Want to save black babies’ lives? That makes you a racist.

by editor on June 24, 2011

Black is beautiful just turned ugly. A California organization has been accused of racism because it ran pro-life outdoor boards in black neighborhoods.

Of course it sounds insane. But Representative Barbara Lee is involved in the story, so it’s insane by definition.

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Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Just keep repeating it until it's meaningless.

CNB has the story of the aborted ad campaign:

…The Issues4Life Foundation and The Radiance Foundation have launched a pro-life billboard campaign with the goal of saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of black babies aborted in America each year.

“The impact of abortion in the black community is the Darfur of America,” Walter B. Hoye II, president of the Issues4Life Foundation, told Life Site News.

The signs in question contain the message “Black & Beautiful” and are going up in largely black communities in Oakland, Calif.

Statistics show that black women are three times more likely to have abortions as the general population. So it would seem to be a good idea to run the ads in black neighborhoods. But, no, attempting to save the lives of black babies is – you guessed it – racist.

… Planned Parenthood and California pro-choice groups are calling the ads racist. They say the “black & beautiful” slogan is too close to the “black is beautiful” cultural-pride campaign made popular in the 1960s.

Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., has also spoken out against the billboards.

“I am deeply offended by the race-based billboards that are being displayed in my congressional district by the Radiance Foundation and Issues4life,” she said in a statement.

“These billboards stigmatize women of color and perpetuate myths about parenting skills and the types of women who seek and use abortion services,” Lee added.

You know the race mongers have truly jumped the shark when attempting to save the lives of black babies is called racism.

And in the case of Barbara Lee, it’s just too bad that retroactive abortion isn’t legal.

Source: CBN

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CO2Insanity
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Oblivia – a legend in her own mind.

KaylaKW
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haha 🙂 LIKE

KaylaKW
Member

I’d like everyone to check this out, I know a lot won’t but if you really want to hear about abortion, read about the people that experienced it first-hand… literally. The survivors of abortion. The first one has more actual survivor stories than the second. Although the second has some too.

http://joseromia.tripod.com/survivors.html

http://www.teenbreaks.com/abortion/abortionsurvivors.cfm

KaylaKW
Member

Firstly, please decide whether you are pro-life or pro-choice/abortion. Personally I am confused as to where you stand because your story has changed 3 times now.

And since I know you’re going to ask, you always do:
“But, now that you’ve dragged emotionalism into the discussion, I’ll freely admit that I don’t like abortion;”
Translation:against abortion.

“What you do NOT have the right to do is interfere with any woman’s efforts to seek a (legal) abortion, or demand that she explain to you her reasons for doing so.”
Here it is where I get confused… are you for or against it?

“I support keeping abortion safe and legal, NOT because I personally like abortion (I don’t)”
And we’re back to against it…

Maybe there’s something else you can clear up for me. Why exactly is it that you seem to believe that pro-choice and pro-abortion are not the same thing? Because I believe they are. If you are a supporter of choice you are a supporter of abortion. I don’t care if “[you] firmly believe that a woman is better qualified to manage her own reproductive system (and its contents) than, as right wingers like to call it, ‘Nanny Government,’ ” you are still supporting the ABORTION that the white/black/Mexican/Asian/Italian, or any other minority that I’m missing, CHOOSES to do.

And honestly I quite frankly don’t care if you call me pro-life, anti-choice, anti-baby-killer. You make it up I’ll take it as long as it means pro-life/anti-choice, because that’s what i am.

Olivia
Member

Firstly, please decide whether you are pro-life or pro-choice/abortion. Personally I am confused as to where you stand because your story has changed 3 times now.
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No, it hasn’t changed at all. Your confusion is probably due to the fact that you’re trying to pigeonhole me according to bogus stereotypes.

Let me dumb it down a bit more: I’m pro-choice, meaning that I firmly believe in women having the right to choose abortion, without being obligated to justify their choice to nosy politicians, clergymen or gossipmongers.

I’m NOT pro-abortion, because I don’t like the idea of abortion. If I could wave a magic wand and wish that unwanted pregnancies would never happen, I would.

I’m pro life, in that the career I chose involves saving lives, and in that I’m opposed to war except as a last resort. (And I mean LAST.)
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And since I know you’re going to ask, you always do:
“But, now that you’ve dragged emotionalism into the discussion, I’ll freely admit that I don’t like abortion;”
Translation:against abortion.
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“Against abortion” personally. That’s not the same thing as thinking the government ought to make it illegal.
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“What you do NOT have the right to do is interfere with any woman’s efforts to seek a (legal) abortion, or demand that she explain to you her reasons for doing so.”
Here it is where I get confused… are you for or against it?
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I’m for the right to choose. This is not a difficult concept, Kayla. You seem to have difficulty telling the difference between supporting a civil liberty because it’s the right thing to do, and supporting it out of self-interest. In fact, I have NO personal investment here, since I’ve never had an abortion, and don’t personally know anyone (other than my patients who choose to tell me about it) who has. But I strongly believe that women are better qualified than (as far righters like to put it) Nanny Government, to manage their own uteruses.
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…..Maybe there’s something else you can clear up for me. Why exactly is it that you seem to believe that pro-choice and pro-abortion are not the same thing? Because I believe they are. If you are a supporter of choice you are a supporter of abortion. I don’t care if “[you] firmly believe that a woman is better qualified to manage her own reproductive system (and its contents) than, as right wingers like to call it, ‘Nanny Government,’ ” you are still supporting the ABORTION that the white/black/Mexican/Asian/Italian, or any other minority that I’m missing, CHOOSES to do.
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No, I am not. I am supporting the freedom of every American to decide for herself.
I think it’s very telling that you don’t get the distinction there. Apparently you don’t know or understand much about the price of living in a free country, if you expect to make everyone else conform to YOUR personal beliefs.
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And honestly I quite frankly don’t care if you call me pro-life, anti-choice, anti-baby-killer. You make it up I’ll take it as long as it means pro-life/anti-choice, because that’s what i am.
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And I support your right to be any and all of those things, if you choose. But you still don’t have the right to force other women to follow in your footsteps if they prefer not to.

Olivia
Member

Author: Geoff B
Comment:
Why is it people who use phrases like “anti-choice get so pissed off when they are called “pro-abortion”?
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That’s a good question, and I can answer it.

Pro choicers usually object to being called “pro-abortion” because it’s a deliberately misleading term. I support keeping abortion safe and legal, NOT because I personally like abortion (I don’t), but because I firmly believe that a woman is better qualified to manage her own reproductive system (and its contents) than, as right wingers like to call it, “Nanny Government.”

In the same way, it’s more accurate to refer to those who oppose legal abortion as “antichoice,” rather than “pro life.”

Geoff B
Member

Why is it people who use phrases like “anti-choice get so pissed off when they are called “pro-abortion”?

perlcat
Member

The linguistic fig leaf only covers up libs, Geoff. They can dish it out (especially to the unborn), but they can’t take their own bitter medicine.

Situational ethicists. They claim morals only when it is convenient, proving that they have no morals whatsoever.

Sidekick
Member

So, do we understand each other now? I hope so…
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No. we will never understand each other. I brought no emotion into this other than to say that a low value placed on life is sad. Ugly is not an emotion. You have run on and on about your pro life position and then you suddenly change direction and say you don’t like it. What a cop out. You argue for the sake of it. You seem to have no core values.
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because I really, REALLY get tired of the lies and the false accusations.
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I don’t lie and I do not make false accusations but I do read what you write and changing course now does not offset your earlier position(s). Now, we are done. Have a nice weekend.

KimmyQueen
Guest

“You seem to have no core values.” So…. she’s a liberal.

You will never be done with the stalker. The stalker always wants to have the last word. Let her have it. The stalker is pathetic.

Sidekick
Member

Kimmy, You are so right. BTW, I want to recommend to you and anyone else David Mamet’s new book “The Secret Knowledge” Being a wordsmith, his prose is both succinct and profound at the same time.

Olivia
Member

No. we will never understand each other. I brought no emotion into this other than to say that a low value placed on life is sad. Ugly is not an emotion. You have run on and on about your pro life position and then you suddenly change direction and say you don’t like it. What a cop out.
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Wrong. I have never made any secret of the fact that I’m personally opposed to abortion.

I’m also personally opposed to smoking, poor hygiene and tasteless looking tattoos. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that I think any or all of those practices should be criminalized.

David Bishop
Member

Did you just compare smoking and tattoos to the murder of a human being? ARE YOU F*CKING SERIOUS?

perlcat
Member

The sad part is that she is, and the frightening part is that there are many like her.

Olivia
Member

Did you just compare smoking and tattoos to the murder of a human being? ARE YOU F*CKING SERIOUS?

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A fetus is not “a human being” under the law, David. What’s more, the term “murder” has legal consequences, so you’re using it inappropriately here, as abortion is legal.

Yes, I KNOW the idea of abortion makes your blood boil. Yes, I KNOW the very thought of abortion procedure is repugnant. And, yes, I’ve spent time with patients who cried their hearts out over an unexpected miscarriage; I’ve held stillborn fetuses in my hands; and I know how emotionally wrenching it is to think of all that human potential coming to naught. But this isn’t about what YOU want. It’s not about pampering MY feelings. IT’S ABOUT EMPOWERING WOMEN TO GOVERN THEIR OWN BODIES, IN PRIVATE, WITHOUT BIG GOVERNMENT STEPPING IN TO REGULATE THEM.

