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President immediately uses Connecticut school shooting to advance political agenda. “As a country, we have been through this too many times… And we’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.” In other words, more gun control. Does this guy ever stop campaigning? For anything?

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RobertW
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December 15, 2012 12:06 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grVVC6BgxK4

barry, i know mulligan stew
and it’s welcome in the melting pot that is America
what you forgot tho, enema of the state, is that you will never understand Americans, because you have never been on of us, 1st 2nd 3rd, 11tyethed generation, you are not, American, you can go your own way now.
let’s begin afresh shall we?

JPTravis
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December 15, 2012 9:58 am

Here’s a Democrat who comes right out and uses the word “exploit”:

“Mr. Nadler was asked whether the Newtown tragedy could be the turning point in many Democrats’ longstanding struggle to enact stronger gun laws.
“I think we will be there if the president exploits it, and otherwise we’ll go on to the next” incident, Mr. Nadler said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/14/dem-lawmaker-get-gun-control-obama-must-exploit-sh/

barbiegirl ny
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barbiegirl ny
December 14, 2012 6:36 pm

I was most impressed with the way Obama was able to pull those tears out of his @$$ on cue. But wait, there’s more….. I’m sure Obama’s next stop on his train of civility is going to be Michigan, where he will decry those who tore down the Americans for Prosperity tent. Then he’ll condemn the actions of the gangsters who destroyed Mr. Tarver’s hot dog cart and yelled racial slurs at him. Finally, you just know that Obama is going to have a serious talk with Democrat legislator, Douglas Geiss, who promises “there will be blood”–was he right, or what? Obama has so much to do before he absconds to his 4 million dollar, tax-paid vacation, but he will go with a clear mind, don’t you doubt me.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:31 am

i’m thinkin don johnson in that movie bout the wwi vets occupying white house, legitimately, and being dispersed illegitimately, but then, one wonders, who is the don johnson agent that can eye something and yet deny the truth of it?

Big Al
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Big Al
December 15, 2012 6:58 am

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

JPTravis
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December 14, 2012 6:04 pm

Here’s another asshat who couldn’t resist playing politics with the tragedy: Ezra Klein of the Washington Post. I seriously don’t know how this sort of person looks at himself in the mirror. He can’t let the parents grieve for ten minutes before trying to advance his liberal agenda.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:27 am

enhance your calm JPattitude.com, spoil that boil @ jpattitude.com, gotta hankerin for canker jpattitude.com will dispel that knell. 🙂 jpattitude.com, the pepto bismol for gorespirit greed and barry’s kids being above the threat of violins upon their shoulders.
calm your tummy aches at jpattitude.com

StrinaM
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December 14, 2012 5:54 pm
drb
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drb
December 14, 2012 5:59 pm

Not to mention that yesterday some crazy knife weilding man killed 20 in China.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:22 am

killed?
killed?
sounds like planned parenthood to me.
on the taxpayers’ dime of course.

flashingscotsman
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December 14, 2012 9:16 pm

Does anyone think the families of these kids would be any less grief stricken, would their lives be any less destroyed, if this nutcase had used a machete instead of guns?

In an article about the asshole the other day in the shopping mall, a thinking person mentioned that cowering in the corner waiting for the police doesn’t seem to work all that well. I must agree.

And Alien, if you’re looking to Obama for help, you might just as well cower in a corner.

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 15, 2012 5:33 pm

“Does anyone think the families of these kids would be any less grief stricken, would their lives be any less destroyed, if this nutcase had used a machete instead of guns?”

Of course not and that is the point. It doesn’t matter the tool, what should matter is the fact that it happened and what to do to keep children as safe as possible. The answer is for tools to be on the hands of good people, not to take the tools away from them.

“cowering in the corner waiting for the police doesn’t seem to work all that well. ” Exactly. A young girl was home alone when a man (who probably knew that and was probably someone in the neighborhood pedophile freak), broke into her home. She called her Mother who told her to get the gun and lock herself up in the bathroom. I am sure that either she or the Mother called the police, but hiding in the bathroom without an effective killing/hurting tool would have not save her from being raped (and very likely killed). While the police arrived she would have been victimized because the man was at her bathroom door. With the weapon she shot through the door shooting his shoulder. Unless he had no brain, and continued to try to get in, she would have been right to kill him. He however turned around and ran out. She didnt have to pursue to kill him, but she did have to protect herself from him while he was in her home uninvited. In a mall NO ONE wants to get shot while shopping. If 50% of those shopping had weapons, when the a**hole walked in and said that he was the shooter, instead of running for cover and waiting for the cops they could have very easily run for cover while taking their guns out and shoot. Very possible even though wearing a suit, he would have turned around and ran away like the coward he obviously was and possibly not hurt one person.

