Pig out on Pennsylvania Avenue: Michelle Obama eats everything she says you shouldn’t eat

by editor on July 13, 2011

Michelle Obama went to lunch on Monday. In other words, she went to a fast food joint and ordered a double helping of hypocrisy with some sanctimony on the side.

Flaunting her role as Big Brother’s Big Mother, she sat down at the trough and ate everything she tells the little people not to eat.

The Washington Post explores the excess caloric count:

First lady Michelle Obama ordered a whopper of a meal at the newly opened Washington diner Shake Shack during lunch on Monday.

A Washington Post journalist on the scene confirmed the first lady, who’s made a cause out of child nutrition, ordered a ShackBurger, fries, chocolate shake and a Diet Coke while the street and sidewalk in front of the usually-packed Shake Shack were closed by security during her visit.

According to nutritional information on Shake Shack’s Web site, the meal amounted to 1,700 calories.

Obama, who launched the “Let’s Move” campaign to combat childhood obesity last year, has previously admitted to having an “obsession with french fries,” which she says are fine to indulge in occasionally. “It’s all about moderation,” Obama told reporters.

Moderation. That’s what it’s called when you follow a 1700-calorie meal with a Diet Coke.

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Source: Washington Post

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poppajoe49
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“Michelle Obama likes to experiment with fashions.”

…and Dr. Frankenstein liked to experiment with monsters.

Wacky hijinks *do* ensue!

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perlcat
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We need to have us a Photoshop/gimp contest.

(gimp for those of us too cheap to buy Photoshop. — I use it to do the graphics on all my wife’s CDs — it is a very good, very free product…)

http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html

KimmyQueen
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Wow where did you get that photo of Olivia? Is that Soros in the background?

Olivia
Member

My point was that it’s a tad archaic, especially among a bunch of reactionaries, to feminize nouns in such a way.

and they don’t have a lifestyle website either!

http://www.todaysmuslimah.com/

Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?

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I didn’t say the word was never used by anyone on the internet, Poppajoe. I merely pointed out that it’s rather archaic to feminize nouns (as in “stewardess,” “Jewess.” “authoress”). But I’m intrigued by your attitude—that, if Muslims are still doing this, then, by golly, you and Barb are going to defend the practice with your last breath. Odd how you rush to defend little things like that, but condemn everything else Muslims do (or that Rush tells you they do). 😀

Olivia
Member

But I’m intrigued by your attitude—that, if Muslims are still doing this, then, by golly, you and Barb are going to defend the practice with your last breath. Odd how you rush to defend little things like that, but condemn everything else Muslims do (or that Rush tells you they do).
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Say, Poppajoe, I hope you took the trouble to look at that link, rather than just using it as an excuse to start a urinating match. It’s got some good information in it (and some good recipes, too!) Did you notice that the site is run by a North Carolina woman who converted from Islam (she was born a Southern Baptist)? It seems that she’s written a book about the niqab.

Will you be ordering it right away, or did you plan on just embracing ignorance and bigotry for a while longer? 😉

poppajoe49
Member

So, now that you looked at it, you are contradicting yourself!
First, it was archaic, but now that the woman that runs it converted from Southern Baptist, you think it has some value! She named the website after that “archaic” name you seem to hate, but because she’s no longer Christian, she’s of value to you!
Oh, one more thing, yank your head out of your ass, this is the last time I’m telling you, I DON’T LISTEN TO RUSH!!!

Olivia
Member

So, now that you looked at it, you are contradicting yourself!
First, it was archaic, but now that the woman that runs it converted from Southern Baptist, you think it has some value! She named the website after that “archaic” name you seem to hate, but because she’s no longer Christian, she’s of value to you!
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Wrong again, my boy. “Muslimah” is clearly not an English word. It’s like the term “Inshallah”—it’s made its way into modern American usage and dictionaries, but it’s a foreign word and concept.

Be that as it may, using a different form of a noun for women’s
professions, religions or ethnic identity IS out of favor in most American culture. Of course, if you prefer to follow the Arab model, far be it from me to stop you. 😉
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Oh, one more thing, yank your head out of your ass, this is the last time I’m telling you, I DON’T LISTEN TO RUSH!!!
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You listen to him by proxy, though, because you parrot all the standard talking points that he feeds his dittoheads. It’s not hard to see that—-all one needs to do is check out the transcripts of his latest shows on his website. (He used to have a lookup function, where you could see exactly who was driving the use of certain right wing buzzwords, but that’s disappeared. Apparently he didn’t want to make it so easy for his political opponents to find out—and prove—-that he regularly contradicts himself.)

So, figuratively speaking, if you don’t want people to take you for a skunk, best stop painting that stripe down your back, slathering on all that stinky essence, and hanging around henhouses. 😉

perlcat
Member

“You listen to him by proxy”?

WTF?

The depths you sink to to tar people with the “listens to Rush” brush.

If that’s the way you want to play it, how’s your favorite Stalin/Marx/Che radio show? They still dead?

Olivia
Member

“You listen to him by proxy”?

WTF?

The depths you sink to to tar people with the “listens to Rush” brush.

If that’s the way you want to play it, how’s your favorite Stalin/Marx/Che radio show? They still dead?
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List some specific comments I’ve taken on this board that dovetail with statements those three have made, and we’ll talk about it.

In the meantime, I’ve yet to see a post by Poppajoe that didn’t match Rush’s position on a given issue issue, and include many of his favorite buzzwords.

Sorry, Perlcat, but that’s the way it is. Odd how so many of you fairly caper with indignation at the suggestion that you’re influenced by Rush, yet don’t hesitate to parrot his comments.

brm
Member

“I’ve yet to see a post by Poppajoe that didn’t match Rush’s position on a given issue issue, and include many of his favorite buzzwords.”

Prove it.

drb
Member

She has accused me of the same thing, yet I couldn’t tell you what any of Rush’s buzzwords are. I don’t even know what station he is on here, if he is on here. I don’t listen to any talk radio.

Olivia
Member

“I’ve yet to see a post by Poppajoe that didn’t match Rush’s position on a given issue issue, and include many of his favorite buzzwords.”

Prove it.
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Sorry, Adolf—-no can do.

I’m not going to scurry around collecting evidence to try to persuade you of something that you have no intention of accepting anyway. It matters very little whether you agree with me on this point—I don’t need your stamp of approval.

It’s been my experience that most far righters deny EVER listening to or parroting Rush——-but they get very defensive whenever he’s criticized.

(And, no, I’m not going to “prove” that, either.) 😉

brm
Member

“Sorry, Adolf—-no can do. I’m not going to scurry around collecting evidence to try to persuade you of something …”

Adolf? LOL Yeah, it’s the evil twin today.

Apparently you haven’t been in contact with your other twin, “Olivia”. You know, the one who screams “YOU made the accusation so YOU prove it.” Remember “her”?

You don’t have to try to convince me of anything, dear. Just back up your accusations.

I’ll wait ….

poppajoe49
Member

I’m not going to scurry around collecting evidence to try to persuade you of something that you have no intention of accepting anyway.

Translation: I can’t refute your accusation, so I’ll just divert attention elsewhere in hopes that you won’t notice I’m incompetent.

drb
Member

Second turds of the day.

KimmyQueen
Guest

I just got the second turds of teh day as well. I am shocked. I did a lot of two though… Still apporting to the effort though 🙂

drb
Member

That’s right KQ, can’t get the point if someone else doesn’t set you up first.

Olivia
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Author: poppajoe49
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Now, I’ll challenge you to do the same thing that I asked another poster to do: Show me your evidence that Mrs. Obama hasn’t followed a healthy diet-and-exercise regimen

Sorry, Adolf—-no can do.

I’m not going to scurry around collecting evidence to try to persuade you of something that you have no intention of accepting anyway. It matters very little whether you agree with me on this point—I don’t need your stamp of approval.

Don’t it suck when people use your own words to burn you? 😀
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Not particularly, for two reasons:

1) As I pointed out to Barb, it’s impossible to “prove” a subjective observation. But your charge that Michelle Obama doesn’t follow a healthy diet was not subjective.

2) You haven’t made any effort to back up your (objective) accusation for several days—-so why would it bother me that you’re not going to do so now? The whole thing was a fabrication, anyway, and I knew that as well as you do. 😉

poppajoe49
Member

So, how do you explain how you manage to sound like the bastard child of Alan Colmes and Rachel Madcow?

Olivia
Member

So, how do you explain how you manage to sound like the bastard child of Alan Colmes and Rachel Madcow?

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Do I?

You just sound like you’re parroting a bastard. 😉

drb
Member

third turdsof the day!

poppajoe49
Member

Did you notice that the site is run by a North Carolina woman who converted from Islam (she was born a Southern Baptist)?

You’re spinning so hardand fast that you can’t even get your to’s and from’s right! If you keep backtracking like this, you might end up back in the womb!

brm
Member

“Say, Poppajoe, I hope you took the trouble to look at that link, rather than just using it as an excuse to start a urinating match”

Why? Are you going to run a drug test on it?

Olivia
Member

). The only problem that I have with her on this score is that she is telling ME and US all that we are all fat or else that a good number of us are fat and that our kids are fat and our choices are wrong and how we need to better for our health and our kids’ health.
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THe only problem you have with her is that she’s Obama’s wife, which forever damns her in the eyes of the far right. When did she tell you you were fat? Got a direct quote?
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She then puts HER OWN DAUGHTERS as example of fatness in America
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Direct quote, please?
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YET she has says all of this and has the gall to go eat a high calorie fat riddle lunch and who knows how much of that she eats a week
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Exactly. You don’t KNOW, so it’s dishonest of you to ASSUME.

I could say I don’t know how many thousands of dollars’ worth of merchandise you shoplifted last year, and it would be the truth. But it would still be dishonest.
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, she has gained a lot of weight
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That’s highly debatable.
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and she looks terrible in couture dresses.
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And that’s just plain sour grapes. Michelle Obama likes to experiment with fashions. Some of her experiments look great; others are less successful. But it’s ridiculous to claim that she “looks terrible.” Makes you look petty and mean-spirited.
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She is not fooling me. She cannot tell me that I got a problem and she is all good.
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When did she tell you you have a problem? WHen did she claim to be “all good”?
Got some direct quotes to back that up?
Of course you haven’t. You just wanted to jump on the I-Hate-Michelle-Obama bandwagon, and grabbed at the first opportunity to do so. And, like 99% of your buddies here, you’re spectacularly misinformed as to what she said, and what she didn’t say at all. But, hey, you more than make up for your lack of truth and knowledge with nastiness.

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poppajoe49
Member

Someone needs to do her own research instead of asking us to do it for her.

KimmyQueen
Guest

I put several pictures from 2008 to 2011 for people to peruse and see the obvious fact that she has gained weight. Perhaps she diets occassionally and exercises regularly as to why she hasn’t really inflated, but she is not the same as in 2008. The editor or admin has to moderate it and then it will show up. HOwever I am not making a habit of this, the troll needs to do its own research indeed.

poppajoe49
Member

Kimmy, where is a link to the pics?

KimmyQueen
Guest

The editor or admin hasn’t let the post in yet. Since there were so many links from different sources they have a way to control that so they need to get it approved. Hopefully soon. In 2008 not only was she skinny (midsection) but her ass was adequate and in proportion to her body frame at the time. Once it comes up you will see them.

poppajoe49
Member

2008?

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KimmyQueen
Guest

ha… not quite. I am not going to hate when a person does look good. She wasn’t someone that I liked personally she seemed at the time arrogant (and I was of course right), however she did look good (in 2008). However the pics have come up, and you have seen it, she has certainly expanded in the past years.

Olivia
Member

I put several pictures from 2008 to 2011 for people to peruse and see the obvious fact that she has gained weight. Perhaps she diets occassionally and exercises regularly as to why she hasn’t really inflated, but she is not the same as in 2008. The editor or admin has to moderate it and then it will show up. HOwever I am not making a habit of this, the troll needs to do its own research indeed.

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Kimmy, I didn’t ask for you to collect a bunch of pictures from the internet. I asked you some simple questions, that you totally ignored:

When did Michelle Obama tell you you were fat? Got a direct quote?

When did she say her daughters were fat? Got a direct quote?

When did she tell you you have a problem?

WHen did she say she was ‘all good”?

Do I need to guess why you ignored these questions? 😉

KimmyQueen
Guest

I have a feeling that I am going to be severely bored with this post, so I won’t even bother reading this crap. Thanks Whack-a-trollers!

Olivia
Member

I have a feeling that I am going to be severely bored with this post, so I won’t even bother reading this crap. Thanks Whack-a-trollers!

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Translation: “I read the post, and it’s just what I feared: she’s challenging me on my lies. Thanks for ‘hiding’ the post, and allowing me to save face by pretending I didn’t read it.”

You are too easy, Kimmy. 😉

poppajoe49
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Olivia
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Someone needs to do her own research instead of asking us to do it for her.
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It’s not MY “research”, Poppajoe. Kimmy made the charge; therefore it’s HER responsibility, not mine, to back it up with facts.

If she can’t or won’t do that, then she loses credibility. It’s that simple.

poppajoe49
Member

Where did that picture of the lava flow on Mt Pinatubo come from?

perlcat
Member

“Michelle Obama likes to experiment with fashions.”

…and Dr. Frankenstein liked to experiment with monsters.

Wacky hijinks *do* ensue!

Olivia
Member

“Michelle Obama likes to experiment with fashions.”

…and Dr. Frankenstein liked to experiment with monsters.

Wacky hijinks *do* ensue!

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I remember, forty years ago, how outraged conservative people were with “hippie” fashions: faded denim, natural fibers, T shirts with slogans on them, beards and mustaches. I also remember getting into a lot of arguments with my ultraconventional mother: “Do you have to go around looking weird? Why don’t you cut your hair short? Why don’t you ever wear the navy blue polyester pantsuit I bought you last Christmas?”

But, then, we had very different ideas about fashion. I liked clothes that made a statement, even if not everyone appreciated the statement. My mother believed in blending in. As she put it, “if you’re dressed properly for the occasion, your clothes shouldn’t stand out.”

She’s been gone for many years now, but I think she would have been a huge admirer of Laura Bush’s fashion sense: simple, nondescript hair style, plain skirted suits (always in good taste, because they don’t offend anyone), attractive but very conventional evening gowns in neutral colors. There were no surprises in Laura Bush’s wardrobe. And, as far as my mother was concerned, that’s the way fashion should be: as tidy, attractive and unimaginative as our avocado-green-and-gold Early American living room.

Michelle Obama, on the other hand, often surprises. Her red silk organza evening gown for the Chinese state dinner got more attention than the dinner itself. She’s not afraid to be creative with combinations of designer separates and inexpensive, off-the-rack accessories. Even couture conscious France has complimented her fashion look—-no mean accomplishment, considering how often she’s been photographed next to former top model Carla Bruni-Sarkozy.

But conservatism, by definition, isn’t about taking risks—not even fashion risks. It’s about sticking with what’s comfortably familiar. And, let’s face it: a black woman in a sleeveless dress or a brilliantly colored gown is not a comfortably familiar image of American First Ladies. Neither is a woman, black or otherwise, who looks and dresses like any other American mother when she goes picnicking with her kids.

The conservative mentality is, “But that’s not what I’m used to.” A more forward looking mentality is, “It’s okay to try new things—-in fact, that’s what progress is all about.”

By the way: most of those fashions my mother disliked so much 40 years ago became mainstream a long time ago. I often wonder what she’d think about modern men (conservative AND liberal), dressed in what she surely would have regarded as children’s fashions: baggy shorts, baseball caps, T shirts, jogging suits on bodies that look as if they’ve never jogged any further than the refrigerator….and not just at home, but out in shopping malls, nice restaurants and even at church.

Once upon a time, those fashions would have been thought as outrageous and unflattering as many of you feel about some of Michelle Obama’s combinations. But today, few even notice them, because they’ve become mainstream.

(Of course, if Michelle Obama suddenly started taking Laura Bush as a fashion role model, you’d still be b*tching up a storm about her—-probably jeering at her for dressing above her “class.” There’s no way she can ever win with you people, so she might as well wear what she pleases, and let you go ahead and b*tch about it.) 😉

perlcat
Member

I was at a graduation not long ago. A college graduation. You could tell who the jerks were. In an extremely formal occasion, they felt somehow compelled to “express their individuality” by adding things like ribbons and other decorations. This sort of occasion is so formal that a lot of the roles, clothing and decorations date back to medieval times. There’s a lot of pageantry to it.

This is a formal occasion. A person who graduates from a top five university summa cum laude and is given a solitary ribbon to wear on an otherwise plain cap & gown deserves to be held out — to receive the honors due from their achievement. To muddy it with an “anything goes” dressing style is stupid, pointless, and disrespectful — behavior you would surely excuse.

Fashion in some senses is a popularity contest. But in other senses, there is a need for people to understand how to treat each other with respect. Entirely unsurprising that you would not understand. It has nothing to do with a fear of the new and the unknown — but since you have no clue, that’s how you choose to denigrate it.

