public, without actually having to do any work or assume any responsibilities. It’s amusing, too, that you think it’s more important to pretend to a bunch of second graders that nothing is wrong, than to address a rapidly unfolding emergency.

Talking Tina September 11, 2011 at 8:10 am

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I know I am going to hate myself for this, but you are without a doubt a most irritating individual. Is there anything you do not know better than anyone on the planet? I support your right to voice your opinion but I have to wonder why to repeatedly respond on a site where you are so clearly universally despised. I don’t know what I would have done in Bush’s shoes and thankfully will never be in a position to find out. Excusing himself 7 minutes earlier wouldn’t have impacted any of the events that occurred.

CO2Insanity September 11, 2011 at 8:22 am

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I bet Obama wouldn’t have been able to do anything until someone wrote a speech and plugged in the teleprompter.

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 8:43 am

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UHM, UH, UH, UHM….well, UHM well kids,…..well UHM UH….UHM…damn, could someone update that teleprompter?….UHM, UH kids….I gotta go!

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 8:37 am

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Don’t hate yourself Tina – – have fun with it – Olivia is delusional and makes all kinds of really funny asinine statements every single day! She is the gift that keeps giving!

KimmyQueen September 11, 2011 at 12:02 pm

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Exactly. He couldn’t have stopped what has already has taken place. Like I said, people were already making decisions and gathering information ready for him to step in. There was nothing for him to do but to handle the outcome of the actions already started and executed. What exactly would he have done the second after hearing what happened? Take his clothes off and be on a hero onesie with a cape and fly to New York? Liberals cannot answer me what he could have done instead of gathering his thoughts and not act like punk in front of the kids and the world. He couldnt stop what happened. He had to react accordingly. Panicking or jumping out and leaving even if he politely excused himself would have caused unnecessary consternation.

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 2:18 pm

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Exactly. He couldn’t have stopped what has already has taken place. Like I said, people were already making decisions and gathering information ready for him to step in. There was nothing for him to do but to handle the outcome of the actions already started and executed. What exactly would he have done the second after hearing what happened?
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As has already been explained to you, he should have excused himself and left, not seven minutes later, not two minutes later, but IMMEDIATELY. Air Force One was waiting for him, not just to be nice, not just for convenience sake, but to get him out of harm’s way.

As long as he sat in that classroom, he was a potential target for the terrorists—-and his security staff knew it. At that point, no one knew for sure how many targets had been planned, or what was going to be attacked next.

Next time, why don’t you read the liberal’s answer to your question, before repeating it and complaining that no one’s answering you?

(P.S. I loved the part about “unnecessary consternation.” When the nation is under attack, I’d say that a little “consternation” is in order! Apparently you don’t have much faith in second graders, if you think they couldn’t handle the emotional shock of the president politely excusing himself and leaving.)

KimmyQueen September 11, 2011 at 2:40 pm

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You are a waste of time. I am sure that reading your crap continually is the same as getting an electric shock. I am staying the heck away from you. Unlike you, I use my brain.

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:48 pm

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Olivia you are an idiot. Just admit it and go on your way. The President did the right thing, and no whining on your part will ever change that. Michael Moore at least makes some money off of his stupidity. You can’t even do that!

RIM September 11, 2011 at 9:47 am

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He DID address a rapidly unfolding emergency as did many of his the highly trained and dedicated subordinates. For some reason you cling to the ridiculous idea that he was supposed to just bolt and somehow do something more than he did. For heaven’s sake, I read where congress roamed around in chambers glassy-eyed for a freekin’ half hour! To hades with maintaining a sophisticated demeanor? In exchange for what? Should he have said “What did you say? OMG!” out loud and freak out all these kids and their teacher. What he did was to gather his thoughts, giving his staff time to gather more intel, excuse himself and start assessing and making decisions. Olivia, you are transparently like many conservative hating, socialistic, liberal idiots that I have the misfortune of knowing. You just hate anything Bush. Bush was by no means flawless, as is the case with any President, but he DID respond with, compassion, determination, leadership and all with the good Grace and Guidance of a righteous God.

Babydoll102187 September 11, 2011 at 10:09 am

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But he gathered his Grace and Guidance from the Chirstian God so that makes him evil……

(Remember your talking to a loony liberal)

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 10:25 am

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But he gathered his Grace and Guidance from the Chirstian God so that makes him evil……

(Remember your talking to a loony liberal)
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Sounds like somebody is playing old right wing tapes in her head, instead of paying attention to what’s actually being said here. Nowhere have I stated or implied that Bush was or is “evil.”

As for your sanctimonious reference to God, don’t go blaming Bush’s inertia on Him. Bush was getting paid to lead this nation—and that means ACTING in times of emergency, not sitting piously in a chair pretending to have divine visions.

RockingHorseGuy September 11, 2011 at 10:45 am

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And while Obama stumbles about waiting for the teleprompter to be updated, Joe Biden would be taking temporary command. NOW I’m scared.

Babydoll102187 September 11, 2011 at 10:50 am

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As you should be, Biden is off his rocker! :) Heehee

likwidlizard September 12, 2011 at 1:17 am

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Yeah, Bush didn’t receive the gift of royalty like the pathological lieing pioused socialistic wannabe dictator we got running the country now. His majesty now would’ve gotten whiter than Michael Jackson if he were told we were under attack.

Olivia September 12, 2011 at 2:54 am

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Yeah, Bush didn’t receive the gift of royalty like the pathological lieing pioused socialistic wannabe dictator we got running the country now. His majesty now would’ve gotten whiter than Michael Jackson if he were told we were under attack.
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Thank you for reminding me of one more idiotic and illogical reaction to my (perfectly logical) point: the “But but but but I hate Obama, I’ll believe any malicious rumor about him, no matter how ridiculous, and I’d be willing to bet he’d have done something worse!” deflection.

