Want to save black babies’ lives? That makes you a racist.

by editor on June 24, 2011

Black is beautiful just turned ugly. A California organization has been accused of racism because it ran pro-life outdoor boards in black neighborhoods.

Of course it sounds insane. But Representative Barbara Lee is involved in the story, so it’s insane by definition.

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Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Just keep repeating it until it's meaningless.

CNB has the story of the aborted ad campaign:

…The Issues4Life Foundation and The Radiance Foundation have launched a pro-life billboard campaign with the goal of saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of black babies aborted in America each year.

“The impact of abortion in the black community is the Darfur of America,” Walter B. Hoye II, president of the Issues4Life Foundation, told Life Site News.

The signs in question contain the message “Black & Beautiful” and are going up in largely black communities in Oakland, Calif.

Statistics show that black women are three times more likely to have abortions as the general population. So it would seem to be a good idea to run the ads in black neighborhoods. But, no, attempting to save the lives of black babies is – you guessed it – racist.

… Planned Parenthood and California pro-choice groups are calling the ads racist. They say the “black & beautiful” slogan is too close to the “black is beautiful” cultural-pride campaign made popular in the 1960s.

Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., has also spoken out against the billboards.

“I am deeply offended by the race-based billboards that are being displayed in my congressional district by the Radiance Foundation and Issues4life,” she said in a statement.

“These billboards stigmatize women of color and perpetuate myths about parenting skills and the types of women who seek and use abortion services,” Lee added.

You know the race mongers have truly jumped the shark when attempting to save the lives of black babies is called racism.

And in the case of Barbara Lee, it’s just too bad that retroactive abortion isn’t legal.

Source: CBN

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MDLION
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When our soldiers started coming home from the Middle East during the Bush years, the press reported that many of them were suffering from Post-Traumatic-Stress Disorder(PTSD). The media couldn’t wait to interview them. In 2002 it broke that some Catholic priests had been abusing young people over the past few decades. The press couldn’t wait to talk to the victims. Women keep coming forward complaining of psychological and emotional problems after their abortions and the press won’t talk to them. They are politically incorrect victims. A few years before her death in 2006 at age 85, the actress Shelley Winters appeared on The Donahue Show. When asked if she had any regrets, Winters burst into tears and lamented two abortions she had decades earlier, the first at just 15. She said:”I am a very lonely woman. I would give up everything – my money, my Academy Awards, my career – if only I could have those children now.” A minor 70 year “feelings” problem? Here’s actress Gloria Swanson at age 80 on her abortion at age 25:”The greatest regret of my life has always been that I didn’t have my baby … nothing in the whole world is worth a baby, I realized as soon as it was too late”. A minor 55 year symptom? A few years ago on O’Reilly a Catholic nurse was interviewed. The nurse had been forced to aid in a partial-birth abortion with threat of job termination if she didn’t. After viewing the gruesome, barbaric procedure, the nurse began to have nightmares of broken babies in pools of blood. She had to take mental disability but eventually won a hefty settlement from her former employer. If only there were some empirical study which could remove those nightmares from her sleep. Women and men can find healing from Post-Abortion Syndrome, but they mustn’t waste their time with ideologues who have too much invested in the myth of “safe” no regrets abortion to face the truth.

Olivia
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Women and men can find healing from Post-Abortion Syndrome, but they mustn’t waste their time with ideologues who have too much invested in the myth of “safe” no regrets abortion to face the truth.
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As I’ve already pointed out to you, PTSD and clinical depression are already recognized as psychiatric disorders. The diagnosis is made, not from the presumed cause, but from very specific symptoms and behaviors. In other words, PTSD is PTSD, whether triggered by war, abuse or (as you’re trying to claim) abortion.

The effort to designate a brand new disorder, specific to abortion, is a political ploy, and has nothing to do with legitimate psychiatry.

Now, with regard to Shelley Winters and Gloria Swanson: I feel for them. People like them (interesting that you say Shelley Winters revealed this on a LIBERAL talk show, when you keep claiming that liberals won’t discuss the down side to abortion) are witnesses to the fact that abortion is NOT a decision that should ever be made lightly or carelessly. And I know of no liberals who have EVER suggested otherwise. In fact (as I already pointed out), we liberals seem to spend a lot of time debunking that popular right wing stereotype of the young woman who skips merrily off to the abortion clinic, solely because her prom dress doesn’t fit right. Or Reagan’s favorite “welfare queen” stereotype, who finds it easier to get multiple abortions than to take a daily pill.
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A few years ago on O’Reilly a Catholic nurse was interviewed. The nurse had been forced to aid in a partial-birth abortion with threat of job termination if she didn’t. After viewing the gruesome, barbaric procedure, the nurse began to have nightmares of broken babies in pools of blood.
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You have to wonder what she was doing working in a specialty area that required her to assist at such procedures, if she was morally opposed to doing so. As an ER nurse, I don’t get to pick and choose my assignments, based on personal feelings—-it’s presumed that I’ll do whatever I’m assigned to do, or else find some other area to work in. Sounds to me as if this nurse had a political ax to grind from the beginning.

Be that as it may, I fully support her right not to work there, if she doesn’t approve of such procedures. But, again, that right doesn’t extend to stopping others from choosing abortion, no matter how many bad dreams she’s having about babies in pools of blood.

Once again: you’re advocating exactly what the far right claims to detest: demanding that “Nanny Government” protect people from making the “wrong” decisions for themselves.

That’s hardly consistent with the currently popular keeping-government-small-enough-to-drown-in-a-bathtub trend, is it?

RockingHorseGuy
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I call third thumb. That’s three this morning. I’m looking for four.

KimmyQueen
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She will provide you with many opportunities I am sure.

jwilson07
Member

Ah, more liberal lies and truth twisting from Trollivia. Protecting life is not “nanny state”.That is basic civilization at work. Stop daring to compare your useless liberal stupidity to basic human kindness. Only liberals could possibly say” killing a baby is a really good thing!”

KimmyQueen
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That is so sad. I am sure that Olivia post is very respectful of the pain and anguish suffered by these women and many like them. Wait… considering this is Olivia I doubt it. Liberals are not known for their respect for the pain and the anguish of others. They are known to profit from it though.

What you said about the media not being interested in typical. It happens all the time in pretty much most cases.

http://www.pjtv.com/s/GM3DCNQ

Olivia
Member

That is so sad. I am sure that Olivia post is very respectful of the pain and anguish suffered by these women and many like them. Wait… considering this is Olivia I doubt it. Liberals are not known for their respect for the pain and the anguish of others.
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My goodness, what WOULD the far right do if they weren’t fed all these hackneyed stereotypes to direct their thinking?

I guess Kimmy never heard the term “bleeding heart liberal.” And I guess it never occurred to her that lump categorizing people is hardly a hallmark of respect OR compassion.

David Bishop
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My goodness, what WOULD the far right do if they weren’t fed all these hackneyed stereotypes to direct their thinking?

I guess Kimmy never heard the term “bleeding heart liberal.” And I guess it never occurred to her that lump categorizing people is hardly a hallmark of respect OR compassion.
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Translation: “Kimmy was right…. -tucking tail- …… -run-“

KimmyQueen
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PLease watch and share this video does have relevancy here: http://www.pjtv.com/s/GM3DCNQ

MDLION
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“Sadness and guilt are feelings, not disorders” I’m guessing that will help a lot of women who can’t get out of bed after an abortion. My debilitating guilt is a feeling, not a disorder. It’s a symptom, not a syndrome. About half the complaints of women I’ve seen about Post-abortion syndrome haven’t been in the conservative media, they’ve been in the liberal media. One I saw was from a woman who described a friend of hers as happy, carefree San Francisco feminist as a young woman. The feminist had an abortion. Her friend said that her formerly carefree feminist friend has been a hypochondriac for 30 years after her abortion. What has caused her personality to change so much so suddenly? The feminist had an abortion. Her conscience began to experience guilt. The guilt brought on fear. The fear has now grown to such a proportion that the woman fears sickness by death from God or Nature as a punishment for killing her child. I hope that woman can find peace. Maybe if she’s told she’s suffering from a feeling and not a disorder, a symptom and not a syndrome, she’ll suffer a healthier hypochondria in the years to come. This woman seems to be suffering like Lady Macbeth before she killed herself:”Out, damned spot.” But neither woman had visible blood on her hands, only invisible blood on her conscience.

CO2Insanity
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Poor Oblivia….she thinks she’s impressing us with her ‘intelligence,’ impressing us with her ‘knowledge’ and all we’re all doing is laughing at her. She has however set a new world record for thumbs down on her posts. Very impressive indeed.

Olivia
Member

Poor Oblivia….she thinks she’s impressing us with her ‘intelligence,’ impressing us with her ‘knowledge’ and all we’re all doing is laughing at her. She has however set a new world record for thumbs down on her posts. Very impressive indeed.

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I don’t in the least expect to “impress” you far righters, CO2—-just to call you on your lies and misinformation.

I don’t much care if you claim to be laughing at me, either—that’s just bravado. What WOULD interest me is if one of you actually produced some evidence to refute what I’m saying, or to back up whatever the bogus claim du jour is. And I’ve seen very little of that here, even though it’s just me against 25 or so far righters.

When ANY poster can respond only with name calling and insults, I consider that I’ve already won the argument. Ditto when they boast about how much more popular their posts are than mine.

CO2Insanity
Admin

Oblivia,

You setting a record for thumbs down does not constitute me crowing that my posts are more popular than yours. Talk about twisting worlds around to suit yourself. The reality is that everyone’s posts are more popular than your posts. Something everybody except you (including morons) can figure out.

MDLION
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“By the way what are your qualifications for thinking you know more about women’s mental health than mental health professionals?” Olivia, I think my arguments are resonating with you more than you are willing to admit and so you’re trying to find a pretext to dismiss them because I don’t have the proper “qualifications”. Not many in previous generations had advanced “qualifications” but at least they had common sense. They knew that if they did something wrong they would suffer guilt. They knew that if a women lost a child for any reason be it miscarriage, SIDS, an accident, disease, murder, natural causes, or abortion, that woman would mourn. Today we’re supposed to believe the ideological fantasy that it’s debatable whether a woman suffers mentally after she destroys her own child. My mother has only a high school degree but she often says:”Some people are so smart they’re stupid.” Though I only have a BA in Business Administration my knowledge of Post-abortion syndrome comes from listening to women IN PERSON, on television, on the radio, in print, and on the Internet describe the cracking up of their lives unexpectedly after their abortions. Yes, some of them had depressive episodes before their abortions, but they describe these as not nearly as severe as their depression after their abortions.

