Gene Shalit Chris Matthews says the new Valerie Plame movie is this generation’s Casablanca

by editor on November 12, 2010

There was a brief moment last week when it appeared that Chris Matthews had regained a bit of his sanity. Never mind. The moment passed.

On Monday night the tremors and hallucinations returned and he told his audience that Fair Game, the new movie about the Valerie Plame scandal, stacks up favorably against Casablanca.

Matthews: Let me finish tonight with a stirring movie I saw last night. I had heard of the first-rate script, the masterful performances by the leads, Naomi Watts and Sean Penn. What I was not prepared for in Fair Game was the story itself, the wondrous dramatic courage of it all. This is one fine movie. While there will never be another Casablanca, Fair Game is perfect for our murky time.

On this review, we give Chris two thumbs down. And one finger up.

Source: NewsBusters.org

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Kip Hooker
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“Or does it hurt trying to justify the outing of a CIA intelligence officer responsible for a network of spies and front-corps tasked with countering nuclear proliferation in the 3rd world?”

But according to Joe Wilson nobody in the third world was ever trying to get nuclear weapons. Maybe Valerie Plame did us all a favor by outing herself. After all why should we have to pay her to waste all that time and resources on a phantom that does not exist.

alien
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You are willing to seriously oversimplify Joe Wilson’s position on the matter, in order to justify the compromise of U.S. intelligence operations? To what end? Are you in opposition to the CIA? (this is not terribly uncommon in some circles)

Or do you actually believe that Joe Wilson stated that “nobody in the third world was ever trying to get nuclear weapons?” Does ANYBODY actually take that position? Are you a straw man fighter by choice?

Joe Wilson very specifically addressed the lack of evidence for uranium deals between Nigeria and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, not the entire 3rd world. I’m certain he was well aware of, say, Dr. Khan’s travels in Libya, N.Korea and Iran (as should you be, and one would like to think the CIA and other agencies remain uncompromised in their investigations of similar activities)

BTW i have not seen this movie yet. I have too many kids to go out and see anything that isn’t animated

Kip Hooker
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My oversimplification of Joe Wilson’s role in the matter is likely a kindness to him. He was a hack with a political agenda. He went to Nigeria with a specific purpose in mind. His purpose was to indicate that the Bush administration had known from the beginning that there were no WMD’s in Iraq. Specifically when he -Bush- made the statement “, “The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” That statement became the one of the lefts’ many “Remember the Alamo” moments of the oughts. There were others. You are no doubt familiar with the Downing Street Memo affair.

I know there was 500 tons of yellowcake, of a purity far less than weapons grade, discovered in the country. I know it ended up in Canada. How Hussein got his hands on it is beyond me. But I do know that the WMD controversy, and regardless of if they ever existed or if they were spirited away to Syria, made any claim of any third world nations trying to develop nuclear weapons a very spurious affair. And Joe Wilson played no small part in advancing that meme into the popular conscience.

As for the CIA I have no specific conclusions regarding them. I don’t know enough. I will never be read in. All I have concerning them are rumours and speculations. Certainly I am glad there are men and women about that can do what they do. But I don’t think I’ve acquired the level of pragmatism necessary to want to be more fully aware of what it is they do.

It does seem, however, that if they sanctioned the Wilson’s and indulged them in their fact finding fantasy and then allowed for “information” to be disseminated for public consumption and that “information” was highly unflattering to the administration then they had an agenda. And that agenda was not serving at the President’s pleasure. Perhaps this is not their function. But that doesn’t mean their function should be shaping public opinion.

Of course if you are looking for somebody to blame for the “outing” of Valerie Plame then maybe you should blame her. If she hadn’t decided to politicize the issues then nobody would ever have heard of her. If she was a pencil pusher at the time then what is the harm of her former exploits being exposed -especially if she was so willing to exploit them herself for political gains. And if she truly was undercover why then did she take actions that brought scrutiny to her and her husband and why did she out herself instead of maintaining the cover that she was a pencil pusher? These actions might make for great improvements in the social lives and bank accounts of Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame . . . but they most certainly do not serve to preserve the viability of these “U.S. intelligence operations” that you are so protective of.

alien
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Y’all get this worked up because he liked it as much as Casablanca? And you haven’t even seen it? And some of you want him to DIE? Hell i can think of 10 other movies easily

Or does it hurt trying to justify the outing of a CIA intelligence officer responsible for a network of spies and front-corps tasked with countering nuclear proliferation in the 3rd world?

alien
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Hey vote this down too!! Because i don’t desire DEATH for an MSNBC guy

Noelegy
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Noelegy

Hearing that the Huffington Post loved this movie told me just about everything I needed to know about it.

SCDiver
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SCDiver

I hear that….

Hank
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Hank

Saw this movie Saturday night. It is shamelessly hagiographic. I am surprised the Valerie Plame action figure and video games are not on the market yet.

