Uh-oh: Obama repeatedly screams “WTF” after public lecture by Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu

by editor on June 14, 2011

The guy who’s supposed to be the coolest President is history lost his cool after being publicly humiliated by Benjamin Netanyahu.

This is our favorite story of the week. Maybe the month. Hands down. Nothing else even comes close.

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"What the f@ck! What the f@ck! What the f@ck!" Not exactly "Four score and seven years ago," but probably the best we can expect from this President

NewsFavor has details of  the President’s outburst:

Shortly after the photo-op meeting and “working lunch” with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the one that saw President Obama openly chastised by the Prime Minister for Obama’s earlier public comments regarding wanting to see Israel return to its 1967 borders, the president verbally “went off” on Richard Daley in the private study area that adjoins the Oval Office. President Obama’s verbal attack was clearly heard by numerous staff up and down the West Wing hallways.

The essence of the president’s rage and embarrassment can best be summed up with him yelling out very loudly, “What the f-ck was that!?” That phrase was apparently repeated a number of times in the span of about five minutes, a time period in which Obama’s voice became “louder and louder” and culminating in Obama exclaiming, “Never again! Do you understand me? Never again!” Any response by Bill Daley back to the president, if given, was not overheard.

Do you think anyone in the Obama administration sees the irony in Obama using the words “Never again!” in this situation?

Source: NewsFlavor.com

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Bunny Ole June 15, 2011 at 11:28 am

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haha i hate people who repeat the same phrase over and over when they’re angry or arguing. Saying it 30 times doesn’t make you seem smarter, it sounds low class and ghetto !! HAHAAA What a loser; little lord fauntleroy, stamping his foot in anger. He really does think somehow that he and his words are more important than anyone/anything. Because he is not the king of the world, other leaders aren’t “below” him. He’s such an arrogant elitist …. aaeerrrgggh !!

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 5:40 am

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haha i hate people who repeat the same phrase over and over when they’re angry or arguing. Saying it 30 times doesn’t make you seem smarter, it sounds low class and ghetto !!
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Sarah Palin uses the very same term in her inane tweets. She also tends to repeat some of her mantras ad nauseam, like “Drill baby drill.” Does THAT sound “ghetto” to you, too? Because Obama is no more a product of the ghetto than Palin is.

Now, let me see—-why would you have used the term “ghetto” in connection with Obama, but not with Palin? Shall we take a wild guess?

Ed June 16, 2011 at 7:19 am

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Oh, poor Olivia… Why do people always have to go there??? Shall we take a wild guess?

“Me thinks you protest too much!” -Shakespeare

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 12:00 pm

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Oh, poor Olivia… Why do people always have to go there??? Shall we take a wild guess?

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No need to. The fact is, I wouldn’t “go there,” if you hadn’t chosen to fling a racially charged (and bogus) insult.

Blame yourself, not me, for your own poor judgment.

satt1313 June 17, 2011 at 5:39 am

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WTF WTF WTF WTF What is up with the obsession with Sarah Palin? The I hate Palin crowd needs to get a life. I really hope Palin does run for office. Not because she may win but just to watch people go into spasms about it.

Olivia June 17, 2011 at 5:00 pm

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WTF WTF WTF WTF What is up with the obsession with Sarah Palin? The I hate Palin crowd needs to get a life. I really hope Palin does run for office. Not because she may win but just to watch people go into spasms about it.
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Are you kidding? We Democrats would LOVE to see Sarah Palin win the GOP nomination for president next year. Throw in Michelle Bachmann as VP candidate, and that would be the greatest Christmas present you could hand us.

Please, please, encourage her to run! :D

Big Al June 17, 2011 at 12:00 pm

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I don’t think that it is fair to use the word “ghetto”. A more apt description would be “he was raised like a Kenyan prince”.

Olivia June 17, 2011 at 5:07 pm

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I don’t think that it is fair to use the word “ghetto”. A more apt description would be “he was raised like a Kenyan prince”.

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…which shows how little you know about either Kenya or princes. And, of course, it shows that you know nothing at all about the president.

But, hey, keep repeating these ridiculous falsehoods 50,000 times, and who knows but that they might magically turn into the truth? It always seems to work for Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, right? ;)

BigSoph July 18, 2011 at 12:36 pm

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The term ghetto refers to lower class urban speaking styles.

Marshall Mathers III is very ghetto and is very white
Thomas Sowell is most definitely not ghetto, being articulate, educated and erudite. And he is, DUN DUN DUN, black.

You, for example, are not ghetto. You are what Iosif Stalin referred to as a “useful idiot”

Olivia July 18, 2011 at 12:59 pm

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The term ghetto refers to lower class urban speaking styles.

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Nice try at running interference, but the term “ghetto,” as used today, is applied almost exclusively to poor black Americans.

Don’t urinate on my leg and try to tell me it’s raining. You know as well as I do that the “ghetto” remarks about Obama have nothing to do with urban origins, his perceived social class or his speaking style.

As I’ve said before: the only thing more contemptible than a racist is a racist who’s too cowardly to take responsibility for his own bigotry.

Warren July 18, 2011 at 1:15 pm

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Actually ghetto, as it is used today, has moved past the stereotype of ‘the poor black neighborhood.’ It actually is used more for a lower class area that isn’t well taken care of or the mannerisms resulting from such an existence. This can be black, hispanic, white, chinese, whatever. You might not know this if you don’t get out and among real people so we can forgive your ignorance.

BTW I do know you’ll respond to this. I won’t read it. All you do is spew vitriol.

drb July 18, 2011 at 1:23 pm

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That’s correct Warren. A ghetto is the area where the poorest of the poor live. I grew up in a ghetto. Thank G-d my kids have been spared that experience.

Warren July 18, 2011 at 1:30 pm

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Yeah I’ve lived in one or two but my mom was always quick to move us beyond them. Luckily I have a huge extended family that would never let us live in those conditions for very long, as a kid. Heck they wouldn’t let me live in that place *now.*

Olivia July 18, 2011 at 5:31 pm

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Actually ghetto, as it is used today, has moved past the stereotype of ‘the poor black neighborhood.’ It actually is used more for a lower class area that isn’t well taken care of or the mannerisms resulting from such an existence.
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It’s more than that, Warren. It’s a poor, densely populated urban area where members of a particular minority group live, as a result of social and economic deprivation. But it’s often used colloquially as an pejorative, usually in reference to black Americans.
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This can be black, hispanic, white, chinese, whatever. You might not know this if you don’t get out and among real people so we can forgive your ignorance.
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Of course, neither the president nor his wife lived “such an existence,” but that doesn’t stop your buddies from using the word in reference to them. Sorry, Warren, but that is one of the lamest efforts I’ve ever seen to run interference for racists. ;)
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BTW I do know you’ll respond to this. I won’t read it. All you do is spew vitriol.
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So you’re cowardly, as well as dishonest. That’s pretty sad, Warren. But at least I’ve got to thank you for reminding me, as this board so often does, why I’m proud to be a liberal. ;)

RockingHorseGuy June 15, 2011 at 12:10 pm

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Funny, I haven’t heard any mention of this on MSNBC.

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 5:47 am

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Funny, I haven’t heard any mention of this on MSNBC.