You’re not exactly covering yourself with glory here. And, like it or not, you’re doing absolutely nothing to make Bush look good, either.

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 2:29 pm

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He DID address a rapidly unfolding emergency as did many of his the highly trained and dedicated subordinates. For some reason you cling to the ridiculous idea that he was supposed to just bolt and somehow do something more than he did. For heaven’s sake, I read where congress roamed around in chambers glassy-eyed for a freekin’ half hour! To hades with maintaining a sophisticated demeanor? In exchange for what? Should he have said “What did you say? OMG!” out loud and freak out all these kids and their teacher. What he did was to gather his thoughts, giving his staff time to gather more intel, excuse himself and start assessing and making decisions.
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This is hysterical (figuratively and otherwise). You righties are SOOOO determined to excuse Bush’s ineptness that you can’t see straight.

First. I’ve stated, several separate and distinct times, that he could simply have said, “Excuse me, Mrs. (whatever the teacher’s name was)? I’m going to have to leave a little early. Thank you very much, class, and keep up the good work!”

In no way would that have “freaked out” the class. In no way would that have made him look “unsophisticated.” In no way would that have caused undue “consternation.” No doubt the class would just have assumed (correctly) that something came up. Second graders are old enough to understand that the president is an important person, and sometimes has to cancel plans, or cut visits short.

Second, HE NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THERE AND ON TO AIR FORCE ONE. Are you so determined to deny any fault on his part that you would have wanted to see his life risked? If you think 9/11 was bad, imagine how much worse it would have been if the president had been assassinated, along with all the other destruction. We didn’t know that his life WASN’T in imminent danger. If you recall, we spent several VERY uneasy days, worrying about what (or who) was going to be attacked next.

Third, Bush was IN COMMAND. I’m sorry, but true leaders don’t sit like bumps on a log during a national crisis, assuming that their staff is handling it just fine without them. If that were the case, why, then, there’d be no need for a president at all, would there?

My goodness, I’ve never seen so much scrambling around for lame excuses in my life. Would it REALLY kill you to admit that perhaps Bush wasn’t quite as pro-active as he should have been on this very serious occasion?

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:52 pm

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Would it kill you to recognize that perhaps getting the facts before jumping to a stupid conclusion/action would be the appropriate action for him to take? Intel was being gathered. He was not in imminent danger, and the secret service was moving up his schedule to get him airborne and keep him out of Washington. They train for this eventuallity every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Everything was well in hand!

Olivia September 12, 2011 at 2:58 am

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Would it kill you to recognize that perhaps getting the facts before jumping to a stupid conclusion/action would be the appropriate action for him to take?
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Don’t you think there’s a more efficient way of gathering facts than sitting like a bump on a long on a chair in a kids’ classroom, waiting for the facts to come to you? Like, say, getting on Air Force One?

In what way would it be “jumping to a stupid conclusion” to assume that, when a Secret Service man says, “Mr. President, the nation is under attack,” it means…..that the nation is under attack, and that he needs to cut his visit short?

sa_rose September 12, 2011 at 11:32 am

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I doubt the Secret Service said anything of the sort. THey probably told him planes had been flown into the Towers, and that it appeared to be intentional. That they were further intel gathering and that they would probably cut the remainder of his scheduled appearances that day, get him on Air Force One, and go from there. He doesn’t wear one of those nifty ear phone thingys, so he only knew what he was told. Which at that point was not much. Remeber when the first airplane hit, many thought it was an accident!

idaho2run September 12, 2011 at 10:00 am

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Well said!!! I saw the attacks unfold on TV that day while at work. I was in the National Guard at that time, called my unit, and was put on alert, along with almost everyone else in the Services. Shortly after I was called up for active duty.
I also saw President Bush’s responses, both to the Nation, his staff and the other branches of government.
From the days that followed, I saw determination, righteous anger, tears of frustration and pain for the loss of life here in the U.S. coming from a truly caring and dedicated leader.
Agreed, he had his flaws, but he was the right man for the job on that terrible day, and for what followed after.
He was able to think for himself, make tough decisions, and suffer the criticizms and second-guessing shortly after by those lesser than he.
He darn sure was not off goofing off, kissing up to tyrants and dictators, stabbing our allies in the back, and waiting to get permission from the U.N. to do something, like the clown in office is in the habit of doing.
olivia the clueless has a bad case of Bush derangement syndrome.
Since she or it (never know about the transgender thing these days) allegedly works in the medical profession, she could get a discount and quick treatment for head up arse HUA syndrome while she is at it.

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:43 pm

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The President is not in the habit of treating suspected coronary patients. The actions he needed to do were to wait for more intel, follow the secret service instructions to get him to safety and deal with the problem at that time. There was absolutely nothing he could do at that moment. I am sure your precious Obama would be running around like Chicken Little, telling us how this incident had just become his primary focus.

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 10:03 pm

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The President is not in the habit of treating suspected coronary patients. The actions he needed to do were to wait for more intel, follow the secret service instructions to get him to safety and deal with the problem at that time.
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Apparently the Secret Service didn’t agree with your assessment, since they had to remind him twice that it was time to leave.

Did it occur to you that, if he had decided to ‘wait for more intel,” the place to wait for it was on Air Force One, and not in the back of a second grade classroom while school was in session?

Keep on struggling…..the more you try to dream up excuses for him, the more ludicrous this gets…….

sa_rose September 12, 2011 at 11:38 am

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He would not have gone to Air Force One until it was refueled, and ready to fly. You are such an idiot! So he gets up,. freaks everyone out by interrupting whatever was going on, and leaves the room. Now what? The Secret Service is not going to let him leave the building until they can transport directly to Air Force One, probably already running on the tarmac. They are still trying to figure out what the hell just happened. What is Bush supposed to have done at that point? 10 minutes in this case, made no difference. Had he been in the White House, they would have bundled him into the bunker until they could remove him from the scene. There was nothing else he could have done at that time! You just want to complain on general principles. If he had stood up on the spot and left the room, while declaring war on whomever, you would have had a problem with that too. It is easy to have 20/20 hindsight. But no one since FDR had dealt with something like this. I thing he did as good a job as anyone could have under the same circumstance.

likwidlizard September 12, 2011 at 1:24 am

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You’re right..The present dictator-in-chief would’ve been asking for a fresh change of drawers and socks. I’m probably wrong..He would’ve spewed everywhere and on everybody.

