13 reasons you should throw away your Che Guevara T-shirt

by editor on December 7, 2010

According to the leftist mythology that’s been built up over the last 50 years Che Guevara was a brave, noble soldier who loved freedom and sacrificed his life so that others could achieve it.

Ha! Here are thirteen Che facts that the left never mentions. Thirteen things that, if they were widely known, would contribute to far fewer T-shirt sales.

che poster

Che Guevara, vicious mass murderer and T-shirt icon

  1. Che’s famous motorcycle tour of South American is mostly myth. The motorcycle broke down early in the trek and it was completed with other means of transportation.
  2. Che was nicknamed Chancho (Pig) by his schoolmates because he rarely bathed.
  3. Soon after Batista was overthrown, Guevara had hundreds of Cuban government officials executed. Notice that the phrase “fair trial” was conspicuously absent from the previous sentence.
  4. Che was a brutal murderer. He trained and commanded firing squads that executed thousands of men, women and children deemed enemies by the new Castro regime. He once put a bullet in the head of a fellow guerrilla he suspected of disloyalty.
  5. Che was not a fan of our First Amendment. He opposed freedom of speech, religion, press, assembly and protest. Can you say North Korea?
  6. All those college kids wearing their Che T-shirts might be surprised to learn that he supported the repression of rock ‘n roll in Cuba.
  7. Homosexuals did not fare well in Che’s Cuba. He mounted a campaign to have them jailed.
  8. che obama poster

    La Revolución, si! Free elections, no!

  9. See the photo to the right? It was taken in an Obama campaign office in Texas. The volunteer who put the poster on the wall might be surprised to learn that her hero opposed free elections.
  10. Che never won a Nobel Prize for Economics with good reason. Castro put him in charge of the Cuban economy, but his strident communism immediately put it on a downward economic death spiral.
  11. Che fled Cuba in the mid-1960s not to spread Communism throughout the hemisphere, but because he had so totally screwed up his private life. He was a profligate adulterer who deserted two wives, countless mistresses and numerous children.
  12. Che hoped that the Cuban missile crisis would lead to an atomic war. “What we affirm is that we must proceed along the path of liberation,” he said, “even if this costs millions of atomic victims.”
  13. Members of the Che cult claim his last words were, “I know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a man.” However, General Ovando, Chief of the Bolivian Armed Forces, reported that Che died in battle and that his last words were considerably less noble, “I am Che Guevara and I have failed.”
  14. Another version of his final words is even more pathetic. Far from bravely facing a martyr’s death, Che’s captors reported that he begged for his life saying, “Do not shoot! I am Che Guevara and worth more to you alive than dead.”

Ironic, isn’t it, that Che’s last words were as wrong as his entire philosophy of life. As T-shirt vendors around the world have discovered, he has actually been worth far more dead than alive.

340
Leave a Reply

Please Login to comment
53 Comment threads
287 Thread replies
0 Followers
 
Most reacted comment
Hottest comment thread
73 Comment authors
daverdelySwansongnoemi.jilloooddballzdrb Recent comment authors

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

  Subscribe  
Notify of
J
Guest
J

Wow, this sounds like the typical conservative rant. And by that I mean someone who is successfully brainwashed and just regurgitates all the stuff theyve been spoonfed and accept without question. I am now MORE likely to sport a che shirt after reading this. oh, and I know what youre going to say, and no Im not a liberal. Both right and left parties area sick joke.

MDLION
Member
MDLION

J:”brainwashed … regurgitates … spoonfed”

In the entire history of our country, have there ever been any brainwashed regurgitaters like the zombies who chanted “Hope”, “Change”, “Believe”, and “Yes We Can” in 2008 and now say with glazed eyes, “Things would have been much worse without the stimulus”?

poppajoe49
Guest
poppajoe49

Ok J. So I guess you’ll be reporting back to your pals at the KOS, and we won’t have to read your inane bullshit any more.

Godfrey Mekoa
Guest
Godfrey Mekoa

Who is telling the truth here? If Cher was a ruthless killer or murderer like this article purpots,why did he remain so popular posthumously even in countries that we know hated his philosophy? Or is it a question of writer telling the otherside of the story? Was Cher so bad that he did no good in liberating the people of Cuba in the miseries they went through?

Editor
Guest
Editor

People hated Cher because of the way she treated Sonny. Also because of her awful Half Breed song. But I must admit that I was unaware that Cher helped liberate the people of Cuba.

Sidekick
Member
Sidekick

She did and it was fabulous.

perlcat
Member

Yeah, and she did it while wearing only 10% of the clothing a normal revolutionary would.

Viva el skanko!

poppajoe49
Guest
poppajoe49

It appears Cher was a much more forceful woman than we thought.
Maybe that’s why Greg Allman didn’t stay with her either.

jcrowley1985
Member
jcrowley1985

Don’t worry. People on the right blindly supported McCarthy’s blacklist idea which was as blindly misguided just as much as the left supported Che’s misguided fight against oppression.

Sidekick
Member
Sidekick

What does that load of crap have to do with the thread?

DefHarryMelon
Member
DefHarryMelon

Speaking of a load of crap and not having anything to do with the thread – http://now.msn.com/living/0227-plane-drops-cargo.aspx?fb_ref=scptmf&fb_source=home_multiline

flashingscotsman
Member

Finally, I get Thirds on a resident troll. It’s been a while.

Now I move on. It’s my job. It’s what I do.

Alien
Member
Alien

You should watch Troll Hunter… though he’s Norwegian, not Scottish, he has the same matter-of-fact attitude. Good movie

Alien
Member
Alien

oh, and a beard worthy of troll hunting

flashingscotsman
Member

Ha! I just trimmed my unruly face hair back. It was getting out of hand.

perlcat
Member

No, McCarthy had a point about the presence of Communists in Hollywood as well as in Washington. Labeling it ‘blindly misguided’ is a drastic oversimplification calculated to disarm the response to a valid threat to our liberty and safety. His techniques were inhuman, but he was not dealing with people that played fair. Many of the people that were denounced as communists and were later ‘rehabilitated’ by the Left *did* turn out to be what exactly they were accused of being. e.g. The Rosenbergs.