I have no doubt that you are a disappointment to your mother — she raised you to be neat, tidy, and to observe & respect social cues and conventions — and you choose to laugh at it. She is or was too much of a lady to say this to you, but I don’t particularly care about your feelings, and so am honest about it.

It is essential for a person to look the part for the role they choose in life. Nobody will deposit their money at a bank whose employees all look like homeless people. Nobody would expect a man in a Brooks Brothers suit to work as a bricklayer. You act & dress as a slob and call it being an individual in order to hide from your own sense of failure — you know that what you are doing isn’t working, but lack the tools to understand why. You couch it in terms of rebellion from your mother — far better for you to be honest and admit that fashion isn’t your thing. If everybody dresses outrageously as you describe, then nobody’s being an individual. They’re just being slobs.

As to not trying new things — there has been plenty of new things tried, style-wise. There is a rich history of fashion. Just because some people are not engaged in your particular race to the stylistic bottom does not mean that they are unwilling to try new things — they just need to see which is better for their purposes. (I thought you libs were above common bigotry with regards to personal values, but who knew?)

The problem with FLOTUS is that she does not have a sense of what looks good (or appropriate) on her, and gets used as a clothes horse by people that really don’t care whether she looks the part or not. She, like you, turns a deaf ear to all productive feedback, and so gets mocked constantly to her everlasting bewilderment. $500 tennis shoes to a homeless shelter? Too funny for words.

It is like shooting fish in a barrel. Until you “get” the point that you are a little too old to be rebelling against your mother, you will continue dressing like a slob, and people will continue to mock you.

On the other hand, I have to hand it to you and people like you. It is markedly easy to tell who is a lady these days, and who isn’t.

Olivia
Member

I was at a graduation not long ago. A college graduation. You could tell who the jerks were. In an extremely formal occasion, they felt somehow compelled to “express their individuality” by adding things like ribbons and other decorations. This sort of occasion is so formal that a lot of the roles, clothing and decorations date back to medieval times. There’s a lot of pageantry to it.

This is a formal occasion. A person who graduates from a top five university summa cum laude and is given a solitary ribbon to wear on an otherwise plain cap & gown deserves to be held out — to receive the honors due from their achievement. To muddy it with an “anything goes” dressing style is stupid, pointless, and disrespectful — behavior you would surely excuse.
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You like to IMAGINE I would excuse such behavior. In fact, you have no reason, other than wishful thinking, to assume that I don’t like traditional cap-and-gown graduations, or that I want to see graduates gussy up their gowns with eye-catching accessories.
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Fashion in some senses is a popularity contest. But in other senses, there is a need for people to understand how to treat each other with respect. Entirely unsurprising that you would not understand. It has nothing to do with a fear of the new and the unknown — but since you have no clue, that’s how you choose to denigrate it.
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Uh……Perlcat? I guess you forgot that this whole discussion got started when some of your far right wing buddies decided to denigrate the First Lady of the United States. Where’s your concern for THEIR lack of respect? 😉
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I have no doubt that you are a disappointment to your mother — she raised you to be neat, tidy, and to observe & respect social cues and conventions — and you choose to laugh at it. She is or was too much of a lady to say this to you, but I don’t particularly care about your feelings, and so am honest about it.
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My boy, your nose is growing. You care tremendously about my feelings—-otherwise, you wouldn’t be twisting and spinning what I said into something unrecognizable. You see, I never said that my clothes were dirty or disrespectful, or that I “laughed at” social conventions. Nor did I say that my mother was “too ladylike” to talk turkey to me, or that I turned out to be a disappointment to her. If you truly believed in what you were saying to me, there’d be no need for you to lie about what I said, would there? 😀
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It is essential for a person to look the part for the role they choose in life. Nobody will deposit their money at a bank whose employees all look like homeless people. Nobody would expect a man in a Brooks Brothers suit to work as a bricklayer. You act & dress as a slob and call it being an individual in order to hide from your own sense of failure
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More lies. Once again, Perlcat, I didn’t say anything about acting or dressing like a slob. Most of my friends and coworkers would be extremely amused at your efforts to depict me as unladylike. 😀
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— you know that what you are doing isn’t working, but lack the tools to understand why. You couch it in terms of rebellion from your mother — far better for you to be honest and admit that fashion isn’t your thing.
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My boy, if you actually knew me, you’d realize what a ridiculous statement you just made.
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If everybody dresses outrageously as you describe, then nobody’s being an individual. They’re just being slobs.
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And, again, you were in such a big fizz to discredit me that you sailed right past the point I was making in my post. My point was that fashions that look unusual (or “outrageous,” to ultraconventional right wingers) are often tomorrow’s mainstream attire.

As for your apparent preoccupation with slobbiness: the only slobs I mentioned in my post were modern guys who like to dress like Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee: baggy, rumpled shorts with bare hairy legs hanging out, oversized T shirts to accommodate fat stomachs, and baseball caps covering shaggy and unkempt hair. My point was that, forty years ago, such attire would have looked ridiculous on anyone over four years old—-but, today, it’s everywhere. And I’ll bet you don’t see anything “outrageous” about it at all, right? 😉
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As to not trying new things — there has been plenty of new things tried, style-wise. There is a rich history of fashion. Just because some people are not engaged in your particular race to the stylistic bottom does not mean that they are unwilling to try new things — they just need to see which is better for their purposes. (I thought you libs were above common bigotry with regards to personal values, but who knew?)
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And, again, let me remind you that this whole discussion started with you righties bashing the First Lady’s appearance—-and in a decidedly un-classy way. Why would you assume that it’s fine and dandy for you to do that, but unacceptable for me to express my own opinions about clothing? 😀
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The problem with FLOTUS is that she does not have a sense of what looks good (or appropriate) on her, and gets used as a clothes horse by people that really don’t care whether she looks the part or not.
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So tell me, Mr. Fashion Maven, what sort of clothing do YOU think would look good or appropriate on the First Lady? And what makes you so sure you know better than fashion designers what sort of look suits her personality, and would play as well at the Elysée Palace, for example, as it would in Bugtussel, Texas? Give us some examples, okay?
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She, like you, turns a deaf ear to all productive feedback,
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Perlcat, a bunch of angry and disgruntled teabaggers running down their First Lady isn’t “productive feedback.” She’s absolutely right to turn a deaf ear to them. 😀
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and so gets mocked constantly to her everlasting bewilderment. $500 tennis shoes to a homeless shelter? Too funny for words.
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You know what’s even more ridiculous than wearing designer casual shoes to a shelter? Middle-aged men who carp and b*tch and gossip about the presumed cost of a First Lady’s shoes, because they want to discredit her husband’s work, but can’t come up with a more intelligent strategy for doing so. 😀
Interestingly, I didn’t hear any reports of homeless people slamming her for wearing those shoes. Just the far right media and their gullible fans. Is that your idea of classy behavior, Perlcat? Scrutinizing a woman’s clothing, looking for something—-anything—- to get offended about, and then trumpeting it all over the media?
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It is like shooting fish in a barrel. Until you “get” the point that you are a little too old to be rebelling against your mother, you will continue dressing like a slob, and people will continue to mock you.
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And, until you start listening to what people actually say, you’ll continue to make a fool of yourself, trying to lecture me about things I never said, but that you want badly to believe I said.

Relax, Perlcat. I’m not “rebelling” against anyone. I dress as I please, and often get compliments. I don’t subscribe to the idea that one should blend in with the woodwork, and I don’t, but neither does that mean that I look “outrageous” or foolish.
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On the other hand, I have to hand it to you and people like you. It is markedly easy to tell who is a lady these days, and who isn’t.
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It’s easy to tell a gentleman from a jerk, too. Gentlemen don’t go around telling lies about women, or cackling like a flock of old biddies while running down their president’s wife nonstop. And, like it or not, a jerk is still a jerk, no matter what sort of clothes he’s wearing. So I won’t bother speculating about YOUR fashion choices. 😉

brm
Member

Did the troll just break an IHTM record in the most smilie and winkie faces in one (LONG and TIRED) post?

Olivia
Member

Did the troll just break an IHTM record in the most smilie and winkie faces in one (LONG and TIRED) post?

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I can’t help it, Barb. Some of the arguments you guys use are so ridiculous it would be impossible not to smile. 😀

poppajoe49
Member

Interesting how a troll can make way off base assumptions about us, but when someone uses the trolls attitude and demeanor to make assumptions about the troll, it becomes angry and long winded in it’s displeasure.

Tsk-Tsk troll, your hypocrisy is showing again!

KimmyQueen
Guest

and it stinks too… gross… smell that? ugh…

Olivia
Member

Interesting how a troll can make way off base assumptions about us, but when someone uses the trolls attitude and demeanor to make assumptions about the troll, it becomes angry and long winded in it’s displeasure.
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No, I’m not particularly “angry,” Poppajoe. I’m used to right wing lies and the people who parrot them. It’s annoying, sure, but I realize that those lies are motivated more by gullibility and desire to follow the crowd than any real malice.

As for your accusation that my post is “long winded”: it’s not always possible to discuss a complex issue just by parroting bumper sticker slogans. Sometimes these discussions require a few paragraphs (ask Perlcat, whose post was at least as long as mine). But you might not realize that, if you never have ideas or opinions of your own.

poppajoe49
Member

bumper sticker slogans

But they are so much more succinct!

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brm
Member

“But they are so much more succinct!”

Now, now, Poppajoe, don’t be too hard on the troll. It is liberal and as such is unable to acknowledge that some issues truly are black and white, not 187 shades of gray, each shade just one more attempt to defend the indefensible.

It is an anti-West troll, which makes it, by default, pro anything that is anti-West. We see that in its attempt to defend the full face covering mobile prison, the niqab, when it parrots the NOW approach to feminism and calls it a “long loose black traditional garment”. It claims that women actually wear these black mobile body bags of their own free will. No doubt it also defends female genital mutilation as a custom that women want and ask for of their own free choice.

I’ve got a new bumper sticker for the troll:

“Female Genital Mutilation: It’s OUR choice!”

poppajoe49
Member

Just as the ancient “art” of foot binding is voluntary, because of 2000 years of indoctrination!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Perverse!

Olivia
Member

Now, now, Poppajoe, don’t be too hard on the troll. It is liberal and as such is unable to acknowledge that some issues truly are black and white, not 187 shades of gray, each shade just one more attempt to defend the indefensible.
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Wrong again, Barb. Sociological and cultural issues are NOT simple, no matter what college flunk-out Rush claims to his dittoheads. If you find them to be simple, it’s probably because you’re seeing them from such a narrow perspective that you’re missing 99% of the picture.

I have to laugh at the way you guys sputter with indignation at the very idea of asking Muslim women for their input. Why should they be asked for their opinions, you reason, when WE already know what’s best for THEM?

As usual, right wing propaganda has pumped up your self-esteem to the point of arrogance. And, as usual, you lack the subtlety to ask yourself if you’re really qualified to tell someone else, with a different religious and cultural background, how to live her life.

By the way: if respecting other people’s right to choose their own clothes makes me a ‘troll,’ I’ll wear the label with pride. It’s not a very flattering term, but it beats the heck out of being a provincial bigot. 😉

brm
Member

I’ve got another bumper sticker for the troll:

“Sex-selection abortion: It’s OUR choice!”

brm
Member

“I have to laugh at the way you guys sputter with indignation at the very idea of asking Muslim women for their input. Why should they be asked for their opinions, you reason, when WE already know what’s best for THEM?”

Funny troll. We don’t know what’s best for THEM and we never said we did. In fact, to use one of your very own circular arguments against you, YOU made the accusation so now please provide the proof where anyone on this website claimed that they know what is best for Muslimas.

I’ll wait.

perlcat
Member

I have another bumper sticker:

“It takes a village — to mutilate children.”

poppajoe49
Member

if Michelle Obama suddenly started taking Laura Bush as a fashion role model, you’d still be b*tching up a storm about her—-probably jeering at her for dressing above her “class.”

It’s amazing how clueless some people can be.

Olivia
Member

It’s amazing how clueless some people can be.

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Yeah, tell me about it! 😀

poppajoe49
Member

Yeah, tell me about it!

You need it explained to you?

Olivia
Member

Yeah, tell me about it!

You need it explained to you?

Concrete thinker.

poppajoe49
Member

Concrete thinker.

Vs concrete headed.

Olivia
Member

Just as the ancient “art” of foot binding is voluntary, because of 2000 years of indoctrination!
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Footbinding involved painful (and permanent) crippling of the foot, which is a good deal more drastic than the custom of covering one’s face when outside the home.

Even so, there was a lot of resistance when Chinese women were forced to remove the bindings. With the bindings in place, they could only hobble along; without the bindings, it was impossible to do even that without painful cramps and spasms.

Be that as it may, Chinese footbinding was a health and productivity issue. In most cases, wearing a veil is not. So, once again, it’s extremely arrogant of you to assume that you know what’s best for conservative Muslim women, without bothering to consult them.

Remind me again why you think that making decisions FOR them, based on what YOU think best, is a good way of liberating them.

Olivia
Member

Just as the ancient “art” of foot binding is voluntary, because of 2000 years of indoctrination!
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Footbinding involved painful (and permanent) crippling of the foot, which is a good deal more drastic than the custom of covering one’s face when outside the home.

Even so, there was a lot of resistance when Chinese women were forced to remove the bindings. With the bindings in place, they could only hobble along; without the bindings, it was impossible to do even that without painful cramps and spasms.

Be that as it may, Chinese footbinding was a health and productivity issue. In most cases, wearing a veil is not. So, once again, it’s extremely arrogant of you to assume that YOU know what’s best for conservative Muslim women, without bothering to consult them.

Remind me again why you think that making decisions FOR them, based on what YOU think best, is a good way of empowering women.

hisham
Guest

Oh man, that was two 3rd thumbs down in a row for the same person! Do I get some sort of a prize for that?

Olivia
Member

Oh man, that was two 3rd thumbs down in a row for the same person! Do I get some sort of a prize for that?

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Works for me. How about the prize for “Dittohead Most Likely To Conform”?

drb
Member

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here you go 😉

KimmyQueen
Guest

Nice of you DRB!

KimmyQueen
Guest

Poppa has a star out there that he may be able to provide you and in addition our thanks for a job well done!

poppajoe49
Member

Chinese footbinding was a health and productivity issue

Are you freaking insane? You should do a little research before you shove your foot in your mouth!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding

What is clear is that foot binding was first practiced among the elite and only in the wealthiest parts of China, which suggests that binding the feet of well-born girls represented their freedom from manual labor and, at the same time, the ability of their husbands to afford wives who did not need to work, who existed solely to serve their men and direct household servants while performing no labor themselves.[7][8][9] The economic and social attractions of such women may well have translated into sexual desirability among elite men.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

All this time I thought it was so they would only have to make one size shoe for the women.

You know, I’ll bet there are a few reading here that don’t see the humor intended with that. That’s funny, too!

Olivia
Member

All this time I thought it was so they would only have to make one size shoe for the women.

You know, I’ll bet there are a few reading here that don’t see the humor intended with that. That’s funny, too!

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Not really. There was an ideal size and shape for the bound foot (called Golden Lotus), but most fell short of that ideal—-too big, too wide, too leathery, too scarred, not properly bowed, toes missing and so on.

Shoes were handmade, custom fitted to the foot and highly decorated. They weren’t very sturdy, because these women did very little walking. Their feet were intended to be used as sex toys, not to carry them from one place to another.

KimmyQueen
Guest

My first Olivia Tur of the day!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

I’m glad you got that turd covered before I got here this morning. I figured it would jump all over my little racist or sexist or whatever ist my remark was and sure enough, she squatted on it in about an hour. That’s funny, TOO!!!

Olivia
Member

Chinese footbinding was a health and productivity issue

Are you freaking insane? You should do a little research before you shove your foot in your mouth!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding

What is clear is that foot binding was first practiced among the elite and only in the wealthiest parts of China, which suggests that binding the feet of well-born girls represented their freedom from manual labor and, at the same time, the ability of their husbands to afford wives who did not need to work, who existed solely to serve their men and direct household servants while performing no labor themselves.[7][8][9] The economic and social attractions of such women may well have translated into sexual desirability among elite men.

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Uh….Poppajoe? I HAVE studied Chinese footbinding quite extensively, and not from Wikipedia, either. It was a major research project of mine back in college. I don’t need the likes of you to lecture me on the subject.

Footbinding was indeed a health and productivity issue. Women with bound feet could not do any work; they were essentially status symbols for their (affluent) husbands. Unfortunately, if the husband lost his wealth, or died and left the wife penniless, she had no choice but to do whatever kind of work she could—-not easy, when she couldn’t walk without hanging on to walls or leaning on two canes for support.

As for health: these women were at high risk for gangrene and other foot ailments, since their circulation was very poor. I’ve read stories of women whose toes turned black and fell off, as a result of the tight bindings required to get their feet down to the all-important three inch model. Other women told sad stories of being beaten and threatened by mothers (or, more typically, mothers-in-law) when, as little girls, they resisted the painful, bone-breaking binding and rebinding to shape their feet to the desired model.