RockingHorseGuy September 12, 2011 at 7:56 am

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Right after he made an official statement. “Whatever has just happened is a terrible tragedy, and I am going to make it my top priority. And it’s George Bush’s fault.”

PsychoDad September 11, 2011 at 8:54 am

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Poor Livvy! Something that praises George Bush! I think she’s having a full-fledged panic attack.

Honey, you go and sound off all you like. We don’t mind. We know you are just one small, small-minded, myopic bedpan wiper, but that the razor-keen hindsight of history will ultimately vindicate him, and remember President George W. Bush as one of our greatest presidents,along with George Washington and Ronald Reagan.

PsychoDad September 11, 2011 at 8:58 am

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PS – We’ve all seen President George W. Bush’s school transcripts and his birth certificate, too!

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 10:58 am

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PS – We’ve all seen President George W. Bush’s school transcripts and his birth certificate, too!
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School transcripts are not a prerequisite for the presidency, but being able to take prompt initiative under pressure is.

And the birth certificate non-issue is just another ploy to keep gullible far righters distracted.

(It certainly worked like a charm on you, didn’t it?)

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:54 pm

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So name ONE time Obama took prompt (much less immediate) action under pressure?

idaho2run September 12, 2011 at 10:03 am

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Only liars hide things like that.
But being a qualified U.S. citizen is a requirement, genius.
And you compare Pres. Bush to obama hussein in the realm of being able to take prompt action !?!
Wow. Kids, this is why you should not do crack!!!

likwidlizard September 12, 2011 at 1:26 am

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Yes, “W” NEVER had anything to HIDE. Umhum.

CO2Insanity September 11, 2011 at 8:59 am

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This should do her in (I hope). GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 10:29 am

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Keep it up, C02. You’re serving only to give the lie to the currently popular right wing claim that they didn’t actually support Bush all that much.

In fact, I’ve never seen such a mad scramble to discredit criticism of anyone. You guys act like a mob of frenzied Elvis fans, not self-professed “libertarians” and “independents.” :D

Babydoll102187 September 11, 2011 at 10:48 am

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CO2Insanity has his own blog which he post from everyday. He has lots of articles and sources, and is above and beyond credible in my opinion. Far better than anyone who occupies any MSM outlet. Take a tour and find out for yourself.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/credible

Definition of CREDIBLE
1: offering reasonable grounds for being believed
2: of sufficient capability to be militarily effective

— cred·i·bly \ˈkre-də-blē\ adverb
See credible defined for English-language learners »
See credible defined for kids »
Examples of CREDIBLE
We’ve received credible information about the group’s location.
She does a credible job of playing the famous singer.

Babydoll102187 September 11, 2011 at 9:26 am

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Well said!

Olivia September 12, 2011 at 3:07 am

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Honey, you go and sound off all you like. We don’t mind. We know you are just one small, small-minded, myopic bedpan wiper, but that the razor-keen hindsight of history will ultimately vindicate him, and remember President George W. Bush as one of our greatest presidents,along with George Washington and Ronald Reagan.
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Odd, then, that he was so unpopular with his own party, to the extent that his name wasn’t even mentioned at the 2008 RNC convention.

Odd, too, that he left the nation’s economy and national reputation in such a shambles when he left office.

Odd, too, that most of the posters defending him so ferociously here are the very ones who have boasted that they never really considered him to be worthy of the holy name of “conservative.”

Great presidents aren’t usually defended that ferociously. Even their greatest admirers can afford to admit that they have (or had) their faults. But, interestingly, Bush’s followers go into frenzied attack mode whenever anyone even hints that he has faults, or has made mistakes. They actually act more like fond mommies—the kind who can’t ever admit that their kid misbehaves—-than honest citizens.

poppajoe49 September 12, 2011 at 4:53 am

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I want to thank everyone for cleaning up this thread, I was unable to get here before now.
I did manage to get turds on this post though!

sa_rose September 12, 2011 at 11:47 am

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So if people state that Bush was NOT the perfect President (and who is?) they are wrong. And if they claim he is the greatest President ever, They are wrong (despite the Left saying the same thing about THEIR person.) Can’t win for losing, right? No one is perfect. People can disagree with parts of a President’s actions, without assuming he is completely unable to function. And in 2008, he was a lame duck President who BY LAW could not be re-elected. WHy would they have discussed him at the Nominations? And the crashes in the Market were a long time coming. He was not responsible for the change in legislation and regulation that allowed this entire situation to develop. Clinton was President for that. But even Clinton was not totally responsible. There is an abundance of legitimate blame to pass around to members of all parties in that regard.

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 9:01 am

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I’ll second that! GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH

Notsosilent September 11, 2011 at 9:06 am

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Olivia:

Poor self image
poor self worth
delusional-Can not believe people have a differing viewpoint than hers.
believes to be enlightened
Is not always right but is never wrong
Ignorant of fact
Believes it is her duty to convert people on this particular website to her version of facts and events
Has a fetish for IHTM-Read hatred borderinging on anger
no real point just cut and paste
Serious personality problems
Controlling/manipulative
disruptive
bully
she is defending a losing political movement and is becoming desperate

Better to keep ones mouth shut if your a fool, then open your mouth and remove all doubt.

If ignored will explode and disappear…:)

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 9:09 am

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Oh no! Only Olivia is allowed to diagnose in cyberspace!

