Christian girl, 12, kidnapped, beaten until she converted to Islam and raped for eight months

Christian girl, 12, kidnapped, beaten until she converted to Islam and raped for eight months. Another episode brought to you by the religion of peace. As usual, the perpetrators have nothing to fear. Meanwhile, Obama keeps sending his good buddies in Pakistan billions.

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  • No churches, of any kind, allowed in Afganistan but there are Mosque's in all 50 of our states. We can't buy property in China but they own, and continue to buy, large blocks of property in the United States. Ditto almost every other country. Who our the idiots? We are. Our Government is our own worst enemy.

    • Don't get me started. The fact that non citizens can puchase real estate here is beyond belief. Here in Texas we have a number of homes owned by wealthy Mexican nationals. They are here for their use, but stand empty for months out of the year, encouraging vandalism and break ins.

      • In a lot of asian countries and other countries you are not allowed to buy land there for fear of foreign invasion and taking the land from the citizens. I understand that. Overall non-citizens and people who are NOT on the path to citizenship at all, should not be allowed to buy or own property of any kind in this country. Lease long term perhaps (1-5 years) in order to get some revenue from them (they are here for school or business purposes and legally here just not citizens nor on path). It makes sense to me. Even if it means that I am not able to own property anywhere else, it is what it is.

    • Yes, I agree 100% Marilyn, and I've read that we give aid to every country in the world including China. Unfkn believable.

      • we give aid to every country in the world including China

        We borow money from China to give it back to China as charity. Pure genious is what we have in DC!

      • When the hell are we going to wake up and stop borrowing money to give it away to other countries?
        STOP ALL FOREIGN AID!!

  • "There are bad “christians”? Sure… and they are duly punished and eradicated from the Church as they remain unrepentant."

    Well, other than the Catholic church, which moves them to another area and covers it up.

    • That is the denomination that chooses to protect these priests. The CHRISTIAN faith does not award protection over these priests. Christ was more than clear when He stated that anyone that hurt little children will wish they had never been born. I am sure He would agree the same to be true for those that protect them.

      I am not a Catholic and I have no idea what Catholics are doing about it. If Catholics overall are doing nothing about it, I find that utterly disgusting. They are worshipping the denomination and that is idolatry. I would like to believe that individual Catholics are keeping their individual and the corporate church leadership accountable. Overall, I have no idea how many millions of millions Catholics are in the world, if in comparison the abuses are "minimal" (although unfortunate of course), that just goes back to the previous conversation, that disgusting people can do things in the name of a faith/religion/denomination, BUT that does not mean that the Faith awards them protection to do it (like Shariah would).

      As far as I am concerned those priests are disgusting, anyone that protects them are as disgusting and this is not the practice of Christ. NO ONE can say that this is the practice of Christ from HIS own words and actions. Like let's say... Momo. However, my very small understanding is that once known overall (the adults came forward with their stories) things were done to either end the practice of moving them around and covering it up, and/or make sure that priests now are accountable. That was my understanding once it blew up, but again I really don't know and someone that knows more about it can update you.

      This is one of the many reasons I am not a denominational worshipper, I don't give a crap about denominations, I only care about Christ and those that do, would not stand for this evil.

      • I never said it was people following Christ when they molest kids, or cover up for the molesters. I specifically said the Catholic Church. And I stand by that.

        • Okay... however I did not mention the CC, you mentioned it in response to the statement I made about "bad 'Christians'", so I do also stand by my statement. So we are both good. :-)

    • RockingHorseGuy:"other than the Catholic church, which moves them to another area and covers it up."

      Often true in the recent past but not always. I guess I have problems with that statement as a blanket statement. And don't think a lot of abuse hasn't been covered up in Christian denominations outside of Catholicism and in non-Christian religions. I still say that for every crime committed by a Catholic priest which is covered up there are ten abuse crimes committed by public school teachers covered up.

      • I'm pretty sure you're right on with those ratios MD. Even when I was in high school back in the 70's, there were incidents of teachers and students "kanoodling". In my school we caught the girls gym teacher in a "compromising position" in the lecture hall with one of her students. The whole incident was covered up and nobody was even reprimanded.

  • Christians are told by Christ to spread the Good News, Gospel of Jesus Christ. If it is refused we are told to move on, shake the dust from your feet (Matthew 10:14). We are not to force it but present it. If accepted we are to make them disciples of Christ, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything He has commanded us.

    After Jesus Christ's death on the cross, he was buried and resurrected on the third day. Before he ascended into heaven, he appeared to his disciples in Galilee and gave them these instructions:

    Matthew 28:18-20
    Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

    This section of Scripture is known as the Great Commission. As the last recorded personal directive of the Savior to his disciples, it holds great significance to all followers of Christ. It is the foundation for evangelism. Because the Lord's instructions were to go to all nations and that he would be with us until the very end of the age, Christians of all generations have embraced this command. As many have said, it's not "The Great Suggestion." No, the Lord has commanded us to put our faith in action.

    For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16

    • But nowhere does Jesus say to force belief in him. It has to be a love freely given, not required or forced. And in return, the person receives Grace, also freely given, no the result of earning it but just given by GOD.

    • That is what I am talking about. We would not be true representatives if we go kidnapping little girls and boys forcing them to marry and then imposing Christ upon them and taking them away from family and communities. It is insanity for anyone to make moral equivalency here. A person can call themselves a Christian all day long, do what these Muslim men do, but they cannot expect anyone outside of their sick communities to accept it and protect it and most definitely the laws of the land (which like it or not are based on the cornerstone of Judeo-Christianity principles and laws), do not protect such actions by ANYONE. That is the point to be made here. Sharia envelopes protections over the aggressors and affords no true freedoms to non-muslims. NO law in this country nor in Christianity does that. Quite the opposite, it asks to punish and stop aggressors and award great protections over victims, innocents and all who are NOT part of the faith (or come from another country vis a vis laws in this country part).

