“The Two State Solution for America” – a path to political sanity? Author proposes an idea many of us have at least considered. The problem we see with it is that the division is really more between urban/rural than by state. Illinois, for example, is Chicago surrounded by a red state, but because of the former’s large population, the state as a whole is blue. A better idea might be simply to have more power devolve back to the individual states – if that were possible with the current statist political class.

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Not so silent January 6, 2013 at 10:25 am

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I would like it, I damn well would not be living in a blue state with their tax and grab and nanny state rules. Like the author said let the liberals have their “utopia” and see how well that works out for them, something tells me they would bitch and moan that the red states are “not paying their fair share”..that would be the first liberal complaint, the next one would be about all those bitter clingers traveling through the blue states, and if your a liberal and travel through a red state, we need a version of TSA to check them out and make sure they are not smuggling liberal propaganda.

Seriously its a good idea, better that splitting off individual states, but you know the Odummy would not allow it because he would have to cut back on golfing and vacations because the money would not be there. On the other hand he could be president of the blue states for life and just not be allowed to travel to any red state..ever.

danybhoy January 6, 2013 at 5:40 pm

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Here is the problem, the left, & by that, I mean the global left, does’nt want anyone to be able to flee their dystopian fantasyland. Especially where taxation is concerned. They don’t want anyone to have a safety valve of the safe haven to live seperately, they want control. They want to tax E V E R Y T H I N G…

what you earn

what you own

the air you breathe

the water you drink

they want to tax you when you show up

they want to tax you if you try to leave

they tax you when to try to leave your sh!t to your family when you die

…because remember, they tax what they don’t want & subsidize what they do. That means if you get out of bed, & earn what you have, go eff yourself. You want to become a client of the state, you’ll get your ass kissed.

It’s immoral & at the end of the day, it will destroy our nation. That’s EXACTLY what the left wants, including Obama.

PsychoDad January 6, 2013 at 9:12 pm

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‘zackly what I thought, if not more so: “the liberals will get some states to govern…”

They will NOT be satisfied with “some” of the pie. They are on a crusade of righteousness and want everyone under their yoke. There’s a very good reason they love that UN thing so much, ya know.

flashingscotsman January 7, 2013 at 11:01 am

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Reminds me of Islam, and Communism.

Road Warrior January 6, 2013 at 8:52 pm

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How about blue counties — pockets of blue urban blight in a red America. I live in a blue state with a republican Governor and two republican houses.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/slideshow.cfm?id=electoral-results-maps&photo_id=889F2DBE-D72C-7820-

sa_rose January 7, 2013 at 12:35 pm

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And I live in a red state, but a bluish county. And my Governor claims to be red, but is actually. . . hell, I don’t know, orange?

wingater January 6, 2013 at 10:27 am

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Yep, all problems have solutions, but political discord is not a problem – it’s a dilemma, and dilemmas only go away when you die.

RKae January 6, 2013 at 11:18 am

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Washington is in that same situation as Illinois. It’s a mostly rural state where good folk are ruled by a bunch of smug dickheads in Seattle.

JPTravis January 6, 2013 at 11:37 am

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If you want power to devolve back to the states, the solution is simple: repeal the Seventeenth Amendment. It’s been a disaster. As usual, the founding fathers knew what they were doing and progressives (who pushed for the Seventeenth) hadn’t a clue.

Sidekick January 6, 2013 at 11:49 am

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I’ve been saying that for years. I think the progs led by Wilson knew exactly what they were doing when they worked on that amendment. They knew it would gut the 10th and it has.

poppajoe49 January 7, 2013 at 5:12 am

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Personally, I think the US is too big to be run by a central authority. We need to split up into 50 countries, or at least several smaller countries.
That way, we could concentrate the progressive minded folks into their own utopia, and let them crash and burn, without affecting the rest of us.
New Englandistan, Great Lakesistan, and West Coastistan would be the 3 major socialist countries, and they could do whatever they want without us having to pay for it.
Maybe, when these people see how much it is going to cost them to support their social experiments, without having the rest of us to pay for it, they might turn into red states!