Notsosilent September 11, 2011 at 9:33 am

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Actually went to school to profile criminals, but it works well with anyone who has issues. Olivia has issues, serious issues, anyone who spends this much time on one website has either no home life, or is afraid to state publicly what she states here, because in the blogosphere you are anything you can pretend to be. Probably the poor girls only bright spot every day.

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 10:26 am

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Hey – I thought your assessment of the “gift that keeps giving” was spot on – the “person” she displays on-line is probably the person she wishes she was – perhaps someone in her family or circle of humans…sometimes I feel real bad for her as there is no way someone could be this delusional – she gets spanked quite regularly and continues to come back. I am no expert in this area, but I did write up a dissertation which I never posted that pretty much laid out the same scenario.

I’ve always felt that she must be abused in some manner in her real life….maybe mentally/verbally and needs this outlet to affirm her existence and validity in this world.

I know that according to Olivia’s Rules I am not allowed to diagnose over cyberspace….just sayin”.

LA Sunset September 12, 2011 at 6:44 am

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Not so silent,

Based on my background and reading her prose, I think you pretty much pegged her.

But what do I know? I am one of the few people in the world that will openly admit to voting for Carter.

(I also clicked on the wrong reply button, so it looks like I am replying to Fred…..so there you have it.)

Notsosilent September 12, 2011 at 8:10 am

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It seems a lot of people thought I nailed it. It’s not rocket science, just a basic understanding of people and behavior. believe it or not people with personality disorders pretty much behave and act the same way. It’s funny, when I read post from other bloggers like you, I get the sense most of them, in fact the majority are the kind of people who call bullshit when they see it, and are not afraid to speak their mind no matter who challenges them. A pretty patriotic bunch of pretty straight forward folks. A lot of them are way smarter than me and are amazing to read because they are so knowledgeable about almost any subject, and it’s not cut and paste crap like our friend, but facts. The best part is you find out there are lots of everyday folks out there who see behind the curtain in OZ and know the bullshit that’s going on. And some of them are so damn funny I have more than once spit out my coffee. It’s a pleasure to be here. And don’t worry about the Carter thing, I was in college in Minnesota at the time, My Landlady was a big Carter supporter, I wasn’t even going to vote cause politics didn’t interest me at that time, but she took me to the polls, registered me and I voted for that idiot too. That was when I woke up and went, Hey WTF is going on in this country? So I guess in an odd way, that little old lady created a conservative for life..:)

poppajoe49 September 12, 2011 at 6:45 pm

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I didn’t vote for Carter, but would have if I had been a year older, I was 17 during that election.
Then I woke up and voted Reagan in ’80.

FormerlyDeanH September 13, 2011 at 7:49 am

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I voted for Jimmah at the all knowing age of 19. Quickly realizing the error of my ways I voted him out 4 years later.

poisontolibs September 13, 2011 at 2:22 pm

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Heh…I voted for Nixon…twice…

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 10:30 am

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Actually went to school to profile criminals,
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Really? How far did you get in your professional studies? Tenth grade? @@

Babydoll102187 September 11, 2011 at 10:39 am

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More spite……

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 10:41 am

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Really got him there! How deep, such an astoundingly in-depth assessment….are there no bounds to your smartness?

drb September 11, 2011 at 12:10 pm

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Farther than you did with your Russian studies.

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:56 pm

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SNAAAP!

Babydoll102187 September 12, 2011 at 7:00 pm

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Your gravatar look like its Mr. Brady. Is it? :)

sa_rose September 12, 2011 at 8:32 pm

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Looks Like Jethro form the Beverly Hillbillies!

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 4:50 am

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That’s who it is Rose.
I think he’s “cypherin’”.

fredfred September 13, 2011 at 4:57 am

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You be needin’ the pert near time or the real time, Uncle Jed?

Babydoll102187 September 13, 2011 at 5:34 am

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Ah, I see it now! Thank you, I wasnt sure….Its been a loooong time since I’ve caught a Beverly Hillbillies rerun. The hair and tan reminded me of the Brady’s. :)

RockingHorseGuy September 13, 2011 at 8:06 am

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Doin’ his gozintas?

mgap September 11, 2011 at 9:43 am

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Hehe, nothing brings stupid people out from under their bridges like a story giving W a thumbs up. 8 years of being told by CNNMSNBC;ETAL that “W bad” will trigger a Pavlovian response for the rest of their miserable inbred lives. Mention Bush to one of these hillbillies and the ingrained talking points like Katrina, debt, fault, stupid, Texas, racist, election stealer come tumbling out in an irrelevant gush of enthusiasm. I was discussing Perry entering the race a few weeks ago with a liberal co-worker. We went straight from Perry to “you want another 8 years of Bush?” I replied “yes.” End of discussion/I walked away because you can’t debate a moron who can’t tell the difference between apples and hand grenades. He spun himself into the ground like a two year old throwing a fit for being denied candy.

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 10:52 am

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I was discussing Perry entering the race a few weeks ago with a liberal co-worker. We went straight from Perry to “you want another 8 years of Bush?” I replied “yes.”
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You’re kidding, right? You want more wars, deeper deficits, more government spending, a deeper recession and a worse international reputation than the one we had during Bush’s last year in office? :D

This is so comical. 99% of the time, you righties insist that you didn’t really actually support Bush’s spending (and some claim they didn’t even vote for him in ’04)—then, when anyone so much as whispers a hint of criticism, you rise up in attack mode, as if someone’s just attacked the honor of the Holy Trinity.

Make up your minds, will you? Was Bush the “RINO” whose reckless spending disqualified him as a true conservative, or was he an American superhero, as so many of you are insinuating here today? YOu can’t have it both ways. :D

mgap September 11, 2011 at 12:28 pm

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Another irrelevant gush of enthusiasm from the truly ignorant. Where did I defend or even say Bush did a good job? By answering yes to my co-worker, I was telling him to go f**k himself since he was not able to stay on topic, which was Rick Perry, not W Bush. So, in order to remain consistent in my treatment to people who refuse to even read or comprehend my post or topic, Olivia, feel free to go f**k yourself.