Olivia
Member

“By the way what are your qualifications for thinking you know more about women’s mental health than mental health professionals?” Olivia, I think my arguments are resonating with you more than you are willing to admit and so you’re trying to find a pretext to dismiss them because I don’t have the proper “qualifications”.
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You think wrong. I ask you, not because your argument “resonates” with me, but because I see a lot of far righters pulling this same maneuver. The right wing media, as I said before, pumps up their fans’ self-esteem until even ignoramuses are convinced that they know more than rocket scientists. And one thing they consistently do is oversimplify complex issues—-and swallow whatever snap solution du jour their right wing political heroes propose for it.

Examples:

___”There’s no such thing as global warming, and pollution is overrrated, so there’s no reason not to let industries dump whatever waste they please into our atmosphere.”

___”There’s no reason to worry about the millions of Americans who can’t afford health insurance, since they can just go to the emergency room where they’ll be treated for free.”

__”There’s no reason for the government to provide social safety nets, because private charities can fill the needs of the poor without the rest of us having to lift a finger—and, anyway, statistics show that conservatives give more money to the poor than liberals, even though they spend a lot of time bad-mouthing the poor in every way possible.”

__”Vaccines cause autism—I heard this years ago from a now discredited study. But what do doctors know? I’ve got all the evidence I need, just looking at what happened to my next door neighbor’s nephew.”

__”What it all boils down to is this: I’d rather sit down and have a beer with George W. Bush than John Kerry. And that’s all I need to know, to realize that Bush would make the best president.” (No kidding: some fool actually said this in a letter to my local newspaper 7 years ago.)

__”I don’t care if Obama has a JD from Harvard Law School or was president of Harvard Law Review. I’m telling you that he doesn’t know anything about the Constitution, or he’d realize that it doesn’t say anything about women being allowed to get abortions.”

___”Islam is a violent religion. Those American Muslims who live peacefully side by side with Christians either don’t know as much about their religion as I do, or they’re secretly plotting to take over the country.”

___”The whole theory of evolution is a totally unfounded junk science, since no one’s shown any evidence that man descended from the ape.”
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Not many in previous generations had advanced “qualifications” but at least they had common sense.
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“Common sense” is one of those conveniently elastic concepts, like “family values” and “traditional religious values,” that the far right wing media loves to use to flatter their followers. The insinuation is that anyone who buys into their oversimplified precepts has “common sense,” and those who don’t are lacking in it. It’s a dandy way to convince gullible followers that (1) you don’t need facts, logic or insight to be an expert, and (2) there’s no reason to respect the true experts of any field, unless what they’re saying conforms with right wing media views.

(And, by the way, there’s no real evidence that people from previous generations were any more sensible than people of today. It’s just that people who lack good judgment rarely make the history books, unless their lack of judgment is spectacularly destructive to a nation or culture.)
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They knew that if they did something wrong they would suffer guilt. They knew that if a women lost a child for any reason be it miscarriage, SIDS, an accident, disease, murder, natural causes, or abortion, that woman would mourn. Today we’re supposed to believe the ideological fantasy that it’s debatable whether a woman suffers mentally after she destroys her own child.
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A flat out lie, Lion. I’ve never made any such remark, nor has any medical/health care professional I know. In fact, we seem to spend a lot of our time arguing with right wingers who claim that women skip blithely off to the abortion clinic because it’s easier than using birth control. Now, all of a sudden, they’re reversing that stance, and claiming that these same women are traumatized by abortion. So which is it going to be? You can’t have it both ways. 😉
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My mother has only a high school degree but she often says:”Some people are so smart they’re stupid.”
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Another oversimplification. While it’s true that mere knowledge is of limited use to someone with poor judgment, it’s still better than a combination of poor judgment and ignorance. A wise person, regardless of education level, knows his/her limitations. And it’s rather arrogant, to say the least, for a lay person, whose medical knowledge is largely limited to what s/he hears about on right wing websites, to assume s/he’s better informed than someone who spent years studying medicine, and is licensed to practice it.
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Though I only have a BA in Business Administration my knowledge of Post-abortion syndrome comes from listening to women IN PERSON, on television, on the radio, in print, and on the Internet describe the cracking up of their lives unexpectedly after their abortions. Yes, some of them had depressive episodes before their abortions, but they describe these as not nearly as severe as their depression after their abortions.
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Whoa—stop right there. You’re making three very common mistakes. The first is the assumption that there’s something pathological about suffering guilt or a sense of loss after having an abortion. In fact, those are normal reactions—-all the more so, when antichoice propaganda does everything it can to insult and ostracize these women.

The second mistake is confusing sadness with clinical depression. Not the same thing. Clinical depression is a specific disorder with specific criteria, which may or may not include feeling sad or guilty, and which often doesn’t feature an obvious cause or trigger. Again, it’s best to leave the diagnosing to the pros. True depression usually requires medical intervention. Sadness and guilt are feelings, not disorders, and often just require time, patience, understanding and (in some cases) counseling. Moreover, it’s easy for the casual observer to confuse anxiety with depression, or to overlook the possibility of organic cause for such symptoms.

The third mistake is assuming that guilt and sense of loss many women experience after abortion is different from that experienced from other difficult or traumatic experiences, thereby requiring a whole different label. There’s no evidence that that’s true, but it’s a very attractive theory to those looking for new excuses to make abortion illegal across the board.

MDLION
Member

Sorry, Olivia, but I think much of “the medical community” has a political agenda when it comes to abortion. What would you say, Olivia, if a woman came to you after an abortion and told you she was suffering much because of it? I guess you’d say in a robotic voice:”Your suffering is empirically unproven. You are suffering a symptom not a syndrome recognized by the medical community. I may believe you when more studies are in.” And so us antichoice, rightwing, victims of propaganda as you might say, must work to help put back together the shattered lives of women who get no compassion, sympathy, or empathy from pro-abortionists but only cold references to the medical community and its studies and symptoms. You are sure that we are the victims of “propaganda” Olivia,because we patronize the alternative media but as a typical liberal won’t even consider that you are receiving VERY SELECTIVE “propaganda” from the billion dollar yearly U.S. abortion industry and their media allies. The late Dr.Bernard Nathanson was responsible for the deaths of 75,000 children as an abortionist. He converted to Catholicism in 1996 before his death in February. He states that he made up all the deaths resulting from illegal abortions for NARAL to help scare the country into legalizing abortion. He succeeded. Olivia, you are THOROUGHLY a victim of his propaganda in believing that legal front-alley abortions are so much safer than illegal back-alley abortions. No doubt, many more Gosnell butchers are waitng to be exposed. Many women will not come forward until other women do because they are so ashamed.

Kyle
Member

Hey, not only the “medical community”, but the “scientific community”, the “political community”, the “media community”.. I could go on for quite some time.

But here’s the problem with Liberalism. It’s a philosophy that says we should trust the experts when they give us “information”. So if a bunch of experts in a field agree, and there’s no major disapproval, hey. Let’s call that fact… even if they’re all involved in a scam, manipulating data and what-not to further their cause. It happens every day. Every hour. Look at Climate Gate. That was ridiculous. Propaganda doesn’t just brew in the media; it brews everywhere where something is repeated just enough times. That’s why we have to be careful about repeating one liners and have to stop clinging to stereotypes and go by case to case.

You know how you counter-act the lies of propaganda? You check things out with as many sources as possible if it sounds off in your ear. The hunt for truth is a long, tedious road. I’d suggest everyone questions everything ever so slightly as to get used to research before blindly believing something.

Olivia
Member

Sorry, Olivia, but I think much of “the medical community” has a political agenda when it comes to abortion. What would you say, Olivia, if a woman came to you after an abortion and told you she was suffering much because of it?
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I’d listen to her, just as I listen to all of my patients.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she said she was experiencing a sense of loss or guilt—-these feelings are normal after abortion, just as they are after a miscarriage or fetal demise. If I felt that she was having a hard time coping with such feelings, I’d encourage her to consider seeing a professional counselor—or a psychiatrist, if she seemed in need of medication.

But I wouldn’t spew a bunch of bogus psychobabble about “post abortion syndrome.”

By the way, what are your qualifications for thinking you know more about women’s mental health than mental health professionals?

It couldn’t possibly be the far right wing propaganda machine pumping up your self-esteem by convincing you you’re smarter than the pros, could it? 😉

KimmyQueen
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Andrew Klavan on the culture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AGaufgGzC8&feature=relmfu “The Hilarious World of Abortion”

Please watch…. I would love to see him debate idiots.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Uhm… I wonder who gave me a thumbs down… perhaps a person that cannot find a translation?

Olivia
Member

Parry. Thrust. Jab. Prevaricate. Change topic to take attention away from previously stated lie. S.O.P. from Alinsky.
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Translation: “I’m a Rush Limbaugh dittohead.”

Wake me up when you can discuss the topic intelligently, rather than just flinging around antiliberal buzzwords from a college dropout talk radio star.

MDLION
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“Where are you getting this utter BS?” I’m getting it from sources outside the mainstream media where you obviously aren’t looking when it comes to abortion.
“post abortion syndrome is not a recognized psychiatric disorder” Well if the psychiatrists don’t recognize it, I guess all the women who complain after abortions of disabling guilt must be wrong. Oh the error of scientific materialism. If there isn’t empirical proof, it must not exist. I’m sorry you laugh at post-abortion women who have post-traumatic stress reactions to the sound of a vacuum cleaner. They say it sounds remarkably similar to the suction machine in an abortion clinic. As for the filthy conditions inside abortion clinics, did you not very recently hear how atrociously unsanitary the Gosnell abortion clinic in Philadelphia was? Here in Louisville a few years back a clinic was closed which was filthy. Olivia, you are remarkably uninformed on the dirty underbelly of Big Abortion. You seem like someone who doesn’t dig beneath the “propaganda” you are fed on the issue by the mainstream media.

