Exposing the Safelink Wireless government cell phone for the poor scam

by editor on March 11, 2009

Today we ran the story of Michelle Obama serving risotto at the soup kitchen down the street from the White House. She was surrounded by poor people frantically snapping photos with their cell phones.

If you’re anything like us (and we understand completely if you don’t want to be) you wondered, how can the poor afford cell phones, fancy ones with cameras? The monthly bills on these things can eat you alive. Is there some sort of free government cell phone service we didn’t know about?

Safelink Wireless Free Government Cell Phones

We were tipped off to the Safelink Wireless website. But please be warned that if you visit this site you are likely to walk away pissed off. Here’s what it says:

“SafeLink Wireless is a government supported program 
that provides a free cell phone and airtime each
 month for income-eligible customers.”

free government cell phone from safelink wireless

Hello? Hello? Can anyone hear us complaining about this outrageous abuse?

“Lifeline Assistance is part of a program that was created by the government to provide discounted or free telephone service to income-eligible consumers. To help bring you this important benefit, SafeLink Wireless is proud to offer Lifeline Service. Through our Lifeline Service you will receive FREE cellular service, a FREE cell phone, and FREE Minutes every month! SafeLink Wireless Service does not cost anything – there are no contracts, no recurring fees and no monthly charges.”

“Any Minutes you do not use will roll-over. Features such as caller ID, call waiting and voicemail are all also included with your service. If you need additional Minutes, you can buy TracFone Airtime Cards at any TracFone retailer Walmart, Walgreens, Family Dollar, etc). SafeLink Airtime Cards will be available soon.”

“Your exact benefits, including the number of free Minutes you will receive, depend on the state you live in.”

Free cell phone from Safelink Wireless: how to qualify

“The process to qualify for Lifeline Service depends on the State you live in. In general, you may qualify if…

  1. You already participate in other State or Federal assistance program such as Federal Public Housing Assistance, Food Stamps and Medicaid. OR
  2. Your total household income is at or below 135% of the poverty guidelines set by your State and/or the Federal Government. AND
  3. No one in your household currently receives Lifeline Service through another phone carrier.
  4. You have a valid United States Postal Address. In order for us to ship you your free phone you must live at a residence that can receive mail from the US Post Office. Sorry, but P.O. Boxes cannot be accepted.

In addition to meeting the guidelines above you will also be required to provide proof of your participation in an assistance program, or proof of your income level.

Un-freakin-believable. Outrageous. Shocking.

The way we read it, this Safelink Wireless program gives you a free cell phone, free monthly service, and free minutes. You qualify even if you make 35% more than the designated “poverty” level or if you’re already getting additional freebies from the government. And we see nothing that indicates you have to be a legal resident of the United States to qualify.

The site is also available in Spanish, leading to the not-too-unreasonable conclusion that a significant percentage of the free cell phones applicants conceivably could be, may be, might be undocumented aliens.

And, for God’s sake, we don’t even want to know how many of those filling out a Safelink application are currently stiffing a bank on a mortgage they never really qualified for in the first place.

We think we’re going to have a stroke. Would someone please call 911 on their free cell phone?

Note: Now Assurance Wireless (Virgin) and ReachOut Wireless (Nexus) are in the game. They plus other minor players account for 8 million government phones in circulation.

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jimmy
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jimmy
April 22, 2009 10:56 pm

you all cant be like that, when u dont understand where alot of us are coming from.. yeah there are poeple out there that take advantage of free stuff, my family arent one of them… my dad is a proud man who worked most of his life in the army while my mom worked her ass off raising 5 kids and working full time… my parents cant live off the crap they call retirement pay they give him so my mom got one of these phones with only 68 mins on it to keep in touch with her kids and grandkids if u want to talk shit go complain to the government and leave us alone… if you work good for you atleast you got a job oh and while your complaining to the bastards in office tell em to help out the vets that fought for this hell hole and help out the fallen vets fams that need help to… not all of us americans are lazy it just seems our country that we are supposed to be sooo proud of screws most of us over… get real poeple who u really pissed off at….

Miranda
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Miranda
April 21, 2009 3:19 pm

This isn’t very fair.
I am currently waiting for my safelink phone.
All we get is 68 minutes a month. That isn’t SHIT. I don’t have a job. Can’t find a job, but I have two very young [ages 2 and 1] kids and I have to have a phone. I have to make doctor’s appointments, get a ride, go to the store, etc.
It is to my understanding…you have to be receiving help from the government, i.e. food stamps, medicaid, ktap, etc. That is why I qualify.
It isn’t right for those of you BITCHING about having to work for what you’ve got when SOME of us would like to have a job PERIOD…
It’s not fair for you to criticize people like us that really need help.

fedup
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fedup
June 18, 2009 6:31 pm

1) “All we get is 68 minutes a month. That isn’t shit.”

Example of another tit-sucking entitlement-minded waste of humanity with the typical “My govvament done nuffin fo me.” attitude. How about a a nice THANK YOU to those were ROBBED to give you those “shit 68 minutes”?

2) “I don’t have a job, can’t find a job, but I have two very young kids and I have to have a phone.”

Example of ad decisions and their consequences. This is where your right to reproduce and your right to happiness conflict because of your low income. This is a very predicable equation, and one that you should have figured out with the FIRST child? I digress. You choose to have not one, but two expensive babies. You recognize that you need a phone. Dilemma. What to do. Good thing that big fat government tit will come down to solve this issue. Just latch on suck it hard – right of out my (and every other responsible, taxpaying, non-breeding) pocket.

3) “…You have to be receiving help from the government… that’s why I qualify”

So we’ve established that you’ve got multiple payouts going… great.

4) “It isn’t right for those of you BITCHING about having to work for what you’ve go… ”

Now see, this is the fatal flaw in the argument. I don’t think any of us that are working, and paying for our services are bitching about not getting them for free. Personally, I would not take a handout even if I was entitled to it. You seem to imply that people are bitching because they aren’t getting it for free. On the contrary… We’re upset that we’re working so that YOU can get it for free. In other words, NO ONE should be getting free services from tax money. If you need support, solicit it from a charity, a church, a fund raiser. Goign to the government for free stuff is THEFT from those who are paying for it.

6) “Some of us would like to have a job PERIOD…”

We, with a ‘why me’, ‘where’s my help’, ‘you’re bitching because you ain’t gettin it for free like me” attitude, I don’t have a difficult time understanding your job search problems.

kaj
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kaj
July 21, 2009 10:47 am

That’s good fedup: “right to reproduce & right to happiness conflict because of low income”. Nicely put.

karen
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karen
April 10, 2009 2:32 pm

The Safelink Wireless free cell phone program was set up so if you were to poor to afford a cell phone you could have what they consider a EMERGENCY PHONE! i dont know how people at a soup kitchen were taking photos as the phones they give you (at least in ny) are a basic tracphone you can buy at any walgreens here the cheapest model running about $10,tracphone has always been free celluar service as its pay by minutes.yes you do get 68 free mins a month but thats nothing if you’ve ever used a cell phone.I myself qualified for it with paystubs (Because I do work!)not already being on goverment “freebies” as stated in article and I was very happy to have when my car broke down and i had no way else to call for help with a 7month baby with me it was a life saver.I’m sure there are people who are abusing this program but there are some like me that are using it for what it was meant for….And there are plenty of people who abuse other programs and work off the books and etc.so with all the garbage our goverment has spent on useless stuff and all the taxes we pay in ny I think its great they gave me a $10 phone and $10 worth a minutes FOR EMERGENCIES! at least i’m getting something back from my taxes!

royce
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royce
April 7, 2009 12:02 pm

I also forgot the program was further during President George W. Bush’s era in the White House by Two Repubilcan FCC chairman, but again due to the privously mention act which was signed by President Bill Clinton. Also common criticism of the bill was corporate greed going amuck. Also was not supported by consumer advocates such a Ralph Nader.

royce
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royce
April 7, 2009 11:54 am

Take a minute a do a little research. First, this service is not available in Washington D.C. Secondly, if you took the time to go to the website you’ll notice the Motorola phone picture on the website. It is the W175, which does not have a camera phone. Third, if you were to get this service, you only get 68 airtime minutes. That means if you budget yourself for the month, you get to use 2.25 minutes per day. I haven’t been able to find anything concrete, but the business side of me is screaming huge discount to the government for bringing me all of those customers poor customers who will find it hard just to use 68 minutes a month. Now I’m going to charge them the regular going rate to purchase more minutes. Yeah, anything over 68 mins. have to be purchased by the user. Lastly, for you all that think this is a Dem. program, not. The history of this goes back to the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Reviewed, debated, and sent to the President by a Republican congress (104th). While I can’t find how the house voted, I can tell you how the Senate voted on this bill. There were only 5 nays, 4 Democrat and one lone Republican, John McCain. Please people before you believe these bias websites, blogs, commenters (Lib. and Conserve.) research what they are saying to you before you rush to an opinion about a subject. The life of Our Country is at stake. By the way, it only took me an hour and a DSL connection to search for the above information, no great effort was involved.

Dede
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Dede
April 7, 2009 7:09 am

Excuse me G but this program started under Bush. FYI in 2001 he added 6 million more people to get tax rebates that never paid in. Don’t go bashing if ya don’t know the facts.

piousminion
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piousminion
April 18, 2016 5:53 pm

Some authorities go back even further and say the Obama Phone program can trace its roots back to the Clinton administration because that’s when the Federal Communications Commission authorized a subsidy for landline telephones as part of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The Act authorized subsidized landline telephones for America’s needy. …but no, Bush’s fault totally, right? Pfft.

denni
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denni
April 5, 2009 4:01 pm

i wanted to leave a comment here because i can see that you are all angry about this program. i was investigating Safelink Wireless as a scam when i found this web site and wanted to reply. i have recently been helping a war veteran who has been homeless for fourty four years. the reason? no one cared. he cant get to the va for help without food, $ or gasoline if a veteran happens to have a vehicle. which most dont. they cant get jobs if they have no place to wash or a way to get there. they cant get assistance from the social security office if they dont have a phone. this fact i found out about friday. these people dont want to talk to me about the veteran . they want to talk to the veteran. so im trying to get the phone for jimmy. or they wont help him. there are many reasons why this will benefit american service men. but i agree these good intentions will be abused. im hoping that it will help jimmy and others like him,though.

mike
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mike
June 17, 2009 2:02 am

the homeless situation is scary and there are way too many homeless veterans out there. The homeless are not looking for a handout, some people need assistance to get back on their own two feet. I don’t think we should we can count them out. I think that the average person can make a difference by donating time, NOT MONEY. Even taking leftovers to a homeless person can show them that they are not forgotten, or old clothes. Any one of us could end up homeless – college graduates, veterans, the disabled, elderly, and so on. My girlfriend and I used to drive around with bags of fast food for the homeless. Not one asked for alcohol or money. They were very greatful.

