What a difference 18 months makes: Now they can’t give away tickets to see Obama speak

by editor on July 10, 2010

obama carnahan campaign

President Obama and Robin Carnahan, now appearing at the appropriately-named Folly Theater

Is this a sign of Obama’s sinking economy or Obama’s sinking popularity or are those two now synonymous?

National Review reports news that would have been unimaginable 18 months ago:

Obama is heading to MO and NV today to raise money for Secretary of State Robin Carnahan (D), running for an open Senate seat, and Senate Maj. Leader Harry Reid.

But Carnahan’s campaign wasn’t able to completely sell out the Folly Theater, where Obama will appear for a grassroots event on Carnahan’s behalf, at the prices they wanted. Tickets once priced at $250 are now going for $99, while $35 tickets are half off.

How appropriate that this event is being held at the Folly Theater. Folly, indeed.

Source: National Review

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chillie willie July 10, 2010 at 3:34 am

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They’ve got it wrong – they should make admission free and hand out tacos at the door…that would pack em’ in.

drb July 10, 2010 at 5:23 am

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Make sure they have some vegan dishes as well.

BTW, why is it that almost all vegans lean left?

jaboolie July 10, 2010 at 9:38 am

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LOL – tooo funny – this website makes me laugh. btw, i’m a vegetarian (would like to be a vegan) – but i sure as hell am not an idiot liberal. :D

Pierce July 10, 2010 at 12:02 pm

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HA! Me too!
(Except I don’t think I could handle being a vegan).
And even when I was 13, I was conservative.

USN-RETIRED July 10, 2010 at 11:54 am

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Could be a dietary deficiency. Or too much kool-aid.

Pierce July 10, 2010 at 12:09 pm

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One’s diet is NOT a political statement.
It is a personal CHOICE.
America, until the libs take over, is about FREEDOM.

Only idiot liberals make vegetarianism a political thing. PLEASE Don’t be like them. We, as conservatives need to STICK TOGETHER if we are to beat them in November and in 2012 (and in perpetuity hopefully).
:-)

Joe Citizen-Not Subject July 10, 2010 at 12:55 pm

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Lack of meat causes brain damage?

Margaret July 10, 2010 at 4:07 pm

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It most likely does. Both the brain and the heart use FAT as their preferred fuel. Not much fat in a vegetable now is there?

drb July 13, 2010 at 5:31 pm

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No not much fat in vegetables but vegetarians at least eat dairy products and eggs.

C. Strasburger July 10, 2010 at 6:14 am

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Maybe its just me….but….has anyone noticed that you never see pans of the adoring crowds in the throngs of ecstasy in “FRONT” of the podium anymore? Is is just me, but, are the only people that actually show up anymore the paid shills from some union “BEHIND” the podium? Crowd sure seems quiet when odumbo speaks anymore….

Wonder why that is?

BTW, chili….Mexicans don’t eat tacos….they eat tostados….a taco is an American version…. Americans don’t want to listen to this marxist speak anymore…we just want him gone…back to kenya would be good…one way ticket….I’ll pay…

Bill July 11, 2010 at 9:32 am

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where do i donate to send thin dumbass back to kenya

calgal July 11, 2010 at 9:50 am

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Same reacrion we all had to GWB when he got ready to leave the White House. Instead of all this garbage why are people not out working for what they want? Wars and dirty tricks are the way of both parties.
Why limit your thinking and box yourself in? Travel some, (if you can get out of the country), turns out the SS numbers were not Satan, seems like
whoever did 911 got what they wanted. They divided the country, ruined our Union, and made us all line up and take off our shoes to travel.
We are SUCH WIMPS! If you show fear and fury you are not in control.
We are getting our asses kicked just like in Viet Nam. We are too far away with too many with no one to do the work of these wars. WE can’t even unify here. Remember when we were united for a few weeks after Twin Towers? Now we fight like rats in holes. This is how terrorism works. And it worked. So far it hasn’t done much good to go on crusades, bomb conutries by mistake
or kill people we generally don’t know or know anything about. Can we get a plan that has some focus from either side of our two-party system?
I don’t think so. But I feel much better going into the streets of my community and protesting (which is no longer an option for ANYONE due to the fear of BOTH parties) than I do sitting in the light of this stupid machine that could be used for SO much good, just like TV could have done so much good, and we sit on our asses and complain to entertain.
I am outta HERE COWARDS! Se ya in the streets.

drb July 11, 2010 at 11:43 am

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bah-bye calgal

goldbricker84 July 11, 2010 at 10:48 am

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Tacos, tostados… doesn’t matter… they are here in America, so they get the American version… tacos. Besides, they wouldn’t object.. they’re free.
And I’ll help pitch in for that ticket back to kenya.