flashingscotsman
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December 21, 2012 11:11 am

It was 4 a.m. when Donna Hopper awoke to a stranger attempting to enter her home. When she refused to open the door, the man announced, “I’m coming in!” Hopper wasn’t sure what to do. “That’s when it came to me—I had a gun,” she recalled. Hopper had purchased a .38-cal. revolver just months prior for safety following the death of her husband. She retrieved the gun just in time as the burglar began prying open the window. That’s when she heard the voice of her father, a longtime police officer, in her head: Two hands, Donna. Keep your elbows straight. She opened fire and connected with the burglar on the third shot. The next day she returned to the gun store where she purchased her firearm to buy a cleaning kit. Shoppers praised her actions. “They all said, ‘Thank you. You’re a brave woman,’” noted Hopper. “I said, ‘No, I’m a scared old woman who just happened to have a gun.’” (The Record Searchlight, Redding, CA, 10/23/11)

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
December 21, 2012 12:04 pm

A lifetimes supply
http://www.hoppes.com/
on me.

flashingscotsman
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December 21, 2012 9:59 pm

Got a couple of big cans of it in my cleaning kit.

For anyone that might be arguing with a lib nitwit, and they say that they’ve never heard of a private citizen stopping a crime, or saving their own life, with a firearm,

http://www.americanrifleman.org/BlogList.aspx?id=21&cpage=7

Hit ’em with a few hundred examples.

ooddballz
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ooddballz
December 22, 2012 6:10 am
flashingscotsman
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December 22, 2012 9:51 am

That’s a good one also. I like the NRA one because each story ends with the news agency that it came from. I don’t usually give libs the entire page link. They keep talking about how guns aren’t used for self defense, that you have a better chance of having the gun taken away and used on you.

Each time, I ask for an example of what they say, then C&P one article from the NRA site, with the reference and date. They can’t argue that it didn’t happen, and they don’t know where I got it, so they can’t accuse me of using biased sources. Then I hit them with another, and another. You can go of for days, grinding the lib into the dirt in front of his lib friends.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
December 22, 2012 2:08 am

Thanks for the link, that was a new one for me. Bookmarked & filed for future, umm, ammo.

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 9:53 pm

Always with the insults.. Do I strike you as one who cowers?

perlcat
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December 14, 2012 11:27 pm

No, there’s not a lot of ‘backdown’ in ol’ Alien.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
December 15, 2012 1:05 am

What is this? I wake up to relieve a little pressure on the bladder (hey, I’m getting old) and check the news & mail and I get this?

My friends sniping & snarking at each other over semantics and policy? WTF people? Maybe a little Corporate Greed™ thrown in just to make it look familiar?

All due respect, f%*k this. I may be half asleep but I’m throwing the BS flag. Night.

flashingscotsman
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December 15, 2012 11:36 am

I was simply making a comparison between the two methods of getting through this kind of thing. Alien, I didn’t say that I think you’re the type to cower while your children are being killed by a madman. I don’t think any of us here, other than Crowley, would do that. But if you expect Obama to do anything constructive, it’s the same thing. It will have the same effect.

No matter what law Obama and his cronies write and pass, next time a lunatic gets hold of guns, and he will, teachers and children will be cowering on the floor waiting to die, instead of being allowed to defend themselves.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 11:27 am

chillax ghosti

we just bantering in preparation for that which is to come

male bonding

grrr. come on snookums, the tree of liberty must be … what? companero? esta que patriots. gone but not forgotten.
we aim to plz.

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 14, 2012 3:48 pm

I feel bad for what happened. It was nonsensical and evil. I am no one to judge or to misjudge or to misinterpret the tears that almost fell down the President’s cheeks… however, if he feels this strongly about the deaths of very innocent children, why exactly is he then pro-abortion?

As for the agenda, it was in bad taste to say that at this time I saw he makes me sick, but that is not new.

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon
December 14, 2012 8:57 pm

Well said, Kimmy.

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 15, 2012 5:24 pm

TY

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:20 am

on the other hand it makes perfect sense.