So there were practical reasons to eliminate footbinding for good. No such practical reasons (other than, perhaps, preventing visual impairment for women who drive) exists for banning facial veils. It’s 99% fear and prejudice.

poppajoe49
Member

OK, I misread your post. The way I read it, it seemed that you meant it was done to improve health and productivity. I apologize for the confusion.

Olivia
Member

I’m glad you got that turd covered before I got here this morning. I figured it would jump all over my little racist or sexist or whatever ist my remark was and sure enough, she squatted on it in about an hour. That’s funny, TOO!!!
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Used-to-be-Dean, I said nothing about racism or sexism in my response. I just pointed out your colossal ignorance on this topic. That ignorance was so easy to spot and point out that I wouldn’t have had time to “squat,” even if I’d wanted to.

Why are so many far righters so proud of sounding like ignoramuses?

brm
Member

Oooh, the evil twin is with us today! How SPECIAL!

poppajoe49
Member

By the way Olivia, how magnanimous of you to accept my apology. Last time I’ll make that mistake!

Olivia
Member

Funny troll. We don’t know what’s best for THEM and we never said we did.
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BS, Sugar Britches. It shines through in your attitude, every time you enter a discussion about Muslim women. How, for example, do you feel about Muslim women wishing to have civil disputes settled in Sharia court? 😛
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In fact, to use one of your very own circular arguments against you, YOU made the accusation so now please provide the proof where anyone on this website claimed that they know what is best for Muslimas.
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“Muslimas”? What’s that, the Islam counterpart to “Jewesses” and “Negresses”?

To answer your question, YOU did, Barb, on the John Lennon thread. Not only did you make some very smarmy (and narrow minded) remarks about traditional Muslim dress, but you boasted about a “fine Muslim gentleman” you know, taking care to point out that he and his family were “completely Western.” Thus insinuating that he earned your respect by conforming to the stereotypical middle class suburban white ‘Murkan family.

You’re too much of a coward to state your prejudices outright, but you do plenty of hinting. Sneering remarks about “body bags,” in reference to burqas, is evidence enough of that.

By the way, I’m convinced that most of you righties haven’t the foggiest idea what “circular arguments” or “straw men arguments” are. I see you using those terms to death, and most of the time you’re using them incorrectly. Do you guys ever crack open a book, or do you ALWAYS get your talking points from talk radio heroes?

brm
Member

“Sneering remarks about “body bags,” in reference to burqas, is evidence enough of that. ”

Calling bullshit on you again, Oblivia.

Let me do this in Mango Tango for you:

The term is niqab. A niqab covers the entire body including the face except for a slit for the eyes, or in the extreme radical “garment”, it has a slit for only one eye.

You keep referring to a burqa. A burqa is, as you so quaintly put it, a black loose fitting “traditional” garment. It is not a niqab, which is what I am talking about, but you keep circling back to the burqa without ever addressing the niqab.

Why is that? Why are you avoiding the eye-slit niqab? Are you having difficulty defending the indefensible?

I don’t know why you mock my Muslim friend and his family. I guess a middle class family of a color other than pink isn’t your idea of a “real” American family. Not very tolerant of you, I must say.

BTW, Muslima is the proper term. If you had taken the time to SPEAK to Muslim women, you would have known that. 😉

brm
Member

“How, for example, do you feel about Muslim women wishing to have civil disputes settled in Sharia court? ”

I am very much opposed to it and I have expressed that on numerous occasions. For a troll that admonishes us to listen to women, it certainly has great difficulty practicing what it preaches. Curious, hmm?

So let me say it again. I’ll speak s-l–o-w-l-y. 😉

I am a strong supporter of banning Sharia. Disputes, civil or otherwise, settled by Sharia law would not be subject to secular court review and Islamic justice would be meted out behind closed doors. That is completely unacceptable.

Wonder why it is so pro-Sharia?

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

I wonder what dispute there could possibly be that a women who has no rights unless expressly given by her father or husband, she would rather have conducted by the imam of the mosque that the man who owns her attends yet that she is not allowed to pray in? There aren’t many, unless the woman is soundly oppressed and believes that they will kill her if she were to turn away from sharia, because that is what the koran says they must do.

Suggesting sharia coexist with the Constitution is no different than allowing Salem to restart the witch trials.

Olivia
Member

I wonder what dispute there could possibly be that a women who has no rights unless expressly given by her father or husband, she would rather have conducted by the imam of the mosque that the man who owns her attends yet that she is not allowed to pray in?
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American Muslim women have the same civil rights and liberties that all American women enjoy, Used-to-be-Dean.

That’s what the Constitution is for. Did you not realize that no civil court can undo those rights?

poppajoe49
Member

American Muslim women have the same civil rights and liberties that all American women enjoy

They HAVE all those rights, but their ability to exercise them is another story. Remember this too, the Muslim women you say you talked to are restricted from sharing their personal experiences with you, they are only allowed to toe the “company line” or risk punishment.
If being a Muslim woman is such a joy, then how do you explain this?
http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2011/07/usa-today-muslim-woman-says-feds-should-force-mosques-to-end-gender-apartheid.php

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

In the sharia, U.S. Constitutional rights do not enjoy credibility. They actually run diametrically opposite in most regards, especially as it pertains to the rights of women. If you don’t know, you’ll find out.

Olivia
Member

“Sneering remarks about “body bags,” in reference to burqas, is evidence enough of that. ”

Calling bullshit on you again, Oblivia.

Let me do this in Mango Tango for you:

The term is niqab. A niqab covers the entire body including the face except for a slit for the eyes
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No, Barb, a niqab is by definition a face veil. It can be of varying lengths, and it is generally worn with long flowing garments, but its purpose is to cover the face, not the body.
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, or in the extreme radical “garment”, it has a slit for only one eye.

You keep referring to a burqa. A burqa is, as you so quaintly put it, a black loose fitting “traditional” garment. It is not a niqab, which is what I am talking about, but you keep circling back to the burqa without ever addressing the niqab.

Why is that? Why are you avoiding the eye-slit niqab? Are you having difficulty defending the indefensible?
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Oh, dear, Barb. If only you’d learn not to take that arrogant attitude with me, you wouldn’t keep getting your butt kicked. You see, a burqa is MORE concealing than a niqab. It covers the wearer from head to toe (yes, that includes the face!) and has NO eye slits at all. (It has a semitransparent fabric screen to look out of.)

So, no, I wasn’t trying to avoid talking about veiling the face. But I think somebody was trying to pull a fast one here, because we were talking about your sneering “body bag” remark, not just facial coverings.

Anyway, as I stated earlier, Muslim women are individuals, just as Christian women are, and have varying attitudes about traditional Muslim dress. The Koran requires them to conceal arms, legs, chests and hair for the sake of modesty; some interpret this more strictly than others.

To claim that ALL Muslim women who cover their faces in public are abused and repressed makes no more sense than claiming that all Christian women who wear shorts and tank tops are liberated. It’s just another one of those stereotypes so dear to the hearts of far righters.

Here’s just one of many interesting articles on the subject—articles that actually asked the women for their viewpoints, instead of just jumping to conclusions about them: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/fashion/13veil.html?adxnnl=1&ref=muslimveiling&adxnnlx=1310870856-9OrPxcLxWAgZUOS6grVtDw&pagewanted=1
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I don’t know why you mock my Muslim friend and his family. I guess a middle class family of a color other than pink isn’t your idea of a “real” American family. Not very tolerant of you, I must say.
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Relax, Ms. Palin Wannabe (with all this talk of “mocking”)—no one’s “mocking” your friend, or claiming that he isn’t “real.” I’m just pointing out that it’s rather shallow of you to make an issue of the degree of his conformity to YOUR cultural expectations. It’s kind of like claiming to have a very nice Jewish family living next to you, and then hastening to boast that they don’t keep kosher, and that the males in the family never wear yarmulkes. If this family is as nice as you claim, why would you even care what they wear, or whether the activities they enjoy are “western” enough?

By the way, did you not know that some Muslims are “pink”? Turkish Muslims, for example, don’t all have dark hair and olive complexions; some even have light colored hair and blue, green or hazel eyes. (So do some American Muslims, as mentioned in the article I provided.) I simply can’t imagine why you’d assume I would know what color your neighbor’s skin was, when Muslims come in all sorts of colors. Bit of stereotyping going on there? 😉
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BTW, Muslima is the proper term. If you had taken the time to SPEAK to Muslim women, you would have known that.
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I have spoken to Muslim women many times, Barb. Most of them that I’ve known just call themselves “women.” Who’d a thunk it? 😉

brm
Member

“The Koran requires them to conceal arms, legs, chests and hair for the sake of modesty; some interpret this more strictly than others.”

Uhmmm, actually it doesn’t. Please provide evidence from the Qur’an that supports that statement.

As for face coverings, the chador covers the entire face, not the buraq. But why are you dancing around the issue? Because you took offense at my calling it a “body bag”? I am equally offended by you referring to it as “long, loose black traditional garments”. So I guess we are both offended.

For the sake of argument, which must be a phrase you love, let’s just refer to a full face and body covering with an eye-slit as, let’s see, how about “a full face and body covering with an eye-slit”. There. No room for “misunderstanding”.

Why do you think this is a good idea in any way and why do you continue to defend it?

“I have spoken to Muslim women many times, Barb. Most of them that I’ve known just call themselves “women.” Who’d a thunk it?”

Yeah right. You finally checked “Muslima” online and found that you got your ass kicked. Again. Poor troll.

Olivia
Member

“The Koran requires them to conceal arms, legs, chests and hair for the sake of modesty; some interpret this more strictly than others.”
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Uhmmm, actually it doesn’t. Please provide evidence from the Qur’an that supports that statement.
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In the Quran: ” And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display theri beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw theri veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, fathers, husbands’ fathers, sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women or the slaves whom their right hand possess or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! Turn ye all together towards Allah(S.W.T) that ye may attain Bliss (Surah 24:31)……

The following is a Tradition of the Prophet (Hadith):

“Ayesha (R) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (R) came to the Messenger of Allah (S) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: ‘O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands.” (Abu Dawood) http://www.islamic-world.net/sister/what_allah_states.htm
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As for face coverings, the chador covers the entire face, not the buraq.
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Wrong again, Barb. Must I keep spoon feeding you information? http://www.zarinas.com/burqas.shtml
http://www.zarinas.com/chador.shtml
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But why are you dancing around the issue? Because you took offense at my calling it a “body bag”? I am equally offended by you referring to it as “long, loose black traditional garments”. So I guess we are both offended.
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What’s offensive about referring to long, loose traditional garments as long, loose traditional garments, Barb? Isn’t that description bigoted enough for you? Or were you taking exception to the term “black”? Okay—-I admit that not all burqas are black.
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For the sake of argument, which must be a phrase you love, let’s just refer to a full face and body covering with an eye-slit as, let’s see, how about “a full face and body covering with an eye-slit”. There. No room for “misunderstanding”.
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Works for me. Except that, as I pointed out earlier, not all traditional Muslim garments that cover the full face and body have “eye slits.”
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Why do you think this is a good idea in any way and why do you continue to defend it?
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I just love it when you far righters unconsciously expose your misconceptions in this way. Apparently you’ve got the notion in your heads that political opinions should be all about self-interest——for example, that I must be defending full body coverage for Muslim women because I think it’s “a good idea.”

In fact, I don’t think it’s a “good idea” or a bad one. Nor does it matter what I think. This is a free country, Barb, and Muslim women are entitled to dress as they please, just as you are and I am. As I said earlier, I don’t particularly relish seeing morbidly obese men dressing like Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee during the summer, but I fully defend their right to do so, if that’s what they want to wear. Odd how the far right boasts about loving freedom and the Constitution, but is so opposed to that freedom extending to selected American women.
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“I have spoken to Muslim women many times, Barb. Most of them that I’ve known just call themselves “women.” Who’d a thunk it?”
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Yeah right. You finally checked “Muslima” online and found that you got your ass kicked. Again. Poor troll.
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I didn’t have to check it, Barb. It was obvious where you were getting the term. Now, why don’t you start acting like a good Christiana, and stop repeating misinformation and false accusations? 😀

poppajoe49
Member

Yeah right. You finally checked “Muslima” online and found that you got your ass kicked. Again. Poor troll.
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I didn’t have to check it, Barb. It was obvious where you were getting the term. Now, why don’t you start acting like a good Christiana, and stop repeating misinformation and false accusations?
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Yea, they don’t call them Muslima, that’s why they have a dating website!!!

http://www.muslima.com/
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And it’s not in a dictionary either!

muslimah – 1 dictionary result
muslimah
noun
a Muslim woman
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
Cite This Source

ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. Muslimah – a Muslim woman
Moslem, Muslim – a believer in or follower of Islam
niqaabi – an observant Muslim woman who covers her face and hands when in public or in the presence of any man outside her immediate family

Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
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And the liberal encyclopedia……..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim

EtymologySee also: Islam#Etymology and meaning
A muslim (Arabic: مسلم‎, IPA: [ˈmʊslɪm]; English /ˈmʌzlɨm/, /ˈmʊzlɨm/, /ˈmʊslɨm/ or moslem /ˈmɒzləm/, /ˈmɒzləm/[2]) is the participle of the same verb of which islām is the infinitive.[14]

A female adherent is a muslima (Arabic: مسلمة‎).
The plural form in Arabic is muslimūn (مسلمون), and its feminine equivalent is muslimāt (مسلمات).
The Arabic form muslimun is the stem IV participle[15] of the triliteral S-L-M “to be whole, intact”.
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and they don’t have a lifestyle website either!

http://www.todaysmuslimah.com/

brm
Member

Oh, poor sweet troll.

Your evidence that the Qur’an instructs women to cover themselves entirely, including the face, is this??

“…and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to …”

Oblivia, unless you’re a bigger freak than we already suspect, do you have a nose, mouth, forehead and chin on YOUR bosom?

Why did you skip right over the “EXCEPT WHAT (MUST ORDINARILY) APPEAR …”? which would be A FACE. I’m sure you feel it is “ordinary” to cover the face in our society, but as previously mentioned, you are a freak.

And thanks for including the Hadith that very clearly states that the face and hands MUST be UNCOVERED. Nice to have you on my team.

You seem to enjoy shopping – here’s a place where you can find chadors.

http://www.zarinas.com/chador.shtml

This one is particularly frightening:
http://www.salaficlothing.com/chador.htm

How charming, eh?

But I can absolutely see your point that all the Muslim women who wear these “traditional garments” (especially that stunner in example #2) must OBVIOUSLY be agreeable to wearing them and are doing so of their own free choice.

I don’t know why I ever doubted you. Thank you for showing me the light!

/snork

drb
Member

Barb…surly you have used up that nub of mango tango by now. Poppa, on the other hand, must have bought the big box of crayons with the built-in sharpener.

Olivia
Member

Your evidence that the Qur’an instructions women to cover themselves entirely, including the face, is this??
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As Fred Gwynne said in My Cousin Vinny, “Once again, communication has broken down.”

I never claimed that the Koran instructs women to cover their faces, Barb. I stated, ““The Koran requires them to conceal arms, legs, chests and hair for the sake of modesty; some interpret this more strictly than others.” Why are you now trying to spin that into something else?

There is nothing in Roman Catholic doctrine requiring women to pledge perpetual virginity, live in cloister, or wear long garments with veils, either. Yet some Catholic women choose to do this, in the belief that giving themselves so completely to God will bring them closer to Him. I don’t have a problem with this, if it’s what they choose to do—-do you? If not, then why do you keep on obsessing and haranguing about a tiny percentage of American Muslim women who choose to veil their faces in public? What is it taking away from YOU, if a devout Muslim woman—pardon me, “Muslimah”—–chooses to interpret her religion’s instructions more strictly than some of her peers do?
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…..Oblivia, unless you’re a bigger freak than we already suspect, do you have a nose, mouth, forehead and chin on YOUR bosom?
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Your efforts to be funny fall a little flat, when it’s obvious you weren’t paying attention to what I posted, Barb. Next time, maybe you ought to read what I’ve written, before firing off one of your arrogant retorts. It would save you some embarrassment later on.
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……And thanks for including the Hadith that very clearly states that the face and hands MUST be UNCOVERED. Nice to have you on my team.
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Where did it say they “MUST be UNCOVERED,” Barb? Could you provide a direct quote, since that instruction doesn’t seem to be part of the teachings I posted here?