Joe July 10, 2010 at 9:36 am

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Damn, I’d go see Marx for 35 bucks. I may not agree with him but he is still our Fuhrer.

USN-RETIRED July 12, 2010 at 4:16 pm

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Actually, it might not be a bad idea. Something to tell the grandchildren in future years.

“Well, I was sitting in the 7th row when he made that famous speech that made all those candidates lose the 2010 election and the Dems lose their majorities. Boy, he came on like he was slicker than a greased door-knob. Talked just like one of those 19th century snake-oil salesman – promises, promises, promises. But if you looked close you could tell from his face when he was lying. Yep, that was a big moment in history and I was there. ”

Nice touch with Fuhrer. Could be true. He acts like he has set his sights that high. BTW – Führer is spelled with a U umlaut. Keystroke is alt + 0252.

KimmyQueen July 12, 2010 at 4:20 pm

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Maybe I am stupid but I think this was a joke so I don’t get the numerous thumbs down… oh well.

Jimbo July 15, 2010 at 6:38 pm

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I agree Kimmy. I thought the Fuhrer comment was dripping with sarcasm and the comment deserved a thumbs up.

KimmyQueen July 16, 2010 at 9:25 am

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Yeah Jimbo. I don’t know what happened there. Perhaps people thought he was being serious but I don’t know TO ME it was facetious.

Vic July 10, 2010 at 11:59 am

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Well, it seems to me that in MO, it is a LOT cheaper to just stop by a farm, and collect the south-most product of a north-bound-male cow, than to pay to get the BS from BO.

USN-RETIRED July 10, 2010 at 12:08 pm

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Ahh, very good. The Pretender-in-Chief continues to spread the political Kiss of Death.

Barry, Barry, he’s our man (?),
His own career is in the can.
Now he’ll try to pass the buck
While folks are saying WTF !

Wonder why some Dems are not accepting his offer to campaign for them? Can you say “toxic presidency”? ;-)

Brian July 10, 2010 at 12:51 pm

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Yeah they should pay people to show up or better yet give them temp jobs…. lol

“BTW, why is it that almost all vegans lean left?”
Because they are illogical & backwards, preference/religious obligations is one thing but believing your self compassionate by rejecting certain foods is deluded thinking. We live in a system where in order to live lifeforms eat other life forms , nothing except will change that no matter how many celery sticks you eat or anemic you become.

Celt July 10, 2010 at 2:44 pm

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The only way I’d show up to hear a creature like obongo speak is if I had a large cowpie with me to throw in his filthy, putrid, lying face.

MichiganVet July 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm

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Wow, knowing what the Obama support does to a candidate, does this make Carnahan the most desperate candidate or what …. and at the Folly theater as well (snark)!

Gin0 July 11, 2010 at 3:53 am

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No surprise. every campaign stomp the Great One participated, the candidate lost….Say good-bye to dingy harry….can the botox queen pelosi be far behind?

rightonrighton July 12, 2010 at 8:36 am

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This is a very amusing site. Enerytime somebody makes an opposing point you bury them. So Very American.

Necron_99 July 12, 2010 at 9:51 pm

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Just like we buried Hitler and all the enemies of Liberty and Freedom. And before you go off on some bullshit about how our conduct doesn’t support Liberty and Freedom, I suggest you investigate any of the Liberal Forums that abound on the internet and compare their comments about and to Conservatives. You will find IHTM is mild by contrast. So what can we say to the opposing point makers other than “Payback’s a bitch.” We conservatives have suffered the slings and arrows from the childish lefties and played the role of “The bigger person” since the beginning. Now when we cut loose and have a little fun at their expense, I guess we’re twice as evil in your eyes. The truth is conservatives are the responsible adults and Liberals are little more than spoiled petulant children. Or to put it more classically: Conservatives are the industrious ants and liberals are the lazy grasshoppers. Bottom line… Conservatives built this nation, and we’ll be damned if we let it be handed over to liberals without a fight. So yes, very American.

Sam July 13, 2010 at 8:56 am

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I love the generalizations – makes for very informative reading.

What ‘payback’ are you talking about? Are you trying to say that you like having a website where you can get together with your right wing buddies but you don’t want any outsiders here?