Olivia
Member

“Where are you getting this utter BS?” I’m getting it from sources outside the mainstream media where you obviously aren’t looking when it comes to abortion.
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Translation: “When the right wing propaganda machine says something that flies in the face of what the medical community is saying, I believe the propaganda machine. Anyway, it’s all just guesswork, isn’t it?”
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“post abortion syndrome is not a recognized psychiatric disorder” Well if the psychiatrists don’t recognize it, I guess all the women who complain after abortions of disabling guilt must be wrong. Oh the error of scientific materialism. If there isn’t empirical proof, it must not exist.
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I didn’t say that guilt doesn’t exist, or that it isn’t recognized by the medical community. But guilt is a symptom, not a syndrome. Moreover, it isn’t necessarily an unhealthy reaction to an experience, nor is it unique to women who have had abortions.
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I’m sorry you laugh at post-abortion women who have post-traumatic stress reactions to the sound of a vacuum cleaner. They say it sounds remarkably similar to the suction machine in an abortion clinic.
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I’m not laughing at women with PTSD (which, by the way, IS a recognized psychiatric disorder), Lion. I’m laughing at the propaganda you swallowed. I’m also chuckling at the way you’re pretending to be an advocate for these women, while at the same time trying to put Nanny Government in charge of their uteruses.
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As for the filthy conditions inside abortion clinics, did you not very recently hear how atrociously unsanitary the Gosnell abortion clinic in Philadelphia was?
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And it was eventually shut down, and the proprietor charged with numerous crimes (including murder), wasn’t it? Your argument makes no more sense than saying that we should make all funeral homes illegal, on the grounds that some of them break laws. http://archive.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/05/gary-indiana-post-tribune-four-bodies-funeral-home.html

Interestingly enough, one of the women who sued the Philadelphia clinic (which was violating laws right and left, including peddling narcotics) says she went there because she couldn’t handle the harassment of antichoicers standing outside of Planned Parenthood. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/23/dr-kemit-gosnells-abortion-clinic_n_812701.html
Think about it, Lion. If you far righters get your wish, and safe abortion clinics are made illegal, this kind of practitioner will end up doing a land-office business someday. He’s already proved that he’s no respecter of laws.
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Here in Louisville a few years back a clinic was closed which was filthy.
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You’re doing a great job of making my point for me, Lion. It was CLOSED because it violated the stringent regulations for health care facilities, was it not? What kind of regulations do you think will exist if clinics like this go underground? Because they will, if abortion is made illegal. And they’ll have nothing to lose, since illegal operations don’t have to worry about government inspections or industry regulation.

And, by the way, thank you for making one other point for me—–the point that it’s foolhardy to talk about across-the-board budget slashing of government regulatory agencies. How long would this clinic have continued endangering patients, if the budgets of regulatory agencies like the Department of Health had been slashed, and regular inspections had to be shortened or cut out entirely, for lack of funding?
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Olivia, you are remarkably uninformed on the dirty underbelly of Big Abortion. You seem like someone who doesn’t dig beneath the “propaganda” you are fed on the issue by the mainstream media.
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Not at all, Lion. It’s just that I recognize that “well, what about this facility that broke a bunch of laws and had to be shut down?” is an extremely effective argument for keeping abortion LEGAL and WELL REGULATED.

Thank you for showing how important it is to keep that “dirty underbelly” from being the only option available to less affluent women, if Roe v. Wade is ever overturned.

KimmyQueen
Guest

It has been a while since I had the pleasure of being the third thumbs downer on a post by the stalker. I have to enjoy these small pleasures.

sifi
Member

Hey! I just got the third one below. That was fun!

KaylaKW
Member

I’ve been on a roll lately with hiding her! I’m loving it!

hisham
Guest

Liberal proraganda = GOOD
Intelligent conservative facts to rebut liberal propaganda = BAD
Sounds good to me!

KaylaKW
Member

Just as a refresher… I had a GOOD experience with a liberal! We were discussing, actually some of the things on this site, and we were actually able to discuss! Not translate, or argue pointlessly. He was actually able to have an open-minded discussion! Not all liberals are idiots! Good job smart ones out there 😀 I just wish ya’ll would voice your opinion instead of some of the trolls we have here!

MDLION
Member

I meant bond with children, not “bound”.

MDLION
Member

Olivia mentions “safe” legal abortions which is another myth. Many women who have “safe” legal abortions will never again carry a pregnancy to a successful completion because of the internal damage done to them. Many women after their “safe” abortion will deliver their next child prematurely resulting in a child with cerebral palsy. Even the biased liberal media has to report from time to time on the filthy conditions inside many abortion clinics, though they have to be dragged into doing it. How “safe” is abortion when it sooner or later usually results in Post-Abortion Syndrome? Alcohol and drug abuse, suicidal ruminations and attempts, anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress reactions to the sound of a vacuum cleaner, and an inability to bound with present or future children are among these symptoms. Such women should seek out help which is available. It’s a scandal how the media continues to coverup Post-Abortion Syndrome in their effort to preserve the myth of “safe” abortion.

Olivia
Member

Olivia mentions “safe” legal abortions which is another myth. Many women who have “safe” legal abortions will never again carry a pregnancy to a successful completion because of the internal damage done to them. Many women after their “safe” abortion will deliver their next child prematurely resulting in a child with cerebral palsy. Even the biased liberal media has to report from time to time on the filthy conditions inside many abortion clinics, though they have to be dragged into doing it. How “safe” is abortion when it sooner or later usually results in Post-Abortion Syndrome? Alcohol and drug abuse, suicidal ruminations and attempts, anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress reactions to the sound of a vacuum cleaner, and an inability to bound with present or future children are among these symptoms. Such women should seek out help which is available. It’s a scandal how the media continues to coverup Post-Abortion Syndrome in their effort to preserve the myth of “safe” abortion.

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Where are you getting this utter BS? 😀

First, health care facilities (that would include clinics and outpatient surgical facilities) are stringently regulated for safety and cleanliness. Any facility that doesn’t measure up can be closed down, and slapped with big fines. That’s one reason we need to keep these clinics legal. When abortion is ILlegal, there are no regulatory agencies. And that’s when you’re likely to see “filthy conditions.”

(One more reason, by the way, that across-the-board budget cuts aren’t as great an idea as so many Republicans seem to think. But I’m digressing…..)

Second, “post abortion syndrome” is not a recognized psychiatric disorder, any more than “post appendectomy syndrome” would be. Yes, some women feel a profound sense of loss, similar to that experienced by women who have miscarried—-and some women are better able than others to cope with such feelings. (I doubt it’s much of a help to those who struggle with such feelings, when rabid antichoicers try to heap guilt and blame on them.)

But the rest of your argument is pure drivel. Although I couldn’t help chuckling at the vacuum cleaner part. Whoever made up that piece of propaganda had a wicked sense of humor, at least.

jwilson07
Member

If your devoid of a soul and any sort of human kindness I imagine you would not feel a sense of loss after killing your human child for utterly selfish economic reasons. However my friends who did have abortions in their youth feel horrible about it 25 years later. If only they were liberal like Olivia, then they could merrily skip down life’s path and not care at all for the murder they committed. And NO its not a “choice”. its a murder, don’t fool yourself with cute names for horrid actions.

Olivia
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If your devoid of a soul and any sort of human kindness I imagine you would not feel a sense of loss after killing your human child for utterly selfish economic reasons. However my friends who did have abortions in their youth feel horrible about it 25 years later.
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I don’t doubt it. And it certainly wouldn’t help matters, when the antichoice set goes into overdrive trying to heap shame and guilt on these women, would it?
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If only they were liberal like Olivia, then they could merrily skip down life’s path and not care at all for the murder they committed. And NO its not a “choice”. its a murder, don’t fool yourself with cute names for horrid actions.

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I’m noticing a very interesting trend here. So far, everyone who’s argued with me (and that’s a LOT of posters) on this issue is assuming that I support legal abortion because I ‘like” abortion.

Not only is that absolutely untrue—-it also suggests that they can’t conceive of supporting an issue for any reason other than self-interest.

Just one more example of the far right boasting about how much they love and cherish the Constitition…but are willing to ignore it if they think they’ve got a better idea.

As I’ve pointed out about 50 times, the term “murder” has legal connotations, so it’s inaccurate and dishonest to use it here. As I’ve also pointed out numerous times, yes, abortion is a “choice”—-but it doesn’t necessarily follow that the choice is a fun or “cute” one.

That’s the problem with any discussion of abortion on boards like this one: they’re so busy spinning the truth (pretending that liberals enjoy abortion, and that women who get abortions do so for silly, frivolous reasons) that any intelligent dialogue on the issue is almost impossible.

David Bishop
Member

As I’ve pointed out about 50 times, the term “murder” has legal connotations, so it’s inaccurate and dishonest to use it here. As I’ve also pointed out numerous times, yes, abortion is a “choice”—-but it doesn’t necessarily follow that the choice is a fun or “cute” one.
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We’re sorry. We will stop using words with legal connotations. Will “slaughter” do better? The Merriam-Webster definition is “the act of killing.” Will that make you feel more fuzzy inside?

KaylaKW
Member

Actually, I beg to differ David. The term murder, when used as a verb, in it’s secondary form means “to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.” I find abortion quite inhumane. Don’t you?

David Bishop
Member

Wholeheartedly agree. Killing is killing is killing is killing, even if it is in someone else’s economic interest. If I killed a poor person so everyone’s taxes would be lowered by a penny, it would still be murder.

Olivia
Member

Wholeheartedly agree. Killing is killing is killing is killing, even if it is in someone else’s economic interest. If I killed a poor person so everyone’s taxes would be lowered by a penny, it would still be murder.

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So you agree that the death penalty is “murder”?

Do you also agree that it’s “murder” to allow poor women and their children to go without adequate health care or nutrition? Because I don’t anyone here showing a lot of concern about the well being of these fetuses once they’ve been born.

David Bishop
Member

The death penalty is murder, ie, the extinguishing of another life. That life has had it’s chance, and wasted it through committing heinous crimes. A fetus/unborn child/whatever you feel like the coolest new non-emotional brand you wish to attach to it has done nothing of the sort.

Olivia
Member

As I’ve pointed out about 50 times, the term “murder” has legal connotations, so it’s inaccurate and dishonest to use it here. As I’ve also pointed out numerous times, yes, abortion is a “choice”—-but it doesn’t necessarily follow that the choice is a fun or “cute” one.
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We’re sorry. We will stop using words with legal connotations. Will “slaughter” do better? The Merriam-Webster definition is “the act of killing.” Will that make you feel more fuzzy inside?

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David, don’t talk like an imbecile. I have no interest in “feeling fuzzy inside.” In fact, I’m trying to get YOU to can the cheap emoting and use your brain.

No one is asking you to approve of abortion. Personally, I have no problem with you HATING abortion, because it’s an unpleasant thing, even when the fetus being aborted is already dead in utero from natural causes. But I really can’t take you too seriously, when you seem so uninterested in exploring the reasons women end up with unwanted pregnancies, or the reasons they decide to terminate pregnancies rather than carry them to term.