And what do you mean, your “team”? This isn’t a competition. If it were, neither of us would qualify as players or coaches, because we’re not Muslim religious scholars or leaders.
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You seem to enjoy shopping – here’s a place where you can find chadors.
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Uh…yes, Barb. That’s the very same link I provided for YOU, to show that you were incorrect about chadors being a facial covering. I guess you didn’t bother to click on that link, either, huh? 😉
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http://www.zarinas.com/chador.shtml

This one is particularly frightening:
http://www.salaficlothing.com/chador.htm

How charming, eh?
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Its purpose isn’t to “charm” angry far right wingers, Barb. Its purpose is to conceal its wearer from prying eyes.
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But I can absolutely see your point that all the Muslim women who wear these “traditional garments” (especially that stunner in example #2) must OBVIOUSLY be agreeable to wearing them and are doing so of their own free choice.
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I never said “all,” Barb. It’s possible that some Muslim women have dictatorial spouses, just as some Christians do. But it’s naive to assume that all Muslim women who cover their faces in public are doing so because they’re oppressed or abused.

Believe it or not, not everyone in the world is eager to copy modern American casual wear. That might sound downright treasonous to those who have been pumped full of self-esteem by right wing media heroes, and want to believe that American pop culture is the epitome of what the whole world is striving for, but it’s not true..

Apparently you didn’t bother to read the very interesting article I posted for you. If you had, you’d realize that one reason some Muslim women choose to cover themselves is to avoid being judged by their physical features. (That’s the same reason some religious orders continue with traditional, full length habits that conceal arms, legs, chests and hair.) They don’t subscribe to that very western notion of judging women by their looks, their figure or the elegance of their clothes.

No one said you have to like that philosophy. No one said you have to think traditional Muslim garments are flattering or practical or the kind of thing you’d like to wear yourself. You see, that’s the beauty (and also the price) of living in a free society. It means that you can wear whatever you please (within certain health, decency and safety guidelines), and that others can do likewise, without being harassed or arrested. But you don’t get to dictate that everyone else must emulate you, or demand that laws be created to stop them from wearing garments that you think look “frightening.”

It’s simply fascinating to me how so many of you righties have a problem with extending the same freedoms to other Americans that you demand for yourselves. But, once again, it’s the old “I’ve got mine, scr*w you” mentality at work.

brm
Member

“Where did it say they “MUST be UNCOVERED,” Barb? ”

The hadith you quoted, silly troll.

“When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands”

It is not proper that the face and hands be covered.

Therefore the face and hands must be uncovered.

Damn, damn, damn. There goes the last of my Mango Tango!

Olivia
Member

American Muslim women have the same civil rights and liberties that all American women enjoy

They HAVE all those rights, but their ability to exercise them is another story. Remember this too, the Muslim women you say you talked to are restricted from sharing their personal experiences with you, they are only allowed to toe the “company line” or risk punishment.
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Classic, logic-free, airtight bigotry. If Muslim women criticize their religion, you immediately jump to the conclusion that that means it’s no good. If they DON’T criticize it, you immediately jump to the conclusion that they’d like to, but aren’t allowed to, and that therefore their religion is no good.

And you truly don’t see why such preconceived notions are likely to lead you in the wrong direction?
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If being a Muslim woman is such a joy, then how do you explain this?
http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2011/07/usa-today-muslim-woman-says-feds-should-force-mosques-to-end-gender-apartheid.php
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Well, first, I never made any comment about Islam being “a joy.” You’re doing the same thing Barb did—-assuming that the only reason to take a particular position on an issue is self-interest.

I’d “explain” this the same way I would explain differences of opinion in ANY religion: people are individuals, and they don’t all have cookie cutter viewpoints.

In the Catholic church, for example, some people still cling to the Tridentine Mass, and pre-Vatican II traditions like keeping meatless Fridays and long fasts before Communion. Others think that such restrictions are oppressive. Some Catholics (nuns, too!) don’t buy the idea that the Pope is infallible, and think that the priesthood should be open to women, married men and openly gay people. Others bitterly oppose such ideas.

You’re taking the same black-and-white thinking approach that’s so common on the far right: assuming that, because Islam is sometimes sharply criticized by those who practice it, it must be no good. In fact, you’ve just disproved your own position, that Muslim women aren’t allowed the freedom to speak up in public.

By the way: orthodox Jews, Apostolic Christians and Hindus all have traditions of separating men and women during worship serviced. Were you of the opinion that they, too, are oppressed, and just not allowed to speak up about it?

Olivia
Member

Yeah right. You finally checked “Muslima” online and found that you got your ass kicked. Again. Poor troll.
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I didn’t have to check it, Barb. It was obvious where you were getting the term. Now, why don’t you start acting like a good Christiana, and stop repeating misinformation and false accusations?
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Yea, they don’t call them Muslima, that’s why they have a dating website!!!

http://www.muslima.com/
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Poppajoe, I didn’t say the word doesn’t exist, or that some people don’t use it. My point was that it’s a tad archaic, especially among a bunch of reactionaries, to feminize nouns in such a way.

By the way, how can there possibly be a Muslim dating service? Didn’t you just claim that Muslim women—-pardon me, “Muslimas”—–don’t have any rights? 😉

poppajoe49
Member

My point was that it’s a tad archaic, especially among a bunch of reactionaries, to feminize nouns in such a way.

and they don’t have a lifestyle website either!

http://www.todaysmuslimah.com/

Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?

KimmyQueen
Guest

Poppa,

Have I told you how much I ENJOY your killing ways as it comes to the troll? Uhm… is like who NEEDS TV when I can be so fully entertained here?

poppajoe49
Member

Have I told you how much I ENJOY your killing ways

Thank you, thank you, I’ll be here all week!
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brm
Member

“It was obvious where you were getting the term.”

Uh, yeah. From the Arab word for female Muslim. Duh.

What do YOU think it means? Something derogatory, I’m sure.

brm
Member

“Didn’t you just claim that Muslim women—-pardon me, “Muslimas”—–don’t have any rights? ”

Only if you and NOW have your way and allow Sharia into America.

Olivia
Member

“Where did it say they “MUST be UNCOVERED,” Barb? ”

The hadith you quoted, silly troll.

“When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands”

It is not proper that the face and hands be covered.

Therefore the face and hands must be uncovered.
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You’re spinning again, Barb. It does NOT say that it’s improper to cover the face and hands—that was YOUR invention, by turning the quote backwards, upside down and inside out. It says only that it’s improper to leave OTHER parts uncovered.

Nice try, but it sounds to me as if you’d better get some education on this topic before shooting off your mouth any more than you’ve already done.

(I love this—the far right has had their self-esteem pumped up so much by their media heroes that they now think they know more about Muslim religious doctrine than those who actually practice it……..)

brm
Member

“You’re spinning again, Barb. It does NOT say that it’s improper to cover the face and hands … It says only that it’s improper to leave OTHER parts uncovered.”

No dear, it doesn’t.

But naturally a troll who doesn’t know what “f*ck Obama” means would be equally confused when trying to interpret what “not proper” means.

Let me help.

Not proper = improper.

Don’t you just hate it when your Hadiths come back to bite you in the ass?

Now scurry off and enjoy your day. Maybe a bit of shopping? I think you’d look simply stunning in some traditional loose fitting garments, aye?

http://www.salaficlothing.com/chador.htm

Olivia
Member

“You’re spinning again, Barb. It does NOT say that it’s improper to cover the face and hands … It says only that it’s improper to leave OTHER parts uncovered.”

No dear, it doesn’t.
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Wrong again, sugar pie—read it again. Nowhere does it state that Muslim women can’t cover their faces and hands if they choose. It would be pretty stupid if it did, since it would mean that Muslim women would never be able to wear gloves, or to shield their faces from cold weather or dust storms.

But it’s a moot point, because Muslim women who wish to veil their faces in public, like Catholic nuns who wish to wear traditional habits and live in perpetual enclosure, have the right to practice their religion as they see fit.

As long as they’re not interfering with anyone else’s civil rights and liberties, it’s THEIR choice to make—-and they’re not obligated to explain or justify it to you or anyone else.

Show’s over, Barb, and there’s nothing to see. There never was. So maybe it’s time for you to move along, and find someone else’s private business to interfere with?

drb
Member

Dang, are you still on this thread? I thought this one was put down.

poppajoe49
Member

drb, you know the liberal mantra, never waste a chance to spew liberal blather, you might just convert someone.

drb
Member

Well dern, Poppa, maybe we should go back to the John Lennon/billing and coding 101 thread then.

brm
Member

“Wrong again, sugar pie—read it again.”

Oh my little turnip twaddler, of course I’m right and everytime I read it, I see that I’m right again.

“O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands.”

And don’t think I’m not grateful for all your hard work in providing the evidence that led to your defeat, because I AM! That’s why we’re BFFs!! 🙂

KimmyQueen
Guest

This is the thing: I don’t mind if she ends up 200 pounds. I would defend her right to be fat if she wants to be. We have had fat Presidents and first ladies. It is what it is. If only she would keep her mouth shut and she was campaigning for something else (like women’s education and literacy in children = First Lady Laura Bush for example). The only problem that I have with her on this score is that she is telling ME and US all that we are all fat or else that a good number of us are fat and that our kids are fat and our choices are wrong and how we need to better for our health and our kids’ health. She then puts HER OWN DAUGHTERS as example of fatness in America YET she has says all of this and has the gall to go eat a high calorie fat riddle lunch and who knows how much of that she eats a week, she has gained a lot of weight and she looks terrible in couture dresses. She is not fooling me. She cannot tell me that I got a problem and she is all good. She can’t stand there and pontificate about how we are all fat and then gooble down fast food and gain weight and look like a heifer. Na-ah she ain’t playing like that without me saying something about it.

Olivia
Member

Oh, crap. Who am I trying to kid? There hasn’t been a troll so easily pistoff before!
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Now, this is funny. YOU’RE accusing ME of being “pistoff” (sic), yet you and your far right buddies can’t stop talking about me. 😀

But that’s not too hard to understand, actually. After all, how many times can you all keep giggling and snorting, “Moochelle is fat! Moochelle is fat!” before you bore each other to death? 😉

hisham
Guest

Oblovia, that’s why we have you around. I mean, stop for a second and think about it; after all, you are a perfect candidate for Ferrous Cranus and since I’m pretty sure you have your thick skull firmly embedded up that magnetic ass of yours, you will never be able to pull your head out of your ass without our help! This could work in your favor you know. Just saying…I gave you a thumbs up the other day and my right forefinger is still numb!

Sidekick
Member

“Moochelle is fat! Moochelle is fat!” before you bore each other to death? 😉
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You’re still here?! As long as the sycophantic liberals keep saying that the Obama’s are transformative in all ways, then we will call out that the emperor/empress have no clothes. I refer you back to the piece in “Esquire” for an example of truly boring prose:

“Because twenty years from now, we’re going to look back on this time as a glorious idyll in American politics, with a confident, intelligent, fascinating president riding the surge of his prodigious talents from triumph to triumph. Whatever happens this fall or next, the summer of 2011 is the summer of Obama.”

This is why I will never get bored of making fun of the Obama’s nor their bootlickers.

Olivia
Member

Moochelle is fat! Moochelle is fat!” before you bore each other to death?
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You’re still here?! As long as the sycophantic liberals keep saying that the Obama’s are transformative in all ways, then we will call out that the emperor/empress have no clothes. I refer you back to the piece in “Esquire” for an example of truly boring prose:

“Because twenty years from now, we’re going to look back on this time as a glorious idyll in American politics, with a confident, intelligent, fascinating president riding the surge of his prodigious talents from triumph to triumph. Whatever happens this fall or next, the summer of 2011 is the summer of Obama.”

This is why I will never get bored of making fun of the Obama’s nor their bootlickers.

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And that’s why you’ll continue to sound like the pimply class wallflower making fun of the homecoming king.

Knock yourself out. The only image you’re hurting is your own. 😉

Sidekick
Member

Obama is the Homecoming King? That is awesome, Olivia. You are a pathetic wretch, you know that?

Olivia
Member

Obama is the Homecoming King? That is awesome, Olivia. You are a pathetic wretch, you know that?

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Not at all. Obama was elected to the most powerful and prestigious job in the land, and your resentment over that DOES sound exactly like a disgruntled wallflower.

Sidekick
Member

So were Reagan and both Bushes. Were they Homecoming Kings too? You have to say yes to that for your thesis to hold up. I do resent an incompetent no experienced, Marxist being elected to the most powerful and prestigious job in the world. Or at least it used to be until he diminished that prestige. You want to debate me constructively on that? You will lose.

poppajoe49
Member

You want to debate me constructively on that? You will lose.

No, she wants to debate you using straw-man arguments and hyperbole.

Olivia
Member

So were Reagan and both Bushes. Were they Homecoming Kings too? You have to say yes to that for your thesis to hold up. I do resent an incompetent no experienced, Marxist being elected to the most powerful and prestigious job in the world. Or at least it used to be until he diminished that prestige. You want to debate me constructively on that? You will lose.

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Honey, if you try to start ANY debate by calling Obama a Marxist, you’ve already lost. 😉

As for your “no experience” charge: can you list some specific skills, that are essential to the presidency, that cannot be acquired on the job, and that Obama lacks (but Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and Herman Cain possess)?

Of course you can’t, because that’s a bogus talking point. You righties dutifully use it to death whenever it’s fed to you, but none of you can specify what it means, except by repeating the same vague charge with slightly different words.

As for the Bushes and Reagan: where do you see me flinging juvenile insults at any of them? My criticism of Bush Jr. has been about his dishonesty, his reckless spending, his swaggering-cowboy demeanor that so irritated much of the world, and the way he drove our economy into a ditch. My main criticism regarding Reagan (other than his trickle-down economics, that set the stage for the mess we’re in today) has been the far right’s effort to canonize him. I don’t deny that he had a fine stage presence, though, and great persuasive ability. In fact, I’ve got to admit that he never really showed just what a good actor he was, until he got to Washington.

I’ve never criticized Bush Sr. at all on this board. He’s a decent, well-meaning guy, and I figure he’s got troubles enough, without having to put up with pointless bashing to boot.

By the way: I travel to Europe every year, and I’ve noticed a huge difference in American prestige abroad, since Bush went back to Crawford. Back during Bush’s second term, there was even talk on travel boards that Americans traveling abroad should consider leaving the U.S. flag decals, pins and T shirts at home (some even went so far as to suggest pasting a Canadian flag decal on one’s suitcase), to avoid being treated coldly by the locals. In fact, I was on the receiving end of that kind of coldness a few times. But I haven’t seen it at all since 2009.

You should put it to the test some time. Instead of sitting on your haunches in Bugtussle, Texas, constantly reassuring yourself that Obama has ruined this nation’s reputation, try traveling abroad and asking a few people what they think of our president, as compared to our predecessor.

In about 10 minutes, you’ll discover what I already knew—that the Obamaphobic right wing media has been lying to you.
(Which is exactly why you’d never have the guts to put it to the test in the first place.)

poppajoe49
Member

can you list some specific skills, that are essential to the presidency, that cannot be acquired on the job

So, by using your theory, I am qualified to be President.
OK, I’m announcing my bid as a write in candidate for President.
poppajoe49 in ’12!!

Olivia
Member

can you list some specific skills, that are essential to the presidency, that cannot be acquired on the job
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So, by using your theory, I am qualified to be President.
OK, I’m announcing my bid as a write in candidate for President.
poppajoe49 in ’12!!
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So are you saying that you can’t come up with that list of specific skills?

Why not just man up and admit to it, instead of trying to shift focus?

poppajoe49
Member

instead of trying to shift focus?

This from a woman that shifts like a trucker with a 15 speed tranny?

drb
Member

Turds!!!

TOM COTTER
Guest

moochelle sure does have an appetite for ribs that is for sure!

poppajoe49
Member

So,THIS is where Oblivious has been spending her day!

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hisham
Guest

I’m thinking:
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pretty much sums it up!

perlcat
Member

I’m tellin’ ya, it’s more like this:

http://www.flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm

drb
Member

Perhaps, a combo of all 3.

hisham
Guest

You could have a point there: Ferrous Cranus up Squarus Anus!

drb
Member

with a tin foil hat to boot.

Buzzsaw
Guest

Obama and his Ho should move. Out of the White house and in to the Nevada desert never to return to decent society.

David Bishop
Member

Referring to Michelle as a “ho”? Seriously, please go to Huffington Post and go join all of the rabid miscreants over there.

I farted and my face blew up
Guest
I farted and my face blew up

I couldn’t care less about childhood obesity….and I’ve only been to fast food places like 4 times in my life. Maybe I should be the first lady??? hmmmm…..

Someone get me fishnet’s, a pink thong (yes, I’ll tuck the bulge), and cue “Happy Birthday Mr. President”…..I’m feeling lucky tonight!

Larry
Guest

Liberal puts herself in the front of an agenda as the self appointed spokesperson and tells the masses how we are supposed to live our lives and how we must raise our children. Media fawns over liberal for her massive capacity for benevolent care and concern and ability to “raise awareness”. In true liberal form said liberal then lives her life contrary to agenda she is pushing for the lowly masses. Conservatives are identified as mean spirited and evil for pointing out the duplicity and hypocrisy of this behavior. Remember the mantra for liberals….”Do as I say, not as I do”.

perlcat
Member

She wants to feed the public the bullshit she won’t swallow.

