Half brother tweets image of Barack Obama Kenyan birth certificate

Half-brother tweets image of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. Various Obama scams and illegalities seem to be coming home to roost now that he doesn’t control the federal police agencies.

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J.P. Travis: Born and raised in Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1976 graduate of University of Michigan, father, grandfather, husband, founder and CEO of Travelyn Publishing (http://www.travelynpublishing.com/), and passionate anti-government believer in individual liberty.

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  • "Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States, under clause 5:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States"

    Read this multiple times and to be perfectly honest... I could totally qualify myself because again there is no explanation of what natural born means, nothing to say about location of birth and nothing about TWO parents needing to be citizens... and well if we accept the premise of being born from at least ONE citizen parent you are considered a citizen regardless of where you are born (as long as you have lived within US for 14 years)... then Barack is qualified. In the end, if Barack went through a naturalization process and became a Citizen he would still qualify.

    All in all, the Founders ALLOWED for those born in foreign lands to be US Presidents or those born from foreign parents as long as: They (the Presidents) became citizens themselves (or were born within designated US borders), they are 35 years of age and have lived and resided within the US for 14 years.

    So Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger who has always wanted to be President, could under this qualify for the Presidency as well.

    "Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada." To that we include of course Barack Obama whose Father is Kenyan (non citizen one assumes) and Mr. Donald Trump whose Mother is Scottish and she is a citizen.

    NOW according to this statute:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401 Obama seemingly does qualify as well as myself and perhaps Cruz, not Arnold however, he would be excluded. So this code would exclude people like Arnold, but not someone like myself, nor Cruz NOR Obama. Fascinating.

    Very illuminating... If we want to blame anyone we need to blame the Founders they f'ed up.

    • Conclusion in the linked article:

      "From this logical reasoning we conclude that even though Barack Obama may have been born in Hawaii, a fact which he has not yet conclusively proven, which would make him under the Fourteenth Amendment a “born Citizen,” or a “citizen at birth,” or a “citizen from birth,” he is still not a “natural born Citizen” because he was not born to “citizen” parents, meaning a U.S. “citizen” father and mother, which is what the American common law definition requires. And not being an Article II “natural born Citizen,” he is not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military."

      And this reasoning would also apply to Ted Cruz.

      • The article and the statutes disagree... I thought like you, some research later, realized I was wrong.

    • No, no, no. You aren't being logical. You're making natural born citizen the same as citizen and thereby pretending there was no reason for them to use the former term. Here (it's long but covers everything):

      http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2012/11/logic-and-defining-natural-born-citizen.html

      Aristotle: "But in practice a citizen is defined to be one of whom both the parents are citizens..." (The Aristotle definition is where the term "natural born citizen" originated. All other citizens are citizens by law, with each nation making its own decisions about what those laws should be.)

      Emmerich de Vattel (the founders were heavily influenced by him): "The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens." (Notice how he distinguishes between the two forms of citizenship.)

      • The article and the statute disagrees... if you disagree, your beef is with the Founders and the court that agreed upon the statute. The law as it stands is clear.

          • You posted a statute about the definition of "citizen at birth" which is not the same thing as "natural born citizen" which means you are once again conflating "citizen" with "natural born citizen" which I swear to God is going to make me scream in a minute. Why do people insist upon doing that?

            At one point in your original post you seem disappointed that the founders did not define "natural born citizen" for you, but the point is (as my link points out) they did not need to define it. At that point in time the phrase had an accepted meaning. The trouble is, our generation compared to their generation is so ignorant and poorly read that we have lost the meaning. But our ignorance does not change the intended meaning of the words in the Constitution. Obama was EXACTLY what the founders were worried about: a president with dual British and American citizenships (Kenya was still a British colony in 1961).

          • Do you JP. Do you. The truth is that the OR is everything and Obama qualifies and so does Cruz and so does Trump with his naturalized Mother. It is what it is. You want to be mad...? Be mad. This argument is a lost argument to have. The only thing that would matter is if his Mother decided not to be a citizen anymore at some point OR if he himself lost his citizenship at some point.

  • As a babyboomer ina military family, this was commonly discissed when we were kids. Some were born overseas, where they may or may not have lived on bSe, Mom'born elsewhere, but married to Americans. If one parent is acitizen, that's it. You are American. Some kids had dual citizenship, and at age 18 had to choose, but all were natural born citizens unless they rejected citizenship as adults.

    • I spoke to my Mom and that seems to be the situation indeed. This is shockingly fascinating...

    • "If one parent is a citizen, that’s it. You are American."

      Again with the conflation of citizen with natural born citizen. Drives me crazy. Military kids born with one foreign parent were citizens but not natural born citizens. Think about it: if a military guy fathered a baby by a local woman in Vietnam, returned to the states and never had any contact with that child (and that actually happened thousands of times by the way), would you want that child emigrating to the U.S. as an adult and becoming president? Of course not. That person knows nothing about this country except what he's been taught by the Vietnamese education system. THAT'S why the founders made the natural born citizen requirement. There were thousands of American citizens with one British parent at the time and they didn't want someone with British sympathies in the presidency.

  • Can't wait to see the clown's college transcripts, you know, the ones that show him to be a C- affirmative action student that passed because he was servicing his professors under their desks.