      There are bad "christians"? Sure... and they are duly punished and eradicated from the Church as they remain unrepentant. Sharia does not do that to rapists of little girls who come from "apostate" families. Sharia welcomes and protects them. The difference is right there, anyone who cannot see that is a fool.

  • The real moral of this story is I don't tell anyone else what to worship or not, as the case may be, nor do I want to. I wish all religions and/or atheists had this policy. It's like you do your own thing and I'll do my own thing and lets live peacefully. Sadly, that will probably never happen because some religions just aren't peaceful.

  • Please show me the examples of true Christian people raping and murdering people in the past 100 years.
    *********************
    Kimmy, don't even try to palm off that BS here. You know as well as I do that ALL religions, including (gasp!) Christianity, are subject to potential abuse by corrupt or insane leaders/practitioners. In no way does that mean that the religion itself is corrupt or evil----just that religion is a very powerful weapon in the hands of an unscrupulous political leader.

    Your attempt to give all Christians a free pass on bad behavior, by decreeing that this one or that on isn't a "real" Christian, is both dishonest and high-handed. It's also a rather unpleasant effort to stereotype Muslims, by assuming that ALL agree with the antics of the very worst extremists. That kind of ploy can be very effective on far righters, who are often programmed to see ONLY stereotypes, but I think you'll find that thinking people don't fall for it.

    • Glad to see y'all chime in here miss high britches...give me one last time to tell you what a dang moron you are. You go on now and keep them blinders on miss lampoonia - keep spoutin your rhetoric and your talkin points......squish yourself in that little toy you call a car and drive off into the sunset of libral bliss.

      Y'all got nothin "cept for the same dang thing over and over again...don't matter the topic, you got the same old tired bullshit every time. You remind me of them old washwomen what say the same shit every day for years on end and ain't nobody listenin.

      I used to get a real kick outta pokin at you - to see what you'd say...but it's always the same. Y'all ain't got no imagination, no creativity, nothin new to add to any discussion.

      You are boring miss Olivia and not worth any more of my time.

      So, Here's to ya, miss britches!

    • olivia you ignorant bag lady, copy and paste this then answer it after you've consulted with the aclu and muzzie communist society you belong to.Your so protective of the scum muzzie that it is an insult to your sensitivities when I call them muzzies, I believe you think I may be leaving poor muzzie families in tears because of it. Ok now to my question for you. I've been called homophobic by you even though you call conservatives "teabaggers" which actually is what your gay fellow liberals practice.Your supportive of gays and I'm sure radical womens rights groups like code pink, and yet you defend islam, which opposes homosexuality and even executes them and is oppresive to women. Explain that to the crowd.

    • You are such coward Olivia. You probably knew that your post would be hidden and I may not find it and read it. You SHOULD have replied to MY post directly if your REALLY wanted me to read and respond to it, but I did find it hag...

      "Kimmy, don’t even try to palm off that BS here. You know as well as I do that ALL religions, including (gasp!) Christianity, are subject to potential abuse by corrupt or insane leaders/practitioners."

      You can call me KimmyQueen only my friends call me Kimmy.

      It is not BS. It is a fair point that you FAILED to provide documentation on. All religions CAN be corrupted and blah blah blah fool... but that WAS NOT THE POINT of the question and you know it. Your own response gives me the reason. The corruption and abuses IN THE NAME of Christianity are done by corrupt, abusive, insane and evil people. NOT by true abiding Christian people. You are a fool.

      What Christian who truly follows the tenets of Christ in words and deed ACTUALLY wakes up, kidnaps a girl, rapes her and forces to marry her and forces Christ upon her? None. Why? because Christ's words and deeds are completely opposite to that. That is what I wanted YOU TO FIND. You won't because it is completely impossible for a true Christian to do that. However, if you are trying to say that the men that do this are insane... fine, but the truth of the matter and that you cannot refute unless YOU ARE INSANE, is that their religion accepts and protects their actions! Their leadership who are not all inane, accepts and protects their actions.

      The RELIGION protects and aids and accepts these actions Olivia that is the reason these men are not incarcerated nor punished for the rape and kidnapping of a human being. Your Islam apologetics are misguided Olivia.

      "In no way does that mean that the religion itself is corrupt or evil—-just that religion is a very powerful weapon in the hands of an unscrupulous political leader."

      Olivia this is the reason why I call you a fool. An unscrupulous political leader uses Islam as a powerful weapon, because Islamic tenets provide him with the ammunition. That is how he is able to stay in power for 30-40-50 years. An unscrupulous leader who wants to use Christian will soon falter and Christians galore will pull him or her down and circumstances in his or her life will prove that he or she is not a real Christian. He or she will not have support of true Christian people, once his or her real motives are found out, when they are obviously in opposition to the Christian tenets. That is the reason why Luther and others went through the Reformation movement to end the DENOMINATIONAL abuses of the Catholic Church leaders, to go BACK to the tenets of Christ and not to use man-made tenets instead. You know nothing Olivia because you cannot distinguish between the two things. Islamic tenets are based on control of the body and minds of people through violence and war if they cannot through peaceful means attract believers, Christianity was nor formulated to work that way, hence why when people try to use it in other ways it ALWAYS fails.

      "Your attempt to give all Christians a free pass on bad behavior, by decreeing that this one or that on isn’t a “real” Christian, is both dishonest and high-handed."