The fact is, there *was* a plan to infiltrate and render communism palatable and get it accomplished in the US by subverting the entertainment industry and other institutions, it was done through a network of cells and willing idiots, and in fact is going on today, which is why a Ward Churchill or a William Ayers is allowed access to young people. The Democrats of 1960 would have been appalled at what is now commonplace.

Better check — your moral compass doesn’t point the same way twice, Chester. It points wherever it has been told to point by other people than you, with agendas that do not fit in with what you would accept if given the choice.

Eventually, as did the Catholic Church, you will wake up and find that you had been in bed with the devil, and now there’s hell to pay.

flashingscotsman
Member

Where is McCarthy now, when we need him the most?

jcrowley1985
Member
jcrowley1985

Isn’t NDAA the same thing?

Alien
Member
Alien

i’m gonna go out on a limb and say that NDAA!=McCarthy

perlcat
Member

Yeah, it’s a bad enough incursion of our liberty on the face of it, that it doesn’t need to be mis-cast as McCarthyism in order to be deservedly reviled by all & sundry.

john, this is where a little reading on a nasty precedent will pay off.

The only defense against NDAA is that same used against the Alien and Sedition acts:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_and_Virginia_Resolutions

This is what kept us from having an Emperor in 1800, and demonstrated the brilliance of Thomas Jefferson.

Adrian
Guest
Adrian

okay just a little something for those who claim they know. Che was Argentinian, as am i, and we give each other nicknames like chancho, rata, ormiga and so on all the time, why because thats our culture, we, like the ancient greeks know how to appreciate laughter of one’s self. Second Che did complete his journey across latin america, along with his buddy, where he began to really open his eyes to all of the injustice throughout the continent and the world. Another point for you ‘smartasses’ Che was wealthy, if he so desperately desired wealth and power he would not have left Argentina to impact the world. He was a licensed doctor and his family was rich. Another point he worked at a cure for lepracy. another point ive been to Cuba and spoke to their citizens which express their love for Che with all their heart and become aggravated when he is insulted. Those who come over from Cuba are those who think they are worth much more and think they should be more wealthy due to their job tittles, however in Cuba everyone is equal. FYI Cuba is not communist like China. Another point he attempted overthrowing Batista verbally, as that did not work he became violent. Yet people claim he is a murdered, lets not forget the Americans who killed slaves for disobedience:O. so wait….slavery was a good thing? is that not what american put the blacks through? i suggest a little novel called-to kill a mockingbird. hope you enjoyed my little post.
p.s American cia agents sent the order to the Bolivians to assasinate Che, therefore they too are murderers, but cover it by blaming the lower repped Bolivians. oh and bolivians worship che. enjoy!

DefHarryMelon
Member
DefHarryMelon

He was a pussy. He murdered only captive victims. He died begging like the pussy he was. Stay dead che dog.comment image

GUNBOAT
Member

reasons 1-13…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…
commie pig piece of shit…

Cow
Guest
Cow

Long on accusations. Thin on sources. Must be drivel from a conservative.

Wilbur Post
Guest
Wilbur Post

Your Name says it all.

Sidekick
Member
Sidekick

No point. Must be drivel from a progressive.

flashingscotsman
Member

Hmmm, didn’t see much in the way of sources from the Cow.

Viva El Che
Guest
Viva El Che

Fuck you American pigs, Che was a hero, He fought for freedom, Unlike America which only fights for money and power. America spends billions on bombs instead of hunger for their own people. You see Che as a murderer because it is so programmed into you brain to see anyone with a different opinion of you as an enemy. Open your eyes, Stop believing propaganda. I do not support Communism, I believe in Democracy even though it isn’t here in the US oh and FYI, The US is Socialist. Welfare,Section-8,Food Stamps,Social Security, those are all based on Socialist concepts.

Not so silent
Member
Not so silent

That popping sound will be your head coming out of your ass momentarily when you come up for air after that piece of shit you just posted. Che is dead, worm food, a piece of shit for all time like Hitler Pol Pot, Stalin, and all the rest, you like them so fucking much, I suggest you take the short bus to a fucking communist country. Che didn’t have a different opinion, he just wanted to kill anyone who disagreed with his sorry ass socialist fairy tale..kinda like those idiot mooslimbs and their camel humping cult…They would have loved Che, since he probably liked little boys and goats too….

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

This comment is a gem worthy of being sung in the choirs of heaven. Please share more of your wisdom and hilariously apropos misspellings of popular world religions… (mooslimbs… hah… see its funny because moose and people who follow the religion of Islam – the fastest growing religion in the world – are somehow the same, or related in their… ? ITS JUST FUNNY! It deserved more upvotes so that people can ALWAYS see it)

Always Sunny In Hell
Member
Always Sunny In Hell

EVERYONE wars for profit you moron, whether or not they admit to it or not is a completely different story. He was fighting to become the new leader of Cuba. And you don’t think that job came with some awesome perks? And, unfortunately you are right the US is BECOMING socialist, but we aren’t there yet. And if I brand him a villain because he was so willing to stoop to the levels of his oppressors, that’s my decision. Oppression needs to be met with understanding and intelligence. Che was willing to become an animal to win, sorry buddy. That move isn’t in (the average) Americans playbooks.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

Sooo, he was also fighting to be leader of Bolivia (where he died fighting) as well? Please explain that one to me. I’d love to hear it. Like your gravatar btw – good show.

danybhoy
Member
danybhoy

Che was a punk & a bully. The 1st time he went up against someone who could fight back, he lost. Screw Che & those who idolize him.

