Exposing the Safelink Wireless government cell phone for the poor scam

by editor on March 11, 2009

Today we ran the story of Michelle Obama serving risotto at the soup kitchen down the street from the White House. She was surrounded by poor people frantically snapping photos with their cell phones.

If you’re anything like us (and we understand completely if you don’t want to be) you wondered, how can the poor afford cell phones, fancy ones with cameras? The monthly bills on these things can eat you alive. Is there some sort of free government cell phone service we didn’t know about?

Safelink Wireless Free Government Cell Phones

We were tipped off to the Safelink Wireless website. But please be warned that if you visit this site you are likely to walk away pissed off. Here’s what it says:

“SafeLink Wireless is a government supported program 
that provides a free cell phone and airtime each
 month for income-eligible customers.”

free government cell phone from safelink wireless

Hello? Hello? Can anyone hear us complaining about this outrageous abuse?

“Lifeline Assistance is part of a program that was created by the government to provide discounted or free telephone service to income-eligible consumers. To help bring you this important benefit, SafeLink Wireless is proud to offer Lifeline Service. Through our Lifeline Service you will receive FREE cellular service, a FREE cell phone, and FREE Minutes every month! SafeLink Wireless Service does not cost anything – there are no contracts, no recurring fees and no monthly charges.”

“Any Minutes you do not use will roll-over. Features such as caller ID, call waiting and voicemail are all also included with your service. If you need additional Minutes, you can buy TracFone Airtime Cards at any TracFone retailer Walmart, Walgreens, Family Dollar, etc). SafeLink Airtime Cards will be available soon.”

“Your exact benefits, including the number of free Minutes you will receive, depend on the state you live in.”

Free cell phone from Safelink Wireless: how to qualify

“The process to qualify for Lifeline Service depends on the State you live in. In general, you may qualify if…

  1. You already participate in other State or Federal assistance program such as Federal Public Housing Assistance, Food Stamps and Medicaid. OR
  2. Your total household income is at or below 135% of the poverty guidelines set by your State and/or the Federal Government. AND
  3. No one in your household currently receives Lifeline Service through another phone carrier.
  4. You have a valid United States Postal Address. In order for us to ship you your free phone you must live at a residence that can receive mail from the US Post Office. Sorry, but P.O. Boxes cannot be accepted.

In addition to meeting the guidelines above you will also be required to provide proof of your participation in an assistance program, or proof of your income level.

Un-freakin-believable. Outrageous. Shocking.

The way we read it, this Safelink Wireless program gives you a free cell phone, free monthly service, and free minutes. You qualify even if you make 35% more than the designated “poverty” level or if you’re already getting additional freebies from the government. And we see nothing that indicates you have to be a legal resident of the United States to qualify.

The site is also available in Spanish, leading to the not-too-unreasonable conclusion that a significant percentage of the free cell phones applicants conceivably could be, may be, might be undocumented aliens.

And, for God’s sake, we don’t even want to know how many of those filling out a Safelink application are currently stiffing a bank on a mortgage they never really qualified for in the first place.

We think we’re going to have a stroke. Would someone please call 911 on their free cell phone?

Note: Now Assurance Wireless (Virgin) and ReachOut Wireless (Nexus) are in the game. They plus other minor players account for 8 million government phones in circulation.

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twinkie1cat
Guest

Greedy Republican (oxymoron?) pretend Christians are always screaming about anyone else gettng a hand up (not a hand out). That is right after they force unwanted babies to be born but then won’t provide what they need to have a decent life. Then they go to their megachurches to get their ears tickled by a prosperity gospelist huckster who pretends to be a man of God so they can give the appearance of spirituality and donate a few used clothes and some green beans to the poor so they can feel like they have done their duty. A lot of people need their benefits and most of these Republicans are only a couple paychecks away from their free cell phone. Want someone to get a job? Fat chance if they don’t have phone service. And the free phones do not usually have cameras. Wish they did. America will not be blessed by God until the conservatives come to repentance and walk the walk of Jesus. Conservatives have got to start taking responsibililty for the mess they got America into.

poppajoe49
Member

Yet another brain dead, Obamabot Zombie.

Editor
Guest

To paraphrase your comment, “America will not be blessed by God until deadbeats get free cell phones.” I’m sure I speak for every IHTM reader when I thank you for letting us know what God wants. We already knew, of course, what the deadbeats wanted.

poppajoe49
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jcrowley1985
Member

Great examples of this country protecting corporate freedom while screwing the middle class.

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jcrowley1985
Member

Totally called that. Surprise, surprise….

flashingscotsman
Member

Third. TD,………..MO.

poppajoe49
Member

It must suck to be john. Even Ghandi can’t defend him.

CO2Insanity
Admin

Talk about a gospelist huckster! You bitch about preachers then preach what God wants. Talk about an oxymoron it’s you! Emphasis on moron.

KimmyQueen
Guest

“Greedy Republican (oxymoron?)” Not a Republican, but I don’t believe so. After all Democrats and liberals can also be greedy. It is called human condition or humanity. Humans can and are greedy, just by being humans. Think of the last time you wanted something very badly and did not want to work for it and wanted it handed to you. Was it last night? IN any case that is greed, congrats you are a human being. Your statement right there tells me that you are a moron human being. Let’s continue.

“…pretend Christians” You know this how? Are you even a Christian to begin with? If you aren’t you have no idea what you are talking about so you should be silent. If you are a Christian you should know that even though you may disagree with people, your generalization that a person who is a Republican or Conservative is not a Christian JUST because they are Republican or Conservative is a misjudgement and it is wrong to do that. Even though I do believe that liberalism is crazy, I can admit that not all liberals are idiots NOR do I undermine the religious veracity of a liberals JUST because he or she is a liberal. I draw a line, after all a person can have liberals ideas but be a earnest Christian overall. You got problems. Let’s move on.

“… are always screaming about anyone else gettng a hand up (not a hand out).” Generalizations like that come from an ignorant person. There has been great people in the Republican party who did a lot for civil rights and other issues of helping the poor in this country. You have no idea what you are talking about. In the eyes of many people, true charity is making sure that a person can take care of themselves, beyond the initial help to get them out of the necessity they were in.

“That is right after they force unwanted babies to be born but then won’t provide what they need to have a decent life.” Excuse me, no one forces anyone else to have “unwanted” babies. Are you crazy? This is the reason there are orphanages, churches, temples, orgazinations and family members. A woman can CHOSE to provide the child an opportunity at life just like she had an opportunity at life even if she chooses not to raise the child herself. With that said, abortion is after all legal and the women that have it cannot say that they were forced to keep the child can they? What a stupid thing to post. Overall, everyone has the same opportunities at life, even if they start from a lower position than others. We have vast examples of this through out history. A woman who decides to abort is playing G-d. She is doing so as she doesn’t know the life that the child will have, she is robbing the child of opportunities in life. However like I said, no one is forcing anyone to keep an unwanted pregnancies. It is not anyone else’s responsibilities to provide cradle to grave help to a human being. A human being can work as hard as he or she wants in order to have the life that he or she wants. This entire statement of yours is stupid.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Then they go to their megachurches to get their ears tickled by a prosperity gospelist huckster who pretends to be a man of God so they can give the appearance of spirituality and donate a few used clothes and some green beans to the poor so they can feel like they have done their duty.” LOL Hilarious more generalzations from the ignorant mind. With that said, the SAME can be said of people like you. Who believe that given money (taxes) to their megachurches (the big government) will allay their responsibilities to the individuals. However donating to a church for charity help even if it is the minimal is VASTLY better than the government taking money pretending to help the poor but it does not and there is no one to keep the govt accountable.

