Open thread: Cap and Trade Discussion

June 26, 2009, 7:46 am · 50 comments

Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore and the House of Representatives have been quietly, but furiously trying to slip Cap- and-trade (formally called the American Clean Energy and Security Act) through this week before anyone notices. This will be the largest tax-increasing, economy-killing bill in United States history, all based upon the biggest scam in the history: Global Warming Climate Change.

House Democrats must be incredibly pleased that Michael Jackson’s death is now dominating the news, further obfuscating their attempt to pass this bill in the dark of night without hearing any GOP amendments.

This is such an important topic that we’re opening this thread so you can share your thoughts and provide whatever information you hear about Cap-and-Trade today. Include phone numbers of House members on the fence so others can call and help convince them to vote no. IHateTheMedia.com had over 10,000 visitors yesterday, so you can make a difference here.

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 7:54 am at 7:54 am

Watch C-SPAN to see what’s really going on on this bill. It’s the only place to get away from Michael Jackson news. Normally, the callers are left-leaning, but since I’ve watching thsi morning, all callers are AGAINST the bill and are furious. Many are saying they are democrats who are sick of their party doing this. Many. Even if some are conservatives faking their party affiliation, not one pro-bill person has gotten through while I have been listening.

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 7:56 am at 7:56 am

Just in my inbox from Newt Gingrich:

It’s not often that a single bill so clearly defines the struggle between freedom and control. Those are the stakes with the National Energy Tax, H.R. 2454, and the House will likely vote on it today.

President Obama stated yesterday that the National Energy Tax is a “jobs bill.” He’s right. But it’s not an American jobs bill. It’s a China jobs bill, because that’s where our jobs will go. Experts predict that this bill would destroy between 1,105,000 and 2,479,000 jobs on average, every year*. We can’t let that happen.

Please take a minute to call your member of Congress, and urge him or her to vote NO on H.R. 2454.

Here’s the link to find their phone number: http://www.americansolutions.com/take-action/call.php?memberid=0038000000aaYecAAE&zipfull=93401&submitted=D

Yesterday, American Solutions members made over 15,000 phone calls to their Congressmen. It’s an amazing number, but we must push harder, because Speaker Pelosi, Al Gore and their left-wing allies are trying to corral moderate Republicans and Democrats to vote for what could be the largest tax increase in American history.

But, Congress is feeling the pressure. Your call – right now – can make a huge difference.

Please take a minute to call your member of Congress, and urge him or her to vote NO on H.R. 2454.

Together, we can stop this, and work towards implementing a real jobs bill, that will grow our economy, provide more energy at lower cost, and strengthen our national security.

Your friend,

Newt Gingrich
General Chairman
American Solutions

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D Miller June 26, 2009, 12:41 pm at 12:41 pm

I went to this site, tried to call but the line has been busy for the past hour, the petitions on the sites will not go through. Hopefully this is a good sign… Too much traffic perhaps?

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D Miller June 26, 2009, 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm

I was able to get through finally!!! I hope everyone starts calling thier representatives to let them know your opinion on this cap and trade debacle!

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Fed up June 27, 2009, 6:44 am at 6:44 am

I did not know this – guess I am stupid. But they have 5 days to change their votes. Everyone get to work! You’ll have to contact their home offices because they are on recess. Call them even if they are not in your state/district and tell them you will campaign against them when they come up for re-election.

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Administrator June 27, 2009, 6:49 am at 6:49 am

Are you certain of this?

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Fed up June 27, 2009, 7:13 am at 7:13 am

I just got the info off Glenn Beck’s MeetUp message board. The man that stated the info is always “right on” with his information and quick to deliver accurate info. It is also being suggested that everyone get red with and blue ribbons and tie on their cars to let Congress know we are unhappy with the way things are going. I will be getting a ribbon TODAY.

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Administrator June 27, 2009, 7:48 am at 7:48 am

Interesting Fedup. Do you have a link to the meetup page. I’d link to put that on Twitter to spread it around.

