Thousands get health insurance cancellation notices. “…the cancellation notices, which began arriving in August, have shocked many consumers in light of President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their plans if they liked them.” If the media had done their job, consumers wouldn’t be “shocked” now.

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JPTravis October 20, 2013 at 6:36 am

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Yeah, it’s hard to feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to be shocked. Fuck them. We’ve been trying to educate them for five years and they still don’t get it? I’m reserving my sympathy for conservatives getting cancellation notices. Liberal Obama enablers can wallow in their own just desserts.

TeriDavisNewman October 20, 2013 at 8:59 am

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My insurance went up 116%. I fought Obamacare tooth and nail to the point of running for Congress to fight it (won the primary, lost the general) and I’m still screwed. I’m gonna become Amish to be exempt.

wingater October 20, 2013 at 9:07 am

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Would your gravitar like to have lunch sometime?

MGAP October 20, 2013 at 12:19 pm

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Yeah, she’s hawt!

Red Robster October 22, 2013 at 10:15 am

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Just don’t clip your toenails at the table wingater, or you’ll get a heapin’ helpin’ of Miss SmartyPants, i’m thinkin.

Also, I’d like to recommend the 炒年糕, but, since i’ve never eaten it I can’t. Although it does look thoroughly yummy. Bring on the Soy Sauce and 白酒. *

I just hope those ideograms don’t have any obscene meaning associated w/them. :D

*never had this either, but looks really cool.

KimmyQueen October 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm

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OMG!!!!! That is horrible!

Are there any Black Amish?

That sounds like a drink…

Big Al October 20, 2013 at 3:28 pm

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Bitter Clingers are exempt also.

poppajoe49 October 20, 2013 at 11:19 pm

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If only.

Red Robster October 22, 2013 at 10:29 am
KimmyQueen October 22, 2013 at 8:06 pm

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He looks interesting lol OMG I just got your avatar… LOLOLOL

Red Robster November 1, 2013 at 11:19 am

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Thanks, I’m liking yours too, as “mostly” always. the one with the red lips going clear across the face was, i must admit, rather creepy to me. However; I’d recently watched the black dahlia complete w/dvd extras. (shiver)

KimmyQueen November 2, 2013 at 5:35 pm

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I think you mean Sally from Nightmare Before Christmas makeup.

http://youtu.be/SJEty4mN5dU

is that the one? LOL since I like the character I don’t find her creepy at all but yeah I see what you mean.

sa_rose November 2, 2013 at 5:43 pm

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I thought it was s zombie for the season.

KimmyQueen November 3, 2013 at 11:09 am

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No, she is essentially a rag doll. :-)

Red Robster November 5, 2013 at 10:07 am

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that was it.

KimmyQueen November 5, 2013 at 7:27 pm

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There is a more glammy version if you prefer RR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuu5qocVuc8

LOL

Red Robster November 14, 2013 at 4:05 pm

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it’s ok.

C_Strasburger October 21, 2013 at 9:31 am

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We are leaving…again….

KimmyQueen October 20, 2013 at 6:51 am

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“Shocked”? LOLOLOL Really? Wow… those “shocked” must be the low information voters we talk so much about. If I was a swindler and found out who they were, I am sure I would have gotten a lot of money out of them from some racket. Obama voters are idiots. Every single one of them. You get what you voted for fools.

Neo-7 October 20, 2013 at 7:21 am

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If people that liked being lied too when he said ” If you like your health plan , you can keep it ” , wait until the word ” AFFORDABLE ” is jammed down their throats .

C_Strasburger October 21, 2013 at 9:28 am

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Is that like when someone said, “if you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free….!

Its free, its free, its free….and the serfs cheered!

Olivia October 21, 2013 at 7:21 pm

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poppajoe49 October 22, 2013 at 3:40 am

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Just wait.

TURDS!

Paden October 24, 2013 at 10:44 am

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Buuuuuull Shit.

sa_rose October 24, 2013 at 11:11 am

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Hey Paden! Haven’t seen you in a while. You doin’ ok?

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:18 pm

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Sorry Rose, I missed the TU.

sa_rose October 26, 2013 at 8:09 pm

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I forgive you! Using a stylus on my tablet is driving me nuts.

poppajoe49 October 26, 2013 at 8:47 pm

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It takes quite a bit of getting used to, and the auto word complete makes it worse.
I started out with a fat stylus, but found it easier with a skinnier one.

sa_rose October 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm

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Yes, decision to choose which word I intended to use is absolutely brain frying. My auto correct is off, but I will type a word, and it frequently chooses some other word for me. Why do you think someof my post look like I am on drugs? You can tell the ones I post fom the tablet!

poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 3:33 am

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Yea, they look like Olivia posted them!

Red Robster November 1, 2013 at 11:22 am

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I started out with a fat stylus, but found it easier with a skinnier one.

that’s what she said.

KimmyQueen November 2, 2013 at 5:42 pm

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LOL

It took me a minute…

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 12:12 pm

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 3:43 pm

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Translation:
“I’m too fucking stupid to come up with a real answer, so I’ll translate to what I want you to say so I can look smart.”

sa_rose October 26, 2013 at 8:10 pm

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Hardly anyone here listens to Rush, and you know it.

poppajoe49 October 26, 2013 at 8:49 pm

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Not to mention, that people here who do listen to Rush, freely admit it.
I, for example, might listen to him, but there is no station that I can pick up where I am that carries him.

Red Robster November 1, 2013 at 11:25 am
KimmyQueen November 2, 2013 at 5:47 pm

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I am assuming we are talking about Rush Limbaugh here… question… why is he so important? This is a real question. I don’t get it. I listened to one of his shows once and it was boring ass screaming. I was over him. I think liberals overestimate him a great deal and I want to know why…? He ain’t all that.

poppajoe49 November 2, 2013 at 6:04 pm

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Probably because they need a boogey man, since they don’t have Cheney any more.

Olivia November 3, 2013 at 3:49 am

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poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 5:43 am

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Seriously?
When you bring citation, it’s in the form of leftist drawn political cartoons?
You are losing what tiny bit of credibility you might have had.

Olivia November 3, 2013 at 6:10 am

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poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 6:20 am

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They show nothing more than the left’s over the top eagerness to demean the Republican party.

Sidekick November 3, 2013 at 9:11 am

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LMAO. You can’t make a legitimate point despite having the content of the Internet at your disposal?

poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 10:17 am

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No, because her computer can’t find any legitimate info sites, only leftist propoganda sites.

Olivia November 3, 2013 at 11:09 am

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poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 11:36 am

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According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama

After four years living in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer.
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Also during his law school years, Obama spent eight days in Los Angeles taking a national training course on Alinsky methods of organizing.
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Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).[68] During this time he taught courses in due process and equal protection, voting rights, and racism and law. He published no legal scholarship, and turned down tenured positions, but served eight years in the Illinois Senate during his twelve years at the university.[

Which I find amazing how he managed to do both effectively.
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During the four years Obama worked as a full-time lawyer at the firm, he was involved in 30 cases and accrued 3,723 billable hours.[

Or about 930 hours a year, hardly what anyone could call full time, since it works out to less than 18 hours a week.

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poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 12:37 pm

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Obama’s work focused on helping poor blacks on Chicago’s South Side fight thecity for things like job banks and asbestos removal.

Yet, when someone living in those projects sued for injuries received in a fall, Obama got the case dismissed. Way to help your people Obama!
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did you notice that the author of the article stated, later on, that, for all his rhetorical skill, Obama was and is “certainly not a disciple of Alinsky”?

Yet, he does a bang up job of following his principles to a “T”.
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Oh, it’s quite possible, Poopajoe. Lots of high achieving people (lawyers, physicians, businessmen, scientists, nurses and so on) teach classes in their field of expertise in their spare time.

That may be, but we’re talking about Obama, someone who had to have his college records sealed for fear that we might find out what kind of student he really was.
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You do realize, don’t you, that lawyers aren’t paid hourly wages? And that all do a certain amount of pro-bono work, as well as paid work?

Yet, there was no reference to him doing any such work, in fact:
Senior attorneys at the small firm where he worked say he was a strong writer and researcher, but was involved in relatively few cases — about 30 — and spent only four years as a full-time lawyer before entering politics.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/06/nation/na-obamalegal6

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Sidekick November 3, 2013 at 4:25 pm

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Well you still can’t point to a lie I told. Perhaps you are confused and think disagreement is lying. That would be no surprise given the crap you put up here. Who knows with you? Saying I lied for the last five years (when I’ve only been coming to this board since Spring 2011) is in itself a lie. So listen, Sweetie, when you can demonstrably prove I have lied, go for it. I don’t pretend to be educated and intelligent. I am educated and intelligent. I do the work required to learn about what I post. You only read Mother Jones and watch MSNBC apparently. I am almost certain that you have never read any source material. Maybe you are just frustrated because you can’t debate without the exaggerations, hyperbole, lies, distortions, and putting words in people’s mouths. So, anyway, get digging and show where I lied. I’ll wait.

poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 5:05 pm

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LOL Kick, she obviously didn’t even read the material at the one link she finally provided!
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Obama’s Selective Service registration is public. A copy has been posted publicly, and the Selective Service confirmed that Obama registered for the draft on Sept. 4, 1980, and was given registration number 61-1125539-1.
Worth noting is that nobody in the U.S. has been drafted for military service since 1972, the year Obama turned 11. Obama, like other young men turning age 18 since then, was required to register on a standby basis, in case Congress ever resumes an active military draft. Failure to register is technically a crime, and disqualifies a man for federal student aid or from holding certain federal jobs.

HMMMMM, by doing some simple math, one would discover that Obama, who turned 11 in 1972 when the draft ended, would have been 19 when he registered for the draft on Sept 4 1980, because his birthday is in August.
Failure to register is technically a crime, and disqualifies a man for federal student aid or from holding certain federal jobs.
Yet, he still managed to do all of those, even though he failed to register at 18, as the law requires.