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 14, 2012 7:30 pm

If there is something wrong with my statement please tell me. Don’t TD and leave it at that if you have a valid retort. My opinion is valid. It is extremely difficult to take his tears as genuine, when he has no problem with women doing abortions (outside of rape or incest) and when he said that if his daughters got pregnant he wouldn’t want them to be “punished” with an unwanted child (meaning abortion is an appropriate thing to do).

Like JP says it is OBVIOUS what he meant considering who he is, and what he has said in the past and how he and his people manuever disasters. It was in bad taste. Just like it was in bad taste to say that the cops acted stupidly or that Treyvon could have been his son.

It is very possible he was really touched due to the impossible to absorb and understand number of children that died today, however, I just have a very bad feeling about it.

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 8:53 pm

I did not TD you, but the rims of his eyes are red. I’m not sure it’s worth the effort to fake that. He’s a dad with kids still, and so am I, and I think it hit him hard like me. I’m also pro-choice to a point (about first trimester should be enough for just about any woman), and I still feel for these kids. I especially teared up thinking about how close these little five year old were to Christmas.

A lot of work kinda shut down at the office today. Dudes talking to their wives, lots of young parents wondering if they should get their kids out of school for the day.

Like you, I got no respect for TD without comment

Night y’all .. I’m out for the night

perlcat
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December 14, 2012 10:07 pm

Flat out, the man has done plenty of things in his presidency that he should be ashamed of — and did not change course. If, for example, my actions led to the unnecessary deaths of others, I’d admit what I did, take responsibility for it, and do what I can to never do it again. None — I repeat, NONE of those things have happened.

Therefore, I simply do not believe that he suffered from any sort of emotion other than that you get when you slice an onion and put your finger in each eye before you go on camera, so you can gin up a few tears, fake some sincerity.

If 0 has tears for these children, and not for the people he got killed through negligence, I have to wonder. Maybe he wasn’t so very sad about them because they were inconvenient, or of the wrong political party, or were just a concern of the wrong political party. He certainly hasn’t done wonders for reaching across the aisle.

I do not believe what people say is an indicator of their character. I believe what people *do* is the ONLY indicator of their character.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 15, 2012 2:52 am

Exactly. None of his actions have ever displayed empathy or compassion. Narcissists don’t care about others.

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 15, 2012 5:23 pm

And that is all that I am saying. Even though I do leave the possibility open that this truly moved him… I cannot simply FORGET everything else that has happened in the past and his attitudes and actions towards those things. What will really tell will be his actions in the future and judging by his veiled words I am thinking that he is still going the course that he set for himself already.

flashingscotsman
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December 14, 2012 9:09 pm

You don’t think the liberal One-World agenda is worth the trouble to it’s present leader? He’s a liar, and pretty good at it when he needs to be. This is another one of those tragedies he’s not going to let go to waste. Watch him closely, in days to come, and if he’s not talking gun control, I’ll eat my favorite straw hat.

Alien
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Alien
December 15, 2012 8:17 am

No he won’t. He doesn’t have that political fight in him. The country will not back him. Regardless of what may or may not lie in his heart, he is not coming for our guns. The power to do so would require an upheaval of unimaginable scale.

Remember how long it took him to “evolve” on the question of gay marriage. That was little more then waiting for favorable and enduring political climate. Such shifting will not occur in gun control politics because of this incident, any more then it did after Aurora or Tucson.

If you are on the terrorist watch list, or clinically diagnosed as mentally ill, there are numerous places where you can legally acquire firearms in the U.S. This is the kind of low hanging fruit that anti-gun folk will reach for, and any politician joining them will be bruised bloody in the fight. And those are the *easiest* battles. Dems have been running scared on gun control for years.

For any significant curtailing of 2nd Amendment rights to occur, the nation will need to overwhelmingly demand it. And that is not happening, regardless of the progressive chatter you hear. If you don’t believe me, I’ve found agreement from the numbers man himself: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/14/in-public-conversation-on-guns-a-rhetorical-shift/

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 15, 2012 8:56 am

As a “gun guy” who will defend the right to own and carry to the fullest, I am just fine with loosening the privacy laws when it comes to mental illness and gun acquisition. That information could be included in standard background checks, couldn’t it? Where am I going wrong? That said, I do see the pitfalls of stigmatizing some poor guy who gets a prescription for sleeplessness and he winds up on a “no sell list”

Alien
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Alien
December 15, 2012 9:04 am

right, the fight would be over false positives. And a cottage industry would emerge around the accreditation & licensing. And though even NRA members favor tighter control around the mentally ill, the politics of getting it passed at national level would be brutal

