Alexandria cops bust 10-year-old for bringing toy gun to school.

The boy, a fifth-grader at Douglas MacArthur Elementary School whose name is not being released, was charged as a juvenile with brandishing a weapon, police said.

What was he going to do idiots? Use it for a club? More sheer stupidity rears it’s empty head.

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davidintexas February 5, 2013 at 5:12 pm

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Seems like every week that goes by I have less and less respect for police officers.

poppajoe49 February 5, 2013 at 11:36 pm

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Not all cops, just the ones that have allowed themselves to be brainwashed.

Not so silent February 6, 2013 at 1:07 pm

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David, as a cop let me tell you that two things come into play here..Line level officers and sergeants who handle these calls basically don’t give a shit about the “violation”..I got better things to do on patrol than this, if it is a realistic weapon I will take it, get a hold of the parents and give them a firm ass chewing, end of story. However when you get police chief’s and district attorney’s (states attorney’s) who are playing the political ass kissing games to curry favor with libturd politicians. There’s a disconnect between real police work and the assahats who run departments. WE have a joke, that when you promote to Lieutenant you get your spin removed, a Captain has a brain removed, and a chief is devoid of all internal organs and has only an ego left. Not to say there are not a great many chiefs who are not ass holes, but many fall into that trap and loose the respect of the officers. I have worked for some chief’s that I will not even talk to and some that were great men, but cities play politics with the office, they are usually appointed by the city council or city manager and therein lies the problem, you must kiss major ass to get that job and your kind of a puppet who can be fired at anytime. That’s the difference between ELECTED sheriff’s and APPOINTED police chiefs.

Now days you see all these morons standing around with Chicago Jesus for a photo op and to tell us how bad guns are, but all of them are ARMED…. Hippocrates all. and I bet you money the majority of them own “assault weapons” since carrying a gun and gun training are a part of the job.

Don’t put us all in the same vein. And just to make you laugh, I was turned down by a consultant in a small town as a police chief candidate because “I was too honest, was not afraid to call bullshit when I see it, and that would not work well in a “municipal environment”..Imagine that, first time In my life I was “Too Honest” go figure that shit out, You want a cop to be honest, yes with tact and skill….but honesty, integrity, and honor….City’s don’t want that, they want a paper pusher who punishes people for the slightest infraction, treats people like shit and follows the agenda to the letter. Cop work use to be the only thing I ever wanted to do, but with politicians trying to be police chief’s, it is FUBAR in Kalifornia and most major metro areas.

Hey I almost forgot to mention my original point, Officers who want to curry favor with a police chief and promote high up the food chain, are more than willing to do stupid shit like charge this kid with a crime…We refer to them as administration leg riders..ALR..

Elrond Hubbard February 5, 2013 at 6:00 pm

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“Seems like every week that goes by I have less and less respect for police officers.”

…and even less respect for school officials.

Question: How can a child be charged with “brandishing a weapon” when he’s carrying a plastic toy, not an actual weapon. “Zero tolerance” has morphed into “zero common sense” as the police and the school bully a ten year old into submission. I hope his parents sue the police and the school.

Neo-7 February 5, 2013 at 6:01 pm

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From one of the comments in the article , ” Charging a kid playing with a toy gun with ” Banishing a weapon ” makes as much sense as charging a child playing with a Hot Wheels car , with driving without a license .

Madness , madness everywhere , where does it stop , does anyone care ?

deepthinker February 5, 2013 at 6:04 pm

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I have no fricking clue what in the hell the Alexandria Police are thinking. For years they have been nutted by Jim moron Moran and those who have followed him.

Brothers and sisters, use the common sense that you entered the academy with. Stop listening and bowing down to those who are sitting in their offices and are the first ones to run to the microphones. This stupidity is getting old and making you and us all look like we are nothing but thugs with a badge and a weapon.

Neo-7 February 5, 2013 at 6:16 pm

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… we are nothing but thugs with a badge and a weapon .

Or the rising rank of the Ministry of Love . Enforcers of the State instructed to simply follow protocol .

StrinaM February 5, 2013 at 6:15 pm

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You see this???
7 yr old suspended for throwing an IMAGINARY grenade?

http://kdvr.com/2013/02/04/7-year-old-playing-an-imaginary-game-at-school-gets-suspended-for-real/

Sidekick February 5, 2013 at 6:28 pm

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We have hit the lowest level of stupid as a society. On a lighter note..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNSK0nOV4ho
The 1:25 point is awesome and timely.

GhostntheMachine February 5, 2013 at 9:30 pm

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So the domestic terrorists (gun nazis) won. All the little sheeple are panic stricken and ready for a savior. Let the tyranny begin.

