“I’ll take “Name Your Favorite Baseball Player” for $2000, Alex”

by editor on April 8, 2010

When baseball announcer and former player Rob Dibble asked President Obama, who claims to be a huge White Sox fan, to name his favorite player, the President sounded as if he needed his teleprompter.

Dibble: “Having played with the White Sox for a short time, I know how the Cubs fans and White Sox fans go back and forth. Who was one of your favorite White Sox players growing up?”

Obama: “You know uh ….. I … I thought that … uh …. you know … the truth is a lot of the Cubs I like too! But, uh … I did not become a Sox fan until I moved to Chicago. Because I uh …. I was growing up in Hawaii so I ended up actually being an Oakland A’s fan.”

So the President of the United States, who claims to be a huge White Sox fan, stuttered and stammered and couldn’t name a single White Sox player.

As baseball fans, we find ourselves forced to call bullshit on the President. He got caught doing that politician thing by claiming to be something he’s clearly not. No real baseball fan would have to hesitate for a moment before naming his favorite player. Ask George Will the same question and see how quickly he answers.

For example, the editor of IHateTheMedia.com can still name the starting line-up and most of the rest of the roster from the 1959 Los Angeles Dodgers (who, coincidentally, defeated Obama’s Chicago White Sox in the World Series).

Off the top of my head:

Catcher – Johnny Roseboro
First Base – Gil Hodges
Second Base – Charlie Neal
Shortstop – Don Zimmer
Third Base – Jim Gilliam
Left Field – Wally Moon
Center Field – Duke Snider
Right Field – Carl Furillo
Starting Pitchers – Don Drysdale, Johnny Podres, Roger Craig, Stan Williams
Relief Pitchers – Clem Lebine, Johnny Klippstein, Larry Sherry, Danny McDevitt, Sandy Koufax
One Additional Player – Rip Repulski, my all-time favorite baseball name

This is not a complete list and it may not be perfect. I only named 18 of the 25 players and probably misspelled a couple of them and may even be wrong a time or two.

Fact is, real baseball fans can easily reel off the names of their favorite players on their favorite team. Those names are emblazoned forever in our minds, probably crowding out far more valuable information.

That doesn’t make real baseball fans smarter than the President. Just more honest.

{ 38 comments… read them below or add one }

James April 8, 2010 at 6:42 am

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He should have just answered “all of them”… Palin style :D

Necron_99 October 12, 2010 at 5:52 pm

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That whole exchange reminded me of all the old war movies where they capture an infiltrator who’s trying to pose as an American and start asking him sports questions in order to ascertain whether he lying or not… In Obongo’s case… he would have been summarily shot.

RKae April 8, 2010 at 8:18 am

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At least he kept his stammering embarrassment of an answer under 17 minutes this time.

What a buffoon. Why must politicians pretend to be sports fans? If I was in (or running for) office and I was asked such a question, I would answer honestly, “Gee, I don’t follow sports closely enough to know any names. Music is more my thing. Now, if you like, I’ll name all of Frank Zappa’s drummers for you!”

Damn it! People would LOVE to see a politician who’s genuine!

matthew s harrison April 8, 2010 at 9:31 am

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1984 Detroit Tigers World Series Roster

Cance Parrish-C
Dave Bergman 1b
Sweet Lou Whitaker 2b
Alan Trammel SS
Howard Johnson 3b
Larry Herndon LF
Chet Lemon CF
Kirk Gibson RF(cause he had a rag arm by then
if I remember right Darrell Evans DH’d the game I was at,
Jack Morris went the distance that day-AT hit 2 dingers and a couple
other big hits(I think a single and a triple!
I remember goose gossage and craig lefferts pitched for SD-and I think Show started the game and thus got the loss.
The next game was the the “great” one-as I remember Gibby hit 2 hr’s and lance parrish hit one too! Aurelio Lopez won it(game 5), though the starter was Petry, who struggled early on, thus clinching the World Series for the Tigers.
Jack Morris pitched 2 winning games in that series-going the distance both times-a feat that I think only a few pitchers have done before/since.
Point is-I know baseball, because I actually love the game-and the Tigers are my team…even though they have sucked since I was a child, and since 84 have, for the most part sucked……The White Sox on the other hand have won a recent world series title-2005-a dark year for Cubs fans. Barry has to know a few names who were on that team-seriously-you would have to never see the news, ever, living in chicago, to not know a few of their players’ names!
I absolutely despise the Sox-yet, off the top of my head, I can name some of their guys who gave the Cubs headaches that year-like Mark Buehrle who hits a lot of dingers, AJ Pierzynski-who got in a major fight with a cub at home plate, Jon Garland who is a gorilla, Joe Crede who is a brilliant infielder, Jermaine Dye who can hit the ball to jupiter, and any idiot who lived in Chicago during that time, cannot forget the cry baby antics of one Frank Thomas!
Come on Barry- there’s no lying in baseball!

