Dont Let Them Fool You into Thinking Allah’s Laws are Backwards

Dont Let Them Fool You into Thinking Allah’s Laws are Backwards. No wonder muslims are so angry. Who would want more than one spouse at a time?

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  • Author: Sidekick
    Comment:
    http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2011/04/27/gasoline-taxes-vs-exxon-profit-per-gallon/

    http://jb-williams.com/4-25-06.htm

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/29/news/companies/big-oil-gas-price-response/index.htm

    Oil companies make anywhere from $.02 to $.07 per gallon of gasoline. However, they have lots of other income streams so their overall revenues are high. So are their risks and expenses.
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    But they're still realizing very decent profits.

    Meanwhile, the right is defending these companies, and blaming Obama for high gasoline prices. Apparently they think that taxing gasoline sales is some brand new phenomenon dreamed up by Obama, and that public highways and bridges magically build and maintain themselves.

    __UPDATE: FactCheck.org examined the claim that ExxonMobil earns just 7 cents on a gallon of gas and concluded that "the 7-cents-per-gallon figure grossly underestimates the industry's earnings. It includes only earnings from the sale of gasoline and not earnings on producing and selling crude oil. There are no independent figures on how much oil companies earn on a gallon of gasoline." FactCheck.org further wrote:

    We called ExxonMobil and asked how Cohen arrived at his figure. Spokeswoman Kristen Hellmer said it was determined by dividing ExxonMobil's "downstream earnings ($694 million) by the number of gallons of gasoline and other products refined and sold during the quarter in the U.S. (9,355 million gallons). The result is 7.4 cents per gallon." Downstream earnings are what the company earns from refining crude oil into gasoline and other petroleum products and then selling it. But that ignores "upstream earnings," which is how much Exxon earns in producing and selling crude oil. And the cost of oil exceeded $100 a barrel in the first quarter of 2011.

    Oil industry analyst [Tom] Kloza called the 7-cents-per-gallon figure "disingenuous," because it ignores high earnings from oil production. "Bringing crude oil to market has been incredibly profitable," Kloza said. "It is disingenuous to say in the downstream we are making only this much."

    ExxonMobil reported that its upstream earnings were $8.7 billion in the first quarter -- up $2.9 billion, or 49 percent, compared with a year ago. As of August 2010, it was the third largest oil refiner in the U.S.

  • Back to the subject at hand (thanks for blowing up the thread on something irrelevant to the story Olivia.) The woman in the tape sounds like an American Black. WSO why does she refer to the "west" like whe isn't part of it. THe only point she made (which was evne then partly erroneous) was that some Mormons are being allowed to practice polygyny, which is supposedly illegal in the US. WHY are we not prosecuting these people? The larger Mormon church gave up polygyny over a century ago, so its not really "religious belief" its just personal preference. And any other guy who tried to marry 3-4 women wouldbe in a legal world of trouble.

  • Author: poppajoe49
    Comment:
    If we were to drill aggressively we would have an effect on OUR oil prices. THAT'S what we're talking about.
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    Not really true. The price of crude oil is determined by world market prices, and the U.S. doesn't have big enough oil deposits to make much of a difference there. And, after all, that (as is typical with the far right) would only delay the inevitable. We need to focus on DEMANDING less fossil fuel, rather than just looking for quick and easy ways of getting bargains at the gas pump.

    • Not really true. The price of crude oil is determined by world market prices, and the U.S. doesn’t have big enough oil deposits to make much of a difference there.

      Wrong again! If the oil isn't placed on the world market, then the price would be determined by cost of acquisition and desired profit.
      Since we are trying to be energy independant, we would be like Chavez. He charges his people what it really costs to produce the oil, and sells the rest to others at market prices.
      The fewer middlemen, the lower the price. When it goes directly from producer to consumer, it costs less. Basic economics that elude you.

      • While the global market influences the prices, domestic refining and transportation, among other things, makes it profitable to sell here without additional costs associated with exportation, as long as the government allows it, of course.

        • While the global market influences the prices, domestic refining and transportation, among other things, makes it profitable to sell here without additional costs associated with exportation, as long as the government allows it, of course.
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          And you think the oil companies want to sell you gasoline at a bargain rate, at the expense of their own profit potential, because........?

          • Because they only make pennies on the gallon now. The government is the single biggest profiteer when it comes to fuel.
            If we do start producing enough of our own fuel to drive the price down, look for the government to raise fuel taxes.