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poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 5:45 pm

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Good for you! You finally did some research and found a reputable source for your info!
Now, it wasn’t that hard, was it? Maybe if you try that every time you post something, you would have more actual debate.

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Sidekick November 3, 2013 at 5:56 pm

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As I said, disagreeing is not pointing out inaccuracies or lying. I’ll take your response as a concession. Once again, you lose the argument because you can’t support your side.

poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 6:33 pm

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The best way to tell when she’s been defeated is that she drags out her old “I will not scurry around” line. Her BS hasn’t changed in years.

sa_rose November 3, 2013 at 11:13 pm

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Olivia November 3, 2013 at 5:47 pm
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Good for you! You finally did some research and found a reputable source for your info!
Now, it wasn’t that hard, was it? Maybe if you try that every time you post something, you would have more actual debate.
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And maybe if you put some effort into it yourself, instead of whining that you can’t find the link or get it to work, you’ll discover that I usually do.

Seriously Olivia. Over 3-4 threads and 3 weeks you have listed I believe 3 instances of a link. And we (including Poppa, Sidekick, Myself and Kimmey all read and commented on the links, You are talking out your ass again.

poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 3:54 am

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Rose, she is under the mistaken notion that copying the words that contain a link on a website are actually copying the link, she needs to right click and “copy shortcut” and paste that. It’s simply laziness on her part, and she expects us to recognize those supposed links she posts. In the meantime, we post the actual lonks for everything, but she never clicks and reads them.

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poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 5:07 am

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I know that full well, however, I have never been to a board where you can C&P a word with a link embedded in it, that supplied the link. You still need to use HTML, which this board doesn’t support, to embed the link into the words.

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poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 6:15 am

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And, because you actually discussed this without vitriol, and were level headed, I won’t TD this post.
See? We can discuss things if you are reasonable.

danybhoy October 28, 2013 at 3:04 am

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Limbaugh does not have health insurance, should he be forced to buy it as a condition of his citizenship?

poppajoe49 October 28, 2013 at 4:35 am

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Actually, in his case, it would be better to buy and not use the insurance, and then pay cash for his medical care, than to pay the fine, since the fine is based on income, because he can get a better level of care not being subject to the Obamacare rules,

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poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 6:22 am

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And I gave a way that any wealthy person can take responsibility for their own healthcare, without being subjest to the restrictions of Obamacare.
What do you have against someone choosing their own method of taking care of their health? Since many hospitals are opting out of Obamacare, it makes sense for those who wish to, to avoid using Obamacare, and paying their own way.

Sidekick November 3, 2013 at 9:08 am

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Are you suggesting he not be allowed to self-insure?

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And, of course, she didn’t bother to read the article.

sa_rose November 3, 2013 at 11:16 pm

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Sure they can. They can reject patients in non emergent situatipns because they are not network providers, or because they don’t feel the patient (or family) can’ afford the charges. They DO have to provide emergent care, regardless of financial status, but that isn’t the discussion here.

poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 3:57 am

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Of course it isn’t the discussion, but when has that ever stopped Mme Derail?

sa_rose November 3, 2013 at 12:54 pm

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Wait a minute, now. When did we have to pay to earn our citizenship (and thus residency) in the US. It was my understanding we live in a free, constitutional represemtative republic. No pay to play was ever involved. And in stating that Rush, or anyone else for that matter wants to enjou the benefits, they have to accept the inconveniences along with it. Including taking responsibility for his healthcare. So what abut the folk who cannot or will not get insurance (which is what I think you really meant in this context, not healthcare?) Do they get their citizenship renounced, Deported to whereever? sort of people withut a country? or what?

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And, the hat trick!

sa_rose November 3, 2013 at 11:26 pm

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Contrary to your delusional viewpoint, I have not seen or heard any conservative or even Moderate expect free stuff. Even though you class me in with the recipient class, I pay 2 premiums for my health insurance and the premiums increase every year, regardles of whether my income goes up. In fact. usuwally the tiny increases we get in Social Security (1.75% fot 2014) the medicare and drug premioum rise more than that amount, No body here believes in free lunch. You are preaching to the wrong group.

poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 3:58 am

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Rose, check your email.

MGAP November 4, 2013 at 7:13 am

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Once again you display what a stupid mother fucker you truly are. Welfare recipients are not all poor black people. There are people from all walks of life that are on welfare. I had an uncle who was on welfare and been since was released from prison. He taught his son how to game the system and he and his family are on permanent disability and welfare too. It’s a nationwide problem that needs to be corrected. By throwing the race card out, you’ve basically thrown in the towel because you know deep down that you can’t defend your position. Racist, Bush, KKK blah blah blah. You’re just a dumb mother fucker without a stitch of cognitive capability.

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poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 6:19 am

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Right click on the web address in the bar at the top of the page (http://www.whatever.com) then click copy, and paste it in to the post. If it’s a link in the article, right click on it, it will say “copy shortcut” and then paste it in the post.
You can try that here by right clicking on the date on any post, the dates are the permalink to the particular post.

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poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 6:44 am

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You’re welcome Obliviousidiot.

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Gingivitis Kahn October 28, 2013 at 6:25 am

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Dear Olivia

That right! You tell them. State do not belong to people. People belong to state! So it is only right they must make rent payment to live here.

Also I do not have any more roantic love for you. I have met another. Sorry. I still know that we can fight these kapitalist pig dog wingnut teabaggers that stand in the way of the loving hand of a dear leader to give them freedom from the unfair responsibility of choosing their own decisions. I know we in this fight together! I respect your commitment to fighting scourge of individual that thinks they desires more important than communities right to decide for them. Viva la boom! Kahn out!!!

MGAP October 28, 2013 at 6:34 am

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примечательный

Gingivitis Kahn October 29, 2013 at 3:32 am

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Спасибо за отметив, что.

poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 3:43 am

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Она действительно глупа, не она

KimmyQueen November 2, 2013 at 5:51 pm

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Hey!!!!! I missed you man!

I am so sorry things between you and the troll didn’t work out though.

sa_rose October 28, 2013 at 12:33 pm

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So explain to me the exemptions that Obama has handed out? Not to mention the ENTIRE Congress of the US has exempted themselves. And its not like THEY are on food stamps!

danybhoy October 28, 2013 at 5:09 pm

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It’s like they say in “Animal Farm”. All animals are equal, some are MORE equal then others.

As to he dumbass explanation…

You think selected people should be exempted from federal law, on the grounds that they have megabucks? I certainly don’t

…she does not understand the coercion aspect of what she now supports. Now, Rush can go get his BS Obamacare policy in whatever shit exchange to be “legal”, & he can go on with his COD health care with any doctor, anywhere in the world. But he understands, & she don’t, that gov’t coercion leads to the end of a gun. If she don’t understand that, then she is beyond help. She seems to believe in the big lie of better living through state control. I never have, & I never will.

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Gingivitis Kahn October 29, 2013 at 3:28 am

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Dear Olivia

Tell them! Right on! Speak truth to power! Rush is a thought criminal. He is also a speech criminal. He is spreading lies that peoples do not owe government rent money for priveledge of living in glorious workers paradise this nation will become once we have gone away with all the kapitalist pigdogs, wingernuts and teabloggers. People suffer cruely in the anarchy of a society that leaves them at the mercy of there own decision makeing. Other day my comrade spend hours paralyzed cause he could not decide which shirt to wear or breakfast cerial to eat. This is disgrace. There should be only one shirt! There should only be one cerial! And it is up to people that are experts here to choose!

“trying to convince the gullible that Obama’s proper place is in servitude, not in executive decision making”

Exactly! Obama is boss. Not the people! Yes, you got it right again!

Viva la Olivia

Kahn out!

danybhoy October 29, 2013 at 3:37 am

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It’s funny how El-Rushbo is successful despite being ignorant & uneducated, but all of the people he blasts in DC in both parties, many of whom have graduated from America’s most prestigious universities have done nothing but turn America into a complete clusterfuck. Limbaugh understands what most Ivy Leaguers do not, is that freedom is the solution to the human condition, not a top down massive gov’t that kills incentive & fosters dependency.

Just for the record, I’m lucky to catch his show once a week. He doesn’t manipulate me or anyone else, people tune in because they want his take what’s going on. But what do I know?

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 3:47 am

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GhostntheMachine October 29, 2013 at 3:48 am

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Dittos.
Oh, and nice Kahn job, long time no see.

Kip Hooker October 29, 2013 at 3:49 am

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“Freedom” is a highly subjective word. When used by the far right, it usually means “Freedom from responsibility for ME, even if it means heavier burdens for YOU.”

Yep, that is the exact definition of freedom.

sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 7:35 am

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The only thing I will concede to you Livvy, is that in the past, the rich had all the benes of being rich, but they also has some understanding of their responsibilities to the poor, the ill, the widowed (or widiwered), children etc. Not al out care mind you, but they did do much philanthropic work, made donations to organiztions that were doing that job, etc. Now the very rich only want to get richer. Overall, their philanthropy is lacking. Midde class people gie more in money time and talet than the wealthy. If they were doing better jo at THEIR job in the community, we wouldn’t be having thispointless discussion at all.

KimmyQueen November 2, 2013 at 5:53 pm

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For some reason GK’s manifesto seems understandable to me.

Olivia November 3, 2013 at 2:52 pm

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sa_rose November 3, 2013 at 11:30 pm

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So how would you describe, say Chris Matthews? Isn’t he just a loudmouth who gets [aid megabucks to pew anti conservative frivel? I don’t listen to either one, but as I watch the Big 3 news, Chris pops up every now and again, and I have never been any more impressed with what was attributed to him as what was attributed to Rusn.

Olivia November 4, 2013 at 5:05 am

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poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 5:10 am

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Matthews is the same, except he fans the flames of hate against conservatives. He’s no more political commentator than Howdy Doody.

flashingscotsman November 4, 2013 at 8:02 am

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Geeezzzzz, I finally got that turd I’ve been working on all morning.