C. Strasburger July 13, 2010 at 1:10 pm

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No, Sam, actually, unlike your liberal friend’s sites, we LOVE and WELCOME outsiders…but then, really, what is an outsider? I thought we were all Americans?

But then, you are right about one thing…those of us that actually contribute to society, you know, job creators and the ones that primarily made America what it is today and from its founding, the best and the greatest country on Earth, prefer to gather here and in places like it. We welcome argument from “outsiders” though there is rarely if ever anything resembling reality in 99.9999999999% of those outsider’s views. But hey, go for it!

Just don’t expect much support….facts, you know, history, economics, and that pesky reality thing are always on our side of the fence…..we just don’t much go for sunshine and lollipops….it just has no place in the real world. Good luck!

Sam July 13, 2010 at 1:32 pm

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Why do most countries that have far broader social welfare systems in the US rank as better places to live?

C. Strasburger July 13, 2010 at 1:47 pm

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Interesting, Sam. So what poll does that come from? And the better question, by far, is, why is that that all those supposed countries that have broader social programs are nearing or at complete bankruptcy? In fact, what news information source are you paying attention to? You might want to seriously consider other sources. Greece and Spain come to mind….as do the UK, and France…..I could go on…and on…and on…..

I have lived all over the world in my 50 years, Sam. Never, ever, have I been somewhere I would rather live than the good old USA. I’ve lived in Europe, still go there regularly on business, I’ve lived in latin American countries….you hablo espanol perfecto, intiendo….pero…. I am of the mindset that ALL American children should be required by law to live in a third world country for at least 6 months when they are young so that they see, factually, just how incredible this country is.

Tell you what though….since I can, I would be most happy to accomodate you and provide you a one way ticket anywhere you want to go, OUT of the USA….and you can let us all know just how well that works out for you….. deal?

Sam July 13, 2010 at 1:58 pm

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None of the countries you listed ever rank higher than the US. What are you talking about. How about the Swiss, or Norway, or Sweden. Try Canada, they’re close to the US: their economy is the strongest out of any industrialized nation (unemployment just dropped again and their banks are super strong) while still having a much broader social safety net than here.

Yes, the US is a better place to live than a third world country, but there are a lot of first world countries that are better places to live than the US.

JJJRO July 13, 2010 at 2:08 pm

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You forgot to ask if he could fit into an overhead compartment…

drb July 13, 2010 at 5:35 pm

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Why do most countries that have far broader social welfare systems in the US rank as better places to live?

Sam, if you really believe that then please, pick one and go.

Sam July 13, 2010 at 5:45 pm

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Can you provide me with a study that suggests the US has the highest quality of life?

drb July 13, 2010 at 5:53 pm

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Sam, I don’t need to provide you with anything. If you think you will enjoy your life better living in another country then go.

Sam July 13, 2010 at 7:38 pm

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So you’re telling me that there is no research that says that quality of life in the US is the best but you’re still right? LOL. Brilliant stuff.

drb July 14, 2010 at 4:27 am

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Sam, I am telling you no such thing. I am suggesting that if you personally feel life would be better for you elsewhere then go there and be happy. I, on the other hand would not want to live anywhere else. Not even your precious Canada.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 4:36 am

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Life will be better, but for now I will keep saving as much as I can here and then go so we can outright buy a house and so we can work less.

I didn’t realize that Americans don’t like to try to improve the way they live. “Take it or leave it”, such an American way of thinking. I guess that’s why things are going downhill so quickly here.

drb July 14, 2010 at 4:51 am

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I didn’t realize that Americans don’t like to try to improve the way they live. “Take it or leave it”, such an American way of thinking. I guess that’s why things are going downhill so quickly here.

Once again Sam, you are trying to twist things. It comes down to personal choice. You are clearly not happy here so go where ever you think you can find it. I was born here. I grew up poor, I have worked hard and my life has greatly improved. No one handed me anything, everything I have I have worked for and earned on my own. I don’t need the government to provide me with anything except national defence and protection of our constitution.

This country is going downhill, has been doing so slowly over the last 100 years and it is due to liberal progressive policies such as FDR’s New Deal. Yes Sam, we are still feeling the pain from that!

Sam July 14, 2010 at 4:58 am

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I have worked has as well and make a lot of money here. I will leave when I have reached my goal because that is my choice as well. So since I’m going to be here why don’t I try and make it a better place to live?

I have worked very hard for what I have and I’m not asking for anything for myself. However, I understand the realities of life and that not all people have what they need to survive. Some people grow up without parents and without many options. People’s actions are most influenced by those around them and so I kid growing up around people selling crack isn’t going to know any different.