AZ Dude September 11, 2011 at 12:38 pm

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“You want more wars, deeper deficits, more government spending, a deeper recession and a worse international reputation than the one we had during Bush’s last year in office?”
Isn’t that what we have now with our current president? Why, yes–he’s gotten us into more wars, has run up more in deficit in 2+ years than his predecessor did in 8 years, has given us no results from any of his “fiscal” or “economic” policies and has Europe, Russia, Asia, and the African continent looking at us and saying “huh?” Don’t get me started on his bowing to kings and other heads of state.
So, yes, I’d gladly take Rick Perry (or any other Republican currently seeking the nomination–and that includes Ron Paul!) over our current disaster in the White House. At least they have a clue.

sa_rose September 11, 2011 at 9:58 pm

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Not Rick perry, trust me!

Babydoll102187 September 12, 2011 at 1:23 pm

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Yet if it comes down to Perry or Obama…I am sorry, I must vote Perry. If for no other reason than to out Obama. I am still hoping for Cain tho. Miracles happen :)

poppajoe49 September 12, 2011 at 9:46 pm

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I really want Cain!

drb September 12, 2011 at 9:53 pm

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what are you doing up and posting at this G-d awful hour of the night?

sa_rose September 13, 2011 at 12:21 am

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 4:33 am

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Are you now Olivia in training?
BWAHAHAHA!!

drb September 13, 2011 at 11:25 am

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No, it’s like this…I’m on call this week…was called in for an emergency proceedure…just got home and because of a pulled intercostal muslce couldn’t sleep. Just happend to see you had posted that minutes before I read it. I know we are in the same time zone amd that the time stamp is 4 hours off for us. I just notice the silliest things sometimes.

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 7:43 pm

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LOL, just teasing you.

Progressive Hemrrhoid September 11, 2011 at 10:15 am

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Had it been Obummer in the oval office that day, right after he ran to the bunker and changed his underwear, the only response from the White House would have been to form another committee, and appoint another tzar to study the problem.

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 10:38 am

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Had it been Obummer in the oval office that day, right after he ran to the bunker and changed his underwear, the only response from the White House would have been to form another committee, and appoint another tzar to study the problem.
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Heaven help us, it’s yet ANOTHER Rush parrot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it’s trendy to deny that you ever listen to him, but Rush is the one who planted the notion in his fans’ brains that “czars” (not “tzars”) were a creation of the Obama administration.

I guess you didn’t realize that these unelected advisors (yes! Russian nickname and all!) originated with St. Ronnie, and that Bush had even more of them than Obama has currently. http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Czars.pdf
No, let’s rag on about Obama, to avoid having to admit that you’ve run out of ideas to defend Bush’s lack of initiative 10 years ago.

Would that Bush had consulted with one of HIS czars on that fateful day, instead of sitting there like a bump on a log. Maybe it would have gotten him to hustle a little more quickly.

FormerlyDeanH September 11, 2011 at 10:40 am

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Piss off.

fredfred September 11, 2011 at 10:46 am

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Apparently the “gift that keeps giving” listens to Rush every day as she can quote him on the fly!

Progressive Hemrrhoid September 11, 2011 at 11:15 am

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Unlike your sorry fat liberal ass I remember that day and didn’t hide under the bed. I saw people dying live on TV, and knew that it was your Islamic friends who were behind it. Tzar is the proper Russian spelling for what your “Dear Leader” the Socialist In Chief has appointed without congressional authority.
Kindly go outside and play hide and go fuck yourself, fucking pock-faced sow.

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 2:49 pm

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Unlike your sorry fat liberal ass I remember that day and didn’t hide under the bed. I saw people dying live on TV, and knew that it was your Islamic friends who were behind it. Tzar is the proper Russian spelling for what your “Dear Leader” the Socialist In Chief has appointed without congressional authority.
Kindly go outside and play hide and go f*ck yourself, f*cking pock-faced sow.
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Not impressed, Hemorrhoid. If you’re going to argue politics with me, I sort of expect to see some facts and logic in your responses. Any angry adolescent can scream juvenile insults, as you do, and fling tired old accusations about socialists and “Islamic friends.” But it takes a bit more finesse (and intelligence) to stick to the issue, and explain why you think your viewpoint makes sense, and is more consistent with the facts.

(Pssst: “Proper Russian spelling” would be in the Cyrillic alphabet. But it was during the Reagan administration that the word “czar” —–spelled in that way—was first used in reference to these presidential appointees.)

Now, stop acting like a screeching idiot, and go wash your mouth out with soap. Do none of you far righters have any self control?

Babydoll102187 September 11, 2011 at 2:32 pm

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I dont think you are capable of fully grasping this day, allow me to share:

It was and is because of this ONE DAY that almost 5 million have enlisted to serve in our military today to date. All knowing they face danger and harm, but going forth anyway, to meet the enemy head on.

It was this day that a boy of 14 knew he would enlist as soon as he turned 18. It is because of this day many young boys are now Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Sailors. This one day has shaped the lives and futures of all their families then, now and tomorrow.

Every single soldier, who your side claim to care about so much, willing signed the dotted line to go and meet these evil men knowing they may never return. They sign the line to give their lives for this country, their homes. To them it is simply duty. Your liberal side would call their enemies friends, and demoralize the soldiers by such comments and remarks watering down the Islamic Jihadist. We simply dont understand, or are too bigoted in our belief about them. The left you have done so well to defend here is soooo good at demoralizing soldiers and demonizing them and parading about the glories of the religion of peace. Today is a reminder of what the religion of peace is and why and how it will act against any and all enemies. You are the enemy to these Islamic Jihadist aswell Olivia. We all are.