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That’s probably because it’s petty gossip, not news. “Obama said the F word!” That kind of silliness would even make the 3rd grade class newsletter at the local elementary school. And, if you do a Google lookup, you’ll find that the only websites trying to make a federal case out of it are a handful of rabidly Obamaphobic blogs.

Yet more evidence that far righters can’t come up with valid criticism of Obama, so are forced instead to yip and yap and bite at his ankles, like a pack of badly trained Chihuahuas.

Ed June 16, 2011 at 7:23 am

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Oh, Olivia… you miss the point of the article…

The criticism is not of Barry using the “F” word. The criticism is of his original disrespect of (our ally) Israel, and his reaction to being called to task for saying something as unconscionable as he did.

Take a minute to read and understand the article before you start bashing people…

“Me thinks you protest too much!” – Shakespeare

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 11:25 am

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The criticism is not of Barry using the “F” word. The criticism is of his original disrespect of (our ally) Israel, and his reaction to being called to task for saying something as unconscionable as he did.

Take a minute to read and understand the article before you start bashing people…

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Oh, I understand perfectly, Ed. I understand that you’ve seized on an apocryphal incident in an Obamaphobic opinion piece, fabricated the details, added a butchered quote from Shakespeare, and used the whole mess as an excuse to fling insults at your president.

I also understand that, denials to the contrary, your unsubstantiated rant-of-the-day—-pardon me, “opinion piece”—–focuses on Obama allegedly “scream(ing)” and “yell(ing)”, not on the meeting itself.

Further, I understand that you’re too gullible to admit that the prime minister of Israel could ever be wrong about anything. Odd how insistent you are that Israel can do no wrong; yet you have nothing good to say about your own government.

Even I have been known to admit that my favorite second country—France—-isn’t perfect. When has a far righter EVER admitted as much about Israel?

David Bishop June 17, 2011 at 3:37 pm

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Of course your favorite country would be socialist. Ironically enough, they have been cutting social programs recently because of the inability for tax revenues to match the output for social programs. They have also banned many muslim practices and are considering putting a ban entirely on the religion. Good ol’ France.

Olivia June 17, 2011 at 5:45 pm

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Of course your favorite country would be socialist.
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Social DEMOCRACY, David. I stress that, because I see a lot of you far righters mistakenly thinking that socialism = communism = totaltarianism. You can’t help it, because that’s the propaganda you’ve been exposed to. But socialism is a type of economy, not government style. Also contrary to popular right wing belief, socialism isn’t an all-or-nothing proposition. EVERY modern industrialized nation, including ours, has an element of socialism in it. In no way does that mean that it can’t have capitalism as well.
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Ironically enough, they have been cutting social programs recently because of the inability for tax revenues to match the output for social programs.
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You’re correct that they’ve had to make some changes. But I can state with confidence that there’s no way the French people would ever want an inequitable, for-profit health care model, or an inequitable public school system, like ours in the U.S. Most don’t mind having to pay something for health care—-but they’re usually shocked to hear how much we Americans have to shell out for medications or ER treatments or doctors’ office visits. (They’re shocked by a lot of problems here in the U.S., like the idea that a family can lose its life savings and end up bankrupt as a result of catastrophic illness—or that a person can end up in poverty as a result of losing a job.) And, after experiencing French ER care personally, I can see why. My total (self pay) bill was about 1/10 of what it would have cost in an American ER. And, if I’d been a French citizen or legal resident, it would have cost even less.

Of course, it’s popular for skeptical right wingers to argue that there are longer waits in French ERs, or that the care is inferior. I didn’t find either to be true, and, as an ER nurse myself, I’m in a good position to compare the two systems.
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They have also banned many muslim practices and are considering putting a ban entirely on the religion.
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FRANCE is not considering such a ban, David. It’s the far right wing poltical faction in France, which (like the far right in most other countries) tends to be xenophobic, that clamors for Muslims to be marginalized and/or deported. Yes, yes, I know that the French government has officially banned traditional Muslim head scarves and burqas and so on in public school classrooms. But it has also banned the wearing of other conspicuous religious symbols in those classrooms, including large crucifixes and yarmulkes.

No, I’m sorry, but, if you ever visit France, you will see those dastardly Muslims doing the same things that French Christians and Jews do—-shopping, taking the kids to the park, attending worship services, sightseeing. And that’s as it should be, as long as they’re not breaking the law.

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Good ol’ France.
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You can say that again! I love that country. And I have a feeling you would, too (though you’d never in a million years admit it here) if you spent some time there.

David Bishop June 17, 2011 at 6:21 pm

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Socialism is not only a economic, but a political idea.
Do not treat me like a Sarah-Palin-Drooling-Over-60-Year-Old-Half-Nitwit. I have an IQ well over 150, have served this country away from my 3 kids for 27 months in an actual combat military occupational specialty, and I believe I’m the only one on this site who has actually articulated to you (without your response I might add) why I respect Herman Cain.

Social Democracy – Definition – A socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.

We are rapidly heading there. I do not worry. Honestly, I believe that we are confident enough to believe that once middle class Americans begin paying 40-50% in taxes, they will seek reform to social programs the same way people in Holland are beginning to seek reform *I have no data to back this up. My mother’s new husband is from Holland and I got to spend some time with him and discuss their policies. He is extremely liberal, but still admits their social programs have begun to get out of hand. He was in their “middle class” and was paying around 40% in taxes*

Tags are something silly, Olivia, and I would hope you would agree. I fell in love with the founding fathers through research, reading, investigation, self-exploration, my growing up in poverty, my ascension of, and my hopes and dreams for my children. Every single thought I have, is self-explored. I post on this site. I post on Huffpost. I post on dailykos (been banned over 20 times.) Like I have stated before, you discover much more about your station and others by observing conflicting opinions, not similar.

The more and more I live, and life experience I have, I begin to realize that life is not very complicated. That economics is not very complicated. That socio-political issues are not very complicated. They are all the same. The general equilibrium theory of economics applies to all facets of this universe ((aspiring economics major) you may notice how I relate everything to economics, and are so well-versed in the issue).
I simply don’t worry. Because unfortunately, whether or not the GOP or Dems want to accept it, some things exist. Like natural market forces. They are like an ocean. You cannot hide them for long before they make their mark, and an economic tidal wave (and austerity measures) are easily seen. I guess I believe in the greater good and intelligence of people, and although I may be delusional in believing the collective will eventually come to the best possible solution, I still have hope. I believe that now we are almost in one of the greatest political times. Because you have (at-least in my limited political experience) one of the greatest spread political group ideologies out there. Most of my friends are conservatives since we’re in the army, but they have differing views on state’s rights, abortion, education, welfare. It’s amazing. The one thing that all this Bush-Obama drama have caused is a more politically sensitive group of people, people who have stopped watching MSNBC, FOX, and CNN, and actively begun searching for their own unbiased answers and how those answers make them feel. I think both side is thankful of that. So even in Bush’s and Obama’s failures, America has succeeded.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 6:34 am

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Social Democracy – Definition – A socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.

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ALL modern industrialized nations have an element of socialism in them, David. That doesn’t make them “socialist” per se, any more than adding a small amount of black pigment to a bucket of white paint will turn the whole bucket black.