Administrator
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Administrator
April 5, 2009 11:33 am

Paul, no, you are in fact very good at spelling four letter words. You’ve merely been disemvoweled. We don’t care much for foul language here. Learn some new words and give it another shot.

Paul
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Paul
April 5, 2009 10:44 am

I see you have nothing better to do then try to make people who see the true point of your post look like idiots who can’t spell, You should be very proud of yourselves.. Do me a favor ok? Find a cliff and jump off of it.

marilyn
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marilyn
April 4, 2009 7:59 am

Hey hang on maybe we’ll all get every single thing we ever do in life FREE in the near future! Forget working. Why do it at all? I think we oughta all QUIT ! I work really hard to get what I need. But you know what? I think I’ll quit so I TOO can get all this free stuff like free cell phones from Safelink! Then I can sleep most the day if I wanna! Now that it’s explained to me and I understand that I dont really HAVE to do anything….hey! It’s a good plan and my President seems to think it’s A-ok!

Marc
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Marc
June 10, 2009 2:06 am

I’d hold on before you quit your job. The reason I say this is because about 2 years ago, I suffered from end stage renal disease (kidney failure). I was only 46 years old and it damned near killed me. They told me that it had caused a lot of damage to my body. I had a heart attack and a mini stroke along with it. I was working full time and all of a sudden I was told that I could no longer work and that I had to go on total disability. And even though I had been paying into it for over 30 years I still feel incredibly guilty for receiving it. Social Security is now paying for my $96,000 per year dialysis treatments and everything else. I feel incredibly guilty for this. I want so desperately to work and pay my own way but I can’t. I’ve even thought about just stopping my dialysis. To me, it would just be so much honorable than sucking off of the government just to stay alive.

Anyway, the reason that I said all of this is to let you know that you would not be happy doing this. I’ve been, as a lot of you have said, been sucking off the government for over 2 years now and I HATE it. I want no part of it and especially THIS government (oh, don’t get me started on this Obama botched abortion of a government!). Man, I got sidetracked again. Anyway, don’t quit your job because while you may like it at first, I can guarantee that you’ll soon come to hate it and yourself for doing it.

As far as these free cell phones from Safelink go, I for one, even though I would definitely qualify for one and have a use for one would never want one.

UhHuh
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UhHuh
July 5, 2009 2:04 pm

Don’t feel guilty. What happened to you is NOT your fault and all that money you paid into the system was like insurance premiums for disasters like yours. I cannot help but think people are “guilting” you into believing you are a leech and that cannot be further from the truth.

I feel sorry for you that you would think you are undeserving of what you paid for.

Paul
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Paul
April 3, 2009 9:33 am

Yll nd t grw th fck p, th nly rsn ths bllsht cmplnt pst s vn hr s bcs y gys r pssd ff tht yr nt elgbl fr fr cll phns, jst gt vr it srsly!

G
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G
April 1, 2009 1:54 pm

Just one more fact in the life in the “OBAMA NATION… remember…

It’s OBAMA’s nation we just “PAY” here.

To the “da baddest Bitch”‘s comment …. WE ARE’NT HATING ….. We’re just tired of paying for everything that everyone who dosen’t do anything at all to get the rewards of hard work has….. Nevermind… I’m not wasting anymore time on your comment… I have to get back to WORK so that I can pay for your safelink wireless phone service

“G”

UhHuh
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UhHuh
July 5, 2009 2:01 pm

If they want more minutes, they have to PAY for them. The phones are not any different than the freebies one gets when signing up for service with any regular provider. People need phones to be contacted for job interviews, child care issues and the rest. Most phone companies require outrageous deposits for land lines–something a person looking for work is not going to have.

FTR: I work and I pay for my REGULAR service. However, if it will keep someone from stealing my phone, I am all for giving them a cheap-ass TracPhone.

Administrator
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July 5, 2009 2:09 pm

Actually, it is different. Safelink Wireless give free phones to people, and if they do not use over the number of minutes, there is no charge whatsoever. Nothing.

BobOD
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BobOD
May 30, 2009 9:06 am

This is like the Dr. Zuess tale the star bellied sneaches.
Many working people show detest for the non working. Just like some whites do not like blacks and thin people do not care for heavy people. To them it seems like a logical thing to do but their logic is flawed. possibly due to lack of empathy. Some heavy people have a disease that is no fault of their own.
Color of skin is simple a color. Many out of work people are their because of disability, health issues etc. They are not all deadbeats, similarly not all CEOs are corrupt people. Think less about ME and more about others because you never know what you will do or what may happen to you before you die.

da baddest bitch
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April 1, 2009 7:10 am

yall bitches need to stop hating

Britton
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July 20, 2009 7:25 am

It’s hatin’ sorta like I axed you a question….Get it right!

ct
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ct
July 8, 2009 5:09 pm

i hope you free cell phone users can sleep at night knowing there are children that dont have food or shelter, but you have a cell phone.

kim
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kim
July 19, 2009 8:35 pm

I can sleep very well at night with my free cell phone knowing that if I need to call 911 for one of my three children, one being autistic, I can. My husband lost his job and we had to let every extra luxury go to survive. No cable, no internet(free library use) no paid cell service. We are living on just the basics. I cannot even afford the land line telephone service here that runs a monopoly with no choice. Don’t talk down the people that need the service before you know where they come from. It is not our fault the company moved over seas. Talk to the government that is sending all those jobs away. With the phone it doesn’t even let you know the phone number so you can’t give out the number. No voicemail. You can just call out. Emergency use because it is so limited. It comes preactivated and you only get 60 minutes a month and your income has to be reviewed yearly. Know what your talking about before you start dissing people. I need to be able to stay in touch with my sons doctor and emergency services if needed.

kaj
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kaj
July 20, 2009 11:08 am

Fact: You only need a working phone to call 911, no minutes. FCC regulations require cell carriers to handle 911 calls from any phone, whether that phone has a contract or not. So the 911 excuse don’t fly ’round here.

“”Know what your talking about before you start dissing people. I need to be able to stay in touch with my sons doctor and emergency services if needed.””

It’s too bad that you have difficulties in your life. What gives you the right to shift that burden to other people?

kaj
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kaj
July 20, 2009 3:18 pm

KIM…….The same rights I have? Show me in the constitution where a telephone is a “right”.

Don’t even lecture me about living on the edge, lol. I haven’t had a full time job in 4 years. I do not have medical ins, so I have to pay for medicine out of my pocket every month. I also have managed to pay for my own cell phone all this time. I have survived without ever taking a penny from the gov’t….no unemployment, no foodstamps, no freebies of any kind. But I’m not here to play “Who’s The Poorest”.

It boils down to what is right, and what is wrong. If it is wrong for me to mug someone at gunpoint to get money for something, then it is just as wrong if I get some liberal buddies in the government to do it for me…. which is what this phone program does. It takes money from some people by force, to hand it to others who did not earn it.

kim
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kim
July 20, 2009 11:26 am

The same rights that you have. I am paying for my things too. We pay taxes on the unemployment we get and through my job. I am a tax payer too. Using what I have paid in all these years. Wait until next year when Obama screws your job up then tell me your not using what you paid into the revenue service. I need to call the doctor too about medications and adjustments that won’t cost the tax payers a doctors appointment too. God forbid because of people like you. I work fulltime and I homeschool 3 children, my children rank 4 in state EOG tests every year and all have straight A’s and get Outstanding Citizen Awards from the county we live in helping others. Don’t dare talk to me like I am a low life. Just getting a little help while I need it unlike some who scam the system for years. An autistic child on medication and therapy and losing health insurance that we paid for years is not a fun time.

Britton
Member
July 20, 2009 7:23 am

“Quote” With the phone it doesn’t even let you know the phone number so you can’t give out the number. No voicemail. You can just call out. “End Quote”

Like all prepaid cell phone’s (or any phone) it does have a phone number. Look in the pre-paid option on the menu and it says “phone number” if you go in that it shows you the phones number and you can even see its serial number and other information.

I would be quite useless if you could not receive a call on it. To check and see if voice mail is available just press and hold the 1 key for a few seconds and it should call voice mail. Unless the phone is just that worthless.

fedup
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fedup
July 20, 2009 11:32 am

Well, if that’s true, then about 90% of the arguments made here about it being a ‘blessing’ for those homeless looking for potential employers calling them, is hose manure. IMO, that makes this all the more of an outrage!

BTW, unemployment benefits that are taxed, are not the same as you paying taxes on the fruits of your labor. If you have no job, the income you receive is FREE. If you happen to only get 80% of what they tell you you’re getting, it’s still FREE.

kim
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kim
July 20, 2009 11:23 am

My cell phone is blank under that menu option…just got the preactivated phone yesterday…no phone number…press and hold one for voice mail a recording comes on and says this service not available for safelink services. I know how cell phones work this phone is for true emergencies only.

fedup
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fedup
June 18, 2009 6:37 pm

Yea, bitches… there’s plenty of government tit to go around. Just reach up, squeeze and enjoy. No need work… Idiocracy here we come. Sick thing is, da baddest bitch’s vote counted just as much as mine. And thats why the system will never change.

Administrator
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Administrator
March 12, 2009 3:38 pm

We are hearing reports from readers that they are seeing ads for these free government phones from Safelink Wireless. So, we’re not only paying for the phones and airtime, we’re paying for commercials.

Liberty
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Liberty
March 11, 2009 8:09 pm

I don’t have a free cell phone & I dial up because I can’t afford anything else. I have a job.

mike
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mike
June 17, 2009 1:49 am

I hope things improve for you and the rest of us that have dial up. We need more and better paying jobs. No more GM bailouts – let ford grow larger and hire the GM guys. Clip coupons, make the kids turn of the lights and TV when they are not in the room. Shades over windows will save a fortune even in an apartment. Plan car trips during low traffic hours. I hope that even one suggestion here does something to help someone.

Jude
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Jude
March 11, 2009 7:55 pm

Can we really expect anything better from the government?

fedup
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fedup
June 18, 2009 6:34 pm

Or humanity. With very few exceptions, humanity dictates that if there is a ‘free-ride’ or a way to cut corners, man will find a way – even at the expense of others.

Sybil
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Sybil
March 11, 2009 7:17 pm

This is making me sick!!!

flashingscotsman
Member
May 23, 2013 1:01 pm

Hey, there we go. I knew you morons were out there, lurking.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
November 21, 2012 7:04 am

I don’t know, I clicked on the link in the email, and got a 404 error, maybe that explains it.

jcrowley1985
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jcrowley1985
May 22, 2013 7:37 pm

You rang?

toobad4you
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toobad4you
May 22, 2013 7:34 pm

you said it best! one of the best posts on here! awesome!

