If every Food Stamp recipient voted for Obama, it would account for 75% of his total. “Harry Hopkins, FDR’s close adviser who ran the now-defunct Works Progress Administration (WPA), once described Roosevelt’s strategy as ‘tax & tax, spend & spend, elect & elect.’” Sounds like everything old is “new” again.

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Ruben November 15, 2012 at 12:20 pm

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Proud to be neither the “75%” nor the “25%.”

Dragonfish November 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm

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“Sounds like everything old is “new” again.”

Ecclesiastes 1:9 – KJV
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Old scam for the new generation? Seems many things repeat every 40 to 50 years. Are they (Politicians/crooks/commies) lazy? or is it, that lessons haven’t been learned and they are still free to continue the fraud?
I still like Iceland’s solution, think it would do wonders here.

KimmyQueen November 15, 2012 at 2:41 pm

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Romney said that “gifts” lost him the election and for some reason people called that racist. I guess racism means truth now?

sa_rose November 15, 2012 at 10:28 pm

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Has for a while npw. About 4 years give or take a week.

perlcat November 16, 2012 at 9:29 am

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Aeschylus said: “The first casualty of war is innocence.”

I say: “The first casualty in the war on freedom is the truth.”

whiskeyriver November 15, 2012 at 2:46 pm

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The older I get the less tolerant I get. I am begining to think that nobody getting any kind of welfare should be allowed to vote. I also think that anyone working for the government, local, state or federal, should not be allowed to vote. It goes without saying I do not count those in the military as government employees, they have earned the right to vote if nobody else in this country has.

We are no longer a nation of rational, moral people. Those on the gooberment dole, including the majority of government employees, will vote for the person who will keep the gravy train running every time. The financial condition of our country does not matter, the taxpayer does not matter, nothing matters but who will keep the freebies coming and the government checks coming in.

Author P.J. O’Roark says it best: “Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy the whores are us.”

sa_rose November 15, 2012 at 10:30 pm

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I get food stamps (at least for the moment. After January, I don’t know.) I voted for Romney. My friend the DEM computer nerd who is comfortable, voted Obama. It isn’t just the poor voting for him.

whiskeyriver November 16, 2012 at 8:27 am

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You are the rare exception to the rule rose. I look at the career welfare patients in my little town and see them drive newer cars than many working familys can afford. I see them living in their subsidized housing and turning it into a dump instead of being forced to help with the maintainence and upkeep. I get pissed when I pay my utility bills while they brag about only having to pay $30 bucks per month.

I see them in the local market or c-store, wasting their food stamps on sodas, chips, jerky and candy instead of buying real food for their children. Then my blood pressure hits the red line when I think about having to pay for healthy breakfasts and lunches at school because these same kids do not get fed decent meals at home. Then those that bother to vote brag about voting for the person who will keep the freebies coming in. The entire system is screwed up and changes need to be made, changes that those of us who pay the bills approve of.

PsychoDad November 16, 2012 at 9:33 am

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Yes, I was going to say that not everyone getting some kind of federal, or even state, bennies, is a dedicated leech. No, I’ve never been on welfare or food stamps, but here in Mass. at least you have to be earning into six figures , I think, before you’re not eligible for WIC coupons. We have six kids, we were eligible, we took ‘em. Almost always been employed, so I had no compunction about getting back a little bit from what we paid into the system.

The work I do is basically high-end temping — so I draw unemployment routinely. Right now, the last two projects I’ve been on have lasted nearly two years, which is a record, and I’d sure like a month or two off now! Longest I’ve ever been on UE is maybe 6 months, then I’m back refilling the government coffers. Now I do know that there are a LOT where I live (Southeast MA) who look at welfare as a way of life.

Ya know how the old stereotype was the proud immigrant dad whose son is the first in his family to go to school? Honest to God, I worked with one kid once (another job), and he told me he was the first in his family TO HAVE A JOB.