My Dear Sweet Olivia, if Rush can afford, and he can, to pay for his own medical care, out of pocket, he would not be irresponsible for doing so. Your problem with him doing that isn’t really that he wouldn’t be responsible for his own care, but that he wouldn’t be subsidizing other people’s care.

Olivia November 4, 2013 at 8:43 am

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sa_rose November 4, 2013 at 11:25 am

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I guess I am slow on the uptake. I still do not understand why private pay for medical care is irresponsible? Regardless of all the what ifs of developing a chronic disease, having a catastrophic accident, stroke, or what ever, as long as the bill gets paid, it gets paid. So why is paying cash not responsible and paying with insurance is?

flashingscotsman November 4, 2013 at 12:01 pm

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My Dear Sweet Olivia, are you actually claiming that when all the paperwork is filed, and you’ve refused to move from your home which you bought and paid for, the IRS agents, Marshals, Sheriffs, and whatever other LEO show up to forcibly remove you, will be unarmed? Stop the nonsense, and just answer the question. Why do IRS field agents carry weapons, if they’re unarmed, and justice isn’t served at the end of a gun barrel?

GhostntheMachine November 4, 2013 at 12:10 pm

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From a ‘reputable’ source, as per you,
Rep. Jeff Duncan wants to know why IRS law enforcement agents are training with AR-15 rifles
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/jeff-duncan-irs-rifle-training-92662.html

From your gov’t
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=8d3b076bd4de14bbda5aba699e80621d&tab=core&_cview=1&cck=1&au=&ck=

“The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division.”

sa_rose November 4, 2013 at 12:26 pm

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poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm

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Yep, sounds like the IRS is coming unarmed.
Justice at the end of a bubble wand!

poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 4:46 pm

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Rose, don’t you understand? Paying for yourself is irresponsible because you’re not paying for the recipient class! Personal responsibility is racist and greedy.

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 7:53 am

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 9:05 am

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I am saying if the VERY WEALTHY were doing more on their end, it would alleviate much suffering. I applaud Bill Gates charitable work, but it would be nice if he did some of it here at home. Wehave unvaccinated children, children i decrepitand ineffective schools and most not for progit charitable hospitls are stretching to make ends come close to meeting. Oprah could build a school here, instead of in Africa (or in addition to.) Everyone buys NIKE, at otrageous prices, while the shoes are made in sweat shops much like you describe here. Coal mining is still one of the most dangerous professions, not to mention that the current method of mining destroys the entire area. Quit putting you nose in the air and thinking we are all ignorant boobs. You need to get out and about a bit before you comment on any of this. You areanive or just plain stupid.

Olivia November 4, 2013 at 5:16 am

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flashingscotsman November 4, 2013 at 8:34 am

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Ok, so you refuse Obamacare, then the IRS fines you. You don’t pay the fine. The IRS puts a lien on your home, then the lien gets bigger over the years, since you continue to refuse Obamacare. Interest and penalties accrue, to the point that the IRS, (who will make their decision based on your political activity), decides the home now belongs to the government, and they pony up one of their SWAT teams to come and take the house. Will they be unarmed?

sa_rose November 3, 2013 at 12:55 pm

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But clearly you DO think that some 49% or more of the population should be exempt from purchasing their own insurance, and want us to do it for them,. Isnt that reverse discrimination?

Olivia November 3, 2013 at 2:40 pm

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poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 4:52 pm

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DEUCE TURDS!

sa_rose November 3, 2013 at 11:32 pm

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Or maybe she knows exactly what she’s talking about because she is educated, intelligent, experienced and observant of those around her and their behaviour/

Olivia November 5, 2013 at 6:11 am

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poppajoe49 November 5, 2013 at 6:30 am

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Since you have no TV, you have obviously never watched House.
One thing that I have found to be amazing is the one thing they keep reminding us of, and that is that patients never really tell the truth. Therefore you have to use a certain amount of insight and observation in order to make a diagnosis.

Olivia November 5, 2013 at 7:17 am

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sa_rose November 5, 2013 at 10:18 am

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The nursing process which has been forever engraved on my brain cells, involves collecting data from many soources, grouping that data, then drawing a conclusion about the data. There is a lot of conversation in a food stamp office, and very close quarters. One can not only participate in some conversations, and obtain data directly in that way, but also overhear far more than you ever wanted to know, providing another data base. Same with home health patients, clinic patients, ED patients, etc. When you get it from the horse’s mouth, it has a slightly higher chance of being true. Especially if the client is bragging, as opposed to trying to convince you they really don’t drink that much (or whatevr)

poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 4:06 am

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those whose income is too low to afford to buy insurance qualify for Medicaid

Then, why did we need Obamacare? Medicaid doesn’t reject you for pre-existing conditions.

Olivia November 4, 2013 at 4:49 am

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poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 5:04 am

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But, it’s not affordable, the only people paying less are the ones with preexisting conditions, everyone else is paying more, AND there is still a gap where people can’t get insurance because they don’t qualify for subsidies, and can’t afford full price, so they’ll have to go without.
Plus, the president who said “If you like your doctor/insurance, you keep your doctor/insurance PERIOD” knowingly lied in order to get the law passed.

Olivia November 4, 2013 at 5:58 am

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flashingscotsman November 4, 2013 at 8:38 am

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My Dear Sweet Olivia, no matter how fast it’s spinning, it’s still a lie.

flashingscotsman November 4, 2013 at 8:34 pm

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Oh, I see. Now I understand. What he MEANT to say was, if you like your plan, AND I LIKE YOUR PLAN, you can keep your plan. Well, he just kinda left out that little detail.
And of course, you can only keep it temporarily. He DID also say that the intention was to go to single payer, but it would take a while.

poppajoe49 November 5, 2013 at 4:52 am

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The website debacle will fast-track single payer. Then we can all see what it’s like to get healthcare in Cuba and Somalia.

Olivia November 5, 2013 at 6:52 am

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poppajoe49 November 5, 2013 at 7:13 am

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No, he didn’t say “period.”

WRONG AGAIN!!!
You really need to get your TV out of mothballs, and see what the MSM is saying, or better yet, listen to Obama himself……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDoA_vTxklI

Olivia November 5, 2013 at 7:31 am

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poppajoe49 November 5, 2013 at 3:25 pm

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Ok, I was guessing on Somalia, based on how everything else is there.
I did notice, however that you ran as fast as possible from your insisting that Obama never said “period”.
Video really sucks, doesn’t it? :-D

KimmyQueen November 5, 2013 at 7:29 pm

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Poppa, You would think they will train the trolls better and at least tell THEM the lies that Obama told… I mean seriously!

Olivia November 3, 2013 at 3:50 am

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poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 5:09 am

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But, nobody HAS to buy it, they can opt out, just like the top hospitals are doing.

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poppajoe49 November 4, 2013 at 6:12 am

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Then you didn’t read the article, and Rose addressed that point, hospitals can reject patients any time they want except as an emergency, then they can transfer a stabilized patient to a county hospital. If you don’t believe it, just ask Michelle Obama, she is well known for doing that.

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And again, you are delusional. Private hospitals transfere patients with limited financial resources to public facilities every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Maybe you have a state thing that prevents that, but its done all over the country,

Olivia November 7, 2013 at 3:44 am

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flashingscotsman November 7, 2013 at 7:10 am

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Another turd! Starting my weekend off right!

sa_rose November 7, 2013 at 12:39 pm

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I they have medicaid/medicare they have financial resources. Mayabe not as much as a privately insured patient, but they DO have some payment ability. And not all hospitals take those funds, and are therefore not required to take stable, non emergent patients. THey may stabilize in the ED, then are shipped out to a public hospital if available.

sa_rose November 5, 2013 at 10:24 am

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And get the living S*** fined out of them, plus ever increasing penalties, up to and including jail time. I on’t think hospital Boards or CEO’s get jailed for opting out.

sa_rose November 5, 2013 at 10:33 am

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Again, as long as he is able to pay for his own care (responsible) why should he be penalyzed? This is why so many Attorneys General felt the law was unconstitutional. And that is still being debated before the SCOTUS. THe only thing previously decided was that a penalty for not enrolling could be seen as a tax, and that therefore was constitutional. Many other aspects of he act, including the actual requirement to participate is still up in the air.

KimmyQueen November 5, 2013 at 7:31 pm

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Because it is not fair that he gets to have it easy while others don’t. It is not really irresponsibility that is an issue here is “fairness”. However if he was a liberal this wouldn’t be an issue.

sa_rose November 7, 2013 at 12:42 pm

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Life ain’t fair. *SOB* You right Kimmy. What it boils down to is it isn’t “fair” for so to be able to pay out of pocket, while others have to pay for insurance. Mind you I am not saying no insurance should be available to folks, but if someone is fortunate enough not to require insurance, then that’s fine with me.

Not so silent November 7, 2013 at 8:46 pm

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A fair is a place you go to ride the rides, eat cotton candy and step in monkey poo….life is not fair no matter how many rules the demotards create..

Olivia November 8, 2013 at 3:23 am

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What on earth are you even talking about, Olivia? I noted that the Left seems to have issues with peope who can pay cash for their care, rather than buy insurance. I am not objecting to those who need iurance being able to get it. You are solooking for an argument, that you complete twisted what I was saying (TO KIMMY, incidentally, not you.) Hermother IS payng for others care. Its how insurance works to some extent. Its just that before Obamacare (and the resultant changes in and excessive cost of policies) there used to be some choice. Now there is none.

Olivia November 8, 2013 at 12:22 pm

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sa_rose November 8, 2013 at 8:57 pm

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Lying bitch. I NEVER SAID TO BOYCOT INSURANCE. You must have heard that from the voices in your head. Go back and reread the . Post for comprehension, since you clearly did NOT understand a nd anything about it!

Olivia November 8, 2013 at 3:38 am

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sa_rose November 8, 2013 at 12:02 pm

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Because our current patchwork system is easy for freeloaders to abuse, and they most definitely DO abuse it.