RockingHorseGuy
Member
August 15, 2011 11:36 am

“Do you want to do whatever’s reasonable to keep this society at maximum productivity, or are you committed to creating (and expanding) a vast underclass of illiterate, unemployed and unemployable poor?”

Isn’t that where we are now? How many decades of this grand experiment we call welfare does it take to see that it doesn’t work? Maximum productivity? What in the HELL are you talking about? Illiterate, unemployed, unemployable? What do you think this welfare debacle has produced? Are you really this stupid, my dear, sweet, pointy-headed Olivia?

Answer: Yes.

And I can translate her reply in advance. You mean nasty old conservatives haven’t let the welfare state advance far enough, haven’t allowed it to do enough, to work it’s socialistic magic. It’s all your fault! (Gnarled, crooked witch fingers pointed at us.)

P.S. Fourths. Buried.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
August 15, 2011 3:38 am

Answer my question our don’t bother responding at all. Your analogy fails at every conceivable level. Why do you only hold certain segments of society responsible for themselves? Socialists like you want me to maintain my home and the home of the lazy guy down the street. Bigotry of low expectations, eh, Olivia?

toobad4you
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toobad4you
May 22, 2013 7:27 pm

who told you that bigass lie. you must really think you are rich because you make 150,000. So SAD. smh

Kip Hooker
Member
April 6, 2011 3:19 pm

I remember when making $150,000.00 a year was pretty comfortable living. Not so much any more. Thanks Obama!

toobad4you
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toobad4you
May 22, 2013 7:25 pm

when you say taxpayers you mean that you are a person who works and pays your taxes? Well you are wrong. That money for the subsidized phones come from anyone who owns a landline or cell phone. The universal service fund provides these funds for poor folks and just so you know it is not only just for the “poor” i hate to disappoint you, but anywho, it is for schools, libraries, public organizations, hospitals, and yes (even rich companies). Everyone that has any type of phone bill, pays that money into it, so NO, it does not come from taxpayers because there are people who don’t work and still pay their phone bills.

Olivia
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Olivia
August 14, 2011 12:01 pm

JJJRO II – YOU sir, are the idiot. There is no such thing as FREE if the government is giving it away. The TAX-PAYERS are paying for it, so it’s not FREE! And it would be much cheaper to give people “free” landlines than cellphones.
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Not true. First, landlines require a security deposit. (That can get very expensive if the person has to move around, as poor people often do.) Second, they aren’t necessarily cheaper to use and maintain. Third, they’re of limited use in a day and age where prospective employers expect to be able to reach a job applicant wherever s/he is, and whatever s/he’s doing.

Some of you far righters seem to be stuck in a mid-20th century time warp. Owning a basic cell phone is no more “fun” than owning a snow shovel or a toilet brush. It’s simply a convenience, that’s all. You get so eaten up with jealousy at the idea of someone else getting some assistance that you can’t see the situation for what it is.

maria luz hernandez
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maria luz hernandez
June 30, 2011 12:41 pm

look u idiot i am latin and disabled and this safelink cell has helped me so much once i was stranded on the side of the road and had a epi attack and thank god for the safelink cell i was able to contact 911 .and i have payed my taxes for 15 years i worked as a family support agent and do to a drunk driver i am disabled know and have children so i say thank god for the free cell phone because living on disability is not easy

RockingHorseGuy
Member
March 26, 2011 6:15 pm

Dorothy, what you say is absolutely true. But didn’t you even see JJRO’s sarcasm go by, as it flew completely over your head?

JJJRO
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JJJRO
February 16, 2011 3:36 pm

I already got my phone. Are trying to force me to take another one? I guess I could let one of my illegal gardeners use it for a while. (insert sarcasm symbol here)

hisham
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hisham
April 21, 2013 6:48 pm

And if someone likes guns that’s bad?!? What about people who like hamburgers, or shoes, or cars, or baseball memorabilia? Gun ownership is more than just liking guns. You have a Federal government that is buying up guns and ammunitions, with your tax dollars, as it there were no tomorrow. What are they preparing to do to you and to me while we’re not looking? You think that because you’re a cheerleader for socialism you’re not going to get clobbered when they finally bring the hammer down? Think again! You’re nothing more than a useful idiot, Oblovia.

David Bishop
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David Bishop
August 14, 2011 1:07 pm

I will actually partially agree with you on this, as I cannot speak for all people and I do know a few who have guns just to have guns. I own a SOCOM II and a Kimber .45 myself. But I have children I need to protect, and I like to hunt.

hisham
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hisham
April 21, 2013 6:37 pm

Ahh Oblovia, I haven’t had the pleasure of your screeching fingernails on the chalkboard and I wish to keep it that way. What you don’t know about inalienable rights and ‘shall not be infringed’ could fill useless volumes of toilet paper, but you still blather on as if we need to hear the words that are coming out of your mouth. The Second Amendment is not just about being able to carry your own weapon around, let alone own it in the first place, but to have a competative edge and parity with a government that has outstripped its constitutional bounds long ago. Guns in the hands of bitter clingers and bible thumpers means that f***heads like you will be less likely to run rampant on our public streets!

RockingHorseGuy
Member
October 21, 2011 8:51 pm

You’re not real bright, are you, My Dear Sweet Olivia?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
August 15, 2011 4:48 am

such things are best left to the pros

So is thinking, maybe that is something you should leave alone.

David Bishop
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David Bishop
August 14, 2011 6:54 am

Oh yeah, the police; when seconds count, they’re only minutes away.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
November 22, 2012 4:32 pm

Hmmmmmm.

flashingscotsman
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November 22, 2012 10:40 am

I mean, just a little something in the key words to attract the loons, so we can make fun of them? I LOVE this thread! It’s just become too cumbersome for the servers.

Maybe title it, “Free goodies for all?”

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
November 21, 2012 5:29 pm

OH GOD NO!!!!!!!!!

flashingscotsman
Member
November 21, 2012 10:22 am

This thread is unmanageable. Maybe we should start another one just like it?

flashingscotsman
Member
November 20, 2012 10:34 pm

I can’t believe I haven’t gotten any TD’s on that one. Did we run out of libtards?

flashingscotsman
Member
July 9, 2012 9:54 am

I was watching a documentary last night, about a family that had their little girl kidnapped by someone they knew. This man was known to be physically and sexually violent with children in the past. The father of the girl found out where they were, and drove to the house. He had information that his daughter was in that house, and he called Toledo Police Department, 911.

After waiting a half hour, he called again, and was told that the police were busy, he was on a list for a service call. He explained the situation again, that he was sitting in front of a house, with a kidnapper and a little girl in it. “Yes, we’re really busy, we’ll get there as soon as we can.

After waiting over an hour, the guy got a crowbar and went in. His wife was in the car, calling 911 again. Turns out the kidnappers were a man and two women, and they overpowered him, shoved him out the door, and were beating him with rocks and bricks. The show had recordings of the wife, and three neighbors, all calling 911, reporting the man being beaten. The dispatcher kept telling them the police were on the way.

When the police finally arrived, they arrested the girl’s father for breaking and entering, then attacking the kidnapper.

Yeah, call the police. Don’t get involved, the police will handle it.

RobertW
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October 31, 2011 1:02 pm

David: God Bless you for serving brother! be safe over there!

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
August 14, 2011 11:46 am

When the mobs are kicking the doors everywhere 911 doesn’t care!

Olivia
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Olivia
August 14, 2011 11:45 am

Oh yeah, the police; when seconds count, they’re only minutes away.
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David, from what I’ve seen in the ER (and read in the local police reports), a lay person with a gun is much more likely to accidentally shoot himself, than to save a life by shooting an intruder.

I’m not against gun ownership by any means, but I suspect that most people own guns because they like guns, not necessarily because it makes them safer.

flashingscotsman
Member
July 5, 2012 8:17 pm

A lot of what you say is true, Victoria. Maybe the kids you know haven’t tried to find jobs, or their parents didn’t make them look, but there is a serious shortage of kid-level jobs right now, most of them having been taken by adults that can’t find a decent job is this Obama-inspired recession.

Jenn
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Jenn
July 5, 2012 8:05 pm

Got it. Thanks for the tip. :)

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
July 5, 2012 8:03 pm

Because this thread is so long that the server is confused by the number of pages. The only way to easily find these messages is to put the number 38 in front of the # sign in the link and then hit enter.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
July 5, 2012 8:00 pm

Why don’t you get back to work? I’m sure your bosses at Safelink want you to keep processing applications, not playing on the internet.

Jenn
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Jenn
July 5, 2012 7:32 pm

Gosh… what was it I just read somewhere here on this thread? Uh… something about if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all? I wonder who it was that tossed that one out there. Gee, Nancy. Maybe you could take that person’s advice?

For the record, as I mentioned some time ago here, why yes, my family does qualify for the Safelink phone, but we personally “don’t even try to get one” because we recognize that it is NOT the taxpayers responsibility to fund our desire to have one. We pay for a cheap Tracfone instead. Read that as many times as you need to for it to sink in. We are “poor” enough to qualify for a Safelink phone, but still pay for our cell phone ourselves because we feel that is *our* responsibility, not anyone else’s. I love how you jumped to the conclusion that everybody in the country would “try” to get a “free” phone if only they weren’t so drunk or stupid! Not all of us live under the delusion that we are entitled to anything at all that we want, Nancy.

Jenn
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Jenn
July 5, 2012 7:57 pm

Yeah. But if nothing else, by replying, we move her down off the “Recent Conversations” list so she doesn’t show up anymore on the front page, right? 😉

ETA: Why are these replies kicking me to an error message after I submit and then showing up at the bottom of the thread?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
July 5, 2012 7:55 pm

Jenn, you’re talking to a brick wall.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
July 5, 2012 7:53 pm

Go back to your little gated community in the country and keep dreaming your sweet, unrealistic dreams Nancy.

Nancy
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Nancy
July 5, 2012 5:36 pm

Thank you! By the looks of some of the grammar and spelling on this message board, not to mention crazy talk, I can assume few of the folks on this board are actually taxpayers as I have no idea how they would hold down a job of any substance. They probably qualify for Safelink themselves, but the lies on here and the fact that Safelink is VERY minimal with VERY limited service and none of the bells and whistles mentioned in the article, they probably don’t even try to get one because they have been drinking too much moonshine laced TEA!