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 12:18 pm

alien

define brutal? plz?
just so i know.

cuz i think, irl, i know brutal.

flashingscotsman
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December 21, 2012 11:08 am

Obama is good at brutal politics, passing legislation that the people are against.

flashingscotsman
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December 15, 2012 11:16 am

Obama has already proven that he will fight long and hard to shove legislation down our throats that the population is against.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:00 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkDE8mWJWOA

i’m ok with it so long as it applies to cic and doj top to bottom

Kip Hooker
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December 14, 2012 9:01 pm

I’m more cynical about Presidents and tears. But time will tell how much this has effected Obama . . . and if those were real tears I imagine he’ll be taking a real hard look at all the harm his actions have done and apologize to the victims of Fast and Furious and Benghazi and stop the stonewalling.

http://youtu.be/BnQ0g4BhHss

flashingscotsman
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December 15, 2012 11:12 am

And to the dead in his beloved Chicago, which he has allowed to turn into a warzone.

Kip Hooker
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December 20, 2012 3:30 pm

True that!

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 11:18 am

his beloved Chicago

you pre-suppose he knows what love is.

define narcisist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2En0ZyjQgU4

StrinaM
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December 14, 2012 3:28 pm

If I were a conspiracy nut like any on the left blaming 911 on an inside job, I’d think this was brought about by the administration to advance his gun control agenda…

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 15, 2012 8:23 pm

The reason for me to feel that way, is that there are now way too many incidents one after the other. The last big crime in the area was two years ago I was told? If that is the case, this would be the perfect location for anti gun agenda. For this to happen in gun riddled inner city Chicago the media will be like yeah that is really awful but the stats doesnt make this surprising, however for this to happen in a community like this just has to prove that guns are now out of control and really need to be controlled. I dont know… I dont like being a conspiracy theorist person but it just FEELS weird. The stories of people fighting off burglars or rapists with weapons arent in the MSM but stories like these are and then when it is great numbers of casualties like this it is undeniable that it has to be payed. The latest issue in the mall fortunately there werent many lost of life, so it did not really stayed in the news cycle for very long. I don’t know it is a crazy thought admittingly but I cannot help it.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 8:38 pm

you think you’re the only one can’t help them crazy thots?
least you don’t need meds to deal with it.

flashingscotsman
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December 21, 2012 11:06 am

If a madman walked into an inner-city Chicago school intent on murder, the KIDS would cut him to pieces. Even with the sights on the side of the gun instead of the top, there would be enough lucky shots to take the guy out.

Progressive Hemrrhoid
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Progressive Hemrrhoid
December 15, 2012 6:59 am

I wouldn’t be surprised, this whole tragedy has a bad smell to it.

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon
December 14, 2012 8:56 pm

Yep.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 15, 2012 2:49 am

I said it on another thread; I wouldn’t be shocked to learn that this and other recent shooters were de facto suicide bombers in order to gin up anti gun sentiment.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 14, 2012 3:14 pm

I heard his address on the radio while my wife was in a store. Twice he went toward the political agenda of gun control without mentioning it specifically.

Even when he shows emotion, he has to have a political agenda. For God’s sake do something presidential, be a leader, just don’t stand at the podium and shows crocodile tears.

There are going to be hundreds of people affected by this, at least past presidents would have said or done something of value without throwing down their agenda.

Fast and Furious didn’t work, so lets capitalize on a tragedy where many little children lost their lives through no fault of their own. I don’t believe there is any human emotion left in president empty suit.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:17 am

he’s not american
not pres for sure.
infiltrator and invader
he finds your lack of belief in the true power of the dark side, disturbing.

now (edit) gurgle and (end edit)play dead.

Neo-7
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Neo-7
December 14, 2012 3:56 pm

Anyone remember Clinton biting his lower lip and tearing up ? “I feel your pain “.

Always pretending to look like they care .

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon
December 14, 2012 8:56 pm

The premier con man of 20th century America.

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 2:40 pm

I, for one, was moved by his tears

My kids are now home safe, and I understand exactly what he was saying

That he says we need to take some sort of meaningful action makes total sense to me, and it could mean a lot of things outside of gun control. It could mean culling out the $*#()$# deranged from the herd, before they get their hands on weapons.