And is this what we have been saying all along? Veru conservative coment Livvy. Welcome to the dark side! HAHAHAHAHA. And when I referred tothose able to pay for their wn care, I was thinking the Kennedys, Hollywood celebraties, Sports stars, Business folk like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. I promis you, they have enough to cover whatever would happen to them. Steve Jobs certainly did!

Olivia November 8, 2013 at 12:28 pm

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Joe Redfield October 20, 2013 at 7:45 am

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Tick…tick…tick…

PsychoDad October 20, 2013 at 9:49 am

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Ha! We have ways of making you tock!

poppajoe49 October 20, 2013 at 11:20 pm

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BOOM!

Joe Redfield October 21, 2013 at 1:14 pm

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Not yet…but soon.

Red Robster October 22, 2013 at 10:30 am

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yeah, after the ululations.

AZ Dude October 20, 2013 at 7:52 am

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Bbbut surely it’s those greedy insurance companies’ fault. It simply cannot be the fault of Obamacare!

Be careful what you wish for, progressives. . .’cuz you are now getting it!

stinkfoot October 20, 2013 at 8:48 am

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“surely it’s those greedy insurance companies’ fault.”

That’s most likely part of the script moving forward- it’s not like these demagogues haven’t played class warfare games before.

stinkfoot October 20, 2013 at 9:18 am

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…and don’t call me Shirley.

AZ Dude October 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm

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“Quick. What can you make of this?”
“I can make a broach. Or a hat. . . “

Red Robster October 22, 2013 at 10:33 am

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And Leon is getting laaaaaaargerrrrrr.

Olivia November 5, 2013 at 7:01 am

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Weknow you want ocialized medicine. YOu have made thatabundantly clear. And tht doesn’t make you any smarter, or “righter” than those who DON’T want socialized medicine. There are problems with our healthcae sstem inthe US. Those problems mainly revolve around access. Our actual healtcare is the best in the world. I just do not think that socialized medicine, espectially as outline in Obama care, is going to increase accress for those who need it most. And so far, that is roving to be true. Simple fact, that you can’t spin. People who HAD insurance are losing it, andmany cannot afford the cost of the new ppolicies being offered. I wait to see how tax credits or subsidies or whatever ar going to impact tat fact.

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sa_rose November 5, 2013 at 12:44 pm

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Busincesss decidions that affect the availablity of healthcare Does “have some thing to do with socialized nedicine” or tyou wouldn’t be whiining about the insurance companies. I grew up in the military. I have 13 yearsof experience (good and bad) wit socialized medicine. How long were you under socialized medcal care? The GOP hasnever accused those who cannot afford health insurance as either greedy or lazy to the best of my knowlege. You are foing to have to come up with a reference for that one. A link to Youtube, an article, a book, something. As far as benefitting from Insurance companies, there are as many Democrats as Republicans holding shares in insurance companies, and Democrats have done their fair share of favorng business over individuals. They talk a good game, but when the votes come in, the Lobbyists are the ones that win. With BOTH parties. Get your head out of your ass, quit assuming that anything from the Democratic Party is direct from GOD and try to look at things objectively. I appreciate you are ignorant about many things (as evidencd by the psts you have left hee) but make sme effort.

Olivia November 7, 2013 at 5:50 am

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MGAP November 7, 2013 at 10:09 am

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You really are too stupid to have a debate with. I bet you think you’ll get a raise once ACA is fully implemented. Everyone will get pay cuts to help pay for soaring medical costs. Enjoy yours asshole.

Olivia November 7, 2013 at 11:32 am

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sa_rose November 7, 2013 at 12:44 pm

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I set it up. Somene grab it!

sa_rose November 7, 2013 at 12:43 pm

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LINK? I didn’t think so. YOu are blowing smoke again. (still)

MGAP October 20, 2013 at 8:01 am

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I got nothing constructive to add here. Sooooooooo

Neener neener neener, told you so, told you so, neener neener neener

Buahahahahahahahahah

MGAP October 20, 2013 at 8:10 am

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Oh, and I hope you have to sell your Prius to afford that free healthcare. Enjoy riding the bus, asshole!

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And agaion, I dn’t think ED’s should be used as primary care, and I certainly don’t thinks it is free for anyone. So again, delusional!

I set it up again. Where are you Sidekick, Poppa or flash? Kimmy? Someone grab it!

Sidekick October 20, 2013 at 8:37 am

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It is much easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain.

poppajoe49 October 20, 2013 at 11:22 pm

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I wonder if there will be any posts here when Oblivious loses her insurance.

sa_rose October 22, 2013 at 9:47 am

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Of course not. I am not sure I believe her claim that nothing in her insurance has canged either, she thinks Obama is the messiah, and he can do no wrong. he would support executions if he recommended them, and would volunteer to be first, just to show her devotion.

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PsychoDad October 28, 2013 at 8:42 am

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Well you know where to go get all the socialist medicine you can handle. Bye.

PsychoDad October 28, 2013 at 8:43 am

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PS — what’s with ;>) ?

Some kind of Tourette’s Syndrome?

sa_rose October 28, 2013 at 12:37 pm

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Once again, for the memory impaired, I don”tlisten to Rush. I use the term Messiah based on the whole hearted support of any whacked out idea Obama has, the acceptance of lies which have been clearly revealed and documented, and the disbelief that their might possibily be other lies, more heinous thant the ones known. It is like a cult member with their “messiah” leader.

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Gee, it must be awfully hard to be so fucking smart that you know what’s in someone’s mind that they don’t.
How do you do it? Actually put thoughts that aren’t there in a persons head?
Is it possible that you’re just another fucking know it all, who doesn’t know shit?
Makes more sense, doesn’t it?

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As Rose said, for the mentally impared, I don’t listen to Rush, I also don’t have any idea what his website address is, so I don’t read his transcripts. I do talk with other people about this travesty of a president, and maybe I get some of those words from them. People here admit they listen to Rush, maybe I got some of these words from them. Did you ever think about that? Hell no! You’re a fucking know it all and once you have some stupid idea in your head, nothing can get it out!
Also, I never disappeared from a discussion, you do that. I just don’t have as much free time to waste as you do, so I actually am not here 24-7 like you are.
Go fuck yourself.

sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 7:45 am

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You’ve disappeared from discussions after being owned by Poppa, or Sidekick more times than I can count. Pot? Meet kettle.

sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 7:43 am

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But look at the healthcare nightmare ALREADY! It ISN”T making healthcare in everyone’s reach. It is causing some who HAD insurance (which is really what this is about, not healthcare) to lose it, and in some cases, to be unable to afford replacing their old insurance with a similar new insurance. Not every state will have healthcare exchanges. What happens to those people? And the cost of Obaacare is now covered by the Federal Government (or so they say) but eventually will devolve to the states. How will tey finance it. Tey can’t even finance decent schools!. And I am NOT racist, you stupid bitch! I married across racial lines, idiot! Just because Obama sucks doesn’t mean I don’tlike black people!

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sa_rose October 30, 2013 at 11:46 am

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Medcare and Social Security ARE a mess. THey never STOPPED being a mess. And COngress has made it so much worse by “borowing” (never to be returned) money from the Social Security trust fund for other projects. I agree that theRepublicans had no better ideas. But at least they had the good sense to pass some POS legislation they knew would never work. No decision in Washington is made in the interest of the people. I would think you are bright enough to understant THAT at least. THe decisions are based on monetary exchanges. Whatevr is good for the Congressman (or Senator) us passed. If the people benefit, that’s just gravy. And the wensite is not having a few glitches to work out now that its live. THE ENTRE WEBSITE IS F*(&^UP! It was poor constructed in the first place, and add a few million people trying to get online with it and you hae a disaster. Adn it is now being reported that some of the site has already been hacked. So much for security.

Olivia November 5, 2013 at 7:06 am

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poppajoe49 November 5, 2013 at 7:20 am

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Yea, because nobody ever picked that up and spread it around, so there’s no way that Rose could have heard it anywhere else, like maybe here, where people that admit to listening to Rush have said it themselves.

sa_rose November 5, 2013 at 10:41 am

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I already “explained” to her where it came from in another thread. She knows I don’t listen to Rush, she just keeps harping on it because 1) she’s stuid and 2) she’s here to make everyone miseerable, and “discussing” the samme BS over and over and ove. . . is how she plans to wear us down to accept her view of the world.

sa_rose November 5, 2013 at 10:39 am

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We have already had the conversation about calling Obama’s cult of personality a Messiah complex. Why are you bringing it up again? Didn’t understand it the frst time? Or just because you need to keep agitating and annoying because that is why you come to the site to begin with?

Olivia November 5, 2013 at 11:06 am

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No, just correcting you, Rose. You see, there IS no “Obama’s cult of personality.” That’s yet another histrionic myth fed to you by the right wing media, who have been trying like crazy to demonize Obama ever since he defeated Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primaries. (Before that, they were spending most of their time trying to demonize Hillary Clinton.)
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Translation; I’m a stupid mother fucker and I’m willing and able to prove it. Wanna see my tattoo?

Red Robster November 5, 2013 at 11:48 am

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turds

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There IS a cult of personalityand its as plain as the nose on your face if you aren’t a member. No matter what he does, or doesn’t do or whatever he is fawned upon, supported beyod reason and defended from taing responsibility for anything (as evidenced by yor above reerence to Bush. You do know, that he was in communitcation with Bush during the last quarter or so of 2008m and agreed to the moves Bush made to try and salvage the economy after the housing market crash and the subsequent Wall Street drops? Bush didn’t operate in a vacuum.

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And aother set up. Your health insurance hasn’t changed but I notice you had to complete a mini-physical for that to be true. What avbout those whose results from the miniphysical weren’t as good as your? What did THEIR premium do? I have never had to complete any sort of physical for an employer sponsored lan, so that caught my eye. They are looking for the ones that will cost more, and the premiums will follow those results whether this year, or next when the employer mandate kicks in.