          • http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2011/04/27/gasoline-taxes-vs-exxon-profit-per-gallon/

            http://jb-williams.com/4-25-06.htm

            http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/29/news/companies/big-oil-gas-price-response/index.htm

            Oil companies make anywhere from $.02 to $.07 per gallon of gasoline. However, they have lots of other income streams so their overall revenues are high. So are their risks and expenses.

            More domestic production should influence global spot prices because supply will be added without a correlating spike in demand. On the other hand, OPEC and other suppliers may roll back their production if we were to get to that 9 million barrels per day rate we had 40 years ago. That figure represents about 10% of global daily usage. A huge amount compared to the 4%-5% we now produce.

            The government is indeed the biggest profiteer of gasoline sales. The federal government alone takes $.184 per gallon. Tack on state and local taxes and it is likely that you are paying $.35 or more in additional taxes.

            Some argue that we only have 2.5% of the world's proven reserves. True but the potential for undiscovered oil is huge on and off shore and the new fracking technologies promise far more potential for new supply. Also 2.5% of a lot is a lot, if you take my meaning. The world is not going to run out of oil soon.

            http://www.eia.gov/oil_gas/natural_gas/data_publications/crude_oil_natural_gas_reserves/cr.html

            Natural gas has a much greater chance of being the "alternative" energy solution in the US. It is more than abundant, proven technologically, relatively cheap, and burns cleanly.

            The wind and solar industries are financial nonstarters in the real world or they could and would compete without government support.

          • Kick, you're preaching to the choir.
            But I would have attacked the thinkprogress link if I had gotten here sooner.
            Stupidity annoys me.
            Thanks for saving me time.

          • I was only commenting on your post, which I found interesting and decided to dig into the numbers a bit.

          • Yes, I researched this quite a while ago. At that time the government was getting about 53 cents a gallon in tax revenue and Exxon was making 8 cents. The retailers were making between 2 and 5 cents a gallon.
            Regardless of who you get the info from, the numbers are pretty much the same, unless a lying, leftard website like thinkprogress is telling the story, then you can count on some of the most outrageous lies ever told.

          • Because they only make pennies on the gallon now. The government is the single biggest profiteer when it comes to fuel.
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            No, it's the gas station owners, not oil companies, who make pennies on the gallon, Poopajoe.

            In fact, oil company profits are much greater today than they were a few years ago. What's more, oil companies are using their own profits to repurchase their own stock, thereby driving up profits still more. (Even if you don't agree with the editorial here, take a look at the graphs:
            http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/02/08/421061/big-oil-higher-prices-record-profits-less-oil/)

            It's very naive of you to suppose that oil companies are struggling along, and that it's Big Bad Obama who's driving up the price of gas. No multibillion dollar industry gets to BE a multibillion dollar industry by eschewing profit potential, in favor of being nice guys to consumers.

    • "We need to focus on DEMANDING less fossil fuel...

      Yes, and watch energy prices "necessarily skyrocket". Who said that?
      Was is Barack Obama?

      Yes, it was.

      • I dont understand why people are not doing that. Do not feed the troll. Do people want the troll around? Is this some kind of a necessity for a pet or something? The troll replies thumb down and move along, do not speak to it, do not try to instruct it, it is a troll. Come on folks!

          • It is a habit that I hope you can break soon. I have come to understand that instructing fools is not worthy of time. Once a troll has had a year to see the light and refuses to do so it is time to smoke the troll out and let the troll speak to itself.

  • If we were to drill aggressively we would have an effect on OUR oil prices. THAT'S what we're talking about.

    • If we were to drill aggressively we would have an effect on OUR oil prices. THAT’S what we’re talking about.
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      As I already pointed out, oil prices are determined by the global market. Oil companies, like any other business, want top dollar for their product, and they're not going to hand it out at bargain rates back home, just because people like you want to drive a gas guzzler without having to pay much to fill the tank.

    • A statement on the sad condition of the country and the depth to which the anti-freedom movement of the progressives that anyone would even have to say that. Imagine increases in workforce, their output and market supply from the US citizenry enjoying $1.50 gallon gasoline. Hell, the outrageous insurance rates wouldn't even matter too much anymore!

        • An uninsured illegal cost my insurance company nearly $3,000 dollars when he rammed the side of my truck with his car, nearly killing my girlfriend. What did the Highway Patrol do? Wrote him a ticket.