That, after all, is the way to solve a problem. You start off by defining it, which includes identifying causative factors. Then, and only then, can you come up with a workable solution (or solutions). But the far right doesn’t do things like that. In so many cases, they start with the problem, jump to conclusions about who’s to blame for it, proceed to demonize the person or persons assumed responsible, and then demand that that person or persons be ostracized, despised and punished as heavily as possible (whether or not such punishment is constitutional). And they seem much less interested in whether heavy punishment will solve the problem, than they do in gratifying their own lust for revenge.

They’ve done that to Muslims (i.e., anyone who looks as if he might possibly be a Muslim). They’ve done it to illegal immigrants (which, in their eyes, means any dark skinned person who speaks Spanish in public). Years ago, they did it to
“uppity” black Americans. Then there’s a whole slew of groups who aren’t doing anything to merit punishment, but whom they despise all the same: feminists, homosexuals, French people, pacifists, welfare recipients, atheists, intellectuals, teachers, artists, Hollywood actors and directors and latte drinkers.

I think one of the things a lot of far righters have in common is anger. Not just anger at a particular cause—-they’re just angry people, period. And, in this case, they’re more interested in dumping that anger on women who get abortions than they are in fixing the underlying problem.

David Bishop
Member

Perhaps we should extensively consider the socio-economic reasons people in inner-cities kill other people, and grieve for their circumstances instead of imprisoning them. Oh, those poor murderers.

KimmyQueen
Guest

“After all murderers will only murder OTHER people not me nor my family because well I am the diggity bomb….”

I am sure that is what liberals think inside of their minds even if they won’t admit it. So they have the luxury to feel bad for murderers and not judge them, because they believe themselves exempt from murderers. I guess once a liberal realizes they are in no danger of being aborted they have the luxury of not judging women who willfully abort after personal decisions that went bad. Liberals are of course special … in their minds.

KaylaKW
Member

Exactly… I don’t know any liberal, that supports abortion I should say (there are some that don’t), that has been told that they were almost aborted or could have been, and especially not those that WERE aborted but survived.

When I meet one that does… then I’ll have someone to ask why they support it, but that day will probably come “when pigs fly”.

KimmyQueen
Guest

You are right about that. I wonder how any liberal would feel to realize that he or she could have been easily aborted by their Mothers, realizing that at some point they weren’t wanted, they weren’t planned and someone thought they didn’t matter and they would have never made a difference in the world.

It will take one that really drinks the Kool-Aid to say that it is still okay even if it meant that he or she wouldn’t exist.

There is a woman who was aborted but survived and she has health issues to this day, unfortunately I do not remember her name but she was speaking on the radio one day and she goes and does talk and she encounters haters (liberals) who basically scream at her call her a liar that she was never aborted, that maybe she aborted HER baby (not true) and now wants to crusade because she regrets it. Liberals… they reallly want to obscure the truth anyway they can.

Olivia
Member

Perhaps we should extensively consider the socio-economic reasons people in inner-cities kill other people, and grieve for their circumstances instead of imprisoning them. Oh, those poor murderers.

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It’s always so much easier for those with lazy minds to sit on their butts and condemn others than it is to try to work on solutions to complex problems.

That is the charm of being a far righter. You don’t have to think; you don’t have to try to understand; you don’t even have to open your eyes. You just have to conform, and to show disdain toward anyone who doesn’t. And, of course, to repeat approved lies.

David Bishop
Member

You really are a space cadet. You are like one of those goth children sporting the t-shirt “You laugh at me because I’m different, but I laugh at you because you’re all the same,” yet every single one of you has that T-shirt in your closet. Progressive groupthink is the worst. You’re honestly cracking me up right now with your accusations that conservatives are some sort of group of 35 year-olds clutching to a TV streaming Breitbart and Rush all day in our friend’s mom’s basement. Progressives conform non-stop. They don’t even actually have feelings about issues. They separate themselves from reality so far they think they’re like scientists observing life in a petri dish. Repeat approved lies? Keep your tin foil hat on Olivia, and go watch Zeitgeist again. LMAO. You seriously cracked me up with this one. You’re so amusing.

David Bishop
Member

You really are a space cadet. You are like one of those goth children sporting the t-shirt “You laugh at me because I’m different, but I laugh at you because you’re all the same,” yet every single one of you has that T-shirt in your closet. Progressive groupthink is the worst. You’re honestly cracking me up right now with your accusations that conservatives are some sort of group of 35 year-olds clutching to a TV streaming Breitbart and Rush all day in our friend’s mom’s basement. Progressives conform non-stop. They don’t even actually have feelings about issues. They separate themselves from reality so far they think they’re like scientists observing life in a petri dish. Repeat approved lies? Keep your tin foil hat on Olivia, and go watch Zeitgeist again. LMAO. You seriously cracked me up with this one. You’re so amusing.
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Translation: “I watch Breitbart and Rush in my friend’s mom’s basement, and Breitbart told me to post this”

There you go, I even did your job for you and saved the white house some cash.

Anonymous
Guest

Thank you for so perfectly defining liberalism, TrOllivia: “You don’t have to think; you don’t have to try to understand; you don’t even have to open your eyes. You just have to conform, and to show disdain toward anyone who doesn’t. And, of course, to repeat approved lies.”

jwilson07
Member

Typical baby killing liberal using semantics and cute talk to try and hide the fact they adore killing babies, simple as that. If you support something you agree with it, ergo, you support abortion so you like killing little babies. As for the guilt, don’t blame your own inner demons on those who disagree with your baby killing liberal death policies. I’m always amazed how liberals can defend killing little babies yet will protest day and night the execution of a convicted murderer. Liberalism, the result of drugs and a complete lack of morality and common sense.

Olivia
Member

Typical baby killing liberal using semantics and cute talk to try and hide the fact they adore killing babies, simple as that.
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Oh, yeah. We just adore the idea of “babies” being killed. That’s why we on the left create so many websites with pictures of aborted fetuses (actually, they’re usually stillborn fetuses in the pictures, but who’s gonna know the difference, you know?) and fairly salivate over the details that Rush assures us are an accurate description of most abortions performed today.

Oh, wait, I’ve got it backwards. It’s YOU antichoicers who get such a thrill describing dead babies, and fantasizing about what you’d like to do to the mothers who undergo abortions. We liberals usually like to stick to the facts.

As I’ve said here at least 10 times: if your position on this issue is at all defensible, you shouldn’t have to depend on ridiculous lies and exaggerations in order to present it.

Come back when you can come up with a real argument, instead of silliness.

jwilson07
Member

If you support murdering innocent babies, then you support murdering innocent babies. Its very simple what you support and stand for an obviously want to continue. Stop trying to blame us for your sick and evil desires to see babies killed by the millions, and especially poor black babies. Why do you liberals hate blacks so much anyway?

David Bishop
Member

No you don’t get it Jwilson. It’s this abstract kinda thing. You gotta be high on pot to understand it.. but in this twisted drug-addled schizophrenic world, the women getting the abortions are the victims… and the babies are the criminals!

deepthinker
Member

I’ve stopped arguing with the Olivia as she is not worth the time or the satisfaction and gratification she gets from it.

I will say this, when they came for her, then what?

CO2Insanity
Admin

A wise man once said – “Don’t argue with a moron, all they do is drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

KimmyQueen
Guest

Let’s say a Republican President and a majority in Congress makes a law that says that conservatives who kill a liberal a week are exempt from prison time and instead they are given an award… I wonder how many people will be okay with that? Or else a Democratic President and a majority in Congress makes the same law but against conservatives…. who is going to be okay with that?

Laws are supposed to protect everyone ESPECIALLY those that have no voice of their own, victims and potential victims. When inside the womb, children have no voice, they are potential victims and are victims when his Mother (and Father and whoever else) conspire and execute murder upon them. The fact that the lawmakers and law executors considers children in the womb to be undeserving of their protection and regard, I actually find that to be incredibly evil.

When a society has no respect for innocent life and disregard the most innocent of beings (pre-born children, orphans, widows, the sick, the hungry, etc) that is when the society is on its way out. If this country continues on its path of self-destruction, liberals/progressives better get ready. It is not going to be pretty when everything comes to pass.

Olivia
Member

When a society has no respect for innocent life and disregard the most innocent of beings (pre-born children, orphans, widows, the sick, the hungry, etc) that is when the society is on its way out. If this country continues on its path of self-destruction, liberals/progressives better get ready. It is not going to be pretty when everything comes to pass.
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Kimmy, you seem to be on an emotional roll here, to the point that you’re not paying any attention, because you keep repeating the same logic free arguments.

Once again, no one is FORCING you to have an abortion, if you’re opposed to it.

Once again, if you’re that worried about society’s most vulnerable—-orphans, widows, sick and hungry people as well as fetuse—–then why are you arguing to get rid of social safety nets? Do you think that backing the poor further into a corner, with fewer options available to them, will cause them to be LESS likely to consider abortion? Do you think that throwing their mothers in prison for years on end will HELP or PROTECT poor children? That doesn’t make much sense, does it?

Let me remind you, too, that, as long as the prospect of carrying a fetus to term is more painful than the prospect of abortion, women will continue to have abortions. If safe ones aren’t available, then they’ll risk their lives getting unsafe ones.

If you’re honestly as concerned about (what was that hokey, commercial sounding term right wingers love so much?) “pre born children” as you say you are, why don’t you stop the ranting and emoting, and start considering the reasons women CONSIDER abortion in the first place?

Has it never occurred to you that a woman would have to feel pretty desperate to resort to such a procedure? Did you really swallow that silly caricature of a woman who blithely skips off for an abortion, as happily and easily as a child with a five-dollar bill would skip off to the candy store?

Pittsburgh Z
Guest

Perhaps they should keep their panties on…..it’s pretty easy NOT to get pregnant.

Olivia
Member

Perhaps they should keep their panties on…..it’s pretty easy NOT to get pregnant.

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And yet millions of women end up with unwanted pregnancies every year anyway.

Which would suggest that perhaps the problem is a bit more complicated than you like to assume it is.

Social issues usually are.

Pittsburgh Z
Guest

Really? It’s more complicated than that?

Chances are pretty damn good that if a gals keeps her panties on…she won’t get pregnant.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I have yet to impregnate a woman with her panties on. But then again, I’ve been shooting blanks for 34 years now.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Conversely, I keep my panties on while in the proximity of men and so far no pregnancies. It is really not that difficult to walk around with panties on.

perlcat
Member

Just ask J. Edgar Hoover,

hisham
Guest

That was a vicious Democrat Party lie! He was wearing a pink tu-tu.

jwilson07
Member

No one is forcing you to not murder Olivia, it is a choice a person makes. Of course being a civilized nation we tend to have laws against murder. Only a liberal child hating democrat could possibly say” its okay, its not born yet.” Hitler would be so proud of your defense of the final solution.