      You are an idiot. Christians are sinners just like everyone else. However, you are saying that a real Christian will wake up one morning kidnap a girl, rape her and force marry her and FULLY EXPECT other Christians to be okay with that?! Are you insane Olivia? Do you really think that a man can do what this man did to this girl and walk into a Christ Centered Church on Sunday morning, and say "meet my 12 year old new wife, whom the pastor here forcefully married us this Wednesday, because I couldn't wait to rape her when I kidnapped her on Tuesday from her parents who are sitting right there, and although they are sad they cannot do anything about this because all laws of the land AND the church protect my actions."?

      Olivia COME ON!!!! You are insane if you think that this is possible! It isn't THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING and that is exactly the sort of situation that I want you to find for me.

      Oliva you are just so stupid that I cannot even believe that you are real. I think that you are having a laugh at us, and just here to help us keep our anti liberal exercises. You cannot be this stupid, Olivia I really want to believe that you are not.

    • Christians have settled down pretty nicely in the last century.. (nominal or not).. The task now is to get Muslims to do the same. Part of this involves stirring up those cowed by violence (such extremist violence would not otherwise be necessary, if those cowed didn't desire to oppose them by more civil means)

      How many millions within the Prophet's realm actually dream of apostasy, but are frozen by fear?

      • Have to say, I’m swimming with you on this one Alien – these folks have that fear pounded into their heads from the time they are babies. That fear is not a fear of “God” it is a fear of having their heads lopped off by another human – and a system of laws that not only condone it, but actively pursue it. Those that do stand up are swiftly and harshly dealt with- in public so that everyone sees what will occur should you speak out against Islam. However, I have to veer off a bit from you as I see no hope of any insurgence within the people of Islam.

        While reformation from within is a much stronger and valid approach, it is doubtful this will ever occur, as in their “wisdom” those who laid the laws of Islam have bestowed power to even the lowest of the ranks as evidenced in “honor killings”. The ability to murder without fear of repercussion as well as the “status” it gives the one who performs the act is quite the deterrent.

        This is a brilliant strategy as it absolves those who hold the seat of leadership from the actual act as well as building an army from within – an army that has no uniform, no base of operations and needs no lengthy regimented tactical training other than that provided by the teachings of the Koran. This army has been granted the power to eliminate the infidel – both within and without.

        • Its a basic tenet of the religion. There are directives in the Koran as to what constitutes a crime and what the punishment should be. They will never change, sine that would mean ditching the Koran. Does nobody remember that they were charged to create a Muslim globe, by vilence if necessary? That message has not changed since the inception of the "religion."

          • Exactly, in Christianity, we have our differences, we have our particular beliefs which cause us to shout from different mountain tops from time to time. But when an atrocity occurs in the name of Christianity we band together as one and admonish it.

            Biggest case in point: the abuse of children in the Catholic Church - once the light was shed on this particular abomination, all denominations banded together and and spoke and acted loudly against this. There was no "acceptance" there was no excuses...this was not something that was going to be swept under the rug any longer.

            And those who spoke out still have their heads, their livelyhood and their belief.

  • "And, third, you’re looking at the consequences of turning a nation into a theocracy or quasi-theocracy. This story is much more about Pakistan’s inability (or unwillingness) to take on large,politically powerful and corrupt factions, than it is about Muslim doctrine. And that is indeed a tragedy for citizens, since a law that is inconsistently enforced, or completely unenforced, isn’t really a law at all."

    Could not agree more. So why is this line of thinking breaking down here? Like it or not Sharia is insinuating itself in the US. The Chamberlain-like appeasement of this is very dangerous.

    • Could not agree more. So why is this line of thinking breaking down here? Like it or not Sharia is insinuating itself in the US.
      ********************
      Please post several DOCUMENTED examples of non-Muslims' individual rights and liberties being abrogated as a direct result of Sharia law in the U.S.

      Mind you, not hysterical Islamophobic Chicken Little diatribes, but actual examples, as documented by the legal community.

      • You are a fool. There is no (and there shouldn't be) Sharia Law in the US, you idiot. That is not the point, you are making no sense! You are an idiot. Fool.

        • One of the tenets of John's Law is that Dogs and other animals have more prestige than muslums and liberals.

      • This site posts examples of it almost daily. Go to any number of websites that document these occurrences. That you are that obtuse is not surprising but your mental disabilities continue to amaze.

        • These were all women or girls who were stepping away from the mussy bastards that were oppressing them and had become too westernized as American citizens. They were all in the U.S. They were all killed or threatened under the tenets of sharia. So whatever troll asked for notwithstanding, these are appropriate examples. If YOU'D care to do her homework for her, please do so. I have read dozens of examples that would qualify.

          • I'm not sure if you are addressing me, as you've linked up to your own node. I think there's an issue of semantics here. When Olivia and I ask for examples of Sharia Law in this country, we are talking about statute. When KQ essentially agrees there's no actual Sharia Law , she is also talking about statute. You and Sidekick appear to be posting examples of Sharia threat, manifested in criminal behavior, motivated by belief in foreign & unconstitutional religious law.

            KQ also adds that the statutory reality is not the whole point--that the threat exists nonetheless, even to non-muslims. The question of whether Sharia is in statute or not is moot, to a point.

            I contend that we are dealing with that threat just fine, through calm application of existing institutions. You might forgive the semantic misfires, though. I am attempting to properly model people's position on the matter

          • Alien, do you think Sharia needs statute? May I suggest you make a quick visit to Dearborn, Michigan? Sharia is not enshrined in law, but it is prevalent.

