Guns, Mental Illness and Newtown. “People who are serious about preventing the next Newtown should embrace much greater funding for mental health, strong laws for civil commitment of the violently mentally ill—and stop kidding themselves that pretend gun-free zones will stop killers.” Maybe if the useless media limited the airtime devoted to these incidents, attention-seeking lunatics wouldn’t be so tempted to perpetrate them. But then, what would the mush-mouths talk about? Obama has created utopia, history is now over.

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ooddballz
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ooddballz
December 19, 2012 2:37 pm

While I feel bad for the “mentally ill”, I can’t help but wonder how much of the problem is the “Don’t hesitate, medicate” mentality of the world today.

When you giver little Johnny Lithium and a “time out” instead of five across the backside I believe you are part of the problem.
NOT that some kids on meds DON”T need them, but how many that DON”T need meds ARE on them?
Sorry folks, and while i AM NOT ADVOCATING CHILD ABUSE, I am ADVOCATING CHILD DISCIPLINE over child medicatio0n just because it is easier than raising your kid.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 20, 2012 9:53 am

In true, clasic mental illness (bi polar, schizophrenics, major depressives, etc) some medication is almost always required to even out chemical imbalances that affect behaviour. But they also nee therapy, they need structure, with clear parameters on behaviour, and predictable consequences if their behaviour strays beyond those parameters. Mentally challenges, TBI, tumors in the brain etc are a whole different story. Some modifications must be made for the individual and they don’t belong in a mental institution. When I last worked Psych, we had a kid transferred to us from a group home who was mentally retarded (yes, I did say that word!) nonverbal, and completely undiscilined in part because of his problems. I want to say he had some other sensory issues as well, but I can’t remember the details. At any rate, he was acting out, required a 1:1 staffing 24 hours a day, and was violent. We ALL at some time got hit, scratched, our boobs twisted, bruised and battered. He was there for some 2-3 weeks before someone snapped and did a complete physical. Turned out he was in pain from a severe ear infection, but had no way to tell us and the home looked at the behaviou and dumped him back at the Psych hospital without even looking to see if there was a physical reason for his change in behaviour.

flashingscotsman
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December 20, 2012 10:00 am

I hope he has a better life now that the ear infection is cleared up.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 21, 2012 9:35 am

Well after a week or so on abx he was much better behaved. He was still there when iI resigned. His original grop hme claimed they couldn’t take him back, so they were looking for a new one.

flashingscotsman
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December 21, 2012 10:23 am

So, he’s still unbalanced, but taking away the intense pain caused him to act out less. That’s a step in the right direction.

Ear infections cause a LOT of problems, especially if they’re not correctly diagnosed. I know personally of a number of kids that were considered rather slow, until their ear infections were diagnosed and treated. Suddenly, they’re not in pain, and they can hear. It changes them drastically.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 21, 2012 10:47 am

Yeah, due to allergies, all 3 of mine had problems. Evryone got tubes at some point, and my sone actually got them twice! This young man was not, as far as I could tell. getting any kind of rehab or therapy to make him more functional. Just housed in the group home. I thnk they had some basics like a day care, coloring and such, and he really liked music, but I think they felt his level of retardation precluded any real learning.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 21, 2012 10:49 pm

Hmmm, perhaps jcrowley has an ear infection?
He likely will not be able to be trained to be useful afterward, but it might get rid of his CG and RP obsessions.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 5:50 pm

The mentality ill are left to their own issues until they are deemed a threat to others or themselves. By the time this happens, they are either dead, or have killed someone or harmed them greatly, or been voted into the whitehouse.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 19, 2012 5:25 am

Or as Time Magazine’s person of the year.

deepthinker
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deepthinker
December 18, 2012 5:31 pm

The mentality ill are left to their own issues until they are deemed a threat to others or themselves. By the time this happens, they are either dead, or have killed someone or harmed them greatly.

Dealing with someone who is mentality ill is not an easy thing to do. One minute they recognize you, the next you are some demon or that voice who they hear when they try to sleep. Having dealt with many, you never know what you are about to encounter and your 6th sense is in full gear.

I agree, it is time to provide these people with the necessary help that they need.