Pittsburgh Z
Guest

Barbara Lee…you are a f-ing idiot!

The culture of DEATH that permeates the black community is sickening and should make these so-called black leaders cry every night

Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., has also spoken out against the billboards.

“I am deeply offended by the race-based billboards that are being displayed in my congressional district by the Radiance Foundation and Issues4life,” she said in a statement.

“These billboards stigmatize women of color and perpetuate myths about parenting skills and the types of women who seek and use abortion services,” Lee added.

Pittsburgh Z
Guest

How in the world do i get two thumbs down by using her own words? Are we really going to argue whether or not there is a culture of death in the black community?

Did I get two-thumbs down for saying she is a F-ing idiot? Cuz she is!

KimmyQueen
Guest

There are a lot of haters on this site….

Pittsburgh Z
Guest

Then, Kimmy, I get one for asking how I got the other two!

Too funny.

But I am amazed at how the black community just lets it slide that so many of their community are killed before they have a chance to live. Are killed before they get a chance to graduate from high school. Are killed, period.

It has to stop at some point. When do the brothers just say, “no, I’m not going to kill a guy because he ‘disrespected’ me.”

It’s sad…..

KimmyQueen
Guest

Your post reminded me of this:

(There is “language” and racial words. Not safe for work. I find it hilarious though.)

This is a clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhgwy9y5ttA (better quality and more into the “explanation”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAVR5xGWE8 i recommend watching this one. When they cut and you see flames, the man Stinkmeaner is in Hell and he gives Satan the lip so Satan send him back to Earth just a bit of an explanation there.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZihptDKN_I&feature=related
I would advice watching the whole thing, but the most important part is from 2:53 to 3:35 minutes. Video just above. If you want to see the rest of the episode you will find it on youtube right next to it.

In any case…

It seems that everyone may have these “moments” it is not exclusive to any one race. I am sure there are Redneck Moments , Irish Moments, Italian Moments and Yakuza moments or whatever, overall the most important thing besides the culture and race issues is to try to be a decent human being OVERALL. I think that if more people made it their business to be decent and live honestly and peacefully we would see less violence among the POOR and uneducated (of any race, color, or culture).

Pittsburgh Z
Guest

Kimmy, I know it is not just black guys. But the percentages are just too damned high in the black community. It is really easy to go through life without killing someone..I’ve done it so far.

Someone just has to say “enough”.

And it sure as hell isn’t going to be Sharpton or Jackson.

KimmyQueen
Guest

The answer lies in the reason(s). These are all conjectures and questions: Educated people of any color or race manages to go through life without murdering people far more than those who are uneducated? Rich and middle class people can also have less numbers in killing rates than those who are poor? People who engage actively in a benign religion definetly kill less than those who are not part of a benign religion or are part of a violent religion? Those with strong morals and codes of behavior (regardless of religion) kill less than those who do not have morals and codes? People who are not insane are less dangerous than those that are insane? Those that come from abusive (of any kind) backgrounds end up being more dangerous than those who had non abusive backgrounds (or found help/mentorship in time)? People who have more than what number of good qualities end up being less likely to do someone in…? Are conservatives less prone to violence and obscene behavior?

I think these are good studies to do instead of finding out if male mosquitoes can be turned gay or if shrimps are good runners. Why are certain people or groups more susceptible to whatever is lacking in their lives? Or what do they have more than others do not have?

I don’t have the millions of dollars that it will take to determine this. A lot of these studies concentrate on race and color as that is going to explain the reasons behind it and it doesn’t it just states that a certain race and color does this and that, if anything those tests can be very racist or were made with racist undertones. The best way is to study what kind of people are less prone to violence and immoral behavior regardless of their color or even culture. Cut away the superficial to see what is going on.

Asking as to why this is happening “SEEMINGLY” more in one group of people over another I believe it is a fallacy.

As a Christian I believe that G-d had very healthy and appropriate moral codes for humanity. If humanity followed the code of behavior it is good for everyone. If they didnt it was bad for everyone. All people of all races and nationalities and colors and so on and so forth CAN follow the behaviors listed in G-d’s codes of conduct. It just so happen that some choose not to, or do not know how to because of lack of (?) OR too much of (?). Of course evil is a good reason but we are all evil or capable of evil at some point in time so I guess even evil comes in degrees… Some people are just more evil than others, but it is not fair to determine that black people are more evil than white. As a good number of white, asian and african world leaders in several countries and time frames have all showcased the evils of human nature. Hitler was evil but so was Genghis Khan, so was Nero, so was Che, so was Mohammed, and so is Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe).

I don’t know it is too complicated and like I said it is going to take a massive study and the right questions in an appropriately good number of people accross the board.

hisham
Guest

She has friends!

Anonymous
Guest

It is fairly simple, the liberals doesn´t want blacks to be pro-life, that is why this sign is declared racist. More so, they fear that appealing to racial kindship will work well among blacks.

I laugh at you pro-choooooiiiiice people, how many of you (outside of depression) enjoy the thought of simply never having been born? That is right, not many.

Olivia
Member

It is fairly simple, the liberals doesn´t want blacks to be pro-life
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Nonsense. Liberals like me want black women (they are women, not just a color) to make their own decisions. It’s YOU who are trying to force them to conform to your own expectations.
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, that is why this sign is declared racist.
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So far, I haven’t seen a soul on this board (myself included) declaring that sign to be racist. Somebody’s nose is beginning to grow again.

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More so, they fear that appealing to racial kindship will work well among blacks.

I laugh at you pro-choooooiiiiice people, how many of you (outside of depression) enjoy the thought of simply never having been born? That is right, not many.

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But this is not about what I “enjoy,” Anonymous. It’s not about my feelings (or yours) at all. Nor is it about “appealing to racial kindship” (whatever that’s supposed to mean). It’s about THE LAW.

None of you antichoicers seem to be getting that simple fact. You rant and wail and scream RACISM! and IT’S NOT A BLOB OF TISSUE! and SEE HOW YOU LIKE IT! and IT’S GEEEEEEENOCIIIIIIIIDE! and HITLER! and IT’S AN INNOCENT BAAAAAAAAAAABYYYYYYYYY! You ask me how I can be so hardhearted. You call me names. You trot out scary sounding irrelevancies like HILLARY CLINTON LOVES MARGARET SANGER! You b*tch about (and misquote) Obama. But the one fact you don’t seem to be addressing: Abortion is LEGAL. It’s legal because (1) fetuses don’t have civil rights under the law, and (2) pregnant women, like everyone else in this country, have a right to make their own medical decisions, IN PRIVATE, without having to justify them to nosy uterus sniffers.

I’m terribly sorry if that offends or hurts you, but those are the facts. If you can’t handle living in a country where women (regardless of race) are trusted to govern their own bodies, perhaps you’d be happier someplace like Saudi Arabia, where men dictate and women are forced to obey. But, here in the U.S., you don’t have that right.

Anonymous
Guest

“Liberals like me want black women (they are women, not just a color) to make their own decisions.”

From what I have seen and others I know have seen too, you only want others to make YOUR decisions.

“Abortion is LEGAL”

Would you use this arguments in countries where abortion is illegal or even the US of 40 years ago?

“govern their own bodies”

Here is the 1st problem, it isn´t their own bodies. It isn´t themselves or even a part of themselves they are killing, but another human.
2nd prob, the choooooooice thing. Let us say moonbat hunting was legal and someone who just got a licence decide your head in his livingroom, would that be his or her chooooice or something else? Call a goose a goose, not an arachnid.

“IN PRIVATE, without having to justify them to nosy uterus sniffers. ”

With obamacare, that is no longer the case.

Bottom line, as long as you don´t regret existing, you are an hypocrite and you are laughed at.

David Bishop
Member

Pretty sure slavery was once legal. But we grew out of it because cultural evolution began to dictate that it was heinous. The same will happen with abortion. Using the law to defend a position is a pretty terrible way to do so. Why not just tell us how “YOU” feel?

Olivia
Member

Pretty sure slavery was once legal. But we grew out of it because cultural evolution began to dictate that it was heinous. The same will happen with abortion. Using the law to defend a position is a pretty terrible way to do so. Why not just tell us how “YOU” feel?

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I already have, David—-several times.

And “using the law to defend a position” is absolutely appropriate, when discussing the legalities of an issue.

David Bishop
Member

No one here is arguing the legality of abortion. If you think you are, then you’re debating with a ghost. The rest of us here are discussing how it should be illegal.

Olivia
Member

No one here is arguing the legality of abortion. If you think you are, then you’re debating with a ghost. The rest of us here are discussing how it should be illegal.

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Based on what, David? The fact that you don’t trust women to make wise decisions about their own uteruses?

Do you seriously think that by making abortion illegal, you’re going to stop it? To tweak a much-loved libertarian slogan: If abortions are outlawed, only outlaws will be performing abortions.

Now, tell me why you think that would be a good thing for the United States.

David Bishop
Member

That’s fine. Like I said… Robbing banks is illegal. People do it. People get punished. Or should we make that legal, so there are less people incarcerated?

Don L
Guest

Olivia says: “…And our response (which right wingers tend to ignore) is to point out that defending women’s right to govern their own uteruses, and the contents thereof…”

The arrogance of baby killers to refer to a human being as “the contents therof”
You don’t have a “right” to take innocent life – legality doesn’t make things right (ask those Jews that died in Hitler’s ovens) The only right you have is because of Nature’s God having made you in His Image – it is for that reason that you must behave responsibly and morally. (natural law)
Killing another fully alive, fully human, fully precious, fully having the same right to life that you claim, just because if happens to reside in you uterus is evil -grave evil. Calling it a good doesn’t change that one bit.
Once again-it is not your body that you leave dead in the abortionist’s chamber. And you know full well that Obama killed that silly lie about “your uterus ” and “it’s just fetal tissue” stone dead, when he said we must now kill them if they escape the uterus based upon the new lie – “intent” paving the way for infanticide!

Olivia
Member

Olivia says: “…And our response (which right wingers tend to ignore) is to point out that defending women’s right to govern their own uteruses, and the contents thereof…”

The arrogance of baby killers to refer to a human being as “the contents therof”
You don’t have a “right” to take innocent life – legality doesn’t make things right (ask those Jews that died in Hitler’s ovens) The only right you have is because of Nature’s God having made you in His Image – it is for that reason that you must behave responsibly and morally. (natural law)
Killing another fully alive, fully human, fully precious, fully having the same right to life that you claim, just because if happens to reside in you uterus is evil -grave evil. Calling it a good doesn’t change that one bit.
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If you honestly believe that abortion is evil, I wholeheartedly support your right not to have one. But you still don’t have a legal right to interfere with ANY woman’s management of her own reproductive system.