  • The argument that the global market dictates the price is misleading, since it never addresses how shipping costs add to the price of oil the US exports, as well as the enormous effect increasing the domestic supply would have. Increasing the supply would ‘necessarily’ reduce the price, and he cannot allow that!
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    Not really true. The U.S. supply of oil is less than 2% of the total world supply, so even if we were to drill aggressively, it wouldn't make much (if any) difference to the worldwide oil market.

  • Production has fallen to record lows
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    Could I see your source for that claim?
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    while US exports went up to new record levels, while many people don’t drive anywhere much at all anymore because the price of fuel is so high that travelling is limited to only absolute necessities. That’s just wrong.
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    First, that's not really true, at least in my area of the country. The roads are just about as congested as they always are, and I see as many gas guzzlers on the road as we saw ten years ago.

    And, second, no, that's not "wrong." There's no constitutional right to cheap gas, so, if the cost of gas becomes prohibitive, the responsible thing to do is come up with ways of reducing fuel consumption. You guys hooted at me for owning a Smartcar, but it's certainly one way of beating the higher costs of gasoline.

    I do think it's kind of amusing the way you complain that it's "just wrong" not to be able to afford gasoline....when you showed so little concern about poor Americans not being able to afford to commute long distances to a job. Which is it going to be----are high gasoline prices something that anyone who works hard enough ought to be able to overcome, or are they something that we should expect Nanny Government to fix, in order to save us some inconvenience? You can't have it both ways.

      • But we can't see her double chins and large girth beneath the latest in Muslim lingerie...Perhaps Micheal should try a body bag....

        • But we can’t see her double chins and large girth beneath the latest in Muslim lingerie…Perhaps Micheal should try a body bag….
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          Obviously you feel quite threatened by Moore, that you should be entertaining fantasies of his death.

          That's pretty sad.

          • The burka is frequently referred t by the perjorative "body bag." Interesting that the first thing that came to YOUR mind was a death threat.

          • The burka is frequently referred t by the perjorative “body bag.” Interesting that the first thing that came to YOUR mind was a death threat.
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            How odd. I've never heard of a burqa being referred to as a "body bag." It doesn't even look like a body bag. But, then again, I don't spend a lot of time around people who ridicule other people's religious and cultural traditions.

          • I won’t respond i won’t respond i won’t respond.. . .
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            Rose, if you don't choose to respond to my posts, then don't. I promise you it won't hurt my feelings a bit. But don't you think it's rather silly to take your marching orders from other posters, if they go against your own instincts?

          • Blah blah blah blah blah blah..this from the only certifiable nut case here...Yea I don't want Moore's Really FAT ass to sit on me by mistake....Your really trying aren't you Ollie? I bet you like FAT guys huh...That your fantasy Ollie? A really fat guy wheezing his way into your life? by the way..TURDS!!!

          • Blah blah blah blah blah blah..this from the only certifiable nut case here…Yea I don’t want Moore’s Really FAT ass to sit on me by mistake….Your really trying aren’t you Ollie? I bet you like FAT guys huh…That your fantasy Ollie? A really fat guy wheezing his way into your life? by the way..TURDS!!!
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            You know, Silent, if you're trying to prove that right wing extremists are smarter and more logical than liberals like me, you're not doing a very effective job of it.

            The above rant sounds like something a not-very-bright-or-secure seventh grader would say, in an effort to fit in with the cool kids. And in that situation, as this, it would backfire on him pretty badly.

  • Classic right wingnut response: fling a bunch of stupid stereotypes, insults and ignorant misconceptions instead of actually listening to what she's got to say.

    Why would you be afraid to listen to her? Some of you seemed to be scared silly of Islam....wouldn't it make more sense to LEARN something about your perceived enemy, rather than just making wild guesses? ;)

    • You seem to be an independent woman. How can you defend what this brainwashed slave has to say?

      Always Sunny In Hell said it best...
      "When she talks about how men should be allowed to marry more than one woman because so many women can’t find a good husband or a non-abusive relationship, she seems to neglect the fact that if Muslim laws weren’t so strict towards women she wouldn’t HAVE to find a good man…. She could go find a job, take care of her kids on her own or even (and I know this sounds crazy) but drive a car!!!"

      Couple of books written by women who have opened not only their eyes but those of many others...