For this day, at least, i reserve my ire for the loser behind the horror

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:14 am

For this day, at least, i reserve my ire for the loser behind the horror
A monkeyfarmin right

JPTravis
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December 15, 2012 8:47 am

Were you moved by Clinton’s tears, too, when he was in France and picked up the little flag that had fallen? Turned out that was completely staged and the tears were phony. The problem with most of us is this: we constantly underestimate the depths to which liberal politicians will sink.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
December 15, 2012 2:47 pm

How about Clinton defiling Omaha Beach on a D-day anniversary? Ask Yahoo

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729101705AA6PHGf

Oh, oh tears on demand? Oops camera!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf8TOGrq8Bo

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 6:52 pm

I’m better than that, and i ain’t even the president.

drb
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drb
December 15, 2012 8:49 am

In politics every move is choreographed. It’s all about the propaganda, and getting the right snapshot.

Alien
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Alien
December 15, 2012 9:00 am

I don’t remember that particular scene with Clinton. But there is no way to convince me that every possible display of emotion by a politician is staged. Was Bush’s stirring speech at Ground Zero just an act? Because I’ve known many liberals who assert just that, and that’s utter bullshit

drb
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drb
December 15, 2012 9:12 am

trust me they are all coached and groomed first regardless of the situation so they can put their spin on it.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 12:24 pm

coach
groom
secret racism code words

Alien
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Alien
December 15, 2012 9:25 am

I’ll grant that political operatives swirl around them, always nearby and meddling, but it doesn’t mean that Bush wasn’t aggrieved that day.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 11:08 am

barry sop

do not disturb forestroke.

or

it’s live, not xbox

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 15, 2012 9:36 am

He was but no one accused him of being a preening narcissist.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 10:56 am
RobertW
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December 15, 2012 12:27 pm
Big Al
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Big Al
December 15, 2012 6:52 am

At least this time he didn’t give a “shout out”. Somebody is coaching him.

Joe
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Joe
December 14, 2012 11:40 pm

Oh Alien. He and everyone in his administration are Chicago gangsters. He believes in very strict gun control, because he is a liberal-progressive-Democrat. He will use this tragedy to advocate that. “And we’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.” The key line is “regardless of the politics.” What he’s really saying is “if Republicans like it or not, I’ll do it on my own.” What has this guy done that should make me think otherwise?

I also wouldn’t be surprised if we see the MSM advocate gun control while simultaneously showing pictures of the children involved and grieving parents. I don’t know if it’s happened yet, I stopped watching all those idiots, but it will. Don’t be fooled by these people. They will use any crisis they can, exploit any tragedy they can to promote their agenda.

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon
December 14, 2012 8:55 pm

Moved by the tears of a con man. Shame.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 10:59 am

con person, tyvm harry

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 15, 2012 2:45 am

What tears? He was acting.

JPTravis
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December 14, 2012 4:33 pm

“That he says we need to take some sort of meaningful action makes total sense to me, and it could mean a lot of things outside of gun control.”

C’mon, get real, you know, we know, the whole world knows what he meant. The mand sold thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels simply to make a better case for gun control – we know where his heart is.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 10:58 am

guns in benghazzi too

flashingscotsman
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December 15, 2012 11:08 am

And I assume the F-16s to Egypt are for peaceful purposes.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 11:14 am

82nd Field Artillerymen on display to show king carlos the benefits of being a member of nato?

i tasted the soup of a Spanish olive orchard one bleak and cold november night…
somethin that just was.

in other words, ya had to be there, to understand.
and here, i e from where i sit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPJvk4t6SQ

Neo-7
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Neo-7
December 14, 2012 3:34 pm

But then that would be construed as voter suppression .

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 3:45 pm

So be it.. if you’re psychotic and prone to rampaging from behind a hail of bullets or blades, get thee to a nunnery or suitable state-run madhouse

speaking of nuns and madness, anyone liking American Horror Story..? Crazy ass show

MDLION
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MDLION
December 15, 2012 11:21 am

Alien:”nuns and madness”

I watched the first episode of American Horror last year, and it was a little too strange for me. I’m more than tired of priests, nuns, Christians and conservatives being portrayed almost exclusively as crazed evildoers in modern entertainment. Come on, entertainment people! Don’t be afraid to show us abusive public school teachers, evil secular asylums, and murderers killing in the name of godless atheism.

Alien
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Alien
December 15, 2012 3:52 pm

It’s a totally different storyline then 1st season. There is a great clash between science and religion. The scientist is not a good man. There is literal devilry at play and those of faith that oppose it. Certainly not for everyone

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 7:00 pm

science and which religion?

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 12:34 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgraIAyFz-8

mcdowell as priest
witch lansbury?
srsly?

soz, i gotta vomit now.