PsychoDad January 6, 2013 at 9:14 pm

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I agree it would be a step in the right direction, but sceptical that it would be “the solution.” It would only shift the center of influence-peddling back to the state capitols, senatorially speaking. Yes, a step in the right direction, but only a step.

Neo-7 January 6, 2013 at 11:41 am

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With those in the ” Blue states ” primarily dependent on those that work ” Red States ” to meet their primary living needs , but unwilling to make that happen for themselves , the cry out to those that legally steal from those that have , could only lead to civil war .

Only the other hand , to think that those , in power , that have amassed an enormous amount of unconstitutional power , would ever let any of the slaves leave the plantation , is asking alot of rational thinking people .

Navyvet2 January 6, 2013 at 12:07 pm

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“Civil War” But who would fight for the Blues?? For the few that would, just lob a few pounds of crack behind their lines, wait 30 minutes and then just walk in and round em up. The problem then is, what do you do with them, because they will all be worthless f*cks. (We should just shoot em and be done with it, but we are too civilized for that.) And of course, the snooty elites and media assholes won’t be around to get their hands dirty, besides, guns would make them wet their panties.

Not so silent January 6, 2013 at 12:14 pm

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Lets Invent a “Crack Grenade”…One should be able to take out half of Chicago…

PsychoDad January 6, 2013 at 9:16 pm

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Oooh, careful — I think you’re talking in some of that codeword racist dogwhistle language there. . . ;-)

flashingscotsman January 7, 2013 at 11:12 am

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I heard it. That was racist. True, but racist.

ooddballz January 6, 2013 at 1:39 pm

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We should just shoot em and be done with it, but we are too civilized for that……I’m not.

poppajoe49 January 7, 2013 at 5:17 am

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Navyvet2, that would actually accomplish a twofold purpose.
It would end the civil war, but it would also give us the chance to actually enforce the no guns agenda that the blue states want, because we could confiscate the guns from the crackheads, and “redistribute” them to the rest of us in the red states!

flashingscotsman January 7, 2013 at 11:14 am

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I want a Glock 17 with the sights on the side of the slide. For when I want a burglar to laugh himself to death.

poppajoe49 January 7, 2013 at 4:18 pm

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I want my shotgun back.
Mossberg 500 pump, with 28″ and 18″ barrels, shoulder stock and pistol grip.
Sweet scattergun.

sa_rose January 7, 2013 at 5:54 pm

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And nearly guaranteed to hit SOMETHING

tincan53 January 6, 2013 at 1:09 pm

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I see many, many problems if this ever happened.

We all know the blue states would lose revenue with the mad exodus from those states. However, those blue states would raise taxes on everything to ensure their state’s revenue wouldn’t drop to zero.

With that being said, places like California with its large shipping ports, would levy a “cargo tax” for anything headed out of state, especially if its a red state. Blue states like New Mexico would levy a “transport” tax on anything coming in from or leaving to Texas or Arizona. If one already exists, they’d just add another level of tax. They might even levy a “Not produced in our state” tax.

Nothing but problems from this.

KW Willy January 6, 2013 at 1:52 pm

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I think it would be one sided as all the oil and Nat. Gas income is in the red states as is all the manufacturing base as are those who know how to manufacture. I think we could get New Mexico on our side if not we take New Mexico, remember we have God and our guns. I like this idea a lot. Right now I am a conservative stuck in kali and would walk if I had to to a Free Red State. I’m ready, secede now Red States!!

drb January 6, 2013 at 2:18 pm

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not really, cuz then we just wouldn’t do business with the blue states. No law that says we must provide goods and services to blue states…California would be totally screwed cuz if I’m not mistaken they do not have enough fresh water. Fresh water is piped in from red states, I believe.