KimmyQueen
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December 18, 2012 10:04 am

I don’t wannt to seem superficial but the Newton shooter looks like a man that got a really bad sex change. All of these shooters look creepy and are probably creepy and everybody knew the as creepy and as Jim NOrton stated no one said anything becaue it was impolite. They say that a lot of these people are like that serial murderer Ted Bundy and youc annot tell but in some cases you can.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 20, 2012 9:41 am

I suspect the media gets the weirdest picture ever taken of these guys, specifically to make them seem like they were obviously nut cases. Unfortunantely, most serial killers and spree killers are relatively normal looking. THeir behaviour (poor social skills, “loner” tag, etc) are a little off center, but usually not to the extent that people think they are really dangerous. For instance, the shooter in Aurora Colorado was a bright, seemingly well adjusted guy. He signed up to persue a graduate degree, seemed to function in society fairly well, and if you look at “prior” pictures, was an average, attractive enough guy. But the picture we always see is the one right after he was arrested, with his hair dyed orange, and looking as though he is in shock or stoned or something. Monsters don’t always LOOK like monsters.

RobertW
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December 20, 2012 1:38 pm

trayvon martin
jfk
teddy kennedy
koresh
adolf
fdr
teddy r. (well, maybe)
slutdonna
squeaky fromme
sarah jessica porker

Alien
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Alien
December 19, 2012 5:36 am

he sorta resembles a acquaintence of mine from 22-23 years ago back up north.. something in the longish face, spread-out eyes. He was kinda a weird riot, funny around us, but awkward. He was on lithium when i left for AZ and I heard stories about some schizo, bent-reality episodes later on. His sister was full on mentally disabled. His parents stuck together but were completely overwhelmed and pretty bitter

flashingscotsman
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December 19, 2012 9:41 am

I’m carrying a hunk of lead in my chest from a “cool” kid, who went off his meds. Granted, it’s a small chunk, only about 3/4″ in, so we decided to leave it rather than leaving another big scar trying to get it out.

Alien
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Alien
December 19, 2012 11:06 am

jeezus you are one big battle scar, from the vague assemblage of reported injuries i’ve heard over a couple years. Impressive

flashingscotsman
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December 19, 2012 6:21 pm

I’m lucky to be alive. Many times over.

My religious friends look at how “lucky” I am and say that God must have had a plan for me. If that’s true, I believe it must have something to do with the joy I see in kid’s eyes when I take them for a ride on a rocking unicorn. Especially if I picked them up out of a wheelchair to do it. Or watching a 90 something year old woman turn back into a kid when she rides. I’m one of the people that can honestly say, “I LOVE my job.”

Or maybe I’ve just been lucky. I don’t know.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 20, 2012 9:44 am

So you don’t think bringing jy to p[eople could be a God-given gift? On the contrary, I think that may actually BE the prpose God has for you! What a wonderful assignment, if you will! Make everyone happy and joyful, even if jst for a short while! I envy you that!

flashingscotsman
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December 20, 2012 9:55 am

That’s what I’m saying, Rose. If you guys are right, if there IS a God, and He DID save my sorry butt for a reason, I figure that must be it. I even enjoy driving down the freeway with my horses on an open flatbed trailer, watching all the smiling people drive by, giving me thumbs up. It really brings me great joy.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 20, 2012 9:58 am

That is one of the tets to see if an activity is the “right” activity. If you are happy and love doing it, it is probably the right thing for you to be doing!

RobertW
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December 20, 2012 1:40 pm

That is one of the tets to see if an activity is the “right” activity

where’s this test?

flashingscotsman
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December 21, 2012 10:20 am

Don’t worry about offending my agnosticism. I’m one of the amiable ones. Personally, I hope you guys are right. I look at things with an open mind.

RobertW
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December 21, 2012 9:47 am

oic

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 21, 2012 9:34 am

Bible based test for Spiritual gifts. I didn’t get into that out of respect for Flash’s agnosticism.

RobertW
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December 20, 2012 3:29 pm

serious questions are dt’d now?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 19, 2012 5:28 am

All of these shooters look creepy and are probably creepy and everybody knew the(m?) as creepy

Looking at jcrowley’s posts and avi, perhaps we should get him help now?

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 1:31 pm

hence why some murderous female types want pix of their babies b4 birth, so they can decide (eugenically of course) whether to waste time birthing a potential king, or killer.