Joe February 5, 2013 at 11:16 pm

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I seen that earlier today. Poor kid was using his imagination to save people and he gets suspended for it. He should have looked to the imaginary (but all to real) government for help first. After all, when the government helps someone it’s all imaginary.

Jim Stewart February 5, 2013 at 11:47 pm

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Dumbasses run public schools. Education majors have the lowest average SAT scores. Stories like this confirm it.

JPTravis February 6, 2013 at 9:46 am

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You don’t understand, Strina. Imaginary grenades are a gateway weapon. They lead inevitably to imaginary assault weapons.

sa_rose February 6, 2013 at 10:11 am

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That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Children play to work out actvities and things in their lives. In this child’s case he was playing soldier. Much like playing Batman, or Superman. THis is one more attempt for government schools to reduce out children to automatons, with no imagination, and thus less expectation. Look at how the favor the Asiatic teaching. Except the asiatic counties want their students to be more like Americans, spontaneous, thinking outside the box and letting their imaginations run wild. Like any other talent, if you don’t use it you will lose it. Look at the lead-around-by-the-nose folks we have turned out of our schools over the last 30 years or so.

Plainsman February 5, 2013 at 6:32 pm

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The way this story is written is laughable. “the 10-year-old did not point it at anyone or threaten to shoot it” –are you kidding me? Wow Ms. Naomi Jagoda really got a scoop here, didn’t she. We’re talkin’ Pulitzer here, I’m tellin’ ya!

Alien February 5, 2013 at 10:03 pm

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On the other hand, I bet mom or whoeverthefuck doesn’t feel quite as RAWR now with her toy.. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/05/3-year-old-s-c-boy-killed-after-mistaking-pink-handgun-for-toy/

Idiot..

sa_rose February 6, 2013 at 10:19 am

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So we have another case of ignorant, irresponsible parents. Yawn! By the bye, I notice they carefully never mentioned race. But the child’s name lends one to believe this was a black family.

Jim Stewart February 5, 2013 at 11:45 pm

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I had to write to the Super of the schools, Morton Sherman. superintendent@acps.k12.va.us

Mr Morton,

Honest to God, are education majors really the dumbest people on the face of the earth? An article in the Washington Examiner about a 10-year-old Alexandria boy being arrested after police said he brought a toy handgun to school on Tuesday has me wondering. The story says the boy was suspended from school, and that you (Alexandria City Public Schools Superintendent Morton Sherman) said further action is being considered, including expulsion.

It’s a toy gun, you ninny! What’s next on the agenda of public school stupidity? Expelling kids for assault spit balls? Hell, there is a news story about a kid being kicked out of school for an imaginary hand grenade. For people with education degrees imaginary means it does not exist !!!

Well Mr. Morton, super genius, you work your magic with this fifth grader and his toy gun. Meanwhile people with common sense will wonder if public schools will ever return to logic and reason. I have my doubts it will happen in my lifetime with the likes of you running schools.

poppajoe49 February 6, 2013 at 6:22 am

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Excellent idea Jim, I was inspired to send him this email:

Seriously?
In the years since my last family member became a teacher, have they changed the requirements to include the lack of common sense?
Children are just that CHILDREN! They will play whatever games their imaginations will come up with.
When I was a child, I used to play Cowboys and Indians, War, and Cops and Robbers. We didn’t have toy guns, so we used sticks and pieces of conduit (pipe used to protect electrical wires), anything that we could imagine was a gun. Amazingly, nobody got killed or hurt, and none of us became criminals, although a couple of my friends became policemen.
When people say that our education system is failing, the suppressing of a child’s imagination is high on the list of contributing factors. If they can’t use their imagination, all creativity is depressed, and the ability to comprehend math theorems, etc becomes inhibited.
I can understand this level of reaction if it were a real gun, or even a BB gun, but an inert, plastic, toy gun is about as dangerous as the pudding in the cafeteria, however your overreaction to this situation is very dangerous. You need to reconsider this prosecution/persecution and withdraw the charges against this child.

Jim Stewart February 6, 2013 at 7:01 am

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Great note Poppa.

poppajoe49 February 6, 2013 at 7:03 am

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Thanks

CO2Insanity February 6, 2013 at 7:28 am

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School cafeteria food is way more dangerous than a plastic toy gun.

sa_rose February 6, 2013 at 10:21 am

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AMEN!

poppajoe49 February 6, 2013 at 2:27 pm

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Ok, now I’m pissed!!!
The asshole superintendent replied to my email with nothing more than the VA statute that they are charging the kid under!
This Douchebag didn’t even have the balls to say anything himself!

poppajoe49 February 6, 2013 at 2:35 pm

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I just replied to him with the following quote from the article:

On Monday, the boy showed the plastic gun to at least one other student during a bus ride home from the school. The 10-year-old did not point it at anyone or threaten to shoot it, but he neglected to mention that the weapon was fake, said Alexandria police spokeswoman Ashley Hildebrandt.