KW Willy January 6, 2013 at 2:48 pm

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Don’t get your point, who care’s if Cali is screwed? We provide all our own water, that’s a point of contention between North and southern California. The fed control of our water is also a huge problem.

drb January 6, 2013 at 3:22 pm

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I don’t care if Cali gets screwed. Tincan was taking about how the blues states would tax us to allow us to export things to them. He said that was a “problem”. I was just saying it would be a problem for them, not us. We just wouldn’t do it and blue states like Cali would suffer from their own policies.

drb January 6, 2013 at 3:58 pm

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*talking

flashingscotsman January 16, 2013 at 9:41 am

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California has plenty of fresh water, if we cut off Los Angeles and San Francisco. Our biggest water problem is the federal government not allowing our farmers in the Central Valley to farm. No farms, no food, no jobs, no,…..wait. Soon they’ll have a high-speed rail to nowhere coming through. That’ll fix everything.

poppajoe49 January 16, 2013 at 6:34 pm

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I just came up with a good use for the high speed rail in Cali. Use it to send the illegals to Mexico!

CO2Insanity January 16, 2013 at 6:40 pm

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By the time they get done screwing around and finish it California will be annexed and renamed Northern Mexico.

sa_rose January 17, 2013 at 6:12 am

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No, that would be Texas. North Baja maybe.

poppajoe49 January 7, 2013 at 5:22 am

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Actually, if they want to pull that tax plan off, it would offer an opportunity to other coastal states to open their own ports.
Alaska could take in the cargo for the red states, and transport it across Canada by rail to Idaho, and ship it throughout the red states from there.
Georgia and the Carolinas could open their own ports, Florida already has ports.

sa_rose January 7, 2013 at 12:39 pm

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Texas has ports and could open more.

Progressive Hemrrhoid January 6, 2013 at 2:46 pm

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The Liberals grow up in one of their “Blue States” and promptly tax and regulate manufacturing out of the state. Then they spread to another state, thus by infecting it with the same bullshit they then claim they moved away from.
More proof that Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

KimmyQueen January 6, 2013 at 3:12 pm

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The last election opened my eyes a great deal when I saw (districts) red red red red red red red red blue blue red red red red red blue… and that WHOLE state went Obama I was like wth?! It was crazy to me. I understand it… but it is crazy to me. I don’t like it when a minority has rule and control over a majority for good or bad I just don’t like it… It seems off and unequal.

poppajoe49 January 7, 2013 at 5:25 am

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That is why each district should have it’s own vote.
One vote per district, based on how the individual votes tally, and then that would determine the national result.
This would cancel out the concentration of power in the welfare centers.

drb January 6, 2013 at 3:15 pm

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Sometimes I do think it would be best to split in two, but once established we would have to close our borders and have strict immigration laws.

flashingscotsman January 7, 2013 at 11:18 am

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The red states WOULD. The blue states would suffer the consequences of having open borders. It would be nice to show the contrast.

danybhoy January 13, 2013 at 6:16 pm

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Socialists need capitalists to steal from. Blue states would eventually suffer from civil unrest due to a lack of money for social welfare programs because of massive unemployment caused when all of the buisinesses & the rich people who owned them, left. Not a new story, but those who promote socilaism today just think that right people have not been in charge yet, & they are the right people. But it will work this time.

Porky Al Jimmydad January 6, 2013 at 5:39 pm

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I think this is a GREAT idea, if and ONLY if the RED States declare War on the Blue states within 24 hours of the separation! Why war? We want our country back and want to kick the squatters off our land.

MDLION January 7, 2013 at 4:39 am

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I wonder what it is about people living on top of each other which makes them vote blue, while people with a little space vote red? Louisville and Lexington, Kentucky’s two biggest cities, went big for Obama, but there are enough people in the rest of the state to basically give McCain and Romney 20 point victories.

flashingscotsman January 7, 2013 at 11:20 am

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I’ve often wondered. Do people become morons by living packed like sardines into cities? Or does the city life attract morons?

KimmyQueen January 7, 2013 at 11:50 am

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Good question. Many years ago there was a study that in NYC, I think it was 7 out of 10 that had SOME form of mental disease or issue. That is crazy pardon my pun.