            Oh, and, while you're there, try taking photos or video of the burka babes. That ought to land you in the local ER in a blink of an eye. You see, you're NOT ALLOWED to take photos of them even though they are in a public place. Is that the law? Nope. But it's Sharia, darling.

          • Well, Canada may have screwed up a bit, and the U.K. even more. I don't see the U.S. even getting close

            I don't think "statute" is completely irrelevant. Ideally that's what extremists would like for the whole planet. "You want your Statute [throws the Koran..]. There you go, no other Law applies."

            I fear another enemy would take the U.S. down before their backwards civilization EVER manages it. Their best options now are to bleed us through endless conflict, or to slip a nuke in (and if that comes to pass, all bets would be off on Mecca and they know it)

          • Statutes are generally written by representatives. We now have the first Muslim in COngresss. Do you think they are not running for local offices and positions? That they will never try to pass a law that is consistent with Sharia? And what about all the legal battles? They set precednet that end up being followed even if they are not in written statute.

          • Muslims don't respect any law other than Sharia. Other laws are made and enforced by infidel, and we know exactly how much respect Muslims have for infidel. Yes, they take baby steps. Now.

          • Yes, they take baby steps. Now.

            No they're not, they're just keeping up appearances to make us think they're starting to assimilate. Once they are completely accepted, watch what happens, it won't be pretty.

            Remember the Trojan Horse?

          • I think that after 9/11 there was such a desire to NOT appear racists and haters that we went the entire different way in the treatment of Muslims. In order to prove that we are not racists, people then decided to allow them space for them to be them and lessen our own ways. That was a big mistake as bad or worst than putting them in concentration camps like the US government did to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor. I understand the idea of not repeating mistakes of the past (as the Japanese encampments were indeed a huge and horrible mistake), however kissing ass and licking their boots was not the answer either.

        • forgive my interceding, but this, I think, is not what she asked for.

          Those f*ckers got what they deserved (at least the 2 who already committed their crimes.. the other's guy's daughter was wise to flee, probably). They got it because of the application of state law, I'm assuming.

          Olivia may not ask so nicely, but y'all are on high alert with each other all the time, so I'll try. Where in the U.S. might I, or one of my non-muslim peers, suffer a loss of liberties at the behest of Sharia LAW, formalized in statute, and enforced by some municipality or government institution?

          The best I can find are cops preventing the handing out of Christian leaflets at a Muslim gathering in Dearborn, MI. Again, this doesn't seem like a formal enforcement of law, but more like cops trying to prevent a bloody riot.

          The problem i see with Sharia law being applied in the U.S. is that its simply Unconstitutional at its core. Look at the presumption of guilt, the fundamental treatment of evidence & witness testimony, its apostasy driven opposition to the Bill of Rights, and its barbaric code for meting out discipline. It would require military conquest and/or a Constitutional Amendment in order to install it in full force.

          I think we are left with civil cases where both parties may agree to arbitrate according Sharia law? Still, this doesn't give Daddy leave to chop his little girl's head off. It reminds me of the disclaimer preceding the People's Court on TV: "Both parties in the suit have agreed to dismiss their court cases and have their disputes settled here, in our forum...." No one can compel you into that arrangement, and that'd make a great show

      • You're a real piece of work. You just bitched at Kimmie when asked "Please show me the examples of true Christian people raping and murdering people in the past 100 years." Then you demand documented examples. What a retard. If they had a Nobel Prize for stupid, you'd get it Oblivia.

          • She wants to make the point that non muslims have not suffered from sharia law in the US. That is a fool's point, because it isn't a point and it has nothing to do the central story either. We DON'T want Sharia in the US so it WON'T affect non muslims. That is the point of not having Shariah here at all. The REAL point here is that shariah law is detrimental to muslims and non-muslims where sharia IS implemented. She is such a fool.

          • She is responding to Sidekick: "Like it or not Sharia is insinuating itself in the US. The Chamberlain-like appeasement of this is very dangerous."

            which runs counter to your statement to her: "There is no (and there shouldn’t be) Sharia Law in the US, you idiot."

            Unlike the UK, it seems to me that we've got it taken care of.. Full implementation of sharia here wouldn't even get past state supreme courts

          • Ahh but there are cracks. Muslims get priveleges based upon their practice of "religious freedom" that are not made avaiable to pracitioners of other religions and denominations. They have altered the prison food plans of an entire state, demanded extra facilities for foot washing, handwashing and prayer. Received assorted breaks and days off for religious practice, and in one case, they are asking for some alternate lunchbreak arrangments for Ramadan. The woman at Disney world who made an unreasonable demand about wearing a headscarf. The Mullah in Houston that bought property near a pig farm then wanted the pig farm moved. Right now these are a case here, and a case there. They are legal balloons to see how far they can go. And in areas where they are a voting majority (not necessarily a numerical majority) they can vote in bits and peices of Sharia law. Anyone who can't see this is either selectively blind or outright stupid.

          • Full implementation might not make it past the courts, but Islam will be satisfied with just little bits here and there. For now.

          • Agreed, and they'd be silly to do so. Relying on the accomplishments of jailed fathers is a poor strategy

            In terms of existential threat, I rank spotty attempts to enforce Sharia here fairly low against other things like: Unstable Nuclear Terrorist Pakistan & Neomercantilist China

          • There may be other more pressing concerns, but that doesn't mean attempts to turn the world Islamic should be ignored.

          • :-/

            There is no sharia law and there shouldn't be in the US.
            For it to be "insinuating" itself, doesnt counter nor reject what I stated. They can insinuate themselves all they want, but the truth of the matter is that the people in this land are not going to allow sharia to be the land of the land.