“A lot of people need their benefits and most of these Republicans are only a couple paychecks away from their free cell phone.” Difference is when people pay into their benefits or work for their benefits. That is better than getting benefits that wasn’t paid into or they are not working for, or that they want to have without a time limit. The second statement made absoliutely no sense to me.

“Want someone to get a job? Fat chance if they don’t have phone service.” Lie. You can always get a friend or a family member to field phone calls and people can get emails fro free and go tothe library or a friend or school to read emails. There are work areas that help you get jobs and they can field these calls for you. It can be done. YOu don’t NEED a cell, but iti s good if you can have it AND there are very many inexpensive companies that can help like Boost.

“And the free phones do not usually have cameras.” So what? They are not free, I am pying for it, unwillingly and if I and others decided to stop paying taxes that go towards that, everyeone is in trouble. “Wish they did.” Really? Why? Are cameras ALSO important in getting a job? This is a perfect example of greed on your part. Are you a republican?

“America will not be blessed by God until the conservatives come to repentance and walk the walk of Jesus. Conservatives have got to start taking responsibililty for the mess they got America into.” Excuse me, first of all Liberals have to pay their fair share (as per Obama) in taking responsibilities for messes done by everyone. As for G-d not blessing this country until only conservatives come to repentace… you are seriously stupid. Your condemenation is that of a person that is both ignorant and weak. IF you do not see the problems done by liberals througout the years you are not a person that seeing life in truth and therefore you have no backbone to make that misjudgement. Be careful.

flashingscotsman
Member

Ummm, never been to a MegaChurch, or any other kind of church, for that matter. And I don’t believe that my religion is any better than Christianity, it’s just the one that works for me.

KimmyQueen
Guest

I am thinking you meant this to be a response to the other lady.

flashingscotsman
Member

Yes.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Alrighty then!

KimmyQueen
Guest

Who gave you a thumbs down? That is so lame! It must be a hater of yours Flash.

poppajoe49
Member

It was an accident!

KimmyQueen
Guest

LOL. I was just saying to myself all that he said was yes! LOL

poppajoe49
Member

The problem seems to be when I use a stylus with my Kindle Fire.
The screen will sometimes jump when it finishes loading the page, and I hit the wrong thumb.

jcrowley1985
Member

Explains a lot that you’d rather spend your money on overhyped overpriced tablets and other such novelty gadgets rather then care at all about what those very same corporations who sell them to you are doing to your country.

I know it’s your money and your free to spend it as you wish, but just thought I’d point out what a pawn you are to corporate marketing and control.

Keep Occupying!

KimmyQueen
Guest

Stuff happens. It is all good!

poppajoe49
Member

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jcrowley1985
Member

Only they’re too busy protecting corporate freedom, not the freedom of the working class.

Keep Occupying!

flashingscotsman
Member

An honest man. And here I was feeling all good because I had upset a liberal by saying yes.

poppajoe49
Member

Sorry to burst your bubble there Flash!

flashingscotsman
Member

It’s ok. I’ll walk down the street and get an ice cream to make myself feel better.

carla
Guest

I lost my job a year ago. My husband lost his six months before I did. Our house was then found to have black mold growing in the basement, and the health department condemned it, meaning we had to move out of it. I have two Master’s degrees; my husband is a 30 year veteran of the army–we are NOT freeloaders. But when we found out about this program, it was a lifesaver for us. Want to condemn everyone who has taken advantage of a program like this, which I feel I’ve already PAID into as a tax payer? You can bet I’m gonna use that free cell phone! I’d love to add on about walking in someone else’s shoes blah blah blah–but that’s pointless. I am glad this program exists, as without it? We would have an even more difficult time getting back on our feet.

poppajoe49
Member

I know what you’re talking about. My wife worked in the mortgage industry and I have a construction business.
She lost her job 3-1/2 years ago. She found another job making 40 thousand a year LESS than what she was making, I had to reinvent my business to eke out a living, because nobody was building houses anymore. Now, we are making a living because we changed gears on our career paths, and did what we had to in order to survive. The thing is, we still haven’t taken anything from the government. We suffered through some real tough times, but made hard decisions and cut back on our lifestyle to make ends meet.

flashingscotsman
Member

Carla, if you’ll just read the majority of comments here, you’ll see that we DON’T want to condemn everyone who takes advantage of the offer. Only those taking advantage of the system.

nayomie godfrey
Guest

I HAD A SAFELINK PHONE AND MY GRANDSON TORE IT UP WHEN HE FLUSHED IT DOWN THE TOLIET AND IT HAD MANY MINUTES ON IT COULD YOU PLEASE HELP ME GET ANOTHER ONE I NEED IT BAD AS WE LIVE IN COUNTRY AND MY DAD IS VERY VERY SICK AND WE CANT AFFORD A REGULAR CELL PHONE YOUR HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED….

poppajoe49
Member

1. You’re on a political blog, not the Safelink website.
2. If you can’t afford a cell phone and live in the country, where you probably have lousy reciption, you should get a land line instead. By the way, you can get a land line through this program instead of a cell phone.
3. Good luck.

jcrowley1985
Member

A cell phone is probably cheaper then landlines nowadays. But regardless of which he chooses to get, I’m sure there will still be plenty of government money for your corporate buddies to split between themselves. No need to worry about giving it to those who need it.

poppajoe49
Member

Reading and comprehension. Once again you fail.

Juan Martinez
Guest

I luve this contry… yu can use anodher persons birth certificate to get free cell fones free money free food stapms free medicall and the green-goes pay for it.

Single Mother
Guest

You need to stop complaining! I am a single mother of 2 who works 3 jobs! I am making my contributions to the ‘taxpayers money’ and if the government is helping out those struggeling… GOD BLESS THEM! You really need to find something important to spend your time on and be GREATFUL for the many blessing you have. Some people struggle with making ends meet NOT just because of their nationality but because life happens! Yes, I agree that there are people out ther who totally take advantage of government programs, but DO NOT forget about the ones who are honest working people and just need a little help sometimes! Be careful in your complaints…. God has a way of making people understand and be compassionate for others situations.

tgeer
Guest

“how can the poor afford cell phones, fancy ones with cameras? The monthly bills on these things can eat you alive.”

THIS is where your article went wrong. Pretty much every cell phone comes with a camera, it doesn’t matter what model you get or how expensive it is. The cell phones that are in this program usually retail for around $20, if not lower. They are usually ones that the maker no longer makes or supports. You do not get a choice in what model is sent to you.

As for the cell phone bills, it seems that you have no idea what is available out there. Check out the cost of minutes on Tracfone, Net1, Straight Talk and others.

Here is a website that tells you about them –
http://www.prepaidreviews.com/compare/

You might be surprised at how inexpensive prepaid cell phone service, as well as the phones offered, is.