I understand that making other people’s lives better improves mine because it lowers crime and gets rid of the police presence that is so prevalent in the US.

The reasons why having I think having a social safety net are important are self-interested, but thankfully they also help out someone else.

drb July 14, 2010 at 5:03 am

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Sam, if you want to help others, great, be charitable. But make sure they want your help. It is clear here, that your vision for helping us is not a vision we share.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 5:05 am

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What are you talking about? There is no program that is forced on anyone. People are free to do as they like but they those who don’t have as many opportunities have some help.

drb July 14, 2010 at 5:11 am

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income taxes are not voluntary

drb July 14, 2010 at 5:13 am

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every one in America has opportunities, not everyone puts forth and equal effort therefore they do not have equal results. It is not my responsibility to provide equal results.

Sam July 13, 2010 at 3:43 pm

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I don’t understand what other websites have to do with what’s happening on this website.

C. Strasburger July 14, 2010 at 4:40 am

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OK, Sam….and I must admit I don’t know of any research you cite of how these countries are any better a place to live than the US. I will tell you I spend a fair amount of time in Sweden and Denmark….quite a bit actually. Beautiful places, and the people are fairly nice. But I still wouldn’t live there. They also don’t have the oppotunity there we have here. They cannot make as much money as we can here, even at the same level of job. They are not really free to pursue their dreams…but that is how socialist countries work. The countries are also going bankrupt because of these “social welfare” programs….and these are but a few of the reasons why so many of them flee to the USA, so they CAN pursue their dreams…. And, those countriees also protect their borders…you could not live in any of them permanently….and you’d never be a citizen.

And you keep talking about social welfare…why would that be important to you? Are you looking to spend your life on what you apparently feel is mommy’s (the “gubment’s”) teat? Why would you want that? Did mommy and daddy not do a good job raising you to understand that you can be anything you want, that opportunity abounds like nowhere else in the world? That you can make as much or as little as you want? That life is about your own choices, good or bad and that it applies to everyone?

Let’s be clear since we are way off the original topic now. Socialism does not work, and our president is a socialist. It is most clear considering his inept agenda and completely irresponsible policy making. Perhaps you should spend some time researching marxism and socialism. Then spend some time researching how wonderfully that worked out for them all… In fact, spend a little time researching pre world war two Germany….it should tell you all you want to know to help you grow up….

You must be, what, 12- 13 years old? Only one so young, impressionable, and mentally and emotionally bankrupt would possibly think as you do. I will still be happy to provide you that one way ticket…

Sam July 14, 2010 at 4:49 am

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LOL, I don’t think you have read anything I have written. I likely make 6 times what you do. I’m the head of marketing for a large beverage corp and my wife is a corporate lawyer.

I am from a country with a large social safety net and it is not going bankrupt. If you did your research you would see that Canada has one of the strongest economies in the world and will have eliminated its spending deficit in two years. I think you might need to do a little research. I’m guessing you won’t because you seem to want to believe the “American Dream” but for a second just try and consider something new and do some research.

drb July 14, 2010 at 4:52 am

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Sam, you are not hearing us. We don’t want socialism.

C. Strasburger July 14, 2010 at 5:25 am

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I seriously doubt that Sam…I have quite succesfully built and sold three technology companies in the last 15 years, and am working on my last one today…..I’ll sell this one, and probably retire again within 2 years…and I’ll only be 52 years old. Let me also tell you this, Sam, I likely pay more in taxes in one year than you both make in a year. I know a little about your business and I pay two corporate lawyers way too much money for what I receive in services, but they are a fact of life in America.

I believe in the American Dream because I’ve lived it and earned it, through hard work….although, it is not really that hard. You really are boring me.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 5:28 am

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I don’t follow the point of this comment. Are you trying to tell us that you make a lot of money?

administrator July 14, 2010 at 7:24 am

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And with that stupid comment, we’re done with you.

gustavos July 13, 2010 at 8:46 am

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This is a very amusing site. Opposing comments are not buried, just covered up. Maybe you didn’t notice the “Click here to see” thingy which allows you to view the “opposing” comments any old time you wish. My favorite thing to do here is “unbury” so I can enjoy a bit of retarded left wing gibberish…and then, viola! I can cover it up again! Yee Haw!

Jimbo July 15, 2010 at 6:40 pm

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At least your comments get posted. I’ve been waiting a week for my comments to show up on the Media Matters web site. A new login has to have the comments “approved” by someone and that someone must not want a diversity of opinion. So Media Matters doesn’t matter to me.