JPTravis
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December 15, 2012 11:27 am

I watched a Mentalist re-run the other day that started with a murder victim lying next to a pentagram. I knew immediately that the ultimate culprit would NOT be the local witch, but somebody trying to frame the poor misunderstood woman. I was correct.

deepthinker
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deepthinker
December 14, 2012 2:32 pm

There are still grieving families and this self indignant ass hole is out talking about more gun control. Here’s an idea. Have every person over the age of 18 armed at all times. Notice where these shootings are happening. They are happening in so called gun free or no gun zones. This is the perfect spot for such terrible tragedies. Only those hell bent on causing as much carnage as possible are armed. There’s no defending or explaining what these two brothers have done. It’s not the gun, it’s the user of the gun or the car, plane, or any other object that’s used to kill how is to blame. I can lay anyone of my weapons down and it’s not going to harm a sole. Yet if its used by an evil person to do it evil, it’s the person at fault.

Check the headlines a man in China has slashed several children with a knife.

Lets pray for the survivors, comfort them ands top with the political posturing bull shit from barry, Doomberg and others.

tincan53
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tincan53
December 14, 2012 3:22 pm

You are absolutely correct. Two words come to mind in a world that has taken all weapons away. Timothy McVeigh. He killed 168 people in the blink of an eye without firing a single shot from a rifle or a pistol. 168 men, women and children. No weapons at all.

If there is a will, there is a way. You can’t stop evil when evil wants to kill. Unless you are ready for it. Gun free zones… what a freaking joke.

Sweden has the lowest crime rate in the world. Why? Because their citizens are armed. No gun free zones for them.

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 3:41 pm

Sweden, or Switzerland?

The Swiss have themselves a fortress, that’s for sure.. i’d love to visit

StrinaM
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December 14, 2012 4:00 pm

I think it’s the Swiss… They must have assault rifles because they can be called on to serve in their militia if needed, I believe. One of the safest countries in the world. There is also a city in Utah that requires each person who can, legally financially ect, own a gun and ammo.
That guy in China isn’t the first to go on a slashing spree either. The guy today hurt 22 kids and at least one adult.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 14, 2012 5:18 pm

It is the Swiss. Mandatory military service and you keep your weapon at home once done. Also a homogenous society with a decent culture. That helps minimize the violence.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:13 am

let’s not forget the basques, the swiss guards come from there, and they know how to use a shepherd’s crook, if ya know what i mean.

bgirardo
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December 14, 2012 2:15 pm

Team;

At any other time I would agree with you, however, in this instance, the President had to speak.

This is already an tragic incident of massive proportions … there is no way for us to understand how the parents feel. Lets take a second and just pray for the families of everyone concerned.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:08 am

oh crap, i ut’d you dude, i was on a roll, but wow
first off :in this instance, the President had to speak.
no, barry is not a legal president, he is kenyan, he is squatting in the white house.
ergo, nothing follows or you give all he’s done credibility.
he’s an invader.

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon
December 14, 2012 9:06 pm

Shortly after Columbine I had dozens of co-workers saying the same thing you say here, followed with the likes of ‘but we have got to do something!’ Usually these debates centered around sporting purpose ‘rights’ and muzzleloaders were what the Framers were talking about and they could not possibly have foreseen the destructive force afforded by these evil semi-automatic assault weapons. Speaking to the political aspect of gun control in the wake of this tragedy is only to play on the emotions of those people unaware of the true meaning of the Bill of Rights Second Amendment, and that is absolutely wrong.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:10 am

they have a point, aim small miss small.

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 2:50 pm

Exactly.. if he didn’t speak, that would be a tragedy.. If he left us thinking that status quo is fine, equally so..

perlcat
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December 14, 2012 3:05 pm

I don’t have a problem with him addressing the nation. Sometimes the situation *calls* for leadership.

I have a problem with him using a tragedy to push legislation. There’s a fine line between being sensitive and being scum. The J0ker-in-chief pole-vaulted over that line, and is going gangnam-style on the bodies of kindergarteners.

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 3:38 pm

i really didn’t detect a big push for any particular leglislation.. i saw a 3:47 clip on cnn.com, and maybe i missed something? What I saw seemed entirely apolitical, and not worthy of rebuke on any scale

The real tragedy is that someone else went gangnam-style on the bodies of kindergarteners, and his mom, and his dad, or whoever else evil sicko decided had to leave this coil with him

I’m seeing a lot of anger against Obama here and elsewhere, which seems grossly disproportionate to his words and very out-of-sync with what actually went down, and I seriously don’t get it.