It amazes me that someone like you, who is in no way qualified to manage someone’s OB/GYN or mental health concerns, thinks he knows better than the woman in question, or the licensed physician s/he chooses to consult, what’s right for her and her body. You’ve been programmed to see every pregnancy termination as a cold-blooded slaughter, where in fact the situation might be quite different.

THAT is why I compared abortion to smoking or tattoos, Mr. Concrete Thinker. Not because the emotional consequences are similar—-obviously they’re not—-but because making up laws to punish smokers or bearers of tasteless tattoos, just because I don’t approve of these things, would be an example of trampling on others’ rights, in order to gratify my own prejudices. And that is NOT the way things should be done in a free country.

Olivia
Member

Author: Sidekick
Comment:
If you do not see an inherent problem with a demographic representing only 13% of the total female population having 36% of all abortions in the US, then you are either a eugenicist or have a very black heart.
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You’re jumping to ridiculous conclusions, Kick. I’ve said nothing about my personal feelings here, because my personal feelings are irrelevant. But, now that you’ve dragged emotionalism into the discussion, I’ll freely admit that I don’t like abortion; I hate waste (and, more than any other waste, I hate the idea of wasted life); and I’m sorry to see women of ANY color feeling that abortion is the lesser of two or more evils for them.

That said, I don’t see the far right doing ANYTHING whatsoever to try to find out why so many women feel the need to abort. They’re merely jumping to judgmental conclusions: “They’re promiscuous.” “They’re irresponsible.” “They don’t like the way they look in a prom dress.” “They won’t keep their legs together.” “They’re too lazy to use birth control.” Now, I ask you: when I see antichoicers jumping to nasty conclusions like these, why would I believe that they have the woman’s best interest at heart, or that they give a flying fig about her, her race or her offspring?
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By the way, I failed to mention that your comment responding to mine about abortions being ugly procedures was incredibly stupid.
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My purpose was to point out that you’re arguing cheap emotionalism, rather than logic. Poverty, after all, is ugly, too. So are poverty related social problems like addiction and abuse. But, again, what are right wingers doing about those, other than blaming the poor for their own plight?
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……. Just because abortion is legal does not make it right.
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If you feel that way, I heartily support your right not to have one. I’ll even go so far as to say that I don’t have a problem with you (legally) displaying signs like the one in the story here, or bumper stickers that say “Abortion stops a beating heart.” Hold all the prayer rallies you please. Why, I admit that you even have the right to vote for a dolt like Sarah Palin, if you feel that being anti-choice is a more important qualification for a president than having a brain.

What you do NOT have the right to do is interfere with any woman’s efforts to seek a (legal) abortion, or demand that she explain to you her reasons for doing so. Nor do you have the right to misrepresent the motives of pro-choice liberals like me—–and I’ll challenge you on it every time you try to pull it around here.

So, do we understand each other now? I hope so….because I really, REALLY get tired of the lies and the false accusations.

David Bishop
Member

When law is passed that makes abortions illegal and a violation of the bill of rights, will you defend it as vehemently as you do abortion?

Olivia
Member

When law is passed that makes abortions illegal and a violation of the bill of rights, will you defend it as vehemently as you do abortion?

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For that to happen, fetuses would have to be awarded civil rights, David. And that’s not ever going to happen. Why? It would become a legal nightmare. Women who miscarried would be liable for criminal investigation. Such a law would reduce pregnant women to little more than baby factories. In certain situations, it would pit the fetus against the body nourishing it as legal adversaries. I can also see unscrupulous spouses and significant others taking advantage of such laws as a way of punishing or subjugating wives.

Really, I’m rather shocked at you. You come across as a diehard libertarian in some ways—-but, on this issue, you seem to want the government to be turned into the most repressive of regimes. And the heavy-handed practices you’re advocating would be hideously expensive to the taxpayers, as well as a horribly punitive atmosphere for women of childbearing age.

No, I would never defend such a practice. Nor would it ever be adopted here in the U.S., unless the Constitution were thrown out, and a new totalitarian regime, focusing on punishment rather than freedom, were installed. And, of course, unless taxpayers like you wanted to pay billions more dollars to incarcerate poor women (the rich would still get around anti-abortion laws, just as they always have, by traveling abroad for their abortions, or getting their doctors to prescribe a D&C) for years on end, and farm out their children into foster care.

That’s an awfully big price for a nation to pay, just to see your own prejudices made into legal policy.

David Bishop
Member

You’re right Olivia. I do have a prejudice. I believe that from conception, there is a living being. I believe that living being should have rights. I believe in the case of a mother’s life being pitted against that of her babies, doctors should utilize triage. Whomevers life is more easily saved should be, just as would happen if two patients entered a hospital with one doctor. I believe it is a terrible thing when a woman is raped, especially by a relative, but I don’t believe that is a reason to extinguish life. All life should be given a fighting chance. You (and I) have no idea that that aborted child is the next Einstein or Hawking, or the next welfare queen. But life deserves that chance.

It doesn’t really matter. This is really one of those issues that goes beyond partisan, and has terrible implications either way. You can
A) Outlaw abortions. Backstreet abortions will exist, which is terrible.
B) Keep it the same as it is now. Lots o orange bio bags with cut up babies in them, which is terrible.
C) A anti-reproductive implant which would be removed by your doctor when you were ready to have children. Kinda an overreach of government as well, which is terrible.
D) Force people to take birth control. Or forcefully “educate” them in sexual ed blocks much lower then they are being right now. Or have birth control available to students in middle school and beyond, letting them know there is no stigma to them taking it. Unfortunately, this is possibly the best scenario, yet the one that seems to offend people the most.

It’s a very, very, very hard subject. But no matter the laws emplaced, I will never view one life less then another.

Olivia
Member

It’s a very, very, very hard subject. But no matter the laws emplaced, I will never view one life less then another.

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But you’re already doing that, when you advocate throwing women in prison for having abortions. Especially those women who are the sole support of their children.

You’re also doing that, when you place all the attention and blame on the woman for getting pregnant. In every one of these unwanted-pregnancy discussions, it seems to me, there’s one factor that everyone seems to avoid like the plague: the father who couldn’t keep his pants zipped. For some reason, you’ve got nothing whatsover to say about his part in creating the pregnancy. That’s certainly odd, when statistics tell us that many teen pregnancies are the result of adult men having sex illegally with young girls. How many 14 year old girls do you know who can fend off the attentions of a strong adult male who’s determined to get into her pants?

Yet, once that fetus is conceived, you want to disempower that young woman still further, by telling her she has NO right to make decisions about her own reproductive system—and that the men who (mostly) run “Nanny Government” will punish her if she tries.
What an arrogant attitude—–to assume that the mother is incapable of making appropriate decisions for herself, and needs the long arm of Big Government to do it for her. And how utterly inconsistent with your libertarian stance on most issues.

Just one more example of how many right wingers want unfettered freedom FOR THEMSELVES…..but repressive government interventions for those who fail to conform to THEY idea of how things should be done.

Olivia
Member

Author: Sidekick
Comment:
I certainly am not arguing that anyone is “forcing” minority women to have an abortion. The only ranting and raving comes from you as far as I can see.
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Then, if you don’t see anyone’s legal rights being violated, what are you beefing about? 😉

Sidekick
Member

If you do not see an inherent problem with a demographic representing only 13% of the total female population having 36% of all abortions in the US, then you are either a eugenicist or have a very black heart. This, in my view, is a symptom of the much larger problem of the breakdown of the family, a coarse culture that glorifies promiscuity and a general disregard for the value of life. Liberals are fine with that, it seems. I find it sad and that is my beef.

By the way, I failed to mention that your comment responding to mine about abortions being ugly procedures was incredibly stupid.

+++Most surgical procedures are ugly, Kick. But that’s no reason to harass people who choose to undergo them, or to demonize those who support an individual’s right to undergo them.+++

No other medical procedure is intended to take life. In fact, surgeries (cosmetic surgery excluded) are designed to promote life. Just because abortion is legal does not make it right.

David Bishop
Member

The original Hippocratic Oath banned a doctor from performing abortions… the lefties changed that though, quick, fast, and in a hurry. Cultural guided evolution at it’s finest!!!

Olivia
Member

The original Hippocratic Oath banned a doctor from performing abortions… the lefties changed that though, quick, fast, and in a hurry. Cultural guided evolution at it’s finest!!!

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The original Hippocratic oath referred to inserting a pessary to induce an abortion—-a crude procedure that could lead to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

By the way, if you righties get your way someday, and manage to overturn Roe v. Wade, we can expect to see a lot more women presenting to ERs with hemorrhage and sepsis. You won’t stop abortions, you know—–you’ll merely drive them underground, and make them a lot costlier and less safe.

David Bishop
Member

If people want to commit crimes, that is fine. Outlawing bank robberies doesn’t stop them. It just provides punishment for those who do. As soon as the women are healed, they can serve 3-5 years for manslaughter.