Bill Buechner
Guest

Free Cellphone for the disabled…LOL!!!!! Free if your already a welfare recipient! And Yes, my wife is totally disabled due to muscular dystrophy. She can still drive, but if she had an emergency, like a flat tire, she couldn’t fix it. It would be nice for her to be able to call someone on a free phone, but because I work for a living and don’t recieve any welfare entitlements, we don’t qualify. I have to cut from other areas in our budget, like food, gas, clothing to pay for her phone. Oh…and I get to pay taxes so other illegals and lazy asses who are perfectly able to work can have their Free phone, along with their medical,home,foodstamps,daycare…..yeah…I love Uncle O’s Social Justice program.

poppajoe49
Member

I used to date a girl that had Myotonic dystrophy. She always lamented that she would never have kids because it was heredetary, and she would never want to pass it on. That particular type affected women much more than men. Her mother had it also.
Good luck with your wife and your life. It’s nice to have another person join us here that isn’t a whiner!

flashingscotsman
Member

And that understands what we’re saying about the phones going to the undeserving, while people who really need a hand can’t get any help. The best of luck to you, sir. I believe there are programs where people in need can get used phones from real charities, without minutes, but that are able to dial 911 in an emergency.

tgeer
Guest

Uncle O? Are you talking about President Obama? This program has been going on for years. It started in the Bush Administration.

tgeer
Guest

Does your wife receive SS or SSDI? If so, she is eligible for this program. Go to SafeLink Wireless and fill out the application.

flashingscotsman
Member

Try reading his post. He works, therefore they do not qualify for any assistance. Working people only qualify to give their money to others, not to receive any.

sermax
Guest

I know for a fact the applicant must have a valid Social Security Number just to start the application and an address that qualifies also. About 47% of americans recieve some sort of government assistance. If your Mother lived outside of town and did not have a home phone and she got SSI would you deny her the peace of mind to have a free phone for emergencies. That is what this program is really for but as we all know people abuse all free programs.

angela
Guest

Yeah, I suppose since I’m a struggling single mother I don’t really deserve a phone! Jeez. And BTW they send the most basic cell there is with only 125 minutes. But you are able to purchase an upgrade if you feel like it.

jcrowley1985
Member

You’re out of luck there I’m afraid. Mr. Sidekick and company would rather give their tax money to corporate America who would in turn give it as bonuses to executives so they can have their 30 room mansions and 5 yaughts.

poppajoe49
Member

At least they can spell yacht!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

olblovia’s getting really stupid with this character she’s pretending to be here. Yaughts? What a fakking puetz!

jcrowley1985
Member

You’re really going to call me out on spelling errors? That’s your best argument.

If it’s all you’ve got……

PsychoDad
Guest

Depends. There’s spelling errors, and there’s spelling errors. There’s the kind from when you’re just typing too fast or have a damn keyboard that feels like the keys tap into hot fudge underneath, like this piece of crap I’m on, and there’s the kind that come from being a half-literate bonehead who is so stupid he doesn’t even know how stupid he is.

Yeah. Learn to speak basic English, then come back and tell us how smart you are.

poppajoe49
Member

I generally don’t pick on people for spelling errors, but self professed college grads that think they’re smarter than the rest of us deserve special attention.

drb
Member

especially if he boasted about having an IQ of 170…

jcrowley1985
Member

I never mentioned my IQ, nor did I brag about being a college grad….

What’s this gotta do with the topic anyway?

drb
Member

I might have gotten you confused with continue/conservative republican on that one.

poppajoe49
Member

BULLSHIT!
You complain all the time about a useless college degree!
Are we supposed to believe you are upset about a useless degree that you don’t hold?

ENTellectual
Guest

Deal with it or do something about it. It’s your own government, nothing is stopping you. Nice WordPress, by the way. Just the right amount of butthurt.

Mark Warner
Guest

Those of you who have a job, a home and a vehicle to drive need to stop whining about tax dollars that go to those in need and start having a fit over the ultra wealthy politicanS who are parasites on your tax dollar. Homeless need phones in order to recieve calls from potential employees and to correspond with family who still love them but cannot afford to help them.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

You NEED to read the actual comments from those here that have a home, vehicle a job – or not – before presuming to know what they NEED to do. We’re not pist about the people that are in need, its the schmucks that scam the system. Read these 4,000 comments before prescribing the needs, dick.

poppajoe49
Member

Mark, you’re in the wrong place, you need to go here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
or here:
http://www.mediamatters.org
and find someone who gives a shit what you think.

PsychoDad
Guest

Haha, then leftards say they’re the ones making rational arguments! “Wah boo hoo hoo you old meanie!” That’s all this fukwad just said.

Michelle K Sowards
Guest

Man, I had to go re-read that again to make sure that I wasn’t getting the whole picture wrong from this guy who wrote the article. But again he is just wrong on so many levels…first, Who is we, does he have a turd in his pocket? and second the poverty level in the state of Washington is 150%, so where does he get that 35% thing???.Last but not least, the racial issue he had with the Spanish thing…Well since apparently Mr. Thing has never had to use his beloved governments freebies as he calls them, he would know that you fill out mounds of paper work to get those so called “freebies” and usually your first born. So if some undocumented Mexicans or Russians or whoever got through unnoticed, it was because they has someone who could manufacture fake papers well. What a class A idiot!

Sidekick
Member

I don’t believe that the poverty rate is 150% in the state of Washington. That diminishes the rest of your post where you call another a “class A idiot”.

flashingscotsman
Member

Another brain surgeon.

poppajoe49
Member

Brain sturgeon.

For the poverty level to be 150%, every living person in the state would have to be below the poverty level, and then at least 1/2 of the dead people, otherwise knows as Obama voters/Chicago voters.
Therefore, it is possible that the polling is correct. 😉

PsychoDad
Guest

I didn’t understand a word of that….

What is “The poverty rate is 150%” supposed to mean?

drb
Member

It means she is pulling shit out of her arse.

jcrowley1985
Member

Typically 150% is 50% more then what the original value was; ie 150% of 100 is 150.

If you’re going to call me out on spelling, I’ll call you out on math.

drb
Member

No, John. She posted:

“the poverty level in the state of Washington is 150%”

She did not say that there has been an INCREASE of 150% in the poverty levels in Washington state.

SO there is nothing wrong with our math or with our comprehension.

Sidekick
Member

Ha! Three minutes apart pouncing on that post of pure stupid.

drb
Member

So, where u b today? Back Home?

Sidekick
Member

I am home. Witnessed a near air rage incident in Atlanta. Woman refused to get off the plane when she came on w/o a valid boarding pass. I was in the front row and witnessed the whole show. She is now likely in the hands of federal employees.

jcrowley1985
Member

Knowing your respect for federal employees, you probably sided with her.

drb
Member

What an imagination you have.

drb
Member

I bet you see all sorts of things as you travel about.

Sidekick
Member

I do but not usually in the airports or on planes. People seemed to have learned that it is counterproductive to act out in those places in the post 9/11 world.

jcrowley1985
Member

wouldn’t want to end up in the Ministry of Love, now would they?

flashingscotsman
Member

TD,……..MO.

jcrowley1985
Member

you mean “pure stupidity”

drb
Member

As long as you own it. 😉

poppajoe49
Member

His ownership is a given.

drb
Member

nor did she say that the poverty levels are now 150% of the original levels.

Sidekick
Member

Typically 150% is 50% more then what the original value was; ie 150% of 100 is 150.

If you’re going to call me out on spelling, I’ll call you out on math.

You just made a fool out of yourself again. BTW, I’m giving you a pass. I know you can’t count past the 99%.

Michelle K Sowards
Guest

God, forbid you never become one of the poor or disabled who live under the poverty level, I am a hospice nurse who has become disabled and while waiting for our great government to disburse my social security that I paid my big salary into….My life savings and retirement was depleted on medical and living expenses. So you long winded air bag, you will get what you deserve in the end, you probably are spitting and sputtering about the rich paying more taxes than the poor. Shame on you, try doing something nice and not expecting something in return….like being humane to human kind.

PsychoDad
Guest

Wouldn’t it be nice if you had been able to keep that money that you gave The Government, and kept it sitting in a tax-protected account for all this time?

flashingscotsman
Member

I worked it out one time. I’d be rich.

poppajoe49
Member

We all would.

Sully
Guest

Only Corporations and CEO’s Should get Billions in Tax breaks, and Free Money from the Government, I understand your mad that you pay 3 times what your phone plan is worth because your conservative overseers deregulated and let a 3company Triopoly take over the wireless industry, because you vote for these idiots like your preacher tells you, they’re rammin it up your backside unlubed, thats all fine, wanna rob the country blind and give the entire treasury away to business that moved you widget makin job from west virginia to china where even poorer even more imbred people will do it for half the price, thats great as long as the politicians robbin us are against abortion. Lets ignore the companies robbin us for billions and worry about the real problem, a black person gettin a free $10 phone.

jcrowley1985
Member

for what my endorsement is worth; not much apparently if you’ve been keeping up on my posts on this thread; this is the most sensible post yet.