KimmyQueen
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December 18, 2012 2:27 pm

You are willful in your desire to misunderstand OR to speak something that was not there nor intended. It is a very unnecessary statement any thinking person knows what I am talking about and most people here know ME enough to know that is not what I was talking about. If you look at the pictures of all people that do this, they all have this same look on their faces as Jim Norton stated last night and he was right. It had nothing to do with pre-birth looks your statement is hideous and in all reality stupid and insulting. Just like the one above about the military.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 2:32 pm

hold on now,
YOU begged the question back in the thread about 3 fingered babies.

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 18, 2012 5:47 pm

What are you talking about? You are making absolutely no sense. You can be very weird.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 5:51 pm

You can be very weird.

i accept your compliment, your memory of your ihtm thread comments notwithstanding…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teBV0EoJJY8

baby.

ooddballz
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ooddballz
December 18, 2012 9:38 am
RobertW
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December 18, 2012 1:30 pm

Texas officials

well now, how the hell about that?

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 18, 2012 9:36 am

First step: Ex-military (with cleared psych testing), National Guard person, ex-cops or current cops out of duty, and/or someone that has gun experience that knows how to use it and has used it in battle or in battle formats IN and AROUND schools. Allocate what public schools already get to security.
Second step: Consider CERTAIN key members of the administration and/or front office to have psych evaluations, gun training and gun owning (concealed) as a second wave of protection for the school not just from outside forces but also inside forces.
Third step: Increase or include if not already a safety drill program for all students in addition to fire drills and also create if not already a secure entry and exit ways programs.

Once you do all of that for all public schools and incentivate private schools and semi-private schools to do the same or better, then we can start talking about revisiting or refining the gun control laws that are NOW on the books without adding to them and increasing awareness of mental health issues.

Those who are raising even tiny red flags from age 1 to age 24 should be monitored. Then talk about those who are adults and out of their parents home or not having parents pay their way through college and how adults who have mental issues and raise flags should be monitored and helped. I am all for helpign those that have mental issues, but we need to bring security in first.

Alien
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Alien
December 18, 2012 6:44 pm

I doubt most marines would stop cold at the “ex” prefix without regarding a good set of ideas all around.. I’d consider it a sacred or patriotic honor for the Guard to be involved in protection of our children.. A citizen soldier can manifest as more then a weekend warrior. When I say it, it sounds all fascist-like.. KQ makes sense out of the idea

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 6:59 pm

I doubt most marines would stop cold at the “ex” prefix without regarding a good set of ideas all around
civilian
also
KQ makes sense out of the idea
maybe to a civilian who ain’t got skin in the game, no matter the color or education or gender for that matter.
but then an alien couldn’t understand that.

baby.

Alien
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Alien
December 18, 2012 7:36 pm

Whatever, I’d have been happy to serve in that capacity

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 7:52 pm

Whatever,

quite possibly the most ignorant remark in history.
also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJNxj1FdKuo
edit

Alien
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Alien
December 18, 2012 8:01 pm

Bold statement, I’d say. How is it you come to such insight as to how I could’ve preferred to serve? You seem tetchy, so I won’t worry over your response overmuch. But still, curious..

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 8:07 pm

simple, i’m earthican, and you’re alien. hence, time the earthstoodstill.

baby

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 1:29 pm

stop right there. definition of terms
ex has very negative definition
Former is the preferred language. also former precludes any need for psych testing, we’ve been there, done that, civilians.

.02

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 18, 2012 2:25 pm

Whatever… I have no such qualms nor negative view on that. You have no problems with ex-cops being said and that can also in your mind be considered negative. To me it doesn’t, if it does for others that is their problem not mine. Overall I feel that ex and former means the same thing and they shouldn’t have to carry any negative anything if it is attached to a service position like that.

drb
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drb
December 18, 2012 5:26 pm

Oh no, Kimmy. Once a marine, always a marine. whether active duty or not. That’s the point LRobert is trying to make.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 5:41 pm

fine lee
bowt i’m

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 4:51 pm

ex wife
former wife
ex president
former president

also,\
call a former marine ex marine to his face. silly pigeon.

drb
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drb
December 18, 2012 5:26 pm

Don’t get so snooty, booty!

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 2:27 pm

first law of debate, define terms.

also
Robert’s Rules of Order a must read.