Sorry, but that’s one of the prices you pay to live in a free country: you don’t get to dictate other people’s private decisions. If you want to take charge of a uterus, grow your own.
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Once again-it is not your body that you leave dead in the abortionist’s chamber. And you know full well that Obama killed that silly lie about “your uterus ” and “it’s just fetal tissue” stone dead, when he said we must now kill them if they escape the uterus based upon the new lie – “intent” paving the way for infanticide!
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Obama said “We must now kill them if they escape the uterus”? Your fables just keep getting more and more bizarre, Don. Got a source to that direct quote, or do you just want to admit right now that you’re bearing false witness again?

Don L
Guest

Gosh Olivia why did you see fit to place quotes around my words when even in your copy of what I said, there are none?

You know danged well what Obama fought for in Illinois, and to defend such gross evil in zealous support of infanticide says all we need to know about Obama and you.

Olivia
Member

You know danged well what Obama fought for in Illinois, and to defend such gross evil in zealous support of infanticide says all we need to know about Obama and you.

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I’m afraid I have NO idea what you’re referring to, Don. Would you mind posting a link? Not a link to some hysterical diatribe on a rabid antichoice site, but one that dispassionately presents the facts?

Olivia
Member

Gosh Olivia why did you see fit to place quotes around my words when even in your copy of what I said, there are none?

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Those words were taken directly from your post, Don. Don’t blame me if you can’t keep track of your own rants.

MDLION
Member

The innocent unborn black child is aborted at the rate of approximately 1452 a day in this country. And those who defend this are usually the ones calling those who generally don’t, racist. Just once, even on Fox, I’d like to see one of these people asked:”As a defender of black abortions, where do you get the moral authority from to lecture on racism?”

Olivia
Member

The innocent unborn black child is aborted at the rate of approximately 1452 a day in this country. And those who defend this are usually the ones calling those who generally don’t, racist. Just once, even on Fox, I’d like to see one of these people asked:”As a defender of black abortions, where do you get the moral authority from to lecture on racism?”

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Liberals ARE asked that question, over and over and over. And our response (which right wingers tend to ignore) is to point out that defending women’s right to govern their own uteruses, and the contents thereof, isn’t the same thing as being a proponent of “black abortions.”

It intrigues me, though, that so many posters here seem to think that “black abortion” is a separate issue from abortion itself. Are you insinuating that black women should be coerced more than other women? Are you insinuating that they’re less capable of making appropriate decisions about their own reproductive systems? If so, why? And, if not, why do you keep singling them out, instead of treating abortion as the women’s issue it is, rather than a racial issue?

Sidekick
Member

I am certain that you did not read the link I included in an earlier post. If you had you would have seen that the article is pointing out what black activists call genocide. Not conservatives. You and your ilk are the enablers of this phenomenon and you’re too caught up in “reproductive rights” to get the distinction.

Olivia
Member

I am certain that you did not read the link I included in an earlier post. If you had you would have seen that the article is pointing out what black activists call genocide. Not conservatives. You and your ilk are the enablers of this phenomenon and you’re too caught up in “reproductive rights” to get the distinction.
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If black activists consider the right to safe, legal abortion to be “genocide,” then I support their rights to speak out on the issue.

But I do not support any effort to deny women the right to manage their own reproductive systems. And I have a serious problem with anyone who’s so arrogant as to think that women need Nanny Government (or a bunch of overwhelmingly male reactionaries) to do it for them.

Care to explain why you have so little faith in women to manage their own bodies intelligently, Kick?

Sidekick
Member

Your last sentence has nothing to do with the topic. You are simply ignoring the larger point.

Olivia
Member

Your last sentence has nothing to do with the topic. You are simply ignoring the larger point.

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Wrong again, Kick.

I’m not advocating “genocide” in any way, shape or form. I’m simply advocating that well-meaning “pro life” busybodies get their noses the heck out of women’s uteruses.

If “black genocide” is indeed going on, then I believe that black women are sensible enough to decide what’s right for them—-without a bunch of overbearing white males (and females) getting in their way.

Now, once again: tell me why you believe women are incapable of making prudent decisions concerning their own uteruses and reproductive system.

Sidekick
Member

Olivia, read and understand what I said. Can you? Distinctions are so far beyond you.

KimmyQueen
Guest

“read and understand what I said”… Not possible. We all know that liberals are unable to read AND understand anything that a conservative has to say. It requires too many brain cells that they so seriously lack. They only have enough cells to share non-sense and bile. You really shouldn’t expect too much of the stalker. You are asking too much of it.

Sidekick
Member

You’re right. You’re right.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Parry. Thrust. Jab. Prevaricate. Change topic to take attention away from previously stated lie. S.O.P. from Alinsky.

VelvetKevorkian
Member

Yes the liberal idiots never seem to remember or know very much about our dear friend Margaret Sanger and her agenda. It’s worked quite beautifully for decades, the progressives try to deny the existence of eugenics and the real purpose of planned parenthood. I just wish more conservatives would start calling out PP for what it is and exposing eugenics ties to Darwinism. Devaluing life to further the socialist experiment.

Olivia
Member

Yes the liberal idiots never seem to remember or know very much about our dear friend Margaret Sanger and her agenda. It’s worked quite beautifully for decades, the progressives try to deny the existence of eugenics and the real purpose of planned parenthood. I just wish more conservatives would start calling out PP for what it is and exposing eugenics ties to Darwinism. Devaluing life to further the socialist experiment.

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The Margaret Sanger red herring has already been done to death in this discussion, Velvet.

If you want to keep hammering on it here, would you mind producing your evidence that today’s Planned Parenthood is actively pursuing a eugenics agenda? So far, no one’s come up with any.

(Real evidence—-not just hysterical accusations from rabid antichoicers, please.)

VelvetKevorkian
Member

You mean anti-life. Are you denying that PP doesn’t provide abortions for the elements of society that Sanger disapproved of? There’s your evidence, look who is getting the abortions, they’re not all rape and incest victims. You should read her books I won’t do your work for you. There’s no red herring here, just the truth about PP. Just because you deny it doesn’t make it any less true.

Olivia
Member

You mean anti-life. Are you denying that PP doesn’t provide abortions for the elements of society that Sanger disapproved of?
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Why, yes, I am. Planned Parenthood provides safe and affordable abortion to any woman who needs one, not just selected minorities.
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There’s your evidence, look who is getting the abortions, they’re not all rape and incest victims.
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Well, first of all, why women are choosing abortion is none of your business. Under U.S. law, women are not obligated to justify their decision to you or anyone else. And, second, did you ever stop to think that one reason minorities have so many abortions might have something to do with being unable to afford more children?

Oh, I know—-it’s easy to argue that they should “just keep their legs closed” or use birth control. But the first snap solution hasn’t worked very well, has it? Even wealthy white girls like Bristol Palin, with a domineering mother who regularly preaches abstinence to anyone who will listen, screwed up on that one. As for the second snap solution: unfortunately, one of the best sources for birth control for poor women has traditionally been Planned Parenthood, which the right wing is busily trying to destroy. So how can you honestly say you’re in favor of ready access to birth control, right while you’re busily demonizing the agency that provides it?

Don L
Guest

“Why, yes, I am. Planned Parenthood provides safe and affordable abortion to any woman who needs one, not just selected minorities.”

Safe! It is pure insanity to speak such stuff. Two living humans go in and one body is left behind dead, and it’s not her body that she “chose” to be killed. Deny That!

Let’s not forget that Obama insisted we kill them “after they’re born.” He didn’t say how long after they escape the abortionist’s best efforts to destroy their innocent lives, such legal power to murder a fully born human would last -5 minutes or 5 years.
At least, he put to bed forever, the big lies of, “it’s my body” and it’s just tissue” etc.

We have slaughtered more innocent humans than Hitler , Stalin and Mao combined, yet we still have the Godless screaming for approval to slaughter more.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Obama considers babies that aren’t planned to be a punishment that he wouldn’t want his daugthers to deal with (he doesn’t want to deal with). He doesn’t know when a baby is really a baby because it is above his paygrade, but his paygrade is good enough for him to determine that babies are punishments not a blessing like G-d says.

That is the problem with liberals. If it is a consequence of behavior it is a punishment and liberals HATE punishment.

Olivia
Member

Obama considers babies that aren’t planned to be a punishment that he wouldn’t want his daugthers to deal with (he doesn’t want to deal with). He doesn’t know when a baby is really a baby because it is above his paygrade, but his paygrade is good enough for him to determine that babies are punishments not a blessing like G-d says.

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Where did God state that babies are “a blessing”? I can’t seem to find that quote in my Bible. 😉

I’m also having a hard time reconciling this right wing notion that babies are always “blessings” with some of the nasty remarks I see posted here, about welfare recipients who have more “blessings” than right wingers think they’re entitled to. Seems to me that the wording gets a little cruder, when they’re referring to these “blessings” who are likely to cost the taxpayers money or inconvenience. Odd how that works, huh?

Your remark about Obama not knowing “when a baby is really a baby” is inaccurate. According to the law and to science, a fetus becomes a baby after it is surviving on its own outside the womb. The fact that YOU choose to use the term “baby” inaccurately doesn’t serve as evidence that Obama is ignorant—–just that you’re trying to create your own reality.

David Bishop
Member

Fetus is latin for baby?

Olivia
Member

That is the problem with liberals. If it is a consequence of behavior it is a punishment and liberals HATE punishment.
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Only cruel and unusual ones, Kimmy.

But you, it seems, have no problem with cruel and unusual punishment—-provided it’s aimed at somebody you don’t know or care about.

The religious hypocrisy being paraded here is downright ludicrous—-and as entertaining as a bad movie. On the one hand, you want to yank away social safety nets from the people who are most in need of them: single mothers. You claim the country is “broke,” and we can’t afford them.

On the other hand, you suddenly come up with this wildly extravagant idea of throwing everyone in prison who’s had an abortion. For YEARS! Yeah, THAT makes great fiscal sense—-let’s build millions more prison cells; let’s break up the families of these “innocent babies” that you claim to care so much about, and dump all the kids in orphanages, or farm them out to foster care for half of their formative years.