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 22, 2011 12:07 pm

Oh Damn ITS BAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK

RockingHorseGuy
Member
October 21, 2011 8:47 pm

My Dear Sweet Pointy-Headed Olivia. Yes, there is often a security deposit required for a land line. That’s because so many lowlife assh*&es just leave without paying their bill when they get kicked out for not paying their rent and move to another fleabag. But what you conveniently fail to mention is that, if you actually DO pay your bill, you get the security deposit BACK when you terminate your service to move to the next location. Then you use that money to pay your NEW security deposit.

And the beat goes on.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
August 14, 2011 12:48 pm

Should we subsidize snow shovels and toilet brushes? They are necessary too. How about free computers, printers, and paper so the recipient class can exercise their free speech rights? Cars? Let’s give away those too. After all they are necessary for many people. Cellphones don’t even scratch the surface of what people need….sweaters? People need those too.

How dare the tax payer balk at this wealth redistribution via the tax code! Obviously he is a racist and the Olivia’s in the world will condemn him for actually having the gall to want to use his own hard-earned money to buy his own family goods and services.

Nancy
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Nancy
July 5, 2012 5:28 pm

How many people have tried to attack you? Where do you hang out that you are so frickin afraid of everyone? I have lived over 50 years without packing a pistol of any kind anywhere on me or in my home and I have never been threatened, beaten, raped or shot. It has somewhat to do with what company you keep, how you behave around people and what you portray yourself. Ever hear of the statement, “There is nothing to fear, but fear itself”. Chill dude!

Lillian Cochran
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Lillian Cochran
November 8, 2011 8:32 am

How true, I say just shoot, these slimebags don’t deserve a free ride in prison, with their tv’s and lay around all day doing nothing to earn all their warm beds and free food while we taxpayers get nothing and had to work our fingers to the bone all our lives for nothing but to be charged out the wazzoo the rest of our lives just to try to live.

PSD
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PSD
June 10, 2011 3:45 pm

WhiskeyRiver: Obviously I don’t know you, but I have to say that the idea of you carrying a gun around is very disturbing. The attitude that comes through loud and clear in your post makes it pretty obvious that you don’t need to be carrying a gun. It sounds as if you’re practically daring someone to get you to use it on them. Gun owners, especially those who have been trained to shoot by a professional, are held to a higher standard of accountability than others. That is not to say that EVERY gun owner should ever be careless, but with greater knowledge comes greater responsibility.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
February 27, 2011 10:04 am

There’s a lot of discussion about that question on sites that are more gun-specific, Whiskey. I’ve read a lot about it, and talked with a lot of people, and come to the conclusion that we should keep the criminals guessing. Let them look at EVERYONE as if they might be armed. Keep the fear in the criminals. But then again, I don’t believe law-abiding citizens should have to have a permit for concealed carry, either.

JJJRO
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JJJRO
February 5, 2011 4:06 pm

Same here in Los Angeles, Whiskeyriver. We can carry, except it can’t be loaded, can’t have a clip in it, oh, yeah, and it can’t be a gun.

Victoria
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June 29, 2012 8:31 am

I am proud of you for working and helping your parents with the money your earned at a teenager. I wish today’s teenagers would help out their parents, by getting summer jobs and for their own extra curicular activities that they have decided to be in. Today teenagers act entitled to everything, wouldn’t even consider helping out with the bills ,and act put upon when questioned about getting a job. I guess it’s the Me, Me, Me generation all they think about is themselves. It is frustrating watching my cousin deal with her teenagers, with the above problem. I told me son as soon as you turns 14 he will be getting a summer job to pay for his own activities. My father went to work every day and never ever complained, the way the kids today do. Frustrated.

fed up to you know where
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fed up to you know where
March 22, 2012 9:06 am

“NO WELFARE. No free cell phones. No taxpayer funded housing. No subsidized utilitys. NO FREE RIDE FOR ANYONE!” whiskeyriver….I like you. My parents raised 9 children with no help from the gov. AT ALL!!!! My father never filed for his income tax because he felt that it was charity. Never had a phone in his entire life, didn’t need one. Didn’t have a television set until 1965. Didn’t borrow money from a bank nor did he put his money in a bank. Never had any to put in! He told me once that he and my mother would buy 50 lbs of potatoes and pray it would be enough to feed us until next payday. I remember as a young girl having cornbread smeared with butter for supper. I didn’t know we were dirt poor and it was all we had in the house. We had no electricity, stove, or indoor toilet. Heat came from a fireplace and insulation for our house was paper stuffed in the floor cracks. We depended on each other, family and church. I didn’t have shoes to wear to school when I started way back in ’65 and didn’t need them until the cold set in anyway. Today try sending your child to school without shoes and see how fast CPS responds. The Gov. might even buy the shoes for you. My older siblings also quit school to work to make ends meet. Today try letting your 12 or 13 yr old quit school for any reason and see what happens. Or send ’em to school with no lunch or lunch money. There were no Free Lunches then and if there had been Daddy wouldn’t have let us take it. My oldest brother suffered from polio during the country’s polio crisis while in the first grade and never went back to school. He worked his job of washing vehicles for a local dealership for more than 30 yrs until his health started to fail him. Can’t read, write, count money but he made it because he HAD to. If the Gov would stop trying to do everything for everyone then they would do it themselves. I have a 27 yr old mentally and physically disabled child. Since birth. She has had major medical problems and with that came major medical bills. When she turned 21 and could no longer be on our insurance and her dad no longer had to pay support for her…I had no choice but to apply for her medicaid medical coverage. That pissed me off!!! If the gov wants to do something for me they could do something with the insurance industry in order to keep special needs children on their parents insurance and change child support laws to demand that fathers take more responsibility of their own disabled adult children. Most of these “free” programs are designed to cause dependency. You can’t receive medicaid insurance without receiving a SSI check!!! How ridiculous is that. I could make do without that monthly check but not her medical coverage! And even then my husband and I, not her father (he refused, had to get himself a new big rig) had to pay for her current artificial leg. $8,875.00 See what I mean!!!! I have no choice and that Mr. whiskeyriver is why I am FED UP TO YOU KNOW WHERE with all this YOU KNOW WHAT

Sue
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Sue
September 17, 2011 6:31 am

Some of us ‘poor welfare bums’ are not illiterate or lazy or drug addicts. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to have people to help out. I am a single mother of 3 young children, 1 is quite ill. I had planned to stay at home and care for them while my ex-husband worked. Unfortunately he suffered a spinal injury and became a drug addict from the pain medications. We are no longer together because he chose drugs over his family. He now recieves 3X as much assistance as myself and my kids for his ‘disability’ (lol) and is not made to pay alimony or child support. It would cost me 5X as much as I could earn now (pre-degree) to provide a nurse and childcare for my kids. My plan is to return to school so I can provide for my family (yup on your tax $ Ty!) and in the meantime we will be surviving on welfare beans and rice. No cable, Internet or extracurricular activities for us. My car is a piece of crap and I’m terrified everytime I have to drive my daughter to one of her many appointments or go to the college to work on admissions. I have no family and my church has shunned me for divorcing. YET according to you I don’t DESERVE help, my baby should be left to die and I should drive my children around w/ no way to call for help if my car breaks down. So Mr.HASALLTHEANSWERS, aside from laying down in a gutter to die what do you suggest we do???

deeply discusted
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deeply discusted
September 15, 2011 5:26 pm

Since you came from a hard working family, I thought you would have understood that SOMETIMES, HUMANS (which are not perfect) may need help. I do however agree that the ones that are taking advantage of the system should be punished. I also work hard & do what I have to do to get my bills paid. Unfortunately, some employers (like fast food resturants) say that I “am over qualified” & they won’t hire me. Look man, I just want to work & pay my bills! But, until then I need a little help since my own family are too self centered to help. HA, they wouldn’t even help their own daughter when her house burned! That made me be more giving to people that I know are trying but can’t quite make it. Why can’t others do that?

Olivia
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Olivia
August 23, 2011 5:09 am

I have no problem with private charities. The point being I can give to a private charity when or if I choose too and not have my earnings taken out of my pocket by the government to give to someone I do not care to help.
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So, when it comes right down to it, it’s NOT about convictions that people can and should help themselves. It’s about YOU not wanting to take social responsibility.

Thank you, Whiskey. You’ve perfectly demonstrated what I already knew about so many far righters: that your main motivation is selfishness, rather than any real belief that hard work alone will solve the problem of poverty today. 😉

Olivia
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Olivia
August 23, 2011 5:03 am

My family was poor by any standards but we never asked anyone for anything, we earned our way. I quit school after the 9th grade because our father, who worked like a slave all his life, could not make enough at the time to do more than keep a roof over our head and beans on the table. I went to work at anything I could find, pumping gas or washing dishes, it did not matter as long as I could give mom a little money each week.
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And there are many people today who do the same thing, Whiskey (although today there’d be much more pressure on a young adult to go get his GED, if he wanted to avoid a lifetime of poverty and minimum wage jobs).

Even considering some of the obstacles you overcame in your own life, there are many kids today who don’t have the advantages you had: a two-parent family (with parents who could be counted on to use their kids’ financial contributions wisely), job opportunities available to teenagers (not too much call for dishwashers or gas pumpers these days), and a comparatively lower cost of living back then.

Not to take away from your own hard work, but it’s important to remember that many kids today face bigger obstacles than you did, and, of those who do, few have the maturity and character to overcome them all, without some kind of outside help.

(P.S. I guess it’s never occurred to you that some of us liberals have had to work hard to overcome obstacles, too. I won’t go into detail about mine here, since I don’t think it’s wise to reveal too much personal information, but, like you, I know what it is to be poor. Unlike you, though, I chose not to let my own difficulties allow me to look down at others who have struggled and failed.)

Olivia
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Olivia
August 23, 2011 4:59 am

My family was poor by any standards but we never asked anyone for anything, we earned our way. I quit school after the 9th grade because our father, who worked like a slave all his life, could not make enough at the time to do more than keep a roof over our head and beans on the table. I went to work at anything I could find, pumping gas or washing dishes, it did not matter as long as I could give mom a little money each week.
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And there are many people today who do the same thing, Whiskey (although today there’d be much more pressure on a young adult to go get his GED, if he wanted to avoid a lifetime of poverty and minimum wage jobs).

Even considering some of the obstacles you overcame in your own life, there are many kids today who don’t have the advantages you had: a two-parent family (with parents who could be counted on to use their kids’ financial contributions wisely), job opportunities available to teenagers (not too much call for dishwashers or gas pumpers these days), and a comparatively lower cost of living back then.

Not to take away from your own hard work, but it’s important to remember that many kids today face bigger obstacles than you did, and, of those who do, few have the maturity and character to overcome them all, without some kind of outside help.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
August 17, 2011 10:01 pm

Thanks. I kept trying to post above and answer the pointy headed one, but 404ed it every time. You guys covered everything I wanted to say though.