KimmyQueen
Guest

That seems fair to me. I would say 5-8 years with the hope that it will put a damp on their desire to irresponsibly spread their legs once they come out.

Olivia
Member

There is a guy in Atlanta running similar. http://goo.gl/wE6Rf

FYI the guy who’s running the ads in Oakland is black, so I fail to see how the ads could be considered racist.
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Good point.
Maybe he’s just sexist.

hisham
Guest

Olivia, you are a snarky, bitter, hate filled, sour grapes hag! I pity you.

Sidekick
Member

You really are, Olivia. I do not pity you though. You seem to know what you are doing. That does not mean that you know what you are talking about.

hisham
Guest

Agreed, Sidekick!

CO2Insanity
Admin

There is a guy in Atlanta running similar. http://goo.gl/wE6Rf

FYI the guy who’s running the ads in Oakland is black, so I fail to see how the ads could be considered racist.

KimmyQueen
Guest

It doesn’t matter. I am a racist against black and hispanic people and I am both. The difference is that I am a conservative. That is the only qualifier for racist that matters. However there ARE so called conservative that ARE racists and unfortunately we have a few here on this site which is unfortunate, but I am happy to say they are an aberration, not the norm.

David Bishop
Member

They had something like this going on in New York for a bit. It was a big drop-down banner and said “The most dangerous place for a black child is in the womb…. 4/5 black children are aborted.” It got taken down very quickly.

KaylaKW
Member

although the message is harsh, it is also true. I cannot BELIEVE that they are fighting against something that is probably saving lives. It’s not like the guy is FORCING someone to not get an abortion, he’s asking them not too.

KimmyQueen
Guest

I know that this is a serious subject, but that baby is so cute! I want to pinch those cheeks.

perlcat
Member

It *is* a cutie.

David Bishop
Member

Makes me want to have a 4th kid. Not really. But if I were to have another child, it would be adopted. SO CUTE!!!!

Olivia
Member

Author: matthew s harrison
Comment:
it’s a woman’s right to murder you guys! leave them alone. if they want to pith babies, like you did to frogs in Zoology 1010 freshman year of college, that is their right. They are guaranteed the right to vacuum babies out of themselves and spike them on the OR floor, or cut their spinal cords with scissors, or just let them lay there and gasp for air on a cold metal table, should they so desire.
And the DNC has the right to murder their future voting base all they want-that is their god-given right to murder. Come on-haven’t you read the constitution?

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Just as it’s YOUR right to parrot ignorant lies about the procedure, in an effort to frighten and disgust people into conforming to YOUR antichoice views?

Sidekick
Member

Really, aborting a baby is not an ugly procedure? You bring nothing to this board but a rehash of what someone says and then asks a question. …”Where is your evidence?” etc. Good grief, Olivia, we all have eyes and ears and we observe. Not citing a link is hardly akin to making something up. You are so obtuse that arguing with you is a waste of time.

Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black.”

–Erma Clardy Craven (deceased)
Social Worker and Civil Rights Leader

Fact: Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

If that does not strike you as a social problem worth of a billboard, then I can only assume that you are here to agitate and not advance any argument.

I urge you to read the linked website.

Olivia
Member

Really, aborting a baby is not an ugly procedure?
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Most surgical procedures are ugly, Kick. But that’s no reason to harass people who choose to undergo them, or to demonize those who support an individual’s right to undergo them.
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Fact: Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

If that does not strike you as a social problem worth of a billboard, then I can only assume that you are here to agitate and not advance any argument.

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Your assumption is wrong. I’m still waiting for someone here to produce evidence that we liberals are forcing nonwhite women to have abortions. And, so far, not one of you have come up with any.

As long as no one can produce that evidence, then all your ranting and raving and screaming on this issue is pointless.

Sidekick
Member

I certainly am not arguing that anyone is “forcing” minority women to have an abortion. The only ranting and raving comes from you as far as I can see.

Sidekick
Member

Olivia, let me put this simply: No-one is forcing anyone to have abortions. That said, a hugely disproportionate number of minority women ARE having them and that is the point of the campaign. To raise awareness of the problem and hopefully persuade young women to abstain from having sex or use birth control. Yours is some bizarre strawman argument whose origin I didnt find in the thread. Maybe you could cut and paste the conservative’s post that describes your argument that there is an advocacy for forcing (minority) women to abort. Failure to do so negates your argument.

Olivia
Member

Olivia, let me put this simply: No-one is forcing anyone to have abortions. That said, a hugely disproportionate number of minority women ARE having them and that is the point of the campaign. To raise awareness of the problem and hopefully persuade young women to abstain from having sex or use birth control. Yours is some bizarre strawman argument whose origin I didnt find in the thread.
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Then perhaps you didn’t look closely enough. I seem to recall this rather belligerent comment from Kimmy: “This is the progressive dream. Get rid of the undesirables and just enough of them around to control. This statistic is going up for hispanics as well. Once the hispanics get too large you will see a great push for them to also start aborting their babies en masse.”

Then there was the nasty little insinuation from Neo 7 about “ethnic cleansing.”

And Pittzer’s rather inane rant comparing liberals to Hitler: “The left has accomplished what Hitler couldn’t:Widely accepted, institutionalized extermination of large numbers of non-white people. They’ve been so successful that it is now racist to suggest we shouldn’t kill black babies before they are born.”

And Pittzer’s equally inane follow-up to that bizarre rant: “….abortion is a very pragmatic approach to the “black” problem and the “brown” problem here in America. It’s also a good way to weed out the stupid genes from the white race.”

Then there was Paden’s nonexistent evidence that liberals approved of “rape during the Holocaust.”

Sounds like somebody needs to get his eyes checked. Or at least take off the blinders for a while……..

Sidekick
Member

Again where is forced in all of the above? I think your blinders are the issue. You must do better when constructing those strawmen.

hisham
Guest

“Olivia, let me put this simply: No-one is forcing anyone to have abortions.”

I disagree Sidekick, the fact that ‘current’ laws and regulations mandate that public sector schools and government owned and operated medical clinics push PP on young girls and women and purposely don’t allow or support alternate view programs is, in effect, de facto enforcement of abortion…what other alternative are these vulnerable girls and women given?

KimmyQueen
Guest

Liberals are not forcing the abortions among the poor and ignorant. They are just stating that it is morally acceptable form of birth control after a morally acceptable way to live one’s life as a ho. If a woman wants to be a ho, she can be a ho, because well men are ho’s too and they dont stick around if they dont want to even if a baby is involved, so why should a woman? Right? So we all know human nature, when a human wants to engage in risky, immoral, indecent… etc behavior, they would rather listen to the folks that offer no judgement and instead offer “solutions” to fix the consequences of their actions, instead of listening to the words of wisdom and common sense even if it means curtailing their behavior.

By stating that a woman is empowered by choosing to abort the baby and by choosing to live irresponsibly without judgement and without consequence, liberals are pretty much opening the door to abortion. They are catering to the base and the immoral parts of humanity. Humans are not inherently good, humans are inherently sinful. Liberals know it, but instead they are either self-deceived or seek to deceive people by stating the opposite.

Olivia
Member

Liberals are not forcing the abortions among the poor and ignorant. They are just stating that it is morally acceptable form of birth control after a morally acceptable way to live one’s life as a ho. If a woman wants to be a ho, she can be a ho, because well men are ho’s too and they dont stick around if they dont want to even if a baby is involved, so why should a woman? Right?
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Well, first of all, “ho” is a silly, quasi-racist corruption of the term “whore.” A whore, by definition, is a pejorative for either a prostitute (accepts money for sex) or a promiscuous woman. Using either term in reference to women who seek abortion is not only uncharitable—-it’s also an unfair stereotype.

Second, no one here is proclaiming abortion to be “a morally acceptable form of birth control.” A woman’s right to safe, legal abortion is based on her right to privacy, not on popularity of the practice, or personal approval of the public.
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So we all know human nature, when a human wants to engage in risky, immoral, indecent… etc behavior, they would rather listen to the folks that offer no judgement and instead offer “solutions” to fix the consequences of their actions, instead of listening to the words of wisdom and common sense even if it means curtailing their behavior.
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Where are you getting the silly idea that liberals don’t believe in offering “words of wisdom and common sense” to women who are engaging in risky or irresponsible sex? In fact, counseling, and providing affordable birth control (and instructions on how to use it) are some of the many functions of Planned Parenthood—-that organization that so many right wingers are eager to destroy. Go figure, huh?
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By stating that a woman is empowered by choosing to abort the baby and by choosing to live irresponsibly without judgement and without consequence, liberals are pretty much opening the door to abortion.
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No, we’re merely preventing conservatives from slamming it shut, and demanding to police women’s uteruses through heavy handed legislation, insults (your “ho” pejorative, for example) and harassment. What’s more, anyone who thinks that ANY woman (other than a sociopath) who escapes all “judgment and …consequence” after having an abortion knows zilch about human nature.
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They are catering to the base and the immoral parts of humanity. Humans are not inherently good, humans are inherently sinful. Liberals know it, but instead they are either self-deceived or seek to deceive people by stating the opposite.
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Don’t be ridiculous, Kimmy. If you’re going to start preaching about sin, maybe you’d better start with the sin of bearing false witness, which you seem to do a lot around here.