BellaKat
Member
BellaKat

but he fucking tried. he wanted something, he went out there and fucking earned it. all the good he’s done surpasses the ‘bad’ he’s done. All revolutions come with people dying, all you idiots don’t seem to understand that. who should we idolize, your precious obama? All he’s doing is making the rich richer and the poor poorer.

poppajoe49
Guest
poppajoe49

No, Che was a scumbag and murderer. I have only a slightly lower opinion of him than I have of Obama.

axamsa
Guest
axamsa

learn something more about che guevera… bloody losers…. no one said he completed his tour in his “La PedrosA” bike… its clearly written that the bike broke down and he completed the rest of the tour in other mean os transport.,…

perlcat
Member

What were the ‘other means of transportation’? — murder express?

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

He bummed rides with passing travelers. Hitchhiking – that old American tradition. He also walked and scrounged/begged for food, and at times would have to stop and struggle to breathe due to his CRIPPLING asthma that he experienced his entire life…
Also, let me restate that I find it HILARIOUS that this site hides comments people don’t “like.” The gentleman, or lady, above, axamsa, gives information about the name of Guevara’s bike and implies it didn’t matter that the travel continued on bike (good point – who the eff cares?) whereas you perlcat just make an asinine joke not based on anything tangible and it gets to be kept. On his travel through South America he was ambivalent to politics and was a PHYSICIAN for Pete’s Sake. (reference Jon Lee Anderson… oh who am I kidding, none of you are going to read that or even try to learn anything about what I’ve said… Enjoy your blind ignorance. Bet the weather is amazing…)

whiskeyriver
Member
whiskeyriver

What did he do, kill some poor farmer and steal his burro?

Ann
Guest
Ann

I would like to see you make a list (which is endless) about why we should all turn our back against the “Free” American Politics. They’ve Probably killed more people than the Nazis, religious warfare and Communists all together. When is The Bush trial for illegal warfare btw? right… That fucking idiotic war has killed more people than the people who died at 9.11. Why is an american life more valuable than one from a civilian of the 3d world?
Kids now days… Have no Idea how to let the shit come out of their asses instead of their “mouths”

danybhoy
Member
danybhoy

Screw you & your apolgizing for genacidal communist a-holes, you anti-American moron. You want Bush on trial? Sure you do, & I’ll tell he was too effing nice. America has been too soft since we firebombed Nazi Germany into submission with the Brits, & since we dropped 2 nukes on Japan. 3rd world lives mean nothing to the despots who rule over them, & they should have a fair chance to be what they can be, so when the US leads a military operation to knock off a dictator to liberate them, that’s a good thing. As long as they will fight to keep their freedom & not turn their backs on the US for petty reason, we should continue to do it. If you are a cancer to human rights & are a menace to world peace, you should get your ass kicked. To tie WW2 into today’s world, you treat cancer with RADIATION.

BOMBS AWAY.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

Danybhoy. Hello again. I like how you say “3rd world lives mean nothing to the despots who rule over them, & they should have a fair chance to be what they can be, so when the US leads a military operation to knock off a dictator to liberate them, that’s a good thing.” See… I absolutely 100% AGREE with you… well part of it. Only that since most dictators in South America were installed or supported by the US you have to think about what “liberation” means to the poor and disenfranchised under these US supported monsters.

Here I will just mention one instance of Jacobo Árbenz, a leftist and popularly supported Guatemalan president (elected legally). [FOR MORE READ “Managing the Counterrevolution: The United States and Guatemala, 1954-1961” By Stephen M. Streeter] He tried to enact land reform so that workers could actually do that whole “chance to be what they can be” thing you stated. This meant redistribution of the 70% of land that was owned by 2% of the pop. [FACT stated in Paterson, Thomas G. et al (2009); American Foreign Relations: A History, Volume 2: Since 1895, Cengage Learning] That “annoyed” (allow me the euphemism given the likewise atrocities elsewhere in the comments) the United Fruit Company, a US company who (they are people right?) was able to get windfall profits from the cheap fruit provided by the few exploitative rich that worked the land (no wait they didn’t… their underpaid peasant laborers did, my mistake).

With UFCO putting pressure on the US gov, and having a bunch of friends there (“John Foster Dulles, who represented United Fruit while he was a law partner at Sullivan & Cromwell – he negotiated that crucial United Fruit deal with Guatemalan officials in the 1930’s – was Secretary of State under Eisenhower; his brother Allen, who did legal work for the company and sat on its board of directors, was head of the CIA under Eisenhower…” ref is “The Fish That Trained the Whale’ by Rich Cohen) , the CIA trained deposed Castillo Armas, his soldiers, and mercenaries in Honduras to invade and overthrow the democratically elected Arbenz in 1954. They won, pulled back reforms immediately, and the rest is history (by history I mean 40 years of civil war…)

whiskeyriver
Member
whiskeyriver

Are you really that stupid? Americans didn’t murder 6 million Jews, Germans did under Hitlers rule. Americans didn’t kill over 1 million Cambodians, Pol Pot did. Americans didn’t kill over 5 million Russians, Stalin did.

Americans have not killed over 600,000 in Iraq and Afganistan, terrorists like Sadam Hussein and the Taliban are responsible for killing their own people. Just like all despots down through history, they kill their own people to subjugate the rest, Che and Castro are no different.

BellaKat
Member
BellaKat

oh, so the american army never killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? thats a load of shit. this war is all about oil, they never came here and bombed the twin towers. We did. we are no different. the government spoon fed you this lie about terrorists bombing it. Yes they hate america, but who doesn’t? We killed our own people because our greedy asses wanted more oil.

poppajoe49
Guest
poppajoe49

Oh goodie, another conspiracy theorist that thinks we blew up the twin towers! What a douchebag.
So, tell me, how much oil have we gotten from Iraq?
http://www.digitalsurvivors.com/archives/howmuchoilfromiraq.php
Here are the facts:
• The U.S. gets less oil today from Iraq than before 9/11
• The largest source of crude oil for the United States is the United States
•Iraq has never represented more than 4.5% of crude oil used in the United States
•The United States’ dependence on foreign oil has increased, but the amount of oil from the Persian Gulf has decreased