Glen April 8, 2010 at 9:41 am

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Here is an easy one for the President: Frank Thomas

danybhoy October 13, 2010 at 1:06 pm

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My guess is Obama should love the 1919 White Sox club, you know, the “Black Sox” club that “threw” the 1919 World Series in a gambling scandal. The Sox lost the best of 9(not a typo)because the fix was in, so the fact that the 1919 White Sox were a corrupt club tells me that it is the type of team Obama would get behind.

Corruption in Chicago? Who would believe it?

KimmyQueen April 8, 2010 at 4:51 pm

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I am not into baseball but if you are going to wear the cap at the wrong time and place to signal your loyalty to a team, it is completely stupid that you cannot name a favorite team player. The man is a serious idiot and a liar even on the most simple of things.

danybhoy October 12, 2010 at 6:28 pm

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Not even an old Rod Carew fan? From your homeland of Panama, & no love for him? Really KQ?

KimmyQueen October 13, 2010 at 3:55 pm

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Nah… I don’t know the team he played on (Atlanta Braves? or if he still plays), but I did go to the same church as Roberto Kelly’s father. That is pretty much my entire knowledge of baseball growing up. Overall though in all reality baseball has never done anything for me. :-)

danybhoy October 13, 2010 at 7:34 pm

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He played for the Minnesota Twins & the California Angels. Growing up watching the Twins as a kids, he was a big deal here. One of the best hitters in my lifetime.

KimmyQueen October 14, 2010 at 8:04 am

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That is awesome. If he was doing his thing in the 70′s and 80s that maybe a reason I dont know about him.

This is my new name April 11, 2010 at 12:04 am

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i dont know shit about baseball, but at least i dont pretend to

i just wish he claimed his favorite was someone renown as being the worst player on the team, that would have been gold, instead of just pathetic

Patrick Daugherty April 16, 2010 at 1:07 pm

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He was asked who his favorite White Sox player was growing up. He grew up mainly in Hawaii, among other places. He said in his answer that growing up in Hawaii, he was more a fan of the A’s. He did not move to Chicago and become a White Sox fan until he had become an adult. Therefore, it is unreasonable to expect him to name a player from a team at a time in which he was not a fan.

KimmyQueen April 16, 2010 at 3:38 pm

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If am not mistaken there are many people who have never lived in Chicago, yet been fans of the Chicago White Sox as a team either primary or secondary OR at least one or a few of the players throughout the years. WITH THAT SAID, you are right it is perhaps unreasonable for him to pick a person from youth seeing how he really grew up in Hawaii, Singapore, etc. Now what he could have said is that yes growing up I wasn’t a fan, however as I moved to Chicago and became a fan* my favorite player(s) is/are….

If he is going to wear the cap to demonstrate White Sox pride regardless of him not growing up knowing who was on the team at the time, he should know at least who is playing now and in the past 20 or so years that he has been living in Chicago that may have piqued his interest as a fan of the team in my humble opinion.

I used to be a fan of Manchester United (not anymore). Never lived in England, haven’t set foot in the country. I can name you 2 of my favorite players WHILE I was a fan: David Beckham and Roy Keane.

A fan would be able to name at least one player of their favorite team, regardless of them being anywhere near the place during the childhood or beyond.

*And as a fan one can presume he did some historical study on the team, visited the team’s museum(s) and spoke about the team with other people.

Patrick Daugherty April 16, 2010 at 6:22 pm

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You are not mistaken in your assessment that many people are fans of the White Sox who have never lived anywhere near Chicago. In response however, I must say that I don’t think that observation has any bearing on the issue. Are you faulting him for not being a White Sox fan in his youth while living in Hawaii?

Thanks for agreeing that it is perhaps unreasonable for him to pick a Sox player from the period of his youth before he became a fan, that is all I could hope to ask for.

All of your ideas as to what he should have said are fine. However, I can’t help but think that you and I have had a lot of time to sit around and think about a question he was asked and had to respond to at the spur of the moment. The fact is he was asked about Sox players from his youth, he did not know any, and he explained he was a A’s fan back then.

Why do you think he doesn’t know any current or recent players on the White Sox? Forgive me for being presumptuous, but I think you jumped to that conclusion without any evidence. Stating that he did not name any current players does not cut it as evidence because he was not asked about current players. I see no reason to believe that if he was asked about current players he could not name a few.