            My post to Sunny was to complement the sites. That Olivia's point is a non-point because Shariah is not the law of this land. The only issue here is that what we can find are people using Sharia outside of the laws of the land and there are many examples of that. It seemed to me that Olivia wanted to make a point that US citizens are not affected by Sharia, which is in essence true because Sharia is not the law of the land, but that is not the point. Cases of those using Sharia outside of our laws do exist and they do affect non-muslims as well.

  • Hey olivia and daughter karina, where are you? Come on show your pallid muzzie loving selves and explaine why this is just another misunderstanding.

    • I didn't say it was "just another misunderstanding," John. Kindly keep your ignorant assumptions and talk radio buzzwords out of my mouth, okay?

      First, if you read the AHRCs original statement on this issue, you'd know that these wereviolent EXTREMISTS. Trying to generalize about one of the world's major religions, based on blatant abuse perpetrated by extremists, is no more honest than trying to demonize Christianity on the grounds that some Christians have raped and murdered.

      Second, if you had a working synapse in your cranium, you'd realize that NOWHERE did the article suggest that Islam leaders throughout the world approve of such practices, or encourage their followers to follow such practices.

      And, third, you're looking at the consequences of turning a nation into a theocracy or quasi-theocracy. This story is much more about Pakistan's inability (or unwillingness) to take on large,politically powerful and corrupt factions, than it is about Muslim doctrine. And that is indeed a tragedy for citizens, since a law that is inconsistently enforced, or completely unenforced, isn't really a law at all.

      But, as usual, the far right is putty in the hands of the propaganda rags. No thinking necessary; few or no facts necessary; no logic necessary; just a lot of hatred and prejudice and ignorance that can be unleashed on cue, after which everyone can high five everyone else and pretend to be politically savvy.

      • And here we go again. No one is objecting olivia. That is called sinning by omission. These stories just keep popping up in all areas of the globe. They are always muslims and you are alswys trying to say most muslims don't approve. Well a hell of a lot must, because IT IS STILL GOING ON!!!!! Never an apology, never an explanation, never a censure to those committing these heinous crimes. Wake UP!!!!!!

      • To be perfectly fair, Olivia does have a good point. There are two kinds of Muslims: Those who play nice with others, and those who don't. This is a clear example of those who don't play nice with others, and they need to be sent to principle's office (or in this case, the wrong end of a SEAL team).

        With that said, the radio of nice-playing/non-nice-playing is probably far lower than is healthy.

        • The point is though that she can bring that point to Kingdom come, but that doesn't mean anything in the end. The LAWS of the land is Islam/Shariah WHICH PROTECTS the rapists and affords no rights nor freedoms to the girl (and others like her). That is the point. The nice and moderate muslims either do not live there, OR they are quiet or they are in hiding or they are dead. You need numbers and resolution to make effective change so either they dont have the numbers or they dont have the resolution or both. Again though the point that not ALL muslims are like this is moot, it is a given and it doesn't explain away the fact that the laws of the land are protecting the men who do this and that it is continually being done everyday and sadly not just to Christians but to anyone who they deem to have sidestepped the religion and overall even if they didn't, but they are victims of someone else they are still charged and accused and victimized further. It is sick.

        • Fine. The problem is those Muslims who play nice seem to be cowed by those who don't. They are losing the PR battle and allowing their religion to be hijacked by a minority because they simply won't or can't speak out.

          • Sidekick how are you boy? * I call all nice/good/gentle men of my acquaintance, boy so I mean no disrespect, it is a term of endearment, just wanted to let you know in case you don't like being call boy :-D*

            Now as to your comment I agree just one thing: From the perspective of true Islam it is the moderates that are hijacking the religion. It is Christians who talk about Christ and salvation that are hijacking the religion. It is the West and Capitalism and Republicanism and Democracy that are hijacking the religion and hence why Islam fights against those things.

            Allow me to defer to FormerlyDeanH here, unless I am proven otherwise, Muslims are really divided among those that attain to all the religion tenets either by word and/or deed and those that do not want to attain by deed but do nothing in word to destroy the destructive parts of their religion.

            Overall, I do not believe that "extremists" are in the minority nor can they in essence be called that. I believe that Muslims who perform the violent acts are perhaps "minority" within those that accept that the religion as is, as fine and appropriate just choose not to perform the violent acts themselves, AND say nothing against those that do perform the acts. It is to me, kind of like missionaries, I agree with their work and their ways, but I cannot be one and in my case I do speak highly of their actions, but I could say nothing either but still agree that their behavior is appropriate vis a vis my Faith. Don't know if that makes sense. I cannot perform full time missionary acts, but those are part of the tenets of Christianity, they are in essence (and sadly) the minority within the tenet abiding Christians. I can or cannot speak in their defense for their acts, but I do nothing in deed to stop them either way. Am I saying that the violent muslims are kind of like the missionaries of the Islamic faith? Yes I am actually saying that. That IS how Momo got the faith into these countries in the first place. The missionary work was not through peaceful means but through WAR and that is part of their Koran.

            Those who are "moderate" are the REAL minority as per Islam is concerned. They don't have the numbers even if they have the resolution to make changes in their religion.

          • Well, the "my boy" thing did remind me of another poster here. ;)

            I agree. Let me add one thought: 49% is a minority. I don't know the actual split between those that slit throats versus those who don't. Even more concerning is that I don't know the split between those that would like to slit a throat versus those who would never consider it.

            Dean and Poppa can tell you that Tampa and Orlando have been targeted for Muslim colonization. The two cities are not
            Dearborn yet but their numbers grow everyday. My son tells me that the Arab girls he attends school with are fine and seem to try to assimilate. Other than the one on his wrestling team, he and his friends avoid the Arab boys and vice versa.