The toy resembled a semi-automatic handgun, said police spokesman Jody Donaldson. It was silver and had a black handle. It also had a orange tip that went into the barrel, showing that no ammunition was coming out of it.

poppajoe49 February 7, 2013 at 5:04 pm

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Funny thing, no reply this time.

GhostntheMachine February 6, 2013 at 3:08 pm

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Did you save the statute, does it apply? Love to see it.

poppajoe49 February 6, 2013 at 3:37 pm

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VA Code § 18.2-282. Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty
(top)
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor or, if the violation occurs upon any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds or upon public property within 1,000 feet of such school property, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.
B. Any police officer in the performance of his duty, in making an arrest under the provisions of this section, shall not be civilly liable in damages for injuries or death resulting to the person being arrested if he had reason to believe that the person being arrested was pointing, holding, or brandishing such firearm or air or gas operated weapon, or object that was similar in appearance, with intent to induce fear in the mind of another.
C. For purposes of this section, the word “firearm” means any weapon that will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel single or multiple projectiles by the action of an explosion of a combustible material. The word “ammunition,” as used herein, shall mean a cartridge, pellet, ball, missile or projectile adapted for use in a firearm.

poppajoe49 February 6, 2013 at 3:43 pm

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According to the story in the paper, he is not in violation of the statute as I read it. Maybe PD, NSS, deepthinker, or someone else with knowledge of the law can show me the error of my ways.

deepthinker February 6, 2013 at 4:25 pm

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poppajoe49,

You are not wrong and have no error of your ways. I swear some have lost their ever loving minds and have bowed down to the PC fools.

There are grounds from the way the story reads for a false arrest and all the grief that comes with that. The lawyer has already hinted at making the claim for it.

Not so silent February 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm

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It would appear section “C” negates the charge, In Kalifornia a couple things, number one, 10 years old and younger can not be charged with a crime since according to the state they can not form the intent or have a reasonable understanding of right or wrong, (we have to ask questions to establish if they know the difference) second, brandishing means to display a gun, knife or similar weapon (that can cause injury or death) in a threatening and/or hostile manner, showing the other kids a toy gun is NOT brandishing by any definition that I know of…

IMHO this is nothing more than a political/media stunt by some asshole in either the prosecutors office or a police administrator who thinks he is going to be allowed to ride a leg to the top somewhere.

poppajoe49 February 6, 2013 at 4:41 pm

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Thanks guys. That was my impression, but I’m no cop or lawyer.

deepthinker February 6, 2013 at 5:35 pm

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I would say not so silent and I both have a strong dislike for lawyers. They try everything to twist you into some kind of knot.

What really gets me, most of the defense attorneys in this area try to pal us up after court. I keep my distance from all of them both defense and prosecution because you never know when they’ll cross to the other side of the field.

Not so silent February 6, 2013 at 9:31 pm

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If you mean “Go to the dark side”…..they cross over all the time….I won’t even ride in the courthouse elevator with them…..I am lawyerphobic….

sa_rose February 7, 2013 at 10:19 am

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So the key seems to be tryig to elicit a fearful response. Was the kid he showed it to afraid? Or did he think his friend just had a cool toy? Seems to me that is the crux of the case. Technically, according to the extensive statute he dd have a weapon. Its the brandishing that seems to be in question. Of course, there is always the fact that THIS IS A CHILD!!!! While there are occasionally young children involved in shootings of some type, it is rare and usually concerns a child with serious mental problems (gee there’s that “nuts” thing again) To give a child a felony record at what, 10? Is a crime in and of itself.

flashingscotsman February 6, 2013 at 2:13 pm

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I’d be in a lot of trouble with the toys I play with in my booth at renfaires. I now have both a squirt gun, and a nerf gun, that look like flintlock pistols. Known as the squirtlock and the nerflock, we have tons of fun with them. Haven’t managed to hurt anyone yet, though.

GhostntheMachine February 7, 2013 at 2:25 am

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Ran across this and didn’t know where to park it but this IS a gun thread. 6 minutes but worth the time with your morning [_]3.

http://www.therightscoop.com/awesome-dan-bongino-theres-no-such-thing-as-gun-control-just-people-control/

““In a society of wolves, you DO NOT fight back by creating more sheep!”