In any case, it isn’t your business to railroad someone else into living the kind of life you’ve chosen for her. Like it or not, men and women are free agents here in the U.S. And I’m having a hard time figuring out how you plan to win the confidence of any woman who’s struggling with an unwanted pregnancy, if you insist on belittling all such women and calling them nasty names. Treating them like crap is supposed to make them rush to embrace your particular brand of politics?

matthew s harrison
Guest

Olivia-you are a dipshit-so I will take pity on you. The photos have been out for months-and this is one of the many that the G never audits- but here is the report-you can find 10,000 others on the web.
It happens daily. http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/abortion-dr.-kermit-gosnell-arrested

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7906881

Note there is one from the evil Fox News-and one from the more evil ABC so you can’t say it was made up by anti abortion types!

WARNING GRAPHIC- here is a little baby with his spine cut by scissors-hope you enjoy it you freaking moron!
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I truly feel sorry for you. You are so owned by the so-called “women’s rights” fruitloops. Margaret Sanger was in it to kill blacks-PERIOD. NO OTHER REASON. Like most libtards-you don’t read, so you obviously haven’t read news, government reports, audits, and of course Maggy the black-baby killer yourself. So, go read-start with all the reports and photos of the babies the philly baby murderer cut spines with using scissors

Olivia
Member

I truly feel sorry for you. You are so owned by the so-called “women’s rights” fruitloops. Margaret Sanger was in it to kill blacks-PERIOD. NO OTHER REASON.
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And Hitler’s primary purpose in building the Autobahn was to enhance Nazi military mobilizaton.

That unpleasant fact doesn’t negate the fact that the Autobahn system turned out to benefit the country.

Now, tell me why you keep dragging Margaret Sanger into the discussion, when I’ve said nothing whatsoever in support of her long-debunked eugenics beliefs.

matthew s harrison
Guest

There is nothing debunked about margaret sanger’s purpose for planned parenthood. her writings are specific-and she didn’t ever mince words. She wanted to kill black babies-didn’t hide it-and for you to even try to claim she didn’t shows you to be all the more ignorant that I had originally thought.
You said I was wrong about how abortions were done-and how spines are snipped, and brains vacuumed out of babies, sans any type of anesthesia-you haven’t answered to any of your claims-because you are wrong-totally wrong.
Abortion isn’t about women’s rights-it is about murder-PERIOD..and the funniest thing about you lefties-you all lined up to spit on troops coming back from vietnam and called them baby killers-and yet you have killed nearly 70 million babies since vietnam ended.
You are all a joke-and especially you, for your ridiculous and completely retarded claims herein.
Abortion is murder. When you pith, vacuum the brains out of, cut spinal cords with scissors, crush skulls, and leave babies to die on cold metal tables in O.R.’s it is murder. You are not terminating a pregnancy at the beginning in 99% of all abortions-you are murdering a living, feeling human being. I suspect that the lefts’ callous view of the Holocaust comes from its disassociation with murder where abortion is concerned. You all look at murder so lightly when it is innocent little babies, yet you will fight tooth and nail to keep a rapist/murder from getting the needle. You fight against lethal injection claiming it is cruel and unusual punishment for someone who has tortured and murdered the very women you claim to be protecting with your fight for abortion rights-yet, you can blithely and joyously murder babies by dismembering them ALIVE, under the guise of “women’s rights”.
You are classically sociopathic-all of you. There is no logic or reason for calling abortion a “right”. There is nothing sensible about your fight where this is concerned. You simply feel powerful that you can end a life without fear of prosecution-and that makes you feel like god. That is what it is for all of you. It is disgusting-and it is grotesque-and I guarantee you that none of the bull dykes who lead your charge give two shits about a baby’s life, no matter what age. They just want to wield the power of being able to murder other human beings without fear of prosecution, because they-and you-and all of the left are so horribly angry. You are so hateful of your existence, hateful of those who disagree with you, and hateful of humanity, morals, and family values that you want to murder.
It must be a horrible existence-and as I said earlier, it is very sad that you are all so angry and violent.
Now, for the last time, you are a proponent of genocide. Your “party” has committed the largest single genocidal crime in history. Pol Pot-nothing on you. Hitler-only 6 1/2 million or so. Ottoman Empire-not even close-darfur-not even on the same block…but the left in the US-you have single handedly murdered 65 million children. You are not Americans. You are not humans. You are murderous animals who should be caged with all the murderers and rapists you have saved from the gas chamber, needle, firing squad, hangman’s noose, etc. Murder is against the law in the US-and you will all find out some day-there is a consequence to taking another human being’s life. It is either hell on earth first and then eternal hell-or, in the case of limousine liberals-it is a cocaine fueled party for 40 or 50 years and then eternal hell. Either way, I would imagine that on your way down the escalator to hell, all those millions of babies will be watching as you descend into the fiery depths and crying for your souls-the way they already do, undoubtedly, as they look down on this horrible world that may have been a lot different, and a lot better, had you not taken their lives before they had a chance to contribute to our declining and horrible society that you so ardently and wantonly destroy with each second that ticks away on the clock.
God save your soul-because you are going to have the room right between hitler and pol pot-and I hear it is pretty damn warm down there, and water fountains are few and far between!

Olivia
Member

There is nothing debunked about margaret sanger’s purpose for planned parenthood. her writings are specific-and she didn’t ever mince words. She wanted to kill black babies-didn’t hide it-and for you to even try to claim she didn’t shows you to be all the more ignorant that I had originally thought.
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Apparently you didn’t read my posts, and are making wild guesses about what I actually said. In fact, I made no comment about Margaret Sanger. My views on the legality of abortion, or the services offered by Planned Parenthood, have nothing whatsoever to do with her, or with the racist views that were so common back in her day.
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You said I was wrong about how abortions were done-and how spines are snipped, and brains vacuumed out of babies, sans any type of anesthesia-you haven’t answered to any of your claims-because you are wrong-totally wrong.
Abortion isn’t about women’s rights-it is about murder-PERIOD..and the funniest thing about you lefties-you all lined up to spit on troops coming back from vietnam and called them baby killers-
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Not me. I’ve never shown disrespect to a veteran in my life.
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and yet you have killed nearly 70 million babies since vietnam ended.
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Not me. I’ve never performed an abortion, nor have I ever undergone one. Really, you don’t do your antichoice cause any favors by ranting and lying like this.
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You are all a joke-and especially you, for your ridiculous and completely retarded claims herein.
Abortion is murder. When you pith, vacuum the brains out of, cut spinal cords with scissors, crush skulls, and leave babies to die on cold metal tables in O.R.’s it is murder.
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Somebody’s been reading horror stories. It also sounds as if somebody is fairly salivating over the gruesome details. Now, why don’t you explain how it’s possible to vacuum the brain out of a living organism, AND sever the spinal cord, AND crush the skull….without it dying instantly? I know some trauma surgeons who would LOVE to find out the secret of keeping someone alive, even momentarily, under such drastic conditions.
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You are not terminating a pregnancy at the beginning in 99% of all abortions-you are murdering a living, feeling human being. I suspect that the lefts’ callous view of the Holocaust
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Oh, here we go again. Where in the Sam Hill did you get the idea that I, or any other liberal, was “callous” about the Holocaust? 😀
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comes from its disassociation with murder where abortion is concerned. You all look at murder so lightly when it is innocent little babies, yet you will fight tooth and nail to keep a rapist/murder from getting the needle.
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Wrong. As I’ve stated until I’m blue in the face, I don’t like the idea of abortion.
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You fight against lethal injection claiming it is cruel and unusual punishment for someone who has tortured and murdered the very women you claim to be protecting with your fight for abortion rights-yet, you can blithely and joyously murder babies by dismembering them ALIVE, under the guise of “women’s rights”.
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Oh, come ON, Matthew. One thing you rabid far righters have yet to learn: If your pet cause has any validity whatsoever, you shouldn’t have to repeat silly lies and exaggerations about the opposition, to make your case.

All this hysteria does (besides giving me yet more reason to feel glad I’m a liberal) is demonstrate that you’re unable to think clearly and logically, because your head is so stuffed full of fear and hatred.

The rest of your post is the same blind, shrieking hysteria, so I’ve omitted it. But I would like to ask you a question: If you had your way, and ALL abortions were immediately outlawed, what measures would you support, in order to help:
__twelve and thirteen year olds who were forced to bear a father’s, stepfather’s or sibling’s child?
__grieving women who were forced to carry a grossly malformed and nonviable fetus to delivery?
__poor unemployed single mothers, who couldn’t afford another child, and also couldn’t afford to take the necessary time off work to have the baby, much less pay for a babysitter?
__medically infirm women, for whom carrying a pregnancy to term meant probable life threatening complications?
__mentally unstable women, with a track record for child abuse?
__welfare recipients, who already have several children?

It’s easy to pat yourself on the back for generosity, by denying women the right to govern their own uteruses. It gets a little harder, when doing so requires you to put up with some inconveniences yourself (like supporting social programs) to give them the means to cope with these pregnancies and births that YOU insist on them completing.

(And don’t even bother suggesting adoption as a panacea. That is THEIR choice to make, not yours—–and, in any case, it’s not a cure-all.)