KimmyQueen April 17, 2010 at 6:59 am

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“In response however, I must say that I don’t think that observation has any bearing on the issue.” It does, what happened is that it punched a big hole right through your statement. You may not like it, but it bears quite heavily on the issue at hand. I will get into that in a minute if you please.

“Are you faulting him for not being a White Sox fan in his youth while living in Hawaii?” Uhm by that statement I can think that you either didn’t read my full comment or didn’t understand what I said, or you chose to ignore parts of my comment.

Regardless… if you re-read the statement I stated pretty clearly that yes asking the question as to his youth is perhaps unreasonable, but he has LIVED in Chicago for over 20 years and CLAIMS to be a fan of the team and I was specific on general meaning of what I fan means. In that time, he could have gathered enough information to present one or two players of a favorite team when asked. After all, he CHOSE to represent his fan sentiments by wearing the cap on a place that HAD NOTHING TO DO with the team. Regardless of not being there in his youth, by presenting himself as a fan, he could have said: “I grew up in Hawaii (and other places) so I do not have a youth favorite HOWEVER in all my years of living in Chicago I have come to admire (such and such person/people within the team).” I don’t think that is unreasonable. Not for a politician, not for the greatest speaker in history, certainly not for a fan.

—I mean he actually LIVED in the place, whereas as I mentioned there are fans of the Sox that HAVE NEVER LIVED in Chicago in their entirety of their lives. He has no excuses. There is no logical reason for him not to have a favorite player within the context of all said above AND considering it was his home for such a long time. That is the reason why I mentioned that fact that overall there are those who never lived in the place, have heard of the team and are even fans of the team/players… What is his excuse?—

So to answer your question, no I DO NOT fault him for not having a favorite player during his youth in Hawaii, possibly Africa and definetly Asia. He didn’t know that he would live in Chicago, nor do I fault the man for not knowing who they were at the time. The past is the past, I am talking about his time in Chicago which if he is a fan would have been enough time for him to come up with at least one player that he could state that he admired.

“Thanks for agreeing that it is perhaps unreasonable for him to pick a Sox player from the period of his youth before he became a fan, that is all I could hope to ask for.” You are welcome.

“All of your ideas as to what he should have said are fine. However, I can’t help but think that you and I have had a lot of time to sit around and think about a question he was asked and had to respond to at the spur of the moment. The fact is he was asked about Sox players from his youth, he did not know any, and he explained he was a A’s fan back then.”

I disagree. A fan is a fan. Ask any fan of ANYTHING and they can answer you appropriately about their fanhood when asked. If I go to Chelsea Stadium because I am asked to kick the ball first and I wear a Chelsea jersey, but wear Manchester United colors on my head or around my waist, then I go to the booth and looking at the Manchester United colors on my body, the guy asks me: “So who did you grew up liking at Manchester?” I would tell them exactly what my story is (living there not living there, youth fan not youth fan) but make sure to emphasize that regardless of the story or situation that I am in, I was a fan of David Beckham. Done. Period. One player. Perhaps the most obvious one, but the underlying question was who is your favorite, I answered. Turning aside from the youth part of the question, the MAIN point is who is your favorite… He couldn’t answer it. He sidestep and tapped danced around the main question of who is your favorite. THAT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM HERE.

The thing here is that he WASN’T EXPECTING THE QUESTION. That bothers me. Yes he answered as to the youth question, but again if he is going to wear the hat, one is to understand he is a fan, so the question was not unreasonable and the answer was less than stellar and considering that this is a politician who should be able to speak forcefully and with purpose AND he is supposedly a fan his answer leaves a lot to be desired.

“Why do you think he doesn’t know any current or recent players on the White Sox? Forgive me for being presumptuous, but I think you jumped to that conclusion without any evidence. Stating that he did not name any current players does not cut it as evidence because he was not asked about current players.”

The evidence is that he didn’t answer the underlying question: Who is your favorite? Sidestepping the youth question which is reasonable and understandable that he didn’t have favorites of Sox then, AS A FAN wearing a cap of that team in a place that has nothing to do with the team, he should have answered the underlying question. Any White Sox fan would have answered the underlying question REGARDLESS of the youth question. Regardless of not being SPECIFICALLY ASKED who is your favorite now any fan worth his mettled would say well not then but NOW my favorite is.