Let’s do everything we can possibly think of, to mire these families down in poverty for the rest of their lives, and give the kids a troubled and insecure childhood. Then we can all boast about what fine, compassionate Christians we are……while racking up billions of dollars of debt for the future. We can dump that problem on all those “innocent babies,” too.

But, hey, as idiotic and irresponsible as this idea is, it has the two features that angry far righters care most about: (1) it targets the poor much more than it does the affluent (since affluent women can afford to fly to another country for their abortions), and (2) (this is the most important, and is a feature of every single far right wing political scheme that comes down the pike) it ensures that THEY (the far right) can interfere with other people’s lives, while suffering absolutely no inconveniences themselves, or having to take any sort of social responsibility.

Yeah, that’s REAL Christianity at work.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Ha! I got to be the third thumb down on that one. Now I’ll be walking around smiling all day.

drb
Member

Yeah, that’s a fun game to play isn’t it.

Olivia
Member

“Why, yes, I am. Planned Parenthood provides safe and affordable abortion to any woman who needs one, not just selected minorities.”

Safe! It is pure insanity to speak such stuff. Two living humans go in and one body is left behind dead, and it’s not her body that she “chose” to be killed. Deny That!
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That’s easy, Don. Under the law, a fetus is not a “living human,’ nor does it possess civil rights and liberties. And it’s the law I’m concerned with here, not your personal opinions.
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Let’s not forget that Obama insisted we kill them “after they’re born.”
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Got the full direct quote to that, Don? Not just a carefully edited sort-of-sounds-like paraphrasing, but a legitimate, well documented quote?
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He didn’t say how long after they escape the abortionist’s best efforts to destroy their innocent lives, such legal power to murder a fully born human would last -5 minutes or 5 years.
At least, he put to bed forever, the big lies of, “it’s my body” and it’s just tissue” etc.

We have slaughtered more innocent humans than Hitler , Stalin and Mao combined, yet we still have the Godless screaming for approval to slaughter more.
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Nonsense. I don’t see a single soul here “screaming approval”
for abortion. What I see is a brainwashed far righter, who apparently believes that women are too stupid to make intelligent decisions regarding their own uteruses and the contents thereof, and must therefore let reactionary men dictate those decisions FOR them.

As I’ve pointed out several times here, if your argument holds any water whatsoever, you shouldn’t have to depend on hysteria, name calling and lies to present it.

Don L
Guest

“That’s easy, Don. Under the law, a fetus is not a “living human,’ nor does it possess civil rights and liberties. And it’s the law I’m concerned with here, not your personal opinions.”

Deny it’s murder and then shift the moral argument to telling us that your not interested in killing babies but only the law? How noble you are, who callously would murder innocent life.

The law? You mean that charade of pretense that “emanations from penumbras” silly mumbo jumbo that was created out of thin air in Row vs Wade -that law?
That was the law that gave women like you the right to privacy with your doctor. But Obamacare took that away and I have still not found a pro-death woman complain. Do you have a lot of comments you could link us to, complaining about the loss of your Row vs Wade privacy rights under Obamacare? I thought not? Your uterus will soon be the business of every and any bureaucrat in the nation. Law, pshaw! God’s law is the only on that matters.

Hypocrisy is thy name.

Olivia
Member

“That’s easy, Don. Under the law, a fetus is not a “living human,’ nor does it possess civil rights and liberties. And it’s the law I’m concerned with here, not your personal opinions.”

Deny it’s murder and then shift the moral argument to telling us that your not interested in killing babies but only the law? How noble you are, who callously would murder innocent life.

The law? You mean that charade of pretense that “emanations from penumbras” silly mumbo jumbo that was created out of thin air in Row vs Wade -that law?
That was the law that gave women like you the right to privacy with your doctor. But Obamacare took that away and I have still not found a pro-death woman complain.
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I don’t know any pro-death women, Don. Apparently you and I travel in very different social circles. 😉
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Do you have a lot of comments you could link us to, complaining about the loss of your Row vs Wade privacy rights under Obamacare?
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You’re the one who’s making the claim, Don, not I. Therefore it’s incumbent on YOU, not me, to back up your claim with facts. Or do you just want to admit that you’re making it up as you go along?
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I thought not? Your uterus will soon be the business of every and any bureaucrat in the nation. Law, pshaw! God’s law is the only on that matters.
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Not in a court of law, it isn’t.

Olivia
Member

Do you have a lot of comments you could link us to, complaining about the loss of your Row vs Wade privacy rights under Obamacare?
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You’re the one who’s making the claim, Don, not I. Therefore it’s incumbent on YOU, not me, to back up your claim with facts. Or do you just want to admit that you’re making it up as you go along?

Still waiting for you to back up your claim here, Don.

KaylaKW
Member

don’t forget! If we’re antichoice your antilife. 😀

Olivia
Member

don’t forget! If we’re antichoice your antilife.

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Not true, Kayla, because I haven’t expressed an opinion on whether or not a woman should get an abortion. I just think the option should be there in the event that she feels the need to do so.

YOU’RE the one who’s trying to make her private decisions for her.

KaylaKW
Member

Ah. Well if you would like to turn it so that we’re the bad guys… the ones who want to take every woman’s choice away to save the babies, then you must be the one who wants to give the woman a choice and allow the babies to be murdered, slaughtered, or whatever word helps you sleep at night while hundreds of thousands of babies are aborted each year.

Ruben
Member

Alright, Velvet, you got me! This conservative will call out PP for what it is: poo poo.

PsychoDad
Guest

Speaking of debunking stereotypes, do you think I’m a typical white person, bitterly clinging to my guns and my faith?

Hmm, what racist said that?

Olivia
Member

Speaking of debunking stereotypes, do you think I’m a typical white person, bitterly clinging to my guns and my faith?

Hmm, what racist said that?

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No one did. You’re dishonestly combining two separate remarks.

Nick
Guest

Who cares if they are separate remarks…they were made BY THE SAME PERSON. Thats not dishonest, you are dishonest by attempting to deflect the impact of those words by Obama.

How about Obama admitting he didnt read all of the facts, but then in the same breath claiming the cops acted stupidly, who happened to be white. Really? Thats not racism?

Olivia
Member

How about Obama admitting he didnt read all of the facts, but then in the same breath claiming the cops acted stupidly, who happened to be white. Really? Thats not racism?

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Why, no, it isn’t. Not unless he was assigning negative stereotypes to a particular race.

He wasn’t doing that. Sure, his comment wasn’t any too tactful, but most of us wouldn’t be too tactful if we heard that a good friend of ours had been dragged out of his own home in handcuffs, under suspicion of burglary.

Sounds like you’re rather eager to—-what’s that term you far righters love to fling at us liberals?—-“play the race card.” But Obama made no generalizations about white policemen—-just expressed an opinion on how THESE particular policemen (one of whom was black, by the way) behaved in one situation.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

PhychoDad, does it count if I cling to my guns and lack of faith?

David Bishop
Member

<3 you.

PsychoDad
Guest

Our Dearest Livvy said:
“…we liberals spend quite a bit of our time debunking stereotypes (racial, religious, ethnic, gender, cultural, political, you name it) that right wing propaganda seems to thrive on.”

Funny, you liberals seem to expend an awful lot of energy promoting the stereotype that black Americans ought to vote for Democrats, and any that think otherwise aren’t “really” black. And, in doing so, resort to some of the vilest ethnic stereotypes. Do you really claim no knowledge of the whirlpool of pictures (and headlines) depicting Clarence Thomas literally as a lawn jockey statue, or Condi Rice in Aunt Jemima garb?

Olivia
Member

Our Dearest Livvy said:
“…we liberals spend quite a bit of our time debunking stereotypes (racial, religious, ethnic, gender, cultural, political, you name it) that right wing propaganda seems to thrive on.”

Funny, you liberals seem to expend an awful lot of energy promoting the stereotype that black Americans ought to vote for Democrats, and any that think otherwise aren’t “really” black. And, in doing so, resort to some of the vilest ethnic stereotypes. Do you really claim no knowledge of the whirlpool of pictures (and headlines) depicting Clarence Thomas literally as a lawn jockey statue, or Condi Rice in Aunt Jemima garb?

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I’ve heard about them, because you guys bring them up here about every two minutes, but I haven’t seen them. If I did, I’d speak up against them. No, I don’t expect black Americans to vote as I think they should vote—-and, just in case you’re going to trot out that other popular (and equally bogus) antiliberal stereotype, no, I don’t go around referring to black Republicans as “Oreos,” “Uncle Toms” or “traitors.” I just assume that they, like white Republicans, have their own reasons for putting business interests first.

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Olivia
Member

Author: David Bishop
Comment:
Why in this world with a truly elected black president (with which white people were a more decisive factor in his victory then black people) is the word racist thrown around like it still has merit?
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Why, because racism still exists, and still has the power to damage society, that’s why. Having a duly elected black president is a milestone for minorities in this country, but it didn’t magically cure the centuries-old problem of racism.

I tend to use a lot of medical analogies, and for that reason I often compare racism to an abscess. Abscesses are painful infections under the skin. Left untreated, they can do huge damage; but, on the surface, they don’t look all that bad. In fact, except for the pain, it’s fairly easy to pretend they don’t exist.

The treatment, on the other hand, incision and drainage, can be scary and unpleaant. The doctor makes an X shaped incision, then squeezes out a big pile of foul smelling blood and pus. And it’s painful—much more painful than just ignoring the abscess. But it has to be done sooner or later—and the longer you wait, the bigger the problem is likely to get.

Racism is the same way. In recent years, it’s become taboo to talk about racism or to admit to having race related prejudices (although we all do, from time to time). But, when Obama was elected, it was as if that carefully concealed abscess was being cut open and the underlying infection exposed.

In spite of that, and in spite of the ugly, racist comments that are often aimed at him and his wife, I think Obama’s election was a huge milestone in this country. Ten years ago, I would never have believed that Republicans would be seriously considering black presidential candidates—and I doubt most Republicans would have believed it, either. But, as the saying goes, you can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs. I doubt any future black president will ever have to suffer the race related hatred that Obama has endured.
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Why can’t we as a nation, as a partisan group, as an individual dislike or like something without race entering in as a weapon on either side?
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Some can. Certainly I’ve seen voters who dislike or disapprove of Obama’s actions, without making racist comments or attributing racist stereotypes to him. But there are others who can’t look at the president (or any black person) without their perception being skewed by racism. And, for these people, the mere fact that he aimed for the presidency—and achieved it—-is reason enough to detest him and everything he stands for.
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This is silly. These allegations of racism back and forth only perpetuate and exacerbate our differences while ignoring our collective interests: the bettering of America, the resumption of our founding principles, and the instilling of general human rights into the popular cultural evolution.