      "A God Who Hates: The Courageous Woman Who Inflamed the Muslim World Speaks Out Against the Evils of Islam"
      Sultan, Wafa

      "Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America"
      Gabriel, Brigitte

      You should open yours too.

    • Ive spent a little time in a mosque because I am an Atheist but I like to inform myself of all religions. I was mostly interested in Islam right after 9/11 because I looked around and saw all this blind fear. (Around my house someone rammed a car into the mosque I actually visited to gain my knowledge.)

      What I saw when I went was a lot of acceptance because I was a man, and I can elaborate on that a little even... I was so impressed by the reception I received that I went to my fiance (Now wife) and asked her if she would like to come with me to learn a little about the religion. She was excited and a lil nervous but decided to come anyways. The reception she received was less than kind. She was not allowed to even talk to me once we entered the mosque (Because women were too sacred to be talked to be us dirty men, even though we were the ones talking about the philosophy of the whole religion) but even after that we continued to listen to what they had to say.
      This went on for a month or two (twice a week or so) until I was finally asked by the Imam if I would like to join the religion because I had learned enough to make my decision. I told him that I loved the people and the friends that I had made but I still wanted more time and information. From that day forward their attitude towards me completely changed. People who used to come over and talk to me about philosophy would look at me and walk the other way. Until I finally stopped going, I was upset honestly because I thought I had made so actual friends in that religion, but it turns out if I wasn't interested in being a Muslim, I wasn't interesting enough to waste any more time on :(

      • In truth there are a lot of churches that do the same, I have had that same experience, but thankfully not all churches are like that in fact those experiences have been very few and very far in between. It can be due to the denomination in question or else the regional location (and the people within as to their culture and their color of skin, etc.) of the church. With that said, have you gone to many other mosques in other cities, then pretty much had that same experience? That is something to definetly explore. I as a woman couldn't do it of course. Interestingly enough your fiancee WOULD HAVE no matter where (here, in other countries, in other states, it will not matter) the SAME EXACT experience that she had. That dude that went to a mosque for 30 days for a movie that he did or a show I think a few years ago he had a grand time, however he did because he had a camera crew with him and he went to just one mosque. I wonder if his experience would have been different if he was not there with a camera crew and was not famous. If I had money I would finance you to go to different mosques in different states and/or cities and see if your experience would be the same: after a time period if you decline acceptance and want to explore more would you be ignored... It would be fascinating.

        If that experience is the same everywhere, that tells me there is something about the religion in of itself that is intrinsically wrong. Like I said depending on many factors, you would not have that experience in all christian churches of any denomination. Even though in pockets you can of course have that experience, but if you are white going to "white churches" perhaps not, but if you go to "black churches" perhaps yes the same for "asian churches". I have been welcomed in some asian churches just fine and in others not so fine... I wonder how the experience would be for a black person in mosques as well... uhm... ahh if I had money I would have a good time financing this project indeed.

        • Yeah I have been to quite a few churches as well with the same such reaction,(Ever walked into a church and tell people you are an Atheist but looking for knowledge? Get a few weird looks :P) but I have never walked into any church and they told me I couldn't talk to my fiance or any of the other women around.. That was the most shocking part, but the way they sold it made sense. "In Islam women are too sacred to talk to in this holy place, because we men are dirty and we cannot have impure thoughts in a place of worship." Makes sense on the face of it, but that's a way to not make you realize they just wanted them out of the conversations. The women had their own conversations, but my wife told me it was philosophy for about 15 minutes then talking about raising their families for the rest of the time. Where as the men would talk about the finer points of the Qur'an for 1 sometimes 2 hours.

          • Getting weird looks is one thing, I have had worst. I don't really care about that, I care about the part where you tell them that you need more time and then they pretty much freeze you out. That is a study I would like to finance.

            That is of course a lame excuse for the women not talking to you and whatever. If it is your woman you should be able to talk to her. If it is another woman, what happened to self-control? What I heard is "we as muslim men think of sex all the time and have no self control." Weak.

          • That is of course a lame excuse for the women not talking to you and whatever. If it is your woman you should be able to talk to her. If it is another woman, what happened to self-control? What I heard is “we as muslim men think of sex all the time and have no self control.” Weak.
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            Do you also "hear" that Orthodox Jewish, Eastern Orthodox, Amish and Mennonite men "think of sex all the time and have no self control"? Because these religions and denominations also have a tradition of separating women from men.