  • I'm back! If your parent is a citizen of the United States, you can be born on Mars and you are still a "natural born" citizen! Wasn't that easy?

    • That doesn't sound right on any level, and I blame the Founders. I think that the reason why the clause is so vague is because the Founders assumed that all future Presidents would have essentially be born within US clearly defined borders, they more than likely didn't think that Presidents and Vice Presidents would be born outside of the country or outside clearly defined US controlled borders or that they would have naturalized immigrants parent or even "worse" have a non-naturalized parent (like Obama).

      Because if what you are saying is correct, then I am natural born and therefore can run for the Presidency and there is no way that should be possible. My Parents were born in the same area as McCain in the same hospital, my Father is a US naturalized citizen, my Mom is naturalized citizen and I am naturalized citizen...I was born in Gorgas Hospital, US Army hospital. So I suppose I am natural born then.... I am definitely a citizen and I question why I even had to go through the process because my parents had already gone through the process, but I think my Mom had me go to through the process so I wouldn't have to wait longer to get the citizenship through her having to request me like you usually have to request for family members, but even if perhaps born in a Panamanian hospital I could still make the case perhaps due to parents being naturalized citizens and being born in US bases. I can make the case in the Supreme Court and I wonder if I would win it.

      It is my understanding that there have been several Presidents with just ONE US BORN Parents. The other parents were naturalized, not born in the US... one being our current President, his Mother is a naturalized immigrant from Scotland. If Barron runs, it is the same thing...

      I think this natural born thing was too vague, pretty much a lot of Presidents who probably didn't qualify, went through unchallenged (maybe I haven't researched them all), and so this ticky ticky with Obama is well... nonsensical then.

      The only two things with Obama is that he had ONE non naturalized parent and he MAY have been born OUTSIDE of any US defined borders. It is a mess.

  • We need to define the situation well. If you are born WITHIN US define borders within another country and one or both of your parents are United States citizens then you are a citizen and natural born right? Which means McCain was eligible

    If you are born in another country but NOT within US define borders (like an embassy) and one or both of your parents are US citizens you are a citizen but NOT natural born...? Which means that Ted Cruz isn't eligible right? He was born in Canada but not in a base or something right?

    So... is Obama natural born or not? If he was born in Kenya but not a US facility then he is not natural born... correct? If he is not natural born then his Presidency was fraudulent and everything he did is to be undone immediately.

    • I don't think either Obama or Cruz are natural born citizens, but we don't seem to be a nation of laws anymore.

      • I have come to the conclusion that there are two issues with Obama: He had one non citizen non naturalized parent and he MAY have been born outside of any clearly US controlled area OUTSIDE of the US proper. If he was born in Hawaii due to the 14th Amendment (or at least how it is being used at the moment) he is a citizen regardless of his non citizen parent.

        If he was born in Kenya and no where near a US controlled hospital or embassy or base, with the addition of the ONE non naturalized parent, there MAYBE a cause to question the natural born clause. However if that doesn't matter because his Mother is a BORN citizen AND the clause says natural born OR citizen (with no explanation of what natural born means and no explanation of location and no explanation of parenthood as the Mother could have been naturalized citizen for that matter), then this may mean that regardless he is a citizen as rose was saying above.

        If that is the case then Cruz is eligible as well and for that matter me as I was born within a US Army hospital, both naturalized parents who were both born in Navy hospital. I got Obama beat in location and BOTH my parents are citizens. I can make this case in the Supreme Court if I felt like it and run for the Presidency if I won it.

        • "If he was born in Hawaii due to the 14th Amendment (or at least how it is being used at the moment) he is a citizen regardless of his non citizen parent."

          But not a natural born citizen. This is what irritates me about these discussions: people always conflate "citizen" and "natural born citizen." If the former was sufficient the founders would not have gone to the trouble of writing the latter. From what you say, you, like Obama, are a citizen by law which is completely different than being a citizen naturally born. The goal was to make sure people with foreign sympathies were not ensconced in the highest office. Many times first and second generation Americans are the most patriotic citizens of all and have a higher appreciation for this country than naturally born citizens, but not always. Obama is the perfect example of why the phrase was used: with his foreign father, foreign stepfather, and residence during formative years in a foreign country, he did not think as an American. He did not appreciate this country. His goals were often inimical to this country's best interests.

          • “Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States, under clause 5:

            No Person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States”

            OR.... OR.... OR...

            (I'll get to the US Code 1401 later)

            So, according to this, a person who went through the process of becoming a citizen regardless of parents and location, reaches the age of 35 and has lived in the US for fourteen years is eligible. This is the Founder's fault. This is vastly simpler to understand than the Second Amendment.

            According to the 14th Amendment Section 1: " Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

            One can safely assume that if anything "natural born citizen" means a person naturally born within US designated borders (and if Obama was born in Hawaii, then that qualifies as such), but in the end the qualifications of Presidents says ...OR citizen... and born in US and naturalized person is citizen...

            So someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger would qualify under this very broad stance... however, according to this statute:

            https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

            Arnold does NOT qualify for the Presidency, Obama does qualify as well as myself and Cruz.

  • Trump derangement syndrome strikes again...Your whole life is wrapped up in this shit junior...Man what a pitiful life you have...Apparently you are the one riding the "menstrual" cycle....

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