The guy assumed incorrectly that Obama was a baseball fan for all or most of his life, he assumed incorrectly that Obama is a baseball history fan for all or most of his life. That is true. He obviously thought that Obama was an overall baseball fan and a White Sox fan specifically. It is obvious by his answer that Obama is not a baseball history fan. Like a lot of guys that follow BASEBALL HISTORY he may have a Sox favorite (regardless of location or youth). That is not Obama’s case. It is obvious. However, I cannot blame the guy for asking the question because AGAIN is because Obama CHOSE to wear the team’s colors on the ground that had nothing to do with the team. He brought the question upon himself and couldn’t find a way to answer the underlying question of who is his favorite: either now or during his 20 years in Chicago. Simple, yet no answer came forth and one has to ask why?

“I see no reason to believe that if he was asked about current players he could not name a few.” Really? Let’s hope this happens again and let’s see if he is prepared next time. If he is good for him, but the truth is he wasn’t expecting the question which is weird considering the circumstances. If he is not considering the circumstances he has problems.

Are you a fan of anything? If you are a FAN of anything you should know where I am coming from. It seems you are a fan of Obama so that explains your defense of him which is admirable, yet if you go away from Obama for a few minutes and fixate on your fanhood on anything else I think you may see what I mean.

Sorry for the long post yikes…

Patrick Daugherty April 17, 2010 at 9:31 am

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Why are you faulting me as choosing to ignore, failing to read or understand your previous post when the amount of information you present in the follow up post is significantly more than the previous? That is analogous to a teacher handing out one chapter of a book to students, testing them on the whole book, and then faulting them for not having all the information. You will remember that your original post only stated in part, ‘if I am not mistaken there are many people who have never lived in Chicago yet have been fans of the Chicago White Sox either as primary or secondary or at least one or a few of the players throughout the years” to which I responded “are you faulting him for not being a white sox fan growing up in Hawaii?” If you truly use logic, you will understand that my response is a valid one to your statement. If you want to further expand on your idea, which you have done in the follow up post, in order to invalidate my response that is fine, but don’t accuse me of things which are not true. That is not a fair or valid method of arguing.
In conclusion, even though I did read through your post, and tried my best to understand it, I am sorry to say I did not see the part where your statement ‘punched a big hole’ through mine. It must be a fault on my part. That being said I maintain that my previous posts on the matter still hold up, and have failed to be refuted by what you have written.

KimmyQueen April 18, 2010 at 11:24 am

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“Why are you faulting me as choosing to ignore, failing to read or understand your previous post when the amount of information you present in the follow up post is significantly more than the previous?”

You asked: “Are you faulting him for not being a White Sox fan in his youth while living in Hawaii?”

I retorted: “Uhm by that statement I can think that you either didn’t read my full comment or didn’t understand what I said, or you chose to ignore parts of my comment.”

The reason for that retort was solely for the question that you asked. The reason as you stated “faulting” you (although I wouldn’t really use that word myself) is because the question was unnecessary as in my comment I was very specific that it is perhaps unreasonable to expect him to be a fan during his youth… then I went on to explain in more detail how that didn’t matter anyway if it was a youth favorite or not.

My second comment was longer because it seemed that my overall point was not picked up.

“That is analogous to a teacher handing out one chapter of a book to students, testing them on the whole book, and then faulting them for not having all the information.”

My point was very explicit in my first statement. However, your question and your comments seemed to indicate that you didn’t understand where I was coming from. I believe that your analogy is faulty, I am not testing you on anything. I am not teaching you anything. I am sharing my opinion on the matter and you are doing the same. We are just having a debate. A debate that you are at any time free to not participate in.

“You will remember that your original post only (only?) stated in part, ‘if I am not mistaken there are many people who have never lived in Chicago yet have been fans of the Chicago White Sox either as primary or secondary or at least one or a few of the players throughout the years” to which I responded “are you faulting him for not being a white sox fan growing up in Hawaii?”

RIGHT AFTER THAT PART (that you indicated above… right after the very next statement) I stated: “WITH THAT SAID, you are right it is perhaps unreasonable for him to pick a person from youth seeing how he really grew up in Hawaii, Singapore, etc.” Yet… interestingly enough, you thanked me for acknowledging that it is unreasonable, so why pose the question of my faulting him when I have already stated that EVEN THOUGH there are men (and women) that have never lived in Chicago and still as children may have had a Chicago favorite growing up, it is still perhaps unreasonable to expect him to have that fanhood for the team during his own youth?

It didn’t make sense. The answer to your question was answered even before you asked the question yet you still posed it as if you didn’t see it yet you did as you thanked me for it… (???)

“If you truly use logic, you will understand that my response is a valid one to your statement.”