I see no fault in President Bush, I never will. I dont care about the economy he “ruined”. It was ruined anyway, before President Bush, and certainly after him. I care about defense, and President Bush was the man who lead us through those months and years. I know you dont agree with him. I know you think I am unintelligent and a nitwit Christian. But my family makes sacrifices every day because of this day 10 years ago, because my husband was 14, and when turned 18 four years later enlisted. Four years later, to go to fight a war that was no longer popular, but nevertheless, needed. Take the fight to them rather than seeing any more towers burn, even the Sears Tower.

This is the defining moment in my generation, this day defines us because we are growing up out of its ashes. What day so defines your generation?

And just for fun, My husband has been called a “baby killer” by a misguided collage aged youth.

I am proud to call him my husband, he is my hero. Forget about Superman or Batman. I married the real deal Super Hero.
-Well thats my rant for a while.

CO2Insanity September 11, 2011 at 2:46 pm

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Oblivia is just a sick, shit-disturbing troll. No matter what Bush had done, in her world it would have been wrong. If he’d jumped up and ran out the door, she’d say he reacted too fast or overreacted. Too slow, too fast, it really doesn’t matter to her. No matter what Bush, the Republicans, the conservatives or the Tea Party does, she’ll bitch about it.

What’s amazingly funny is if the libtards do the same thing or have the same reaction then it’s wonderful. If this had happened to Obama and he sat on his ass for awhile before getting up she’d be falling all over herself to excuse it.

Basically she’s a phony. This is my last post about or to the toll. I’m not going to feed her dumb ass anymore and I urge all of you to stop all communication to her or about her. If you don’t feed the troll she’ll get hungry and go bug someone else.

Elrond Hubbard September 11, 2011 at 3:20 pm

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I second that C02, responding to Olvia with her irrational hatreds, petty lies and sick Obama worship is a waste of evryone’s time. Let her scream in the dark.

whiskeyriver September 13, 2011 at 8:25 am

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“What’s amazingly funny is if the libtards do the same thing or have the same reaction then it’s wonderful. If this had happened to Obama and he sat on his ass for awhile before getting up she’d be falling all over herself to excuse it.”

The problem is if 9/11 had happened on the Obummers watch someone would have to find out which golf course he was on to let him know what was going on.

sa_rose September 13, 2011 at 10:15 am

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Or what country he was vacationing in.

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 10:06 pm

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I see no fault in President Bush, I never will. I dont care about the economy he “ruined”.
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And that’s your problem in a nutshell, and why it’s impossible to take your viewpoints seriously on this issue.

idaho2run September 12, 2011 at 10:17 am

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God Bless You and Your Family.
Very well spoken. I have been in the Service for a long time now, and have done my part several times overseas because of what happened on the 11th. Lost some friends along the way, too.
I have many younger service members working with me and for me that joined because of that day, as well as a desire to serve and protect their country, their people and friends and family.
You truly get it, and make honest, good Americans proud. You are a shining example for others. Don’t let pathetic loser malcontents like olivia bother you. She is irrelevant and means nothing in the big scheme of things.
Best to you and yours, and I pray for a quick and safe return for your friends and family. Take care.

Babydoll102187 September 12, 2011 at 12:34 pm

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Thank you for your kind words, Idaho2run. My deepest Thank You for your years of service to our country! I pray for your safety and that of your family aswell.

With reguards to Olivia, her response to me was classic Olivia. I have never known, at least that I have been aware, of anyone who willingly blinds themselves and refuses to hear any other view to the extent which she has done here throughout this board. It has always been my position to believe that people may not always know the whole story, so I try to inform where I see need. I try not to get too involved, or to think I “know it all”. But when I do know something I share with the group. When I dont know, I listen( or read ) what other posters have said and I learn more. Since she is a person I expected she would want to do the same. After all, isnt humanity constantly searching and yearning to learn more? Not so with her. I am afraid that the ranks of bull headed blindness, a self restricted willingness to know nothing contrary, is growing. That is cause for us all to take notice and remain constantly vigilant against.

idaho2run September 13, 2011 at 12:59 pm

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Thank you again. I am sad and happy today. A fallen Idaho soldier was just brought home about an hour ago, went to the Reception Ceremony for Fallen Soldier and just got back. It was well-attended, very respectful and moving.
Another small group of Idaho soldiers are returning today, as the 116th BCT trickles back from a year long deployment.
I cannot say enough kind words to those who sacrifice and support those who fight for freedom and their country.
Keep the high ground and ignore trolls.
There are actually more good people out there than we all think.

whiskeyriver September 13, 2011 at 2:06 pm

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Another brother gone, another will take his place. Unfortunately that is the way things are since the beginning of time. If you can, please let the family know all us veterans will keep them, and their fallen one, in our prayers.

whiskeyriver September 13, 2011 at 8:20 am

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This old veteran thanks you for picking up the banner and carrying on. I know all too well how hard it is to leave your family to fight in some God forsaken place, it is not easy and silly-willies like Ollie do not have a clue.

Carry on brother, teach and take care of those under your command, continue to make us proud, then get your ass home so we can sit and drink a beer together.

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 10:46 am

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Because of my age, I didn’t make it to Vietnam, but did volunteer at 22 years old. It was during the first term of the Reagan Presidency, and everyone told me I was nuts, that we would be in a nuclear war with him in the WH. They were all wrong, and I didn’t care.
I remember going to the Airmens Club on base every Friday night to hear a band playing, and at the end of the night the DJ would play Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless the USA”. It brought cheers from the crowd, and a tear to my eye.

whiskeyriver September 13, 2011 at 1:58 pm

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Aw crap, you are a “flyboy”? What good are you then?