Andrew
Guest

Alls Im gonna say, is that every major revolution had mass amounts of genocide and bloodshed. People really need to harden the fuck up and realize thats what revolution is. It doesnt surprise me that most capitalist conservative republicans on here speaking their misinformed knowledge are so anti socialist. It doesnt surprise me that most of you indulge in smear campaigns of the representatives and anyone in a socialist aspect of political influence. It doesnt surprise me that you’re all so against genocide and mass murder. And it REALLY doesnt surprise me that you all had nothing better to do than trash talk a man who actually stood up and fought for what he believed in, as opposed to the majority of you sitting on your asses typing out ill mannered quotations and opinions on a media that is so impersonal that no one really actually gives a fuck about what you all have to say! None of you would have had the balls to do what those people did. To liberate a country and transform the economy, the leadership, the loss of hope. To die for just a chance at something better than being held within a feudalistic dictatorship and used as slaves. Most of you dont know a single fucking thing about poverty, or slavery, or anything remotely close to what a hard life must entail. And seeing as you all say what you say, it would be far past unreasonable to believe that any of you supported Mao Tse Tsung? A man who took the oppressed and led them to a system that better suited the public. Perhaps Lenin? Castro? Marx? Malcom X? How about George Washington? The point is that all of these people were very important and influenced the world in a way that is undeniable and irrefutable. And all with blood shed. (excluding Marx of course) With mass murder. even americans raped and pillaged people to TAKE what you call your country. It was founded on genocide and mass murder. On killing children and women. But you all seem to forget that with your “holier than thou” outlook on the rest of the world. The christians slaughtered thousands of people in the name of GOD. It was called the crusades. They all revolutionized the world for change, whether you agree with it or not, but I find it hard for a bunch of middle class north americans to sit here and prod at something they really have no real understanding of. Hell, you guys dont even understand your own fucking politics, so quit dipping your mind into something else that is far more complicated than whats happening in your own country right now. You all have the right to freedom of speech. “I may disagree with what you say,But I will fight to the death for your right to say it” Unfortunately for most of you, your opinion is just wrong. Tho validated points have been made, its the outlook and the hypocrisies of what you all say. What they did in Argentina and Cuba, will never happen here because no one has the fucking gonads to stand up and actually fight for something worth anything. Especially anything that doesnt give them a tax cut. That would mean you american wastes of skin would have to put down the twinkie, turn off your reality tv shows, get out of your leather lazyboy chairs which you seem to be so enthralled in from the incessant drive to push the aspect of living in excess way overboard, actually leave the house and go speak your mind, but you forgot that you have a political representative that you dont even know why you voted in to speak for you. As for the shirts, a dead man cannot help what his face gets put onto. And if he saw what it was being used as, hed destroy them himself, unless of course, they were in support of his beliefs, like any one of you would do. It doesnt seem astonishing that such a brilliant man to be hated unanimously by a bunch of technological thugs because you are all the people he’d be killing, and making a damn better world because of it. Then again, at least every one will remember who he is. Who are all of you? Just a bunch of nobodies flapping your jaws at something you could never understand without living it. Go buy a hummer, watch mindless media consumer brainwash on your 60 inch tv, shovel your fat fucking faces, follow your leader and continue to speak opinions about things you all have not a single clue about, and watch your own country plummet downward after they owe everyone money and spend it all on killing people and taking their oil. Che did it for freedom. You all do it for money. It was stated in a comment up there that anyone who supports che is an enemy of the state. Well, I am that enemy. I dont support the “state” or the system for that matter. We’re caught up in a system that capitalists control the majority of everything. Media, Industries, even your own fucking government. Not one single person has a say. You have rules that you are demanded to oblige, laws that you cannot break. Your not even aloud to hurt your own body. So its safe to say that its not your body, its their body. You are all just machines. You get up, go to work everyday, pay your ridiculously high bills because your government fucked up and has your country 38 trillion dollars in debt, come home, go to sleep, and work again. for the rest of your life. You do not own a single thing. Not one. You dont own your house, your car, money, or anything like that. By law you have the right to defend your property. So why can the police impound your car? Its your “property” is it not? How come they can seize your house? You paid for it didnt you? For once, I would like to hear someone talk about something worth talking about. Something that can be changed. Something that will for once have a positive difference in this so called “democracy”. This isnt democracy, and any of you would be foolish to believe so. Im not a conspiracy theorist, but i do see the way people fall in line, like files in a folder, waiting to get put in their place. Your all just numbers. faceless slaves. At least Che shot you in the face, Your government walks you into an alley and puts on a silencer. He didnt hide shit. Something youre government has grown too fond of doing. Fuck you, and God bless America.

Always Sunny In Hell
Member
Always Sunny In Hell

U mad bro? If you don’t like America, you don’t have to… But just so you know… You try any terrorist shit in my neighborhood and you’re gunna catch a .50 to the dome. And Im not going to sit here and say that Americans aren’t violent…. That’s the liberals.. Americans are tough when it comes down to brass tacks. Why do you think the terrorists resort to blowing themselves up? Cuz if they stayed alive Americans would make their last days full or pain and remorse. No one on here has forgotten how this country came to be, but it’s in the same realm as saying “All white people are responsible for slavery.” I wasn’t alive then and Im fairly certain you weren’t either… Blaming the people here now for something that happened before their time…. I guess you blame all Germans for WW2? Or how about all Japanese are Kamikaze? Before you start typing a long explanation about how evil we are, make sure you know your audience. We know we have a black past, and what its looking like a dark future as well.. But the unaverage American is going to stand up and fight against it. We are all on here to gain knowledge. In a war of ignorance, intelligence is your best weapon. But Ill still take my Desert Eagle any day of the year.

DefHarryMelon
Member
DefHarryMelon

Paragraph or indent, blank line or something! F this! F that! Worthless mook doesn’t get a thing. Che is dead! Long may he remain so! Every worthless commie shithead like him should be dead too! Long die the commies!

andre
Member
andre

two things –

1. when you type everything in one continuous paragraph, the mere sight of that makes me not want to read it. Besides being physically difficult to do, it looks like diarrhea of the mouth (whether or not it actually is, is a separate issue).

2. when the first word in your diatribe is “alls”, that tells me there is very little chance that anything intelligent will follow.

