4 of 12 Boys Trapped Inside Thai Cave Rescued. So far so good. We pray the rest get out alive. We’ll update.

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MGAP
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MGAP

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JPTravis
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Is that what you’re on?

JPTravis
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Reading about how the rescue was finally accomplished, this is the part that hit home for me:

“To help the members of the Navy SEALs, who had little experience in cave diving, search leaders turned to a group of highly skilled foreign cave divers, a rare breed of explorer. The boys and their coach were finally found on July 2 by two British divers who were extending guide lines into the cave. One diver, John Volanthen, reached the end of his line, fastened it in the mud, and emerged from the water to find 13 pairs of eyes staring at him. The boys, having no idea of the international fixation over their plight, were surprised to learn that the diver was from Britain. Had Mr. Volanthen’s line been 15 feet shorter, he would most likely have missed them.”

Pretty much what I was thinking: it took many days to figure out where they were and then to run sufficient guidelines and place sufficient oxygen tanks along the route. That’s a very time consuming project. The diver taking a spare tank uses oxygen himself, of course, so he might have to use three tanks himself in order to stash one spare tank along the route. Then he has to rest when he comes out because you can’t go down too often. Man, those rescue divers must be exhausted.

MGAP
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MGAP

IT’S COMPRESSED AIR IN THOSE TANKS, NOT OXYGEN.
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.Sorry, that’s been driving me nuts for three weeks now. The media has been repeating that it’s oxygen. Pure oxygen at one atmosphere, 33 feet, is toxic to the human animal. Nobody dives with pure oxygen.

JPTravis
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Okay, okay, you’re right, it wasn’t pure oxygen. But I just want to point out, since I cannot possibly agree with you without damaging our relationship, that it’s not exactly air, either, since compressed air is only used in recreational diving. No, it’s something different than air when professionals are staying down for long periods. I’m guessing they were using Nitrox since these dives were long but not deep. No decompression so they didn’t need Trimix or Heliox.

So there. Put that in your scuba tank and smoke it.

whiskeyriver
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I have done some reading on the subject and cave divers do have to decompress. It seems that water pressure is water pressure whether the diver is in a cave, a lake or the deep blue sea. Cave divers have a different kind of decompression schedule but they still have to be careful about how long they stay under. Which, thinking about it, may explain some of the delays in the rescue attempts. The divers had to decompress and that takes time.

None of us are experts and friends arguing with friends about it is kind of silly. Come on guys, it ain’t worth it!

JPTravis
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As long as he admits he’s wrong, I’m over it. I am nothing if not magnanimous.

MGAP
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MGAP

I’m wrong. Those cave dives were not deep, so mixed gas was not needed. All they used was compressed air in regular scuba tanks. Mixed gas at less than one atmosphere is not done. Again, most likely would cause a health issue with the divers. Did I mention that you’re not right?

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

Am I going to have to take you two out to the woodshed for a taste of my razor strop? (our dad used to tell us boys that if we were pissing at each other for no reason teehee)

JPTravis
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Trimix and Heliox are not done in shallow dives but Nitrox is when you’re trying to stay down for a long time. That’s the whole point of Nitrox. It allows you to stay down longer because you have less nitrogen in your tissue. It’s rural Thailand so maybe they didn’t have access to Nitrox to begin with but I bet when the foreign help started showing up one of the things they brought was a shitload of Nitrox and a truckload of spare tanks. But don’t worry about it. I accept your apology for being so woefully wrong. Think no more about it.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

LMOAO…This reminded me of something that happened years ago when I was maybe 12 or 13. Brother 1 and I have been sniping about some stupid something, wrestling around in the yard telling each other I’m gonna kick your ass and mom got tired of it. She told dad what was goin on so one day he showed up with a pair of boxing gloves. I think they were called 16 oz. gloves? Those big puffy things that really wouldn’t cause any damage if you were hit with one, maybe a bloody nose?

Anyway, dad got us into the back yard and made us put the gloves on. He told us you want to fight then you are going to fight. We danced around, punching at each other from about 4 feet away, but dad had also brought his strop. He smacked us across the back of our legs and told us to fight or I will whip both your asses! So we stepped in and started swinging away! We were just kids, didn’t know much about fighting yet, so no damage was done other than a couple of bloody noses. But I swear after about two minutes of that both of us were so tired we could barely hold our arms up much less swing at each other, huffing and puffing like a winded bull! I think that is where we learned our first lesson about family. After dad relented he told us we are family, we do not fight with each other we protect each other. And it has been that way ever since.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

Ease up there MGAP, everything in scuba tanks is called oxygen, it’s just a term in the scuba world and not worth getting your nuts all up in the air about.

danybhoy
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danybhoy

They are all out.

MGAP
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MGAP

I wonder where this soccer coach is going to move to after the ordeal is over. Surely he’ll never be allowed to show his face in public again after this fiasco.

MGAP
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MGAP
JPTravis
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It’s nice that most of the parents like the coach but going into caves seems like a weird activity for a soccer team. According to your link, this is something the team did regularly. But nobody ever did any research and found out it’s dangerous and the cave regularly floods? Not that the parents are blameless either. If I found out my son’s soccer coach was taking him caving I would put an end to that activity, or at least find out what the coach’s expertise was in that area.

MGAP
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MGAP

That seemed odd to me too. I recall hearing they went to scratch their names on the wall for winning a big game. Not sure how accurate that might be. Some local tradition maybe?

JPTravis
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As one bat said to the other as he watched the rescue effort, “There’s guano be some questions asked when they get that coach outta here.”

MGAP
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MGAP

I hear those SEAL guys didn’t bat an eye and dove straight into the rescue effort.

sifi
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sifi

Sonar or later that coach will answer for his blind stupidity.

JPTravis
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Ah, very good, you one of our most rabid punsters.

MGAP
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MGAP

This one’s never going to take wing and soar.

JPTravis
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Seems like we should be able to have a ball in a thread about bats.

MGAP
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MGAP

Well, your belfry certainly is full of them…

Jim Stewart
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Jim Stewart

Is it possible to just wing it with these bat and cave puns? Or am I in too deep?

JPTravis
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Man, you just sucked the blood out of the whole thread.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

I have read so many articles I don’t know what to think so I’m going to wait until a reputable news source, if there is such a thing, announces all the boys are in the hospital doing well.

People finding posts on Farcebook and posting it as news. One Thai official says this, another says that. One guy claims they entered the cave then the rains hit. The entrance flooded so quickly they could not get out and the flood water chased them over 2 miles into the cave. Nah, I’m not buying any of it anymore. This tragedy has turned into a media circus so I’ll wait until we hear about the final outcome.

danybhoy
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danybhoy

So far, so good. Hope this ends like the miners in Chile did.