KimmyQueen
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“Let me finish”?! Ewwwwww….

An endorsement from him tells me that this is the movie that I need to skip this fall. I don’t particularly care for Sean Penn anyway.

vitaglubet
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vitaglubet

If Chris ever had a sense of integrity, it sure left him. He’s a joke and doesn’t deserve to have a voice in the media. I’ll not tune in anymore even out of curiosity. I think he might be senile.

suibne geilt
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suibne geilt

What is most intriguing is trying to find a legitimate reason why a corporation, GE in this instance, would continue to sully their image with hapless morons like mathews and olbermann. when somebody really connects the dots there are going to be a lot of angry shareholders. I unloaded them years ago.

perlcat
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GE has no image left to sully. Immelt is your garden variety rent seeker — without corporate welfare, they’d have to resort to actually having to compete fairly — believe you me, they have no desire to do that. There was a very interesting memo the WH passed around that proves that. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Wind-subsidies-arent-working-107222844.html

They’ll do anything to swipe a buck or bag a subsidy. GE is corporate welfare scum to the core. They’re in so deep in lib politics that the only way out is to double down on manipulating our elections. Expect the lib slant to increase, as they figure the more you repeat lies, the more people will come to believe them.

USN-RETIRED
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USN-RETIRED

Just repeat – It’s only a movie, it’s only a movie.

I’m only surprised that this bit of flatulance wasn’t produced by the non-lustrious Oliver Stone. His motto – “The truth is whatever I think it should be. “

Warren
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I thught that was Michael Moore’s motto?

perlcat
Member

Nah. His motto is “All your Big Mac are belong to me”

Lee
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Lee

I know it sounds horrible, but I wish this guy would choke to death on his own vomit.

perlcat
Member

Not me. He’s such an obvious troll, that it is fun to use him to separate the morons from the intelligent. If a person cannot tell that Matthews is an idiot from listening to him, they are, too.

greatj
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greatj

I did not know that humpty dumpty headed Chris Matthews is now a film critiic.Matthews better change his panties.

Texan1
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Texan1

Come on Chrissie: Your “Casablanca” is really “Brokeback Mountain”.

robo
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robo

No – She was an undercover agent in at least two positions in Athens and Brussels -Don’t let research get in your way

Kip Hooker
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Undercovers in Athens and Brussels, wow she sounds like a whore. BTW, if she is the only one that knows her status is active, everyone else reporting the incident believes her cover that she has been a secretary for the last five years and then all of a sudden she reveals her role as a “secret agent” is a current one . . . then it she -in fact- the one that outed herself. No one else involved could have.

perlcat
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That doesn’t mean squat and you know it. It can mean as little as she has the connections to get herself interesting places to work. Undercover agent can mean all kinds of things, from 007 spy-types to ignorant drones who ferry papers back and forth, to people the government uses to leak information and retain deniability. So far as that goes, ‘counter-proliferation’ encompasses so much of a range of activity that there is no clear way of ever knowing whether she was actually useful or just another drone.

Given that the whole sorry-assed episode began by her using her connections to get her husband a trip to Africa, I’d say it was more of a case of administrative drones passing around assignments to further their careers.

It certainly couldn’t be Wilson’s stellar competence or open-mindedness — judging by the sheer hostility in his editorial, he looks like someone who made a concerted effort to ignore any evidence contrary to the opinion in his fat head. His mind was made up before he got on the plane, and so he had no business going in the first place. The icing on the cake is when he wrote that editorial — talk about a loud mouthed incompetent.

The only way he could have gotten that assignment was through connections. Me, I’m glad Plame was outed — to be so unprofessional as to send someone who won’t do their job just as someone’s connection shows she had no business working for the CIA, either. It beggars belief to think that she wold not know that her husband would do anything other than a hatchet job. Whether he was in on the secret of her true job or not, as an ‘undercover agent’, it is of life-threatening importance for her to know the people in her life — and being a flaming lib with a loud mouth and poor judgment, he was a losing proposition from day one.

The whole affair was totally overblown — lefties such as yourself thought you had a smoking gun to take down the president, and when that didn’t happen, the witch hunt became an end in itself. When the final truth came out, why was it that nobody did anything? After all, if it was such a serious crime that Libby should do hard time for lying about it, why shouldn’t Armitage go to prison, too?

Kip Hooker
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@Pelcat

Bravo!

donavandean
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donavandean

pericat… your ignorance knows no bounds.

perlcat
Member

Well, thank you!

Coming from you, that means the exact opposite, and that I have managed to gore your ox besides. Total WIN!!