I’ll go see if I missed something in his speech.. it HAS to be more specific then “come together and take meaningful action” to worry me over the 2nd Ammendment

JPTravis
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December 14, 2012 4:31 pm

How can you have missed the offensive words? I quoted them in the post. THIS WAS NOT THE TIME TO DEMAND LEGISLATION FOR GUN CONTROL. He demonstrated a complete lack of class. Again.

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 5:05 pm

The same words I also quoted above (at least the salient sub-quote)?

Yeah, call me not worried. The fact that this short little speech makes you angry really confounds me. I haven’t had room for any rage against Obama or politicians today. The phrasing (codewords?) you targeted is just too vague for me

perlcat
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December 14, 2012 9:55 pm

Here’s why that bit gets me ticked off: As Conservatives, we tend to get used as the straw man in a blatant attempt to both dehumanize us and to push a political agenda.

Example: One of Mark Levin’s friends sent him an email saying that “Horrific situations like this are to the Left what late term abortions are to the Right.” It arrogantly presumes that, by omission, we are either complacent, or in favor of this sort of thing. The logic is as stupid as it gets. Object to someone taking advantage of a horrible situation to steal our rights, get labelled as a friend of murderers. Gee, I have *no* idea why that would piss me off.[/sarc]

We have had a lot of history of “Gun violence occurs. The Left talks gun control. The Right objects. Therefore, the Left tells all and sundry that the Right is in favor of gun violence.”

When I hear the First S0B start up the same thing that we’ve been hammered with every fucking time that some psycho hauls off and murders a bunch of people, you’ll have to excuse me for saying “I don’t think the smug little prick deserves the benefit of the doubt anymore.” Mr. Fast and Furious has no room to talk. He (or, if you believe his AG, no-one in particular) fed guns to gangs to create a situation to cause people to demand gun control. That shit’s been going on since Roman times — foment riots, move your goons in to take control, claim you’re the protector of the city, profit. I don’t need his detailed agenda in front of me to figure out what’s going on.

I’ll start giving 0 the luxury of the benefit of the doubt when he stops stooping to dehumanizing his political opponents for short-term political gain. In a war, you don’t tell your sentries to stand down while the enemy is ramping up for an attack.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 12:22 pm

that’s enuf out of you…
where’s the stones?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grVVC6BgxK4

JPTravis
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December 14, 2012 5:54 pm

Okay, here’s another way to look at it. If he wasn’t referring to gun control when he mentioned taking action, what could he possibly have meant? Is Barack Obama going to admit that God is missing from the classroom so we’re raising kids with no sense of right and wrong? Is he going to suggest that teachers carry firearms? Is he going to admit that young men have a sense of hopelessness about life because there are no jobs for them so he will reverse the economic program he’s been insituting? What?

I repeat: we all know what he meant, and I suspect within a few weeks we’ll have our proof… okay, maybe not in a few weeks because he’s headed to Hawaii for another extended stay.

flashingscotsman
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December 14, 2012 8:58 pm

Alien, unless you’re saying that you think the action he was talking about is to eliminate “gun-free” zones and make schools a safer place by arming well trained teachers and staff, you’re wrong. We all know exactly what he meant, don’t try to tell me he didn’t mean more gun control.

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 8:29 pm

Maybe cuz I’m a bit younger than most here but I’ve really only seen gun rights expand, in general, and perhaps part of that was moving out West when I was 20. It felt like Dems mostly gave up on gun control politics in the 90s, especially after Waco and Ruby Ridge. I can’t conceive of any credible effort to disarm the populace getting off the ground. The shitstorm would be unimaginable.

It’s done. SCOTUS secured interpretation of 2nd Amendment as an individual right for the foreseeable future. Despite occasional legal drama, castle and stand-your-ground laws aren’t going anywhere. Assault weapons ban won’t again be passed anytime soon

So when Obama talks about doing something meaningful, I believe it’s much more likely he is talking about a federal standard for background checks or shoring up mental health programs, or investing more in site specific security (a squad protecting every elementary school would be roughly half million serviceman.. just some jerkoff math for discussion).