Glad some people see the big problem

Sidekick
Member

He’s as factually challenged as you are. No wonder you like the post.

perlcat
Member

Somebody skipped their meds again!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Ye gadsicles, man. Where does oblofish come up with these names an IP addresses?

perlcat
Member

She posts from Wal-Marts and McDonalds. Seeing ordinary people helps her keep the h8 on.

k3nne3dy91
Guest

Its such a shame to see complete strangers talking to each other with such hate. You dont know anyone so how can you truly judge? I hope everyone finds some sort of happiness because there seems to be a lot of hate here.

flashingscotsman
Member

Yes, the whiners hate the people that pay their bills for them.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Here? The name of the site is “I HATE THE MEDIA” so what might you have expected, a bunch of peace, love doves?

There are some people that come in here – like this moron john – that keep poking and jabbing and getting punked like the losers they are.

For the most part, the bunch here keeps it clean and calm, until prodded. There are some barbed mauls swinging on occasion so its best to keep your head low after tossing a insult bomb. Some of these people are downright mean when pist upon. True judge? Call somebody a name due to your perception and get what you ask for.

We’re mostly here to yak about the media and its manipulations, lies and just plain crappy treatment of the truth.

jcrowley1985
Member

You call me a moron but just look at the last line in your post. You too believe that we are being manipulated though you refuse to believe it could be your ever so trustworthy corporations.

And “crappy treatment of the truth”. Try “hiding any posts you don’t agree with”. This forum is just as biased as any mainstream news outlet.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Piss off sphincter top.

jcrowley1985
Member

You know this thread would be boring without me.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

This thread is so old and worn it shouldn’t even be active! Your non-stop BS here is not only misplaced and wrong, it is tiresome and utterly pointless. Hate for big corporations and rich people doesn’t put any favorable glow to you, it only serves to point out that you’re a loser now and you are prone to grumble about how somebody else is the reason you’re stuck in a bag of crap.

jcrowley1985
Member

I just find it ironic how a site titles “i hate the media” is more in line with the ideas of mainstream media outlets then is for them. I bet you get all your news about the Occupy movement from Fox News which explains your misguided thoughts about its motives.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

You’re absolutely incorrect. I watch local news channels in the morning to get the weather forecast and traffic info. I do not watch fox or any of the dnc channels. You lose the bet. Do you know the difference between then and than?

Sidekick
Member

Correct me if I’m wrong but are not the Dems in office very quickly distancing themselves from the Occupy crowd? They are leaderless, pointless, and lawless. Aside from that, they are a really effective political force.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

That’s a chuckle. You can rest assured I’ll correct you, but I ain’t holding my breath for you to err! Heck, I’m not even gonna wait. Sure, you, wrong. Pope is a Buddhist.

jcrowley1985
Member

On the contrary, the Occupy group was never officially endorsed by any party. It’s a working class vs corporate struggle rather then separating the country into Republicans and Democrats which is what those in charge want us to do. Divide and conquer, that’s what they want.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Really? Don’t bother explaing these then – http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-occupy-wall-street-we-are-their-side_598251.html and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH99q2CRNZg
and
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/dnc-chair-says-she-admires-communist-party-backed-occupy-wall-street
Endorsed officially? Sure. No. Yes. Why not? Why? Maybe. Tea party is a memberless non-organization.
Now then. Rather than.

Sidekick
Member

“It’s a working class vs corporate struggle rather then separating the country into Republicans and Democrats which is what those in charge want us to do. Divide and conquer, that’s what they want.”

So was the Russian Revolution, how’d that work out? You Marxists just kill me with your incredible naïveté.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

oh sheltzer. Now we gone n dun it. Got Ed involved again.

poppajoe49
Member

LOL @ Editor!
You just couldn’t resist this time, could you?
I don’t blame you. Every time I try to ignore john, I find myself typing again because I can’t avoid replying to stupidity. I have this need to educate the misguided.

poppajoe49
Member

That’s why I’m still here!

Not so silent
Member

Yea like life without roids. That’s how boring this place would be without you john. Here’s how important you are to me, put your hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, see how big a hole it leaves..Make sure you don’t drop your free gooberment cell phone in the water, those of us that work for a living don’t want to buy you another one.

Keith
Guest

You people need to stop complaining and get back to work. Someone needs to pay for me phone.

poppajoe49
Member

Yea, right! I need to get back to work so I can pay for my phone, your phone, and John’s phone. LOL

jcrowley1985
Member

And the multi country vacations and new corvettes for telecom executives. Don’t forget them.

poppajoe49
Member

john, don’t forget the whiney whine percenters like yourself that are living off the dole and mom and dad, while complaining that your degree in lesbian animal husbandry didn’t pay off with the 7 figure salary you were hoping for.

jcrowley1985
Member

What with all the college students getting suckered into useless degrees by corporate run universities, you’d be surprised how much competition is in fields like your example.

poppajoe49
Member

All you smart college pukes should be wise enough to pick your own major. If you let anyone else sway your decision, you have nobody but yourself to blame.
Quit bitching because you were too lazy to major in something that required actual study and effort.

jcrowley1985
Member

Just like how any minimum wage mcdonalds employee a few years ago should have been wise enough not to let banks sway them into taking out a 300k loan for a house they obviously couldn’t afford but did anyway. And it wasn’t just minimum wage people who were trying to buy their first house. People who already owned their own house just HAD to have one with 2 more bedrooms and 10 acre backyard.

poppajoe49
Member

No, that would be the Clinton admin forcing the mortgage companies and banks to make loans to unqualified borrowers.

jcrowley1985
Member

The housing bubble didn’t start to cause problems until at least the second half of the Bush administration. You can’t blame everything on the Democrats you know….

FormerlyDeanH
Guest
jcrowley1985
Member

Yet he still bailed out multi billion dollar banks, but would fuck over working class citizens at a heartbeat to please his corporate backers that he’s in bed with. Yes, I’m talking about Bush and not Obama; though they were equally horrible presidents.

poppajoe49
Member

You really haven’t been paying attention john.
The lending regulations that were instituted by Carter were greatly expanded by Clinton.
His expansion forced lenders to give loans to people that would never qualify before these regulations were shoved down the banking industries throats.
If you had been paying attention to this discussion on another thread a while back, you would know that my wife was in the mortgage business for over 25 years and complained constantly about the government forcing her company to give these poor credit risks loans.
There were people coming to the closing table that couldn’t write a check for $500 for closing costs, but were getting $250k+ loans!
The bankers didn’t want to give the loans because they knew these people would end up defaulting, but the Fed kept forcing them to.
Now, all these banks are sitting on properties that they have to pay fees to process foreclosure paperwork on, they have to pay someone to maintain the lawns and exteriors of the buildings or face fines from local code enforcement, and they have to keep making repairs to broken windows, kicked in doors, etc, thanks to vagrants that see these houses as a free place to live. In the meantime, the banks have to pay the taxes on these properties, but aren’t getting any mortgage payments to cover the expenses. They are out hundreds of thousands of dollars that they loaned under duress, and they are selling the homes for pennies on the dollar just so they can recoup something from this disaster.
You and the rest of the whiney whine percent have some delusion that the banks are making money on this, well you’re more stupid than the laws that required these loans to be made.
My wife in the meantime, lost a good paying job in mortgages and is making barely above minimum wage, where she used to make 3x what she is making now. We are struggling with our own finances as a result, but you and your kind expect us to pay for your cell phones, ebt cards, rent, utilities, and pay the increased prices that would result from companies paying their employees what you think is a fair wage.
Let me tell you something, go out there and work your way up the ladder like the rest of us did! Nobody gets to start at the top making the kind of money you think you should get. When I started working, minimum wage was $2/hr, and I was glad to get it! Stop the bullshit with your “I’m entitled to X amount of dollars per hour” and work hard. Then you might build yourself up to what you think you deserve, but I’ll give you a hint, you’ll never make what you think you should, nobody ever does.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Attention is just one more thing he cannot pay, since the evil corporations won’t give him a job! Lesbian animal husbandry is not a growth market, contrary to what the instructors teach the lemmings.