Waiting for your suggestions…….if you can manage to set aside your poison-pen missives for a few minutes……

matthew s harrison
Guest

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

This says it all about your hero Margaret Sanger, Olivia. Nothing debunkable here-all facts.

KimmyQueen
Guest

The woman wrote books and reports on her beliefs! I don’t even understand why people don’t understand this or know it especially those that claim to love her like Hillary Clinton. She wanted this. She wanted undesirable dead through abortion. It is the truth that came out of her own damn mouth. Even with the facts liberals idiots like Olivia will never open their eyes.

Olivia
Member

The woman wrote books and reports on her beliefs! I don’t even understand why people don’t understand this or know it especially those that claim to love her like Hillary Clinton. She wanted this. She wanted undesirable dead through abortion.
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Not true, Kimmy. There are certainly things about Margaret Sanger’s beliefs that seem unethical and racist today. But her attitude about abortion was very much like that of many right wingers (including you!) on this board: She opposed using abortion as a form of birth control. Here are some of her own comments on this issue, 91 years ago:

(regarding working class women:) Being given their choice by society—to continue to be overburdened mothers or to submit to a humiliating, repulsive, painful and too often gravely dangerous operation, those women in whom the feminine urge to freedom is strongest choose the abortionist. One group goes on bringing children to birth, hoping that they will be born dead or die. The women of the other group strive consciously by drastic means to protect themselves and the children already born.
Thus a high percentage of women in comfortable circumstances escape overbreeding by the use of contraceptives. A similarly high percentage of women not in comfortable circumstances are forced to submit to forced maternity, because their only alternative at present is abortion. When accidental conception takes place, some women of both classes resort to abortion if they can obtain the services of an abortionist.
When society holds up its hands in horror at the “crime” of abortion, it forgets at whose door the first and principal responsibility for this practice rests. Does anyone imagine that a woman would submit to abortion if not denied the knowledge of scientific, effective contraceptives? Does anyone believe that physicians and midwives who perform abortions go from door to door soliciting patronage? The abortionist could not continue his practice for twenty-four hours if it were not for the fact that women come desperately begging for such operations. He could not stay out of jail a day if women did not so generally approve of his services as to hold his identity an open but seldom-betrayed secret.
The question, then, is not whether family limitation should be practiced. It is being practiced; it has been practiced for ages and it will always be practiced. The question that society must answer is this: Shall family limitation be achieved through birth control or abortion? Shall normal, safe, effective contraceptives be employed, or shall we continue to force women to the abnormal, often dangerous surgical operation?…….
While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.
Now, tell me, Kimmy: which of Sanger’s above comments do you disagree with?

Olivia
Member

This says it all about your hero Margaret Sanger, Olivia. Nothing debunkable here-all facts.

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Where did you get the idea that Margaret Sanger is a hero of mine? 😀

Sounds like you’ve been swallowing some bogus stereotypes again.

Next time you want to understand how liberals think and what they believe, why don’ t you ask one of us, instead of getting a bunch of misinformation from antiliberal infotainers on TV and talk radio?

matthew s harrison
Guest

it’s a woman’s right to murder you guys! leave them alone. if they want to pith babies, like you did to frogs in Zoology 1010 freshman year of college, that is their right. They are guaranteed the right to vacuum babies out of themselves and spike them on the OR floor, or cut their spinal cords with scissors, or just let them lay there and gasp for air on a cold metal table, should they so desire.
And the DNC has the right to murder their future voting base all they want-that is their god-given right to murder. Come on-haven’t you read the constitution?

hisham
Guest

Unfortunately, I think the DNC has figured out the ‘murdering their future’ part and that’s why they’ve left the back door open for all of their ‘South of the Border’ free loader buddier!

KaylaKW
Member

“No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”
Translation: “Any person deemed unneeded by the parent or government… can be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”
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“it’s a woman’s right to murder you guys! leave them alone. if they want to pith babies, like you did to frogs in Zoology 1010 freshman year of college, that is their right. They are guaranteed the right to vacuum babies out of themselves and spike them on the OR floor, or cut their spinal cords with scissors, or just let them lay there and gasp for air on a cold metal table, should they so desire.
And the DNC has the right to murder their future voting base all they want-that is their god-given right to murder. Come on-haven’t you read the constitution?”
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Of COURSE that’s what the constitution says silly!

KimmyQueen
Guest

This is the progressive dream. Get rid of the undesirables and just enough of them around to control. This statistic is going up for hispanics as well. Once the hispanics get too large you will see a great push for them to also start aborting their babies en masse.

I say this, if I choose to have sex I also choose the consequences. If I decide I dont like the consequence I should choose not to have sex or to just be monogamous and incentivate the man to be as well. Using abortion as birth control is atrocious and immoral. I understand how certain females in cases of rape or incest or TRUE danger to their lives all of these things are otuside of their control and were not their choice. That is a private situation within them, their deity, their families and their doctors. I hope that I dont have to be in that situation, but I understand their motivations for thinking about it as like I said it wasn’t a choice to get pregnant or it was, but it could be the end of their lives and they may decide to save it. I am just talking about the irresponsible women and girls out there that deem abortion a perfectly fine method of birth control while they continue to spread their legs and be unprotected.

These people are bringing forward the immorality of loose behavior compounded by the grim and immoral decision to abort the consequecne of the loose behavior. G-d says that all children are a blessing. They can be if the people get their act together. These people are doing a good work, they are not being racist, they are just present facts and providing alternatives. Just let not forget that the progressives just want to control black populations just like the democrats, liberals and racists did back in plantation times.

Olivia
Member

This is the progressive dream. Get rid of the undesirables and just enough of them around to control. This statistic is going up for hispanics as well. Once the hispanics get too large you will see a great push for them to also start aborting their babies en masse.

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And, yet again: Where’s your evidence that liberals are forcing nonwhite women to get abortions?

(And why would you assume that nonwhite women are so stupid and passive that they’d do so, just because there’s a Planned Parenthood clinic nearby?)

hisham
Guest

Oh Olivia, you are such an atrocious lock-stepped liar and shill for ‘Liberal Whitey,’ why don’t you just go and abort yourself, be done with it already! I know you hate yourself enough to self abort right now and you would if you didn’t have this website to help keep you sane!

Olivia
Member

Oh Olivia, you are such an atrocious lock-stepped liar and shill for ‘Liberal Whitey,’ why don’t you just go and abort yourself, be done with it already! I know you hate yourself enough to self abort right now and you would if you didn’t have this website to help keep you sane!

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Translation: “I tried, but I couldn’t come up with one shred of evidence that liberals are trying to force nonwhite women to have abortions. Would flinging childish insults be an acceptable substitute?”

KimmyQueen
Guest

I want to congratulate and say thank you to all my peeps for burying Olivia’s posts. You have saved me precious time. Once again holla if you need something.

KaylaKW
Member

I LOVE getting that coveted third! 😀 Makes me feel like I did something right in the world 🙂

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn’t it?

KaylaKW
Member

Yupp 😀

Pittzer
Guest

Olivia, I’m just saying that abortion is a very pragmatic approach to the “black” problem and the “brown” problem here in America. It’s also a good way to weed out the stupid genes from the white race. You guys should focus your efforts on “providing choice” in latin-America, China and India next. That’s where the real problems are.

Like I said, Hitler would be impressed. He was just a blunt instrument compared to the left in America.

Olivia
Member

Olivia, I’m just saying that abortion is a very pragmatic approach to the “black” problem and the “brown” problem here in America. It’s also a good way to weed out the stupid genes from the white race. You guys should focus your efforts on “providing choice” in latin-America, China and India next. That’s where the real problems are.

Like I said, Hitler would be impressed. He was just a blunt instrument compared to the left in America.

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And, again: Where’s your evidence that American liberals are forcing nonwhite women to get abortions?

hisham
Guest

“Like I said, Hitler would be impressed. He was just a blunt instrument compared to the left in America.

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And, again: Where’s your evidence that American liberals are forcing nonwhite women to get abortions?”

Please, Olivia, stop stying so hard to sound any more stupid than you already are!

Olivia
Member

“Like I said, Hitler would be impressed. He was just a blunt instrument compared to the left in America.

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And, again: Where’s your evidence that American liberals are forcing nonwhite women to get abortions?”

Please, Olivia, stop stying so hard to sound any more stupid than you already are!

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Translation: “No evidence. I’m making it all up.”

hisham
Guest

Do you troll in drag? Just wondering.

Olivia
Member

When the food stamps program and the other programs started by LBJ and the Great Society, it started the slow destruction of the family structure of all races. It gave dead beat parents the excuse to bail and not support their children. The house the Johnson visited in Martin County KY still stands today. Those living in it are direct decedents of those that lived in it when he was there. Guess what, they are still living the same way as before, living off the govt tit and collect their check, p butter and cheese, work for cash and living life off those who go to work every day.

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Sounds like you’re making some wild guesses and repeating some favorite stereotypes, rather than making any honest attempt to define the problem.

First, how do you KNOW that the Kentucky family in question has the tools and opportunities they need to pull themselves out of poverty, but chooses not to use them?