I could be wrong, but Obama strikes me being to the right of Bloomburg and Ezra on this. And I think that grief was heartfelt

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon
December 14, 2012 8:51 pm

For your perusal:
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“I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”
Barak Obama, as quoted to John R. Lott, Jr., PhD, while both were working at the University of Chicago Law School in 1996. From the book “Debacle”, by Grover G. Norquist and John R Lott, Jr., John Wiley & Sons, Inc.: Publisher

“I just want you to know that we are working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
Barak Obama to Sarah Brady regarding gun control. Jason Horowitz, Washington Post, April 11th, 2011

“I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers’ lobby.”
From “The Audacity of Hope” by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

“Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.”
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes , Oct 21, 2004

Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?
A: “As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.”

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: “I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.”
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008

Q. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate , Apr 16, 2008

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 12:20 pm

lol jp. i got disappeared so many times last night, i laff at your naivete.
ha ha.

drb
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drb
December 15, 2012 9:13 am

xgman certainly deserved it

Alien
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Alien
December 15, 2012 9:08 am

the last guy I TD’d was xgman, probably.. I just reserve it for the worst sort of bigotry

JPTravis
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December 15, 2012 8:45 am

Man, there’s a lot of thumbs down in this thread. I thought we were having a civil discussion… or at least as civil as I ever get.

Alien
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Alien
December 14, 2012 8:57 pm

Damn your evidence!

All right I’ll scour on the morrow

PsychoDad
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December 14, 2012 2:14 pm

Really, surprised?

Progressive Hemrrhoid
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Progressive Hemrrhoid
December 14, 2012 2:09 pm

And after they find out that the scumbag who did the shooting was the son of a teacher at the school, who killed his parents and most likely stole the weapons from them in the process was a flaming liberal like the last few loons, they will still blame the tool, not the crazy.

Trickie
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Trickie
December 14, 2012 1:55 pm

That POS, instead of being a leader, he’s being a cheerleader for gun control …. there’s no words

Dan
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Dan
December 14, 2012 1:50 pm

Obama = 0 leadership. Anyone with an IQ above that of a toaster has ceased listening to him – years ago.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:06 am

he treated benghazzi like a video game.

CO2Insanity
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December 14, 2012 1:40 pm

The only way to prevent these things from happening is to have trained and armed teachers. Had someone been armed at the school this guy never would have gotten as far as he did.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 9:02 am

train the children self defense instead of sheep

naught else lay down play dead, live to fight another day, and God keep me plz prayer.

NO U.S. school deserves to be grenada’d, nor al q aid dud

drb
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drb
December 14, 2012 6:24 pm

I had the same thought earlier today when one of the MSM new idiots started in with their gun control crap. Then I remembered that there is an armed police officer at my kids’ school everyday. Kids seem to like him.

sifi
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sifi
December 14, 2012 6:15 pm

Concealed Carry Teachers. I like that idea. Must be well trained and proven stable.

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 14, 2012 3:56 pm

For that we need more conservative teachers who aren’t squeamish about ending an evil person’s life.

danybhoy
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danybhoy
December 14, 2012 1:43 pm

No, that sign that states “We are a gun free zone” should be enough. I laugh every time I see that sign when I go to my local mall, which I did this afternoon.

KimmyQueen
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KimmyQueen
December 14, 2012 7:25 pm

“We are a gun free zone” = Rob me please! I will not shoot you and you can kill me too for good measure.

danybhoy
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danybhoy
December 15, 2012 4:52 pm

If I really wanted to go out with a bang, so to speak, it would be at a place that is a “gun free zone”, like a mall where nobody could fight back.

RobertW
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December 15, 2012 6:35 pm

HA. malls are great fun even w/out a gun… so many choice, multi-level, slick surfaces, the vast unaware multitudes, the husbands bored w/waiting on wife shopping.

just waiting for the opportunity to crash out of their boring lives for 15 mins of pure unadulterated glory, stopping harm

danybhoy
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danybhoy
December 14, 2012 1:33 pm

Again, guns will be blamed instead of the mentally unstable asshat who commited the act. We will find out he raised more red flags then you’ll see ata May Day Parade, & nobody did antything to act on them. We see this story every time we have 1 of these tragic mass shootings.

perlcat
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December 14, 2012 1:33 pm

In other news, the 0ccupant in the White House is opportunistic scum.

danybhoy
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danybhoy
December 14, 2012 1:34 pm

Never let a crisis go to waste.

I’m just waiting for their Reichstad fire moment, wheter or not they set it.

perlcat
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December 14, 2012 10:14 pm

They’ll *have* to set it. Their political opponents are distressingly law-abiding — for all of the MisAdministration’s labeling them “potential domestic terrorists” by virtue of owning a firearm.

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