jcrowley1985
Member

The banks were bailed out in the billions so they didn’t lose out. And frankly they would rather let houses sit empty and fall into disrepair then allow someone to live there if they are not making money off the deal. They’re killing this country and you’re letting them.

poppajoe49
Member

And you’re a bigger idiot than I give you credit for!
The banks want those houses off their books at any price. If they can sell them, regardless of loss, they will have more capital and less debt on their books. It does them no good to hold on to them when they cost them money every day they hold them.
The guy across the street from me was in foreclosure and the bank accepted a short sale of $35k for a $135k house. They lost money on the deal, but aren’t paying taxes and maintenance on a house that isn’t making them money.

jcrowley1985
Member

Ever hear of fractional lending. Essencially, it is the bank lending money that they don’t really have simply put. I believe per federal regulations they are allowed to lend 10 dollars for every 1 dollar of real capital they have. They don’t lose money because they are merely lending out on other people’s money who invest with them. Which wouldn’t be bad if it was 1 to 1 ratio, but it’s not they are lending out 10 times as much as they take in on the promise that everyone pays back their loans it was like it was never lended out.

Using your example, they would have to sell that 135k mortgaged house for under 13.5k to actually lose their own money.

Not only is this a major cause of inflation (digital fake money) but it frees the bank of most liability for bad loans.

drb
Member

Somebody has been watching the Zietgeist Movement/Venus Project again.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

wackjob!

jcrowley1985
Member

Thanks for backing me up with sources drb. Specifically, I found out from the “money as debt” documentary, but I guess your examples say the same thing.

flashingscotsman
Member

Thirds.

What John has not yet learned, and probably never will, with his IQ being so low, is that a banker NEVER makes even the smallest decision without having to concern himself with Federal regulations. Every move he makes is regulated. Banking is the most heavily regulated industry in the country, and if banks wrote loans to people that were not qualified to pay those loans back, it was because government forced them to do it.

jcrowley1985
Member

That’s why banks have powerful lobbyists to convince congress to make more lenient lending practices. Essencially giving banks the power to create currency, from the privately run Federal Reserve to the lower banks, they are destroying America’s money supply by making it 10 times more worthless with every loan or credit.

drb
Member

Thanks for backing me up with sources drb. Specifically, I found out from the “money as debt” documentary, but I guess your examples say the same thing.

I wasn’t backing you up…That film is full of half truths and inaccuracies. “Money as Debt” was produced by the same people. I have talked about the ZM/VP on this site many times before so the regulars here already know what that is all about.

jcrowley1985
Member

Explain the numerous counts of police brutality at the Occupy protests then? If the banks were not trying to cover something up, then they wouldn’t have sent their personal security force know as the NYPD to brutally tear down tents and literally drag people out by their feet.

perlcat
Member

First off, the term is ‘Fractional Reserves’, not ‘Fractional Lending’. Also, there’s banks, and there’s ‘investment banks’ — know the difference.

Regardless of the names, though, you have a profound misunderstanding of what’s going on.

Banks take in deposits. They are allowed to lend the money that is deposited out.

This is not new — banks have done this ever since not long after the Crusades.

There are limits on what they can lend — 20% (the ‘fraction’) of what they have deposited is held in ‘reserve’, hence the name.

When a person borrows money to buy something, odds are good that the person they buy from will re-deposit that money. Since they can only loan out the rest of the ‘fraction’, the money supply increase is theoretically limited to 10X. If they did not have the ‘reserve’, the money supply increase would be INFINITE (actually, not, because not everybody deposits their money in the bank).

In order to make sure that the depositors are not going to lose everything, should they ALL want their deposits at once, the FDIC insures them for up to $100,000. They use the reserves they held back from all the other banks to do this.

If a bank makes bad loans, the bank is on the hook for it. A bank does not make money on loans or deposits. They make money paid as interest from GOOD loans. The principal they get back goes back to the borrower. BAD loans pay nothing. They are a dead loss. No interest, and the capital is gone, and the bank has to make that good with the depositor. There is no Santa Claus. It used to be that banks were given free reign to make loans to whoever could pay — and being conservative people, they only loaned money to people they felt sure would pay. This did not suit our legislators very well — they want EVERYBODY to own a house — and so they passed legislation to force banks to knowingly make loans to risky people.

Right there is the heart of the problem. LEGISLATION FORCING banks to loan money out to bad borrowers. This is why banks hire lobbyists — because enough stupid legislative tricks, and they go bankrupt. They have to protect themselves by keeping people in DC to watch Congress.

This is why your statement about the ‘evil’ banks is so laughable. The banks had no desire to make the vast majority of bad loans on their books right now. They were forced to do it, they wound up taking the losses because of the bad loans, and then people such as yourself blame them, when they had NOTHING to do with it.

Compare them with a creepy crony capitalist like Goldman Sachs — who made a lot of political contributions to get their guy elected, and when they were, (both Bush and Obama), these investment bankers were insulated from the losses they took on in gambling on the bad loans that Congress had created. After they were insulated from this risk taking by the government, their high risk ventures in the real estate bad loan bundling business paid off so well that they were able to award each other HUGE bonuses. This was criminal, but only because the CongressCriminals enabled it. The reason this happened was because if they had to take the losses, then eventually the root cause, i.e., Congress’ meddling in real estate lending, would come to light, and then people would hate Congress even more. (as if that’s possible)

In order to keep the American people distracted from their role, all’s that was left for Congress to do was to get some chumps who have no idea how economies work to ‘protest’ — they’ll make enough noise, and generate such poor public opinion, that nobody is watching for the man behind the curtain — your elected representatives.

If you want your poop to do the most good, go protest in DC. Wall Street just takes the bushel baskets of money that Congress gives them to take the heat. The real criminals are still in office, and most of them have the letter ‘D’ after their names (although there are some notable ‘R’s as well…)

poppajoe49
Member

Damn you perlcat! You keep confusing john with the facts and his little head will explode.

Sidekick
Member

Pericat, you may as well have written that post in Sanskrit for all the good that it will do. Still, a great effort and a nice explanation.

drb
Member

Perlcat, stop doing John’s homework for him. He will never learn that way.

poppajoe49
Member

It doesn’t matter, john won’t learn no matter what.

jcrowley1985
Member

I won’t learn? I can also say likewise. You people are so set on labeling people either Republican or Democrat that you don’t know who the real abusers are. You are so caught up with people getting a cheap 10 dollar phone that you over look the billions that corporations steal everyday.

I think we’re at a stalemate here.

flashingscotsman
Member

TD,…..MO

hkb
Guest

I lived in a 2 family house. Upsatairs the owner. Problems lead to the bank wanting to foreclose unless payment was met. The bank granted a 2 week extension. When the money went to the bank they refused it. Everyone had to move.

We found out exactly why from an executive within the bank. First they decided to “give” the house away (to a ‘friend’), a dollar deal. The bank declared the house & property a loss. The bottom line, that little maneuver saved the bank more in taxes than any worth of the property.