            That cohort is the one to watch in the future as its loyalties will be split between the faith and being Western (American). Tough to be both by my observation.

          • "Even more concerning is that I don’t know the split between those that would like to slit a throat versus those who would never consider it."

            Exactly. Who feels they are not being true Muslims by not abiding by all tenets? What if one day they snap? What if one day something bad happens and they think that they need to spring some jihad all up in their neighborhood? That is indeed concerning and a problem in my estimation. Thankfully, as a Christian I don't have that problem. If something bad happens I have to deal with it and not just go crazy and out of control and kill people. A Muslim man or woman can sadly go through a bad experience and feel that their religion justifies their anger and lashing out, whereas my own does not give me that justification at all. Hence why I feel more at ease in the middle of a congregation of Christians that I do in the company of Muslims. Like Juan Williams stated, I do get nervous because I know that their religion is a perfect conduit for any anger that they may feel against anyone or anything. However, that doesn't make me hate them nor biased, it is just a statement of fact.

          • Indeed they are. The problem is that there's no central governing body for Islam (example: Catholics have the pope) that can formally denounce the bad ones. One guy standing on a corner isn't going to gain media attention.

            I could be totally wrong on this. It could be every Muslim is secretly evil, but I'd like to think that at majority of them are good/tolerant.

            I also have a huge problem with the extreme protective measures that the US government is imposing on Muslims. As long as we don't impose Shaira Law (or any part of), we should be able to get along. However, the federal government is making it FAR too easy for the implementation of Shira Law.

          • A lot of religions and denominations have no centralgoverning body. They still aren't murdering raping, assaulting people for their belief or lack thereof.

          • "The problem is that there’s no central governing body for Islam (example: Catholics have the pope) that can formally denounce the bad ones."

            Actually, Protestants don't have a Pope either and we are doing just fine in the not raping and murdering people thing en masse situation. That is not it. Overall they have Momo as central focus of their religion and their Allah and hence they abide by Momo and Allah's tenets (Koran).

            Christians (Catholics and Protestants) have our "central governing body" (as it were) in Christ and the New Testament is our actual in hand guide. We don't need to have priests nor pastors telling us not to do bad things if we read what Christ said and imitate Him (although of course priests and pastors are part of the plan to REMIND us to read our Bibles and imitate Christ). Any leader who goes against what Christ the King has done and said is in essence a false Christian leader. The Word is enough to denounce any so called Christians and "Christians organizations" that act like fools and do acts of evil. The point being that Momo, Allah and the Koran do not denounce them and hence their actions are perfectly aligned so ANY leader within the religion can't decry what they are doing unless they are "moderate".

            "... but I’d like to think that at majority of them are good/tolerant."

            I would like to think that as well. What I do think is that most of them cannot stomach to do the violent acts themselves which is okay. What I don't like is their silence.

      • Well, what do you know! Olivia poked her head out from the ostrich hole just long enough to tell us how misguided we are in our estimation of the religion of pieces!
        At least she's consistant!

        • She is still to defend the wanton killing of OTHER people's dogs and possible strays... Perhaps she has a Fido and can't see herself defending that atrocity. However, I have always known that Olivia hates children so it doesn't surprise me that she is coming in here.

      • Answer one question Ollie. If Islam is a religion of peace then why are we not hearing Islamic leaders all over the world spouting their rage over the abuse of this child?

        Answer another question Ollie. Would you have like to have been taken from your family and raped when you were 12 years old?

        Answer the third and final question Ollie. What makes you think the Pakistani government cares what happened to this child? The leaders of that shithole country are Muslims you dim bulb! Don't you get it? They don't care!

        • That’s easy, Whiskey—-because you watch and listen only to right wing propaganda, that tells you what you want to hear. And they have a vested interest in keeping you filled with fear and hate.

          HMMM, how about you providing us with a link to someone within Islam that does express outrage about this?
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          Where are you getting the idea that I approved of the way this girl was allegedly treated?

          Simple, you call the attack alleged! You can't even acknowlege the incident even took place, much less express outrage over it!
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          It’s as dishonest for you to assume that all Pakistani Muslims have cookie cutter reactions to this story, as it would be for some person in Pakistan to assume that my views were identical to yours (perish the thought!), just because we’re both U.S. citizens.

          You're the one being dishonest my bitch! He clearly was talking about the Pakistani government, not the citizenry as a whole!
          "What makes you think the Pakistani government cares what happened to this child?"

        • Answer one question Ollie. If Islam is a religion of peace then why are we not hearing Islamic leaders all over the world spouting their rage over the abuse of this child?
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          That's easy, Whiskey----because you watch and listen only to right wing propaganda, that tells you what you want to hear. And they have a vested interest in keeping you filled with fear and hate.
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          Answer another question Ollie. Would you have like to have been taken from your family and raped when you were 12 years old?
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          Of course not. Where are you getting the idea that I approved of the way this girl was allegedly treated? Indulging in a bit of wishful thinking, instead of actually reading what I posted?
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          Answer the third and final question Ollie. What makes you think the Pakistani government cares what happened to this child? The leaders of that shithole country are Muslims you dim bulb! Don’t you get it? They don’t care!
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          You're spouting mindless stereotypes again, my boy, and you know I don't fall for that. It's as dishonest for you to assume that all Pakistani Muslims have cookie cutter reactions to this story, as it would be for some person in Pakistan to assume that my views were identical to yours (perish the thought!), just because we're both U.S. citizens.