Just bullshitting you buddy, if we vets didn’t pick at each other where would all the fun in life come from!

poisontolibs September 13, 2011 at 2:36 pm

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I’m even worse…I never served. I have a congenital heart defect (a prolapsed mitral valve), not a big deal, but enough to prevent me enlisting at 18. I did get to serve in a different capacity as a civilian contractor at LSA Anaconda (and a few other places like Camp Courage outside Mosul) in Iraq working for JSOC…two years in theater (2004 to 2006) as an OLD man (59 when I started and 61 when I came home).

idaho2run September 13, 2011 at 1:02 pm

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Thank you friend! As I am on the clock at work, I will be brief and refer you to the above reply I posted to Babydoll.
As for the brew idea I love it.
Now if I can sell my household Six on the idea, I will be golden! Just kidding honey!(I wear the pants, when she lets me)
Go America!

whiskeyriver September 13, 2011 at 8:47 am

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You just keep ranting on girl. Many of us who fought in Vietnam were not met just by family but protesters who called us baby killers too. The fools then, just like the fools now, never looked at the good we tried to do for the poor people caught in the middle of all the political crap and the wars that come from it.

The next time you talk to your husband tell him I, and all veterans, are damn proud of the job he and all our soldiers are doing. There are hundreds of thousands of us veterans out here that know what it is like to be fighting an endless war because of political bullshit and we have nothing but respect for all of them.

sa_rose September 13, 2011 at 10:16 am

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AMEN!

Babydoll102187 September 13, 2011 at 11:35 am

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Thank you Whiskeyriver, when I do get to talk to him I will tell him :)

My deepest gratitude for your struggles that were before us. Had it not been for your sacrifices, we would not have the chance to keep up the good fight today. Thank you, Sir. Thank you.

whiskeyriver September 13, 2011 at 1:50 pm

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You call me “sir” again and I’ll have to swat you like I would an unruly child. I earned my living and am proud of it.

JUST KIDDING!! Talk to your hubby and he can explain what I just said. Thanks for the kind words and no problem. I was proud to do my duty then and would still be serving now if I were not so damn old.

Babydoll102187 September 13, 2011 at 7:23 pm

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LOL! I’ll keep that in mind :)

CO2Insanity September 13, 2011 at 7:28 pm

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You have the libtard media to thank for your non-welcome home. They were just as bad then.

Notsosilent September 11, 2011 at 6:05 pm

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I see Olivia is still batting zero. Funny after my post her rants have been almost textbook responses to a challenge to her “authority” on any subject. I think I hit the nail right on the head with this one, She has issues, and will scream and rant and rave when she is attacked. When you have nothing to stand on, and your unsure of your own beliefs, attacking the person who questions your thoughts is the only logical step to take, for a wise person would strive to see the other persons side. The childish and immature will attack because they can and will not debate in a fair and honest manor. Its like worshiping a rock star, no matter how many bimbos they mow down, or how many drugs they take, there are those that can not see what they really are. Olivia is an Obamaholic. Probably some white guilt mixed in there because of the strange thought process she has. Ignore and give her a thumbs down, when you don’t react to stupidity, stupidity seeks another target.

Notsosilent September 11, 2011 at 9:32 pm

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Ah see now Olivia is pouting, The “thumbs down is coming out”….

Olivia September 11, 2011 at 10:26 pm

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I think I hit the nail right on the head with this one, She has issues, and will scream and rant and rave when she is attacked.
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Wrong again. It’s your right wing buddies who have repeatedly gotten emotional, and tried to argue that Bush’s role in this crisis was to sit in a second grade classroom chair for minutes on end, wearing a deer-in-the-headlights expression while his Secret Servicemen tried in vain to get him out of that seat and onto Air Force One.

You know, there are all kinds of arguments you might have made to mitigate his poor response here, at least a little bit. You could have argued that he was in shock; that he was still quite a new Chief Executive; that perhaps he hadn’t heard the message correctly. You might even have argued, “What does it matter now? The point is that he got out safely, and no doubt learned the hard way how to handle such crises in the future.” But you didn’t. Instead, every last one of you went into an emotional defense-and-attack mode. You responded with

___tantrums and personal attacks
___melodramatic (and irrelevant) rambling sermons about the meaning of 9/11
___how you imagine Obama would have handled it (which is grounded more in wishful thinking than any sort of reality)
___rationalizing that what Bush did in response to the attack wasn’t really important, since there were a lot of well trained aides to handle it for him, anyway (now, that REALLY shows confidence in his leadership skills……) @@
___arguing that the only possible alternative to doing nothing would have been screaming and jumping out of a window
___insisting that, at that moment, it was more pressing to pretend that nothing was wrong than to quietly leave
___dragging in silly and irrelevant nonsense about Obama’s alleged “rock star” status (another Rush talking point), my alleged “white guilt” (yeah, that’s the ONLY reason anyone might possibly question Bush’s strange inertia in that classroom) @@

(And then you wonder why fewer and fewer Americans are taking the far right seriously these days……)

Progressive Hemrrhoid September 12, 2011 at 1:53 am

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Saul Alinsky would be so proud of you. Nothing more then a parrot, screeching the same tired government sponsored propaganda. How much do you want to bet, our tax dollars are paying for this disservice?
Does Polly want a cracker????

Olivia September 12, 2011 at 2:33 am

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Saul Alinsky would be so proud of you. Nothing more then a parrot, screeching the same tired government sponsored propaganda. How much do you want to bet, our tax dollars are paying for this disservice?
Does Polly want a cracker????
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My boy, you do realize, don’t you, that that tired old “right out of the Saul Alinsky playbook” line is one of Rush Limbaugh’s very favorite putdowns?

WHO’S the parrot here? ;)

Progressive Hemrrhoid September 12, 2011 at 3:59 am

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Truth hurt there douche bag? You’re a waste of perfectly good oxygen. Can’t wait till the welfare checks stop coming, then I can enjoy watching parasites like you riot. From what I’ve seen, you don’t even have a job, and spend all day on here spewing utter bullshit.

sa_rose September 12, 2011 at 11:52 am

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Oh she isn’t on Welfare. She is liviing off her spouse.

drb September 12, 2011 at 12:24 pm

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…alledged spouse

KimmyQueen September 12, 2011 at 1:10 pm

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I thought she was a feminist?