Your question to my response is not valid, because the question was invalidated by my comment already as I stated above. If I posted that (regardless of other people’s fanhoods from youth), I agreed that it was unreasonable to expect the answer from youth from him, why ask me if I fault him for not being a fan while he was living in Hawaii? It doesn’t make sense. I cannot explain that any plainer. You asked a question that was already answered. By the statement I didn’t find fault with him not knowing the answer from youth, because I agreed that it is perhaps unreasonable on his particular case. He is obviously not a OVERALL baseball fan or baseball fan/historian. I cannot fault him for that.

“If you want to further expand on your idea, which you have done in the follow up post, in order to invalidate my response that is fine, but don’t accuse me of things which are not true.”

You may have understood what I meant, however by the question based on what I said above the only thing I could think of is that either you didn’t see it, or you didn’t want to see it. I don’t want to accuse of things that are not true, but I had to figure that something was amiss when the question was asked.

“I am sorry to say I did not see the part where your statement ‘punched a big hole’ through mine. It must be a fault on my part. That being said I maintain that my previous posts on the matter still hold up, and have failed to be refuted by what you have written.”

My statement of people knowing or having a favorite White Sox team member even though never lived in the city or state bared an issue, but I am not going to go through that again. If you don’t or can’t see it then can’t do anything about it.

If you believe that what I wrote makes no changes to your belief that Obama gets a passed then again there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Nice debating you. I do mean that. I enjoy debates very much. Go in peace and have a great weekend.

Patrick Daugherty April 18, 2010 at 1:00 pm

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First, you bring up the point that many people who have never lived in Chicago are white sox fans and have intimate knowledge of them. Then you immediately negate that statement by saying, ‘with that being said…etc’. So, if you immediately negate your first point, why did you even bring it up? Oh, that’s right, so you could later claim that it is something I choose to ignore and that it furthermore ‘punches a big hole’ through my statement. Then when I call you out on the stupidity of your statement with the perfectly logical retort of ‘are you faulting him…etc’ you start accusing me of not understanding the deep meanings of your almost incoherent ramblings. Why don’t you just admit that your overwhelming hatred for Obama made you originally respond like an idiot to this badly thought out article, and that when someone (me) finally came and pointed out the flaw in logic with the original article you were left looking foolish and you have been rambling a bunch of junk about what Obama should have said, and should have known ever since. “but I am not going to go through that again. If you don’t or can’t see it then can’t do anything about it.” What a pathetic cop-out. You throw up a bunch of bullshit about how you think Obama should have responded to a question, then because he did not answer the question the way YOU think he should have (by mentioning current players) you make the illogical conclusion that he doesn’t know anything about the sox and you think that qualifies as an intelligent retort that I just don’t get.
He was asked about favorite white sox players from his youth. He explained that he was an A’s fan back then. You can ramble on about how you think he should have responded, but Obama answered the question at hand adequately. All your conclusions regarding him not knowing current baseball players because he did not name any is tenuous to the extreme and the fact that you hold those opinions proves that your mind is extremely biased. By the way, before you accuse me of being an Obama fan again, I am not. I just happened upon this article while searching white sox and the glaring flare in logic begged to be addressed.

KimmyQueen April 18, 2010 at 1:51 pm

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You know what? I do enjoy debates a great deal and I was actually 5 paragraphs in response to this one. Then I saw that in your frustration you have already posted a second comment where you appear even more frustrated and angry. You seem too angry to be a person that I would bother debate with any longer. I posted something that you don’t want nor like to agree upon because it presents a problem with your theory that he should be given a pass. This happens with a lot of Obama fans. It is what it is.

I like debates, but they have to be respectful and without anger in between. It is very difficult to keep the cool online, because in writing a lot of things get misrepresentated. I already said more than enough on this issue which in all reality is so not as important as the real issues at hand: unemployment, etc. It was interesting for a little while because in effect any real fan of anything would know what I mean. The debate is a tie even though I did present strong points that you never really refuted, you just wanted to attack me on the personal level for having the opinions that I had. I see that now.

You want to be angry because you like Obama and you want to give him a pass yet someone did present points that makes his position not very strong fine, however I am in no condition to continue to fuel the anger. I myself will not get angry with a person I do not know and then start with the ad hominem attacks. That is not my style. It was nice debating you but it is getting tiresome and boring. I was very explicit on all my comments. I never negated myself I presented two true statements an in one hand and in the other hand presentation, which is valid in most intelligent conversations. I really don’t have the time nor I care to read the rest of your posts. As far as I am concerned this is the last I am going to say on this matter.

Have a nice week.