KimmyQueen July 16, 2010 at 9:28 am

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That is interesting that they do that at Media Matters but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

KimmyQueen July 12, 2010 at 4:23 pm

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Okay so why is it that a lot of these dem women have this lesbianie look… weird. I thought that was a man. In any case she is desperate because she should know that is the kiss of death.

C. Strasburger July 13, 2010 at 5:08 am

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Kimmie, she/it could be a man….we all know how enamored the left is with transvestites and other abnormalities of life…. Not that there’s anything wrong wth that!!

KimmyQueen July 13, 2010 at 8:21 am

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LOL. Obama seems to like A LITTLE TOO MUCH being surrounded by lesbians and abnormals. Doesn’t he?

JJJRO July 13, 2010 at 1:33 pm

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HOLY CRAP! You’re right! That’s Martin Short!

DJ July 13, 2010 at 9:59 pm

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@ Sam 5:45pm…”Can you provide me with a study that suggests the US has the highest quality of life?”

No one can define ‘the highest quality of life’, as it is all relative. But I’m pretty sure all those people from the 222 OTHER countries on this planet that come here (legally & illegally) are convinced that it does indeed offer the highest quality of life.

And I’m not talking about the obvious reasons why someone from Sudan would come here, but the people from ‘first world’ countries (your words) like Switzerland, Norway, Canada, the UK etc, to become United States citizens.

Sam July 13, 2010 at 10:43 pm

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I moved to the US because both my wife and I have larger salaries here than in Canada, but it’s a sacrifice because our quality of life is worse off. So as soon as we have kids we’re moving back to raise them in a much better country to live in. Yes, there are tradeoffs – but quality of life wins out in the end. New York starting salaries of 160k double those of Toronto but it’s a crap way to live. As is having the poverty that exists here, and the poor quality of roads and infrastructure, and the general tension that exists here that doesn’t exist in Canada.

And sure, measuring quality of life is somewhat subjective, but the fact that the US doesn’t crack the top 10 of most lists ought to be telling you something.

Mistella July 14, 2010 at 2:02 am

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Finally, the truth emerges. So Sam, you come here to the land of opportunity for money and DARE to question our methods? You’ll endure (and subject your wife) to our terrible system for money? That makes you a friggin’ whore – and you are pimping your wife.

This is PRECISELY what makes the USA a better country – people come HERE for opportunity. They come HERE from all over the world, just like you. Many come here, take what they want, send the rest “home” and then have the audacity to complain about life in America – just like you. You always want examples, well here’s one for you. Look in the mirror to see a pompous, dim witted, phony whore. I believe the psychological term is projection. However, I never finished high school, so what do I know? I’m just a stupid American that has made a few million in his career. I’ve traveled much of the world, and SOME places do SOME things better than the USA. But overall, they still come here for opportunity. Even you Sam.

Give a man (woman, TV, CD, or whatever) enough rope and they will hang themselves. Admin, I say it’s time we send this blowhard away – for good. I for one am tired of reading his never ending babble. But, it’s your site and being a capitalist I shall allow you to run things your way, unlike this Canadian phony.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 4:23 am

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Wow, what a shortsighted comment that makes absolutely no sense! I thought you were an American capitalist. Our actions ought to be applauded by you but instead you think trying to make as much money as possible is being a prostitute. I think you need to figure our where you stand on capitalism.

Making money in a self-interested way is not incompatible with wanting a large social welfare system. And doing something in the short-term which isn’t as desirable so one can do the things one really wants is pretty normal. Most of the guys I know in finance hate it and are doing it for a few years while they save up for what they want to do.

It’s funny that you make the assumption that I made my wife come here, when it was her suggestion, half her family lives here, and she thinks it’s best for the both of us long term (just as I do). I guess you’re just angry and are resorting to making up stuff….

drb July 14, 2010 at 4:39 am

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Making money in a self-interested way is not incompatible with wanting a large social welfare system.

Oh yes it is… You make money in a self-interested way, you want to keep it to use as you please, in your own self-interest. To want a large social welfare system is to want to tell others how they can use the money they earned by taxing those who actually produce to provide for those who consume. That is not to say that capitalist cannot be charitable, they most certainly can. But charity given to help those in need is voluntary. Taxing people to provide for others by force is legalized theft. I punishes hard work and poductivity and rewards laziness and in some cases even idleness.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 4:43 am

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That’s a very American way of seeing social welfare. The way that the successful social welfare countries see it is that it is cheaper and better in the long run to have more programs. In Canada we don’t have the crime that the US has so we don’t have to pay to have as much police. In turn that money is spent in a variety of ways: keeping the mentally ill housed and cared for so they don’t commit crime or hurt people, keeping people employed so they don’t commit crime, etc.

drb July 14, 2010 at 4:57 am

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Great, Sam! Looks like you found the country for you. Need help packing?

drb July 14, 2010 at 4:28 am

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So as soon as we have kids we’re moving back to raise them in a much better country to live in.