Second, if what you say is true, then it ought to be just as true in all countries with strong social programs. But it isn’t. In many of those social democracies that far righters love to hate, proportionately fewer children are born into poverty, and there’s proportionately less functional illiteracy. In contrast, what about the nations with few or no government safety nets? Can you name any with an impressive track record of people working themselves out of poverty, without ANY outside assistance? I can’t.

I’m also intrigued by your claim that government social programs cause deadbeat parents. That isn’t the case in many social democracies, even though the incidence of children being born out of wedlock has increased tremendously over the past 40 years, throughout most westernized nations. Ever stop to think that that might have more to do with the way American boys are socialized (no, I’m not referring to “socialism”—I’m referring to the way they’re taught to regard themselves) than any nefarious liberal activity to destroy family ties?

Olivia
Member

Let me ask you something: can you honestly state that you’ve NEVER seen any racially charged attacks (in the form of signs, photoshopped pictures, ugly stereotypes or accusations) aimed at the Obama family?

Or do you want to admit that SOME right wingers are prone to racial bigotry?
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Yes Olivia, I can honestly state that I have never seen any racially charged attacks aimed at the Obama family, because I do not pay attention to the toads in life.
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Translation: “OF COURSE I”ve seen racial bigotry aimed at the Obama family, but I prefer to sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn’t exist. Sure, denial is dishonest and solves nothing, but, hey, if it’s good enough for the Tea Party, then, dad gum it, it’s good enough for me.”

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And get off the right winger BS. All people will at one time in their lives will make what you call a racist statement. That does not make them racists. It just means that they may not have gotten the “POLITICALLY CORRECT” liberal agenda.
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Decent people try to avoid making racially charged remarks, Liz. They also don’t try to excuse them by claiming “But everybody does it!”

And, as I’ve stated numerous times “politically correct” is a silly, made-up buzzword designed to belittle any defense of tact or tolerance. In fact, that’s exactly why so many far righters use it to death. It’s such a convenient (albeit lame and trite) deflection, when one is (rightly) accused of being selfish or insensitive.

deepthinker
Member

Any time a person speaks out against the poverty pimps and those that claim to have the black community’s true interest at heart they are called a racist. This slur use to work, now many have come to see it as a sign that they are truly on the right path.

When the food stamps program and the other programs started by LBJ and the Great Society, it started the slow destruction of the family structure of all races. It gave dead beat parents the excuse to bail and not support their children. The house the Johnson visited in Martin County KY still stands today. Those living in it are direct decedents of those that lived in it when he was there. Guess what, they are still living the same way as before, living off the govt tit and collect their check, p butter and cheese, work for cash and living life off those who go to work every day.

Olivia
Member

Pittzer
Comment:
The left has accomplished what Hitler couldn’t:Widely accepted, institutionalized extermination of large numbers of non-white people.

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And your evidence that “the left” is forcing nonwhite women to get abortions would be……….?
(NOTE: “Because there are Planned Parenthood clinics in nonwhite neighborhoods” doesn’t count as evidence. But it does suggest that you think nonwhite women are too stupid to understand the difference between a low-income gyne clinic and a fascist government mandate.)

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They’ve been so successful that it is now racist to suggest we shouldn’t kill black babies before they are born.

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More nonsense. Let me remind you that it’s the liberals, not you far righters, who insist that these same poor nonwhite women not be stereotyped and demonized as “welfare queens,” if they have children they can’t afford to support singlehandedly.

In short, we want these women—-ALL women, in fact, as well as all men—-to have choices in their lives. The choice to have children; the choice not to have children; the choice to get adequate prenatal and pediatric care if they choose the former. So far, I’ve seen little from the far right except scorn, bigotry, and nasty little cracks about “keep(ing) their legs together.”

So, if you want to be credible in this crusade to support women who happen to be black and pregnant, perhaps you could start by admitting that they’re better qualified to make decisions about their own uteruses than a bunch of sanctimonious far righters who don’t know them from Adam.

Liz
Member

But you see Olivia, I want women to be smarter than that. Don’t get pregnant in the first place. I believe in a woman’s right to choose and I would fight to keep that right for all women. But I cannot condone using abortion as birth control. There is absolutely no reason for it in this day and age.

And you are right that I am tired of supporting people who have child after child that they cannot afford and they are taking money out of my pocket that I need to support my family.

Olivia
Member

But you see Olivia, I want women to be smarter than that. Don’t get pregnant in the first place.
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In that case, I’m assuming you approve of Planned Parenthood being easily available to poor women. It’s pretty hard not to get pregnant when you can’t afford access to reliable birth control, or don’t know how to use it correctly.

The whole notion of women routinely (and intentionally) using abortion for birth control is ridiculously overblown, in my opinion. While there will always be some women (and men) who repeat the same mistakes over and over, using abortion for birth control makes no more sense than going and getting a root canal every time you want to avoid flossing your teeth. As far as I’m concerned, that argument is right up there with “Women get late term abortions because they don’t like the way they look in a bathing suit,” and “Gay men support same sex marriage because they’re on a mission to recruit heterosexuals to their ‘lifestyle.'”

BR
Guest

Or they can just not get busy..thats even cheaper than birth control

KimmyQueen
Guest

It costs nothing to live a moral life. It definetly costs nothing to say no to men who only want one thing. If that is not possible because the person just cannot be moral nor intelligent enough to say no, then the other option is to use rather cheap birth control that can be found pretty much anywhere items are being sold.

KaylaKW
Member

You know what Olivia, I’m really tired of the whole ‘abortion isn’t a big deal’ crap, not necessarily from you but others exist. You know why? Simply because THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS. First off, if you wanna have sex, use birth control pills, condoms, get a FRIKKING implanon for all I care. Secondly, if you must have the kid, put it up for adoption! Or even, I know this is harsh, but give it to an orphanage! At least it will still be alive, and not dead before it’s even been alive 9 months.

Adoption is awesome, and it works well. Source:myself, 3 of my friends, at least 15 other people I know.

You never have to see the kid again so is it REALLY affecting you? I’ve never seen my parents and I have no wish too, and that goes for most of the other people I know as well. At the very least they’ll have a foster parent to love them, when their birth parents could have chosen to end the child’s life before it really got started.

And don’t give me the whole what if you got raped crap either because quite frankly I’ve heard it before and I’m quite bored of getting the same old defense over and over again.

KaylaKW
Member

And yes, now that I’ve seen that you bring emotional causes into this later on, I AM fired by emotion, and also by the fact that that embryo is LIFE.

And I highly doubt that if your parents had almost aborted you, you wouldn’t be sitting at your computer typing away and telling us that a parent has the right to kill it’s baby… because they can’t go and shoot their 5 year old now can they?

Olivia
Member

You know what Olivia, I’m really tired of the whole ‘abortion isn’t a big deal’ crap, not necessarily from you but others exist. You know why? Simply because THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS. First off, if you wanna have sex, use birth control pills, condoms, get a FRIKKING implanon for all I care. Secondly, if you must have the kid, put it up for adoption! Or even, I know this is harsh, but give it to an orphanage! At least it will still be alive, and not dead before it’s even been alive 9 months.

Adoption is awesome, and it works well. Source:myself, 3 of my friends, at least 15 other people I know.

You never have to see the kid again so is it REALLY affecting you? I’ve never seen my parents and I have no wish too, and that goes for most of the other people I know as well. At the very least they’ll have a foster parent to love them, when their birth parents could have chosen to end the child’s life before it really got started.

And don’t give me the whole what if you got raped crap either because quite frankly I’ve heard it before and I’m quite bored of getting the same old defense over and over again.

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Well, you’ve given me a nice little dissertation here about how YOU feel and what YOU want. Only problem is, this isn’t the United States of Kayla we’re talking about, and, therefore, it isn’t about you or your feelings.

As far as your rather immature complaint about getting “tired” and “bored” with any talk about rape: tough toenails. If you’re “bored,” then go take a nap or something—but you still don’t have the right to dictate to other women how they should feel about, or respond to, an unwanted pregnancy.

Sorry, but (as I’ve already pointed out several times) that’s one of the prices you pay for living in a free country: you have to put up with other people doing things that YOU don’t necessarily like or approve of. Can’t handle that? Then I guess you’re going to have to move to an unchartered island someplace where you can be dictator.

KaylaKW
Member

I’m in no way trying to say that I am not living in a country that’s amazing and I’m extremely proud to live in this country, whether or not there are people that do things I don’t approve of, because most of us here, and I do say MOST, have realized that that is the way life goes, and we deal with that fact most every day. So sorry Olivia, I’m not going to give up fighting for this anytime soon to go find an uncharted island.

I’m just saying that it doesn’t really make sense for a person to be able to have an abortion when a) there are other options and b) it’s illegal to kill anyone NOT in a womb. And as for rape, yeah I’m sure it’s awful and I regret deeply that we have people in this country who would do that. Did you know that the suicide rate among women who had abortions was six times higher than that of women who had given birth in the prior year and double that of women who had miscarriages? Only 13% of rape victims were found to have attempted suicide, forgive me I was unable to find the year of that study.

So again, I would just like to say that I DO in fact feel sorry for rape victims, but would you rather live with knowing you were raped and COULDN’T prevent it or that you became pregnant, and COULD have avoided aborting a child? Because personally, all adoption biases aside, I’d pick the lower suicide rates.