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 18, 2012 5:50 pm

I wasn’t debating you and anyone knows what I am talking about. If like DRB states you intended to state that a military is never a former nor ex military you should have just stated that and be done. Your confusing postings are not helpful.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 6:01 pm

a former

not ex

do please try to keep up and not post confusing posts. ty.

also
smile the world hates u
p.s. axe deepthinker he’ll understand, unless he’s a she, then we’re all doomed.

drb
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drb
December 18, 2012 4:28 pm

Rule #1) any and all of “Robert’s Rules of Order” are trumped by whatever new rule drb comes up with at any given moment. 😀

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 4:37 pm

snu snu u.

snit-twin-powers activate

form of a male chauvanist

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 5:42 pm

btw drb, snu snu u way outta line

sozzy.

drb
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drb
December 19, 2012 7:32 am

Apology accepted

RobertW
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December 19, 2012 7:33 am

thank you.

drb
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drb
December 19, 2012 7:43 am

your welcome

drb
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drb
December 18, 2012 4:44 pm

that doesn’t even make sense

Alien
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Alien
December 19, 2012 5:39 am

snu snu has a Futurama context.. that may guide you

drb
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drb
December 19, 2012 7:50 am

I caught his drift, I just wasn’t going to acknowledge that part of it. Saw no need to justify it at the time. But all’s good now. I’m not one to hold onto greivences.

RobertW
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December 20, 2012 6:18 am
poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 19, 2012 8:53 pm

Have no clue what Futurama is.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 19, 2012 5:58 am

snu is also part of a VERY old joke.

snu

What’s snu?

Not much, what’s snu with you?

Alien
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Alien
December 19, 2012 6:46 am

Lol that rings a bell.. But not what Robert meant at first methinks. However he did sozzy about it later, I just didn’t see it until after I posted clue for drb. So my own apologia too

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 4:49 pm
drb
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drb
December 18, 2012 5:16 pm

And your female twin (who ever that may be) takes the shape of what? exactly…see you left out half of the equation…that is why it didn’t make sense.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 5:40 pm

ahh
i was hopin you supply the exegesis of the variable.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 4:48 pm

it does if one is sufficiently educated.

but don’t worry you’re pretty lil head about it. us manbots will lead the way.

also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e4kDXsM6lk

drb
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drb
December 18, 2012 5:22 pm

My pretty lil head, uh? well that proves that you aren’t sufficiently educated in at least one area…didn’t your daddy ever teach you that if you argue with the pretty ones you end up with the ugly ones.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 20, 2012 9:30 am

Careful Robert. You are beginning to exhibit the signs everyone is saying to watch out for in preventing another shooting, bombing or whatever attack. Take a deep breath, take your PRESCIBED meds and stop self medicating.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 7:01 pm
RobertW
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December 18, 2012 6:49 pm

yeah? well.
at least i can be angry, and try to sin not.

drb
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drb
December 18, 2012 6:47 pm

I just mean talk to me when the LRobert I know is back. Not the angry one.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 6:44 pm

oh now you’re dehumanizing me?
ME???
i’m a man among men, in that I believe women ought not to usurp authority over the man, and
that feckless men ought to not let willful women usurp authority over them.

problem is, to my way of thinkin’, to many women today prefer to think of men as boy-toys and dress-up dollies, and too many men aren’t around to bring up their children, both male and female, with the nurture and admonition of the LORD.

our boys been the playthings of now for too damn long, and it’s nobody’s fault ‘cept the fathers that sired them.

my pa’s pa, after gittin his dam w/child, sailored off like he was somethin. and abandoned my dad out in west texas some damn fucking where.

oh he was a fucking u.s. navy sailor… buried on shore down south texas va cemetary way. I’ll shit on his headstone b4 i die, God willing.

I lived with women insisting they were more equal than me, so don’t go selling your

you lucky i have some semblance of propriety left.

drb
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drb
December 18, 2012 6:28 pm

Ok…talk to me when you’re human again.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 5:45 pm

also, my dear old da sucks the ass of the dam that bore me
and bored me.

by the time i was 7 her spankings of me were such i had to force myself to cry-baby-cry ‘fore she stroked her diabetic ass out.
don’t get me started on the rest of the abuse.
p the effen s i’m lookin for to kick some adze.

still and all, i ain’t gone off and anhiliated anybody yet

(note) emphasis on yet.
may she rot in not peace
and the man that couldn’t control her too.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 5:41 pm

ha ha ha

pretty ugly ass ess men there.

jcrowley1985
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jcrowley1985
December 18, 2012 9:12 am

This shooting was a government inside job. Wake up people!