My wife once ran into a girl who had attended the school my wife taught at, and the girl said that she was tired of having to go to work, and was thinking of getting knocked up so she could go on benefits. She was about 20.

poppajoe49 November 16, 2012 at 12:14 pm

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I get a federal benefit, I don’t have med insurance, so I use my VA benefits for my medical.
What I didn’t know was that I am probably eligible for partial disability for 2 injuries I recieved in the military. I was eligible 26 years ago, same for the medical, but I just got my medical 2 years ago, and have yet to file a disability claim. However, a state Vet Affairs person visited me in the hospital this week and said that I should be getting disability benefits. They are going to file a claim for me. I’m not holding my breath, but it would be nice to have something to fall back on. I am starting to suffer a debilitating pain from the one injury, and am not sure how much longer I can keep working at this pace. I hate the idea of “going on the dole” but everyone keeps telling me I earned it. I’m still not completely sure I want to file for it.

CO2Insanity November 16, 2012 at 12:18 pm

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You earned it. That is not freeloading. You put your ass on the line. You deserve it. Take it.

perlcat November 16, 2012 at 12:18 pm

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File for it. Actual injuries are what it’s for. Serving our country doesn’t mean that you have to get boned. A deal’s a deal…

poppajoe49 November 16, 2012 at 3:58 pm

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I get that, it’s just that I feel weird getting money if I can still work. I would feel different if I was totally incapacitated. It’s hard to explain, but I just can’t get past it.
To give you an example, I have a nephew that is partially disabled from the Army, and he’s volunteering to go back to the Middle East.
BTW, the injury I have is progressive, and should make me a quadrapalegic at some point.

flashingscotsman November 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm

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I hear ya, PJ. I could go on full union retirement, instead of the partial one I have now, along with disability payments, food stamps, all sorts of freebies. But that would mean I couldn’t take my horses to events and play with people. Working causes me great pain, but I love my work, and I’m not ready to give it up.

sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 9:31 pm

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And that’s the sad part. THere are so many scammers that some of us feel guilty, even when we have EARNED the benefits we are receiving. I get Social Security disability because of my multiple health problems. Even so, I have tried to go back to work 3 times in 9 years, only to find that something in my medical systems falls apart. I had already workded enough to retire, so I get more money than those on Supplemental Social Security, but it still isn’t enough. But its too much to qualify for much of anything because my state is over run with people who either don’t work, or aren’t trained enough to work to a liveable level. We have a LOT of people who are working,, but still qualify for food stamps if nothing else because a minimum wage job is not a livable income. Every one of my children worked in High School, and the 2 younger ones worked full time! And went to school. And were involved at our church, and played in an award winning HS band. The middle child was Drum Major her senior year. Westill qualified for some food stamps. Now housing is a whole different thing. Housing here is really hard to get. I couldn’t get housing when I was homeless and 2 of my kids were staying with friends rather than go to a homeless shelter.

poppajoe49 November 18, 2012 at 6:15 am

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I know what you mean Rose. With the high number of military families in your area, the food stamp program must be overwhelmed!
Military families almost to a man, qualify for food stamps.
I haven’t seen one that wouldn’t qualify for WIC when they were pregnant.
The sad part is that they make less than a typical welfare family, and have higher expenses.
Then, the truly deserving, like you, can’t get enough to survive on.

sa_rose November 18, 2012 at 11:21 pm

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The military aren’t the problem. THe (literally) thousands of Mexican and other immigrants in the area are exhausting the system, Most of the workers are Hispanic, and therefore favor Hispanic applicants, most of the recipients are only educated to high school or less and got no specialized training so even if they are working they simply don’t make enough to live. And we have a ton of single mothers who can’t make enough working to pay for child care even with only one child. Many do not speak English, many are illegal (though not all). You should see any free event here. Its hardly worth trying to get there because they’ll run out of the freebies in the first half hour of the event> While the military frequently qualify, they are a drop in the bucket.

Karmaa November 18, 2012 at 6:53 am

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I just don’t know Rose. Are you the exception, or the norm? In my opinion, the system was designed for YOU. And I am happy to have it there for YOU. And, God forbid, for ME, should I ever need it. I would never complain for a second about taxes going to help people who try to do the right thing. For people who can’t work due to age, infirmity, disability or anything that makes them vulnerable. I think those people should be given clean, decent homes, good healthy food and medical care. THAT is what a humane and caring society does.

But we know that not all beneficiaries are like you. Is it one-for-one? Is it 50-to-one? Are you a tiny anomaly in the big picture, or are the fat-butt welfare queens with 19 kids the anomaly?