“Only problem is, this isn’t the United States of Kayla we’re talking about, and, therefore, it isn’t about you or your feelings.”
Yes, I am quite aware of this fact I am surprisingly NOT oblivious, but thanks so very much for pointing it out anyway. Last time I checked it wasn’t the United States of Liberals either and conservatives are allowed to express an opinion as to their beliefs, but you would never believe that would you?

Paden
Member

All a person need do is witness one liberal protest march or a gaggle of activists in action to know that Olivia is, projecting.

want to see some liberal “tolerance”, read the comments in response to CNN’s article on rape during the Holocaust.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/06/24/holocaust.rape/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Disgusting liberals.

Olivia
Member

All a person need do is witness one liberal protest march or a gaggle of activists in action to know that Olivia is, projecting.

want to see some liberal “tolerance”, read the comments in response to CNN’s article on rape during the Holocaust.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/06/24/holocaust.rape/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Disgusting liberals.

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And yet ANOTHER gullible far righter reads a bunch of anonymous reactions to a news story on a website, and immediately assumes that (1) none of the writers could possibly be trolls doing some pot stirring; and that (2) the ones who make the pot-stirring remarks must all be political liberals, even though none of them even mentioned their political views.

Just one more example of a right winger with a lazy mind. Or, perhaps, yet another troll trying to stir the pot.

Vince
Member

Dont you dare put the word black on anything, unless you wish to be accused of being racist. The only time people of color wish to be aknowledged for being of a different skin tone is when it is beneficial to them. Otherwise, keep your blinders up and God help you if you use the term black, ever.

If we want to get rid of racism in this country, lets stop these whiney white liberals from throwing a hissy fit every time something offends them.

Olivia
Member

Dont you dare put the word black on anything, unless you wish to be accused of being racist. The only time people of color wish to be aknowledged for being of a different skin tone is when it is beneficial to them. Otherwise, keep your blinders up and God help you if you use the term black, ever.
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Nonsense. I’ve pointed out numerous times on this board that “skin color” (or, in your case, “skin tone”) is NOT a synonym for “race.” But I notice that it’s a favorite euphemism among the far right, in an apparent effort to trivialize a serious social issue into a mere subjective disagreement on color choices.

It’s also a favorite far right wing talking point to suggest that racism is all (and only) about bringing up the topic of race when others don’t want to talk about it. A very convenient ploy, by the way, for ducking the issue entirely. Only problem is, it doesn’t work on anyone with a working brain.
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If we want to get rid of racism in this country, lets stop these whiney white liberals from throwing a hissy fit every time something offends them.
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Yeah, right—-let’s all sweep racism under the rug, pretend it doesn’t exist, and fling childish insults at anyone who dares to mention it in any context. That worked SO well during the Jim Crow era, didn’t it?

Vince
Member

I see that you have commented on every post listed so far. You are doing a great social justice for the liberal community. When you say conservatives are sweeping racism under the rug, you are wrong. We werent allowed to even mention Obamas middle name during the election because it was a little too risky. Liberals only use race to further their political aspirations while turning honest conservatives who are ready and willing to discuss issues, into back country hick folk with lynching ropes.

If you want to further progress in this country, stop hindering it by making sure no ones feelings get hurt. Take away dodgeball, there are no losers just winners, everyone gets a participation trophy, so on and so on.

Just so you know. Hope isnt a strategy, its a word losers use to justify losing.

KimmyQueen
Guest

You are correct. In the end it is a lot of white liberals who are propagting this insanity. Then the hucksters like Jesse Jackson lap it up.

Pittzer
Guest

The left has accomplished what Hitler couldn’t:Widely accepted, institutionalized extermination of large numbers of non-white people. They’ve been so successful that it is now racist to suggest we shouldn’t kill black babies before they are born.

The KKK should really just hang up their robes and watch.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Margaret Sanger (Hillary Clinton’s favorite female progressive) must be smiling in Hell.

Olivia
Member

Margaret Sanger (Hillary Clinton’s favorite female progressive) must be smiling in Hell.

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And your evidence that Hillary Clinton fully approves of all of Margaret Sanger’s long-debunked views is……..?

hisham
Guest

Margaret Sanger (Hillary Clinton’s favorite female progressive) must be smiling in Hell.

Suggesting that Margaret is ‘smiling’ in Hell is an oxymoron KQ, there is no smiling in Hell, only wailing, moaning, and gnashing of teeth! If there’s any smiling, it’s from Satan and his crown and only until the Holy and Royal Adjustment Department Returns to place the inmates who currently think they run the place, back into their cells…forever more!

KimmyQueen
Guest

It is true that it is not a pleasant place at all, Hell I mean. However, I am sure you know what I meant. This was her plan all along. She was a racist and wanted to control the population of undesirables including Black people as well as people with Down Syndrome and so on. She was primarily behind PP being a federally assisted program for these purposes.

hisham
Guest

Oh, you, my dear, are so right! Margaret Sanger was held up by racists all over this country, and her eugenics programs were even adopted by at least 19 US states. Furthermore, Hitler, himself, endorsed her and sought to incorporate her ideas and philosophies into his government. He even cited current US federal and state laws and statues when he introduced his plans.

Olivia
Member

Oh, you, my dear, are so right! Margaret Sanger was held up by racists all over this country, and her eugenics programs were even adopted by at least 19 US states. Furthermore, Hitler, himself, endorsed her and sought to incorporate her ideas and philosophies into his government. He even cited current US federal and state laws and statues when he introduced his plans.

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Did anyone happen to clue you in that Hitler’s been dead for over 65 years, and that the whole junk science of eugenics was discredited decades ago?

I know right wingers tend to be allergic to social change, but this is going a bit far, don’t you think?

KaylaKW
Member

Oh my goodness! I got the coveted 3rd! 😀

KimmyQueen
Guest

You must be proud… I would be.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

The first few times, it’s exhilarating. After a while, it’s just pleasurable.

hisham
Guest

He even cited current US federal and state laws and statues when he introduced his plans.
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Is my use of the word ‘current’ what you’re all wrapped around an axle about? It’s used correctly in this instance, current meaning current at the time he was alive and current for the time frame that several of the states were, in fact, adopting eugenics programs and using them to destroy certain ethnic and religious groups in this country. If I’m not mistaken, Margaret Sanger was a Democrat with Socialist leanings and at that time, in the South, most of the states practicing or contemplating some form of a eugenics program were run by Democrats. We had a Democrat controlled House of Representatives, a Democrat Senate, a Democrat President, and a stacked Democrat leaning High Court! Call me a liar!

Don’t presume to correct my meaning simply because you yourself don’t possess a grasp of the English language, or American history! The word stays, and yes Hitler has been dead longer than you’ve been alive and as for Eugenics being discredited, think again, Oh smarmy one, what the hell do you think the Human Genome Program is all about and just where in the hell do you think it came from? Us right-wingers have every right to be overly concerned about what you leftards are doing to this country and our people, while you lie about not doing it! No one and I mean no one believes a word that comes out of Yo’mama’s lying pie-hole and no one believes a word you, his minion, say regarding the Liar-In-chief. You are, after all, just a liar lying for a liar!

Olivia
Member

Don’t presume to correct my meaning simply because you yourself don’t possess a grasp of the English language, or American history! The word stays, and yes Hitler has been dead longer than you’ve been alive and as for Eugenics being discredited, think again, Oh smarmy one, what the hell do you think the Human Genome Program is all about and just where in the hell do you think it came from?
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It’s about the science of human genetics and DNA, Hisham. Did you think the only possible reason for learning about DNA would be to create some master race? If so, you need to spend less time listening to Rush Limbaugh, and more time learning about modern medical technology.
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Us right-wingers have every right to be overly concerned about what you leftards are doing to this country and our people, while you lie about not doing it! No one and I mean no one believes a word that comes out of Yo’mama’s lying pie-hole and no one believes a word you, his minion, say regarding the Liar-In-chief. You are, after all, just a liar lying for a liar!
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Translation: “My mind is made up, so don’t try to confuse me with facts or logic.”

Wake me up when you come up with an argument based on reality, Hisham, instead of screeching accusations and propaganda.

(And, by the way, who is “Yo’Mama”? Is s/he any relation to Yo Yo Ma, the celebrated cellist?)

Neo-7
Member

I believe that it might have been Lenin who refered to certain portions of society as “useful idiots” , meaning different cultures only served a purpose , until they were not needed anymore. Then they were ” put out to the cornfield”.

The ethnic cleansing that has been going on for the last decade or so , in southern California , speaks well of the care of the rulers. To watch your “own people” being run out of their neighborhood , suggest their usefullness is spent. To see your neighbor’s house being set on fire and not do anything about it , show’s love== NOT.

Re-conquista , eugenics , abortion serve the same end. What is needed is wisdom , and wisdom applied . Its there but only if you first realize you lack it and need it , then reach out for it. Otherwise enjoy that pot of boiling water , you frogs.

danybhoy
Member

To your wisdom point, why do you think the leftists gravitated toward the educational system? They would’nt use their positions as teachers to “nudge” kids in a certain direction of thought? Would they?