Erik
Guest

Whatever, this list is not even worth a comment. Left, Right it’s all going down to the ground and THE PEOPLE will rise for FREEDOM. FUCK YOU CORPORATIONS and MEDIA and BANKERS.

perlcat
Member

“Whatever, this list is not even worth a comment.”

….and yet, you did. We feel honored by the rise of the douchebags.

Eduardo
Guest
Eduardo

About 600 traffic cops jailed in the La Cabaña fortress were pronounced non-guilty by the revolutionary tribunal because they didn’t carry guns and only made parking and speeding tickests. When Guevara got the order for their liberation he refused and ordered them sent to the firing squad on the gounds: “They were using uniforms, and we must set a precedent with this!”

skool manaa
Guest
skool manaa

Its sad not to have friends,but its even more sadder not to have HATERS.
CHE WAS AND WILL BE ONE OF THE GREAT.

DeanH
Member
DeanH

you sad crapsack.

Necron_99
Member
Necron_99

Hey Dean, Give Skooly a break! The only reason he/she/it thinks Che was so great is because Hyde used to occasionally wear a Che shirt on “That ’70’s’ Show”… and Hyde’s cool… right? (speaking through haze of dope smoke) Uh,.. right? Uh,uh, uh, right????

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Accidentally hit the wrong button on Skool’s post. Subtract one up, add one down. Sorry. <>

KimmyQueen
Member

Great at killing innocent people you mean? Well I don’t see that as great, but if you mean he was EFFECTIVE at doing so… then we will agree I suppose.

However if you mean that he was great in the positive sense, then I must ask great at what? There is nothing positive that he ever did in his life and if he did it was probably for show.

BellaKat
Member
BellaKat

he never killed ‘innocent’ people. Yes, he killed 200 or so cubans against a wall, but they weren’t innocent. They were war criminals and on the opposing side. He was great in the sense that he wanted third world countries to have just as much as the rich (ahem, the u.s). He taught over 900,000 illiterate peasants how to read, helped build dozens of schools in cuba, Spoke out against US and eventually USSR Imperialism while demanding that the poor of the world be allowed to live a life of dignity, Stopped american companies from owning 70 % of the arable land in Cuba. Oh yeah, sounds like a terrible man -___-

poppajoe49
Guest
poppajoe49
UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

Dude, I’m so happy to see you put references! I especially love the second one written by some undergraduate student at Virginia Tech’s school newspaper and who didn’t put her own references! Now that’s style. The first is super objective and fact-checked too. YAY!

Sidekick
Member
Sidekick

Refute them then. In other words, show us you’re right and the links are wrong.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

I didn’t say anything in the post you reply to where I need to show I’m right since I made no point at all but that the sources were not credible. I did however write several other posts where I included any pertinent references. Please read those which I’m sure overlap with the articles pasted by joe. If you would like you could start with the general post I made to this article, discussing why #10 here is wrong.

As a bonus I will also explain why both #12 and #13 have clear falsities. The man who claimed to hear Guevara say the words quoted in #13 was a Bolivian soldier who ran into him and another Bolivian communist who was helping Guevara escape after being wounded in the leg. The Bolivian soldier captured and handed him over to his authorities where they housed him in a village school before asking him some questions and then executing him. He only claimed he said those words later.

The quote in #13 then could never argued to be his “pathetic” final words and stand in stark contrast to the notes of two men there in his final moments; Lt Colonel Andre Selich of the Bolivian army and CIA agent Felix Rodriguez. I will have to reference their notes and journals through the information read by Jon Lee Anderson’s who describes it in his biography “Che: ARL.”

As for #12 I mentioned this in another post but General Ovando wasn’t present at the battle or execution and lied to every soul concerned about how the man died, where he was buried, and obviously his “last words.”

Sidekick
Member
Sidekick

Again….refute the links. It’s always the same thing…someone bounces in here and claims someone’s citations are not credible. Dude, what’s to prevent me or anyone else from saying that your unsubstantiated remarks are accurate or not?

Why do you defend Che? Why do you care what we think of him here? Che was a violent far left thug. The rest is mythology and bull.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

Okay Sidekick, here’s why. Someone gives reasons to “rip up their Che t-shirt” which is filled with incorrect information. Those are given as reasons to think the man is a “far-left thug.”

If you want an example from one of the links send me the source where the VT undergrad mentions Guevara plotting to blow up monuments in NYC. I’ve looked – I honestly can’t find it and even when she gives a couple books and interviews in the comments she doesn’t mention that one.
Oh, and the other site – the only link that worked was to an interview by Glenn Beck… sources should also be unbiased to be credible.

The difference between what I’ve said and the above links as well as this article is that I provide a credible source. A credible source is a body of work where someone did consistently honest research, as in looked through evidence of people who were first hand or second hand observers and this was peer reviewed by both sides of the conflict (not he said she said as in the above). I mean do you read non-fiction books? Do you see the appendices for the footnotes?

Misinformation abounds especially in times of war/revolution and I wish people would appreciate that fact. I don’t defend Che, I defend the truth which is so agonizingly ignored here. A view of a single man can be generalized and a blanket statement made and I think THAT is “sloppy and lazy.”

poppajoe49
Guest
poppajoe49

So, show me where my links are wrong. You claim they aren’t fact checked and not objective, how would you expect someone who watched Che murder his friends and family to be objective in a way you want him to? He can’t come up with a good reason why Che slaughtered unarmed civilians, come to think of it, I can’t either, can you?

KimmyQueen
Member

He personally thought 900,000 people how to read? Wow! He was amazing and incredible and he totally deserves the hero treatment het gets… :-/ Yeah I am sure that people who opposed him were indeed qualified as criminal to him, because they opposed him … great reasoning there fantastic good for you!