          And, yes, if the story (as detailed by the AHRC) is accurate, it doesn't speak well for the Pakistani government or its honesty. Now, suppose you explain to me why that surprises you, or why you're trying to turn it into a political football here. Is there anyone currently reading this post who DOESN'T believe there's corruption in the Pakistani government?

          Doesn't mean the Muslim religion itself is corrupt----just that (boy, I get tired of reiterating this) a dishonest government is abusing religion to further their own ends.

          • "Of course not. Where are you getting the idea that I approved of the way this girl was allegedly treated? Indulging in a bit of wishful thinking, instead of actually reading what I posted?" Check out this lawyer speak from this muzzie mouth piece,alleged my ass you fkin ass.

          • (boy, I get tired of reiterating this) Yea, you are tiring. Your friends at the aclu and the muslum wing of the communist party must really get you pumped up at meetings.

          • "That’s easy, Whiskey—-because you watch and listen only to right wing propaganda, that tells you what you want to hear."

            I Binged *christian girl kidnapped and raped pakistan* and came up with over one million hits, but strangely they don't seem to include anything about outraged Muslims decrying this vicious act, even after I included "outrage" in the search.

            Could you point me in the right direction please, Oblivia. Obviously it is in a left-wing publication somewhere .... oh wait! I haven't tried Al-Jazeera yet. Please hold ...

          • Thank you for holding.

            After several attempts with Al-Jazeera, including *christian girl kidnapped and raped pakistan* and various permutations, I finally got lucky with *12-year-old raped pakistan".

            Of course none of the FOUR (4) hits were about this case. In fact, the first hit was "US marine charged over Japan rape" from Jan 15, 2011.

            The second hit was about the same story.

            Hit number three was about an Iranian woman who was released from prison to attend her father's funeral (wow, they DO have a heart!)

            Hit number four, dated Jan 7, 2005, about another massacre in Congo.

            Where did I go wrong, Oblivia? I went the most left-leaning source I could think of and there was nothing. Nada. You don't suppose they might be, I don't know, not covering this story? Could it be?

          • don't use Al-Jazeera's search..
            the Google that would be a god knows more

            try googling something like "site:aljazeera.net pakistani christian girl raped" (the key is the site: portion to get Google to focus)

            Hmmph.. Maybe you did something like that.. I can't find #$*() yet either on that specific story..

            otherwise...

            This opinion piece here ( http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/2011751254689887.html ) leads me to here http://www.facebook.com/YWC.af?sk=wall which strikes me as relatively brave...

            This piece here decries the Pakistani Supreme Court in a high profile rape acquittal: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/04/201142110545244100.html

            It is not all easy reading.. There are also numerous articles involving U.S. soldiers raping in Afghanistan and Iraq. I would hope they don't paint all us soldiers with the same brush

            The voices of muslims who oppose fanaticism are drowned in the din, their ranks are weak, and we should not forget them

            Maybe we should write some authorities (re: Miss Anna) as suggested here: http://www.humanrights.asia/news/urgent-appeals/AHRC-UAC-199-2011

            poor girls..

          • Any and all American soldiers that do that need to be punished, but once again nothing in our laws find this behavior okay nor acceptable nor PROTECTED. Everything in their laws protects the rapists and do not protect the girls (and to tell the truth it is not just Christian girls that this happens to either).

            I pray for these girls and I know that this is horrible, but I have to believe that they can be a conduit for change IF and only IF these "moderate" muslims win their case and so far it seems they are not.

          • I would love to see U.S. troops escorting girls to school in Afghanistan, to protect them from the acid throwers.. This would be a noble example

          • Alien, do you truly believe those cowards would attempt to harm girls if U.S troops were around?

            Maybe we need to arm the girls - nothing like a sidearm to keep you warm and protected on your way to school.

            My Mom was part of the evaluation of Polish schoolchildren during WWII. Mom's school went to Lebanon. My Grandmother gave her a pair of brass knuckles for the journey. Apparently the Soviet troops who were escorting them didn't need more than one or two lessons on keeping their hands off the girls.

          • Soldiers have built schools, hospitals and other community important buildings and infrastructure. The reason these wars is expensive is that within a year or less those are bombed and the town intimidated into not rebuilding. So have to go back there again and doing everything from scratch. They are doing good work over there, the bad apples are in essence bad apples that are, once again, duly punished and getting rid of accordingly. The military will not protect such scum. For muslims to find moral equivalency in their actions and the actions of sharia abiding citizens is disgusting.

          • Now Barb, did you really expect her employers at Al-Jazeera to acknowlege this incident? There is no anti-American hook to the story.

          • Exactly. Unless they can say that this was due to American or Jewish influence this is not a problem. Like I said the religion offers no protection for the Christian girl and all protections for the rapists.

      • Wow you really put me in my place, and now I've seen the light as provided by you, islam really is the religion of peace. Ignorant hag.

      • Please show me the examples of true Christian people raping and murdering people in the past 100 years. Make it easy the past year. Then we can have a conversation about moral equivalence. By true Christians I mean those that by words & deeds have attain to the Gospel of Christ.

        The girl was persecuted, hunted, kidnapped, abused and raped in the name of their religion which SANCTIONS it. Their religion does not offer her ANY protection whatsoever. She is now forced to worship a god that she did not intend to worship BEFORE she was kidnapped and raped. What true Christian who in word and deed follows the Gospel of Christ actually does that? and how will this "Christian" defend his actions based ON the actual Gospel of Christ? These muslims "extremists" can and do place a finger on their Koran and other sanctioned religious scriptures and show that due to their religion they can do this and it is acceptable to their god. No true Christian person can do that, no Jewish person can do that. These may be extremists to you, but they are actually stepping into the correct methodology of their religion, hence why there are some that seek to "moderate" it.