Does anyone know if there is any kind of research on this? I never really thought about it before, but it would be helpful to know how many recipients are truly in need, and how many use it as a lifestyle choice.

flashingscotsman November 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm

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I doubt that those numbers are available, Kaarma. Nobody in government wants to admit that their program should be downsized, even a little bit.

Karmaa November 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm

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That’s the truth!

sa_rose November 18, 2012 at 11:30 pm

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I don’t know how much research has been done. In my experience hanging out in the various offices applying, I am an anomaly. All arpund me I see young (20 somethings) COUPLES both sitting in the office to apply. woth the guy hanging all over the girl. I see a gair number of older women who have a zillion kids and no viable way to support them. I see a few older people in housing (mostly elderly Hispanic women.) and the Food stamp office workers have told me that retired seniors on Social Security usually qualify for $10 a month in food stamps. With the cola raise coming, I was just informed I no longer qualify for “extra Jelp ” for ,u prescription drugs. My food stamp application (for the next year) is still pendng. I may not even get the $11 a month I’ve been getting. And I havbe been trying to get housing since my kids were young ( they are now 26-31.) and have never evencome close. In fact at one time I was told they didn’t have my application, that “if” I sent it in, it had been lost. They had had the application for some7 years at that point.

poppajoe49 November 19, 2012 at 4:59 am

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Rose, you are getting Social Security and Medicare, right?
You need to talk to Humana about their Gold HMO Medicare program. My father in law has it, and if your income is low enough for you to be getting aid, they can do the paperwork for you to “dual qualify”, which means medicaid will cover the premiums for your medicare part D and the part that covers the 20% co-pay, so it will cost you nothing!
In FL, the income limit is $1200/mo.
He pays nothing for Dr visits, $25 for ER and ambulance, and $6.50 for his most expensive prescription, which is normally $240/mo.
If you need any more info, contact me.

sa_rose November 19, 2012 at 10:28 pm

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I was on “extra help that covered my premiums and the co pay on many of my scrips. That is what I just found out I don’t qualify for any more. And Humana here requires a certain network of doctors and my transplant people aren’t onit. But thanks for trying, I periodically check the Advantage plans to see if I can get a better deal. So far, here, I haven’t foundanytig better thanwhat I have. They transplant services cover the copays on some of my meds and after medicare pays, my average Doctor visit is about13. Going to an Advantage plan would actually cost me more than I am paying now.

Karmaa November 19, 2012 at 5:23 am

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That is infuriating! I live in a very nice, upscale townhouse neighborhood. The homes are about $325k here, and the rent is about $1800 a month when one is available. The neighborhood is probably about 25% black, mostly government workers. My next door neighbor has a PhD in biology, for instance. (I am only saying this so you get a “feel” for the demographics).

So, anyway – we have a section 8 family living here. We have police calls at least twice a month. There are dozens of kids streaming in and out of the place. It is a WRECK. In less than 6 months they have broken the garage door, ripped down the fence, spray-painted graffiti on the driveway, broken at least one window that I can see… the list goes on and on. The first week of the month the “head mama” gets in her late-model minivan, and takes all the “sub-mamas” to the grocery store. It takes them like 2 hours to unload the van. And it’s pretty clear that they are not buying generic stuff.

With 4 women all on max food-stamps it is amazing how much stuff they buy. My guess is each has an average of 5 kids – so that’s minimum 25 people in the house – not to mention all the baby-daddies who come hang out once the food coach arrives. All standing around in the street, with cars full of people showing up and hanging out too.

One family, In a neighborhood of 75 homes. And we are now a ghetto. It’s sick. Anyway – that was just an off-topic rant. Back to our regularly scheduled rant:

So, yeah. It’s infuriating! It REALLY makes me mad when people who are deserving can’t get help, but the welfare queens just waltz in and pick everything off the smorgasbord. I don’t understand how that works. How is it that a lazy slug can just snap their fingers and get it all, but a hard-working person who is trying their best has to beg for crumbs? Seriously.

poppajoe49 November 19, 2012 at 5:36 am

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The people running the welfare office are racist.