Olivia
Member

To your wisdom point, why do you think the leftists gravitated toward the educational system? They would’nt use their positions as teachers to “nudge” kids in a certain direction of thought? Would they?

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And, once again, a far righter trots out a hoary old stereotype, rather than being honest enough to admit that teachers are individuals, and have many different reasons for choosing their career.

If that were the case, Dany, then it would be awfully stupid of right wingers NOT to go into the teaching profession, in an effort to balance out that perceived slant, wouldn’t it?

Or were you trying to insinuate that most right wingers aren’t smart enough or educated enough to qualify as professional teachers?

David Bishop
Member

I realize your game Olivia, and can now succumb to the delusions of some of the other posts here that you are either a useful idiot yourself, or a paid poster.

Why do you constantly insinuate and generalize every single poster here into some “far righter trot(ting) out a hoary old stereotype.” It seems to be your gimmick and can therefore assume you are hardly over 15, lying about your profession, and completely uneducated enough to return our inquisitiveness about the current governance with anything else but the redundant left-wing regurgitated maddow-matthews-oman-gore rhetoric. You seem so completely brainwashed I almost assume you are watching Gore-TV 24/7.

Please get a life. I am praying for you. To Gaia. Since I am an atheist.

tilbot
Member

“Racist” actually means somebody who is racially prejudiced. But because many Democrats have trouble reading, especially complicated documents like dictionaries, they think it means “somebody who is not a Democrat.”

YT
Member

It used to mean that one believes race is a determining factor of one’s personal character traits. Liberals genrally believe in Evolution over creation yet make an exception to race. Yup, thats right, peoples who evolved in different environments are somehow exactly the same inside.
Just ignore the over representation of black people in sports too.

Anyway, “Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Just keep repeating it until it’s meaningless.” Shheeeeeet, thats been meaningless for at least 8 or 9 years. Rational folks should just start calling eachother “racist” as terms of endearment, like many blacks do with the “N-Word”.

Olivia
Member

It used to mean that one believes race is a determining factor of one’s personal character traits. Liberals genrally believe in Evolution over creation yet make an exception to race. Yup, thats right, peoples who evolved in different environments are somehow exactly the same inside.
Just ignore the over representation of black people in sports too.
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Not true, YT. In fact, we liberals spend quite a bit of our time debunking stereotypes (racial, religious, ethnic, gender, cultural, political, you name it) that right wing propaganda seems to thrive on.

No one is claiming that all black Americans are “exactly the same inside.” Most of us recognize that culture and personal life experience shape our personalities and life choices far more than our genetic make-up does. At the same time, it would be foolish to claim that genetics don’t play a part in individual POTENTIAL, or that lack of opportunity can’t play a role in causing an individual to make the kinds of choices s/he does.
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Anyway, “Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Just keep repeating it until it’s meaningless.” Shheeeeeet, thats been meaningless for at least 8 or 9 years. Rational folks should just start calling eachother “racist” as terms of endearment, like many blacks do with the “N-Word”.
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Given the fact that so many far righters on this board have been snorting and giggling and salivating for weeks over the possibility of calling liberals “racist” who don’t fall all over themselves praising Herman Cain, it would seem that you’re more obsessed than we are with using the term as a weapon.

Let me ask you something: can you honestly state that you’ve NEVER seen any racially charged attacks (in the form of signs, photoshopped pictures, ugly stereotypes or accusations) aimed at the Obama family?

Or do you want to admit that SOME right wingers are prone to racial bigotry?

Liz
Member

Let me ask you something: can you honestly state that you’ve NEVER seen any racially charged attacks (in the form of signs, photoshopped pictures, ugly stereotypes or accusations) aimed at the Obama family?

Or do you want to admit that SOME right wingers are prone to racial bigotry?
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Yes Olivia, I can honestly state that I have never seen any racially charged attacks aimed at the Obama family, because I do not pay attention to the toads in life.

And get off the right winger BS. All people will at one time in their lives make what you call a racist statement. That does not make them racists. It just means that they may not have gotten the “POLITICALLY CORRECT” liberal agenda.

Liz
Member

And by the way Olivia, how do you see an ugly stereotype or an accusation?

Olivia
Member

And by the way Olivia, how do you see an ugly stereotype or an accusation?

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As Mr. Bennet would put it, “I’m afraid I have not the pleasure of understanding you.” Could you reword that in less vague terms?

KaylaKW
Member

Not true, YT. In fact, we liberals spend quite a bit of our time debunking stereotypes (racial, religious, ethnic, gender, cultural, political, you name it) that right wing propaganda seems to thrive on.
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I’m really curious as to what gives you cause to believe that all “right wingers” as you call us are racist. Because although YOU may not think so… you are stereotyping us.

Right wingers are conservative correct? And quite a few conservatives are Christian. Now stay with me, in a second i’ll take religion back out of this. The majority of the ones that are Christian I HIGHLY doubt are racist. And now for nonchristians, it’s the same as Christians. They’re are undoubtedly racists that exist, but that doesn’t mean that the right wing population in it’s entirety is racist. So I really don’t think you are doing much better at not stereotyping than we are, or so you say we are.

Translation: They’re are undoubtedly racists that exist, but that doesn’t mean that the right wing population in it’s entirety is racist. So I really don’t think you are doing much better at not stereotyping than we are, or so you say we are.

Olivia
Member

I’m really curious as to what gives you cause to believe that all “right wingers” as you call us are racist. Because although YOU may not think so… you are stereotyping us.
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I didn’t say that all right wingers are racists. Where did you get that idea?

KaylaKW
Member

Well. Let’s see here. The second we say something someone doesn’t like, a liberal that runs around, they fling the insult that we’re racist. Quite frankly I’m really not in the mood to hunt down examples of you calling us racist because I don’t want to take the time to go through your numerous posts, just rereading them bores me.

Go to the hate mail and read some of the posts there. A good 70% of them, if not more, fling around the term racism. Although I strongly agree with YT when he said “Anyway, “Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Just keep repeating it until it’s meaningless.” Shheeeeeet, thats been meaningless for at least 8 or 9 years. Rational folks should just start calling eachother “racist” as terms of endearment, like many blacks do with the N-Word.”

It really is a meaningless term nowadays… more annoying than anything, and half the time, incorrectly used.

Olivia
Member

It really is a meaningless term nowadays… more annoying than anything, and half the time, incorrectly used.

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I get such a charge out of white right wingers presuming to dictate to nonwhite Americans what’s racist, and what isn’t.

But the right wing media has spent so much time pumping up their self-esteem, that they truly don’t seem to see how ludicrous that makes them look.

BR
Guest

“wasssuup mah racist!?” Hah, i like the ring of that.

Olivia
Member

“Racist” actually means somebody who is racially prejudiced. But because many Democrats have trouble reading, especially complicated documents like dictionaries, they think it means “somebody who is not a Democrat.”

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Not true—-but that’s a popular excuse for right wingers who wish to sneak in little racially charged insults under the radar, and get caught at it.

As any regular dictionary or sociology lexicon will tell you, a racist is someone who believes that (1) race is a primary determinant of an individual’s character and behavior, and that (2) some races are inherently superior or inferior to others.

David Bishop
Member

Why in this world with a truly elected black president (with which white people were a more decisive factor in his victory then black people) is the word racist thrown around like it still has merit? Why can’t we as a nation, as a partisan group, as an individual dislike or like something without race entering in as a weapon on either side?

This is silly. These allegations of racism back and forth only perpetuate and exacerbate our differences while ignoring our collective interests: the bettering of America, the resumption of our founding principles, and the instilling of general human rights into the popular cultural evolution.

I know of no one in my life currently who hates black people because they are black. I know only one black who dislikes whites because they are white, and he is decent enough to hold most of this thoughts in public. Can we just move entirely past this issue, please, for the betterment of America? The only people still clutching on to the term or idea of racism are those who wish to use it as a weapon in achieving their own agenda.

perlcat
Member

Amen.

Sven Waring
Member

Dear I Hate The Media and its low-brow readers,
How dare you limit the choice of black women!
If these black women do not wish to have a baby who may one day grow up, move into my lily white neighborhood and shop at the stores that I frequent then you have no right to restrict that decision.
You are racists of the worst sort.

Incensed and deeply religiously (if I had one) indignated,
R. Coddington Fahrnsworth, eugenics… I mean… genius

YT
Member

True dat mah ray-cist. If I donate to PP can I stipulate the money only be used for black babies since I am racist and all?

Sven Waring
Member

Fa-shizzle, as it were, ole chap.

hisham
Guest

June 24, 2011

Dear Coddington Fahrnsworth,

I must make a small correction to your choice of words. You stated above the you were indignated, well the past passive participle indignated is not a word and therefore, not a proper participle, unless of course you’re going all Merriam Webster on us. No, the particular word you seek is indignant, a proper past passive participle.

Your newest friend and fellow traveler,

Hisham Abu Abed Al Hisham

David Bishop
Member

I’ve fallen in love with Olivia. But not. Why when she reports some regurgitated maddow-matthews-oman-gore talking point are we supposed to stand in awe, but when we post independant studies and PP statistics does she do “translations” and say we are all “rush,beck,reily listeners?”

Does she have a brain? She doesn’t really seem to have a defense against logic.

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