        As usual you are an idiot. Muslims leaders have yet condemn these practices and the few "moderate" people that speak out against this are few and far in between.

        These laws are also part of Iran and Egypt and other countries, these laws are enforced everywhere where Shariah is law. If the Christians and Jews in this country asked for the US to become a theocracy with Christ as King and pastors and priests of denominations as senators and lawmakers you will have a problem with it.

        Your idiocy is astounded.

        • I think the really telling thing is that these Islamic idiots actually believe that you can "force" someone to worship any particular diety. Yes, you may be able to force them to say they love Mohammed, but can you actually go inside their brain and make it really happen?

          • That is the reason why Christ does not ask Christians to "force" anyone to believe, just to tell people about Himself. He will take care of the rest if the person is willing. You are right, they want the OUTSIDE worship of their god, but they cannot control the thoughts of the person no matter how much they want to. The arrogance involved in forcing people to worship allah is astounding.

      • Post from another site were a muslim from a islamic country tells the truth about islam.....

        Posted by Belieber on Wednesday, Oct 12, 2011 11:14 PM (EDT):
        come to my country where so called peaceful and smiling islam people live. Only small percentage of them tweeting and rally to condemn when pastors were stabbed, the big majority just didn’t and don’t care.
        The big majority and goverment are silent when legal Churches are burnt and closed. They all were silent when the gov picked three innocent Christians (Tibo and friends http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabianus_Tibo) and executed them, though one high official police (a good muslim one, Gen. Oegroseno) avow those men were innocent.

        I suggest you to read the whole Quran and hadiths, not by your Catholic mind, but from their perspective guided by an ulama.
        When you are in my country or in any other islam countries:
        Go tell a joke about Jesus, you will be still alive, and people will have good laugh.
        Go tell a joke about God, people will just call you an atheist.
        Go tell a joke about Muhammad pbuh, your life is in danger.

        Before you call muslim people in my country is not the true muslim,I have to inform you that most western countries invite representative from my country to teach them about the peaceful Islam!!
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        "Trying to generalize about one of the world’s major religions, based on blatant abuse perpetrated by extremists, is no more honest than trying to demonize Christianity on the grounds that some Christians have raped and murdered."

        As a Christian, I along with the majority of Christians, I am sure, would condemn, fervently, preferential treatment in the courts to any Christians that have raped and murdered.

      • I'm curious how you think John got in your mouth. Never mind, it's irrelevant, as usual.
        I do agree with your statement that islamic leaders support this blatant use and encourage their followers to rape and murder Christians. Shame that more lefties don't see that.
        There's hope you yet, Ollie.

        • I do agree with your statement that islamic leaders support this blatant use and encourage their followers to rape and murder Christians.
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          Let's see your evidence for making such a statement, GAP. (NOTE: Gossipy right wing "I'd be willing to bet" suppositions, hysterical denunciations by loons with screen names like "Allahpundit," and Rush Limbaugh transcripts don't count as evidence.) Got some official statements from Islamic leaders-----for example, how about some American ones?----applauding this incident, and calling for Muslims to keep doing this kind of thing?

          But, no, you don't have any evidence and you know it. All you have is prejudice, and lots and lots and lots of gullibility. And, for some very odd reason, you seem to have the idea that these two qualities make you look impressively politically savvy. ;)

          • Look everyone, it's Jihad Jane, our favorite Muslim supporter who now thinks this is all just a fantasy..hmmmm These are the same people who treat women as property, beat and rape are no problem in Muslim land, and she like Obungles is demanding Statements from Islamic leaders, you mean you want to hear it from the goats mouth? If you so enamored with Muslims, join the fantasy cult of killing non believers and worshiping the golden orb of self pleasure, just make sure you read the Koran for cleansing instructions before you and billy the goat do the nasty...Its a pity you don't stand up for women's rights as well as you do for Muslim rights. perhaps in your narrow yet self centered mind rituals like this are okay cause Muslim's are a religion of peace. Don't see to many others except maybe Voodoo where this kind of thing goes on, I can only speak for Lutherans but I know we usually don't gang rape baptists cause they don't agree with Lutherans....But maybe in whatever zipcode you hang out in that kind of thing goes on. Thanks for playing whack a liberal mole..you can go home and get on your flying carpet now.

          • NSS, I think we should all try to agree on a nickname for Olivia. While Jihad Jane is good, I personally like Al-Jazeera Olivia.
            Maybe the Editor or the Administrator could set up a poll here to ask everyone for their suggestions, of course we would have to observe decorum, so the options that question her parenthood, her promiscuity, or other similar references would have to be removed from the list. Then, once we have a decent list of options, they could hold a vote to choose the standard name to use. It would be much easier if we could all agree on a nickname, if for no other reason, than to make it easier to know who we are talking about. :-D

          • I find it funny that, truthfully, Rush Limbaugh's name is never mentioned here by anybody but My Dear Sweet Olivia.

          • She must secretly be in love with him I suppose... Bringing someone that has nothing to do with the story at hand is bizarre.

          • Hmm, you think Rush Limbah had a hand in these rapes? I don't see how you think he could influence anyone in the islamic world to do such a thing. And no, I don't believe you have any evidence to prove it either, why did you even bring up your own lack of evidence? Makes no sense to me. What does my political saavy or lack thereof have to do with supporting your view that islamic extremists don't understand enough English to listen to or act on instructions from the far right wing? You lost me again.

  • I'm pretty sure this is why we have smart bombs.

    Now we just need a guy in the White House that has a pair. And no, Michelle doesn't count.

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