Karmaa November 19, 2012 at 5:52 am

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Poppa – do you think that’s true? Seriously? I have heard stuff that sounds as if you are black you are almost automatically able to get the full monty. Same with mortgages, before the crisis. I would really like to believe that is not true, but in the last 4 years I have learned a LOT about what nice suburban people could never imagine is happening with their tax dollars.

poppajoe49 November 19, 2012 at 5:55 am

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I can’t prove it legally, nobody can, but I’m afraid it’s true.

Karmaa November 19, 2012 at 6:04 am

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*nod*

DefHarryMelon November 19, 2012 at 6:32 am

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The name for this phenomenon is Progressivism. A late model example of it is still playing out in South Africa. It gets bad. It gets really bad.

flashingscotsman November 19, 2012 at 12:13 pm

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No, it can’t be true. My libtard FB friends swear that none of this actually happens.

poppajoe49 November 19, 2012 at 10:25 pm

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:-D

sa_rose November 19, 2012 at 10:33 pm

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Blacks can get pretty much anything, and Hispanics seem to all know someone who knows someone who tells them exactly what to put on the form so it passes muster, but they get the aide. I would love to say that doesn’t happen. But it does. One year I went for assistancewith my electric bill for 1 month. They were all nice over the phone,whenall they had was my very Hispanic surname. When I went to the office, and saw that I was white, there were a dozen reasons why they couldn’t help after all.

poppajoe49 November 20, 2012 at 6:42 am

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Hey Rose, here’s the answer to your question about how Hispanics get the paperwork right!

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/18/homeland-security-promotes-welfare-to-new-immigrants-in-government-welcome-materials/

sa_rose November 20, 2012 at 11:22 pm

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Wow. I hope this is for LEGAL immigrants, but I thought to imigrate, or to get a green card you had to show you could support yourself, or has a sponsor who could support you until you got settled. Wish my kids could have gotten free college. Everyone dropped out because they couldn’t afford the cost and were already in huge debt for their attendance to that point. I was the first person in my family to graduatee from a 4 year college. Guess the count starts over with my kids,

perlcat November 21, 2012 at 7:07 am

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You’d better believe it. When you immigrate legally, you need a sponsor who’ll sign an affidavit that they will support you and not let you collect any government benefits for seven years. I know, because I personally signed one for the wife.

People who immigrated legally despise those who immigrated illegally. For good reason. Citizenship has value, and should be treated with respect, instead of as a political ploy by sleazy politicians and lazy scumbags who think the world owes them something.

poppajoe49 November 21, 2012 at 7:07 am

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It doesn’t matter, once the info is available, it will be distributed throughout the community, and everyone accesses it. Then, if it’s online, who is chscking immigration credentials?

poppajoe49 November 16, 2012 at 7:40 am

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You mean National Socialism isn’t a new idea? ;-)

Obama’s Uncle Adolph would be disappointed that we don’t remember his efforts.

danybhoy November 16, 2012 at 4:16 pm

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Here is something not very well known here in the States. It’s a Dutch act called Within Temptation. This is “Deceiver Of Fools”…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY2HsNHE76Y

…if you need a clue as to the type of people the song is refering to, check out the faces on the video board.

He feeds on fear
He feeds on pain
He rules again
With growing hate
He will gain
Their faith again

The light in the darkness
Is too small to see
There’s always a sparkle of hope
If you just believe

He told the tale so many times
About the dream not meant to be
In a world of the free

He plays with your mind

As faith for the future faded fast
He grows strong with their displeasure
It sets him free

Chorus:
Deceiver of hearts
Deceiver of fools
He rules with fear
Deceiver of hopes
Deceiver of fools
He rules again

He feeds on fear
Poisons the truth
To gain their faith
To lead the way
To a world of decay

He rules your heart

He’ll sell your soul to the grave
Without a hesitation to make
He belongs to the dark

(chorus)

Please awake
And see the truth
He can only be
If you believe what he tells you
Remember who you are
What you stand for
And there will always be a way

(chorus)

In my heart there is a place
In my heart there is a trace
Of a small fire burning
A sheltering ray shines through this night
Although it’s small, it’s bright
But darkness is lurking

He will sell your soul to bitterness and cold
Oh fear him

Deceiver of hearts
Deceiver of fools
He rules with fear
Deceiver of hopes
Deceiver of fools
Shall he rule again?