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Good point Rose, and I find it interesting that someone who just went through the health problems she did, is not getting an increase, it’s not like she isn’t susceptible to having further problems, and that is an expensive treatment, and she now has a “pre-existing” condition.

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The longer this argument goes on, the more painfully clear it becomes to me that those making the most noise here really don’t know what they’re talking about.

True, since you have by far the most posts on this thread.

sa_rose November 8, 2013 at 11:26 am

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Actually, part time doesn’t usually GET insurance. It is generally reserved as a benefit for the full timers.

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Which is why group healthplans are generally cheaper than private insurance. Th risk is spread out so that the premiums from the ones NOT requiring csre help to balance the cost of those who do need care. And again, In orderfor you to freeze your premiums at the 2013 rate, you had to gt this miniphusical (that is what those screening are generally called in the insurance world.) WHat was your premium cost if you DIDN’T do the miniphysical?

Olivia November 8, 2013 at 12:34 pm

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About 22% higher.

deepthinker October 20, 2013 at 3:26 pm

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Wow there goes that promise of keeping your insurance and keeping your doctors. Guess that free is not so free and the statements are turning out to be lies. Useful TOOLS and FOOLS. Bought that hope and change and now you have lies and despair. Way to go. When you feel the need to whine and or bitch, try whining and or bitching to your beloved quagmire.

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poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 3:55 am

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfl55GgHr5E

Go to :45 in this video. President I Didn’t Knowbama says clearly that if you have insurance through your employer, medicare, medicaid, or the VA, “NOTHING IN THIS PLAN WILL REQUIRE YOU OR YOUR EMPLOYER TO CHANGE THE PLAN OR DOCTOR YOU HAVE”.

Now, tell us how he kept this promise.
He’s as big a fucking liar as you are!

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poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 4:19 am

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DUMBSHIT!
He said that norhing will require you to change the plan you have!
Most people are losing their plans because the law is requiring them to have coverage they don’t currently have!
You lose, PERIOD!
He lied, and you are so fucking gullible that you can’t see the truth for what it is.

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poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 4:29 am

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YES YOU DUMB SCRUNT! IT’S AT :45 IN THE VIDEO LINK I POSTED 4 POSTS ABOVE HERE!
FOR THE MENTALLY DEFICIENT, HERE IT IS AGAIN!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfl55GgHr5E
GO TO :45 IN THE VIDEO AND LISTEN TO HIM IN HIS OWN WORDS WITH THE FAWNING JOE BIDEN AND NANCY PELOSI SITTING BEHIND HIM WHILE HE SAYS THAT TO CONGRESS!!! THOSE EXACT WORDS!!!

NOW, BE GONE BITCH!!!

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 4:43 am

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poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 4:49 am

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You obviously never get tired of twisting my words to make them fit your agenda.
What does “nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have.” mean to you?
To me, it means that the plan someone has will be theirs to keep, without changing any of the specifics of the plan, yet, people are getting cancellation notices because their EXISTING PLANS don’t meet the REQUIREMENTS of Obamacare!
How does that fall in line with his promise?

You can’t answer that without twisting and lying. Give it up, we all see it for what it is, you are the only one who can’t comprehend the facts.

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 4:55 am

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poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 5:03 am

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You’re fucking delusional!
I’m done with you. You refuse to even see his words for what they were! Jay Carney has nothing on you!

sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 9:09 am

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Nobody twisted anything , Livvy. Except you. You are trying tomanipulate Obama’s words to sound like something they aren’t. Look at Poppa’s link. It shows him repeated saying the same thing. If you like you plan, you keep it. Period, Except so far, some 2 million people have had ther plans cancelled,, because they don’t meet Obamacare standards, and the NEW policies are significantly higher in cost.

Olivia November 7, 2013 at 11:45 am

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GhostntheMachine November 7, 2013 at 11:57 am

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…The orchestra wrote the rules?

sa_rose November 7, 2013 at 12:50 pm

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Because he directed the congress aout the plan, and he KNEW insurance companies would per force increase premiums for many and cancell insurance all together for others. He did nothing to stop that because (he has said) that ultimately they want to detach insurance from employment and move to a single payer, government healthcare system.

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poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 5:51 am

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What I find interesting is that you are twisting the context of his words. If you had waited until the sycophants had quit applauding, he even repeated that nothing would require you to change your plan or doctor. How that can be out of context is amazing to me.
I also find it interesting that you replied to my previous posts within seconds, but the one with the video link took you 14 minutes to reply to. Which leads me to the conclusion that since you said:
“Got a link to that exact quote, in those exact words?

Didn’t think so. That’s the problem with your right wing propagandists, Poopajoe: they have a habit of paraphrasing, rather than providing direct quotes, in order to spin what was actually said.”

You never heard that quote before, so you had to go ask your handlers at Media Matters what the talking point reply for that quote would be. Nobody that wasn’t following the lead of their left wing media darlings and their ministry of truth, would come up with the analysis of his words you did, and since you obviously never heard that quote before, you couldn’t have had an answer to that in your head, hence the extended time it took you to reply.

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PJ, consider this quote from Jim Quinn: “Liberalism is the art of standing on your head and telling everyone around you that they’re upside-down.”

Kind of a twist on the CS Lewis’s quote: “The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”

poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 6:08 am

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You COUNT the minutes between your post and my response
It’s called reading the time stamps, a trick you have yet to master.

writing down the actual words, to show you that your paraphrasing was inaccurate and misleading.
Yet, I didn’t paraphrase, I quoted, therefore not being innacurate or misleading. It just doesn’t fit your beliefs and therefore must be a lie in your narrow little, demented mind.

your wife, who has been uninsured for some time, now wants to get insurance so she can get “free stuff” (i.e., be subsidized for some procedures she feels she needs).
Wrong again, she merely wanted to follow some misguided belief that if she didn’t get insurance, she would be breaking a law. She didn’t want the insurance, she thought she had to have it, and when I told her that she didn’t have to get it, just pay a small fine, she decided to pay the fine. She doesn’t need any medical procedures, but don’t let that get in the way of your demented little narrative.

you and your wife don’t want to pay for a private BC/BS policy
It’s not private if the government required you to have certain coverage.

I don’t need a pool, I have a nice one already.

poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 6:10 am

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Yes Kick, it is becoming obvious that is what she is doing.
I can’t take the lies, bullshit, and “mind reading” any more. If she had a valid point, and didn’t twist everything around, I might keep engaging her, but it’s a futile effort when she can’t even watch the man talk, and understand his words.

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We have a nice pool because we bought the house with the pool before my wife lost her good paying job that had insurance.

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 7:58 am

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Popp provide not only a direct quote, but a video of saidquote, which you then STILL declined to acceot and tried to analyze Obama’s statements into something completely different that what he said. It shouldn’t be that hard. He should say what he eans and mena what he says. So seems to me yo would be the illogical one in all this!

sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 8:02 am

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Where did Poppa ever say is wife was looking or free stuff? She has no insurance, she is getting to an age that he may require a higher level of medical care, and this insurane was meant for eople just like her. Who don’t have insurance, but would like to get it at a reqasonable cost. Except it WASN”T a reasonable cost, so the both of them are a tad upset. You’re an idiot. I mean really, has anyone tested your IQ lately?

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 7:53 am

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She ses it. She is just arguing because she thinks it makes her look smart.

sa_rose November 3, 2013 at 12:58 pm

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And he clearly said you wouldn’t have to change doctors. But between companies removing doctors from their networks and other doctors retiring or chaning careers, many WIL in fact have to cange their doctors. And there is no way you can spin that.

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poppajoe49 November 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm

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AHHHH, I’ve been waiting all day for one good turd!

sa_rose November 3, 2013 at 11:37 pm

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I harrdly think ABC, NBC, and CBS are right leaning news outlets. And this is not a conservative delusion. THere are a lot of people out there who realize they are getting screwed. And its not the rich. They will always have plenty for whatever tthey desire. I call your attention to a thread you have apparently chosen to ignore where someone who fought to get Obanacare passed, is now getting screwed by the same thing, Je lied. They ALL lied. The closest to the truth we got was Pelosi “we have t pass it to see whats in it.”

sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 7:52 am

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Oh, come on, that is such a lie! People on this board all pay for insurance or cash on the barrel head for medical care. Of ALL people, no one here is expecting the government to craft an insurance plan for tem. That’s the whole point! How can you be so oblivious?

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BC/BS did not make the decisions to include maternity care in every plan, or coverage for minor childrenin every plan, or anything else in every plan. They had certain services and types of care foisted upon them by the government. I heard n the news last night that Aetna, Cigna and Unitedhealthcare are refusing to take part in the exchanges at all, because they don’t know how many additional people they would have to cover, they consder the risk too great.

sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 7:49 am

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No, HE is the one setting them up. And people WERE told that if they liked their insurance as it was it would not change. That sounds like no huge change in policy premiums. We are not talking a rise due to Lrge payouts, or loss of income from the insurance companies, as frequently occurs, but the entore policy being eliminated, rewritten and repriced. At a SIGNIFICANTLY higher premium rate. I’m still trying to figure out how a tax credit is going to assist people who don’t pay taxes to pay for their insurance.

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 8:10 am

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You truly are delusional. We gave you a link to a speech where he said the plans would not change. No matter how much you try and twist the facts he said it. And that is only one example. He said it over and over, and no, I am not going to dig up another video, since that would clearly be a waste of time. You don’t believe even what you see and hear, so you”re pretty much hopeless.