Olivia
Member

Liberal puts herself in the front of an agenda as the self appointed spokesperson and tells the masses how we are supposed to live our lives and how we must raise our children.
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Nonsense again. Where do you people get this stuff? No one is telling you how to live your live, or how you must raise your children. She’s merely trying to encourage kids to prevent obesity, and to make sure they have the opportunity to eat healthy foods at school, as well as at home. Suppose you explain why you think it’s a bad idea for kids to be encouraged to exercise, and to choose healthy foods.

Sidekick
Member

Nothing is wrong when it is encouraged by an actual fitness “guru”. People like Jack Lalane, Chuck Norris, and even Richard Simmons are far better fitness role models than Michelle Obama.

Olivia
Member

Nothing is wrong when it is encouraged by an actual fitness “guru”. People like Jack Lalane, Chuck Norris, and even Richard Simmons are far better fitness role models than Michelle Obama.
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Not true. Michelle Obama is very physically fit. But you don’t seem to realize it, because you’re too busy screeching over the fact that she occasionally enjoys a hamburger and French fries.

Sidekick
Member

Did I screech? Prove she is fit or STFU?

poppajoe49
Member

http://www.examiner.com/michelle-obama-in-national/michelle-obama-101-how-much-weight-has-michelle-obama-gained-since-the-election-poll-slideshow

Michelle Obama 101: How much weight has Michelle Obama gained since the election?

Clifford Bryan
, Michelle Obama Examiner
August 20, 2009

Michelle Obama my beloved First lady has stated publicly that she wants to concentrate on raising Malia and Sasha right now and playing hostess . Nothing wrong with that , I think she is doing a wonderful job setting an example for women all over the world of what a good wife is .

Michelle Obama is far from being in fighting shape , and it has me wondering if I made the right decision back in January . Now is not the time for our Democratic leaders to get lazy on us . I did a little digging and found the menu for the main course at the first state dinner the Obama’s held for Governor’s . I want to share it with you because I think it will shed some light on Michelle Obama’s weight gain .

Conclusion: I found at least four sights like Wooden Spears listing Michelle Obama at 137 back in February which I find almost impossible to believe just based on the First ladies height . I would guess from looking at these pictures that Michelle Obama is tipping the scales at around 178-183 pounds .
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Now, that was written 2 years ago by a Michelle Obama fan.
I posted the link so you could read the whole story.
Now, my ex wife was 5’10” 135 lbs, and was much more svelt than Michelle, so you come to your own conclusions.
According to the BMI chart, her height and her fans guess at her weight (178-183 lb she refuses to release her actual weight) her BMI is 26, which is in the low end of the overweight range. Remember, that was 2 years ago, before the fatcakes and Shackburgers. Now, taking all that into consideration, yes, she is overweight, but not obese. You also have to take into consideration genetics, and hormones. Women tend to carry more of their weight in the rear, so it might be disproportionately distributed in back. If her weight were more evenly distributed, she might not look as overweight.
No, I’m not softening, I’m just being realistic, but until she releases her actual weight stats, this is all purely conjecture.

Olivia
Member

Conclusion: I found at least four sights like Wooden Spears listing Michelle Obama at 137 back in February which I find almost impossible to believe just based on the First ladies height . I would guess from looking at these pictures that Michelle Obama is tipping the scales at around 178-183 pounds .

Now, that was written 2 years ago by a Michelle Obama fan.
I posted the link so you could read the whole story.
Now, my ex wife was 5’10″ 135 lbs, and was much more svelt than Michelle, so you come to your own conclusions.
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I already have, Poppajoe. You came across some gossipy speculation that suited your purpose here (to accuse Michelle Obama of being fat and out of shape), and immediately assumed it was accurate, because it’s what you wanted to hear.

Let me remind you that not only is this just guesswork, but it’s impossible to determine whether someone is fit or fat, just by looking at a weight (estimated or otherwise). You made a special point of telling me the (alleged) size of your biceps, which suggests that muscle mass is important to you. Yet, when it comes to Michelle Obama, you completely ignore the facts that (1) muscle weighs more than fat, and (2) “fitness” is not a synonym for “ideal body weight.”

Let me remind you, too, that the First Lady is no more obligated to release her “actual weight stats” than Sarah Palin is to make public her menstrual cycle. What’s more, Obama’s own weight has absolutely no bearing on the legitimacy of her goal: to encourage better nutrition and regular exercise for the nation’s kids.

You know very well that, no matter what cause Michelle Obama might have chosen to address in her situation as First Lady, the Obamaphobes would have been screaming bloody murder that she was being “arrogant” in speaking up. Quite simply, the far right expects her to be a sort of modern-day equivalent of Jane Pierce—-to sit quietly in the White House, refrain from doing any traveling or entertaining, and keep her mouth shut (you know, like a Jim Crow era housemaid).

It’s always amusing to watch the far right kick up a fuss over any opinion expressed by the First Lady….but then clap and cheer at Miss Wasilla’s relentless (and divisive) limelight chasing.

poppajoe49
Member

Interesting how you left out what I wrote that said Michelle wasn’t obese, and other factors that made her look heavier than she is, all because it didn’t fit your argument that I am picking on her, when in reality, I just defended her.
You also overlooked the fact that the person that wrote the article is a MO fan!
Now, go back under your bridge troll.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

What a wind bag we are dealing with here. We really ought to refrain from responding to her comments. All we should do is hide her droppings and ignore the stain she leaves.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

It’s been working for me for a number of weeks. I’m wondering when everyone else will catch on.

brm
Member

I did! Cold turkey.

KimmyQueen
Guest

It needs to be done.

poppajoe49
Member

But, it’s just so hard to do! I have a hard time not shooting a sitting duck!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Whackatroll shouldn’t suffer for some time, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is players unaware of, or enjoying the futility will continue to address her like she’s actually not suffering reality denial disorder and/or is possibly good beneath all those layers of lies and obfuscus, but reality will never penetrate this one. Besides, there ARE other trolls about! Target rich environs, these parts.

Oh, crap. Who am I trying to kid? There hasn’t been a troll so easily pistoff before! Her self importance is second only to Obama… Mrs Obama, of course, and that rapper Kanye West or whatever her name is.

Her multiple personality condition is also enriching.

perlcat
Member

Kanye West wasn’t explained here, but you should be able to get the general idea:

http://www.jumbojoke.com/rap_music_explained.html

john
Member

So they let her use a computor in the nervous hospital?

poppajoe49
Member

LOL John, why not? she needs to kill time when she isn’t giving out the thorazine and lithium.

perlcat
Member

@poppajoe49:

I think John means that she’s on the third floor — the floor that has the bars on the windows, and she isn’t pitching pills — she’s catching.

Say hi to Napoleon for me, (all six of them) Olivia!

poppajoe49
Member

Say hi to Napoleon for me, (all six of them) Olivia!

Oh no, she’s talking to FDR and Woodrow Wilson. Gotta get those commie ideas from the source!

Thallus
Member

Sorry folks, I’ve taken a liking to Olivia. I admire the vigor and dedication that she exudes while defending the indefensible and the length to which she will stretch credulity. It takes courage to post consistently vacuous but passionate posts then absorb an equally consistent verbal beating as a result. My dear Ollie should be welcome with open arms on this blog if for no other reason than to remind us why we aren’t like her.

CO2Insanity
Admin

I fixed it for you Oblivia….

Olivia is a libtard, not a First Lady. What’s more, she’s a particularly divisive libtard, who tends to thrive on (1) attacking the political opposition at every opportunity (up to and including lying about them), and (2) whining that the political opposition is being mean to her.

Olivia
Member

Olivia is a libtard, not a First Lady. What’s more, she’s a particularly divisive libtard, who tends to thrive on (1) attacking the political opposition at every opportunity (up to and including lying about them), and (2) whining that the political opposition is being mean to her.

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Nonsense, CO2. I’m just giving you guys back what you love to dish out. And I haven’t “whined” at all that you were “mean” to me. In fact, when you start in with your name calling and insults, I take that as evidence that my previous comment was right on target. 😉

As for your accusation that I’m lying about you: this whole discussion revolves around a rabid opinion piece that played fast and loose with the truth. And it surely wasn’t written by a liberal. 😉

Not so silent
Member

Good grief, Had this been Sarah Palin or some other conservative, there would be photos, editorials, and it would have been the lead story on all three of the crappy television networks news shows. They would have experts spouting their wisdom of a healthy diet, charts with calories, pictures of healthy food. The NYT and Newsweak would have cover photos, and of course some idiot reporter would ask the president allowing for a “lighthearted presidential moment” at a press conference.

Liberals are like yard dogs, smelly, vicious, and the poop anywhere they please. Other than barking, they got no usefull purpose. I bet they quit barking when you feed them a shakeburger and fries…

Olivia
Member

Good grief, Had this been Sarah Palin or some other conservative, there would be photos, editorials, and it would have been the lead story on all three of the crappy television networks news shows. They would have experts spouting their wisdom of a healthy diet, charts with calories, pictures of healthy food. The NYT and Newsweak would have cover photos, and of course some idiot reporter would ask the president allowing for a “lighthearted presidential moment” at a press conference.
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Heaven help us, do none of you know how to discuss an issue like this without it turning into a “the lib’rul media keeps pickin’ on us!” whinefest?

Sarah Palin is a politician, not a First Lady. What’s more, she’s a particularly divisive politician, who tends to thrive on (1) attacking the political opposition at every opportunity (up to and including lying about them), and (2) whining that the political opposition is being mean to her.

Michelle Obama has done neither of these things. In fact, all she’s done is push for better nutrition, and more physical activity, for our nation’s kids. The fact that she occasionally eats a hamburger or ice cream cone is irrelevant, since she, like most dietitians, says that there’s no need to deprive kids—or anyone else—-of ALL high calorie food that they love. The key is MODERATION.

By the way, I don’t see anyone flinging insults about Palin’s looks. Personally, I don’t think she’s as stunningly beautiful as so many far righters like to boast, but she is physically attractive, and she does have a good figure. So let’s stop pretending that she’s just a poor widdle innocent victim. She gives as good as she gets…..and then some. And she always has.

poppajoe49
Member

Heaven help us, do none of you know how to discuss an issue like this without it turning into a “the lib’rul media keeps pickin’ on us!” whinefest?

But it’s OK for you to whine constantly about the right wing press.
Geez, what a hipocrite!

Olivia
Member

Heaven help us, do none of you know how to discuss an issue like this without it turning into a “the lib’rul media keeps pickin’ on us!” whinefest?

But it’s OK for you to whine constantly about the right wing press.
Geez, what a hipocrite!

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No “whining” about being picked on, Poppajoe. If I were that thin skinned, I wouldn’t be posting here, would I? 😀

But I will speak up when the right wing media misrepresents facts—not because I feel personally victimized, but because I think ANY outlet that pretends to be a news source ought to be factual.

poppajoe49
Member

But it’s OK for you to whine constantly about the right wing press.

No “whining” about being picked on,

READING AND COMPREHENSION!!! 2 things you obliviously never learned in school!

Olivia
Member

But it’s OK for you to whine constantly about the right wing press.

No “whining” about being picked on,

READING AND COMPREHENSION!!! 2 things you obliviously never learned in school!
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Wrong again, my boy. Sarah Palin has built a career out of whining about how badly she and her family are treated by the lib’rul media, even while she’s using that same media to feather her own nest.

There’s a world of difference between complaining about being personally victimized by the media, and pointing out that some media outlets are more concerned with propaganda than reporting the news.

Of course, if you get all your “information” from political manipulators, one can hardly expect you to know the difference. You’ve probably never read a current events account in your life that didn’t come with directions on how to react to it. 😉

poppajoe49
Member

Unplug your head from Arianna Huffington’s ass and learn to read and comprehend what I wrote.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “But I will speak up when the right wing media misrepresents facts.”

But…..Not when Michael Moore does it in spades.

Not so silent
Member

And the first lady is not a politician?????????????????? Did you have a senior moment? Palin, Bachman, Perry, Paul, They all get attacked regularly. But I guess its not whinning when the liberal media does that, just when a bunch of citizens who disagree with your heros anti-American policies speak up. The woman is getting larger, dresses like a tramp and has no class as a first lady. Unless of course you think inviting a rapper who sings about cop-killin’ is culture. She is not smart enough (altho she thinks she is) to know just how bad she makes herself look and how dumb some of her statements are, and of course she wants everyone to eat healthy,,but that doesn’t apply to her and her tamale does it?

First ladies represent the county, not a trailer park or Chicago thugs.

And your right about one thing, People don’t pick on Palin’s looks, they call call her stupid, and I would rather spend time with Sarah than Moochelle. At least with Sarah we could talk about just about anything, With Moochelle, I would have to sit and listen to her lecture me on my right wing dangerous mentality.

Jay
Guest

Which county [sic] do First Ladies represent? Whinning! I represent the GSP Police (Grammar, Spelling, Punctuation) and you’ve just been handed a fix it ticket. This is not a judgement of your content. You may go about your business. Move along.

brm
Member

“I represent the GSP Police (Grammar, Spelling, Punctuation) and you’ve just been handed a fix it ticket. ”

Then I’m sure you are aware that “fix-it” should be hyphenated.

Careful about making announcements like that. It just places a big ol’ bulls-eye on your chest.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Turds.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

“Whinning!” ? Is this a new word I missed the memo on?

Olivia
Member

And the first lady is not a politician??????????????????
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No more than all doctors’ wives are physicians. There is no official “First Lady” position. Michelle Obama is First Lady for one reason only: because she happens to be married to the president.
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THat’s why it’s so silly for you far righters to vent all this spleen on Democratic First Ladies. Not one of them applied for the position or ran for it, and none of them have any power that’s likely to cause pain or inconvenience to you in any way.

drb
Member

TURDS!!

Babydoll102187
Member

“I would rather spend time with Sarah than Moochelle. At least with Sarah we could talk about just about anything, ”

And Caribou hunt, and fish for salmon, and camp in the rain. All of which sounds way more fun then spending a second in the presence of “Her Majesty, the Queen of this Fast Food Nation” And I’m a bona fide indoors girl, I dont think much of rain, or bugs, or no indoor plumbing. I would rather spend a day with Sarah Palin, at least she’s decent human being toward others.

Joanne Edmiston
Guest

OOOOOHH, Snap Girl! You’re my kinda person! Pull no punches !!
I so agree with you ! And, as an Alaskan, I can tell you for a certainty that our gal Sarah would not make the socials gaffes that the current “First-B….” has repeatedly made. Sarah is a genuinely out-going, decent, respectful kind of woman. Does she love a good battle? In her words “You betcha”.
Can you just imagine the appalling looks of disapproval, as well as he gasps of horror, as onlookers watched while Michelle dared to place her hands on Queen Elizabeth ? Oh My God! It simply is NOT done! One never touches the queen’s personage except the proper handshake in the reception line. But the Black Princess of Pennsylvania Avenue just had to show everyone how “accepted into polite society” she was by placing her shoulder around the Queen of England. Gaffe, Faux Pas, and screw-up!
Michelle is too full of herself, so totally ignorant and uncaring for basic protocol, and such a taker, that it wouldn’t occur to her to show someone else the respect they have earned and deserve.
She is also the original “don’t do as I do; Do as I say” queen. Bet there are ALOT of POWER-STRUGGLES going on at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue because her arrogant, all-knowing husband is just like her!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

The Obamas were stupid for hugging the Queen, old wind-bag that she is, but no more stupid than the royal family for having such a stupid tradition. Maybe the fact that they don’t get hugged enough accounts for why they are such miserable people. But, while I don’t mind a hug now and then, I certainly wouldn’t want it to be from the Obama family.

Olivia
Member

certainty that our gal Sarah would not make the socials gaffes that the current “First-B….” has repeatedly made. Sarah is a genuinely out-going, decent, respectful kind of woman. Does she love a good battle? In her words “You betcha”.
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This is so comical. The woman (then governor of Alaska) who answered what she thought was a call from the President of France with, “This is Sarah” instead of “This is Governor Palin.” Who cooed “We LOOOOOOVE you” to the caller, just seconds after being introduced. Who not only called him by his first name without asking permission (he’d referred to her as “Governor Palin”), but then presumed to anglicize it (calling him “Nicholas” instead of “Nicolas”). Who completely failed to pick up on broad jokes like “Nailin’ Palin,” “Marcel with Bread under the Armpit” and “my special American advisor, Johnny Hallyday.” And who promptly hung up on the caller, once she was told she’d been “pranked.”

And you think she’s incapable of “social gaffes”? That’s the best one I’ve heard all week. 😀
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Can you just imagine the appalling looks of disapproval, as well as he gasps of horror, as onlookers watched while Michelle dared to place her hands on Queen Elizabeth ? Oh My God! It simply is NOT done!
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Wrong. Dead wrong.
First, there is a world of difference between an official function and a private home visit.

Second, Buckingham Palace (I presume they know a bit more about royal protocol than some angry far righter in the US?) stated that they do not issue instructions that no one must touch the queen.