Seriously, if you had something intelligent to say on the subject to refute what I said, you’d have said it by now. Nobody’s keeping you from it. Until your team wins, speech remains free.

alien
Guest

Agent Perlcat says: “It can mean as little as she has the connections to get herself interesting places to work. Undercover agent can mean all kinds of things, from 007 spy-types to ignorant drones who ferry papers back and forth, to people the government uses to leak information and retain deniability.”

It sounds as if you actually don’t know what she did. Considering the extensive classification of details of her work, this is hardly surprising.

“So far as that goes, ‘counter-proliferation’ encompasses so much of a range of activity that there is no clear way of ever knowing whether she was actually useful or just another drone.”

Again, you are prefacing this diatribe with a depiction of your lack of understanding of her duties. Are you preparing to argue that some “drones” in the CIA are, in fact, expendable.. or worthy of outing? Are you painting a vague spectrum here, onto which she must fall on the wrong side?

CIA: Her outing could be problematical..
Perlcat: eff her, she’s a drone

meh.. bored of questioning baseless assertions

perlcat
Member

“meh.. bored of questioning baseless assertions”

Could have fooled me. Looks to me like you never tire of making them. Also looks like you get lonely, and dredge through my older postings and bring them to the front, for which I thank you.

I like how you quote me when I say that I don’t specifically know what she does, and here are some suggestions, and act like there’s a problem with that. Well, I *don’t* know exactly what she does, and so the only thing I *can* do is speculate based on how she acts. Even if the CIA *said* what she did, it’d be most likely a cover story. It’s what they do. There are probably 2 people that know exactly what she actually did — herself and her boss. In fact, *she* may not know exactly what she is doing, and that isn’t a measure of incompetence, just an acknowledgment of how things like false flag operations work.

However, the original context of my post was in response to robo’s statement that she went to foreign countries, and that made her important — my assertions were a counter to his assertions. Context is everything.

I’m not saying that as a drone, she is worthy of outing. Just saying that for all we know, she is a drone, and she acts like one so far as I’m concerned. So what? Personally, ‘outing’ a CIA agent is a bad thing — I’d prefer to stay as far from what they do as possible.

OK, genius, riddle me this.

If “outing” her is a crime when libs think it is Cheney doing it in retaliation for Wilson’s undiplomatic editorial, a crime they consider so serious that Libbey had to go to jail for not remembering consistently what happened, how come it stopped being a crime when it was found that Armitage was the leak?

I’m all ears for an explanation of the marvel of a dual justice system that we apparently have. If it wasn’t a serious crime anymore, why did libs oppose Libbey’s pardon? I thought you guys were all about defending the little guy from the justice system?

Could it be that the only reason that libs were interested in the case in the first place was the punishment for that type of crime would suit their purposes, and when the person they wanted to nail was not nailable that way, they lost interest? After all, conservatives are usually the ones with a positive perception of the CIA, and libs are the ones that usually hate on the agency with both barrels.

JRGierlach
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JRGierlach

She was a desk pilot at the time her “cover was blown” because of Hansen- who actually had a deleterious effect on the CIA. Don’t let the facts get in yer way.

Warren
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Can someone do me a favor and explain exactly what this movie and the incident it is talking about is, exactly? It sounds just like another conspiracy movie or something.

I don’t even remember what this is referencing? Maybe I just had other things on my mind at the time…

YT
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YT

I think the funniest thing about that whole ordeal was that Plame’s Hubby’s report actually backed up the assertion that Saddam was shopping for some fissile matizzle, for shizzle.And after all the hubub, it quietly came out that Novak got Plame’s name from someone you’ve never heard of (can’t recall the name).

JRGierlach
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JRGierlach

Richard Armitage- a State Dept bureaucrat who worked for Colin Powell and was violently opposed to any direct action against jihadis or saddam hussein, as opposed to knobbers for all the bad guys.

perlcat
Member

Which explains in a nutshell why he isn’t in prison — he’s a member of the political class Eleanor Roosevelt spoke of, when she said: “He’s not one of us.”. They closed ranks, protected their own.

The end of all that hue and cry was nothing short of bizarre — all that fuss, and it just died away like yesterday’s news. You can’t tell me that if someone else, say, Dick Cheney, outed Plame in retaliation (as initially suggested), that he’d be a free man now. It is either a crime, or it isn’t.

If this isn’t an object lesson in why we have to watch Republicans every bit as much as Democrats, then there’s no hope at all left. The whole culture in DC is corrupt. The entire concept of having administrative hacks who work at complete cross-purposes to their bosses and being allowed to remain employed even after it comes out is bizarre.

Kjackers
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Kjackers

Ass.

Andy
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Andy

I watch Casablanca over and over; doubt if I’ll see this trash once.

David
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David

From all bureaucracies in all the Beltway she walks into mine. Play it Sam.