KimmyQueen
Member

taught (couldn’t edit in time)

Kathaarian LifeCode
Guest

F–k Che Guevara! I’m glad he’s six feet under and rotting. He murdered my best friend’s grandfather in cold blood-firing squad style. This is the honest truth, before I met her, I had a Che shirt. I ripped that shit in four pieces after she told me about the real Che. He’s a coward and a smelly g(eur)orilla. Any one who sticks up for him is an enemy of the state and if one of our Founding Fathers were alive, they’d be shot for treason-same as Sean Penn and Danny Glover romancing Hugo Chavez. I’ve been thinking about this, if it’s ok to make a Che t-shirt, then I’m going to make a “Hitler” or a “Goebbels” shirt. What’s the difference, right???

KimmyQueen
Member

Wow that is so sad about your friend. One thing is lack of education on the subject of Che. Cuba for some reason is not that widely discussed other than the Cuban Missile Crisis and I dont think that subject is exhausted either.

harriet
Guest
harriet

good stuff, people! i was beginning to think i was the only one who was creeped-out by the images of that freaky dude …. thanx for restoring my faith

tri
Guest
tri

my brother has a red Che shirt, and underneath he wrote : ” A good commie is a dead commie” . He lives in the NW, and he says that it’s really funny to see some people smile when they see the Che picture and look horrified after they read the text, or viceversa…. he says that it’s a great icebreaker for people he WANTS to meet.

KimmyQueen
Member

I would definetly stop and talk to him, maybe buy him some coffee or something. It takes guts to do that.

Perla
Guest

It is so true that Guevara was called Chancho (Pig), people that fought with him have testefied that, so it’s a fact. He was not the good man that some clueless believe because of the communist propaganda. She Guevara did say that ” Don’t Shoot, I am worth more to you alive than dead”, and what he meant by that is that he was willing to give out information, in other words snitch, because Castro had broke all communications with him in hopes that Che would get killed. Castro even read the farewell letter that Che wrote in case he died, on October 3rd and Che dies on Oct. 9th. He was not even dead yet!!!!. The bottom line is that Castro wanted Che dead.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

Wow your post is absurd (I’m just going to reference your apparent quote by Guevara and your “astute” interpretation). Here I will quote the journal of the CIA agent who HUGGED the man immediately before his trial-less execution (Rodriguez the agent could do nothing to save him since the order came from the Bolivian higher ups). Mind you, this was following Guevara giving up NOTHING to them, except debating the benefits of forms of government for a provincial worker class and all that jazz. “It was a tremendously emotional moment for me. I no longer hated him. His moment of truth had come, and he was conducting himself like a man. He was facing death with courage and grace.” p739 of Jon Lee Anderson’s “Che: ARL”

Administrator
Admin

I was just (deviously) thinking, there is an Urban Outfitters in our town that usually has a stack of Che t-shirts for sale. As an act of civil disobedience, maybe I’ll drop by with a blood red marker and turn them all into Ruben’s gravatar you see in his comment above. 😉

In case Big Sis is listening and wants you to “say something if you see something,” my real name is Donovan.

Ruben
Member
Ruben

Most Excellent Administrator, please also note the closed eyes I’ve given ol’ Che… the sort that go with a brain suddenly injected with hot lead.

CaliforniaDave
Member
CaliforniaDave

So they call you Mellow Yellow?

Grammar Fuhrer
Member
Grammar Fuhrer

You’re implying that I ever had one.

perlcat
Member

But of course. It is required for nefarious purposes.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/15/otto_che/

Grammar Fuhrer
Member
Grammar Fuhrer

That’s just pathetic.

perlcat
Member

Yeah, Otto is an asshole. But he’s a likeable asshole. Too bad they shut him down.

KimmyQueen
Member

Exactly. I ain’t never had one and I am proud to say I ain’t never seen any of my family members nor friends wear one.

KimmyQueen
Member

Wow really someone gave me a thumbs down? This is hilarious!

Elrond Hubbard
Member
Elrond Hubbard

Che was a murderous thug who failed at everything he attempted. His greatest success was getting himself killed because it enabled Castro and the Left to transform Che from a common gangster into a communist saint, a cult figure for revolutionary wannabes and fashion trendoids.

Che got his political education reading the works of Stalin. The greatest irony of his worthless life is that hundreds of capitalists are making money selling Che t-shirts to the clueless.

Paden
Member
Paden

Hey Nelson…
I have a roll of Che toilet paper…
That “hate crime” law, thats the first thing we’re going to change right after we throw you liberals out.
No way are we going allow two bit little despots like you, to tell us what we may or may not think..
You Buffoon.

tommy
Guest

keep the shirt – pee in a jar – insert shirt – close lid. could insert something else with it (remove the ‘r’)

and thier president might have a shirt on now. Get him to go throught the TSA scanners to check.

Nelson Mandela
Guest
Nelson Mandela

“Che Guevara is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom.”

-Nelson Mandela-

Get over it you capitalist racist fascists! Che was a great, great man.

Ruben
Member
Ruben

I guess this just serves to re-enforce my low opinion of the former terrorist Mandela.

And I will reiterate: the only good Che was a dead Che.

Nelson Mandela
Guest
Nelson Mandela

Your gravatar is disgusting. You should be arrested for that under the hate crime law.

perlcat
Member

No, the non-adulterated pictures of che are hate crimes. Just ask the relatives of the innocent people that asshat butchered. Imagine having teenyboppers waving around photos of the man that murdered your relatives because it is “cool” and “edgy”, not having any idea whatsoever what their “hero” would do to them. Talk about your modern day horror pictures.

I suppose you feel that since their relatives opposed the great che by breathing, they deserved to die. I hear too many so called “liberals” advocating and justifying violence against conservatives in the same way. You imbeciles really need to examine your heroes more closely. They’re filthy murdering scum, and there’s nothing noble about them. If they were alive and standing next to you, you’d be getting two behind the ear because they hate you and everything you stand for.

Ruben
Member
Ruben

Nelson, I’m beginning to sense that your tongue is fixed firmly “in-cheek” with every post. Using absurdity to illustrate the insanity that is left-wing thinking is brilliant. It was the ‘hate crime’ post that tipped your hand. Way to go!