France, the social democracy I know best, isn’t a purely or predominantly socialist state by any stretch of the imagination. Businesses are still privately run; well-heeled people still live better than poor people there; and most French people gripe as much as anyone else about having to pay taxes. The difference is that, in France (as in most other countries in the world), “social” hasn’t been turned into a dirty word. Most people there realize that any major nation needs some safety nets, just as a home owner needs good insurance and emergency evacuation plans in the event of a disaster.

Kip Hooker July 19, 2011 at 10:21 am

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@ David

“Honestly, I believe that we are confident enough to believe that once middle class Americans begin paying 40-50% in taxes”

I hope you are right. But taxes can be a tricky thing. A tax doesn’t always look like a tax. Sometimes it looks like a fee. Sometimes you don’t notice it because its a with holding and you get some of it back at the end of the year. Sometimes it is the value of your dollar dropping because so many new ones got created to pay off political cronies and buy votes. And sometimes it is just hidden in close to half of the purchase price of items at the store. I get the feeling when all these are summed we passed up ceding 50 percent of our earnings to government (in some form or other) a long, long time ago.

Deb June 17, 2011 at 7:11 pm

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And while you are there David, perhaps you could take part in some of the riots and demonstrations with the French people, who are crying that their broke government wants to cut some of the massive social programs they have tried to run. Or go down the street to the heated demonstrations on joblessness in France, and then don’t miss the pcitrue of the French Government deporting all of the Romanies out of France because they cost the state too much. No gevernemnt is perfect, and France is as far away as any, despite their claim to beliefs similar to America’s.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 6:43 am

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And while you are there David, perhaps you could take part in some of the riots and demonstrations with the French people, who are crying that their broke government wants to cut some of the massive social programs they have tried to run. Or go down the street to the heated demonstrations on joblessness in France, and then don’t miss the pcitrue of the French Government deporting all of the Romanies out of France because they cost the state too much. No gevernemnt is perfect, and France is as far away as any, despite their claim to beliefs similar to America’s.

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The deportation of gypsies was spearheaded by Sarkozy, who is considerably more right wing than his predecessor. Now, you can argue that that action was wrong or wasn’t wrong, but isn’t that exactly what American righties want to do to Mexican immigrants—-and for the same reason?

And, yes, French people do have antigovernment demonstrations, for many different reasons. They’re traditionally outspoken like that. Doesn’t in any way mean that they want their own nation turned into a GOP utopia. Make no mistake: they’ve heard all those horror stories about uninsured Americans dying in ER waiting rooms, and the higher rate of fetal demise here (due largely to lack of availability of affordable prenatal care for the uninsured). They don’t want to see their nation bankrupt, but neither do they want a system under which only the well-employed and well-heeled can afford to see a doctor.

By the way, no one here has claimed that France is perfect. My point is only that most of the claims being made about it here are fallacies.

Ryan June 16, 2011 at 7:26 am

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And you far-lefters wouldn’t recognize a legitimate criticism of your chosen one anyway. He’s a commie. Period. I know why you don’t like Palin. She’s everything you are NOT! – Smart, attractive, respected, etc.

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 11:43 am

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And you far-lefters wouldn’t recognize a legitimate criticism of your chosen one anyway. He’s a commie. Period.
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Admit it, Ryan: you wouldn’t know a “commie” if one of them walked up to you and smacked you in the face. That’s a favorite bugaboo of the far right, but most don’t even seem to know what the term means. In most cases, they’re just parroting their favorite AM talk radio infotainers.
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I know why you don’t like Palin. She’s everything you are NOT! – Smart, attractive, respected, etc.
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She’s an ignoramus, a religious bigot, a shrill voiced celebrity wannabe and a professional quitter, Ryan. But thank you for saying she’s everything that I’m not. I’ll take that as a very big compliment.

KaylaKW June 21, 2011 at 5:02 pm

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com·mie/ˈkämē/
Adjective: Communist.
Noun: A communist.
Translation: Commie=Communist

com·mu·nist
–noun
1.(initial capital letter ) a member of the Communist party or movement
2.an advocate of communism.
3.a person who is regarded as supporting politically leftist or subversive causes.

com·mu·nism   
[kom-yuh-niz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

ok so now me and all my fellow “far right wingers” will know when a Commie smacks us in the face.

Ryan June 16, 2011 at 7:35 am

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And, Olive Oyl, you libs sure make a big deal out of Cheney using it! THAT was all over MSNBC! YOU HYPOCRITE!!!!

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 11:32 am

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And, Olive Oyl, you libs sure make a big deal out of Cheney using it! THAT was all over MSNBC! YOU HYPOCRITE!!!!
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Oh, for the love of Pete, could you BE any more childish in your arguments? “No fair! Cheney got yelled at for using the F word, so why aren’t you yelling at Obama, mommy????”

Don’t presume to hold me accountable for what someone on MSNBC said, Ryan. I don’t watch MSNBC, nor do I have any control over what events or incidents they choose to include in their newscasts or editorials. Believe me, if I wanted to bring up Cheney’s many faults here, “He once said the F word at a colleague in Congress” would be VERY far down on the list.

danybhoy July 19, 2011 at 4:20 am

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You don’t watch MSNBC either? Finally something you & everyone here have in common!

jukin June 18, 2011 at 6:57 am

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Ryan, that’s different. Cheney is a republican. Get on board.

satt1313 June 17, 2011 at 5:43 am

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Gee kind of like the obsession with Sarah Palin. Petty. And you can’t come up with anything there either. Even after spending who knows how much money to get her email. Do they pay you to troll here?

KimmyQueen June 17, 2011 at 8:14 am

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The ongoing theory is that she does get paid. No one with nothing invested will try this hard to be this stupid.

Olivia June 17, 2011 at 5:52 pm

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Gee kind of like the obsession with Sarah Palin. Petty. And you can’t come up with anything there either. Even after spending who knows how much money to get her email. Do they pay you to troll here?

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I didn’t pay for her e mail, Satt, nor am I particularly interested in it. And, no, I’m not paid to post here. But it intrigues me that you’d consider me to be a “troll,” just because I don’t echo the approved viewpoints here. Sounds like some of you are very uncomfortable with opposing opinions.

Keith in Seattle June 15, 2011 at 1:17 pm

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The cracks in this insanity are finally showing. He’s not used to being ridiculed in public by anyone. Keep it up people, keep up the pressure and let’s enjoy the show when the cat finally cracks up.

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 5:50 am

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The cracks in this insanity are finally showing. He’s not used to being ridiculed in public by anyone. Keep it up people, keep up the pressure and let’s enjoy the show when the cat finally cracks up.

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Where in the world are you getting the notion that showing anger after an extremely frustrating meeting is a sign of “insanity”? :D

You people are so pathetic. Either that, or you’re awfully ignorant about normal human behavior. Or both.

Ferguson June 16, 2011 at 7:18 am

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Where in the world are you getting the notion that showing anger after an extremely frustrating meeting is a sign of “insanity”?

You people are so pathetic. Either that, or you’re awfully ignorant about normal human behavior. Or both.

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Seriously? You don’t see the connection? Perhaps it’s because you scribble little hearts around all of Obama’s newspaper photos, but the truth is that being called out on something and going into a rage about it is a sign of emotional unstability. That’s not to say it actually happened, but to call someone pathetic and ignorant based upon his comment here is pretty childish. And pathetic. Also, ignorant.

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 11:50 am

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Where in the world are you getting the notion that showing anger after an extremely frustrating meeting is a sign of “insanity”?