Jayhawk46
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Jayhawk46
June 24, 2012 6:18 am

Hey, Robert – Why don’t you leave my religion out of this….The fact that Maria’s on welfare has nothing to do with her religion. You assume that because she has a hispanic name, and has children that she’s a Catholic? I’m Catholic (what you call a papist), have six kids (all straight A students) a job and a mortgage. I pay my taxes and donate to my church. To the point, however, I have no problem with Maria having a cell phone, as long as the US taxpayers aren’t being asked to pay for it. If some private foundation wants to take donations from the Limosine Liberals to give cell phones to the poor, I’d say Bully! Good show! The government already has one hand in my wallet, I’m trying to keep the other hand out. Doesn’t help that I live in the Peoples Republic of Illinois…

flashingscotsman
Member
November 22, 2011 8:52 am

I think the bumper sticker was aimed at people who don’t take care of their animals, but it also applies to people. “If you can’t feed ’em, don’t breed ’em”

flashingscotsman
Member
April 23, 2012 9:08 pm

That’s FlashingScotsman being rude to you. Try to keep up.

The American Dream is to make it on your own, to make something of yourself, not to have everything handed to you at the expense of others. I never do or say anything towards denying anyone that dream. People like you who think the dream is to be able to freeload for generations, or come here illegally and live off the working people, make me ill. Is that rude enough for you?

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 29, 2011 10:08 am

No, entitlement queens like you and the OWS crowd are what is wrong with the current state of affairs in this country. It is that simple. Now, go piick up your participation trophy and go home.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
October 29, 2011 9:53 am

Vict just another dung mouth victim

flashingscotsman
Member
April 22, 2012 4:40 pm

Twisted?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 21, 2011 7:54 pm

Not twisted. The 2nd gives us the right to keep and bear arms. We also want the right to keep and spend the money we earn the way we want to.

flashingscotsman
Member
April 21, 2012 9:59 pm

I have yet to cast a vote for Boxer or Pelosi.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
October 21, 2011 10:17 am

Well, before Moonbeam got back into the Governor’s mansion, we were allowed to carry openly, as long as the gun wasn’t loaded. Real useful, huh? Now, in the last couple of weeks, even that right has been taken from us. Rather than move out of the state I was born in, and have loved ever since, I’m part of a number of movements to get Moonbeam recalled. I’m not leaving this beautiful place without a fight.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
September 11, 2011 10:27 am

Apology accepted. But it wasn’t me that elected those hosebags, I swear it.

Olivia
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Olivia
August 14, 2011 6:48 am

Carrying a concealed weapon is a little bit like owning one’s own racecar or dentists’ drill : It might boost your self esteem and make you feel like a big deal, but as a general rule such things are best left to the pros. 😉

RockingHorseGuy
Member
June 18, 2011 9:34 am

Hey, Whiskey. I’m only one man, and I only vote once per election. Unlike some others. So I do what I can to stop the Pelosi/Boxer types, but there’s just too many liberal fools in the big cities for me to have much effect.

And it’s sad, but true. You CAN carry a weapon in the open in CA, as long as it’s not loaded. Kinda defeats the purpose, doesn’t it? And you WILL be harassed by the police for doing it. The legislature is debating making unloaded carry illegal, also. As for getting a CCW, have fun trying. Unless you’re politically connected, it ain’t gonna happen.

I was actually given a limited CCW for two years once, back in the 80’s. There were special circumstances involved. I actually had a known felon threaten my life in front of 6 qualified witnesses. (Anaheim Police Officers) One of them was in the process of cuffing him and putting him in the cruiser, after I had caught him redhanded trying to steal my truck. Without special circumstances, or political connections, you won’t get a CCW in CA.

flashingscotsman
Member
April 18, 2012 8:50 pm

Gun free zones are just safe zones for criminals.

Olivia
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Olivia
August 14, 2011 12:19 pm

You know where most of the crazys shoot people around here? In bars, schools, post offices, courthouses, and various other gooberment buildings.
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Trust Whiskey to lump bars in with government buildings.

CITIZEN
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CITIZEN
April 13, 2012 2:37 pm

So, you are living off taxpayers AND getting a cell phone as well? R U legal?

RobertW
Member
November 22, 2011 1:12 am

maria, better you’d learned proper English in the first place and not belched out a bunch of kids who’d have to depend on the entitlements the dems promise you. You have no pity from me, because you are a prime example of not taking care of yourself and preferring to suck off of those who actually DO something. It’s your own fault for bringing children into this world when you are totally unable to care for them, simply because you’re a papist.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 28, 2011 11:30 pm

Why is it important to tell us you are Latin? I think the disabled part would have been sufficient to make your argument.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
September 8, 2011 7:55 pm

You have my every sympathy. I would also suggest you get assistance from your state’s Disability offices to get a better education, and perhaps you can get a job you can perform with your disability, and make a little more money for yourself and yourchildrren. Education is key to a less physically demanding job.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
July 3, 2011 7:42 am

Did your epilepsy cause your illiteracy?

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
March 23, 2012 11:26 am

http://blogs.smartmoney.com/paydirt/2012/03/23/lost-phones-cost-americans-30-billion-a-year/

Don’t worry, there’s an app, er, government program for that.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
March 22, 2012 3:49 pm

Yes, it was.

flashingscotsman
Member
March 22, 2012 1:17 pm

I’m assuming this was supposed to show up underneath FedUpToYouKnowWhere. Because I certainly agree with her too.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
March 22, 2012 1:02 pm

AMEN TO YOU! YOU HAVE MY ULTIMATE RESPECT!

flashingscotsman
Member
March 7, 2012 12:38 pm

So, when is the government going to take a second job?

drb
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drb
September 2, 2011 3:14 am

In my household, during our leaner years, if we weren’t taking in enough money to pay our bills, we got off our butts and worked a little harder, or took second jobs, to increase our income.

We did that but we also CUT SPENDING. and DID WITHOUT.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
February 27, 2012 9:13 pm

Plus, when you get a post in your email and the link doesn’t take you to the right page, change the last number of the page number to one digit lower, if there is no number, try 35 for now, otherwise, just check out what the last working page number was.

drb
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drb
February 27, 2012 7:43 pm

No gitm, you didn’t screw up this section of the thread…whenever a post gets deleted by the mods it will cause any subsequent posts to do this. So if you don’t reference the post you are respondng to no one really knows to what or to whom you are answering.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
February 27, 2012 7:12 pm

Please don’t tell me I broke this ‘puter too, aarrrgghh, I quit. I haven’t screwed up a post like this since AOL “you’ve got mail”.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
February 27, 2012 7:02 pm

I wander sometimes, can’t always keep up with the play-by-play as much as I’d like(hence my love-hate relationship with the site, I’ll go and just check the headlines and it’s what time now?) For what it’s worth, just from reading your posts , you may say you’re not religious, but you’re a hell of a lot more spiritual, thoughtful and caring than many of the folks I’ve shared a pew with. Until the day I give in to wanderlust and “go west young (hah) man” to do it in person, cheers.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
February 27, 2012 6:33 pm
GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
February 27, 2012 6:32 pm
RobertW
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January 24, 2012 11:41 am

oh, it was childish playfulness.

RobertW
Member
November 5, 2011 6:26 am

actually, it was an accident.
my mom was on the phone at the time. of course that was so much more important because she was arguing with my grandmother about something or other.

“children should be seen and not heard.” that was holy writ when i was coming up.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 22, 2011 6:51 am

Thanks Kick. You’re certainly no slouch in the super smart and witty departments yourself!
BTW, we all need to get together again after the holidays for a beer and bull session.

Does anyone know why this thread keeps 404-ing these posts?
I keep having to insert 33 before the # sign in the link.

will
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will
December 21, 2011 1:39 pm

How ironic.

flashingscotsman
Member
December 21, 2011 1:34 pm

Personally, I’m retired from a career in heavy construction, and now I have two business, both of which have their hours concentrated in the evenings and weekends. Now, take your little virgin mind back into mommy’s basement and think up something else stupid to say.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 21, 2011 1:28 pm

I can only speak for myself. I’m on vacation this week and next. I travel 90 -100 nights a year for work and I always travel with an iPad. I’m always connected and while some people Facebok or Tweet all day, I like coming here. Beats watching TV in a hotel room sitting at the lobby bar. The regulars are fantastic and we have built a nice community. I’m pretty much an open book here (within reason) since I have strong opinions. I am not going to be just another anonymous bomb thrower who does not back up what he says without some personal history.

BTW, a couple of other regulars and I have met in person and I found them to be super smart and witty guys.

will
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will
December 21, 2011 1:13 pm

I’m just trying to illustrate that people like you who sit on your fat ass all day long in an office doesn’t really mean much to me. Aren’t you suppose to be working? Why the **** are you posting on this website during the day.

BTW I’m on lunch break right now.

flashingscotsman
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December 21, 2011 8:17 am

You’re speaking of My Dear Sweet Olivia, I assume? Thirds.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 21, 2011 6:57 am

Because someone needs to straighten out pinheaded morons like you.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 21, 2011 4:25 am

Who are you to demand an explanation for anything?

will
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will
December 20, 2011 11:09 pm

Explain to me why many of the members here post on this website like its a religion…

flashingscotsman
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November 24, 2011 9:43 am

And you took the time to write your drivel. Even more amazing.

RobertW
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November 22, 2011 1:06 am

de sade, apparently you don’t understand the first thing about American editorials. If not for folks like Ben Franklin, etc., who printed the atrocities of GB’s ideology there’d have been no revolution against tyranny. You lol but you’ve proved yourself to be nothing less, nor more, than a tory who deserves to meet your end at the gallows.

You think you’ve made your point in belittling an editorial, when in actuallity all you’ve really done is to draw attention to the stupidity of the leftists. Conservatives dwell on factoids. Conservatives are able to refute feelings. Conservatives could give a damn what you and leftards Like you would consider truth and right. What you don’t seem to understand, or are unwilling to admit, is that an educated populace is the best defense against tyranny and subjugation of Human rights. you would do better as a media appraiser for the left. You’re in short, too stupid, and I say stupid rather than ignorant, too stupid to gain any credence whatsoever. Geo. III could’ve used you in his cabinet, just as kim il jung, or however you wish to spell it, would enjoy your adherence to his failed principles. btw when he dies you can bet his successor will be killing more ppl than he himself has already consigned to death.

in other words, STFU you suck ass bitch.

De Sade
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De Sade
November 22, 2011 12:52 am

It’s just funny to me how so many people are all “oh my goodness how dare the government use our tax dollars in this fashion?!?” as if bitching will change it, and I’m sure the bulk of the taxes we pay go to far worse things, seriously? I mean someone took actual time to write this article, THAT is so amazingly American, lol

drb
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drb
September 10, 2011 1:42 pm

Kick, I don’t think you are a rude @$$hole, at least, not without cause. Not that you need my approval or anything.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
November 16, 2011 6:51 pm

And you, unfortunately, were too.