And use the contact form to send us a photo of your ribbons on you car and we’ll post it here.

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Fed up June 27, 2009, 11:07 am at 11:07 am

Sorry for the late reply. Just as I saw your message I found out my husband’s defib had gone off. He was out mowing in the heat – really stupid thing to do! Needed to run him to the hospital. Here is where you can find the posting on the Meetup group. http://www.meetup.com/WeSurroundThemGathering/messages/boards/thread/7166528
I’ll send a picture as soon as I can get to Wal-Mart. Right now I figure it shouldn’t be difficult to find red white and blue ribbons. http://www.meetup.com/WeSurroundThemGathering/messages/boards/thread/7139575 Hope this helps.

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Fed up June 27, 2009, 11:51 am at 11:51 am

Just a suggestion. If 8 Republlicans can change their votes, so can the Dems. Pelosi will be in full mode if votes start changing. I suggest that everyone make a quick call or fax those Democrates that voted “no” on the cap and trade. If for nothing else than to let them know “we the people” appreciate their “no” vote. Can’t hurt and will make good PR. There were 44 no votges from Democrats. It will take some time, but I think it’s something we should not neglect.

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 8:05 am at 8:05 am

E-mails Expose Team Obama’s Disregard for Data on Global Warming

Excerpt:

The Obama administration doesn’t want to hear inconvenient truths about global warming. And they don’t want you to hear them, either. As Democrats rush on Friday to pass a $4 trillion, thousand-page “cap and trade” bill that no one has read, environmental bureaucrats are stifling voices that threaten their political agenda.

The free market-based Competitive Enterprise Institute in Washington (where I served as a journalism fellow in 1995) obtained a set of internal e-mails exposing Team Obama’s willful and reckless disregard for data that undermine the illusion of “consensus.” In March, Alan Carlin, a senior research analyst at the Environmental Protection Agency, asked agency officials to distribute his analysis on the health effects of greenhouse gases. EPA has proposed a public health “endangerment finding” covering CO2 and five other gases that would trigger costly, extensive new regulations of motor vehicles. The open comment period on the ruling ended this week. But Carlin’s study didn’t fit the blame-human-activity narrative, so it didn’t make the cut.

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D Miller June 28, 2009, 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm

It was 1200 pages and 300 pages of amendments added at the last minute, the right leaning talk shows and liberal leaning abc had guests on saying that they doubted that it would pass in the senate, but who could ever trust any of them?

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Fed up June 28, 2009, 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm

Don’t trust any of them. They don’t want to have to put up with the phone calls and faxes. Don’t stop contacting – they are playing mind games. Don’t fall for it. Besides, Reid hates phone calls and faxes. It’s worth it just to tick him off.

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OnlyThinkerHere June 26, 2009, 8:06 am at 8:06 am

I’m watching C-SPAN too, too bad about 1 out of 100,000 TV viewers are doing this.

A great way to follow the news on this bullshit is:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=capandtrade

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JamminJimmie June 26, 2009, 8:12 am at 8:12 am

Did you see that they just had a “moment” recognizing Michael Jackson in the middle of the proceedings!!!! The people are out of their minds.

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RIM June 26, 2009, 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm

Well, isn’t that just special. Why, oh WHY does EVERYBODY think they have to pay such revered homage to misfits (uber-talented as he was) like Michael Jackson?

Congresspersons of the United States!!!! Just do yer freekin Job!

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 8:28 am at 8:28 am

Recent from Twitter #capandtrade:

@RyanSThompson: Rule outlining debate passes 217-205. That’s really close for a procedural vote. Expect the final vote to be even closer.