You people are so pathetic. Either that, or you’re awfully ignorant about normal human behavior. Or both.

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Seriously? You don’t see the connection? Perhaps it’s because you scribble little hearts around all of Obama’s newspaper photos, but the truth is that being called out on something and going into a rage about it is a sign of emotional unstability.

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Nonsense. There is nothing inherently “unstable” about showing anger in an extremely frustrating situation. It would be nice, of course, if none of us ever lost our temper under any circumstances, but it’s just human nature to do so from time to time. Especially when one has one of the most difficult and demanding jobs in the world.

Your other comment is as silly and childish as most of what I’ve seen posted here. This isn’t about “scribbling little hearts” in the newspapers or anywhere else. I’m simply correcting you on your bizarre notion that sane people never lose their temper.

RockingHorseGuy June 16, 2011 at 1:45 pm

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I love being the third thumbs down on so many of Olivia’s posts, sending them off into oblivion. It just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Olivia June 17, 2011 at 5:56 pm

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I love being the third thumbs down on so many of Olivia’s posts, sending them off into oblivion. It just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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Translation: “We can’t dispute some of the points Olivia is making here, so let’s do the cyberequivalent of sticking our fingers in our ears and yelling, “LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA—I CAN’T HEAR YOU!’ Heaven forbid we should ever be exposed to unapproved viewpoints, right?”

But that attitude certainly explains a lot about some here….. ;)

David Bishop June 17, 2011 at 6:25 pm

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Can you just join the fold and stop responding like you’re being paid? Some of us around here kinda like you.

KimmyQueen June 17, 2011 at 6:31 pm

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I am curious. What is it about Olivia that you like?

David Bishop June 18, 2011 at 6:35 am

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I’ll get back to you on that.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 4:28 am

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Can you just join the fold and stop responding like you’re being paid? Some of us around here kinda like you.

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Thank you. But what do you mean by “join(ing) the fold”? Does that mean I can’t give back what some are so liberally (no pun intended) dishing out at me?

David Bishop June 19, 2011 at 5:21 am

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Well, I figured you would get what I meant, but here’s some help.

Translation: Stop the translations. If I see anyone else do it, I will bark at them as well.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 7:09 am

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Well, I figured you would get what I meant, but here’s some help.

Translation: Stop the translations. If I see anyone else do it, I will bark at them as well.

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Tell you what: I’ll stop the translations, as soon as other posters quit flinging juvenile insults at me when they can’t dispute a point I’m making.

Crazy liberal that I am, I kind of expect other posters to stick with the issue being discussed, rather than yocking it up about “halitosis” or “diarrhea,” or falsely accusing me of killing my patients. And, if they can’t or won’t do that, then I respond as I deem appropriate. What’s outrageous or intolerable about that?

KaylaKW June 21, 2011 at 5:12 pm

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I know! Doesn’t it make you feel as though you’ve done something good for the rest of the readers in the IHTM world?

RockingHorseGuy June 30, 2011 at 11:55 am

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Hey, I try to help out whenever I can.

Ed June 16, 2011 at 7:25 am

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Oh, Olivia….

I’m tiring of this game…

“Me thinks you protest too much!” – Shakespeare

DeanH June 18, 2011 at 7:19 am

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“The lady doth protest too much.” is the actual line from Hamlet. Methinks ‘methinks’ sounds just funny enough to keep saying it that way, but not to quoth and attribute to the old Bard.

Decades ago I witnessed a fellow at a car wash getting the treatment from a shrew about something which she did not approve. The manager of the place walked into the fray to give her some free car wash tickets to appease her. Her car was blocking the exit and the line had to stop because of the fracas. Her response to the manager was further belligerence. Then one of the workers walked right up to her and said “What manner of bitch be this who protesteth too much to my peer?” This particular hacking up of the line got quite a laugh from everyone but her and she barely noticed the dude getting into her car and driving it out of the way so they could get back to work. He walked back up to her and gave her the keys to her car. She slapped him. He laughed. We all laughed. I laughed some more retelling it now!

myvalon haney June 15, 2011 at 2:21 pm

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i don’t think obama is going to take this lying down. Lord help us if he retailates. he us putting this country on a colision course with God.

YT June 16, 2011 at 11:16 am

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Its THAT serious? I thought maybe the next transformers movie won’t come out or something.

danybhoy July 19, 2011 at 4:26 am

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I’ll tell you where we will see the real Obama. If the GOP does’nt screw up & nominate the classic RINO for President because “it his turn”, they should kick his ass in a landslide. If that happens, a lame-duck Obama would show what he really is about. He’s bad enough now, but if he gets rejected in 2012 anything close to what happened to the Dems in the midterms, he will really become a tyrant of epic proportions.

daryl June 15, 2011 at 7:49 pm

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When obummer screamed “What the f*** was that?” he had encountered INTELLIGENCE. He has no clue what it is.

Mike Hunt June 16, 2011 at 2:11 am

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Hmmmm – I don’t recall seeing anything about this on any major news channel – love the photoshopped pic!

Dave June 16, 2011 at 4:35 am

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You can take him out of the hood but you can’t take the hood out of him .

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 5:51 am

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You can take him out of the hood but you can’t take the hood out of him .

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What “hood” are you talking about, Dave?

(To everyone else: Ten to one he doesn’t have the guts to respond directly to my question…..and I think we all know exactly why.)

Ryan June 16, 2011 at 7:31 am

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Liv – the HOOD is the chicago political machine on top of his obvious mohammed-ite upbringing, if you can call it that. He’s a fraud, a criminal, and a Muslim. I cant wait until his tenure is terminated. Hopefully he’ll lose to Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin. THEN let’s hear from org’s like NOW and the feminist movement! Oh wait, they only support LIBERAL women, not all women!

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 10:58 am

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Liv – the HOOD is the chicago political machine on top of his obvious mohammed-ite upbringing, if you can call it that. He’s a fraud, a criminal, and a Muslim.
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And you, my boy, are a liar, as well as being appalling ignorant about Islam, if you seriously believe any of the above.
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I cant wait until his tenure is terminated. Hopefully he’ll lose to Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin. THEN let’s hear from org’s like NOW and the feminist movement! Oh wait, they only support LIBERAL women, not all women!
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Not necessarily true. But why would feminists, or anyone else, glory in seeing a star struck ignoramus elected to the highest office in the land?

Ruben June 16, 2011 at 12:16 pm

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Olivia, what do you call the current president if not a star struck ignoramus?

Olivia June 17, 2011 at 4:53 pm

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Olivia, what do you call the current president if not a star struck ignoramus?

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I call him a decent president who is regularly savaged by the right wing media, and by those right wing media fans who haven’t the sense to think for themselves.

You might not like him; you might oppose his viewpoints, but it’s just plain silly to try to liken him to Miss Wasilla the Professional Quitter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc

Ruben June 18, 2011 at 9:49 pm

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How do you breathe with your head where God never intended it to go? Oh, that’s right, you’re a nurse… probably had some rectal apparatus surgically implanted.

You’re right about it being silly to compare Obama with Palin when she had more executive experience than he did.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 4:37 am

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How do you breathe with your head where God never intended it to go? Oh, that’s right, you’re a nurse… probably had some rectal apparatus surgically implanted.
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Translation: “Once again, I can’t dispute what you’re saying, so I’ll fling silly juvenile insults about rectums instead.”
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You’re right about it being silly to compare Obama with Palin when she had more executive experience than he did.