Why wait?

C. Strasburger July 14, 2010 at 5:35 am

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Sammy, not only are they incompatible, but you are proving your to be a complete hypocrite. Socialism is not about self interest, but the interest of the collective. I think now I am not objecting anymore to the comments made earlier about your being a whore.

And, you obviously don’t realize that whatever Canada’s successes are, are directly tied to the US economy, and always have been. As the US goes down, so does Canada. It took the US to prop up the entire world. Canada has done little, if anything to contribute to the world’s economy. The US contributes to the world economy like no other country in the world can. The US is more charitable than any country in the world. I am sure that you love the UN…..but there would be no UN without the US, as the largest, by far, contributor to that inept and corrupt organization.

Go away….you aren’t winning any arguments.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 5:52 am

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Social policies are not incompatible with capitalism. That is an American myth. This myth suggests that social programs promote laziness and inefficient work. Canada is doing extremely well right now and will soon be working with a surplus. You can want social programs for self-interested reasons when you learn that these programs make your life better off. We don’t have lower crime just by chance – it’s because of government social policies. People like to feel safe and they are happy to pay for it. It’s much better living with people you trust rather than paying police to keep watch.

Why don’t I realize that markets are intertwined? Yes, we are an export nation but we do control our own policies. That’s why we didn’t have the subprime crisis because we know that some financial regulation is needed. That’s why we have the strongest banking system in the world.

Celt July 14, 2010 at 4:31 am

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“I moved to the US because both my wife and I have larger salaries here than in Canada,”

You parasitical piece of sh*t. Get your sorry fu*king ass back to Canada, and take your equally parasitical libtard wife with you.

You lousy s.o.b you have the gall to come here, like those lousy scum from India, etc. The ones who get the loans, buy up the conveninace stores, are given the cush jobs, rake in the bucks, and then run back to their respective countries after bashing America.

You need a good ass kicking Sam the Whore, that’s exactly what scum like you need.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 4:40 am

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The reason we’re hired is that we’re smarter and more skilled than you. There is no other reason. It’s a lot easier for an American company to hire someone from the US but we’re brought in because we’re better. We speak 4 languages, we are friendly and work hard. Get with the program. I thought you were a capitalist. It’s a global world my friend and you’re falling behind. Should the US close its doors? That wouldn’t be a very capitalist opinion now would it. You don’t like competition because you can’t keep up.

drb July 14, 2010 at 4:56 am

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The reason we’re hired is that we’re smarter and more skilled than you.

arrogant

Sam July 14, 2010 at 4:59 am

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Can you give me a reason why we would be hired instead of an American? Do you not understand how the market works?

drb July 14, 2010 at 5:08 am

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most of the time its because you are cheaper.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 5:12 am

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Not here, actually it’s the opposite in our case. When American companies access cheap labour it’s usually done through outsourcing, not bringing someone in.

C. Strasburger July 14, 2010 at 5:12 am

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Sam, NY IS Crap! THere is the problem. One of the most corrupt mismanaged states in the US, by far. The interesting thing is that you live in one of the most “socialist” states, that and California, where the taxes are high, but the level of services you are supposed to be paying for you don’t get due to being misappropriated to social programs.

Try a different state…like Texas for example…or Florida (though Florida is a crap job market) where the people are nice, the state is solvent, the roads are good, plenty of jobs and the benefits high….high because it is very Conservative state.

Having spent a fair amount of time in Canada, I like it there too….but why is it that most wealthier Canadians and retirees come to the states to get their healthcare services? Don’t argue that point, Sam, I lived in Florida for many years and certain times of the year there were nothing but Canucks there…and you could not get a doctors or dentists appt unelss it were a life threatening situation. Your Canadian social welfare programs are also, factually, bankrupting Canada. You know that….

drb July 14, 2010 at 5:16 am

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Sam, you are beginning to bore me. I got work to do.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 5:21 am

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The reason there are a lot of Canadians in Florida is because it’s hot. The Canadian weather is something we can’t change so a lot of old people spend their winters in the south of the US because we don’t need visas and it’s warm.