Trolly McTroll
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Trolly McTroll
November 16, 2011 5:26 pm

You were born.

RockingHorseGuy
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November 7, 2011 2:28 pm

Hey, you gotta have your fancy earrings and shades. If somebody wants to eat ramen to get that, I’m ok with it. I eat Ramen all the time. Toss a raw egg in there while you nuke it, then add some hoisin sauce, a little soy sauce, it’s good stuff.

Me, I bought a bunch of parts on E-Bay, and made a dozen or so antique copper Celtic knot earrings for about $5. Now I’m set for a year or so, since I lose them so often.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
November 5, 2011 6:20 pm

Reminds me of that commercial for auto insurance, where the guy is talking about the young girl who’s on a “Ramen noodle every night budget”.
What strikes me as funny is that this “poor” girl is wearing $200 designer sunglasses and gold hoop earrings.
Priorities are all screwed up.

drb
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drb
November 5, 2011 6:42 am

Yes, yes…I’ve had my share of Ramen, too. In fact I have some in the pantry right now. Dang teenagers are bottomless pits you know!

RockingHorseGuy
Member
November 5, 2011 6:18 am

You gotta throw some Ramen in there with the rice and beans to break up the monotony, drb.

RobertW
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November 4, 2011 7:22 pm

personal, and private humility is much more honorable than sucking after the govt.’s tit. imo

drb
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drb
November 4, 2011 7:09 pm

Cut housing by moving in with other family members, that will also cut power as you share expenses. Food- buy store brands, meat becomes a luxury, and there were many a day in my life where I ate rice and beans (they’re cheap) 3 times a day because it was all I had. Got very sick and tired of it but it kept me alive.

Donna
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Donna
October 21, 2011 5:01 pm

Was there for 6 years raising 3 kids alone. So Stressful I developed Cancer. A body can only live that way so long.

MDLION
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MDLION
November 2, 2011 9:38 pm

RobertW:”my older sisters knocked out my upper fronts with a belt buckle when i was but a lad of 10. and my mom didn’t give a care”

Did your sisters do that out of childishness or meanness? Sorry your Mom didn’t care. Sounds like you might have had it rough. Maybe I was sheltered but it surprises me how rough so many human beings had it as children.

RobertW
Member
November 2, 2011 9:02 pm

Teri. you have such a purty smile…. it worries me though you put it out there like it’s incontrovertible not that there’s anything wrong with that.. but dang……….. if i had a smile like that i reckon i’d be chewin’ the libs to death with them teeth.

unfortunately my older sisters knocked out my upper fronts with a belt buckle when i was but a lad of 10. and my mom didn’t give a care so all i got was some crappy ole plastic yella caps til i got busted in the mouth again from a softball….. it wasnt’ so soft…..

Jango Davis
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Jango Davis
April 1, 2011 6:02 am

What a CCF permit? Does it regulate the glare from your huge mouth?

RockingHorseGuy
Member
March 20, 2011 1:14 pm

I wish I could give you more than one thumbs up, Teri.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver
February 5, 2011 8:25 am

I don’t need no stinking permit. In my state I can carry up front, in the open, without one. As long as it is NOT concealed it is legal. Which is better? A criminal checking you out as a possible victim then seeing a .45 on your hip and thinking “Oh shit! I’ll leave this one alone!”? Or getting his butt shot because he didn’t see your weapon and attacked you?

I just read what I typed and it made me think about something. If a slimeball sees me, and my pistol, then leaves me alone he may go after someone else not as prepared. So, would I be protecting the public better if I had a concealed weapon and let him come for me so I could shoot his ass? Or should I worry about myself and whatever happens right in front of me instead?

butch
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butch
November 2, 2011 7:33 pm

now you can use your free cell phones to call someone with a gun when yer butt is under fire .

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver
February 10, 2011 10:50 pm

Are you that dumb junior? The gun could protect you forever and the free phones will be useless within the next year!

Just kidding! I get your sarcasm and the scary thing is there may be some out there that think you are serious.

virginiab
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virginiab
November 2, 2011 3:00 pm

amen im right there with ya girl!

RockingHorseGuy
Member
September 17, 2011 8:32 am

Who said any of that?

Babydoll102187
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Babydoll102187
September 17, 2011 7:46 am

To SUE:

Your fustration is well seen here. As has been stated here again and again, no one here begrudges those who truly are in need. Free loaders are the problem. I am truly sorry for your difficulties, I know life is hard and almost always unfair. Please remember that just because bad things happen to you it does not mean you are a bad person or did something wrong. Sometimes life just sucks and good people get hurt just as easily as bad people. I will say a prayer for you and I hope this tough time in your life doesnt last for long.

Also here is a link for encouragement;
http://cobblestoneroadministry.org/

I found this during a tough time in my life and I hope this gives you the same kind of quiet peace I have found.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
October 31, 2011 11:07 am

You’re about a moron, aren’t you? Clunker rebate to give money to the rich? Explain how that works. And if you’re going to go around calling people wealthy, I think you might be in the wrong place. The regular posters here are all working people.

gunz
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gunz
October 31, 2011 9:51 am

some people are too rich and too busy blaming it on the poor to notice(as they rake in their windfall profits)

gunz
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gunz
October 31, 2011 9:46 am

why not subsidize snow shovels for the poor since we subsidize 5k rebates from the goverment for new heating systems for the homes of wealthy people and dont forget the ‘clunker”rebate which was totally geared to give welfare to wealthy since people in soup kitchens cant afford a house much less a new heating system or a new suv……….republicans have spent this nation into bankrupcy with their bailouts and scams to get tich from the lower middle class tax payers while at the same time their propaganda blames it all on the poor

Olivia
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Olivia
August 14, 2011 11:55 pm

Should we subsidize snow shovels and toilet brushes? They are necessary too. How about free computers, printers, and paper so the recipient class can exercise their free speech rights? Cars? Let’s give away those too. After all they are necessary for many people. Cellphones don’t even scratch the surface of what people need….sweaters? People need those too.
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The question is: do you want to live in a society or a jungle? Do you want to do whatever’s reasonable to keep this society at maximum productivity, or are you committed to creating (and expanding) a vast underclass of illiterate, unemployed and unemployable poor?

You’re like the home owner who’s too cheap to do basic maintenance on his house…..then b*tches from here to eternity (and blames his neighbors) when it falls into a pile of rubble.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
August 14, 2011 12:57 pm

I should add the comment from Olivia that led to the above post:

Some of you far righters seem to be stuck in a mid-20th century time warp. Owning a basic cell phone is no more “fun” than owning a snow shovel or a toilet brush. It’s simply a convenience, that’s all. You get so eaten up with jealousy at the idea of someone else getting some assistance that you can’t see the situation for what it is.

drb
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drb
October 29, 2011 11:29 am

Oh, he needs to be told.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 29, 2011 10:16 am

Yeah, I’m mulling that one over too. Is Vict claiming to be educated and, therefore, not needing to “be told”?

RobertW
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October 29, 2011 10:14 am

hmm. “People who completed their education generally don’t have to be told.” well, of course not, that means they’re either worm-food or so stuck on themselves they think they know it all.

Vict
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Vict
October 29, 2011 10:05 am

I think the point is that rudeness dilutes the point he is struggling to articulate. People who completed their education generally don’t have to be told. Fuhfred.

Vict
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Vict
October 29, 2011 10:00 am

How does it feel to want? Now go play guns and try not to think about the side of America you and the neo-cons want to deny.

Vict
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Vict
October 29, 2011 9:50 am

“he’s never rude to anyone just for the sake of being rude”? That’s like saying, “He’s not drunk, he always drives like that.” Sorry but Sidekick, Poppajoe and Rockinghorseguy are symptomatic of what this country is becoming, a bunch of ‘hooray for me, to hell with you’ whiners whose vision of America is distorted because the dream doesn’t apply to everyone equally so they try to erase those giving them the reality check.

Vict
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Vict
October 29, 2011 9:37 am

Well I certainly hope that someday you and whoever you lug around behind you on that chrome plated piece of dung you have in your avatar don’t get t-boned by some other heartless swine neo-con and have all your savings eaten up by hospital and doctor bills and have to spend the rest of your lives in bed or a wheel chair so you never have to see how the people you like to piss on have to live off the kindness and largess of others who don’t mind passing some on to the less fortunate. I guess you theory is that because 15 million are unemployed there must be plenty of jobs out there. Were you born heartless or did your parents do that to you?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
September 10, 2011 6:15 pm

Donna-you have not been dealing with Olivia for the last several weeks. Believe me she is just as rude, if not more so than anyone on this board. And aGAIN, YOU DON’T KNOW, SO STAY OUT OF IT!

RockingHorseGuy
Member
October 24, 2011 9:58 pm

Well, you can apply for one in California, but you won’t get it unless you’re politically connected. I had one once, but it was only for two years, and I got it because a known felon threatened my life in front of six police officers. Good move.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
August 15, 2011 11:40 am

Wisconsin is the most recent to put shall issue in the books. If that would have been the case back a few years ago I might still reside there.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
August 15, 2011 9:10 am

Even California allows you to apply. They just won’t allow you to actually GET the permit, unless you are politically connected.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
October 22, 2011 9:18 am

There’s no shortage of libs here on this thread, My Dear Sweet Pointey-Headed Olivia.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
October 22, 2011 9:15 am

It pisses you off, My Dear Sweet Olivia, and that’s enough for me. I’m easy to please.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
September 9, 2011 7:51 am

YOU’RE here, so clearly he reaches more than just “like minded posters.”

RockingHorseGuy
Member
October 21, 2011 8:49 pm

Now it makes you RICH, Kip. You SHOULD thank Obama for making you rich!

Olivia
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Olivia
August 14, 2011 6:51 am

I remember when making $150,000.00 a year was pretty comfortable living. Not so much any more. Thanks Obama!
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What, specifically, did Obama do to keep you from budgeting what is still considered a very good income properly?

Donna
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Donna
October 21, 2011 4:55 pm

Is there a some twisted connection between gun rights and safelink cell phones here????

Sidekick
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Sidekick
September 20, 2011 2:37 am

Cell phones.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
September 15, 2011 8:34 pm

Do you intentionally misspell you screen name? Is it some sort of reference to something?

deeply discusted
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deeply discusted
September 15, 2011 5:34 pm

When you only pay for housing, power, water & food (no frills, no extras) where do you cut or do without?

deeply discusted
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deeply discusted
September 15, 2011 5:33 pm

What hapens when you ONLY pay housing, power, water & food. How do you cut spending or do without?