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No, she didn’t. She walked out on her elected position halfway through. Executive experience means sticking with the job and showing good leadership even when the going gets rough—and Palin failed to do that.

In my profession, walking out in the middle of one’s responsibilities is grounds for firing (and, in some cases, legal action). Certainly, no hospital in its right mind would ever consider hiring such a nurse for a chief executive position! Yet many of you don’t see anything odd about supporting Miss Quitter for the most important (and arduous) executive position of all. Why is that? Because you think she looks “hot” in a short skirt?

Ruben June 19, 2011 at 3:12 pm

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No, you’re still wrong about executive experience. Obama never led anything. Executives resign all the time and are not defined by the length of time they are on the job but by the job they did while on the clock.

Had Palin not resigned to save Alaskan taxpayers millions of what would surely have been spent to fight frivolous lawsuits, you foolish lefties would have screamed about how she entrenched herself. Did the lack of anything from 24,000 emails being poured over last week show you anything but a governor who was doing her job?

She kicked the crap out of her left wing detractors a couple o’ weeks back on the Paul Revere issue. I heard a history professor say he was “afraid so” while being interviewed on NPR.

You’re a sexual bigot for asking me that question about the short skirt. I love my wife and to honor her I don’t look at other women. Plus, I’m not a big Palin fan. Her voice grates on me and I don’t want her for president.

And, finally, I feel I owe you an apology. Being a nurse is a noble profession and I say, “Good for you.” I am sorry for making the wisecrack. Whether I feel your political head is up your figurative backside does not entitle me to bring your profession into the debate. Again, I am sorry and beg your pardon.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 4:16 pm

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No, you’re still wrong about executive experience. Obama never led anything. Executives resign all the time and are not defined by the length of time they are on the job but by the job they did while on the clock.
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So tell me, Ruben: what SPECIFIC skills, that are essential to the presidency and cannot be acquired on the job, do you see Sarah Palin as possessing, and Barack Obama as lacking?
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Had Palin not resigned to save Alaskan taxpayers millions of what would surely have been spent to fight frivolous lawsuits, you foolish lefties would have screamed about how she entrenched herself. Did the lack of anything from 24,000 emails being poured over last week show you anything but a governor who was doing her job?
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I have no idea, Ruben, since I didn’t look at them. Nor am I interested in excuses for Palin ditching her job halfway through the first term. If she had any character, she would have stuck to her guns and lived down those rumors (assuming they were false), rather than running like a thief. But, in fact, I don’t for a minute think she ditched her job for the sake of the taxpayers. I think she ditched it because she saw a more gratifying opportunity on the horizon. A chance to play at being a political analyst, to be a TV star and GOP mascot, to get paid millions just to show up at Tea Party rallies and hype antiliberal sentiments to the crowd, and to promote conservative Christian values that she doesn’t follow in her own life.

Who (other than someone with a sense of responsibility) could let an opportunity like that pass them by, just for the sake of fulfilling a 4 year commitment to the people of her state?
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She kicked the crap out of her left wing detractors a couple o’ weeks back on the Paul Revere issue. I heard a history professor say he was “afraid so” while being interviewed on NPR.
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No, she didn’t. She spewed a lot of drivel about Revere riding to protect the people’s right to own guns, all the while “ringin’ those bells” as he slipped silently away under cover of darkness. All you have to do is read Revere’s own account of the incident, to see that she was making it up as she went along. Too ignorant to know what really happened, and too egotistical to demur when asked to talk about it in front of the cameras, she botched it as badly as she botched the call from the Montreal radio prankster pretending to be Nicolas Sarkozy.
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You’re a sexual bigot for asking me that question about the short skirt.
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No, just repeating what I’ve heard ad nauseam from adoring right wingers.
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I love my wife and to honor her I don’t look at other women. Plus, I’m not a big Palin fan. Her voice grates on me and I don’t want her for president.

And, finally, I feel I owe you an apology. Being a nurse is a noble profession and I say, “Good for you.” I am sorry for making the wisecrack. Whether I feel your political head is up your figurative backside does not entitle me to bring your profession into the debate. Again, I am sorry and beg your pardon.
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Thank you—that was nice of you to say. As a nurse, I suspect that YOUR political head needs a good soapsuds enema more than mine does…..but of course I’m too polite and professional to say so here. ;)

RockingHorseGuy June 20, 2011 at 12:16 pm

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Take it from somebody that is allowed to appreciate the feminine form. Sarah DOES look good in a skirt. That’s certainly not what makes her better Presidential material than Obama. Having said that, I still won’t vote for her in the primaries. Now, if she were to actually WIN in the primaries, she would get my vote against Obama in the General Election. Hands down.

danybhoy July 19, 2011 at 4:30 am

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Hey Ruben, Alan Keys already answered that question…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlTgrMCxPg

…& he was spot on.

KimmyQueen June 16, 2011 at 8:06 am

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“I’M SO HOOD!”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHyB_FRr4-M

Freaking youtube and their commercials. It comes after. Oh there is language, but I do think it was edited.

KimmyQueen June 16, 2011 at 2:59 pm

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What didn’t you like the video? I totally don’t see Mr. O as part of that hood.

Dave June 16, 2011 at 6:25 am

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I was away from my computer Oloud mouth you seem to have all the answers if you don’t know google it.

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 11:03 am

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I was away from my computer Oloud mouth you seem to have all the answers if you don’t know google it.

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Translation: “I was flinging a racially charged insult at Obama, of course. But, like most bigots, I lack the courage to take responsibility for my words and actions.”

My question was purely rhetorical, Dave. Bigotry is like diarrhea: no matter how hard you try to hold it in, sooner or later it’s going to come out.

Dave June 16, 2011 at 11:09 am

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You mentioned diarrhea I don’t know about your ass end but it sure flows from your mouth ;)

YT June 16, 2011 at 11:18 am

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LOL!

KimmyQueen June 16, 2011 at 11:28 am

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She suffers from halitosis of the intellect.

Warren June 16, 2011 at 11:30 am

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hah now that’s comedy!

KimmyQueen June 16, 2011 at 11:42 am

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Thanks, I wish I could take credit, but that is a favorite line of mine from a TV show. He has so many ways to call people stupid it is hilarious.

Warren June 16, 2011 at 11:46 am

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My favorite can be applied to her as well:

She has a cranial-rectal inversion

I learned that from my brother when he was in the military :)

Olivia June 16, 2011 at 11:58 am

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My favorite can be applied to her as well:

She has a cranial-rectal inversion

I learned that from my brother when he was in the military

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Translation: “If I show off my prowess at flinging juvenile playground insults, will anyone notice that my comments here are completely devoid of facts, logic or even good sense?”

Poor Warren.

Dave June 16, 2011 at 12:22 pm

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You are very good at translating other peoples comments see if you can translate this: LRBCHITBLIEA

Warren June 16, 2011 at 12:24 pm

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Nah, she just thinks she is good. She always mis translates everything :)

I guess that happens when you go from common sense to liberalese…

KaylaKW June 21, 2011 at 5:16 pm

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Translation: Liberal b!tch

:D

KimmyQueen June 16, 2011 at 2:59 pm

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LOL

Barb R. June 16, 2011 at 4:18 pm

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“You mentioned diarrhea I don’t know about your ass end but it sure flows from your mouth”

Actually Dave, there is a proper medical term for that.