Patrick Daugherty April 18, 2010 at 1:35 pm

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Your response to my analogy made me chuckle. Oh, you are not a teacher? Really, you are not going to test me? Do yourself a favor and look up what an analogy is. They are neat. They are a NON-LITERAL way to describe something. Since you didn’t get it I guess I’ll have to explain it the long way.
1. You put out limited information in your first response post. (That would be handing out the first chapter)
2. I responded based upon your first response post.
(That would be taking the test)
3. You then accuse me of not understanding, reading, or worse, choosing to ignore parts of your first post BASED UPON information you provide for the first time in your second post.
(That would be faulting the students for doing bad on a test covering an entire book when you only provided the first chapter)

Patrick Daugherty April 17, 2010 at 1:37 pm

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In order to try to prove that I did read your post, I am going to attempt to summarize your main points from your last post.

1. Living in Chicago he had time to gather player information on the Sox. Non-Chicago fans who have knowledge of the sox are particularly damning to him.

2. He choose to wear a sox cap at a non-sox related game thereby making himself a target of white sox fan questions, and he should have expected this.

3. Being a fan, politician, and public speaker he should have answered the question more fully than he did even if it meant going out of the narrow scope of the question.

4. Being a fan is serious and if asked a question about your team you should respond in a certain way.

5. He does not know current players because he did not answer the underlying (but not specific) question of who his favorite player is.

6. He does not know baseball history as evidenced by his lack of providing a players name.

I hope that is everything and I stated it fairly. Hopefully you will forgive me if I didn’t get it all quite right seeing as your post that I drew this from was rather long.

KimmyQueen April 18, 2010 at 11:43 am

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It is fairly fair overall number four one don’t necessary need to answer or respond in a certain way. My answers are my own every other fan would have his own way to answer the question, however fans of anything tend to be very happy to share the information and knowledge they have gathered in their years of fanhood, especially when they proudly display the colors of the anything they are fans of. As for five it is my opinion that he doesn’t know players based on him not being able to name one. it is an opinion. He may know but he wasn’t expecting the question and fumbled and didn’t know how to answer it which is interesting. Thanks.

roxanne June 19, 2010 at 11:23 pm

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you go girl be honest do the research and remember when your in the public eye the game is on…

KimmyQueen October 12, 2010 at 2:54 pm

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Right that is all I am saying. If he is going to make a statement the least he can do is find out about it in case he is asked. Considering how incredible smart he is you would think he would have done that.

KimmyQueen April 17, 2010 at 6:59 am

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“In response however, I must say that I don’t think that observation has any bearing on the issue.” It does, what happened is that it punched a big hole right through your statement. You may not like it, but it bears quite heavily on the issue at hand. I will get into that in a minute if you please.

“Are you faulting him for not being a White Sox fan in his youth while living in Hawaii?” Uhm by that statement I can think that you either didn’t read my full comment or didn’t understand what I said, or you chose to ignore parts of my comment.

Regardless… if you re-read the statement I stated pretty clearly that yes asking the question as to his youth is perhaps unreasonable, but he has LIVED in Chicago for over 20 years and CLAIMS to be a fan of the team and I was specific on general meaning of what I fan means. In that time, he could have gathered enough information to present one or two players of a favorite team when asked. After all, he CHOSE to represent his fan sentiments by wearing the cap on a place that HAD NOTHING TO DO with the team. Regardless of not being there in his youth, by presenting himself as a fan, he could have said: “I grew up in Hawaii (and other places) so I do not have a youth favorite HOWEVER in all my years of living in Chicago I have come to admire (such and such person/people within the team).” I don’t think that is unreasonable. Not for a politician, not for the greatest speaker in history, certainly not for a fan.

—I mean he actually LIVED in the place, whereas as I mentioned there are fans of the Sox that HAVE NEVER LIVED in Chicago in their entirety of their lives. He has no excuses. There is no logical reason for him not to have a favorite player within the context of all said above AND considering it was his home for such a long time. That is the reason why I mentioned that fact that overall there are those who never lived in the place, have heard of the team and are even fans of the team/players… What is his excuse?—

So to answer your question, no I DO NOT fault him for not having a favorite player during his youth in Hawaii, possibly Africa and definetly Asia. He didn’t know that he would live in Chicago, nor do I fault the man for not knowing who they were at the time. The past is the past, I am talking about his time in Chicago which if he is a fan would have been enough time for him to come up with at least one player that he could state that he admired.

“Thanks for agreeing that it is perhaps unreasonable for him to pick a Sox player from the period of his youth before he became a fan, that is all I could hope to ask for.” You are welcome.