KimmyQueen
Member

Interesting…

Got one question how do you feel about Bush pictures as Hitler?

danybhoy
Member
danybhoy

Hey Nelson, your real colors are showing, & in classic leftist/progressive/marxist style. Do you really want to arrest people for speech under the so called “hate crime” laws? Do you really? Ruban’s avitar is an expression of his ideas, & is protected by the 1st Amendment. Besides, I kinda like it. It’s very artsy-fartsy in a smartass kind of way.BTW, he is right about Mandella, & Che.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

Hey Ruben. Just wanted to ask if you appreciate the irony (if not the macabre distaste) of your photo? When Guevara was executed (not killed in battle as “claimed” above), without trial I might add, the shooter was told to avoid his head because they wanted to make it look like he was killed in battle.1

Ref1: Jon Anderson Lee’s (“Che: A Revolutionary Life”) – last two pages before epilogue. People here need to put their damn sources. I mean Christ have you all written papers past the 5th grade?

poppajoe49
Guest
poppajoe49

The problem is you come in here 3 years after the discussion began, and try to tell us how we went wrong. We have discussed this ad-nauseum on this and another thread, but all it seems to do is bring out the occasional idiot that wants to convince us Che was a hero. Well, let me tell you something, the only clear-thinking person who would consider Che a hero is the likes of Hugo Chavez, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, and any of the other mass murderers of the 20th century, which BTW is company Che fits in with quite nicely. Try reading the website
http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm
Then come back here and tell us how wrong we are.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

So I tried to write you a long response to this and it accidentally got deleted. Maybe it was a divine sign I should quit this futile effort. It is absolutely clear you all don’t like hearing differing views on topics you rant about.
The gist of what I wanted to say was that there is a lot about the subject written. To read one source by a website where the creator doesn’t have any information about him/herself but a donate button is just slightly discouraging to me. Might I add if there was an undergraduate article in an engineering school newspaper with opinions on how great Che Guevara was and even all the sources listed I would avoid using that like the plague. You should too! You’re better than that!
Oh ya, and I never said and absolutely DO NOT think Che Guevara was a hero. He was a complicated, angry, sad, idealistic, and determined man, that is all. The symbol he became for better or worse is at the same time hated and loved by people who on both sides have absolutely no clue about the history of the time or the person. I had more but I’ll leave it at that. I won’t return – you can hide my posts and continue to hate a person you know nothing about and stay blissfully unaware of any nuances. I guess that is a must considering you all consider Nelson Mandela a terrorist… Over and out!
PS: You totally hurt my feelings by implying I was an idiot. In all my posts I attacked your IDEAS – not you! Lord Vader would be ashamed…

poppajoe49
Guest
poppajoe49

I didn’t say you were an idiot, but we do get lots of them here that are Che supporters, so we are a bit wary.

Where did any of us say Mandela was a terrorist? Now you’re just making shit up.

KimmyQueen
Member

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Kip Hooker
Member

Hey Mandela, necklaced anybody lately?

danybhoy
Member
danybhoy

I doubt it, but the real Mandella’s great grand daughter Zenani was killed in a car wreck the day before the World Cup started this past summer.

danybhoy
Member
danybhoy

Again, how did I get a thumbs down for stating a fact?

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/private-funeral-for-zenani-mandela-1.487037

…what kind of asshat vote against a varifiable fact. No opinion, but a fact.

Alien
Member
Alien

perhaps 2 downvotes over a period of nearly a year constitutes statistical asshat noise?

perlcat
Member

Yeah, you know them asshats. They’re such — uhm, well, they’re such — uhm *asshats*. I guess that’s the only word for ’em.

Conservative Republican
Guest
Conservative Republican

We “asshats” are used to getting voted down for facts. So instead of complaining we just bring up more facts. Maybe someday you’ll understand logic over emotion and speculation.

Che-slayer
Guest

Wow, another idiot who thinks that capitalist, racist and fascist are all the same thing?

Che hated “long-hairs” and hippies, “Negroes” and Mexicans.

He is mostly an icon for ignorant Americans who wear him on their t-shirt and give his name a capitalist, materialistic meaning anyways, and that’s it. He is no messiah, like you Che-loving hypocrites think.

Big Al
Member
Big Al

The college crowd can throw away their Obama shirts while they are at it too.

THE FACTS2
Guest
THE FACTS2

CHE GUEVARA …

– Worked in a Leper colony and treated lepers like Jesus did

– Is prayed to as “Saint Ernesto” by the poor in Bolivia

– Was instrumental in teaching over 900,000 Cubans to read

– Tended to thousands of sick campesinos

– Helped construct dozens of schools throughout Cuba

– Removed the Mafia and dictatorship of Batista from Cuba which had killed 20,000 Cubans and tortured thousands more

– Desegregated the schools in Cuba before they were in the Southern US

– Called out South Africa’s Apartheid in 1964, 30 years before the West!

– Denounced the racism and KKK in America

– Warned of the dangers of the IMF, 3 decades before most of the developing world realized they had been scammed into debt slavery

danybhoy
Member
danybhoy

Try harder. The man was a ruthless, genocidal, piece of sh!t. No amount of revisionism can paper over that fact.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

Try harder by listing more Objective facts about the man? You list facts that have sources (he needs them too) and then feel good about your smug comments.

Che-slayer
Guest

Oh? Che healed people as Jesus did?
The same Che that said he would squash Jesus if he got in Che’s way?

Interesting… Tell me more pl0x…
Not, I don’t care.

Che also didn’t denounce racism, he hated Black people, and Mexicans, and said the European was forward looking. Maybe he denounced the KKK, but that’s because they are/were democratic confederates.

Mind you, German National Socialists (Nazis, for those of you who are uneducated on terms like this) were also against the KKK.
Klansmen tried to open a chapter in Germany and it failed miserably.

Dee Mac
Member
Dee Mac

Ahh, this takes me back to the propaganda I was forced to read while working on my Master’s degree: The Pedagogy of Che – from cover to cover a Hippy’s view of how Che taught Peace through violence and provided the children of South America with a model for future Revolution. Still leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. The above article has more true in it than that entire book.