Verbal diarrhea.

Dave June 16, 2011 at 4:24 pm

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I think her ass gets awfully jealous of her mouth because of all the crap that comes out of it.

Dave June 16, 2011 at 6:43 am

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Well did you Google it OK I will tell you then a 57 Chevy hood of course.

Dave June 17, 2011 at 3:03 pm

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DEAR LORD, THIS YEAR YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE ACTOR, PATRICK SWAYZIE. YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE ACTRESS, FARAH FAWCETT. YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE SINGER, MICHAEL JACKSON. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, MY FAVORITE PRESIDENT IS BARACK OBAMA. AMEN

danybhoy June 17, 2011 at 3:35 pm

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A couple of things…

1. There is a CAPS LOCK button, unlock it.

2. Obama sucks, but don’t wish death upon the man.

David Bishop June 17, 2011 at 3:44 pm

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Agreed. We would be as bad as the democratic posters on NewsFlavor wishing that Obama would kill all the Jews and finish the holocaust.

Olivia June 17, 2011 at 6:07 pm

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Agreed. We would be as bad as the democratic posters on NewsFlavor wishing that Obama would kill all the Jews and finish the holocaust.

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David, if you honestly believe that those anonymous posters are Democrats just because they say so, then you’re a gullible fool.

There is nothing in Democratic ideology that encourages Americans to hate or disdain ANY religious or ethnic group. Sounds to me as if you’ve been swallowing Limbaughesque nonsense about those who ever disagree with any Israeli governmental decision “hating Jews.” Which is every bit as big a lie as Rush’s onetime claim that he was opposed to illegal drug use.

David Bishop June 17, 2011 at 6:28 pm

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There are extremists on both sides of the table, Olivia. There are a lot of crazy people out there still rocking an R. Just like there are some crazies rocking a D. I don’t have a radio in my truck, and therefore cannot listen to Limbaugh. And honestly, if you keep stereotyping me, it’s just going to be the absence of the only person who supports you on this site.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 4:22 am

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There are extremists on both sides of the table, Olivia. There are a lot of crazy people out there still rocking an R. Just like there are some crazies rocking a D. I don’t have a radio in my truck, and therefore cannot listen to Limbaugh. And honestly, if you keep stereotyping me, it’s just going to be the absence of the only person who supports you on this site.

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Well, you got the notion that liberals tend to be antisemitic from somewhere, and you sure as shootin’ didn’t get it from real liberals.

No, David, it’s as preposterous to assume that some liberals want another Jewish Holocaust as it would be to assume that some right wingers are hoping to see the Second Amendment abolished. It flies in the face of everything we liberals (you know, the ones who are so often derided for being overly “PC”) stand for.

David Bishop June 19, 2011 at 5:31 am

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Well, when a person who’s comment title is “decidedly democrat” and has the equivalence of a super poster and searches for his other posts reveal anti-right comments, one would naturally come to the notion that this person is a democrat. There were plenty of such posts, most from self-labeled (or picture-assisted clues) democrats, some of which were extremely heinous. They called for Obama to scour the earth and kill the zionist Jews. There were posts saying the holocaust was faked by the Jewish community. There were posts stating that Benjamin Netanyahu should have been waterboarded. Other posts saying we should group up with the Arab Emirates and nuke Israel. Other posts going off in very poor worded racist rhetoric. Many posts, different names. I’m not saying that the liberal cause is to cut ties with Israel, and kill them all, but there are a few bad apples out there who wish for such a day.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 6:08 am

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Well, when a person who’s comment title is “decidedly democrat” and has the equivalence of a super poster and searches for his other posts reveal anti-right comments, one would naturally come to the notion that this person is a democrat. There were plenty of such posts, most from self-labeled (or picture-assisted clues) democrats, some of which were extremely heinous. They called for Obama to scour the earth and kill the zionist Jews. There were posts saying the holocaust was faked by the Jewish community. There were posts stating that Benjamin Netanyahu should have been waterboarded. Other posts saying we should group up with the Arab Emirates and nuke Israel. Other posts going off in very poor worded racist rhetoric. Many posts, different names. I’m not saying that the liberal cause is to cut ties with Israel, and kill them all, but there are a few bad apples out there who wish for such a day.

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And, again, David, I don’t care WHAT the person’s screen name or post title was—–there is NOTHING in liberal or Democratic ideology that supports genocide in any way, for any group, no matter how unpopular.

That makes no more sense than it would for a self-professed devout Catholic to express a wish that all popes and cardinals should be assassinated. Or a self-professed feminist to state that women need to stay in the kitchen and keep their mouths shut.

In short, either that person is a total nut case, or (more likely) he’s just jerking your chain.

Yes, yes, I know, I wasn’t there, and didn’t read the comments or see the ugly pictures, but I know liberalism. And liberalism is about tolerance and acceptance of other cultures, not about destroying them. They don’t call us “bleeding hearts” for nothing, you know.

David Bishop June 19, 2011 at 6:20 am

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Yeah, those “Kill the Babies, Save the Whales” signs I remember are definitely tolerant and from the heart!!

Olivia, I was not saying these people are mainstream, but when there are 50-60 posts from different people all urging the same thing on a leftist site, it scares the bejeezus out of me. It is very easy for an ideology to be high-jacked by a splinter group of nutjobs and flush the movement down the toilet forever.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 7:02 am

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Olivia, I was not saying these people are mainstream, but when there are 50-60 posts from different people all urging the same thing on a leftist site, it scares the bejeezus out of me. It is very easy for an ideology to be high-jacked by a splinter group of nutjobs and flush the movement down the toilet forever.

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David, instead of allowing a bunch of message board trolls to frighten you to death, why don’t you talk to real liberals, and find out what we’re about?

Is it because, deep down, you WANT to believe that we’re all (or mostly) rabidly antisemitic?

zevster June 21, 2011 at 11:35 am

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Bleeding hearts are almost always misguided – hense the term bleeding … as a nurse u should know that … lol … u need to always stop the bleeding and dress the wound….

Olivia June 21, 2011 at 12:26 pm

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Bleeding hearts are almost always misguided – hense the term bleeding … as a nurse u should know that … lol … u need to always stop the bleeding and dress the wound….

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On the other hand, blood is a lifegiving substance. Every day, blood is collected from generous volunteers, and used to strengthen and stabilize patients who need it. But you can’t always tell, at a glance, who truly needs it and who doesn’t.

Dave June 17, 2011 at 4:21 pm

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It was copied and pasted and it is meant as a joke if you don’t like it Nancy go **** yourself !

perlcat June 17, 2011 at 7:35 pm

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I didn’t think it was funny or appropriate when they rolled that joke out on Bush, and recycling it on Barry isn’t the best way to mock him — especially when he gives us such rich material.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 4:24 am

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I didn’t think it was funny or appropriate when they rolled that joke out on Bush, and recycling it on Barry isn’t the best way to mock him — especially when he gives us such rich material.

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Who’s “they,” Perlcat?

David Bishop June 19, 2011 at 5:35 am

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Everyone?

NCLB
QE1
Medicare D
TARP
2 1/2 years away from my family in Iraq.

Got lots to thank Bush for.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 6:13 am

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Everyone?