            In conservative Amish and Mennonite churches, as well as more conservative Catholic and Episcopal churches, people aren't expected to chat with each other before or during the service. Not because they're cold or unfriendly, but because, in those denominations, members of the congregation are expected to show reverence to God when in His presence.

            Sounds to me as if you have a very narrow idea of how worship services should be conducted, and are rather judgmental toward those who don't do things the way you expect.

          • I have NEVER been in a Catholic or Episcopal church or for that matter any THER denomination.that did not encourage people to chat with one another. In fact , Episocpalians generally have a coffee hour after the service for just such chatting. To talk and visit DURING THE SERVICE is disrespectful to the Service itself, and to the people around you. Even then, small asides, or comments are frequently made soto voce. Sunny indicated not abstaining from chatting during the service, but the entire time they were in Mosque. THAT is discriminatory toward women. Of course you wouldn't see that.

          • I have NEVER been in a Catholic or Episcopal church or for that matter any THER denomination.that did not encourage people to chat with one another. In fact , Episocpalians generally have a coffee hour after the service for just such chatting.
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            Rose, I'm talking about the service, not the coffee hour.
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            To talk and visit DURING THE SERVICE is disrespectful to the Service itself, and to the people around you. Even then, small asides, or comments are frequently made soto voce.
            Sunny indicated not abstaining from chatting during the service, but the entire time they were in Mosque.
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            They have coffee hour after mosque services? Who knew? ;)
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            THAT is discriminatory toward women. Of course you wouldn’t see that.
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            Since I'm not Muslim, and have never experienced gender separation during worship services, I won't presume to judge it. It does sound rather archaic, I grant you. (Although I'm a little confused why you'd say that maintaining silence within the mosque is "discriminatory" toward women, but not men.) But, then, so does the gender separation in Orthodox Jewish, Mennonite, Amish and Eastern Orthodox services.

            The thing about religions is that, if we don't like the way one church or mosque or synagogue or temple does things, we're free to check out another more to our liking. Unless, of course, one happens to live in a very restrictive theocracy like Saudi Arabia. But it's no more realistic to assume that all Muslim mosques follow Saudi Arabian practices, than it would be to assume that all Catholic churches are run like Cistercian abbeys.

          • Remember, don't be goaded into responding to the troll. It uses the same old stinking turds thrown to get a response. The translation service is its weakest chucker and when it resorts to that you have it against the wall. Leave it there. It will never stop trying to fire you up because that's what good little communist pigs do. Leave it alone. It may never go away but it cannot win if you don't engage it or feed it with a response. You already know it will toss the same old bag of shit at you to get what it needs. Don't give it anything. Let it die and dry up.

          • Nothing to see here folks, thumb down and move along.

            The Troll Patrol
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            Translation: "I'm incapable of defending my convictions to others, so I'd feel more comfortable expressing them only to people who can be counted on to agree with me."

            Poor Silent. Do you not realize that a conviction is worth nothing if it isn't worth defending?

          • Yeah I have been to quite a few churches as well with the same such reaction,(Ever walked into a church and tell people you are an Atheist but looking for knowledge? Get a few weird looks ) but I have never walked into any church and they told me I couldn’t talk to my fiance or any of the other women around..
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            That's also the practice in orthodox Jewish synagogues, traditional Eastern orthodox churches and some fundamentalist Christian churches. As for not being able to talk to your fiance, don't forget that St. Paul directed women to be silent in church. Some denominations take that instruction more seriously than others.

            Of course, such conservative practices aren't everyone's cup of tea, especially those who grew up in more informal church settings, or aren't used to church at all. But that doesn't mean there isn't a place for them, or that it's a bad religion overall.

        • I have been welcomed in some asian churches just fine and in others not so fine… I wonder how the experience would be for a black person in mosques as well…
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          Seeing that there are quite a few black Muslims in the U.S. and in African nations with a high black population, I would tend to guess that the experience isn't generally bad. ;)

      • People who used to come over and talk to me about philosophy would look at me and walk the other way. Until I finally stopped going, I was upset honestly because I thought I had made so actual friends in that religion, but it turns out if I wasn't interested in being a Muslim, I wasn't interesting enough to waste any more time on :(
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        That happens in a lot of Christian congregations, too. Sometimes it's because members of the congregation lose interest in the person who's not interested in joining; other times it's because they don't want to appear to be pressuring him/her.

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