Third, if Queen Elizabeth (who has over 80 years’ experience with royal protocol and is no fool) showed no sign of displeasure at the First Lady reciprocating her gesture, why would YOU, a commoner and an American, have a problem with it?

Fourth, if Queen Elizabeth had been opposed to being touched, it would have rather churlish of her to put her arm around Michelle Obama. She herself initated physical contact, so it’s only natural that the First Lady would have returned it. Certainly it made more sense for Mrs. Obama to place her own hand lightly on the queen, rather than to stand there awkwardly trying not to move or make further physical contact.

Fifth, it’s the responsibility of the senior lady-in-waiting to intervene, if a visitor shows inappropriate familarity with a monarch. She didn’t do so, and I saw no evidence, in the video of this incident, that the queen was expecting her to.

And, finally, it is the monarch herself (or himself), not a bunch of disgruntled republicans 4000+ miles away, who determines royal etiquette. Queen Elizabeth was clearly not put out by Michelle Obama’s touch, just as she was clearly not put out by the fact that her grandson (and second heir) chose to marry a commoner. If the royal family of Great Britain doesn’t know how to do anything else, they know how to adapt to changing times and social expectations.
(In stark contrast, I might add, to American reactionaries.) 😉
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One never touches the queen’s personage except the proper handshake in the reception line.
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This was a personal visit, not an official function, so there was no “receiving line.”
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But the Black Princess of Pennsylvania Avenue just had to show everyone how “accepted into polite society” she was by placing her shoulder around the Queen of England. Gaffe, Faux Pas, and screw-up!
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The “Black Princess.”

As Shakespeare would have put it, “Aye, there’s the rub.” A black woman who presumes to make her own decisions, instead of being dictated to by a bunch of angry far righters. That’s REALLY what this is all about, isn’t it?

“Gaffe, faux pas and screw-up” indeed—-and I’m not referring either to Queen Elizabeth or Michelle Obama.

poppajoe49
Member

As Shakespeare would have put it,

OMG!!! Now you are speaking for Shakespear? I thought you were nuts before, but now I believe you should be committed!

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brm
Member

Holy hemostat, Batman,

I’ve been out, mowed the backyard, trimmed and edged, had a shower…

…and I STILL got TURDS!

Everybody must be out enjoying the day. Poppajoe, disengage your butt from the chair and get out and have some fun!! Yes, that’s an order.

poppajoe49
Member

If not for me, you wouldn’t have gotten turds!
I’m still inside because my wife and FIL are still asleep, and the dogs are awake. I have to work on my truck today, so enjoyment is out of the question.

brm
Member

Maybe tomorrow then.

And thanks for the turds.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

It just started pouring here in Tampa. Looks like it will be wet for a while, too…

poppajoe49
Member

Well well, Dean. I had no idea you were that close to me! The cool thing is that while you were wet in Hillsborough, up here in West Pasco, we stayed dry all day!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Wesley Chapel in Pasco here, I just say Tampa for the less geographically informed among us. Rained for a couple hours then on n off for a couple more. Nothing new, summer in Florida. Got all the way down to 79ºF last night.

poppajoe49
Member

OK, Port Richey here. We got one of our Bichons from a breeder in Wesley Chapel.

KimmyQueen
Guest

I slept in and then went to see the Transformers movie. Played computer games and had a great dinner. Had a good day, I was ready to come in and do some whacking however you guys seem to have everything under control.

poppajoe49
Member

Kimmy, how was the movie?
I was disappointed in the last one because many of the scenes were so fast paced that the screen was a blur and it gave me a headache! It was almost as if they didn’t care what it looked like as long as the action was percieved as happening!

KimmyQueen
Guest

It was pretty good. I wish they had concentrated a bit more on the robots, however it was pretty good. There are some scenes that are kind of fast paced so I know what you mean. The girl is hot so she is good eye candy for the boys lol. I was surprised at the human villain I think the actor did a good job and he is handsome. All in all, I enjoyed it. I loved Transformers as a little girl so to see it on screen (and on 3D) is awesome.

poppajoe49
Member

The girl is hot so she is good eye candy for the boys

OK, so I’ll just close my eyes the rest of the time! 😛

drb
Member

As usual, I was working…but at least I have a job, or 3

Joanne Edmiston
Guest

Not so silent. I gave you a thumbs up!
Of course the lame street media would be all over Sarah P.
And she doesn’t even have an ass the size of a bow fiddle!

Olivia
Member

Author: Bruce
Comment:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/michelle-obama-childhood-obesity-initiative/story?id=9781473

Please show how Michelle HAS followed a proper diet and exercise regime the past 15 days.
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Not my job, Bruce. Those who are accusing her of failing to practice what she preaches have the burden of proof.

So far, none have even tried to back up their accusations with fact.

That pretty much says it all, don’t you think?

drb
Member

3rds!!!!

Olivia
Member

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/04/30/sfchron-mofords-vicious-attack-laura-bush

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210194/posts

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/nbc-news-anchor-viciously-attacks-laura-bush/blog-310371/

http://newsbird.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/amy-hertz-at-huffington-post-attacks-laura-bush/

Laura Bush never attacked… Lawlsies.
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I didn’t say she was “never attacked,” Mr. Black And White Thinker. I said she was never attacked as viciously by the left as Michelle Obama is by the right.

Let’s face it: Michelle Obama can’t show her face in public without the far right going into a feeding frenzy about her clothes, her hair, her shoes, her facial expression, her body shape, her alleged “hatred of America” or the fact that she brazenly showed herself in public. That’s a far cry from some cranky journalist complaining about Laura Bush being too bland and uninteresting.

drb
Member

No matter how you try to spin it, Mrs. Bush was never a target for hatred among the left, as Mrs. Obama (as well as Mrs. Clinton, during her First Lady days) has been among the right.

I don’t see that “as viciously” qualifier in your original statement.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Neither first ladies named Bush ever stuck their arrogance out for everyone to see.

poppajoe49
Member

They were both understatedly elegant and gracious.

Olivia
Member

Almost everyone I’ve talked to said we’re going to move to Houston. What I’m hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. (Said with concern.) Everybody is so overwhelmed by all the hospitality. And so many of the peoples in the arena here, you know, they’re underprivileged anyway, so this–this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them.

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? Oh, I mean, it’s not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?

hisham
Guest

3rd! I got 3rds!

KimmyQueen
Guest

*high five*

hisham
Guest

Thanks KQ, that was my first 3rd! I’m all jazzed about it!

KimmyQueen
Guest

Savor the moment! 🙂

brm
Member

And repeat often!

drb
Member

way to go!

Olivia
Member

Author: drb.

I don’t see that “as viciously” qualifier in your original statement.
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Of course you don’t. My posts are “hidden” by the Turd Brigade almost as fast as they’re posted, so I don’t take the time to go back and examine them when I refer to them. But I don’t believe I stated that Laura Bush was NEVER criticized (the word I used was “savaged”) in the media, did I?

If that’s the impression you got from my original post, I’m correcting it right now.

That’s the problem with black-and-white thinking: people tend to assume that there’s only “always” or “never”—-with no shades of gray in between.

drb
Member

That’s why I included it, so you wouldn’t have to go back. So, whatever.

brm
Member

That’s too funny – you included her own words and she didn’t recognize them. Evil twin? Sure looking like it.

Like you said, whatever.

Politics aside, I actually rather like Michele Obama. I’m glad to see a heavier woman in the White House – I think it makes her seem more human. Her sylist should be fired and whoever designs her clothes should be charged with treason, but that’s another story.

drb
Member

That’s twice now that that has happened. KQ can verify that. (Probably Mr Ed. as well)

Anyway, I think it is clear that Michelle Obama does exercise. Her arms are quite toned.

KimmyQueen
Guest

It is possible to keep certain parts of the body toned whereas still gaining weight in other areas. Her butt and her abs have spread out. Interestingly enough she hasn’t been showing off her arms as much lately. She can exercise but she is not exercising to the point of excusing a 1700 calorie lunch. I seriously doubt it. Now she is not eating like this all the time, however she shouldn’t be eating like this any of the time while she is doing such a campaign. It just smacks of hypocrisy.

However yes I do like the fact that she is a not stick figure, although Mrs. Bush and Mrs. Clinton weren’t either. Barbara Bush most certainly wasn’t. No idea about Carter’s wife, but yes Ms. Reagan was always very thin. So we have had our share of non thin women in the White House. Now I could be wrong but I don’t remember a First Lady making such a big deal of issues of weight and then going around stating she loves fries and eating fast food whenever possible.

Olivia is probably a team of people and I am willing to say that the racists and the people that thumb the racists up are probably part of that team as well. So they may tag team or else the girl is crazy.

drb
Member

Yes, Kimmy it is possible to keep some areas of the body toned and gain in other ares. It all depends on where your fat cells are located with in your body. That why some people gain in their bellies and others gain in their hips and thighs and others still will gain in the chest. Unless you have lipo done, you die with the same number of fat cells that you were born with. they just get bigger or smaller as you gain or lose weight. So if more of your fat cells are located in your hips, you will notice the gain there first, if more fat cells are in your belly, you see the wiehgt gain there first. So it may just be that Michelle Obama has very few fat cells in her arms and many more in her hips and thighs. (like most women)

drb
Member

My apologies, KQ, I misread your first sentence and thought you were asking a question rather than making a statement. My brain switched the “it” with the “is”. Sorry.

KimmyQueen
Guest

It’s all good. The post was relevant.

brm
Member

“Olivia is probably a team of people and I am willing to say that the racists and the people that thumb the racists up are probably part of that team as well. So they may tag team or else the girl is crazy.”

Tag team or crazy. Not mutually exclusive.

KimmyQueen
Guest

True, true…

Olivia
Member

It is possible to keep certain parts of the body toned whereas still gaining weight in other areas.
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Wrong. Yes, you can keep your body toned, which Obama does, but you can’t spot reduce. As for your claim that she’s gaining weight, that’s a highly subjective claim. OF COURSE those who choose to believe that she “pigs out” regularly are also going to claim that she’s bigger than she used to be. Doesn’t necessarily make it true, however.
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Her butt and her abs have spread out. Interestingly enough she hasn’t been showing off her arms as much lately.
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Huh? She’s wearing sleevless garments as much as ever, and her arms are still nicely toned. Maybe you’re not noticing it, because you’re too busy looking for less flattering pictures of her.
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She can exercise but she is not exercising to the point of excusing a 1700 calorie lunch. I seriously doubt it. Now she is not eating like this all the time, however she shouldn’t be eating like this any of the time while she is doing such a campaign. It just smacks of hypocrisy.
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Not true. As I’ve pointed out at least 100 times, Michelle Obama takes the posiition of most dietitians these days, that it’s unrealistic to permanently give up foods you love. The key is moderation. And not one of you Obamaphobes has been able to produce evidence that Michelle Obama regularly “pigs out,” as this very slanted story claims.

Even the headline is a lie, since Michelle Obama never said there were foods you “shouldn’t eat.” Just that you should limit the frequency of eating them.
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However yes I do like the fact that she is a not stick figure, although Mrs. Bush and Mrs. Clinton weren’t either. Barbara Bush most certainly wasn’t. No idea about Carter’s wife, but yes Ms. Reagan was always very thin. So we have had our share of non thin women in the White House. Now I could be wrong but I don’t remember a First Lady making such a big deal of issues of weight and then going around stating she loves fries and eating fast food whenever possible.
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Why should she lie, and claim that she doesn’t like such foods? She’d be of little use if she went around bragging, “I don’t like fast food, and I never eat it. I eat only healthy, low fat foods.” Why? Those kids who love such foods and don’t like exercise couldn’t relate to someone like that. They CAN relate to someone who’s honest—-who says, “I know—I LOVE hamburgers and French fries, just like you do. And it’s okay to eat them sometimes—just so long as you don’t eat them too often, and as long as you get regular exercise.”
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Olivia is probably a team of people and I am willing to say that the racists and the people that thumb the racists up are probably part of that team as well. So they may tag team or else the girl is crazy.
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Why do so many right wingers think there’s a deep, dark conspiracy behind everything? No, Kimmy, I post only as myself, and I’m not in cahoots with anyone. What’s more, I’d never collaborate with a racist, or a troll pretending to be a racist, to get a rise out of other posters.

perlcat
Member

…of course her arms are toned. She keeps moving that fork up & down.

drb
Member

that thought did cross my mind. 😀

poppajoe49
Member

Yea, as toned as my late grandmother’s were when she was 85!

LA Sunset
Member

//Of course you don’t. My posts are “hidden” by the Turd Brigade almost as fast as they’re posted,//

You are lucky people can’t vote a thumbs down more than once.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I’d be all over that.

perlcat
Member

Well, actually…

Although I *could* do that, or even set it up so that she gets an automatic 3down, I prefer to do it the old fashioned way.

ONE is good, because you are the first to encounter the babble in its native form.
TWO is good, because you are not alone.
THREE is the happiest number of them all.

The best part is where she sits at 3 down for a long time, unable to muster even ONE friend to un-hide her.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Unlike some of our other trolls, she hasn’t mastered the technique of having multiple personas, so she can give herself thumbs up.

perlcat
Member

Well, I believe that she actually *does* have multiple personae IRL — and none of them are on speaking terms with each other. She ought to have them start writing notes to each other — kind of a “staff turnover report”, if you will. That is the best explanation for how she can ignore any valid critique — it isn’t _her_ that they’re refuting…

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Maybe if you could get the down thumb to turn into a mallet or sledge hammer when the negativity is past a certain margin, maybe animate a little hammer pounding a troll into the ground. That would be neat.

poppajoe49
Member

May I suggest one of these?

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Administrator
Admin

“Of course you don’t. My posts are “hidden” by the Turd Brigade almost as fast as they’re posted, so I don’t take the time to go back and examine them when I refer to them. ”

As I told you before, but you’ve conveniently discounted, if a conservative person commented and much and as annoyingly as you do, on a liberal blog, they would have been banned long, long ago. We’ve all experienced this.

You should be shouting the praises IHateTheMedia.com and their tolerance, unlike the totalitarian liberal blogs. As in the real world, tolerance lives on the right.

I won’t comment on the last word you’re sure to have on this, but the democratic thumbs up/down function will tally the votes and decide whether or not your response will be of any value on this site.

Olivia
Member

You’re not giving Mrs. Obama the credit she deserves. She is saving lives here. She eats food that would otherwise go to some fat slob who doesn’t have access to the world’s greatest health care.
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Nah, somehow I suspect that you’ll manage to get a hold of a high calorie fast food lunch anyway. 😉

hisham
Guest

May FLOTUS’s near and dear rear end grow and blossom many and innumerable times from this day hence. May it flourish so that it drags on the floor like an exotic wedding train, may it get stuck in the door everytime FLOTUS enters the room, may it take a team of professional asswipes to wipe it and wash it, may it be too wide for a decent back end view from a standing mirror, may Jenny Craig be unable or unwilling to help dear leader’s wilting flower, may this continue after FLOTUS is no longer FLOTUS!

Olivia
Member

May FLOTUS’s near and dear rear end grow and blossom many and innumerable times from this day hence. May it flourish so that it drags on the floor like an exotic wedding train, may it get stuck in the door everytime FLOTUS enters the room, may it take a team of professional asswipes to wipe it and wash it, may it be too wide for a decent back end view in a standing mirror, may Jenny Craig be unable or unwilling to help dear leader’s wilting flower, may this continue after FLOTUS is no longer FLOTUS!

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Hisham, the only ponderous thing that’s dragging on the ground here is your tedious soliloquy.

Your style brings to mind a character from one of my favorite books.

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hisham
Guest

Oblovia, how good to hear from you, gosh it’s been what, minutes at least. How’s the gout? How’s that bad left hammer-toe, you know, the one you stubbed the last time you and I met? It appears you don’t know the difference between a soliloquy and a curse, so here’s one for you: May you continue to annoy those near and dear to you until you haven’t a friend left in the world, except Obama. May you continue to remain a deer in the head lights of all on coming posters on this site, because it makes great sport and is so fun to mock you. May you continue to enjoy innumerable thumbs down, because that’s how you rate. May you join Moochelle in the widening of the posterior estate until yours drags on the floor like a whimsical tail, because it’s what you deserve for being a quisling. I could go on and on, but for the sake of time I’ll just leave the rest up to your ample imagination!

KimmyQueen
Guest

*claps*

hisham
Guest

Thank you KQ, it makes my heart happy when I can gain your approbation from one of my posts! I’m glad I could make you smile and brighten your day a little.

KimmyQueen
Guest

It made my day. It really did. It was beauty in prose. 😀

KimmyQueen
Guest

I see that my own personal troll has arrived.

hisham
Guest

Little bugger trolled by my post as well!

KimmyQueen
Guest

We are special to have our own personal troll!

poppajoe49
Member

Got me earlier.