The question remains, did the city make then crazy or because they are crazy they migrated to the city. You have to imagine that back in the day and still today in many cases, Doctors actually advise rest outside of cities for people who were sick physically or mentally… so I guess there is something to the fact that cities can induce health problems.

sa_rose January 7, 2013 at 12:42 pm

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LOOK at the people in the Northeast. Seriously. They have speech impediments, they have been going to psychiatrists at $100-150 an hour for DECADES and they are nervous wrecks. Not a one can stay calm in a crisis and the anticipate disastrous events before ANY evidence of said event is found. They are all nuts, I tell you!

flashingscotsman January 15, 2013 at 9:50 am

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That’s not a speech impediment, it’s just the way Kennedys talk.

sa_rose January 16, 2013 at 10:40 am

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Babwa Wawa, Matt Lauer, Bawny Fwnk. I’m telling you they ALL have speech problems. Just watch a few. DOn’t listen to their drivel, just analze the speech.

CO2Insanity January 16, 2013 at 6:42 pm

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Now what’s wrong with saying Pahhhk the caw in the pawk in the dawk and have a beah and the bah, then get a soder for a chasah.

freerepublics January 7, 2013 at 10:05 am

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Easy. Repeal the 17 amendment to the constitution which essentially took states rights and power from the states. State legislatures previously elected the senators but the 17th amendment changed that to have the Senators elected by the populace, making the Senate just like the House. If this was the case now, majority in Senate would now be republicans and we would not have this disfunctional government.

Thomas Sawyer January 13, 2013 at 8:49 am

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I appreciate I Hate the Media posting about my book and wanted to explain a little more about it. First, I believe it is an improvement on our current system of government and by itself will solve most of the political problems we have in our country today. That is, if it were accepted by the people and implemented. That’s the hard part, I know, but big ideas have to start somewhere, right? I think this one is and I cannot emphasize enough its potential benefits to everybody, left and right.

Second, the urban/rural issue mentioned above will be a moot point under my system – it will not be an important factor once each state becomes a part of its own self-governing region (there will be two – one for Democrats and one for Republicans). Each region will then govern itself DOMESTICALLY however they feel is right for them, and every citizen of the country will have the choice to live in the political region that suits them. The conflict and rage will subside and everybody will be able to be at peace. What could possibly be better than that?

Third, yes, barring the implementation of this idea, it would be better to have the power devolve back to the states, but THIS idea is actually a much better option than even the strengthening of the Tenth Amendment. To repeat, this idea solves most of the political problems we have in the country today. The states regaining their relative power still does not do what The Two-State Solution for America can do. All I need is to have some open-minded people with enough time on their hands to read it, and I think this idea will start selling itself. That is my only problem right now. So -

I am looking for 100 people who are interested enough in my idea to actually read the entire book and, if you like it, to write their own personal review of it. I have not pushed for endorsements from political celebrities yet, and am looking to work my way up from the grassroots. I need endorsements/praises from people like you to get this ball rolling. Then I am hoping these volunteers will promote it whenever and however they can – mention it in your comments on pages such as this, put it on your Facebook page, send your review in emails to everyone you know, add a page to your website or whatever. Spread the word. If you are interested, please write me at tomsawyer@ttssfa.com and I will send you an autographed copy. Please include a mailing address! I have just published it and it is only printed in hardcover so far. If demand is sufficient, I will look to put it on Kindle and Nook.

Thank you very much,

Thomas Sawyer

poppajoe49 January 13, 2013 at 9:16 am

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Each region will then govern itself DOMESTICALLY however they feel is right for them, and every citizen of the country will have the choice to live in the political region that suits them. The conflict and rage will subside and everybody will be able to be at peace. What could possibly be better than that?

The only problem with that is the Democrat run region will have only takers, no producers. So where will they get the funding to support themselves?