@bienvenunet: Delaware Rep. @repmikecastle leaning towards #CapAndTrade. Ask him to vote NO! Call him at (202) 225-4165

@ewerickson: Rep. Connolly (D-VA) is refusing to say how he’ll vote on #capandtrade. Call him at 202-225-1492

@SFabryRT More to read 300 pgs out of thin air added to #capandtrade bill: http://bit.ly/ZtZbz

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RIM June 26, 2009, 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm

Got through to Connolly.. actually asked my name!!!

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RIM June 26, 2009, 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm

Got through to Castle.. wouldn’t take my name cuz I’m calling from out of state.

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 9:30 am at 9:30 am

Latest:

@MicheleBachmann: See how the Global Warming Energy Tax will affect your specific district http://bit.ly/ufEnL

Democrats scramble for climate bill votes
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24232.html

Updated List of Fence Sitters
http://www.stoptheliberalsnow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=1409&p=2494#p2494

Dems leaning yes
Brian Higgins (N.Y) Phone: 202-225-3306 Fax:202-226-0347
Dina Titus (Nev.) Phone: 202-225-3252 Fax: 202-225-2185

Dems opposed
Jason Altmire (Pa.) Phone: 202-225-2565 Fax: 202-226-2274
John Barrow (Ga.)* Phone: 202-225-2823 Fax: 202-225-3377
Dan Boren (Okla.) Phone: 202-225-2701 Fax: 202-225-3038
Bobby Bright (Ala.) Phone: 202-225-2901 Fax: 202-225-8913
Artur Davis (Ala.) Phone: 202-225-2665 Fax: 202-226-9567
Larry Kissell (N.C.) Phone: 202-225-3715 Fax: 202-225-4036
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (S.D.)** Phone: 202-225-2801 Fax: 202-225-5823
Charlie Melancon (La.)* Phone: 202-225-4031 Fax: 202-226-3944
Mike Ross (Ark.)* Phone: 202-225-3772 Fax: 202-225-1314
Gene Taylor (Miss.) Phone: 202-225-5772 Fax: 202-225-7074
John Tanner (Tenn.) Phone: 202-225-4714 Fax: 202-225-1765

Dems leaning against
Henry Cuellar (Texas) Phone: 202-225-1640 Fax: 202-225-1641
Marcy Kaptur (Ohio) Phone: 202-225-4146 Fax: 202-225-7711
Glenn Nye (Va.) Phone: 202-225-4215 Fax: 202-225-4218

Neil Abercrombie (HI) PH. 202-225-2726 FAX: 202-225-4580
Leonard Boswell (IA) PH. 202-225-3806 FAX: 202-225-5608
Allen Boyd (FL) PH. 202-225-5235 FAX: 202-225-5615
Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX) PH. 202-225-8885 FAX: 202-226-1477
Travis Childers (MS) PH. 202-225-4306 FAX: 202-225-3549
Lacy Clay (MO) PH. 202-225-2406 FAX: 202-226-3717
Bill Foster (IL) PH. 202-225-2976 FAX: 202-225-0697
Alan Grayson (FL) PH. 202-225-2176 FAX: 202-225-0999
Mary Jo Kilroy (OH) PH. 202-225-2015 FAX: 202-225-3529
Frank Kratovil (MD) PH. 202-225-5311 FAX: 202-225-0254
Daniel Lipinski (IL) PH. 202-225-5701 FAX: 202-225-1012
Jim Marshall (GA) PH. 202-225-6531 FAX: 202-225-3013
Eric Massa (NY) PH. 202-225-3161 FAX: 202-226-6599
Walt Minnick (ID) PH. 202-225-6611 FAX: 202-225-3029
Alan Mollohan (W.Va.) Phone: 202-225-4172 Fax: 202-225-7564
Tom Perriello (Va.) Phone: 202-225-4711 Fax: 202-225-5681
Gary Peters (Mich.) Phone: 202-225-5802 Fax: 202-226-2356
Mark Schauer (Mich.) Phone: 202-225-6276 Fax: 202-225-6281
David Scott (Ga.) Phone: 202-225-2939 Fax: 202-225-4628