In other words, if the bank kept the house, they had more to lose.

If anyone thinks banks and large money have your ethics (no matter the view), well I’m sure you’ll find a butt-kicking deal on the Brooklyn bridge.

perlcat
Member

On a scale of 1-10, your bullshit anecdote gets a ‘2’.

First off. Your ‘Upsatairs’ owner didn’t pay their mortgage. Banks can dispose of the property as they see fit when they aren’t getting paid. The answer? PAY YOUR F$^%$ MORTGAGE.

Banks aren’t UNICEF. You sign a paper, saying you’ll pay, and then you don’t, and the bank throws you out? That’s the way it works. Is it any concern of yours as a homeowner what the bank does with the property after you FAILED TO PAY YOUR MORTGAGE AS YOU SWORE YOU WOULD? No. They can burn it, wipe their asses on the wall, give to their kids, whatever. It became none of your business when you STOPPED PAYING THE MORTGAGE LIKE YOU AGREED YOU WOULD.

Is it any of your business if you don’t own the property? No. You aren’t part of the transaction. In fact, if they thought that they were supporting a whole nest of deadbeats, tearing the property apart like deadbeats do, then they will jump on the opportunity to foreclose — but ONLY IF THE ‘owner’ WON’T PAY THEIR MORTGAGE LIKE THEY SIGNED THEIR NAME TO ON THE LOAN AGREEMENT.

Your bullshit sob story is just one more warning why idiots shouldn’t engage in real estate transactions. Your ‘owner’ didn’t get a mortgage from Santa Claus. They got it from a bank. They don’t technically ‘own’ the place until the mortgage is paid off — and even then, if they fail to pay property taxes, then the state/county will take it from them.

Mortgages are generally worth more alive than dead — but if a bank has a deadbeat on their hands, then it goes the other way. The problem isn’t the big meanies at the bank. It was your ‘owner’ that didn’t pay the mortgage, and GAVE the bank the right to kick you guys out on your sorry asses.

You need to mooch living space from someone more dependable. Try paying them rent. I hear it works wonders.

You want to know the only people that can take your property even if you’re paying your mortgage? Your government. They can do that. Banks can’t, as long as you pay on time every time. If they tried it, they’d land in court in less time than it takes to say “violating a contract”. It’d be a ‘open and shut’ case, and would probably get you damages as well.

Go try your bullshit anecdote somewhere else. You were awarded a ‘2’ because you used big words like ‘executive’ and ‘property’ and were hilariously unaware of basic real estate concepts like: PAY YOUR F*&KING MORTGAGE AND THEY CAN’T BOOT YOU OUT ON YOUR SORRY ASS, proving that when you were booted out after your ‘owner’ failed to pay, you just sat there on the curb for a day or so, bewildered look on your face, the whole process a total mystery to you. If you tell me you got fixed, I’ll move your story up to a ‘3’.

poppajoe49
Member

Perlcat, don’t forget that the bank doesn’t foreclose on you for being 2 weeks late, it takes 6 months to a year of non payment for them to foreclose. Even then, they have to file and get a court order to take posession and evict. In the meantime, the bank is paying the taxes and insurance on the house.
The only person surprised was hkb.

tgeer
Guest

They did’t. What they forced the banks to do was use ALL income in deciding if a person, or couple, qualified.

common sense123
Guest

Bill Clinton made a lot of mistakes too, I dont know why people and the news dont talk about it… Is very true that a lot of corporations in USA made a lot of money in the last 20 years, but not out of hard work, but thanks to a lot of greed, tricks and cheat, and this brought this country to what it is right now…I have to mention that a lot of corp. and companies made their money with a lot of work and effort, and honesty, but not everybody. The riches with their greed, they moved to China and other countries, and have their millions in banks overseas, thanks to USA politics, and regulations. Politics and Greed have brought this country down, not the average people that have to work every day, not even the poor people of this country we have to blame, remember that every dollar that a poor person have in their pockets they spend it back to the economy, they have to do it, no other choice, but the richest of this country they take their money overseas, because is cheaper, no tax or regulations. We need to invest in here and government stop with the insane regulations…Rampage capitalism sooner or later bursts…like a garden hose that no longer can hold the water pressure…

hkb
Guest

Let me give you a fact of life Perlcat. Everything you stated is OLD news. I deal in fact. I “accidently” aquired several pc’s that were from said bank. One of them thought to be a failure didn’t scrub their drives. The reading, orders and memos were both surprising, a bit saddening, given the respect you have for an institution that remarkably looks down on you as anything but an asset, friend, or anything. Your nothing but a replaceable item. The way they speak of people is not nice and you sound SWEET & Kissable compared to them.

Call me what you want, and your opinion can’t change the facts. I’m not looking for Like and Dislike results here. I stated a fact. Oh and if your at all interested, I can read any drive that hasn’t been wiped. Been doing it since the early 80’s and programmed both high level and low level before you knew the existence of what’s become known as the Home PC and if I gave you the word internet then you’d be dumbfounded.

I don’t claim to be some hyped analyst cause I’m not. I just made a statement about what happened. Your raving on about issues commonly known, and really. I know your not stupid, but your comment reflects that everyone else is. That just ‘ain’t’ so.

What you said about the owner, that was right but that was OLD NEWS. I did fail to mention that when the mortgage money was presented, there was also 4 months mortgage in advance offered along with it.
YES, your right, the man screwed up for not being on time… But you don’t know some of the inner workings of some banks.

I failed to mention, when the bank realized they were going to have a problem not accepting payment, they went back before the previous owner and found that each floor of the house was owned by a different person. Should be a non issue today, but supposedly one of the owners never signed off on the sale of his part to prior owner. I can hear the thoughts, bogus, bogus, bogus, somebody is not telling the truth. Exactly what I thought to. But nobody wants to fight a bank.
– The property went to a ‘friend’ of the banks senior personnel, for nothing. They made more money by losing money.

Funny thing, I love hacking machines (legally). You’d have thought that some of these institutions were above racism, prejudice, and all that crap. Not if John or Jane Q is a potential grossly rich client. All of a sudden the party list thins out if The Q’s have an issue… Their old drives were beautiful.

Fine, you do have facts right. But you don’t know a gosh darn thing of human nature that controls more powerful institutoins then you are obviously aware.

Facts are facts. Deal with it… And if nobody likes this, that’s fine to cause in truth, some people’s ugliness sucks when you can’t do a damn thing about it, like it or not.

Personally I can’t stand what I know and will be happy to forget it again. This all took place over 10 years ago.

Perlcat, you’re the dumbest ‘smart’ person I’ve ever run into. Your everyone’s by the book dreamworld is fantastic… Maybe I can have a brain-wipe and see it all your way. Not knowing that these inner working things exist is a lot easier.

hkb

poppajoe49
Member

I find it interesting that someone that professes to be as smart as you do, doesn’t realize that “accidentally” acquiring bank computers and reading the info on them is illegal.

perlcat
Member

You have absolutely no idea. Just no freaking idea at all.

If your bullshit anecdote was true, which it wasn’t, in effect, you’d bent over, dropped your drawers, and begged Joe Banker to “let you have it”, and then afterwards, you’d complained about it. Methinks, you like it in the ass, but want to look all innocent about it. You have no reason to give bankers a hold over you — but when you don’t pay your f*cking mortgage, you grant people you disagree with the chance to give it to you hard. No lube at all here, Jackson.

The answer’s simple. Your signature represents your character. If you’d treated it like it had any value, then you’d have paid the bills. You felt you were above that banker, and when your arrogance would up putting them in a place where they could grind your little candy ass into paste, you go crying to mama, because you don’t *like* getting what you had coming to you.