Thomas Sawyer January 14, 2013 at 8:43 am

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Thanks for the comment. Your statement is a broad generalization of the problem we have TODAY, but is not applicable in my system. I have addressed this issue fully in the book. Suffice it to say that there are MANY safeguards that prevent the Democrats from going too far in their desire for socialism. Not only that, but they will have to become responsible for their actions within their region, because they will not have the productive people to loot. They will be able to live how they want, but only to a point as they will have to be fiscally responible. If they aren’t, they would lose people, businesses and states! Why? Because the people in their region will be able to leave and go to a better-run place. Right now we’re all stuck with Obama and what the Democrats are doing. In my system you’d be able to choose between two ideological systems. Sweet!

This system, as I have designed it, has so many benefits for everyone I cannot begin to explain. I believe I have addressed every possible objection such as yours in the book. If it interests you, Poppajoe49, and you’d be willing to read it through, I’d be happy to send you a copy. You would only promote it if you liked it and agreed it is viable (ie, if I resolved all your skepticism about it). If you can come up with an objection I haven’t addressed in the book I would love to hear it – I think I’ve heard them all, but there’s always room for creativity!

Thomas Sawyer

drb January 14, 2013 at 9:35 am

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Because the people in their region will be able to leave and go to a better-run place.

These people will go the the red states and then it all starts again.

Sidekick January 14, 2013 at 11:04 am

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Exactly, the “red” side would wall itself off, then the “blue staters” would simply jump the wall to flee their collapsed system but it is not like their behavior is going to change. They will, as drb, says restart the process. But that time get it “right”. Just like Obamacare will lower your health insurance premiums.

poppajoe49 January 14, 2013 at 4:27 pm

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Ok Thomas, you have intrigued me. If you can let me know how to contact you, I would be willing to take up your challenge.
I would have to insist on one caveat though. When I finish the book, I would want to pass it along to sidekick for his appraisal, and then on to DefHarryMelon, as we 3 are acquainted and live in the same metro area. This would give you 3 unique and diverse reviews.
How does that sound to you?

Sidekick January 14, 2013 at 5:07 pm

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Yeah, I’ll read it. In fact I will buy the first two rounds at our newly formed book club.

Thomas Sawyer January 18, 2013 at 1:27 pm

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Sidekick,

Send your address to tomsawyer@ttssfa.com so I can send you your copy.

Sidekick January 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm

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I did yesterday. Tampa address. You acknowledged but I didn’t sign it “Sidekick”. I used my first two initials and last name.

Thomas Sawyer January 19, 2013 at 5:51 am

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Oops, sorry about that. I didn’t make the connection. I got yours. Not sure about Harry’s as I got a couple others who apparently aren’t in your trio. Thanks, and will send them out ASAP.

drb January 19, 2013 at 7:10 am

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Look for “Dean” not “Harry” ;)

Thomas Sawyer January 19, 2013 at 10:40 am

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Hmmm, didn’t get an email from Dean yet. drb, do you want one too? It’s natural capitalistic law to promote one’s product and give out free samples….

drb January 19, 2013 at 11:10 am

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It’s possible dean/harry didn’t respond yet…Thank you for the offer but I’ll just do a book exchange with Kick after he is finished with his copy. I’m dyslexic so it takes me a lot longer to read, break down and digest such material. So depending on how quickly you want feed back, I might not be the best candidate to suit your needs. (unless, of course, you are tryig to test how easy it is for the “reading comprehensionally challenged” to understand your book) It’s easy for me to get things kinda twisted up in my noggin, but still I think I hold my own around here, judging from other posters responses to me.

DefHarryMelon January 19, 2013 at 12:16 pm

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Gee, I just happened to catch sight of my name here while scrolling through and realized I wasn’t keeping up on this particular thread. I’ll go send an email from an account named that starts with ‘secret’ and in the subject line I’ll hang defharrymelon. All the real information will be the content. Thanks Thomas, looking forward to the read!

Email sent.

GhostntheMachine January 19, 2013 at 1:11 pm

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Imposters responses around here? Who you calling imposters … oh, never mind.