Republicans leaning no
Jim Gerlach (Pa.) Phone: 202-225-4315 Fax: 202-225-8440

Republicans on the fence/undecided
Mike Castle (Del.) Phone: 202-225-4165 Fax: 202-225-2291
Vernon Ehlers (Mich.) Phone: 202-225-3831 Fax: 202-225-5144
Mark Kirk (Ill.) Phone: 202-225-4835 Fax: 202-225-0837
Dave Reichert (Wash.) Phone: 202-225-7761 Fax: 202-225-4282
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Fla.) Phone: 202-225-3931 Fax: 202-225-5620

ADDED 12:15pm per Red State:

Add these Republicans to the list of people to call about Cap and Trade.

Tell them to vote no on H.R. 2454.

Vern Buchanan (FL-13): 202-225-5015
Joseph Cao (LA-02): 202-225-6636
Vern Ehlers (MI-03): 202-225-3831
Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ-11): 202-225-5034
Jim Gerlach (PA-06): 202-225-4315
Tim Johnson (IL-15): 202-225-2371
Mark Kirk (IL-10): 202-225-4835
Chris Smith (NJ-04): 202-225-3765

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 11:23 am at 11:23 am

Well, guess no one really cares about cap and trade here. So, I’m done.

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RIM June 26, 2009, 11:59 am at 11:59 am

I care Man, I care!!! Come on, hang in there.

I called Maloney and sent her an email. Don’t know what else to do, but pray.

I feel like I have no voice. When I called to voice my opinion they didn’t even ask my name or anything.. just a polite, “ok, I’ll pass it on to the congresswoman”.. Wow! I feel so counted!

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RIM June 26, 2009, 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm

Question.. apart from the congressmen/women on the list above, are all the others locked in? What’s the vote count for them? Is there a link for that info?

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PoliticalCircusBlog.com June 26, 2009, 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm

Don’t count on some African-Americans to get excited about “cap and trade”….A black congresswoman (this would be Sheila Jackson Lee, of Houston), reportedly complained that the names of hurricanes are all Caucasian sounding names. She would prefer some names that reflect African-American culture such as Chamiqua, Tanisha, Woeisha, Shaqueal, and Jamal.
She would also like the weather reports to be broadcast in “language” that street people can understand because one of the problems that happened in New Orleans was that black people couldn’t understand the seriousness of the situation, due to the racially biased language of the weather report.
140 MPH winds followed by torrential downpour needs to be translated into Ebonics. I guess the term “Cap and Trade” could be confused with a graduation exercise!

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm

Latest Tweets of importance:

ewerickson: Rep. Alan Grayson bribed to vote for #capandtrade. Waxman to give Grayson’s district $50 mil. Caught on tape: http://bit.ly/mX27P

@bienvenunet: #Delaware Rep. Mike Castle undecided on #CapAndTrade. Tell to vote NO. 202-225-4165

@michellemalkin Rep. Tom Price asks for a moment of silence for all those who will lose jobs under #capandtrade. Heh. Request denied.

KEEP CALLING CONGRESS, VICTORY IS WITHIN REACH 202-225-3121 #capandtrade MUST FAIL

@MichaelWilliams: Barton: to reduce CO2 emissions by 83% as proposed in the bill, we’d have to get to the level we had in 1910.

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm

We just published this article:

Democrat congressman afraid to face his constituents on Cap and Trade (video) http://www.ihatethemedia.com/democrat-congressman-afraid-to-face-his-constituents

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Armed In Bama June 26, 2009, 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm

Dont stop commenting on this issue. I do not watch TV. Im a 36 year old guy that has no use for the damned thing, I receive all of my info from sites like this, and I rather enjoy getting the info As it happens, or close to it. So keep it up, just because you arent getting a response doesnt mean nobody is reading. Great job. Mike

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm

RedState.com has updates and phone#’s of Rep’s leaning. Check checking and calling. http://tr.im/pUEw

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm

Down to the wire!
Posted by Andrew Moylan – June 26, 2009

The cap-and-trade debate is really coming down to the wire. My sources have the current count at 210 FOR, 210 AGAINST, with 14 remaining undecided (12 of which are Democrats).