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Nothing said here makes any kind of a dent in the forehead of Livie the Libtard…No matter what someone says she will say the opposite or turn your words and in effect play liberal with them…Look at the Gooseneck/jackboots in D.C. who do this all the time, libtards by the dozens lie every day, and no body calls them on it, so Livie with no apparent thought of her own, does the same thing…She is just a shill shrieking libtard who feels that she must prove herself superior to any conservative and point out the error of your ways…A legend in her own mind…that’s the problem with libtards these days, they all think they are smarter than everyone else, laws don’t apply and only their words have meanings. plus they feel they have the only true path to enlightenment like some kind of tin god…The founding fathers should be spinning in their graves looking down upon people like our mentally unstable and serious challenged libtard leaders and their “friends” who like the people in Germany so many years ago said Hitler was doing a good job…then after the shit hit the fan goes..Oh we did not know….bullshit, libtards know what they are doing, devious, lying, spying, pieces of shit on a power trip,m and this twit is their foot soldier hoping for a reward from der leader when she gets noticed for your efforts to promote the democrat nazi way…Sorry but she fools no here, yet vainly tries day after day, dragging out threads way beyond the point of any usefulness..posting at odd hours hoping her post will remain for a while before getting thumbed down like always. All the while living on life built on a crap foundation and having to justify it daily by pointing out all the errors those of us not in lockstep with der leader…Nothing more than a troll with no thoughts of her own, mentally ill, and living a life as directed by politicians, reminds me of animal house in the riot scene where the guy gets run over and smashed into the sidewalk while yelling all is well…Just like Germany, so many fools, fooled by so many corrupt and power mad politicians who don’t even give a shit about her, yet she believes she must get the rest of us to see the light and follow these pieces of shit in D.C. right off the cliff…Well dear they give out nobels like they use to give out prizes in a cereal boxes….I would value a piece of junk from a box of Captain Crunch more than anything the nobel people give out..and by the way the nobel is just a libtard way of saying sorry I invented dynamite..so heres a piece prize instead..all the while the peace prize is funded by dynamite sales….typical libtard double speak hypocritical bullshit…so Livie the libtard, I say Fuck you and the horse you rode in on….not even back two weeeks and you proving that your nothing more than a liberal piece of shit..your not smart, your not honest, and your never going to post anything here to change anyone’s mind..

Red Robster November 1, 2013 at 11:47 am

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‘… like some kind of tin god.”

that and dented forehead. :D Buddy you really know how to write a picture!

Progressive Hemrrhoid October 20, 2013 at 3:27 pm

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We’ve been telling these useless idiots this was going to happen, no matter what candy coated bullshit oozed from Quagmire’s lips. They refused to listen, too caught up in the fawning bootlickers in the media’s attacks on the truth.
A lot of people are going to suffer because of this, but I hope these liberal shit stains suffer the most.

danybhoy October 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm

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They will, they just don’t know it yet.

Navyvet2 October 21, 2013 at 6:20 am

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People keep getting it up the a$$ from this regime and they sniff and mewl and play the “poor me” card. Fuck em. If they were smart enough to figure out they were obviously lied to yet AGAIN, they should vent their wrath on the media who fed them the bullshit. But, I’m sure they sit there gawking at the alphabet media or their local asswipe er paper, and are told it is all someone else’s fault and they suck it up like the gullible lemmings they are.

C_Strasburger October 21, 2013 at 8:59 am

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Received ours from BCBS last week, essentially cancelling a plan that has worked well for us for years. My wife spent a day or two looking at options thru them and it gets even worse. Not only the policy pricing, but the way deductibles are calculated? You won’t ever meet an individual deductible….ours went from $5000 between the two of us, to almost $25K collectively. And that has to be met before you ever get any individual benefits. I won’t even go into the rest of the details today…but after listening to Little Sissy Stompyfoot today, lying his miserable, pathetic liberal ass off, I just laughed….the lies and deceit spewing like an over flowing sewer. He’s good at that. BTW, was that idiot that introduced assclown using his teleprompter?

99.9% of the complete and utter idiots supporting this assclown, and this inane legislation are in for a rude awakening. Doubt any of them have actually taken the time to do their own research. They are nothing more than lemmings, racing to their own deaths over the cliff.

Welcome to the NEW and IMPROVED Amerika! Land of the Stupid and Home of the Rainbow.

poppajoe49 October 21, 2013 at 4:47 pm

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We’ll all be much better off paying the fine and cash for our medical care. It will accomplish 2 things.
1, it will drive prices down.
2, it will bankrupt Obunglescare.
It’s a win-win.

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poppajoe49 October 22, 2013 at 3:40 am

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TURDS!

C_Strasburger October 22, 2013 at 5:25 am

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Olivia, were you born stupid? I’d say yes. We could have accomplished that at a far lesser cost to the taxpayer (clearly something you don’t do), and adding 12, 30, 48 (whatever the number of uninsured is today – it changes with the wind) million without insurance, without destroying the finest insurance and healthcare system in the world.

Is “healthcare” one of your specific key words, troll?

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poppajoe49 October 22, 2013 at 6:10 am

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I’m no troll

Can’t prove that by what you post here.

flashingscotsman October 22, 2013 at 8:12 am

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My Dear Sweet Olivia. You are a troll.

There, I said it, that makes it a fact. Hey, works for Obama.

sa_rose October 22, 2013 at 10:00 am

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True. I saw it in the internet! and everything on the internet is true! (right?)

flashingscotsman October 22, 2013 at 1:08 pm

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There’s a truth meter at each and every server. If it’s not one hundred percent true, it doesn’t get posted. Al Gore put on there from the first day.

poppajoe49 October 22, 2013 at 3:01 pm

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So, Obama’s a troll?

sa_rose October 23, 2013 at 9:35 am

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Hahaha! He has the ears! Sorry. I couldn,’t resist.

C_Strasburger October 22, 2013 at 8:26 am

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Really, now? Well then, you must hold a compete disdain for onumbnutz, liberals in general, and this notreallyhealthcare travesty due to all the lies, deception, and misinformation propagated by this administration? right?

Read, and then reread my post about BCBS above, troll. Those are facts. I don’t really care whether you like them or not…you can believe whatever you want…the facts are the facts….

BTW, you are obviously a troll… And, your comprehension of history truly is astounding… I’m sure your mommy is very proud.

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 6:01 am

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 6:08 am

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“lies, deception and misinformation” isn’t that at all.

Then what would you call
“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”
“If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance”
“You will save $2500 per person a year on health insurance”

HMMMM, sounds like lies, deception, and misinformation to me.

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 6:55 am

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sa_rose October 24, 2013 at 11:39 am

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 3:47 pm

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Thanks Rose, I made one tiny error, it was $2500 per family.
Yet, I can’t find one family or person who is paying less, can you?

sa_rose October 24, 2013 at 11:16 am

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And those of us who can’t even GET Fox news? THe ony newon TV to which I am exposed is the Big 3 major broadcasting outlets. So where am I getting the lies Fox is supposedly producing. I have seen far more examples of lying from the Big Three. They have even acknowleged some of them on air. There HAVE been lies. Obama promised people could keep their current plans. Wrong. He promised the raes woul dbe lower. Wrong. He intimated that employers would save so much they could giv everyone a raise. REALLY wrong. So how do you figure we are dealing in misconceptins about Obamacare? Looks like the misconceptions are on the President’s part, not ours.

sa_rose October 22, 2013 at 10:00 am

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The level of ignorance and incompetence you have shown in your posts pretty much argues against your ability to givbe a reality check. You wouldn’t know reality of it bit you in the ass. You aren’t even competent in your own field! The situations described here ae pulled form other news reports, analyses, etc. We aren’t pulling themout of our asses with no credible citations. You, on the other hand. . . .

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 6:59 am

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sa_rose October 24, 2013 at 11:39 am

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Do NOT misquote me. I stated that I had not seen any studies that pointed to an increase risk for breast cancer in Transgendered men, but conceded that long term hormone therapy could increase risk. And I stated that there was breast tissue under their implants, which placed them at the same risk factor as other men, and I even noted the risk of the Braca gene as increased risk for any man. Get your shit straight.

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 3:49 pm

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Too much trouble for her to get things right, and they will not support her point if she did.

Red Robster October 22, 2013 at 10:09 am

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you’re a legend in your own mind.

Also, you’re at least a troll, at best, an orcess.

Also, also, your mama dresses you funny.

Also, also, also, you’re delusional.

Also, also, also, also your yore comments prove these salient points.

Armed and Awesome October 27, 2013 at 3:44 pm

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Actually, I don’t think she was born stupid. She clearly takes lessons, AKA public education.

sa_rose October 22, 2013 at 9:56 am

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But Obamacare wasn’t supposed to be catastrophic insurance. It was supposed to provide insurance for ongoing well care to prevent the advancement of disease and disorders to the point they became catastrophic. Some will gain insurance, but many who already have it will lose it as companies alter the plans and increase the cost. Truthfully I have several serious chronic conditions, and I would not pay for a policy that had a $25,000 deductible. Why pay premiums? My cost of care is less that the deductible and I would be wasting the premium cost. Anyone who understands insurance could see this coming. Just noone wanted to accept the truth.

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 2:43 am

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 3:25 am

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So, instead, the goobermint decides to make a law that penalizes those without serious health issues, and causes them to be dropped by their insurer!
Why? Ostensibly because their insurance doesn’t meet the Obamacare mandated coverage requirements. What would those be? Not having coverage for minor children, maternity coverage, and prenatal coverage for men, and for women over 60 years of age! Can you tell me why they need to carry that coverage?

Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 3:40 am

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This is a redistribution scheme. The government is following the Social Security model by forcing the young to pay for the old. To a central planner it makes perfect sense. To the rest of us, we know the system eventually collapses.

Central planning versus nihilism, the favorite false choice of the left.

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 3:59 am

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 8:16 am

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You are mixing apples and oranges. Grandma being “kept alive is in a completely different category than a 27 yeear old on an MVA. I don’t support keeping elderly people alive long after whoever they were has left the building. I thik man families have guilt issues and want to prolong her life, but to me, that is no life, and m children have been made SERIOUSLY aware of that. On the other hand, no one seems concerned about keepin a 24 week preemie alive by any means possible, even ifit means a liftime of serious medical care, and an inability to ever become a functioning, productive citizen. Are YOU gonn tell his Mom you are pulling the plug because he just had his 3rd brain bleed? its all about point of view.