Footnote: After I made my case for removing the book from the required reading for the class, not only was it done, but the book was taken off of the school’s approved list and professors were not allowed to use it. Guess the admin finally did a bit of reading.

THE FACTS
Guest
THE FACTS

“I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed ‘an innocent’. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castr­o Cubans among the Cuban-Amer­ican exile community in Miami and elsewhere.­”

— Jon Lee Anderson, author of the 800 pg ‘Che Guevara: A Revolution­ary Life’, PBS forum
http://www­.pbs.org/n­ewshour/fo­rum/novemb­er97/che1.­html

perlcat
Member

Let me abbreviate what I said earlier, since you’re on a cut ‘n paste tear.

You’re a tool.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

I really don’t understand the MO of the majority of posters on here. All this poster did was quote an expert on the subject of this list, Ernesto Guevara de la Serna. For that you just go ad hominem, shut your eyelids tight, put your hands over your ears, and go “blah blah blah, I can’t hear you.”

Why? I don’t get it. Do you really just want a website where things can’t be discussed truthfully and adult arguments can’t be made? I thought this site, based on reading the FAQ page was to “point out all the bias and the blindness.” I think THE FACTS is just putting out a credible source to point out the blindness.

If I were you I would have gone to the source THE FACTS put, read it, and state your own argument against what he said with your own research. All in all, I for one think wearing a shirt of Che Guevara T-shirt, especially here in America, is idiotic based on the following:
1. He was an idealistic and radical man who absolutely saw violence as a means to an end. That is true no matter who you talk to. To live here in the US and not understand what that means and the weight that that carries when you wear that shirt is ridiculous.
2. If you support the ideas of Guevara, wearing a shirt you bought at Hot Topic would make you the biggest hypocrite in all the world.
3. Trying to make points with T-shirts is silly. Same goes for bumper stickers…

Sidekick
Member
Sidekick

Curious to see if you’ll expand on Point 1? What weight? Are you suggesting that the US somehow is more guilty of violence to achieve an end then say ANY other country, tribe, or individual with the possible exception of Switzerland (someone has to hold the loot)?

Personally, I try to avoid getting into moral relevancies and false equivalencies as its a very sloppy and lazy debate tactic. The difference, IMO, is the results matter far more than the intentions and the Cuban Revolution was a disaster for its people the opinions of a bunch of peasant straw men notwithstanding. Why Che’s intentions are important is a mystery except as a reference point to what a failure he was.

Saying he helped lepers or built schools is akin to saying Mussolini got the trains to run on time or Hitler built the autobahn. Stalin and Mao undoubtedly built hospitals and schools too. In fact, Moscow State University with its hideous architecture was a Stalin project as was the beautiful Metro system yet he liquidated 25 million of his own people. Defend Che? I can’t imagine why anyone other than a collectivist of one sort or another would.

UShouldCry
Member
UShouldCry

You’re right Sidekick. Violence to achieve a noble goal can be justified (WW2 for example – Hitler needed to go). Not sure where you read I was in any way commenting about US military actions in general. What I mean was that those of us here in the US who live in a society counter-culture to Che Guevara’s ideals, who saw our government in particular as an enemy (for whatever the reason) and the largest reason for unrest in his continent, should respect that and not misrepresent the situation (which is what people do when they wear that shirt).

Also, please don’t claim that the peasants of Cuba are “straw-men.” They were and are real people and if you want to go ahead and explain to me how awesome life was for lower class citizens under Batista please do so.

Sidekick
Member
Sidekick

How is it now under over 50 years of Castro? Ideals. My ass! Sociopaths do not have ideals. He wanted to take over a country and work for the international workers’ revolution. Delusional Marxist that he was. Even Stalin knew that wasn’t going to ever happen hence his socialism in one country policy shift. When Cuba didn’t work out for him he shifted his attention to South America. Of course the peasants are your straw men. You claim that the Cuban peasantry embraced him and the Revolution. Maybe some true believers did but not the majority. Life is generally hard for peasants under any system. Stupid argument. No one but you is misrepresenting (or in your case white washing) the horrors and misery of collectivism. You will win no converts here. The history of collectivism works against the neo-communists from the American middle class like you. Tell me I’m wrong! Pffft, you sound like my moronic 18 year old niece with her white guilt angst. You can’t because if you could you would have actually addressed the main points of my post. You didn’t because you can’t.

Necron_99
Member
Necron_99

[Sarc On] Yeah, and Hitler got a bad rap to…

– He took a nation that was demoralized and united it.
– He gave the nation a mission or focus.
– His engineers built and invented Freeways.
– The German economy boomed.
– He gave the German people back their confidence in themselves.
– He gave V2 technology which the world used to send rockets to space.
-He banned production and use of atomic weapons.
– He allowed the British to escape at Dunkirk
– He did everything possible to avoid war with Britain & France
– He didn’t use chemical weapons against the allies during D-Day invasion
– He banned production of atomic weapons
– He banned smoking on public transport
– He performed an economic miracle on Germany
– He liked his German shepherd.

“After visiting these two places (Berchtesgaden and the Eagle’s lair on Obersalzberg), you can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had boundless ambitions for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.”

– John F. Kennedy

[Sarc Off]

Eduardo
Guest
Eduardo

The first 6 claims are partly true because the economy and industrial boom was the work of his ministers Albert Speer, in economy, and Generalfeldmarschall Erhard Milch, as state secretary of aeronautics.

Actually, Hitler’s scientists were researching frantically on atomic power and wanted to make an atomic bomb -on Hitler’s orders. One of those researchers, Dr. Richter, finally ended up selling the idea of an atomic bomb to Argentina’s Juan Perón in 1947. And that was the beggining of the Argentinean Commission on Atomic energy that today works only in peaceful use of nuclear energy.

Hitler didn’t use chemical weapons during D-Day because he had nothing effective as open space chemical compounds. The worse compound they had was IG Farben’s Zyklon-B gas, that wasn’t even as effective in gas chambers as plain carbon monoxide.

1 2 3