“All of your ideas as to what he should have said are fine. However, I can’t help but think that you and I have had a lot of time to sit around and think about a question he was asked and had to respond to at the spur of the moment. The fact is he was asked about Sox players from his youth, he did not know any, and he explained he was a A’s fan back then.”

I disagree. A fan is a fan. Ask any fan of ANYTHING and they can answer you appropriately about their fanhood when asked. If I go to Chelsea Stadium because I am asked to kick the ball first and I wear a Chelsea jersey, but wear Manchester United colors on my head or around my waist, then I go to the booth and looking at the Manchester United colors on my body, the guy asks me: “So who did you grew up liking at Manchester?” I would tell them exactly what my story is (living there not living there, youth fan not youth fan) but make sure to emphasize that regardless of the story or situation that I am in, I was a fan of David Beckham. Done. Period. One player. Perhaps the most obvious one, but the underlying question was who is your favorite, I answered. Turning aside from the youth part of the question, the MAIN point is who is your favorite… He couldn’t answer it. He sidestep and tapped danced around the main question of who is your favorite. THAT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM HERE.

The thing here is that he WASN’T EXPECTING THE QUESTION. That bothers me. Yes he answered as to the youth question, but again if he is going to wear the hat, one is to understand he is a fan, so the question was not unreasonable and the answer was less than stellar and considering that this is a politician who should be able to speak forcefully and with purpose AND he is supposedly a fan his answer leaves a lot to be desired.

“Why do you think he doesn’t know any current or recent players on the White Sox? Forgive me for being presumptuous, but I think you jumped to that conclusion without any evidence. Stating that he did not name any current players does not cut it as evidence because he was not asked about current players.”

The evidence is that he didn’t answer the underlying question: Who is your favorite? Sidestepping the youth question which is reasonable and understandable that he didn’t have favorites of Sox then, AS A FAN wearing a cap of that team in a place that has nothing to do with the team, he should have answered the underlying question. Any White Sox fan would have answered the underlying question REGARDLESS of the youth question. Regardless of not being SPECIFICALLY ASKED who is your favorite now any fan worth his mettled would say well not then but NOW my favorite is.

The guy assumed incorrectly that Obama was a baseball fan for all or most of his life, he assumed incorrectly that Obama is a baseball history fan for all or most of his life. That is true. He obviously thought that Obama was an overall baseball fan and a White Sox fan specifically. It is obvious by his answer that Obama is not a baseball history fan. Like a lot of guys that follow BASEBALL HISTORY he may have a Sox favorite (regardless of location or youth). That is not Obama’s case. It is obvious. However, I cannot blame the guy for asking the question because AGAIN is because Obama CHOSE to wear the team’s colors on the ground that had nothing to do with the team. He brought the question upon himself and couldn’t find a way to answer the underlying question of who is his favorite: either now or during his 20 years in Chicago. Simple, yet no answer came forth and one has to ask why?

“I see no reason to believe that if he was asked about current players he could not name a few.” Really? Let’s hope this happens again and let’s see if he is prepared next time. If he is good for him, but the truth is he wasn’t expecting the question which is weird considering the circumstances. If he is not considering the circumstances he has problems.

Are you a fan of anything? If you are a FAN of anything you should know where I am coming from. It seems you are a fan of Obama so that explains your defense of him which is admirable, yet if you go away from Obama for a few minutes and fixate on your fanhood on anything else I think you may see what I mean.

Sorry for the long post yikes…

Patrick Daugherty April 20, 2010 at 12:24 am

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Hey Kimmyqueen, there was no reply to this comment at the end of your last post so I’m doing this instead.
Wow, your holding the fact that I put up two comments before you replied as a knock against me. That’s the kind of rational thinking that has resulted in all of your bad arguments in this thread. At least I break mine up into easy to digest nuggets based upon breaks in gist of ideas.
Pardon me for being a little frustrated and angry, but that happens when you are ‘debating’ with someone who makes zero good points yet thinks they have the debating skills to turn the Pope into a Buddhist.
Oh, whose the angry one, whose the angry one? Go on, look at your very first post on this thread, go on. Did you see, did you see? Who called someone a liar, idiot, a serious idiot. You did, that’s right, you did. Your the angry one, yes you are, your the angry one. (written using the voice I talk to my dog in)
Oh, I’m the one who wanted to give him a pass? There was nothing to give him a pass on in this instance. You and whoever wrote this article are making up a bullshit reason for dogging on Obama.
You keep on mentioning this magical argument that you have made somewhere that is so good it wins this ‘debate’ yet I’m just not understanding it, or I’m choosing to ignore it. Please, just tell me, what the hell is it. I would really like to know. Alas, because I am not a fan of anything, I guess I just won’t get your super special ‘fans only’ argument. Poor me :-( By the way, you called me an Obama fan, and then you wrote that a fan of anything would get what you mean. I don’t get that. Oh, maybe you mean Obama isn’t anything! Oh, snap! He got burned!
Ya, you go work on all the important issues, like unemployment. I’m sure you’ll work real hard leaving a bunch of important stupid Obama, Obama’s stupid posts on articles regarding all the important issues.