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 8:22 am

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:21 pm

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In this case though, it seems the older are paying for the young and irresponsible.
Women that are postmenopausal are paying for prenatal and neonatal care for those who can’t afford kids.
It’s an expansion of welfare.
That said, as I mentioned earlier, NOBODY is paying less, EVERYONE is paying more!
So much for the “affordable” part of the cACA.

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:38 am

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Because it’s cheaper to provide one-size-fits-all insurance for everyone, than it is to custom tailor insurance policies for each individual, Poopajoe

Then how do you explain the huge increases in policy premiums for EVERYONE?

sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 8:23 am

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Instead of picking on Poppa, who has always paid for his medical care above and beyond what the VA provides, and has paid for all his wife’s care with or without insurance, I am having difficulty understanding why you continue to say he (and all of us for that matter) are irresponsible. It is irresponsible to have a baby out of wedlock. It is irresponsible to use rent and utility money for drugs and alcohol. Why do I never hear you talk about THAT irresponsibility, instead of hassling someone who has worked and paid taxes his entire life? Ad he is employed full time. Are you irresponsible because you only work part time? You have no children (at leat I hope not) so there is no reason not to work fulltime and pay more taxes to cover the programs you support.

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 8:32 am

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Not so silent October 29, 2013 at 8:56 am

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TD MO nothing to see here but a libtard regurgitating talking points…

KimmyQueen November 3, 2013 at 11:18 am

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Rose remember that producers are not allowed to spend the money they work for on themselves and their families… you see the RESPONSIBLE thing according to idiots socialists is for producers to spend their money on government programs allowing for the non producing socialists to feel good about themselves for forcing producers to comply to the things that socialists want, but won’t pay for themselves.

sa_rose October 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm

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Its a lot of the well care demands that the insurance companies are claiming they can’t provide at the same cost as before. Most employer insurance carried maternity care, children to age 23 (if part of the policy and the family chose a plan that included children) And the pre existing clause was generally a delay in payment for a specific condition that had been treated within the last 6 months. Most of the time after a waiting period, preexisting was covered as well

Olivia October 28, 2013 at 2:25 pm

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 8:29 am

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So what you wanta government plan like Medicare? You REALLY are crazy! Medcare does cover senior’s care, but t only covers hospitalizations. IF you pay for part B, it covers doctors, DME, outpt therapies, etc. And IF you pay anther premium, you get a prescription plan that helps cpver medications. Mind you, they aren’t free, but discounted. This last onth, I paid more on one of my prescriptions than the insurance did. Medicare is dying under money lost to fraud and unnecesary care, and many things the elderly really NEED, like eyeglasses and hearing aids aren’t covered at all. And since Medicare doesn’t cover them, no Medicare supplemental insurance will cover them either! Some of the Medicare advantage programs address that, but they are for profit organizations looking to make money on your mdicare premiums by offering “more efficient” healthcare. That frequently translate to limiting or not approving needed care.

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 8:36 am

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sa_rose October 24, 2013 at 11:43 am

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Yes, small European countries hve passed socialized medicine laws. And now England and France are drwoning, Ireland is drowning, Greece is already bankrupt, and other countries are frantically trying to figure out how to PAY for their socilaized medicine. And anyone who is able comes to America for treatment. So how’s that working for them again?

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:23 pm

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Not to mention that we are exponentially larger than any of the Eurosocialist countries, and they are having trouble paying for their healthcare. How are we supposed to do it on a much larger scale?

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 8:37 am

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 9:15 am

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But its not cheaper! You keep dragging that out in one form or another, but the bottom line is ITS NOT CHEAPER!

Olivia October 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 8:32 am

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According to the patients, they come here becasue they cannot get electivesurgeries in a reasonable time frame, and the delay even in testing throws them weeks or even months delay getting some kind of treatment. Your right, the ones that come here are thse that can afford to when I said anyone who is ble is comeing here for care. The rest are left to rot at home.

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 8:33 am

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 9:19 am

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The statistic are irrelevant because you wouldn’t believe them if they were engraved in gold. You stated your incorrect theory on why people came here for treatment, and I corrected you with what the actual patients say. I don’t expect you to believe me. I could descend from on high on clouds of gold and silver with GOD himself at my side, and you wouldn’t believe it.

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 9:26 am

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sa_rose October 30, 2013 at 11:49 am

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I didn’t make it up, and I am not going to spend time searching for statistics that you will not believe,. and will argue about for another week.

Olivia October 30, 2013 at 11:57 am

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poppajoe49 October 30, 2013 at 5:37 pm

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TURDS!! :-D

sa_rose October 22, 2013 at 9:50 am

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ut the fines increase expoentially each year without insurance. and the whole idea of this bondoggle was to increase the number of insured, not increase it! Fail again.

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 3:59 am

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poppajoe49 October 23, 2013 at 9:39 pm

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FTA:

Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent.

That must be nearly 1 million new uninsured because of the insurance law that was supposed to get the uninsured, insured.

NICE GOING OBAMA!
What was that about being able to keep your insurance?

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 2:35 am

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 3:21 am

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Talk about unbelievably dense!
It’s the article linked in the OP!
None other than the Obama sycophantic NBC news!
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/thousands-get-health-insurance-cancellation-notices-8C11417913

Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 3:35 am

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Here is more. The total number of otherwise insured people losing their coverage is in the millions.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/millions-americans-are-losing-their-health-plans-because-obamacare_764602.html

This flies in the face of the President’s promise that people could keep their doctors or insurance. Central planners don’t know or care about the things that actually occur as a result of their actions.

As an anecdote, my company changed insurers for 2014. More expensive than what I had and the copays and deductibles are much higher. The hospital chain my wife works for does not accept our new insurance (CIGNA). So that takes 11 local hospitals off the list of places we can go if needed.

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Alien October 24, 2013 at 3:58 pm

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Since i’ve worked at current company (about 11 years now), my insurance has changed twice (spanning 3 insurers in total). By 2009 I’d realized that covering my family had doubled (in about 7 years at that point)

Last year there was no increase, this year there was. The overall trend is about the same for us

Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 4:05 pm

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We did not have an increase last year any the years previous to that our contributions were basically stable. This year, as I noted, the whole package was changed and we are getting less for more. One of the reasons our old plan was stable is we pioneered the move to kick off spouses who worked and could get insurance through their employer. Not a good morale booster as many families saw their premiums as a household expense in effect double. Delta Airlines made headlines when they announced the same policy. We did it six years ago.

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:35 am

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Not surprising Kick, everything about this law sucks, except for the retards like my bitch, who hasn’t seen the increase in her premiums yet. I expect to see her disappear from here when that happens.

Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 4:51 am

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Yeah, I read her reply. We changed insurers because the bc/bs plan we had became too expensive. Without the ACA that decision would not have to have been made. It is that simple.

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 4:57 am

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sa_rose October 24, 2013 at 11:48 am

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Because of the increased cost of the plan when allthe requirements demanded by Obamacare were factored into the cost of being insured. Insurance companies used to be able to mitigate the cost of covering extrememly ill patients with the premiums of the young and healthy who rarely made a claim. That isn’t the case, and being beholden to shareholders (that’s common folk) they will not swallow that cost and decrease their profit margin.

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:27 pm

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Don’t blame Rose for that, you were dizzy long before you came here.

sa_rose October 26, 2013 at 8:30 pm

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In some cases that is true as well. My half sister, owned her own business, husband was in school. They could have bought insurance, but instead they used the money to buy land. When she interested hand with a table saw, she ended up paying the bill out of pocket. It would have been cheaper to buy the insurance. People are not always sensible about money.

flashingscotsman October 27, 2013 at 5:59 pm

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With Obamacare premiums and deductibles, it would, in most cases, be cheaper to pay out of pocket than to be insured.

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poppajoe49 October 28, 2013 at 4:28 am

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AHHHH, it’s going to be a good morning, a big turd already!

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 5:21 am

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Yea kick, I had shopped BC/BS last year for my wife, the rates were about 1/3 what they are now, mainly because we could design the plan coverage we wanted, now you are having coverage imposed on you, and it gets way more expensive that way.

Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 5:34 am

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As an aside, Democratic Rep Dingall just echoed, during the ACA website hearing, the President’s words that health care is a right. That is not an insignificant statement.

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 5:48 am

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You answered your own question:

Do you agree with him that health care is a right?

No, it’s not.

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 5:55 am

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 6:02 am

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Your dementia is showing!
I’m a veteran. Figure it out. I earned my healthcare.

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 6:10 am

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Your dementia is getting worse!
I never said any such thing.
Perhaps you can link to where I ever said that?
No, I didn’t think so.

Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 5:56 am

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Define right?

It most definately is not an inalienable right.

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Maybe because if they’re paying him, they get to decide what they’re paying him to do?

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 3:42 pm

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1) Unless they’re multimillionaires paying cash, they’re NOT paying him—the taxpayers are.

Bullshit.
Before Obamacare, the only time the taxpayers were paying the doctor was if you were on medicare or medicaid.

2) Physicians aren’t short order cooks or menial servants. They’re hired for their medical expertise and judgment, not for their ability to take orders from lay people. Especially lay people who aren’t even the patient.

When you’re sitting in an ER treatment room for what seems like hours, watching your loved one bleeding or suffering, maybe you need to grab a doctor by the collar and tell him what the hell to do!

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sa_rose October 26, 2013 at 8:34 pm

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Except for personal insurance, the insurance company does not determine what is covered under employee plans. The employer does that. And yes,I worked for Aetna health plans and I know what I am talking about.

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 5:47 am

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Yea kick, it’s a right that the goobermint has to force on you. A real cool bonus, isn’t it?
Seems to me that healthcare was one of those “rights” that the founders left out of the Bill of Rights. I also don’t remember anyone putting an amendment in the Constitution that adds it as a right, so there is a bit of a problem with their statements.

Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 5:58 am

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Right, if a state wants to offer some sort of right to “free” health care, the 9th and 10th Amendments make that possible. If a person does not want to live under that system, in theory, he can move to another state. Not possible if that were a federal system.