Corporate Greed has kept you asleep too long.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 19, 2012 5:17 am

As far as the title of this thread goes, maybe we should address the 2nd point first.
Since we obviously have someone here with a mental illness (jcrowley), we should focus on the problem we deal with daily.
Look at it from this perspective. Lanza lived in his mother’s windowless basement, and spent most of his time on the computer. Should we have the authorities check out jcrowley before he “goes postal” and kills the kids at his local daycare?

jcrowley1985
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jcrowley1985
December 19, 2012 6:35 am

So how is knowing the truth about Corporate Greed a mental illness?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 19, 2012 7:01 am

TURDS!!!

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RobertW
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December 20, 2012 6:17 am

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 19, 2012 7:04 am

sorry about the long link.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 19, 2012 7:17 am

Damn, you should apologize for some of those images. Good Lord!

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 19, 2012 8:28 pm

Was only supposed to be the one with the guy in front of the huge sand pile that looked like poop.

flashingscotsman
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December 19, 2012 9:37 am

I got a laugh out of it.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 1:27 pm

I just now contacted Mr. Paul’s D.C. office, though very busy, the person answering the phone was polite, obviously harried, under-pressure to say the least, but I was able to get IHTM into the conversation 2 times, and it seems he took the i hate the media dot com down on paper, but his phones were busy, so i got to the point.
I told him someone here was apparently misrepresenting Ron Paul. He thanked me, told me he’d look into it, and I wished him a merry christmas, and he thanked me and said, and i quote, “You too.”

jcrowley1985
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jcrowley1985
December 18, 2012 6:18 pm

Dr. Paul doesn’t need anyone to represent him, he can speak and act for himself; unlike Romney who needs his Corporate Greed cronies to rig the election for him. I support Ron Paul but I wouldn’t say I “represent” him.

Also, didn’t he step down from Congress, his office shouldn’t be busy at all if it’s even still open.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 20, 2012 9:24 am

If he rigged the election, why did he lose? Do you ever think about what you are about to say or do you just vomit up the first fleeting thought that crosses your mind? Never mind. That was a rhetorical question.

jcrowley1985
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jcrowley1985
December 20, 2012 9:33 am

Since he and Obama are both the same Corporate Greed controlled shill, it didn’t matter if he won or not. He only meant to sabotage Ron Paul as he was the only threat to Corporate Greed’s evil agenda.

flashingscotsman
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December 20, 2012 9:52 am

TD,…………….MO.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 6:36 pm

2nd pt first
everyone knows, who has ever moved, that hustle and bustle requires someone to control the chaos.

1st pt next. Dr. Kevorkian need a rep, why not mr. paul?

and i say this with the least amount of respect and effort necessary.
you suck harder than a eureka with a tomato in it’s shooshchute.

flashingscotsman
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December 18, 2012 7:29 pm

TD,……….MO. That turd felt good.

danybhoy
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danybhoy
December 18, 2012 12:08 pm

Ok crowley, are you a Infowars/PrisonPlanet goof who worships at the alter of Alex Jones? You have that vibe.

EXFED4
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EXFED4
December 18, 2012 9:07 am

I predict that our government’s war against the second ammendment will work out just like its war on drugs, alcohol prohibition, war on poverty, (insert your favorite government failure here).

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 18, 2012 12:28 pm

Only one amendment was ever repealed. Why was that and how many died before it was? Answer that, progressives.

danybhoy
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danybhoy
December 18, 2012 12:53 pm

What’s funny, is that is the last time the progressive movement did anything by the book in this country. They actually went through the amendment process.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 18, 2012 1:25 pm

They grew out of that when FDR was elected.

danybhoy
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danybhoy
December 19, 2012 1:50 am

That is correct.

RobertW
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December 18, 2012 1:15 pm

(socialized charity)

danybhoy
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danybhoy
December 19, 2012 1:49 am

Wrong RobertW, booze ban.

RobertW
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December 19, 2012 6:23 am

(insert your favorite government failure here)

and so i did

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