You don’t want bankers to bone you? Pay the bills. If it comes down to having to get rough, I may stiff creditors — but I am smart enough to figure out who is secured, who isn’t, and what I can afford to lose. You, on the other hand, babble on about how smart you are, and how unfair those nasty bankers are, unaware of what you say is admission of a felony in an effort to get into the dick measuring competition with somebody you’d never met before in your life. Pathetic.

The smartest people are not going to be in your little dick measuring competition, and wouldn’t be so stupid as to post bullshit anecdotes in order to push their pathetic agenda in order to troll for morons who’d believe them. Especially on a conservative political humor site. How dumb can you be? Wanna phone a friend, Chester?

You’re a pussy of the first order. You can dish it out in the form of innuendo and slander, but when you get called on your bullshit, you get all self-righteous about it.

FAIL. BZZZRRRT. Try again.

poppajoe49
Member

Gee perlcat, why don’t you ever say what you really mean? 😀

hkb
Guest

@poppajoe49: The bank upgraded their systems and got rid of some old. Their security measures obviously were not up to snuff.

@perlcat
As for it not being true, your wrong. And it wasn’t my ass at all. Just told you what happened.

You don’t say jack shit of what you mean, you only retaliate calling people liars, reciting laws that didn’t apply for specific reason.

They can do what you think they can’t. Re-read.
Do yourself a favor don’t reply to this cause I hate armchair tough guys, terrorist’s, rippers and know it all’s that just don’t.

Only on line.

poppajoe49
Member

MORON.

Mya Tosents
Guest

Yes! Well said! The truth hurts doesn’t it you ignorant liberals!

hkb
Guest

Liberal? Please… Take that back or I’ll hold my breathe forever and you’d likely be charged with negligent homicide.

Kidding!!!!

flashingscotsman
Member

Third. TD,………MO.

jcrowley1985
Member

I thought TDMO’s were only for me?

drb
Member

no

flashingscotsman
Member

Isn’t that cute? John thinks he’s special.

TD,………MO.

poppajoe49
Member

He is, just ask the short bus driver.

jcrowley1985
Member

Ha, if that was the case, you guys would be paying for my disability checks.

poppajoe49
Member

It’s amazing how uninformed some people can be.

flashingscotsman
Member

I’m not even going to look to see how uninformed John is. TD,…….MO.

Ken
Guest

Thank you poppajoe49!

poppajoe49
Member

Glad to be of assistance.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

We have been reading the ranting nonsense of the ocupoopist john but must endeavor to keep the decent writings of John, a semi regular poster here, from being confused with lowercase john. Please be sure to keep it lowercase when referring to the loser so we don’t offend the Proper fellow, who pays his own way. Thank you!

jcrowley1985
Member

“ocupoopist”? Really, it’s interesting to see that your witty retorts have not evolved past 3rd grade name calling.

Fyi, I rarely see the other John post here. I don’t blame him after seeing how one side conservative this forum is.

poppajoe49
Member

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Not so silent
Member

John take your free cell phone, and please call some one who gives a shit….

k3nne3dy91
Guest

As a woman who was always in foster care and wasnt taught how to survive on my own i have to say state programs help me. I can’t afford health insurance or a cell phone. I got to school full time and have been applying to countless jobs for a year (not that i have much time for one anyway). I have to walk at night through the train station parking lot through a wooded path to get home. its nice to have a way to contact someone if needed for an emergency. I think people need to stop being so angry at each other. You’re mad at the benefits I get…..just think of the crap life i have to need them. Put yourself in someone elses shoes.

Mya Tosents
Guest

Crap life? You probably get food assistance, cash assistance, free cell phone and a rent subsidy. It goes with out saying that your school is paid for by hard working tax payers. I would hardly call your life crappy. If you want to feel good about yourself, do something with this free education you are getting and get off of welfare. Also, don’t have children (or likely anymore children because you probably already have some that are cared for by a daycare subsidy program also covered by American tax payers.)

Michele
Guest

I have a business degree and have worked as a paralegal most of my career. when the economy went bad the attorney I worked for fired many of us to give our jobs to their unemployed children. NEPOTISM! I never in my life dreamed Id be in this situation. Bet I’ve paid more taxes than many of you on this site whining about your tax dollars be spent for us wellfare, because I am a single woman who never had kids. I take -0- exemptions and pay an additional $100.00 per paycheck to cover my taxes and still owe at the end of the year. So, Mya Tosents, get off your high horse. You better pray that your job doesnt diappear. So what I have unemployment and get a t5rackphone whil I look for work. There are cheater out there but there are also honest people like me who are doing their best to get a job. So Mya. FO. You are not so superior in any way. You’re quite hateful and make many assumptions and make many prejiduce remarks along with other comments Ive read here. You know nothing about any of the personal stories behind each individual. You lack any capability to understand the plight of some people who pay more taxes than you do. Bet you make $20K per year and get a big tax refun, while I pay MORE because I didnt push out babies and use the system. Keep your uninformed opinion to yourself. You and many others are simply ignorant. I could go on but you and many other posters on this thread can’t even stay on topic. Idiots. Yeah, Im bitter that my job was taken away from me. It could happen to you. Pray it doesnt, if you even pray at all. Remember, “Love thy neighbor as yourself” Apparently not.

poppajoe49
Member

For someone with a business degree that worked as a paralegal, your spelling and grammar are atrocious! I would have fired you long ago for the time spent retyping your briefs!
I am a business owner and am sure I have paid more in taxes than you make a year!
Go complain to your welfare caseworker.

steve
Guest

Nicely said Michele. It is to bad that people who actually use the system to help them selves out of a hole get clumped in with all the people who make a living on government programs. And to poppajoe, it’s a blog not an legal document. Nit pick much?

jcrowley1985
Member

People who make a living off government programs? You mean the bankers who gave themselves huge bonuses with bailout money?

poppajoe49
Member

Bailouts your hero Obumbles gave them without preconditions.

jcrowley1985
Member

Nah, the bailouts were Bush’s doing; what with helping out his oil buddies.

poppajoe49
Member

TURKEY TURDS

Taxpayer58
Guest

This program started on Ronald Reagan’s watch.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

No. Read all the posts here, all thousands and thousands before claiming to know something not already put to rest, disseminated, debated, debunked and otherwise to make sure you’re not merely repeating some old nonsense. Cellphones weren’t all that common back in the 80s. Remember these?comment image&w=377&h=394&ei=oOdDT97OI_C40AHq4ZXlBw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=648&vpy=264&dur=8600&hovh=230&hovw=220&tx=92&ty=113&sig=109035524639045793617&page=1&tbnh=119&tbnw=118&start=0&ndsp=27&ved=0CGUQrQMwBQ

Alien
Member

This is what Republican politicians say, over and over..

but remember, TARP started with the Goldman Sachs guy, good ole Hank.. and then he and Bush scared most Dems to go along with it

we all know Goldman Sachs Rules the World

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Scared the dems into going along with it? That took a awful lot of cajoling, to be sure, what with their constant vigilance regarding the economy as exhibited by the Dodd Frank et al.

Alien
Member

Dems scare easily, so its a good tactic. Boehner shed tears for TARP (and later railed against Obama for it)

flashingscotsman
Member

He hasn’t railed against it nearly enough. RINO.

poppajoe49
Member

Steve, poor spelling and grammar transcend blogs and documents. If you don’t take the time or care how you express yourself on a blog, its unlikely you will do better at work.

James
Guest

Well said I also had a very good job. I made close to 60k almost half went to city, state, Taxes. My department was out sourced. my unemployment has run out if it was not for that government phone I could not be able to arrange interviews. Like you I am not looking for a free ride just help until I get back to work. All the taxes I have paid over the last 30+ the government can give me a little help.

jane
Guest

Mya you sound so ignorant. It’s people like you who make most Americans seem inhuman. I have 3 children married & bust my add every day trying to keep a roof over our head. I receive government healthcare & cellphone & it also comes out of my taxes too. Not every one who receive government assistance if lazy & ignorant, sometimes it hard to get on your feet even with government assistance when er have people like you in this country to keep people down.