DefHarryMelon January 14, 2013 at 5:58 pm

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I have new reading spectacles for just such a purpose.

Thomas Sawyer January 18, 2013 at 1:31 pm

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You too, Harry.

poppajoe49 January 14, 2013 at 7:20 pm

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I knew I could count on you guys, plus I believe we will likely come away with 3 different viewpoints, which could be a very interesting review process, or we will all have the same take on it, which could be even more interesting!

Sidekick January 15, 2013 at 4:18 am

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I’m reading it for the beer. ;)

poppajoe49 January 15, 2013 at 7:07 am

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But, you said you were buying the first 2 rounds!
Not like you’re getting paid in beer to read it.

Sidekick January 15, 2013 at 7:29 am

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Fine. Then I’m reading it for the fellowship!

poppajoe49 January 15, 2013 at 5:03 pm

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LOL!

Thomas Sawyer January 15, 2013 at 12:41 pm

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Great! I’ve got takers! I’ll go you one better – I’ll send each of you a signed copy so you can all get right on it! And if you are anywhere near Western North Carolina, I’ll join your book club, too, for the beer AND fellowship.

So far I’ve had some family and friends read it, and a few others who have bought the book through my website. I won’t try to influence you with what they think of it, but I’m realizing that in order to get noticed out there in the larger world, I’m going to have to show some support for my idea. And I personally need some feedback from objective, third-party interests too – I think it’s a great idea and well presented, but until I get some validation on it, it remains a self-assessment.

Send your addresses to me at tomsawyer@ttssfa.com and I will mail off your books ASAP. You guys sound just like the kind of folks I need to read the book, and I thank you for taking it on. I think you will find that I have answered all your concerns of drawbacks, but in any case (good or bad), I look forward to seeing what you think of it once you’ve read the whole thing.

drb January 15, 2013 at 4:31 pm

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I’m in central NC…but I don’t drink beer, and I won’t ask for a free book cuz that goes against natural capitalistic law. (Besides, Kick will give me his copy the next time he’s in town after he has finished with it…maybe)

Sidekick January 17, 2013 at 8:11 pm

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‘course I will.

drb January 18, 2013 at 5:21 am

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thanks

poppajoe49 January 15, 2013 at 5:06 pm

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OK Thomas, you have a deal.
The 3 of us live in the greater Tampa area, so it’s a bit of a long drive for a beer, but if I’m ever in the area, I will look you up, after I steal a kiss from drb!
I’ll email you shortly.

drb January 16, 2013 at 5:23 am

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oh, poppa you are always tryin’ to steal my sugar.

poppajoe49 January 16, 2013 at 6:44 am

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Can’t help it, I have a sweet tooth, and you just ooze Southern Sweetness!

flashingscotsman January 16, 2013 at 9:46 am

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Giving things away for promotional purposes doesn’t always go against capitalism, drb. I do free shows with my rocking horses on occasion, just for publicity. And I do free photo shoots with selected models to fill my portfolio with beautiful shots. Sometimes, you have to give something to get something.

drb January 16, 2013 at 10:20 am

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It was a joke flash.

flashingscotsman January 16, 2013 at 9:26 pm

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Oh. Never mind.

sa_rose January 20, 2013 at 11:11 pm

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Like the new avatar!

drb January 16, 2013 at 10:21 am

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yeah, but then I won’t have any sugar left for the tea.

poppajoe49 January 16, 2013 at 6:36 pm

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You’re sweet enough that you don’t need to add sugar.

flashingscotsman January 20, 2013 at 11:02 am

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I just read the Declaration of Limited Independence,

http://www.ttssfa.com/The-Declaration-of-Limited-Independence.html

I liked it a lot. It makes the points that prove our present government to be in violation of the Constitution, to the point of requiring a remedy beyond the voting booth, To the point, very clear.

Thomas Sawyer January 14, 2013 at 8:55 am

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BTW, how can I save an image to the little icon that appears every time I post?

Thx, Thomas Sawyer

drb January 14, 2013 at 9:32 am

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set it up through gravatar.com