RockingHorseGuy
Member
September 2, 2011 11:38 am

Garsh, I can even remember some years that I didn’t take a vacation, throw any lavish parties, buy any outrageously expensive clothes, or tour around in multi-million buses.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
September 2, 2011 3:32 am

drb, I guess Olivia thinks that the government should moonlight. Maybe it could get a job as a night clerk in a convenience store….you know, to help out.

KimmyQueen
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September 11, 2011 10:39 am

Sidekick is a gentleman and he is never rude to anyone just for the sake of being rude. I take umbrage at your post. You obviously do not know Sidekick nor have you been around long enough to make an informed, intelligent and appropriate judgement of the situation. You should asked as to the reason for the “rudeness” instead of assuming that he is being an a**hole for not reason. There are only two things that I can think here: Either you are new and are pissed off for some reason and need to calm down, or you are Olivia with yet ANOTHER identity (which is lame and it is not a good look).

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
September 10, 2011 9:34 pm

Donna, you’re new here so you’re forgiven for not knowing better.
Olivia is a nasty, condecending person. Anything she gets, she deserves.

fredfred
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fredfred
September 10, 2011 11:31 am

Wow! You are a smart one there! Sidekick is rude therefore his viewpoint is useless.

Did you take a correspondence course in being smart? could you give me the address so I can be as smart as you? maybees it would help me with capital letters too?

How bouts you come up with something to refute his point.

fredfred
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fredfred
September 10, 2011 11:22 am

WOW! How insightful…..you have clearly demonstrated that Sidekick is rude. This is, of coarse, the point – deflect and stray from the point of the argument by showing decisively that your opponent is rude! This way, you don’t have to come up with any rebuttal! He is rude and therefore…..WRONG!!!!
You are a smartie! How did you get so smart? Did you do correspondence classes?

Sidekick
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Sidekick
September 10, 2011 11:09 am

Donna, you’re a bit late to this thread. So, I suggest you read this thread and others more closely where you see Olivia’s participation. You will have to open her posts because most other commenters here feel that she is a toxic presence and have “thumbed her down” Then, if you stll think I’m an asshole…..I am just fine with that.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
September 10, 2011 2:57 pm

Thanks, drb! I may not need your approval but I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

Donna
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Donna
September 10, 2011 11:00 am

your really are a rude a$$hole!

Donna
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Donna
September 10, 2011 10:56 am

Sidekick, I think your being pretty darn rude to Olivia. Everyone has a right their own opioin with out getting trashed on. By the way I know that you will have something to say to me thats not very nice. But that would just prove what I’m saying. You don’t have to be rude to get your point across:)

Olivia
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Olivia
August 31, 2011 5:19 pm

The thing is Olivia, this country is flat broke, you may have read about that in some left wing blog site (but I doubt it).
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I’ve read it, but not on left wing websites. It’s a favorite myth, though, in right wing propaganda.

If the nation WERE as “flat broke” as you claim, Republicans wouldn’t be trying so hard to cut taxes. It makes no sense to reduce revenue, when you’re “broke,” and facing a big deficit at the same time. 😉

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
September 9, 2011 8:20 am

Chicago, London or Sydney?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
September 9, 2011 8:07 am

I believe he said he was willing to give to the charity of HIS CHOICE! So he is NOT selfish, he just doesn’t want the government making that decision for him! There was recently an arrest in a small town near here-woman was running drugs and weapons out of her home. She was perfectly healthy, according to the report, but had managed to get $1100 monthly in welfare, housing, food stamps, and was on medicaid. THAT is our objection. THAT is a scammer!

RockingHorseGuy
Member
August 23, 2011 10:23 am

Seconds, thirds, and fourths.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
August 23, 2011 5:46 am

You idiot!
It’s about each person choosing which needy person or charity they want to give to, not which one the government tells them they have to.
When I was in the military, we were basically forced to donate to the United Way, which has one of the worst records of money actually getting to the end recipient. I would much rather have donated to a charity I supported and which I know would have gotten more of my donated dollars.
Now, when I donate cash, I donate it only to Veterans organizations, I also donate food to local churches that run their own food banks, and toys to Toys For Tots. These are groups that I know have near zero percent of the donations going to “administrative costs”.
When the government takes your money for the needy, pennies on the dollar get to where it is intended to. It is a huge waste and your defense of it is also a waste.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
September 9, 2011 7:59 am

Please provide evidence that the reduction of legally owned guns has decreased the crime rate? Is New York any safer now that Citizens can’t have guns, only criminals? D.C.? Let’s see THAT proof.

RockingHorseGuy
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August 17, 2011 9:55 pm

Turds. Again.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
August 17, 2011 9:55 pm

Thirds.

Babydoll102187
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Babydoll102187
August 17, 2011 6:35 pm

Olivia, you may want to read a NRA book or pamplet on the subject of gun ownership, it may surprise you.
Also taking a CCW/CPL class is a good way to enlighten one’s perspective on how Law enforcement and LAW abiding citizens can and do work together when it comes to CCW/CPL. The course itself can enlighten one’s perspective on the NRA and what they advocate. Once again, it may surprise you.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
August 17, 2011 9:53 am

Here is some light reading on the subject:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/28/chicago-gun-ban-axed-afte_n_627773.html

From the article: 

Chicago Police Department statistics, we are told, reveal that the City’s handgun murder rate has actually increased since the ban was enacted and that Chicago residents now face one of the highest murder rates in the country and rates of other violent crimes that exceed the average in comparable cities.

Here is a CDC report on the topic, which is inconclusive:  

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm

Harvard’s study:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

This study (on page 653) explicitly states where gun presence is densest, violent crime rates are lowest.  It also states the inverse. 

brianu
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brianu
August 17, 2011 9:22 am
sa_rose
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sa_rose
September 8, 2011 7:58 pm

Copy and paste this post for future reference that you have, indeed, apologized on this site. Might come in handy in the future! :)

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver
June 14, 2011 3:50 pm

Are you saying Californians, American citizens, cannot legally carry a holstered weapon in plain sight? Are you saying American citizens living in the great state of California cannot obtain a CCW permit?

Sorry bubba, I have no sympathy for you. Ya’ll keep electing Nancy P. Loosley and BaaBaa WaaWaa Boxer types to office so you are getting what you voted for.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
September 7, 2011 4:16 pm

Damn technicalities.

JJJRO
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JJJRO
February 10, 2011 3:25 pm

DEAR JJJRO — You SIR are an idiot!! This is about FREE OBAMA CELL PHONES!! Geesh, what a jackwagon.

JJJRO
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JJJRO
February 10, 2011 3:21 pm

We recently had a guns for FREE OBAMA PHONE trade in! I used it to get 5 phones!!

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver
February 10, 2011 8:36 am

The only place it is illegal to carry a weapon in New Mexico is any place that serves or sells alcohol and gooberment buildings like courthouses, schools, post offices and the Capitol building, what we call the RoundOuthouse here.

You know where most of the crazys shoot people around here? In bars, schools, post offices, courthouses, and various other gooberment buildings. So much for uninforcable laws that kooks and criminals pay no attention to anyway.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
September 2, 2011 6:09 am

Not to mention that the Slurpee machine would be emptied every night, and there would be thousands of missing scratch off lottery tickets!

Sidekick
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Sidekick
September 2, 2011 4:37 am

You are right! It would rob the no more than $20 in the safe.

beanhead54
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beanhead54
September 2, 2011 4:34 am

Sk: “Maybe it could get a job as a night clerk in a convenience store….

Nix that idea- They can’t be trusted around money.

drb
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drb
September 2, 2011 3:51 am

No, Kick. Once again she was suggesting an increase in income, with no cuts. Read as the government should increase taxes and not cut her beloved social programs. Of course, I know that you know that, you know? 😉

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
September 1, 2011 9:21 pm

In my household, during our leaner years, if we weren’t taking in enough money to pay our bills, we got off our butts and worked a little harder, or took second jobs, to increase our income.

My goodness! That sounds positively………………….
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CONSERVATIVE!

Sidekick
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Sidekick
September 1, 2011 5:22 pm

Thank you for answering my question. You know nothing about economics or basic accounting. You are one stupid horny bitch.

Olivia
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Olivia
September 1, 2011 5:18 pm

Again, I must ask: do you know anything about economics or basic accounting? In a nutshell we are $14.5 T in debt. Currently, we are taking in $2.2T in revenue but spending $3.5T annually. That is unsustainable.
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Well, golly gee, Kick. In my household, during our leaner years, if we weren’t taking in enough money to pay our bills, we got off our butts and worked a little harder, or took second jobs, to increase our income. We didn’t whine and cry about having to pay bills or inconveniencing ourselves, and we didn’t demand that the difference be made up by our children and elderly relatives, so we could be spared the inconvenience of doing without.

That’s the way REAL economics works. What you clowns keep spouting off about is fake economics, designed to gratify the rich and powerful, while throwing a few bones to the gullible, and doing little to address the deficit.
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BTW, Obama has added $4T to the debt by himself in 2 1/2 years. That is unconscionable. Bush was a profligate spender but BHO truly in a league of his own.
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As I’ve pointed out to you many, many times, it always costs much more, in terms of time and effort, to FIX a disaster, than it does to create the disaster in the first place.

Whoever had succeeded Bush as president would have had the same problem—-and it wouldn’t have gone away, just by pretending it didn’t exist.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
September 1, 2011 5:58 am

Again, I must ask: do you know anything about economics or basic accounting?

In a word, NO, she doesn’t.

RockingHorseGuy
Member
August 31, 2011 7:05 pm

No Crystal, I’m not religious at all. What’s that got to do with the discussion? I just stated above that I give to the charities that I choose to support in the form of work. So since I don’t want money taken from my pocket at gunpoint, and given to people that don’t deserve it, would you assume that I’m not a religious person?

On the other hand, since I DO contribute to charities voluntarily, does that indicate to you that I AM a religious person?

Sidekick
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Sidekick
August 27, 2011 4:43 am

Why don’t you read poppajoe’s post three above yours? Then you can withdraw your veiled insult as you will realize that charity is voluntary and welfare is an expense forced on the tax payer with the threat of punishment if the tax payer withholds payment. Let me guess, Crystal, you either are a tax recipient, an earner who is means tested out of paying any federal tax income whatsoever, or simply someone so uninformed that you don’t think about things like where the government gets its money to give to people?