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Not me. I don’t wish death on anyone, even jokingly.

David Bishop June 19, 2011 at 6:22 am

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That’s because Bush was the greatest democrat to run in office for awhile, except for all that crazy war stuff.

Barb R. June 19, 2011 at 6:45 am

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Very true, David.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 6:58 am

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That’s because Bush was the greatest democrat to run in office for awhile, except for all that crazy war stuff.

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Nice try, but there was nothing of the Democrat in Bush.

Democrats aren’t known for trying to blur the line between religion and government.

Democrats aren’t known for trying to chip away at Roe v. Wade, as the Bush administration did.

Democrats aren’t known for nation building.

Democrats aren’t known for cutting taxes during war time.

Democrats aren’t known for giving big breaks to Big Business, at the expense of the ordinary working person.

Democrats aren’t known for invading sovereign nations in hopes of getting their hands on that nation’s one natural resource.

Democrats aren’t known for opposing same sex marriage (or making a federal issue out of same).

Democrats aren’t known for agreeing to speak live only before hand picked audiences of loyal Republicans.

Democrats aren’t known for stacking the Supreme Court with right wing Republican justices.

Democrats aren’t known for ignoring the needs of have-nots, while busily courting the favor of “have mores.”

Sounds to me as if you’re trying to pin Bush’s reckless spending on the Democrats—-but it’s not going to work. The Republicans OWN Bush’s fiscal misadventures, because they ordered, bought and paid for them….with our grandchildren’s money.

Instead of trying to argue that Bush is a Democrat, maybe it’s time to face facts and admit that Democrats aren’t the only ones who have ever been guilty of fiscal irresponsibility.

Besides, by your own claim you’re an independent, not a Republican. So it doesn’t make sense that you’d be trying to blame Bush’s screw-ups on the Democrats.

David Bishop June 19, 2011 at 2:09 pm

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I’m not trying to blame Bush’s reckless spending on anyone. He got voted into office, just like Obama.

But to be honest, and this deserves introspection by the republican party, Bush’s errors are responsible for the greatest thing I’ve seen in my life. The restructuring and reclamation of the republican party into a splinter cell group of republicans known as libertarians. I have never seen such a wanton abandonment of a parties candidate (as in the case of Bush) even with Obama today. About half the Democrats I know in real life still support Obama. The amount of Republicans I knew in real life who supported Bush about 5 years in: close to zero.

You speak good truth, Olivia. We, as a party, do need to recognize Bush’s faults and errors as president and never allow something like that to happen again. Clinton was a very good role model for presidency (please people, do not talk about him getting blown, he was good as hell before that), and it is high time to realize that a president’s actions can permanently, or for a while, destroy a party; much as Obama is doing currently. We cannot afford, if we win the 2012 election, to put up another flip-flop candidate like Bush.

arlan June 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm

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Democrats aren’t known for agreeing to speak live only before hand picked audiences of loyal Republicans.

Nope, Democrats are known for agreeing top speak live only before hand picke audiences of loyal Democrats

Democrats aren’t known for stacking the Supreme Court with right wing Republican justices.

Nope, Democrats are known for stacking the Supreme Court with left wing Democratic justices.

Well, you get the point. I always laugh when liberals try to convince me that their politicians are pure as the driven snow and the Republicans are evil incarnet.

The fact of the matter is that there are many issues that we don’t agree on, but to lecture conservatives about what we believe as if we must be complete idiots is simply bigoted. Believe it or not, I am capable of forming my own thoughts and while people like Limbaugh and Lewis can be a valuable source of information, I many times don’t agree with them.

Olivia, you are insulting in your comments because you come across as feeling you are superior to all who disagree with you, that we don’t have a thought in our pretty little heads. Anyone one with any kind of confidence in their ideas and beliefs is turned off by your condecending retoric.

The most intolerent people I have ever met are those that preach tolerance, because they only have tolerance for those they feel are worthy.

KimmyQueen June 19, 2011 at 1:06 pm

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I have to admit that I laughed. However, I agree obviously we shouldn’t wish death on the man ESPECIALLY because if he does die at the hands of a human that would be disastrous even if the human is crazy or a liberal (or both).

Warren June 19, 2011 at 1:12 pm

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I laughed, but I didn’t take it seriously. Besides Americans have always been known for having a sense of humor in the darkest times, we need to keep up that tradition :)

Olivia June 21, 2011 at 12:32 pm

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Olivia, you are insulting in your comments because you come across as feeling you are superior to all who disagree with you, that we don’t have a thought in our pretty little heads. Anyone one with any kind of confidence in their ideas and beliefs is turned off by your condecending retoric.
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It takes a certain amount of courage for an unabashed liberal to walk into a virtual lion’s den of right wingers and discuss politics, Arlan. Ever stop to think that what you’re interpreting as condescending is actually just giving back what’s dished out to me?
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The most intolerent people I have ever met are those that preach tolerance, because they only have tolerance for those they feel are worthy.
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I’m tolerant of everyone here, in that I think you all are entitled to speak out as you please. But there’s a difference between tolerating you as people, and accepting whatever you choose to say here.

It would be wrong to fling gratuitous insults about who you ARE (or what I choose to believe you are). But it’s not wrong to challenge what you SAY. That, after all, is the whole point of discussion.

arlan June 21, 2011 at 5:48 pm

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It takes no courage to speak here, there are no consequences to you in what you say.
Whether or not you mean to come across as superior and condescending is irrelavent, it is what it is.
Challanging what is said here is appropriate, but one can’t help the idiots throwing insults. When I talk about people preaching tolerance I am talking about people who are only tolerant of people they feel are worthy of tolerance. If these people were truly tolerant of others, they would be just as tolerant of white supremists as the black gang banger. That is not to say we should tolerate their behavior, only that if someone preaches we should be tolerant of all others, we should be tolerant of all ideas, not just the ones we agree with or think we understand.

Barb R. June 19, 2011 at 6:58 am

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“…but isn’t that exactly what American righties want to do …”

And she wonders why nobody here (except David, who must have toddlers at home because his patience seems to know no bounds) takes her seriously.

Nothing to see here, people. Just another typical America leftie bigot.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 7:00 am

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“…but isn’t that exactly what American righties want to do …”

And she wonders why nobody here (except David, who must have toddlers at home because his patience seems to know no bounds) takes her seriously.

Nothing to see here, people. Just another typical America leftie bigot.

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So you’re saying I’m wrong? That right wingers DON’T want to deport illegal Mexican immigrants?

David Bishop June 19, 2011 at 2:13 pm

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Actually we don’t. If you look at even right-leaning economics professors, the current imbedded amount of illegal immigrants is relatively easy to absorb over two generations, and will be a positive to our economy. However, what we do want, is a secured boarder, and immigration reform. We need more low-skilled and even more importantly, high-skilled visas to allow for expansion of economy.

After we secure our boarders, and have raised the amount of high-skilled visas and low-skilled visas, I will be a proponent of an amnesty program.

David Bishop June 19, 2011 at 2:14 pm

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I have 3 Children, a 5 year old, a 3 year old, and a newborn. I have lots of patience.

Barb R. June 19, 2011 at 2:48 pm

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Yes, I bet you do David. I was blessed to spend the day with my 93-year-old Daddy – Happy Father’s Day to you and all the other Dads out there.