The undecideds are…

Arcuri – NY
Boccieri – OH
Brown – FL
Carney – PA
Dicks – WA
Donnelly – IN
Green, Al – TX
Kind – WI
Kirk – IL (Republican)
Kirkpatrick – AZ
Petri – WI (Republican)
Space – OH
Teague – NM
Tonko – NY

http://blog.ntu.org/main/post.php?post_id=4734

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm

John Boehner has unlimited time as the Minority Leader of House and he is going to read the entire 300 pg amendment filed at 3:09 AM this morning- he’s filibustering!

And Henry Waxman is pissed.

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Fed up June 27, 2009, 6:07 am at 6:07 am

Yep, didn’t ya just love it! Now we have to listen to Pelosi gloat over passage. Sorry, but I walked out of the room when she took the mic right after Boehner. I can’t take her on a GOOD day.

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Pittsburgh Z June 26, 2009, 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm

It’s great that the MSM will concentrate on FreakJackson instead of something that will cripple the country.

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Administrator June 26, 2009, 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm

I want the 8 names of those so-called Republicans.

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Fed up June 26, 2009, 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm

It passed. I want to know what Republicans voted FOR the bill. There were 8 of them. Anyone know how to find out?

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John June 26, 2009, 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm

8 GOP who supported the bill:
Bono, Castle, Kirk, Lance, Lobiondo, McHugh, Reichert and Smith (NJ)

SOURCE: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml

Also gang…it passed the House…but it also has to pass the Senate right? What are the chances of blocking it there?

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Vince P June 27, 2009, 4:52 am at 4:52 am

So callers to Washington Journal on Fri morning were enraged?

Oh thank God… everytime I watch that, I lose hope for this country…

I’ll have to watch it and get a sense that other people actually give a fck about the country (other than great folks like this blog)

My D-Chicago Puke voted for this. I am now dedicated to ending his political career.

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Fed up June 27, 2009, 6:01 am at 6:01 am

Thanks John for the info. I finally went to bed with a sleeping pill. What a week! Sanford then this. I had hopes for Sanford. Then we have to listen to the Michael Jackson crap. I even called Fox and told them they should check out their blogs because people were enraged over all the M.J. coverage and they needed to get back to the news. I was furious! For those of you who are unaware, Senator DeMint has a website: Senate Conservative Fund that would be well worth tracking. They will only be donating/supporting Conservatives that are running in 2010. Might be well worth keeping track of what they have to say. Unfortunately right after the final vote on the bill I received a call from the RNC wanting me to donate. I told them until the GOP got its act together I wouldn’t be donating to anyone. Bad timing RNC. Vince, I am with you. Of course your “D-Chicago Puke” is not the area I am in but I will be contacting all of the so called 8 Republicans and IL Dems. telling them I will be donating to whomever wants to run against them. I don’t have much hope changing the minds of Durbin and Burris, but I am sure going to try. On Thursday, I received a computer generated response from Burris. I shot him back a “reply” and told him not to ever send me a computer generated reply again – I took time to write him I expected no less from him. Hey, he said in his reply to continue to let him know what my opinions are and how important it was to him, so I accommodated him.

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Administrator June 27, 2009, 6:16 am at 6:16 am

Anyone have a list of all 8, with phone and fax numbers?

And also the one or two Republicans that did not vote.