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That’s your opinion. My opinion is that it would be as big a mistake to ignore the racism that still exists in our society, as it would to try to treat an abscess by hiding it under a gauze dressing. Like that abscess, most societal ills aren’t going to go away, just by being ignored. It makes much more sense, in my opinion, to examine them, talk about them, try to figure out where they’re coming from, and what’s perpetuating them, and then address those causes.

David Bishop
Member

Racism is a word, and like every word, like f*ck or c*nt or s*it, is only powerful as long as it is taboo. Even the “far right” seeks to abolish such ideals and ideology. With heroes like Thomas Sowell, Allan West, Gary Franks, Tim Scott, Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, and Enoch Powell, how can you claim the conservative right is the one perpetuating racism? In fact it seems to be the left that does so. Maybe you should have a talk with your own party. It seems hard to find an inspirational black figure from your side…. Charlie Rangel? Obama?

Olivia
Member

Racism is a word, and like every word, like f*ck or c*nt or s*it, is only powerful as long as it is taboo. Even the “far right” seeks to abolish such ideals and ideology. With heroes like Thomas Sowell, Allan West, Gary Franks, Tim Scott, Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, and Enoch Powell, how can you claim the conservative right is the one perpetuating racism?
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Perhaps because I see so many far righters (not you) still repeating ugly black stereotypes. Perhaps because the Republican track record for electing black Americans to high office hasn’t been any too inspiring. And perhaps because there has been so much inordinate hatred (not just disapproval of his policies, but downright HATRED) aimed at Obama.

Yes, yes, I know—–every day we see right wingers singing the praises of Herman Cain and Thomas Sowell, so they couldn’t possibly be racist, right? Well, yes, actually they could, and I’ll tell you why.

First, even dyed-in-the-wool racists will occasionally make exceptions for members of the targeted racial/ethnic group who “don’t fit the mold.” And, second, so far I haven’t seen much specific praise for Herman Cain’s perceived qualifications and position on the issues (other than yours)—-but I’ve seen many, many gloatings that electing him would be a real kick in the pants to liberals. So are those who support him all doing so because he’s the best one for the job, or because they want to be able to yell “Racist!” at liberals who criticize his policies?

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In fact it seems to be the left that does so. Maybe you should have a talk with your own party. It seems hard to find an inspirational black figure from your side…. Charlie Rangel? Obama?
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We have many “inspirational black figures,” David. Since Reconstruction, there have been 101 black men and women serving in the U.S. House of Representatives (106, if you include DC and Virgin Islands representatives) Care to guess how many of them were elected by the GOP? Five. Five black House representatives in the past 82 years. Up until January of this year, there had been only three.

In contrast, 100 of those representatives were elected by Democrats (one, from the Virgin Islands, was an Independent).

Now, let’s look at the U.S. Senate. Over the past 120 years, there have been only four black U.S. Senators, ONE of whom was a Republican (from liberal Massachusetts).

Mind you, I think it’s a good thing that Republicans are starting to show more support for minority candidates. I look back to 2008, when many of us Democrats were chuckling at the GOP’s lookalike lineup of wealthy white men, most of them elderly, and can’t help feeling that the current trend for more diversity is a good thing. (And, incidentally, I think Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama had a lot to do with encouraging that trend.)

We’ll see what happens in 2012.

In the meantime, let’s see which posters here continue to affect “Ebonics” dialect, make derogatory and irrelevant remarks about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, insinuate that Obama is from the “ghetto,” and repeat nasty generalizations about black voters being too stupid to consider anything but race when casting their ballots.

I can pretty well guarantee you that I won’t be one of those posters, whether or not Cain wins the GOP nomination.

David Bishop
Member

What does vehement hatred towards one’s president have anything to do with racism? Should we say then all the posters showing Bush JR with a Hitler mustache and burning in flames had a racist tinge? Maybe some people just generally hate other people. I can tell you, the most racist comment I have heard in real life was from a democrat, and it was “Way to go Obama, ruining it for black people.” I live in Kansas, and I would think that was “racist central.” I hear a lot of people making fun of him for his stuttering and “uh, uh, uhs,” but they did that wish Bush. I see a lot of bumper stickers that recommend impeaching him for crimes. Saw that with Bush.

Sometimes darling, you’re just a shitty president.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Was I racist for hating Carter?

David Bishop
Member

Looking back I love that line.

Sometimes darling, you’re just a shitty president.

Can we please get a president in office who takes something off the national debt, even if it’s just a dollar?

Not so silent
Member

Olivia, please spare us the cut and paste..Your nothing more than a troll with an agenda. You bring nothing to the conversation. I have been reading stories here for a long time and you seem to have a hatred for people who express views other than yours which of course is a symptom of liberal mental illness. I dought you will enlighten anyone here by wasiting column space with your cut and pasting. Perhaps you should try interior decorating, wallpaper is fun to cut and paste and the wallpaper will never disagree with you which is what liberals want, Kinda like the socialists in Germany in the 30’s and early 40’s. They also tried to hide behind thier “so called intelligence” to drive home their point of view. To automatically assume all conservatives are racist, is much like saying all Jews are subhuman. They are not but the followers of Adolph and company followed along without question, just like you do. It may be hard, but try and think outside the glass of Kool-aid your constantly drinking.

Olivia
Member

Olivia, please spare us the cut and paste..Your nothing more than a troll with an agenda. You bring nothing to the conversation. I have been reading stories here for a long time and you seem to have a hatred for people who express views other than yours which of course is a symptom of liberal mental illness.
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Translation: “I can’t refute the point you were making by quoting Margaret Sanger directly, so I’ll fling a lot of overworked antiliberal insults at you instead. Am I winning the argument yet?”

KaylaKW
Member

and you STILL believe that you don’t twist peoples words? Because that is precisely what your “Translations” do.

Don L
Guest

I suspect that most of the left and right (those fiscal conservatives that snarl at the God lovers and anti-baby killers) that fight against life on this inarguable issue have had abortions and must defend the evil they did to the end. Discourse, logic and truth only infuriate them – as it did with the mob that screamed “give us Barrabas!”

Olivia
Member

I suspect that most of the left and right (those fiscal conservatives that snarl at the God lovers and anti-baby killers) that fight against life on this inarguable issue have had abortions and must defend the evil they did to the end. Discourse, logic and truth only infuriate them – as it did with the mob that screamed “give us Barrabas!”

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Well, I’m not in the least “infuriated,” so I guess that means that none of you have responded with logic OR truth, huh? 😉

The rest of your post is just the usual attempt to assign negative stereotypes, instead of debating the issue honestly. I guess I could respond with a negative stereotype of my own—-that you think women are too stupid and gullible to be able to manage their own reproductive systems—-but I won’t. That is, I won’t if you can give me ANY logical reason not to.

David Bishop
Member

I’m a fiscal conservative, social liberal (the classical kind), and I dislike abortion. Get off mah back man!!!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I bet you’re not as fiscally conservative and socially liberal as I am, DB. I’m a card-carrying, dues-paying Libertarian. Yes, that’s a capital “L”

matthew s harrison
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Olivia-
Here are some of Sanger’s books/papers on eugenics-you know, her eugenics you claim were “debunked a long time ago”! I love it when an ignorant liberal comes here and tries to throw the party line out there and gets shot to pieces with proof, evidence, and a simple bibliography that can’t be “debunked” as you call it!
have a nice weekend. I am sure there are some young black women who need escorts into abortion clinics you need to go help-so run along!

The eugenic theme figured prominently in the Birth Control Review, which Sanger founded in 1917. She published such articles as “Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics” (June 1920), “The Eugenic Conscience” (February 1921), “The purpose of Eugenics” (December 1924), “Birth Control and Positive Eugenics” (July 1925), “Birth Control: The True Eugenics” (August 1928)

KimmyQueen
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You are wasting your time. The stalker is blind or else is paid. Whatever… the stalker is not worth it. I really do think that we should all get together on ignoring the stalker and not reply to any of the stalker’s ridiculous posts and then not talk about the stalker anymore. The stalker after all is stupid and will continue to speak to itself, but after a while, if we are strong enough to just thumb the stalker down and not read the diarrhea from the stalker’s mind, we shall be rid of the stalker soon enough. The only thing is the couple of stalker lovers that are around here. Who’s with me on this?

David Bishop
Member

After many moons, I have become obvious to the truth. She can accept neither logic nor proof, and only regurgitates the same talking points she accuses everyone else of. I for one welcome another voice on this site, one of moderateness and truth, but hers reeks of “translations” and contemplated and strategic attacks using vomited MSNBC logic and opinions.

Olivia
Member

After many moons, I have become obvious to the truth. She can accept neither logic nor proof, and only regurgitates the same talking points she accuses everyone else of. I for one welcome another voice on this site, one of moderateness and truth, but hers reeks of “translations” and contemplated and strategic attacks using vomited MSNBC logic and opinions.

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I don’t watch MSNBC, David—-don’t even have TV reception. I do occasionally watch an excerpt from MSNBC (as well as excerpts from other stations, including FOX) when someone sends me a link to a particularly noteworthy one. But how could I be “vomiting” what MSNBC says when I don’t even have access to it?

It couldn’t POSSIBLY be that, as a woman and a health care professional, I’m opposed to Nanny Government prying into women’s reproductive business, could it?

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Wow! Even DB figured her out now. Welcome to the good side. I started ignoring her weeks ago.

culmt
Member

dont guess black woman abort babies.

Geoff B
Member

Y’know what? I’ll own being anti-choice if that is what the liberals choose to call me, but then they should own being called pro abortion. Sorry liberals, you can’t have it both ways.Considering my stance on the death penalty, maybe pro-life isn’t so accurate. The difference of course being, aborted babies haven’t commited any crime other than having an irresponsible mother who chooses murder as birth control.

hisham
Guest

Thank you Geoff B stating my exact same sentiments so I don’t waste your time or mine trying to say what you’ve just said better than I would have said it myself!

Olivia
Member

Y’know what? I’ll own being anti-choice if that is what the liberals choose to call me, but then they should own being called pro abortion. Sorry liberals, you can’t have it both ways.
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But I’m NOT “pro abortion.” I’m pro choice. Why should I allow the far right to apply a label to me that doesn’t accurately express my political position?

David Bishop
Member

Pro choice = Pro Abortion? Why does the left use semantics so much? It doesn’t hide your agenda. I’m not pro-kill-all-the-ocean-life, I’m pro-oil-spill!!!!!!

Ruben
Member

Winning!

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