Kip Hooker
Member

ROFLMAO!

mike3481
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mike3481

Matthews may have a point, after all Victor Laszlo was a Communist.
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(Watch Casablanca again with the above in mind and you’ll see the clues)

Kip Hooker
Member

Yeah but Richard Blain made time with his girl, dumped her back in his lap and still had time to kick Strausser’s ass while Lazzlo was crying into his appletinnie. IMHO that is a major win for the Cafe American!

mike3481
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mike3481

Agreed. 😉

Bronco46
Guest

This is without a doubt the dumbest statement made in comparing movies I’ve ever heard someone in the media make.
Shalit I can understand we can write that off to diminished capacity. But Mr. Matthews is just showing his bias.
This is a film based on a lie, and not just any lie. This is a big one.

danybhoy
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danybhoy

If you remove his desk & pan back, you MAY find out that Matthews has his pants around his ankles. This guy is an Obama beat-off, & he has turned politics into a masterbatory activity. Matthews really needs to step back & take a long look at himself. He’s lost his mind, he lost his ratings a decade ago, & at this point, he’s just plain lost.

Jim Stewart
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Jim Stewart

The Wikipedia entry for Fair Game starts off: Fair Game is a 2010 thriller film directed by Doug Liman blah blah blah blah blah blah. A thriller??? Excuse me? I thought a thriller had to have an element of danger. So what was dangerous about the Plame episode? Did someone serve Joe Wilson two olives in his martini? (note: Martini tradition calls for an odd number of olives.)

rs
Member

Didn’t Plame have a desk job when all this broke? Of course, Matthews never lets facts get in his way.

John
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John

Since Sean Penn is mentioned here in the movie, I have to bring something up. Good thing all the “celebrities” like Sean Penn and others went down to Haiti to save it, because just look at the progress made after thier involvement a complete transformation from 3rd world country to 3rd world country.

perlcat
Member

Actually, thanks to them and the UN, they went from a 3rd world country to a 3rd world country with cholera.

On a more positive note, whenever people think of sh*t, they will think of Sean Penn.

robo
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robo

And you have contributed to society how?

Kip Hooker
Member

Well my worth is not determined by my contribution to society. I am not societies slave. I am not it’s servant. I am my own master. I am sorry if this concept of self sovereignty is so abhorrent to you.

“It only stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there’s service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.”
Ayn Rand

john
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john

Suppose in your mind traveling to places like venezuela to befriend fellow U.S. haters and constantly talking sht about the U.S. and prancing around like a big shot is “contributing to society”, well no I haven’t done any of that, I actually work for a living and appreciate what this country has been able to give me , security, plenty to eat etc. Celebrities, which are nothing more than court jesters spewing out thier leftist politics aren’t contributing anything useful, his trip to Haiti was basically to make him look like a great humanitarian, he made sure the press was constantly aware of what he was doing.

john
Member
john

And you have contributed to society how robo?

perlcat
Member

Well, since Sean Penn’s ‘contribution’ to society is limited to punching reporters and sucking off leftist dictators, I’d say that just by living and breathing and minding my own business, my contribution to society is considerably greater than his. As a simple matter of fact, our society is unable to distinguish between real-life accomplishments and roles played by actors with all the intelligence and charisma of warm sh*t.

I have to admire how you turned the subject into an attack on the posters. By your logic, unless we pay the price of doing something “for” society that you value, we have no right to speak. Well, I’m going to say something else that I have no “right” in your mind to say.

F*ck you.

Linda
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Linda

To John-LOL. So true.

matthew s harrison
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matthew s harrison

All I can say is Naomi Watts and Sean Penn? They are young enough to be plame and her husband’s kids-not to mention they are both movie stars-and plame and her husband are zeros.
I love hollywood-for 43 years they have been making me look like a rocket scientist.
Lastly, Matthews is so deluded in his thought process I actually feel sorry for him. I actually feel sorry for the morons who put him on the air, and somehow think they are providing a public service. Even the left has to laugh at this imbecile. Seriously-how can anyone think that Matthews is even sane?
I guess the American dream is here for anyone to reach out and take-even complete lunatics like matthews and his fellow commentators on msnbc. It is an asylum over there at best-I wonder if they are all the products of CIA LSD testing programs?

USN-RETIRED
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USN-RETIRED

Hey, Chris boy is so popular that they even wrote a song about him:

Still Crazy After All These Years.

Elrond Hubbard
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Elrond Hubbard

The movie is Democrat propaganda; a slick, 21st century update of “Mission to Moscow”. The Hollywood Left has been churning out crap like this for the past 10 years. The good news is that these flicks have all been box office flops.

john
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john

And matthews is his generations leading idiot, man that guy is white, I’m caucasion but that guy is like a steriotype white, no lips, translucient skin, white hair, wierd looking.

Sailingbum
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Sailingbum

Maybe zombie like or one of the living dead??

USN-RETIRED
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USN-RETIRED

Sounds like pigment deficiency, aka albinoism.