Land of Lincoln? Illinois demands photo IDs for gun purchases, but not for voter IDs

by editor on March 24, 2011

Illinois may call itself The Land of Lincoln, but old Abe would be turning over in his grave if he saw this story.

An Illinois law that says you must show valid photo ID to purchase a gun is causing problems for the Amish because their religion prohibits them from having their photos taken.

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The Amish can vote without photo ID, but they can't buy guns

NBC Chicago has the details:

Up till now, the state had allowed them to obtain an FOID card without a photo, as is required of every other gun owner. But last month, the state police director reversed that policy, and said photos would be required of every gun owner, Amish or not.

The sheriff of Douglas County, considered to be the heart of Illinois’ Amish country, said many of them are rifle hunters to bring home food. If the new policy is enforced, many Amish would find themselves facing a tough choice – lose that source of food and protection, or violate their religious teachings.

The issue is complicated even further by the state attorney general recently ruling that FOID information can be made public. The Amish lead sequestered lives and strive to keep society at large out of their affairs. The possibility of making their photos public would make the whole prospect doubly offensive.

Irony alert: The same Democrats who believe the Amish should be forced to violate their religion in order to purchase guns feel just as strongly that photo IDs shouldn’t be required in order to vote. They voted down a law proposed by Republicans in 2008 that would have made voter photo IDs necessary.

An attempt to require Illinois voters to show identification before casting a ballot was rejected Thursday by Democratic lawmakers.

The proposal would have required an official ID in order to get a ballot. Those who didn’t comply could cast provisional votes that would be counted so long as the voter could produce an ID within 10 days.

State Rep. David Reis, a downstate Willow Hill Republican, modeled the Illinois proposal after an Indiana law recently upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. Supporters said in a day and age in which ID is required with so many daily activities, it’s not out of line to add voting to the list.

“We have to prove who we are to get in this building,” state Rep. Tim Schmitz, a Batavia Republican, said of working in the Capitol. “At some point we have to take responsibility for who we are.”

Unfortunately, Rep. Schmitz, with Democrats in power that point is when you want a gun, not when you want to vote.

Source: NBC Chicago,

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john_of_il March 24, 2011 at 6:14 am

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It can be difficult to photograph the dead carcase of most Chicago voters.

RoadWarrior March 24, 2011 at 6:25 am

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Be reasonable. How could they win an election if they could only vote once? How could they win with no voter fraud?

Conservatives are just poor losers.

Keith in Seattle March 24, 2011 at 6:29 am

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And the Dhimmis are experts at stealing elections with their “finding” of ballots in people’s trunks and bags in the “back room”. They have been doing it for 50 years or more and are really good at it. People are waking up to their loser mentality and in 2012 they will reap what they have sown.

Big Al March 24, 2011 at 6:28 am

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You know things are getting bad when the Amish begin to arm themselves.

AZ Dude March 24, 2011 at 9:16 am

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Just saw that the EEOC or Justice Dept. is bringing suit on behalf of the Muslim teacher that was denied her request for three weeks of unpaid leave so she could attend the haji. Recall that she quit and then lawyered up so she could sue the school district. The gist of their position is that she should not have been forced to choose between her religion and work. Isn’t this the same concept? Should the Amish be forced to choose between a means of survival (food) and their religious tenents of not being photographed?

Pierce March 24, 2011 at 6:29 am

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They need to learn that the religious beliefs of WHITE people don’t need to be respected.

Bruce March 24, 2011 at 6:37 am

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I wonder if they would allow a women muslim to wear a burqa for her picture.

whiskeyriver March 24, 2011 at 6:49 am

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Illinois has nothing over New Mexico. The dipwads in our legislature passed a law saying you have to have photo I.D., like a drivers license, to vote but refused to repeal the law allowing illegal aliens the right to obtain a drivers license. Illegal aliens can vote AND buy guns in this state because they are allowed to get a NM drivers license.

RockingHorseGuy March 24, 2011 at 6:57 am

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Isn’t your new governor working on changing that? I thought she was going to clean up a lot of your problems.

whiskeyriver March 24, 2011 at 7:41 am

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The House passed a bill repealing the law and revoking all drivers licenses issued to known illegals but the Senate shot it down. Our new Secretary of State has her people working on it and they have already found about 100 illegals that used their license to vote in our elections and the fools in the Senate paid no attention to the facts. Not to mention the fact that almost 80% of we citizens want this law repealed.