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Administrator June 27, 2009, 6:23 am at 6:23 am

Here they are:

Bono Mack (CA) (202) 225-5330 @marybonomack
Castle (DE) (202) 225-4165 @repmikecastle
Kirk (IL) (202) 225-4385 (And he’s seriously considering running for Senate!) @markkirk
Lance (NJ) (202) 225-5361
LoBiondo (NJ) (202) 225-6572
McHugh (NY) (202) 225-4611
Reichert (WA) (202) 225-7761 @davereichert
Smith (NJ) (202) 225-3765

And with apologies to Michele Malkin, we hope she doesn’t mind but here is a Most Wanted poster she made. You can read her complete article with this image here

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John June 27, 2009, 10:46 am at 10:46 am

perfect…i will do what i can!

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Administrator June 27, 2009, 7:02 am at 7:02 am
Pim June 27, 2009, 8:54 am at 8:54 am

I wish I had found your site yesterday, but I have got it now..
I would like to have a list of the congressmen and women who voted for this. a full list .. I plan to campaign against each in some way or another.. this puts me into the unemployed ranks, I was informed of this last week.. If it passes the senate in any form the power plant I work at will allow 3 weeks to secure the facility and shut down .. So I will have plenty of time to launch my campaigns.
If you can find this list ,please post it.
Thanks,
Pim

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John June 27, 2009, 11:27 am at 11:27 am

Did anyone see House Minotirty Leader John Boehner’s speech before the vote on Friday evening. He cycled through the entire 300 page amendment picking on highlights. In the middle somewhere Waxman interrupted him and complained that he was taking up too much time. Waxman was slapped back by the speaker saying that he has the amount of time he wants.

I have even more respect for Boehner now…

Joh Boehner for PRESIDENT!!!!!!

P.S: DON”T FORGET—It also has to pass the SENATE! It’s not law yet, do our best to stop it!

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Administrator June 27, 2009, 11:37 am at 11:37 am

It was AWESOME. I sat transfixed through the whole thing. The best part was watching Waxman acting like a little baby.

I think this might be the whole thing in 4 parts. Maybe there are more parts coming, I’ll keep checking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqosRoKh4eY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEuSahgnbzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnwTfU9kt54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-PK2b65pa8

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Vince P June 27, 2009, 11:42 am at 11:42 am

I happened to go to the Drudge Report while he was speaking and Drudge made a big deal abou tit, so i clicked on the link to CSPAN and watched it.

It was really great what he did…. I am so angry at the utter contempt these Democrats have for our country. They kept that Amendment close thier chest for the entire time this bill was being considered and didnt it reveal it until the last possible moment so that no one would know wht they were voting on.

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Fed up June 28, 2009, 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm

Well getting the red white and blue for my vehicle turned out to be more challenging than I thought. When you live in the midwest, corn growers inc, there aren’t a lot of places to shop. Ran to Wal-mart yesterday but didn’t find anything I was excited about. By the time I thought of the card and party shop it was closed. Went there this afternoon. They made huge red white and blue ribbons for me which I tied around my side mirrors. I also got flags to put on my windows. That was a challenge because my back windows are tinted so had to put one in the front window – next to my husband’s Scott AFB sticker (don’t ya love that!) and one on the passenger side window. I started to get something to hang from the rear view mirror but since IL has a law that you can’t have anything hanging 7 inches down from your rear view mirror, and I had been stopped for the tea bag, I skipped that. I would take a picture and send in but now my card reader has quit on my computer. Everyone go out and get red white and blue somethings for your vehicles. Now is the time while the July 4th decorations are still available. Leave them on after the holiday to make a statement we are tired of the way our country is moving.

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piskodrocho July 10, 2009, 3:38 am at 3:38 am

I want to listen good music!

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BlueHornet July 17, 2009, 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm

This looks cool so far, what’s up people?
If there are any real people here looking to network, leave me a post.
Oh, and yes I’m a real person LOL.

Peace,

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sifspraigiofe September 14, 2009, 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm

Kanye West interrupts and disses taylor swift at the VMAs saying Beyonce should have won the award.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss7kcgQ8ke0
http://www.NoMoreKanye.com

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Stinky49 October 22, 2009, 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm

There is no recognition of the individual. ,

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