roxanne June 19, 2010 at 11:30 pm

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the bottom line is you are a obama supporter and yes thats your choice but you lol dont have to get all grammar school techincal about a question YOUR president didnt answer…at the end of the day who the hell cares? he has more important issues to deal with than baseball with that being said im sure he can name at 3 of the L.A. LAKER players lol okay thats not nice ill stop…RELAX…me and my boyfriend would be having make up sex after this heated disscussion

KimmyQueen October 12, 2010 at 2:55 pm

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Exactly this guy is an Obama supporter and doesn’t want anyone to speak ill of him… right it his choice, but he took it too personally and the conversation went on another tangent after a while. Obama looked like an idiot and as time went on we have come to see how much of an idiot he really is.

Regardless of not having a favorite growing up, he could have named someone he likes now or by the time he came to like the Sox. It was a simple question that he could have used to his advantage to show how knowledgeble he is of the team in general. “Growing up the Sox werent my team however once I came to like them I have come to like such and such a person…” instead we got uhm and ahs and he wasn’t able to deal with a simple question. It is sad.

SkyCap October 12, 2010 at 11:06 am

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Whoah, I came across this post in a search for “Obama White Sox,” so a lot of people are going to stumble across it.

Ironically, this site is called “I hate the media,” yet the post employs the worst media tricks to make Obama look bad. The writer states that Obama “cannot name his favorite player.” I had to read it a few times before I realized that the question he was asked was “GROWING UP.”

Say what you will about the President, but he is not a stupid man. He answered the question. He did not have a favorite White Sock growing up because he wasn’t into the team at the time. What’s not fair about that? I’m from NYC, and I became a fan of Tampa Bay just this year. If you asked me who was on the team five years ago, I wouldn’t have a clue (heck, they didn’t even exist when I was growing up).

So yeah, I hate the media too.

editor October 12, 2010 at 11:42 am

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Another satisfied customer!

danybhoy October 12, 2010 at 6:35 pm

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SkyCap, this site does’nt need tricks to make Obama look sh!tty, he does a great job of looking sh!tty on his own. This guy will rank at the bottom of Presidential rankings forever, he peaks at 45, & goes down 1 with each election. Plus whoever come next will look that much better because they will be cleaning up after Obama & his cock-ups.

SkyCap October 19, 2010 at 8:30 am

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Danybhoy, whatever you want to say about Obama’s politics, fine. I didn’t post because I want to debate his policies. I posted because the headline is misleading, the facts are murky, and, in fact, epitomize everything that’s wrong with bad reporting.

I wonder if perhaps some of the other information contributing to your opinion on Obama is based on equally shoddy propaganda?

Necron_99 October 19, 2010 at 11:18 am

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“…the headline is misleading, the facts are murky, and, in fact, epitomize everything that’s wrong with bad reporting.”

Wow!!! You just described MSNBC, Huff-po, Daily Kos, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Wiki… plus Robert Gibbs, the DNC & Obongo’s propaganda machine, and pretty much every leftist/libtard ‘news’ organ available.

J.P. Travis November 14, 2010 at 2:21 am

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Okay, everybody, notice that the White House has managed to remove another video showing the president’s lack of physical coordination and stupidity from the Internet. They did it with the YouTube video of his high school basketball game, too. Unbelievable. How sensitive is this guy? He’s PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and worrying about YouTube videos.

koochman July 16, 2011 at 8:00 pm

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Astounding to me how much time you folks have on your hands. Or maybe you are just superfast keyboarders.
I love the guy who gives the definition of a fan. You crack me up man.
Question: I know the words to most of the Rolling Stones songs, but can’t name all the members of the group. Am I a fan? Should I be ashamed? If I ran for President would that expose me as a fake and/or disqualify me? Is it OK for me to wear my Stones concert T-shirt?

FormerlyDeanH July 16, 2011 at 8:12 pm

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Considering this thread started in April 2010 and hasn’t had an entry in 6 months or more it is obvious you’ve been too busy to read much of it. Now get back to what you were doing.

KimmyQueen July 17, 2011 at 10:33 am

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I know right? Everyone has moved on and he accuses US of having too much time in our hands?! LOLOLOLOL hilarious!