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Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 6:09 am

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously. No idea.

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 6:12 am

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Yea, she’s also trying to put words I never spoke into my mouth.

Desperation leads to some odd behavior.

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Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 4:49 pm

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Your lack of knowledge is breathtaking. The Bill of Rights is just that. The Constitution – Articles 1-8 are the supreme laws of the land and the rules for how the federal government is to operate. The federal government has 18 enumerated powers. That’s it. Everything else is subject to the 9th and 10th Amendments. The reason why the 2d Amendment does not specify ownership is because the Constitution does not give the federal government the power to prohibit ownership. Again, go back and read the 9th and 10th Amendments. There was no interpretation your ignorance notwithstanding.

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:54 pm

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AAAHHHH!!!
ANOTHER immensely satisfying turd!
I’m going to lose quite a bit of weight at this rate!

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:56 pm

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Kick, it is amazing how she can’t distinguish between the Bill of Rights, which I specifically referred to, and the amendments to the Constitution.
Makes me wonder how she got her degree, if she ever did.

RKae October 24, 2013 at 4:56 pm

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God…

Damn…

It.

When are leftist idiots going to understand the definition of what a “right” is? A right is something you’re free to go out and get if you choose to.

It is NOT something that will be provided for free at others’ expense!

Yes, people have the right to health care. That means take care of it YOURSELF!

Sidekick October 24, 2013 at 4:57 pm

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I should add the same goes with your misguided notion of what a right is. The Constitution does not give the federal government the enumerated power to bestow health insurance on the citizenry. Again, it isn’t prohibited so it becomes a 10th Amendment issue. Inalienable rights do not come from government, which is why, in part, progressives hate the founding documents. Natural rights.

Alien October 25, 2013 at 6:41 am

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Rights are tricky to me..

In(un)alienable never appears in Constitution.. DoI refers to them practically in the same breath that it also states that men establish governments to secure them (i.e. Creator-endowed, Government-secured)

Government secured right. Jefferson wrote that

Constitution makes no distinction about that is alienable or not, does it? Does it even legally matter?

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apologies.. that double-posted, then i couldn’t edit the grammarisms

Sidekick October 25, 2013 at 7:27 am

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The Constitution does not mention rights because it is the supreme law of the land that enumerates what the federal government can do. The Bill of Rights was set up to codify the natural rights described in the DOI and ensure that the federal government ensures those rights are maintained.

I think RKae succinctly sums up what a right is. In other words a person’s rights stop where they infringe upon the rights of another. Health insurance or health care isn’t a right because it assumes that I have a claim on another’s (a doctor, for example) time, property, and labor. I don’t. In a free market society I must pay for another’s labor that benefits me. In a non-free market society, the state confiscates the wealth of its people and distributes that wealth in the form of health care (or any other commodity) as it sees fit.

sa_rose October 26, 2013 at 8:39 pm

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Currently. ED’ s are only required to stabilize a patient in an emergency situation. No ED is required to treat you for non-emergent accidents or illness.

flashingscotsman October 27, 2013 at 6:18 pm

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In other words, My Dear Sweet Olivia, you DO have a right to health care. And I have a right NOT to provide it for you.

Olivia October 27, 2013 at 7:21 pm

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poppajoe49 October 28, 2013 at 4:30 am

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WOW!!
Numbers 2 and 3 already!
Kind of early, but I’ll take the hat trick!

flashingscotsman October 31, 2013 at 8:36 am

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“It’s also bad for a hospital’s reputation to be known as a place that rejects patients, for any reason. Extremely bad business practice.”

You mean like the one that Michelle “worked” for before becoming First Hag?

“As I recall, the last time we discussed this a couple of years ago, you weren’t even paying for insurance for yourself, much less for someone else. So there’s really no need for you to play these we-right-wingers-always-have-to-give-money-to-the-lib’ruls games. I have my own health insurance, thank you, and I pay for it through my job.”

That’s right, My Dear Sweet Olivia, I still don’t have insurance. I can’t afford it, with what’s left over from paying for insurance for everyone else.

poppajoe49 October 31, 2013 at 8:47 pm

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Flash, that doesn’t matter, as long as you’re paying for someone else’s insurance!
Oblivious said so.

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 4:59 am

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 5:17 am

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Because I shopped for them you stupid scrunt.

TURDS!

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 5:27 am

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 5:38 am

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Stupid scrunt, my wife wanted to find out how much insurance was because she’s pushing 60 and is concerned she may need some procedures at some point in the near future. That’s how I know what it was last year. Now, with her freaking out over HAVING to get insurance or be fined, I shopped again and found the price increase.

Now go fuck yourself bitch.

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 7:28 am

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Paden October 24, 2013 at 10:45 am

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I call spell it to…

L.I.B.E.R.A.L

poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:30 pm

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Paying for our own healthcare costs is taking personal responsibility you moronic troll.

sa_rose October 24, 2013 at 11:55 am

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He HAS health insurance as a veteran. He can be treated at any veteran”s hospital or clinic. He has repetitively stated his WIFE has nothing, and that they could not afford the new rates for insurance for HER. You need to have that short term memory loss checked out. You may be developing Alzheimers’s. Or dementia.

Olivia October 24, 2013 at 12:38 pm

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poppajoe49 October 24, 2013 at 4:34 pm

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You miss the point. I said we couldn’t afford OBAMACARE insurance. Since we have been paying CASH for all my wife’s healthcare for some time now, we haven’t taken anything from anyone for her care.
I don’t give a flying fuck if you don’t believe what I say here, the people that actually count know I am telling the truth. I have personally met 3 of the folks here, and they know me to be truthful, so take your ugly troll ass down the road and talk to someone who gives a shit.

sa_rose October 26, 2013 at 8:25 pm

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Snitty today aren’t we? You are the on who refuses acknowledge the obvious. Right now 49.5% of the US population is receiving government assistance some kind. While that is appalling in the richest country in the world, it is also a little scary. How long do you think before we pass the tipping point and cannot support he remaining population? WhY will happen to the truly ill, disabled and ill?

Olivia October 28, 2013 at 8:46 am

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PsychoDad October 28, 2013 at 8:49 am

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Oh please sugar, come over and sign up for a Twitchy account, we could have SO much fun with you over there!

PS — Schadenfreude Alert Level – Exquisite!

“Could the president please explain why I and others are losing our health ins. plans? Wasn’t supposed to happen!—
patti davis (@patti_davis) October 25, 2013″

Yes, the daughter of the late great Ronald Reagan has a case of the weepies.

sa_rose October 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm

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Yes, I am on Social Security diability for End stage renal disease. THey don’t even look at my asthma, medication caused diabetes, spinal curvature, hypothyroidism et al. Essentially, though I have retired. My social security check is based on the nember of quarterw i worked and paid into the system, So its a little different thatn someone who never worked a days, was involved in and MVA and is now in a wheechair. And that person will endo up not on Social Security disability, but on suplemental social security which is very little and almost always results in getting other assistance, including food stamps. housing assistance, medicaid. etc/ And I think that is just fine. Its the 20 somethings who get their girlfriends pregnant, then sit in the food stam office with an arm draped possesively over her shoulder as she waits to apply for food stamps, housing, medicaid, etc. HE could be out working, or looking for a job, rather than wasting time in the office with her.

flashingscotsman October 31, 2013 at 8:41 am

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My Dear Sweet Olivia thinks that 49.5% of the country is sick or disabled.

Did anyone else watch the video of the Wal Mart that got over ran in Louisiana when the EBT cards lost their limits? I did, and I couldn’t find anyone there that looked disabled. Unless you consider, like liberals do, that being black is a disability.

poppajoe49 October 31, 2013 at 8:50 pm

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That doesn’t matter, Walmart doesn’t deserve to make a profit as long as one alcoholic, drug user, can’t afford plastic surgery.

/sarc

Olivia October 28, 2013 at 2:20 pm

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sa_rose October 29, 2013 at 8:42 am

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No. They had a full time job running their households, chauffering the kids, entertaining to support their husband’s career. And I am not making glib assumptions. I have sat (for hours at a time) in food stamp offices, which in my area, also handle medicaid applications, though qualifying is very different for each plan. And I hve care for Medicaid patients, who tell mnethey have aworking spouse or boyfriend, but he is illegal, and gets paid under the table, so his income is not counted. I have seen food stamp applications where one “family” includes 30 people. About half still live in Mexico, but the all have SSN’s. There IS much abuse of the sytem. Just because you live in lala land doesn’t man the rest of us are living in a sack. We SEE what is happening! Hell, the news cannel report on it, even your precious Big 3, wh all clearly lean left. As several of us have repeatedly said that we are not against helping those in need. We just don’t want to enable those who COULD do more for them selves to do it.

Olivia October 29, 2013 at 8:50 am

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poppajoe49 October 29, 2013 at 4:10 am

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Since I have only had VA healthcare for 3 years, what the fuck would you know, you stupid bitch?
I EARNED my healthcare from the VA, but didn’t use it until I had to. I have always had my own insurance except for the 5 years I was in the military.
Sorry to burst your bias bubble, but you don’t know shit.

Not so silent October 29, 2013 at 8:58 am

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She is just wasting here breath like always, she is a libtard with no point of view other than the fuhrer in D.C……

PsychoDad October 28, 2013 at 9:03 am

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Oh gang, it’s better, er worse, er, however you want to frame it:

“If those who are being dropped by their insurance companies due to #Obamacare (16 million) made up a state, it would be 5th largest in U.S.”

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2013/10/week-two-of-obamacare-federal-health.html#more

http://twitchy.com/2013/10/28/bam-rep-price-puts-the-o-care-cancellation-notice-avalanche-in-devastating-perspective/

Gee, what ever happened to “If you like your current plan, you can keep it?”

PsychoDad October 28, 2013 at 9:07 am

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Ha ha, all those married queer guys have to have maternity coverage, isn’t that part of the problem?!? LOL, what was a catastrophic fustercluck.

Olivia October 28, 2013 at 9:13 am