We cannot place all the blame on the Governor, she can only sign or veto the bills that hit her desk and those bills have to come from the House and Senate. What I have been urging Governor Martinez to do is veto every bill on her desk. Force the fools hand and if it takes a shutdown in state gooberment so be it. We will have to wait and see if she is tough enough.

hisham March 24, 2011 at 7:18 am

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Par for the course; for hunting for food and driving a car, you need a license and photo ID, but for something mundane like voting your very right to exist away…nothing. Sounds reasonable to me.

nonkenyan March 24, 2011 at 7:20 am

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So, why don’t we just ‘give’ them guns. Gun control laws mostly restrict law abiding citizens, anyway. Criminals seem to have easy access. How ’bout I trade you a .357 mag revolver for one of those sweet woodstoves. Any law against that? Democrat=Commie

Nyssa March 25, 2011 at 5:41 am

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Yup, there is. Illinois requires private sellers to maintain records of the sales for 10 years, including the FOID numbers of both buyer and seller. These records must be produced any time ISP or BATFE request them, no warrant required. Failure to provide records can lead to your FOID getting revoked. Possessing a firearm or ammo without a FOID is a felony with a minimum 2 year sentence.

ISP has been known to knock on peoples doors the day after their FOID expires, and heaven help you if you have so much as a round of ammo in your house. Imagine what they would do to an entire community that they knew had no way of obtaining FOID cards.

unsheepled June 7, 2011 at 3:01 pm

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What they would do? What they do now… call the swat teams to raid amish farmers who dare sell raw milk…You CANNOT make this insane stuff up. But it does take a specially polluted , federal mind!

Morior Invictus March 24, 2011 at 7:27 am

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How about voters putting their finger in purple stain? At the end of the day, all the Illinois democrats would have ten stained fingers.

navyvet March 24, 2011 at 10:11 am

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And the men, eleven

deepthinker March 24, 2011 at 7:56 am

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Perfect solution for the Amish, they are immigrants and just arrived in Illinois. That way they get all the free goodies.

What a bunch of garbage.

michaelht1 March 24, 2011 at 8:25 am

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it really does not matter as the Obama administration is using the US State Department to bypass normal legislative process in Congress. To have hillary sign international treaties (of course with the U.N.) all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The smoke and mirror game continues while the real game in play is obama’s one world government

unsheepled June 7, 2011 at 3:03 pm

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Obama did NOT start US down that road, he had lots of help from the wall street owned puppets that infested the WH before him!!

mojo March 24, 2011 at 9:36 am

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– Amish drive-by

BMF March 24, 2011 at 9:59 am

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There really isn’t any inconsistency here–it’s just a misunderstanding of how the system works.

Let me slip on my liberal walking shoes and explain.

The Illinois assembly simply became confused when they got guns mixed with voters and the Amish.

They concluded that “votes don’t kill people; voters kill people.” Since illegals are not qualified voters, they don’t need to have photo IDs. Besides, if photo IDs were required, then they couldn’t vote. The solution is not to require any photo ID to vote allowing illegals, the dead, felons, and every other living thing that could drag itself to a poll or could mail an absentee ballot to vote Democrat early and often.

With that problem solved, they turned to issue of guns; but the cobwebs weren’t entirely cleared after the voter ID issue, and so when they tried to apply the same logic to guns they came up with “guns don’t kill people; Amish kill people.” Therefore it made sense that a photo ID would be required for the Amish to purchase a gun. Besides, it’s pretty much against their religion to vote or hold office so they represent no political threat whatsoever.

But in the spirit of political correctness, multi-culturalism, climate change, green jobs, and bio-diversity; they decided that the law would have be applied equally and so a photo ID would be required by everyone purchasing a gun.

See, when you walk in a liberal’s shoes it ain’t pretty but all the dots do get connected.

hisham March 24, 2011 at 8:48 pm

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Yeah, but when you’re done connecting all the dots, what does it look like? A picture you and I can relate to, or some LSD induced nightmare?

Paden March 24, 2011 at 10:37 am

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The war on the second amendment has arrived.
We always know the damn socialist were going to do it, we just didn’t know when.
I hope the people of America refuse to allow the liberals to violate their civil rights.

Paden March 24, 2011 at 10:42 am

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Here in Michigan a burn ban ( camp fire) is being debated.
The liberals are making great efforts to ban hunting on state owned lands across the country. on the other end of their agenda the liberals are starting another gun ban.
In a post SHTF world, it will be illegal to hunt your own food, it will be illegal to cook it or even defend yourself.
The short sighted liberals always manage to amaze me.

Timetravel March 24, 2011 at 1:28 pm

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Illinois license plates should read: Most of our governors go to jail!

Bruce March 24, 2011 at 1:36 pm

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As in Illinois resident, I take umbrage at that negative slogan. It should read, “Some of our governors did not go to jail”

Timetravel March 24, 2011 at 1:43 pm

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OK, Some of our Governors did not go to jail – YET!

peter March 24, 2011 at 4:49 pm

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all we need is an honorable herd of ELLIOT NESS’S and their gangs too wreck havoc
upon these capo thug democraps!!
then we re-open ALCATRAZ!

Deb March 24, 2011 at 8:06 pm

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So where is the Almighty ACLU to defend these peole’s rights? Where are the Media whores jamming the streets of the nearest city, interviewing the mob of protests being held in favor of the Amish and their right to practice their religion? Wait, what’s that? No ACLU? No Media? No protests? But WHY? I guess American citizens are irrelevant in today’s world

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