The reason some Canadians go to the US for healthcare is because there can be waits for elective procedures so if you don’t want to wait and can pay for it then people choose to do it in the US. The Canadian public health system needs to be reformed but not scrapped. There are a number of ways to make it more efficient (like allowing those to pay to jump a line, but they will pay a premium) and some user fees. Politically Canadians are very attached to healthcare so it is difficult to get these reforms through. The system is sustainable but some reforms will have to be made.

Dentists are private in Canada and not covered by public health so you might have some wrong information there.

C. Strasburger July 14, 2010 at 5:53 am

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Smarter, more skilled, make more money (and you brought that up little man – not me) and you don’t own any real property? Really? I thought you said you are smarter and more skilled?

And before you go down that rathole I know you will likely go down, although you don’t have to own a home (or in my case, 3, now) to be smart, most smart people know how to invest their money. I do it in real estate, and my businesses…all in my own self interest. I make myself and my shareholders money, and stopped working for others a long time ago, because I could. Because we all can in this country. You see, if there weren’t people like me, you wouldn’t have a job. If you were so smart, why were you not able to get a job in wonderful Canada? Or, maybe start your own company?

Apparently not….on either count.

Sam, please go away…you are giving all Canadians a bad name.

Sam July 14, 2010 at 6:06 am

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If you read my posts, you would know that starting my own business lead to me being here. I’m 30 years old (22 years younger than you) and I don’t own property in NY because capital gains taxes for foreigners are super high in the US so as a short term investment (as you know we aren’t staying forever) it doesn’t make sense.

So are you saying if there weren’t people like us others wouldn’t have jobs? What’s your point? That’s how the market works.

C. Strasburger July 14, 2010 at 6:43 am

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So…..starting a business lead you to the states to work for someone else? Really…..? Sounds like a huge success! Congratulations…..

I thought you said you were smart? And I’ve read every ridiculous post you’ve made with great interest….and not once did you refer to your success in business that lead you here to America, to work for others…..what you have done is unequivocally proven your complete lack of competence in all things economic.

Sam, having read all your posts, you really don’t have the experience or qualifications to discuss economics with me, nor most anyone else on this site. You can go to any other bankrupt liberal site and espouse your misguided beliefs and you will very likely get a rousing entre…but here, in the real world, you have no credibility….liberals never do…not in the real world….

Sam July 14, 2010 at 7:01 am

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I sold the business to take a job with pretty awesome pay so that my wife and I could both be doing things we enjoyed. I value having a strong marriage and a happy family more than money so we try and balance things as best we can.

It’s funny how people here like to talk about “the real world”. What makes you any more qualified than me to talk about finance and economics? Making these kinds of statements is funny because they’re just fluff. You could say “you have no idea what you’re talking about because….”

Please tell me why you never see the US ranking at the top of any quality of life list. Tell me why, if I make in the top 1% of Americans why I’m doing things wrong.

C. Strasburger July 14, 2010 at 8:26 am

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So….you sold your “successful” business that many dream of, so you could take a job, working for someone else, and in America (that most terrible of places) of all places….interesting, Sammy boy, interesting.

You are not qualified to discuss economics with me or anyone else (save perhaps a liberal do/know nothing) because you obviously did not know how to make your own venture work….that is all about economics, the real world kind. Something you clearly do not grasp.

And, I don’t have to provide you with anything, Sam, relative the quality of life or anything else….I have the real world experience of living it…..your credibility is non-existent…..

Me? I love my country (except for the current and outgoing 1 term regime….if you don’t, then get out. I have tired of playing with you.

Sam July 15, 2010 at 1:22 pm

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If you love your country why are you on here complaining all the time?

Mistella July 14, 2010 at 8:06 am

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Canadians – gotta love ‘em. I owned several businesses in Florida and the joke among the workers was “Canadians leave home with a fresh shirt and a fresh $20 and they never change either one.” This goes double for the frogs… sorry, I mean the French Canooks. Talented servers refuse to serve them because they don’t tip and are so very demanding.

I have several friends in the space industry. Without exception, they worked for Canadian companies when they retired – at twice their usual salary. Seems the great and powerful Canadian educational system cannot produce the engineering talent these companies need.