Sidekick
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Sidekick
August 31, 2011 6:29 pm

Again, I must ask: do you know anything about economics or basic accounting? In a nutshell we are $14.5 T in debt. Currently, we are taking in $2.2T in revenue but spending $3.5T annually. That is unsustainable. If you research it, and it’s not hard to do as charts are available, revenues increase when taxes are lower due to a more active economy. Spending, IMO, is the problem. The entitlements will have to be overhauled and every budget item examined. If you think we are not broke, then you’ll have to really be creative in explaining that unless continuing to print money is your solution.

BTW, Obama has added $4T to the debt by himself in 2 1/2 years. That is unconscionable. Bush was a profligate spender but BHO truly in a league of his own. Again, unsustainable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/washington/09econ.html
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2002/12/tax-cuts-increase-federal-revenues

Many argue that tax cuts don’t pay for themselves but I believe that is misleading when you take into account that government spending constantly increases and outstrips revenues regardless if they are rising or declining.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
August 28, 2011 5:50 am

And when the taxpayers start to wonder why they’re killing themselves to support the underclass, they will put out less effort and become part of the underclass! This will slowly eat away at productivity until all we have left are the underclass and the few rich that survived. The rich will be blamed for it all, “The rich get richer while the poor get poorer” argument that always comes from the left! Unfortunately, they fail to see that they are the cause of this syndrome!

Sidekick
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Sidekick
August 28, 2011 5:36 am

We have said similar things in the past here, poppajoe. Progressives will never make that connection. Willful ignorance, I suppose. Responsibility is for the tax payer only. The tax recipient is free to behave any way he wishes because there are no consequences for the bad decisions. According to the CBO, $16T has been spent on social programs and entitlements since the Great Society was announced. The poverty rate has barely budged and has actually ticked up. You take away work ethic, responsibility, self respect, and dignity and you are left with a permanent underclass that somehow tax payers are responsible for financially.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
August 27, 2011 9:36 pm

charity is voluntary and welfare is an expense forced on the tax payer with the threat of punishment if the tax payer withholds payment.
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Oh, balderdash. That’s merely an overworked script fed you by far right wing political manipulators.

Really? Can you show me where that has been said before?
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The fact is that, if you wish to enjoy the privileges of living in a prosperous and well maintained society, you must do your part to help support it.

You didn’t just go there did you?
Please oh stupid one, show me where the recipient class does their part to support the society. What prosperity do they contribute? How do they maintain it?
The fact is that you only want to allow the prosperous to survive so that they can pay the recipient class to live. Those that pay for nothing have no “skin in the game” and could care less what happens, since it’s not coming out of their pocket, they don’t care to maintain anything. Why do you think the projects in Chicago were such a failure? If you have no reason to care about where you live because it costs you nothing, you will mistreat and destroy it. When you have put your hard earned money into a residence, you take care of it.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
August 27, 2011 5:06 am

Kiss my ass, Olivia. Your repetitive drivel is starting to be….well repetitious. You want to debate me bring a lunch and some facts. You again failed to make one truthful statement. Shocking!

Show me where, in the Constitution, the federal government is empowered to impose the expense of a welfare state on me and not you, a part time nurse. You certainly are generous with other people’s money. Most progressives are. God, you are boring.

The thing is Olivia, this country is flat broke, you may have read about that in some left wing blog site (but I doubt it). Your Great Society has wrecked the finances of this country but losers like you whistle through the graveyard because you and people like are too damn stupid to know any better.

Olivia
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Olivia
August 27, 2011 4:52 am

Why don’t you read poppajoe’s post three above yours? Then you can withdraw your veiled insult as you will realize that charity is voluntary and welfare is an expense forced on the tax payer with the threat of punishment if the tax payer withholds payment.
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Oh, balderdash. That’s merely an overworked script fed you by far right wing political manipulators.

The fact is that, if you wish to enjoy the privileges of living in a prosperous and well maintained society, you must do your part to help support it. It doesn’t magically happen just by waving flags or delivering pep talks.

If you’re unwilling to do this, there are any number of third world countries with weak central governments and few or no social programs, where you could play Wild West to your heart’s content. Of course, that would also mean giving up perks that you take for granted, like clean water, clean air, law enforcement, responsible management of resources, and protection against having to deal with the risks of disease epidemics, starvation and decomposing bodies.

If there’s anything more ridiculous than a teabagger who pretends welfare is some brand new phenomenon that’s been forced on him, it’s one who THINKS he ought to be able to enjoy all the comforts of living in a wealthy, industrialized nation……with none of the responsibilities.

crystal
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crystal
August 26, 2011 10:07 pm

I have been reading all the post tonight and I am curious are you people religious at all?

RockingHorseGuy
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August 23, 2011 10:28 am

Not having a lot of cash to work with, I donate time and work to charities that I support. I use my rocking horses to either generate cash directly at their events, and/or to give rides directly to the kids involved. When charities that I don’t support come around asking for money, I tell them I gave at the office, which means their money has already been deducted from my pay.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
August 18, 2011 5:37 am

RHG, when I get 404’d I look at the address bar and it usually has no page number, like this:

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/cell-phones-for-the-homeless-scam/comment-page-#comment-110762

So I enter page number 28, like this:

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/cell-phones-for-the-homeless-scam/comment-page-28#comment-110762

And it takes me to the post.
Sometimes it has page 29, and doesn’t take me to the post, so I put in 28 and it works.

I don’t know why it does this, but maybe Mr Editor or Admin can tell us. I do suspect that it has something to do with the thread length.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
August 18, 2011 5:10 am

Olivia, you may want to read a NRA book or pamplet on the subject of gun ownership, it may surprise you.

You’re kidding right Babydoll?
Reading would require the opening of the mind to an idea that conflicts with what is written in stone inside a blockhead.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver
August 17, 2011 7:10 pm

I’m going to try this copy/paste thing you like to do so well.
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By the way, how do you feel about private charities giving “handouts” to the poor? ******

I have no problem with private charities. The point being I can give to a private charity when or if I choose too and not have my earnings taken out of my pocket by the government to give to someone I do not care to help.

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Please produce your evidence showing that MORE guns, in the hands of lawful citizens, creates a safer society.****

The last murder in the little town I live near to occured almost 10 years ago. Everyone around here owns guns and the welfare patients, dope heads, the few lowlife types here know it. You touch my stuff, you will get your ass shot. No questions, no excuses, no sorrow, tough shit. You should have kept your hands out of my cookie jar.

******No, that’s not my answer, Mr. Childish Insults. My answer is a question: what do YOU think is the best and most reliable way of preventing a vast underclass of illiterate, unemployed and unemployable poor?******

A reasonable question, a simple answer. NO WELFARE. No free cell phones. No taxpayer funded housing. No subsidized utilitys. NO FREE RIDE FOR ANYONE!

My family was poor by any standards but we never asked anyone for anything, we earned our way. I quit school after the 9th grade because our father, who worked like a slave all his life, could not make enough at the time to do more than keep a roof over our head and beans on the table. I went to work at anything I could find, pumping gas or washing dishes, it did not matter as long as I could give mom a little money each week. All four younger brothers had a chance to get an education and while I might be the dumbest of the bunch I am proud to be able to stand with my parents and say we got it done. The boys have done good for themselves and their families and none of us has ever, ever asked anything from anyone other than the chance to earn our living.

Now, put that in your liberal, do-goody, pipe and smoke it.

Olivia
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Olivia
August 17, 2011 9:17 am

“Do you want to do whatever’s reasonable to keep this society at maximum productivity, or are you committed to creating (and expanding) a vast underclass of illiterate, unemployed and unemployable poor?”

Isn’t that where we are now? How many decades of this grand experiment we call welfare does it take to see that it doesn’t work? Maximum productivity? What in the HELL are you talking about? Illiterate, unemployed, unemployable? What do you think this welfare debacle has produced? Are you really this stupid, my dear, sweet, pointy-headed Olivia?

Answer: Yes.

And I can translate her reply in advance. You mean nasty old conservatives haven’t let the welfare state advance far enough, haven’t allowed it to do enough, to work it’s socialistic magic. It’s all your fault! (Gnarled, crooked witch fingers pointed at us.)
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No, that’s not my answer, Mr. Childish Insults. My answer is a question: what do YOU think is the best and most reliable way of preventing a vast underclass of illiterate, unemployed and unemployable poor?

So far, the only solutions you seem to suggest are bigotry, derision (yeah, like THAT’s going to make a poor person want to be more like you) and sucking up to the rich and powerful.

By the way, how do you feel about private charities giving “handouts” to the poor?

Olivia
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Olivia
August 17, 2011 9:12 am

The numbers don’t lie. More guns, IN THE HANDS OF LAWFUL CITIZENS, creates a safer society.
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Please produce your evidence showing that MORE guns, in the hands of lawful citizens, creates a safer society.

(And try to make it EVIDENCE, not just the usual emotional NRA screed—-assuming you can tell the difference.)

RockingHorseGuy
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August 15, 2011 2:39 pm

The numbers don’t lie. More guns, IN THE HANDS OF LAWFUL CITIZENS, creates a safer society. You can show a liberal the facts, in non-disputable numbers, but it can take decades for them to sink in.

Babydoll102187
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Babydoll102187
August 15, 2011 11:49 am

I believe it goes into effect later this year. Funny how most of the states have changed their laws to favor ccw’s since the 90’s.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
August 15, 2011 6:39 am

Troll reply invariably 404s. So this was another attempt;

Speak for yourself. The participants will have better luck with your sort rather than mine. I dial 911 when security is verified, not before.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
August 15, 2011 6:33 am

To troll – You’re very much ill informed regarding my mob-resistant capacity, you presuming pipe full of feces.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
August 15, 2011 4:24 am

Oh goodie, here comes the “What inflation?” brigade!
What’s the matter Olivia? Can’t think for yourself?
In case you haven’t noticed, the government has convieniently left the prices of food and energy out of the inflation index since Obama has been President.
I can understand this, since nobody “needs” food or energy, it is something they “CHOOSE” to use!
When milk is pushing $4 a gallon at Wal-Mart, you have to have noticed that prices are going up!
Have you had to buy tires lately? Maybe you noticed that the price of those had doubled in the last 3 years.
Do you pay utility bills? Did you happen to see that there is now a fuel surcharge on your electric bill that accounts for about 85% of the bill?
Do not presume to think that we won’t notice all this just because “the one” has said it isn’t so!

Olivia
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Olivia
August 14, 2011 11:52 pm

When the mobs are kicking the doors everywhere 911 doesn’t care!
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“When the mobs are kicking the doors everywhere,” your goose is cooked whether or not you keep a gun in your house, ex-Dean.

Babydoll102187
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Babydoll102187
August 14, 2011 12:34 pm

Oh Olivia, your just mad cause Illinois is the only state in the union now that has a no issue law still, and the rest of the 49 states, excluding the District of Colombia, allow private citizens to appy for CPL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States