KimmyQueen
Guest

The troll really gets around.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Trying to not to be noticed…

poppajoe49
Member

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hisham
Guest

Thanks for the cool kudos poppajoe49. You don’t mind if I use the clapping hands do you? Maybe we can start a custom here on IHTM of awarding people the “clapping hands” (applause) award for especially pithy retorts and double entendre aimed at exceptionally annoying trolls.

poppajoe49
Member

Absolutely hisham. Any of my little pictures that I post here are public domain and anyone can use them at will.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

You had my attention with Oblovia!

hisham
Guest

Yes, thanks FormerlyDeanH! I think, from now on, I’m going to use this new moniker for Olivia because it rolls nicely off the tongue and it insinuates her bloviating style at the same time.

Olivia
Member

May you continue to remain a deer in the head lights of all on coming posters on this site, because it makes great sport and is so fun to mock you.
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Translation: “I can’t dispute a single rebuttal of yours, nor can I produce evidence to back up any of my claims here. So I’ll just do what I do best: parrot right wing political manipulators, follow the herd, and fling the same old juvenile insults. If I fling those insults in a particularly ponderous way, will anyone be fooled into thinking I’m witty?”

No, Hisham, I don’t think so. Not unless Rush Limbaugh tells them to be impressed.

jwilson07
Member

Isn’t that a photo from a TV? I thought Trolivia proudly said you never ever watch TV. Perhaps you could have used the name of the book instead if relying on TV photos to make your point, if you actually had one. I bet its because you did not see any babies killed today in your mop job that your feeling kinda blue and can’t think straight.

YT
Member

Then her @ss can match her knuckles, which gay men tell me is all the rage right now.

Olivia
Member

Then her @ss can match her knuckles, which gay men tell me is all the rage right now.

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What would a gay man care what a woman’s derriere looks like, YT?

Or were you just trying to come up with an opportunity to boast about your love life? 😉

poppajoe49
Member

Make that a 5 bagger!

Jim Stewart
Member

You’re not giving Mrs. Obama the credit she deserves. She is saving lives here. She eats food that would otherwise go to some fat slob who doesn’t have access to the world’s greatest health care. Plus her world-class security closed the sidewalk and street and fewer people were able to eat all that fat-filled food. She should get a medal, the Iron Skillet with French Fry cluster.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Which begs the next question. How much did this little foray into gluttony cost us?

poppajoe49
Member

$40,000 plus security. 😉

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Sounds like a good deal. I hope there were no tamales injured in the making of that lunch.

LA Sunset
Member

Olivia has the day off from the diner, I see. Mel must be slower on Wednesdays.

Olivia
Member

Mrs. Bush was never a target for hatred among the left, as Mrs. Obama (as well as Mrs. Clinton, during her First Lady days) has been among the right.”
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But “everybody knows” Laura Bush killed a guy, right?
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Yes, of course. It’s public record. http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

But I’ve never seen anyone bring it up during a political discussion, except in response to right wingers who claim that “Teddy Kennedy” should have been thrown in prison for murder, even though he was neither charged with nor convicted of murder.

You’ll have to do better than that, if you want to convince anyone that Laura Bush has been savaged by the left as badly as Michelle Obama has by the right.

whatabeanr
Member

Laura Bush was a 17 year old girl, not a drunk man who killed someone and then tried to cover it up.

Does anyone else wonder how big Olivia is? These food topics really get her going?

Olivia
Member

Does anyone else wonder how big Olivia is? These food topics really get her going?

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Actually, it’s just the opposite. I don’t have an issue with food or eating, so I don’t tend to watch how much food other people eat and spread malicious gossip about it.

It’s been my experience, from junior high school on, that people with weight problems of their own are much more likely to make catty remarks about other people’s diets than people who are average sized or thin. With the exception of people with eating disorders, regardless of physique who tend to obsess about food anyway.

poppajoe49
Member

I don’t have an issue with food or eating, so I don’t tend to watch how much food other people eat and spread malicious gossip about it.

No, you just accuse everyone else of being morbidly obese, while telling them that their daring to say something about Moochelle belies their obesity. So, let me get this straight. If I say something about Moochelle, I’m obese. If you claim I’m obese, it means you aren’t obese.

Just a bit hypocritical, isn’t it?

Olivia
Member

No, you just accuse everyone else of being morbidly obese, while telling them that their daring to say something about Moochelle belies their obesity. So, let me get this straight. If I say something about Moochelle, I’m obese. If you claim I’m obese, it means you aren’t obese.

Just a bit hypocritical, isn’t it?
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Not at all. I’m not the one who calls men with trim shapes and flat stomachs “metrosexual,” and fit only for women who wish to bully them. Nor do I make b*tchy remarks about women with good figures, or grumble that men get treated better by fat women than thin ones. In fact, I’m perfectly capable of admiring and complimenting other women who are well proportioned and groomed, without feeling that it takes anything away from me.

Sorry, Poppajoe, but your defensiveness on this issue pretty much says it all.

poppajoe49
Member

I have nothing to be defensive about. I’m 6″2″ 225lb with a 50″chest, 38″ waist, and 18″ biceps.
Obese, no, manly, yes!
BTW, I do have a beard and tattoos, but you probably guessed that by looking at my avatar, which is probably why a bigoted witch like you assumed I was obese also.

Olivia
Member

I have nothing to be defensive about. I’m 6″2″ 225lb with a 50″chest, 38″ waist, and 18″ biceps.
Obese, no, manly, yes!
BTW, I do have a beard and tattoos, but you probably guessed that by looking at my avatar, which is probably why a bigoted witch like you assumed I was obese also.

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I haven’t “guessed” anything, my boy. My comments are strictly in reference to the b*tchy little putdowns you made about men with a lean physique.

Men who are comfortable in their own skin don’t make catty little remarks about other men’s body types. They also don’t, in my experience, go around posting their measurements on political discussion boards.

poppajoe49
Member

My comments are strictly in reference to the b*tchy little putdowns you made about men with a lean physique.
Men who are comfortable in their own skin don’t make catty little remarks about other men’s body types. They also don’t, in my experience, go around posting their measurements on political discussion boards.

Men that are lean as you like, tend to make more snide remarks about other people being overweight, than any other group. You just don’t know it because they talk behind your back. The only reason I posted my measurements was to try and shut you up. Your bitchy little comments about everyone here being Obese are getting tiresome, and according to your logic, prove you to be obese and unhappy about it.

jwilson07
Member

I noticed you can admire other women, yet you like to kill little babies all the time. Trolivia why are you so mean to the innocent?

David Bishop
Member
poppajoe49
Member

Sorry David, thosestories don’t count because they don’t appear in the leftist, sycophant MSM.

Ira
Guest

She needs those extra calories for her gig hauling a Hansom Cab through Central Park. You’d think she’d leave that chore to one of her 47 or so handmaidens, but it’s more like a hobby for her. If you come across “Shelly” feed her a carrot and scratch her nose.

Olivia
Member

Trolivia, your too liberal to understand since your own hypocrisy blinds you. Perhaps i can explain it so even your mop job mentality will allow you to understand. Lets say the president says you should not smoke cigarettes because they are bad, nasty,unhealthy, and he knows whats best for you. Now, as he says this he is puffing away on two cigs while a third is burning in the ashtray. Now can you see how silly this looks?
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Sure. But that’s not an honest analogy here, is it? Mrs. Obama never said, “Don’t eat any high fat foods EVER, because they’re bad, nasty, unhealthy and I know what’s best for you.” Nor was she witnessed eating three fast food meals at a time.

You see the problem here? When you far righters insist on fudging the facts and making gross exaggerations, you don’t do your own credibility any good. You succeed only in exposing yourselves as malicious liars, who are leaping at every opportunity, no matter how petty, to b*tch about the First Lady.
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as I say, not as I do” is NOT the best way to educate another person. We are simply saying the first lady is acting rather stupidly, and your trying to argue its a good thing she is doing.
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Wrong again. I never stated or implied that eating fast food is a “good thing.” (In fact, I never eat fast food if I can possibly avoid it.)
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For once admit she is doing the wrong thing and move on. Its okay for your patron saint of liberalism to stumble from time to time.
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Sorry, but I don’t have a “patron saint of liberalism.” If I seem to spend a lot of time defending the First Lady, it’s because people like you spend a lot of time attacking her. If someone commented, “She should probably not eat fast food in public, because it gives people the wrong idea,” I might be inclined to agree with it. But this silly hyperbole about her “forcing” the public to avoid high fat, high sugar foods, and then “gorging” herself on such foods regularly, makes it impossible to take your complaint seriously.

As does the fact that you’re too childish to call me by my screen name, preferring instead to create childish pejoratives like “Trolivia.” Sometimes I just have to ask myself, what are you people thinking? Do you really think this kind of juvenile posturing makes you appear smarter, more credible, or more attractive as a political alternative?

jwilson07
Member

Trolivia, your too liberal to understand since your own hypocrisy blinds you. Perhaps i can explain it so even your mop job mentality will allow you to understand. Lets say the president says you should not smoke cigarettes because they are bad, nasty,unhealthy, and he knows whats best for you. Now, as he says this he is puffing away on two cigs while a third is burning in the ashtray. Now can you see how silly this looks? “Do as I say, not as I do” is NOT the best way to educate another person. We are simply saying the first lady is acting rather stupidly, and your trying to argue its a good thing she is doing. For once admit she is doing the wrong thing and move on. Its okay for your patron saint of liberalism to stumble from time to time.

drb
Member

Careful there, Wilson…you’ll run out of crayons too.

drb
Member

Awwwww. I hurt someone’s feelings again, bless his/her little heart.

Babydoll102187
Member

Miranda Lambert’s song comes to mind… 🙂

brm
Member

And she brought her little friends with her today, too. HOW SWEET!!

Roger dodger
Guest

If she has not gained lb. then she must of had butt implants

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Are they doing gut implants now?

Thallus
Member

Dear Ollie,

Maybe this will help you understand the anathema of FLOTUS’s dietary proselytizing:

hy·poc·ri·sy/hiˈpäkrisē/
Noun: The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform; pretense.

Love,

Thallus

Olivia
Member

Dear Ollie,

Maybe this will help you understand the anathema of FLOTUS’s dietary proselytizing:

hy·poc·ri·sy/hiˈpäkrisē/
Noun: The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform; pretense.
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Let’s see: while visiting Botswana, Mrs. Obama stops in at a local carryout place and buys some of the regional specialty. We don’t know whether she ate all or some or none of it. Sixteen days later, she gets a hamburger, French fries, shake and diet Coke at a new DC area carryout…..and the far right goes into a feeding frenzy (pun intended) both times.

Let’s see your evidence that, during the intervening 15 days, Mrs. Obama didn’t follow a generally healthy diet-and-exercise regimen. THEN we’ll talk.

You do have that evidence, don’t you? For all forty-five meals, and 15-30 exercise periods?

If not, then I’m afraid you’re just blowing, Thallus.

(No pun intended, of course.) 😉

Jay
Guest

Even if the criticism of Mrs. O goes over the top (look up the word ‘hyperbole’), the main issue is not whether she is perfect or not, slim or not, a binge eater or not, ate all her Jack-in-the-Botswana food or not, or if her big booty is real or not. People just are tired of being NAGGED. I wish she ate ALL the time; then she couldn’t talk.

Olivia
Member

Even if the criticism of Mrs. O goes over the top (look up the word ‘hyperbole’), the main issue is not whether she is perfect or not, slim or not, a binge eater or not, ate all her Jack-in-the-Botswana food or not, or if her big booty is real or not. People just are tired of being NAGGED. I wish she ate ALL the time; then she couldn’t talk.

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I don’t understand, Jay. Are you saying she calls you up on the phone and keeps track of what you ate for lunch? Are you saying she sends you e mails, scolding you for not exercising enough? Are you saying she stops in at your house every dinner time, to check to see what you’re eating?

If not, then I’m not sure what you mean by “nagging.”

Could it possibly be that your expectations are unrealistic? Maybe that you were expecting her to be silent and obedient, like one of those pre-Civil Rights Era house servants? Because I don’t see that she’s unduly noisy, or that she’s targeting you specifically in her “Let’s Move” program.

Of course, if you were sick of hearing her talk about diet and exercise, there was no need for you to make a beeline for this discussion…… 😉

Jay
Guest

“I’m not sure what you mean by nagging.” Somewhere in the blogosphere there must be an award for Playing Dumb. I nominate you, Oblivia.

Olivia
Member

“I’m not sure what you mean by nagging.” Somewhere in the blogosphere there must be an award for Playing Dumb. I nominate you, Oblivia.
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Translation: “I find it intolerable that this First Lady is allowed to express an opinion. In my day, we didn’t let their kind speak up in public.”

(Talk about “playing dumb”………)

Jay
Guest

Olivia, please see a therapist. You need medication.

Olivia
Member

Olivia, please see a therapist. You need medication
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Therapists don’t prescribe medication, Jay. And, anyway, don’t you think it’s rather fascist of you to demand that those who disagree with your political views go take drugs to “fix” themselves? 😉

Jay
Guest

There you go again. Only a paranoid hears “please” as “I demand.” And it wasn’t because of a political view, it was for AGAIN hearing “we didn’t let their kind speak up in public,” for noticing that you are incapable of understanding that public figures, elected or not, are resented when they use their fame and the fawning media’s complicity to shake their fingers at us bad little boys and girls for not following healthy personal habits.

Olivia
Member

you are incapable of understanding that public figures, elected or not, are resented when they use their fame and the fawning media’s complicity to shake their fingers at us bad little boys and girls for not following healthy personal habits.
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When did Michelle Obama shake her finger at you for not following healthy personal habits? Got a quote?

Why are you opposed to American children having the opportunity to be well nourished? Is this yet another example of the “I’ve got mine, scr*w you” mentality of spoiled far righters?

KimmyQueen
Guest

I’ve been saying that for weeks.

hisham
Guest

🙂

Thallus
Member

Dear Ollie,

I’m sure you have the evidence to support your opposing view that FLOTUS didn’t scarf the hamburger, fries, chocolate shake? Yes? Then please, show us. My evidence that she, more likely than not, consumed what she ordered is the ample cargo she is carrying on her frame.

Love,

Thallus

Olivia
Member

I’m sure you have the evidence to support your opposing view that FLOTUS didn’t scarf the hamburger, fries, chocolate shake? Yes? Then please, show us.
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Nothing doing, Thallus. YOU made the accusation; therefore it’s incumbent on YOU, not me, to back it up with solid evidence.
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My evidence that she, more likely than not, consumed what she ordered is the ample cargo she is carrying on her frame.
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Translation: “I have no evidence at all, but I’m willing to lie and exaggerate for the sake of smearing a First Lady who never did anything to hurt me or mine.”

Uh huh. That’s exactly what I thought.

brm
Member

TURDS!

Thallus
Member

Dear Ollie,

Her buns certainly are exaggerated AND they don’t lie!

My dear, your translational skill is, how shall I say, in serious need of mprovement. I say this only because I care about you.

Love,
Thallus

poppajoe49
Member

Nothing doing, Thallus. YOU made the accusation; therefore it’s incumbent on YOU, not me, to back it up with solid evidence.

Once again you are proving your own failure by trying to deflect back at the poster. The proof is in the article that the WASHINGTON POST printed! The WASHINGTON POST, that DC bastion of liberalism that never met a Democrat it didn’t like.
Kinda tough when your usually reliable sycophant media turns against you.

poppajoe49
Member

Thallus, perhaps photographic evidence might help support your statement?

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Thallus
Member

Thank you Pappajoe. I don’t think, though, that any photo, statement of fact, or other conclusive evidence will dissuade my dear Ollie from her infrangible belief that a charge of hypocrisy is non sequitur when directed towards a perceived deity.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Not only the frumpy dress, wrapped around such a wide load, but such sensible shoes. She’s embarassing.

Olivia
Member

Not only the frumpy dress, wrapped around such a wide load, but such sensible shoes. She’s embarassing.
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Laura Bush was known to wear sensible shoes, and some of her clothes were downright grandmotherly looking. And her mother-in-law was, shall we say, quite portly (and not much of a fashion plate). Where did you get the idea that First Ladies are obligated to dress like fashion plates?

The “wide load” comment was as vulgar as it is untrue. I think half of you dittoheads need glasses, and the other half need to get their heads out of Rush’s rectum, to improve their visual range.

(And, yes, that remark was vulgar—but no more so than your hero is himself.)

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poppajoe49
Member

Hat Trick!

brm
Member

“Hat Trick!”

Which reminds me of one of my all-time favorite bumper stickers:

“Jesus Saves, but Gretzky scores on the rebound.”

drb
Member

I got one today as well. Seems they are getting harder to come by. Either she isn’t posting as much or our “turd brigade” as swelled in number.

KimmyQueen
Guest

She is rather irritating so I have no doubt that more people are taking it upon themselves to vote her down as quickly as possible.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

She really exudes class!

poppajoe49
Member

She really exudes class!

OK, I will just take it for granted that this was a typo and should have been one of the following:

She really excludes class!

She really exudes ass!