What’s the difference between a canoe and a Canadian? (Drumroll)

The canoe will actually tip.

hudson duster July 14, 2010 at 10:35 am

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Sam is typical of a certain breed of lib/prog Canadian; they define themselves by their deep belief in their superiority to the Americans, but when a few extra bucks are offered they desert their country instantly. Don’t misunderstand me, it’s his right, but I fail to see why he cops a self-righteous attitude about it. yeah, the American dream sucks according to him, but that’s where he goes.
Mistella, I suspect you’re justifiably pissed about Sam. Although the comment on the educational system was just plain stupid; are you looking closely at what’s happening in your system?
AS for your friends: yes, I think you have many friends in the “space industry’ making just zillions of collars. Yeah. Uh, huh.
And, I think Sam is actually a lib/left guy living in a basement apartment in Toronto.

DJ July 14, 2010 at 7:23 pm

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“Sam is typical of a certain breed of lib/prog Canadian; they define themselves by their deep belief in their superiority to the Americans, but when a few extra bucks are offered they desert their country instantly.”

Yes and they are deeply loathed by their fellow Canadians for deserting their country for the American dollar and have not paid into their system for years, even decades. They do not become American citizens and then they go home to retire and reap all the social programs that they did not pay into.

As so far as the supreme Canadian health care system…yeah, that’s working real well for those in BC (and other territories, I suppose). What Sam doesn’t mention is the generous, pro-immigration policies that the government has implemented…”WE WANT FOREIGNERS TO COME TO CANADA!”
Right now, BC (Vancouver) has overcrowded nursing homes and schools filled to the brim with Asians. The scam goes something like this: Mom and Dad bring their brood and 19 other shirt-tail relatives from Asia, put grandma & grandpa in a nursing home, enroll the kids in school, have auntie take care of them, collect welfare, etc and go back to Asia to live/work and do not pay into the Canadian system. They are sucking it dry in the areas that have very high immigrant populations.

My doc is from Canada…he left and became a US citizen because he said he refused to live in a country that did not value the time and money that he invested in his education…that and six of his classmates did the same! That is why Canada has a doctor brain drain, but then, Sam knows that.

Sam, you don’t say how long you’ve been in the US, but surely you must know that as a foreigner, you really have no right to criticize your host country, ESPECIALLY in the political arena. That is something that I’m sure is not unique to the United States. However, become a citizen and have at it!

C. Strasburger July 15, 2010 at 5:26 am

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People like Sam are why American really don’t like Canadians. DJ, you forgot to mention too the influx of Muslims into Canada using the system they’ve not paid for, as is true as well of Europe. Sam also failed to mention it. Must really be awesome to provide so many with services on the taxpayers dollar… Mosques pop up virtually everyday…subjecting the Candian people to that truly annoying call to prayer 4 times per day…heard it way too many times in Europe and in the Middle East, and it is truly, truly annoying. And now so close to our borders….add to that this bunch of madmen that are desperately trying to get one built at Ground Zero… The encroachment worldwide is intentiional…it is called the Silent Jihad. It must just be for Canada’s wonderful hell-thcare system. Aren’t we all looking forward to it hear as well?

Due to our PC policies in this country, America may be doomed to the same impending fate as Canada, and the whole of Europe….though I digress…..

Sam July 15, 2010 at 1:27 pm

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Why does Canada have way lower crime rates than the US?

drb July 15, 2010 at 4:49 pm

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why are you still here

C. Strasburger July 15, 2010 at 5:02 pm

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because, ultimately, losers most always ultimately tire of hanging with nothing but other losers all the time……eventually, they begin to come around……….at least the ones that can actually think for themselves……the problem is, there are so few that can……I think our friend Sam due to his own convoluted thinking finally, is coming around…but then, he IS Canadien….so…..

KimmyQueen July 16, 2010 at 9:01 am

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I really don’t want to talk to you anymore, because you kind of suck, but the question has some intriguing possibilities to it. You are kind of a jerk and I really don’t want to encourage anymore conversation with you.

I wanted to be rude and say because Canadians don’t have crap that anyone else wants… but I am not going to be rude.

Overall that is a good question actually IF TRUE as to why IF TRUE Canada crime rates (any and all crimes) are lower AGAIN IF TRUE than the US? Usually places with low (comparatively speaking) crime rates states or countries are places where the legal law abiding citizens are not restricted and are even ENCOURAGED to pack heat. Is that the case in Canada? (somehow I don’t think so). Is it population number lower than in the US (that may be a reason). So it would be nice for someone (I don’t have the time I must admit) to find out FIRST if it is the truth because you ONCE AGAIN failed to provide proof of your statement/question and second if it is truth to provide reasonable explanations as to what that may be.

kb July 16, 2010 at 9:51 am

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Could it be our liberal immigration or should I say illegal immegration policies?