Barb R. June 19, 2011 at 10:27 am

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Yes, Olivia, you are wrong.

I’m fairly certain that most “right wingers” are for secure borders, but of course I am unable to make sweeping generalizations like you left wingers.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 10:31 am

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So you’re saying I’m wrong? That right wingers DON’T want to deport illegal Mexican immigrants?
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Yes, Olivia, you are wrong.

I’m fairly certain that most “right wingers” are for secure borders, but of course I am unable to make sweeping generalizations like you left wingers.

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Oh, okay, I see.

Can you name two right wingers on this board who are NOT in favor of “secure borders”? If so, I’ll admit that I’m guilty of an unfair generalization.

Or, if you can’t come up with any, how about having everyone else here help you out?

A show of hands, please? Which posters here are NOT in favor of “secure borders”? Which are opposed to sending illegal immigrants back to their own country?

Barb R. June 19, 2011 at 10:54 am

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“Which are opposed to sending illegal immigrants back to their own country?”

That wasn’t your original question. It was that right wingers want to “illegal Mexican immigrants” back to their country.

I hear that using the generic term “Mexican” for all central and south Americans is very demeaning. Could even be considered bigoted.

I’m not playing with you anymore, Olivia. David likes you. Go play with him.

Translation: I’m not playing with you anymore, Olivia. David likes you. Go play with him.

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 1:14 pm

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“Which are opposed to sending illegal immigrants back to their own country?”
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That wasn’t your original question. It was that right wingers want to “illegal Mexican immigrants” back to their country.

I hear that using the generic term “Mexican” for all central and south Americans is very demeaning. Could even be considered bigoted.
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I neither stated nor implied anything about Central or South Americans, Barb. When I said “Mexican,” I meant just that. And the reason I specifically mentioned Mexicans is that they seem to be the ethnic group that’s despised most by the anti-immigration set.

But I understand perfectly why you don’t want to “play.” Obviously, there’s no barrage of posters rushing forward here to claim that they’re opposed to “secure borders.”

David Bishop June 19, 2011 at 2:52 pm

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Respond to my earlier comment please.

Barb R. June 19, 2011 at 2:55 pm

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“And the reason I specifically mentioned Mexicans is that they seem to be the ethnic group that’s despised most by the anti-immigration set.”

Another sweeping generalization by our resident Leftie.

Why don’t you put this more appropriate question out instead: Do you despise the Mexican people or illegal aliens?

Olivia June 19, 2011 at 3:58 pm

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“And the reason I specifically mentioned Mexicans is that they seem to be the ethnic group that’s despised most by the anti-immigration set.”

Another sweeping generalization by our resident Leftie.

Why don’t you put this more appropriate question out instead: Do you despise the Mexican people or illegal aliens?

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Because the argument here (which you brought up yourself) was about whether right wingers are opposed to secure borders….seeing as how you were so critical of Sarkozy’s deportation of Romanian gypsies.

There are arguments both pro and con. On the one hand, Romanians are part of the European Union, and, as such, are entitled to cross national borders into other EU countries. On the other hand, many (not all) Romanian gypsies illegally set up semipermanent camps on private or public property and ignore French laws, such as laws requiring children to be educated. Many operate begging networks throughout cities like Paris; it’s very common to see elderly women holding babies (often drugged, to keep him/her quiet), or elderly men holding puppies (I don’t know if the puppies are drugged, but I’ve seldom seen one that wasn’t asleep), or children playing on toy accordions, in the subway or in tourist sections.

This is not to say that I approve of them being deported. Some gypsies can be an awful nuisance—-one little girl actually followed me into a toilet stall and pretended to be desperately hungry, while wagging her hand in my face!—-but I’m not sure of the legalities of deporting EU citzens without any evidence of wrongdoing.

And, no, I don’t despise Mexicans OR illegal aliens. I realize that they’re a drain on the economy, but they’re doing nothing, it seems to me, that any of the rest of us wouldn’t do, if that was the only way we could think of to feed our families.

RockingHorseGuy June 20, 2011 at 12:25 pm

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Actually, the illegals border crossers I despise the most would be drug dealers, gang members, and terrorists, regardless of their nationality. Next would be the ones that are ruining our economy. Again, regardless of nationality. Now, if it just so happens that the majority of these criminals that are now crossing the border, even as we speak, are from Mexico, I can’t help that. It’s just the way it is.

RockingHorseGuy June 20, 2011 at 12:22 pm

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You’re getting good at this translation stuff, Barb. I’m beginning to understand.

Barb R. June 20, 2011 at 12:39 pm

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Thank you.

I live to serve.

Immortal June 30, 2011 at 7:56 am

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I just read this whole page and am I the only one that noticed, NONE of Olivia’s post can be seen. Each and everyone is marked “Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.”. Does that tell ya something? It sure does me. Need I say more?

KimmyQueen June 30, 2011 at 9:40 am

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Actually if someone wants to have fun we need two or three more people to go to the first page. There are still a few Olivia comments that are not hidden.

RockingHorseGuy June 30, 2011 at 11:57 am

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I’ll get right on it.

RockingHorseGuy June 30, 2011 at 11:59 am

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Ok, I went back and brought the “ones” up to “twos.” Now someone else needs to go back and finish her off. Unlike some liberals, I only get to vote once.

KimmyQueen June 30, 2011 at 12:35 pm

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Your service is commendable sir!

KimmyQueen June 30, 2011 at 1:14 pm

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ha look I got the third one on that one… I am on a roll today!

Olivia June 30, 2011 at 12:39 pm

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I just read this whole page and am I the only one that noticed, NONE of Olivia’s post can be seen. Each and everyone is marked “Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.”. Does that tell ya something?
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Why, sure, it does. It tells me that you’re incapable of defending your viewpoints when they’re challenged. Otherwise, why would you even care whether my posts show up on this board?

Warren June 30, 2011 at 12:32 pm

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Olivia hasn’t been abck in awhile. Probably got fired XD

KimmyQueen June 30, 2011 at 12:36 pm

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na-ah the troll is still around… she was exclaiming the virtues of abortion and she is defending Michelle’s hypocrisy… basically same ol’ same ol’.

Warren June 30, 2011 at 12:38 pm

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ah. Istopped responding to her at all. I think we all should just downvote her. She’s had her say and resaid the same things 800 times – let that stand and move on.

She is going to be shocked next novemeber I think.

KimmyQueen June 30, 2011 at 1:16 pm

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Yes is true. Right now I do entertain myself with being the one that gets her posts hidden. Kayla, RHG and me find it quite diverting.

Warren June 30, 2011 at 1:24 pm

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I have my days where I am around here alot and those where I am not. I’m a semi busy slacker writer you know XD

Olivia June 30, 2011 at 1:44 pm

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ah. Istopped responding to her at all. I think we all should just downvote her. She’s had her say and resaid the same things 800 times – let that stand and move on.

She is going to be shocked next novemeber I think.

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If that’s going to happen, the GOP had better come up with some intelligent candidates….and a platform with more substance to it than “Anybody but Obama.”

“Vote for me ’cause the other guy is a bum” is NOT a very convincing theme for a presidential campaign—at least not to thinking voters.

Deb July 19, 2011 at 10:05 am

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I don’t know. The left did pretty well with anybody but Bush. It just might work, being as people now hate Obama as much if not more than they hated Bush!