RockingHorseGuy September 13, 2011 at 8:08 am

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Maybe not a feminazi, just a regular Nazi.

MDLION September 11, 2011 at 10:56 pm

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Bush is criticized for a few minutes but how many days did Obama let the people of Iran twist in the wind as an election was stolen from them? And then he finally made a tepid statement. The Republicans got all over him and he finally toughened it up. He’s no quick decisive leader and even most liberals know it at this point. At least Bush could speak to school children without a teleprompter. On September 14, 2010, Obama spoke to school children in Philadelphia using a teleprompter.

likwidlizard September 12, 2011 at 1:51 am

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WOW. I’ve heard rumors that “O” has a telepromptor mounted above their bed so he will know what sexy language and tone to use during XXX. I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to make you sick to your stomach.

Olivia September 12, 2011 at 2:35 am

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WOW. I’ve heard rumors that “O” has a telepromptor mounted above their bed so he will know what sexy language and tone to use during XXX.
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That particular deflection (including the “Obama is addicted to teleprompters” nonsense, which originated with—-who else?—-Rush Limbaugh) has been done to death, too.

Why don’t you guys just go around with neon signs attached your foreheads, stating, “Incapable of original thought”?

RockingHorseGuy September 12, 2011 at 8:24 am

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Not having heard Rush say anything about teleprompters, since I don’t listen to him but a few minutes a year, I made up my own mind about that. I watch video of him speaking, and doing a reasonably good job, other than the fact that he looks like he’s watching a tennis game the whole time, then I watch him stumble through the simplest things, stuttering, getting words wrong, the number of states in the union, mistake after mistake, doing a good imitation of Joe Biden. The first example is of course, guided by the TP. The second is the real Obama.

My Dear Sweeet Olivia is unable to see those distinctions. Or unwilling.

FormerlyDeanH September 12, 2011 at 11:40 am

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“Whose JOB is it to tell me that CORPSMAN has silent consonants in it? I want to talk to that person right now. 3,000%.”

Alien September 12, 2011 at 10:06 am

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better then the papercuts Nancy endured from Ronald’s legendary index-card collection

poppajoe49 September 12, 2011 at 4:59 am

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BTW, Nice job Olivia, you managed 24 posts in 24 hours on this thread alone!
It’s been a busy day for you going full retard!

whiskeyriver September 13, 2011 at 8:03 am

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I remember exactly what I did on the day terrorists attacked our country, killing almost 3000 Americans. The wife and I were ready to leave the house when a friend called and told us to turn on the T.V. and check the news. Neither of us went to work that day, we sat on the sofa and watched as the second hijacked plane crashed into the second tower. As the events unfolded that day, the plane hitting the Pentagon and the crash of Flight 93 in a Pennsylvania field, the tears of rage and sorrow continued to flow.

A friend, and fellow veteran, stopped by Sunday and asked me why flags were not flying at half mast. I had no answer for him other than our President did not put the order out to lower all flags for the day. The more I thought about it though, I realized he was wrong. We honor the day we won our independence. Our older folks remember Pearl Harbor. We, our children and grandchildren, will always remember 9/11/2001. These are not days we should lower our flag but fly them high and proud.

These are the days we show the world that no matter what happens, no matter how you try to hurt us or our citizens, we will stand proud, fight and our flag will fly high. The sight of all the flags flying high this past weekend in my little town did not bring tears of sorrow or rage, only of pride. The pride in being an American.

RockingHorseGuy September 13, 2011 at 8:18 am

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I was on the 29 Palms Marine Base, just getting ready to walk out to the equipment to start my work day, when we started hearing things on the truck radios. We went to work, not knowing exactly what was going on. After a couple of hours or so, the project superintendent called everyone in to the patio outside his office, and filled us in on what little was known at the time, but that included the fact that the country was under attack.

We were offered the option of going home to be with our families, or to go back to work, building some new officer’s housing. We all went back to work, but I believe we were all in shock at the time, not fully registering what was going on.

We were in clear view of the West Gate of the Base, and soon we saw truckloads of blue 55-gallon drums being delivered, stacked up in front of the gate, and filled with water. West Gate closed. For a while, there was talk of the base being locked down, that there was a possibility we wouldn’t be able to go home that night. By quitting time, they had things straightened out a bit better, and we go to go home. But being on a military base, things were a bit tense that day.

None of us really had any idea of what had really happened until we got home and started watching news feeds.

It did, however, make me even more proud to be building new housing for the Marines, serving those who serve.

poppajoe49 September 13, 2011 at 10:38 am

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I had worked a late shift the day before and was asleep when the phone rang and my wife told me that a plane had hit the WTC. I turned on the TV and was watching when the second plane hit.

We lived in Monmouth County NJ at the time, near the hospital in Holmdel. When they started ferrying the injured, etc across to NJ, and the ambulances started carrying them to the hospital, the route they took brought them past our house, so I heard the sirens all day long. It was very surreal.

We had tickets to go to California on vacation on Sept 15, and weren’t sure what would happen, but that was the day they started letting planes back in the air. Our flight was cancelled, but we got one on another airline. When we flew back, we had to land at LaGuardia, and we flew right over Ground Zero. The entire area was lit up. It was a stark image from the sky.

Our favorite restaurant was just across the bay from Manhattan, and we went there for dinner when the towers of light were displaying, so we could see them.

Went to Ground Zero a couple of months later when they had the viewing platform. It was incredible seeing all the banners around the site that people had made and hung on the fences. The hole in the ground was unbelievable from up close.
All the people were going up to the railing and looking down, crying and praying for those lost. Some couldn’t stay on their feet and just sat against the side trying to collect themselves.

If I never see anything like it again in my lifetime, it will be too soon.