Sidekick
Member

You may file a tax return but you don’t sound like your paying federal income taxes in the end. So let’s be honest if you’re going to call out another poster. No one but you is keeping you down either.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

The SS component is a non return. Don’t forget the half the employee pays is actually the employee’s money, since it is only paid because the employee works. That is a 15% chunk, paid into the giant government mandated ponzi pool. An if the employee gets a return at the end of the year, that’s a tax free loan to the government. I recommend reducing the federal amount to only that which they insist is owed by the end of the year. They shouldn’t borrow taxpayer dollars without interest!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

I meant to say the half the employeR pays as well as the employee share is actually all the employees money. Smoke and mirrors designed to make employees think they’re somehow sticking to the big boss by making him pay that share. Utter nonsense. That’s the employees money since it wouldn’t otherwise!

poppajoe49
Member

Maybe it would be easier to get on your feet if you learned how to type and corrected your grammer.

Jon Vincent
Guest

I’m very thankful for Safelink. Here’s my short story… moved here… got a great job, manager at Autozone, job wanted for a long time… 2 months later, back fell apart, degenerative disk disease, ER on NewYearsDay 2010, waited for surgery 7 months, then Rehab… Got a new Great Job July 2011… Spine/Nerves complications… Had to say goodbye to job 2 days ago… pending surgery… don’t know when… No Income… going to try selling stuff online from a website… but even that will take forever to establish and see any real money from…

Safelink works for me… as it’s intended, I know of others, who are also in dire straights… and Safelink works for them as well. It’s a Good Program. Like all other programs like this one… there are people who abuse it. But, it is a life saver for those of us who are disabled, unable to work, and have no other source of income.

I’m not running/driving around yapping on the phone like some Cellphone Heads who gotta be chatting all the time it seems… and I don’t know how to Text so I’m not walking/or worse, driving around poking at my cellphone making short wierd superficial little messages to my “friends” on facebook or whatever…

SAFELINK WORKS FOR ME! IT’S A GOOD PROGRAM! I’M THANKFUL TO HAVE IT.

flashingscotsman
Member

Yes, Safelink works for you, and that is how it was originally intended. But it will only be a good program when it is administrated in such a way as to weed out the takers, those who COULD work just fine, but choose not to. Just like the rest of the welfare system.

Mark
Guest

You People sure spend a lot of time going back and forth over this phone thing. It is what it is. Get over it!!!

flashingscotsman
Member

Give me back my money, and we’ll call it even.

Sidekick
Member
Pat Kellogg
Guest

Many people abuse the free phone deal, but some of us did not abuse it. I had a decision to make. If I chose the free cell phone I couldn’t continue with the assistance with my local phone bill. That would mean I wouldn’t have help with costs if i would to move to another residence. thanks for mentioning the Senior service from Tracfone. I do wonder what level of income you yourself have. I get $1108 a month. And there are many seniors out there like me. What about those who aren’t one of the “most”?

When we were made to choose between help with our landline assistance and the free cell phone we were told in the mailing we would be allowed to keep the minutes on our phone, and then could pay for more minutes. Well, they put our time to 0 and there were no customer service folks we could ask about this. Our government chose to use people in India to handle the calls and there was no room to discus anything, just the message that was instilled in them. I only used about 15 minutes a month, to call for a return trip by a van service when going to doctor’s appointments. I have many appointments and find van services very undependable, and have had to wait as long as 4 hours for a return ride. Having the cell phone allowed me to be proactive and keep checking on the ride. Don’t include those of us on very fixed incomes in those taking advantage of the government, or of being freeloaders

flashingscotsman
Member

The bad service can be traced directly back to the fact that the program is government mandated. There is no competition for your “business,” therefore there is no need to provide you with quality service.

Bob
Guest

I am so sick of paying for everyone else and I can’t even pay for my own shit !

Concerened Citizen
Guest

This is completely appalling! I personally know someone who is on the assurance wireless plan and they have a brand new IPhone on the government’s (i.e. taxpayers’) dime with free minutes to boot. At least he does have to pay for all the games he downloads, right?

I also know that assurance wireless (the other ones probably do as well) pays these people who are already getting free phones and free minutes $1500 just to do a little commercial for them! So our tax dollars pay for their cell phone (which should be a privilege, not a right!) and then the company who’s making money hand-over-fist from these government payouts turn around pays them %1500 for less than one days’ worth of work! How many of us working class schlubs make $1500 a week, let alone a day?!?!

But back to this guy I know…he is a single father who can’t really hold a job. He’s in sales and he applies for a multitude of jobs he’s not qualified for but occasionally he’ll find a sucker who feels sorry for him. Then he’ll work for a month or two…long enough for his employer to find out he’s really a schmuck..(i.e. not bothering to leave his house everyday for work). The only reason he’s in sales is because it takes a little longer to prove someone isn’t doing their job, so it buys him a little time (and a little more free money). Then when he loses that job, he goes right back to living off the government and religious organizations that pay for his rent, gas, insurance, electricity, water, etc. Then when they start prodding him to get a job again the cycle repeats itself.

I think these organizations need to be investigated. I’d like to see our money used more wisely. I prefer to give a hand-up not a hand-out.

And the emergency use argument? What’s wrong with a land line phone that costs $10 a month? There was, after all, a time (not that long ago) when cell phones were considered a privilege you work to earn, not a right simply because you’re a citizen (if that’s even a requirement). No where in this countries’ founding documents do I see the promise of this or any other “free government cheese”. I am promised “life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness,” and to pursue something means to go after it, not sit and home on my rear and let the government take care of me. Free I-Phones and minutes galore is ridiculous!

therage
Guest

WELL, the worst problem about Safelink is trying to call them and getting a live person. I applied..Sent them a fax AND a hardcopy with the front and back of my EBT card (South Carolina). I was turned down/disqualified because they claimed the name on my verification (actual picture of the EBT card) was illegible (I sent it in b/w AND color and even wrote the number down).
I can’t email these people (the link doesn’t work)..When you call, all they do is send out another application (never a live person in customer service). AND do to my finances, I really DO need a phone so employers can call me EVEN if it’s only for a temp job here and there..I mean, at my income, it’s either pay for car insurance OR have running water already. OR electricity so I can heat the little bit of EBT food (and I buy STAPLES, flour, sugar, cheapest bologna and beans)I do get.
I wouldn’t mind the needy, especially the “seasoned citizens” getting some sort of phone. ATT cuts people off all-the-time due to that companies fluky payment system (and don’t say do it ONLINE because seniors who can’t afford a voice line certainly don’t have the means to buy hi-speed). (up here, they deny even 911 service although mandated in other areas to atleast keep emergency services open).

I voted Republican for 30 years..I was a good lil’ conservative who voted for getting people OFF the system. NOW, I’m actually part of the dependant class because the manufactoring jobs are gone and this BS “information economy” moved to New Dehli!. I get offers of 8 bux an hour..Fine if it were full-time..NOPE…20 hrs a week..Temporary..@ will.
NO, if the phones are needed, then those who need them should get them.
BUT TracPhone needs to answer their own dam’ phones IF they’re taking government money!

drb
Member

Mr Ad. or Ed., can one of you delete the post two above this one, just because it has some personal info that clearly was not meant to be here.

poppajoe49
Member

Just freaking amazing. You try to help someone out and some a-hole gives you a thumbs down.
Pathetic.

drb
Member

eh, whatever.