Please let us know which you meant.

perlcat
Member

I was thinking “She really *extrudes* class!”

drb
Member

or it was complete yet excellent sarcasm.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Thank you, drb! Bingo!

drb
Member

Your welcome…I know my peeps.

Olivia
Member

This is so ridiculous. These loons are SOOOOO desperate to smear the First Lady that they can’t resist reporting her calorie count every time she orders out.

Let’s see—-the last time they made a big hoopla about her ordering food, she was in Africa, buying some of the local specialty in a carry-out place. Mind you, they didn’t see her eat it, and have no way of knowing whether she ate all (or any) of it herself, but they couldn’t resist trying to turn it into the Scandal of the Century anyway.

That was sixteen days ago. HOW DARE SHE ORDER A HAMBURGER LUNCH JUST SIXTEEN DAYS AFTER ORDERING THE LOCAL SPECIALTY IN AN AFRICAN CARRYOUT RESTAURANT!!!!!!!

Of course, as usual, those who are doing the loudest b*tching and picking are fail to notice that:
1) Michelle Obama doesn’t appear to have gained weight since her husband’s inauguration 2 1/2 years ago
2) Michelle Obama does practice what she preaches, namely getting enough exercise, following a healthy diet in general with occasional indulgences
3) Most dietitians will tell you that it’s reasonable to indulge in favorite foods once in a while, just so long as your diet is generally healthy.

Let’s face it, righties: it would be difficult for most Americans (other than bulimics, anorectics and fitness fanatics) to relate to a First Lady who NEVER ate French fries or desserts. If she advocated a strict and uncompromising low fat regimen, I dare say you’d be accusing her of “arrogance” (how DARE she suggest that what the rest of us eat isn’t good enough for her!) or selfish obsession with her personal appearance.

So what’s next? You loons have b*tched about her clothes, her hair, her diet, her vacation choices, her (alleged) graduate school thesis, her childhood home, her mother’s presence on vacations, her shoes, her church, her friendliness with Queen Elizabeth, her inaugural gown, her official appearances, her unofficial appearances, her figure and her alleged hatred of “whitey.” Yet the rest of the world seems to look on her favorably anyway, to your everlasting disgust.

Maybe it’s time to admit the truth: your relentless smear campaign against YOUR First Lady isn’t working. In fact, it’s backfiring on you rather badly.

Big Al
Member

Damn Olivia I thought we were friends!

Olivia
Member

Damn Olivia I thought we were friends!
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Why, OF COURSE we’re friends, Al!

(Just not with each other.) 😉

Babydoll102187
Member

3rd!

Bruce
Guest

“Yet the rest of the world seems to look on her favorably anyway”

No that’s wonderment, as in, how they get 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag. Those Americans, they’re grrrrrreat!

USA! USA! USA!

Olivia, maybe where you come from, 1700 calories of fast food at one sitting is considered “moderation” or a “healthy” diet (whatever that is) or even a midnite snack. BUT, if the first lady, who really finally loves America, in public, doesn’t practice what she preaches, she is no better then her POS husband. And someone needs to call her on it. Or is this all whiteys, righties, and Bush’s fault too? It’s never her husbands fault. All bow down, and praise him, he, and by marriage she, ARE the perfect human beings.

So please post some more drivel on how the POTUS and FLOTUS are perfect. It is somebodies fault not theirs. We are all racists, sexist, morons, (pick one..or pick them all like the first lady does when she sees a restaurant menu) because we do not see their perfection.

Olivia
Member

Olivia, maybe where you come from, 1700 calories of fast food at one sitting is considered “moderation” or a “healthy” diet (whatever that is) or even a midnite snack. BUT, if the first lady, who really finally loves America, in public, doesn’t practice what she preaches, she is no better then her POS husband. And someone needs to call her on it. Or is this all whiteys, righties, and Bush’s fault too? It’s never her husbands fault. All bow down, and praise him, he, and by marriage she, ARE the perfect human beings.

So please post some more drivel on how the POTUS and FLOTUS are perfect. It is somebodies fault not theirs. We are all racists, sexist, morons, (pick one..or pick them all like the first lady does when she sees a restaurant menu) because we do not see their perfection.

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I never said they were “perfect”—that’s just more of that black-and-white mentality that the far right wing media regularly feeds to you guys.

My point was that you’ll go to ridiculous extremes to smear YOUR First Lady, who isn’t even an elected official. And (sorry, Poppajoe, but this is the only way to put it!) that says more about YOUR hatred than it does about any real deficiencies in her behavior.

You also completely twisted what I said in my original post. I never claimed that 1600 (not 1700) calorie meals constitute “moderation” or a ‘healthy diet.” My point was that even dietitians agree that it’s okay to splurge every now and then, just so long as one’s regular diet is healthy, and combined with regular exercise.

Who are you to claim that you know better than they do?

Olivia
Member

“Yet the rest of the world seems to look on her favorably anyway”

No that’s wonderment, as in, how they get 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag. Those Americans, they’re grrrrrreat!

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Psssst, don’t look now, Bruce, but most of the world sees ALL Americans as overweight, including tubby Tea Partiers and their leader and mouthpiece, Jabba the Hutt lookalike Rush Limbaugh. As Dave Barry famously put it, we Americans tend to give the impression of “enormous beef cattle wearing sneakers” when we travel abroad.

Michelle Obama isn’t waiflike, but neither is she the enormous sack of blubber that far righters dearly love to pretend she is. And, as far as I’ve seen, she does practice what she preaches. It’s only her detractors who try to pretend that suggesting a healthy diet, with occasional indulgences, and regular exercise, equals forcing others to eat salad and parsley while she gorges herself on junk food.

But, then, most of you were also taken in by that ridiculous urban legend that she’d gorged herself on room service lobster and champagne at the Ritz. The whole thing was every bit as fake as that prank Sarkozy call that Sarah Palin fell for, but you had no better sense than to swallow it, because (like Palin) you wanted SO badly to believe it was true.

Bruce
Guest

Yes, Americans are over weight. Not just righties, but lefties too. See Michael Moore, see Alec Baldwin, see Chris Matthews, etc. The point is not being over weight, it is being lectured about it by someone who does not have self control in her or his own life.

Occasional indulgence?? Really??
1700 calories of crap is a lot of calories in one sitting. It is not moderation, it is not an indulgence. It is 1700 calories of crap. She’s done it before, she will do it again. I did not elect her, nor her POS husband, but, if she is to be given press and publicity for the things that she thinks we should do, I expect her to LEAD by example and be ready to be called out when they f–k up. She is in the news, she is in the public eye, and like Sarah Palin (I put that in there just cause I know her very name makes you lefties froth at the mouth) she needs to be called out on her “indulgences”.

Olivia
Member

1700 calories of crap is a lot of calories in one sitting. It is not moderation, it is not an indulgence. It is 1700 calories of crap.
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Yes, it is. And, as I’ve already pointed out, most dietitians will tell you that it’s unrealistic to follow a diet-and-exercise regimen that doesn’t include an occasional splurge. Mrs. Obama herself has said that.

Now, I’ll challenge you to do the same thing that I asked another poster to do: Show me your evidence that Mrs. Obama hasn’t followed a healthy diet-and-exercise regimen during the past 15 days prior to the burger-and-shake purchase. Either that, or show me her specific wording, indicating that she was demanding that the rest of us follow a regimen that she doesn’t follow herself.

Or you could just admit that you jumped on this bandwagon because everybody else is doing it, and have no real evidence at all……..

Babydoll102187
Member

2nds please…:)

Bruce
Guest

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/michelle-obama-childhood-obesity-initiative/story?id=9781473

Please show how Michelle HAS followed a proper diet and exercise regime the past 15 days.

Olivia
Member

Please show how Michelle HAS followed a proper diet and exercise regime the past 15 days.

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As I said before (apparently that post got lost), it’s not my job to prove her innocent, but her accusers’ job to prove her guilty.

So best get to work, Bruce. So far, the biggest, loudest and most malicious accusers haven’t come up with one scrap of evidence to back up their wild-eyed claims. 😉

Bruce
Guest

Her accusers are accusing her of eating a 1700 calorie meal. She ias against childhood obesity. She is not leading by example. Please show me the proof that this is a one time indulgence.

Olivia
Member

Her accusers are accusing her of eating a 1700 calorie meal. She ias against childhood obesity. She is not leading by example. Please show me the proof that this is a one time indulgence.

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And, again, YOU, the accuser, have the burden of proof.

Unless you want to expose yourself as a liar, it’s YOUR responsibility to back up your accusations with facts.

Better start digging.

poppajoe49
Member

YOU, the accuser, have the burden of proof.

You all know that when Oblivious gets backed into a corner, she starts screaming for proof. Then she attacks with statements like

“that black-and-white mentality that the far right wing media regularly feeds to you guys”

The Washington Post is now right wing media?
Proof that she can’t wiggle out of this one when she starts calling the Post right wing!

john
Member

Proof? look at her fat ass. By the way what was the diet coke for to neutralize all the other stuff?

poppajoe49
Member

Lots of people order diet drinks because they are diabetic. I have seen it lots of times with senior citizens. The area I live in has a very large senior population, and diet drinks do a brisk business as a result. I don’t believe that she thought she was offsetting the rest of the meal, she’s smarter than that. Besides, the chocolate shake kills any mitigating circumstance.
“ShackBurger, fries, chocolate shake and a Diet Coke”

KimmyQueen
Guest

She has actually gained weight since the inaguration. She should NEVER eat like this WHILE at the same time telling people they need to eat less. She should lead by example. She is not. I dont see her working out, when does she work out and if she does, is she doing the marathon training or something?

Olivia
Member

I dont see her working out, when does she work out and if she does, is she doing the marathon training or something?
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There’s no shortage of articles on the internet about her daily workout routine—-did you even try to find them?

She tries to exercise twice a day (gets up at 4:30 am), although she admits that her schedule sometimes allows it only four days a week. And she does practice what she preaches: occasional splurges with hamburgers, etc., but sticks to a healthy diet in between times.

I’m still waiting to see some evidence from naysayers that she and her personal trainers are lying about her diet and exercise regimen. So far no takers, huh?

http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-fitness-and-health-in-national/michelle-obama-prez-and-i-work-out-daily-want-to-be-fitness-role-models

http://www.womenshealthmag.com/fitness/michelle-obamas-workout

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Michelle-Obama-Explains-Why-She-Works-Out-Twice-a-Day-195890.shtml
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27804469/ns/health-fitness/t/michelle-obamas-arms-hard-won-exercise/

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=375341.0

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Olivia, honey. If Michelle is working out so much, and sticking to a healthy diet most of the time, why is she spreading out to cover such a huge chunk of real estate? Gimme facts and figures, please. Oh, and by the way, first thumb down on that one.

(Hah, there were NO thumbs down on that one when I began to write that short paragraph. By the time I was done, there were SIX! It would seem that we’re not buying your nonsense here, Olivia. Honey.

poppajoe49
Member

Oblivious:
Now, I’ll challenge you to do the same thing that I asked another poster to do: Show me your evidence that Mrs. Obama hasn’t followed a healthy diet-and-exercise regimen

Sorry, Adolf—-no can do.

I’m not going to scurry around collecting evidence to try to persuade you of something that you have no intention of accepting anyway. It matters very little whether you agree with me on this point—I don’t need your stamp of approval.

Don’t it suck when people use your own words to burn you? 😀

Noelegy
Guest

Is it your practice to label everyone with whom you disagree as “far righters?” It may come as a surprise to you that not everyone who reads or comments here considers themselves to be far right, or even right-wing at all.

Olivia
Member

Is it your practice to label everyone with whom you disagree as “far righters?” ******************
No, just those who embrace the far right wing stance on most (or all) issues, treat liberals like the Devil incarnate, and parrot far right wing misconceptions.

That does leave out Alien.

john
Member

“No, just those who embrace the far left wing stance on most (or all) issues, treat conservatives like the Devil incarnate, and parrot far left wing misconceptions. ”
HA HA

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Yes, that is her practice. It’s all they got. We’re also racist, sexist, and every other “ist” she can think of at the time.

john_of_il
Guest

Hey you s****d b***h – why don’t you Google “Media Matters and Dem Groups Form Organization to Track GOP Candidates with Army of Videographers”. Talk about a smear campaign. I guess it’s ok when the dummycrats do it.

Olivia
Member

Hey you s****d b***h – why don’t you Google “Media Matters and Dem Groups Form Organization to Track GOP Candidates with Army of Videographers”. Talk about a smear campaign. I guess it’s ok when the dummycrats do it.

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Well, first of all, whenever I see someone using childish made-up words like “dummycrat,” I know I’m dealing with a hotheaded fool.

Second, this is about Michelle Obama, not Sarah Palin or Media Matters. Why are you even bringing them up here, except as an attempt to deflect?

drb
Member

turds!

john_of_il
Guest

Childish as righties and loons?

You are right, it’s not about Sarah Palin or Media Matters – It’s about your statement “These loons are SOOOOO desperate to smear the First Lady”. Again, it’s not ok to smear your precious but it is ok to smear the GOP?

Signed,
Hot Headed Fool.

Olivia
Member

You are right, it’s not about Sarah Palin or Media Matters – It’s about your statement “These loons are SOOOOO desperate to smear the First Lady”. Again, it’s not ok to smear your precious but it is ok to smear the GOP?

Signed,
Hot Headed Fool.

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Sarah Palin is not a First Lady—she’s a politician, with a well-deserved reputation for slamming liberals and Democrats. It’s kind of unreasonable to expect us to like and support her, don’t you think?

A more honest comparison would be our reaction to Laura Bush. No matter how you try to spin it, Mrs. Bush was never a target for hatred among the left, as Mrs. Obama (as well as Mrs. Clinton, during her First Lady days) has been among the right.

Any effort to compare your attitude toward the First Lady with my atttitude toward the GOP is just silly. Michelle Obama isn’t a political party, and the things the far right criticizes about her have nothing to do with political ideology.

Noelegy
Guest

“Mrs. Bush was never a target for hatred among the left, as Mrs. Obama (as well as Mrs. Clinton, during her First Lady days) has been among the right.”

But “everybody knows” Laura Bush killed a guy, right?

Babydoll102187
Member

Well I wonder if Family Guy will do a skit on Michelle’s fast food frenzy. As they did do a brief “Laura Bush killed a guy” skit.

Olivia
Member

Well I wonder if Family Guy will do a skit on Michelle’s fast food frenzy. As they did do a brief “Laura Bush killed a guy” skit.
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Possibly not. The right wing media spends so much time dreaming up new excuses to slam Michelle Obama that any effort to satirize it would just be redundant.

Quite simply, it’s impossible to satirize something that’s already ridiculously over-the-top.

poppajoe49
Member

That would be why we don’t satirize you!

Olivia
Member

That would be why we don’t satirize you!

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No, that isn’t it. Your idea of satire is to parrot Rush Limbaugh, and pretend you came up with it all by yourself. And Rush is too busy feeding you juvenile lines about the First Lady’s figure (like he has room to talk) to be bothered with telling you how you feel about a private citizen whom he’s never heard of. 😉

poppajoe49
Member

You need to catch up on your reading, I don’t listen to Rush.

drb
Member

I don’t either.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Satirize her? Hell, I don’t even read her.

hisham
Guest

“Sarah Palin is not a First Lady—she’s a politician, with a well-deserved reputation for slamming liberals and Democrats. It’s kind of unreasonable to expect us to like and support her, don’t you think?”

First things first: the MSM started hammering Sarah Palin before she even resigned her governor’s post. The libtard media smeared her and her family during the 2008 campaign cycle and continued to persue, berate, and assault her in an attempt to ruin any potential she may have to run for future office…call me a liar! You can’t because you know I’m right, besides I don’t care if you do or don’t, your opinion means naught to me.

“A more honest comparison would be our reaction to Laura Bush. No matter how you try to spin it, Mrs. Bush was never a target for hatred among the left, as Mrs. Obama (as well as Mrs. Clinton, during her First Lady days) has been among the right.”

Secondly: The LSM (Lame Stream Media) would have gladly raked her over the coals if she had done or said anything the least little bit controversial while her hubby was in the WH. The reason they didn’t is because she, classy individual that she is, didn’t give them that kind of ammunition and she also didn’t “Do as I say, not as I do!” If she’s a hypocrite, she never publicly confirmed it by opening her big fat mouth!

“Any effort to compare your attitude toward the First Lady with my atttitude toward the GOP is just silly. Michelle Obama isn’t a political party, and the things the far right criticizes about her have nothing to do with political ideology.”

Thirdly: She’s as much of an idealogue as her POTUS is and far more politically involved in the political, social, and personal affairs of average Americans than she should be. FLOTUS is, as you say, not a political appointment so she should STFU and STFD and quit treating the position as if it were!

Oblovia, apopletic, or the kinds of things you assert on this site all the time, are NOT equal to apodictic, or the kinds of things we sling back atcha!

Noelegy
Guest

“Michelle Obama doesn’t appear to have gained weight since her husband’s inauguration 2 1/2 years ago”

You cannot be serious.