Martha Raddatz as biased as any media hack we’ve ever seen. Obama must have gotten her one hell of a wedding present: Although it won’t be enough. Joe has, as always, hit the sauce far harder than the mark.
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MSNBC's website described Raddatz as "forceful" while giving a "commanding performance" during the debate. Biden interrupted 85 times! Seeing all Biden's laughing, an honest moderator would have went off script and asked Biden something along the lines of: Mr. Vice President, do you find the claims of the Congressman laughable? But that would have drawn attention to how Biden was making a buffoon of himself and so it wasn't going to happen.
Of course she tanked it for Biden. From the first question to the last one , it was easy to tell that she had no respect for Ryan. She let her disdain for he and Romney come through. The so called commission should've replaced her once they "found out" lord barry had attended her wedding. That her ex husband was a member of this administration
Ryan do well. He got Biden to show that he is truly an ass hole who, when challenged by the facts and face to face turns into a smiling jack-o-lantern with bad hair plugs.
I was screaming as much at Martha Raddatz to shut the hell up as much as I was screaming at Biden!
AHHH, I dunno where to post, lol.
I think Biden won this, hands down. Yet he lost because he acted like a child. Charles Krauthammer said it best (paraphrasing) "If you listened to this on the radio, Biden won, if you watched it on TV, Ryan won."
I'm really shocked that the Vice President would act like this. I think it's representative of the mindset of this administration though, very arrogant and out of touch.
How can you say Biden won. The plug headed Motherf**ker interrupted Ryan so much he could hardly get a point across.
He "won" in the sense that he fired up his base.. while Obama crushed their hopes. Or maybe succeeded is a better verb
interesting...perhaps he didn't fire up his base after all. I think his smirking and laughing on the topic of our Ambassador and military personel being killed cost Biden big.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/11/CNBC-Poll-Ryan-Crushes-Biden-56-36
i would peruse the politics subreddit to get a better idea of how dems reacted to the debate.. CNBC has it closer now ( http://www.cnbc.com/id/49327648 ), and states its not scientific. For what its worth, I view 2 reasonably fired up bases now
Here's the deal, he did'nt suck as bad as Obama.
I also said he lost, lol.
I think Biden did a good job if he wasn't so arrogant with his stupid smirk. I think Ryan could have been more assertive and call out Biden on his bs. There was a lot of it. Biden, I think, took control, spun his point of view as the correct one, and Ryan was on the defensive. I still like Ryan, but he was to analytical and not showing enough gravitas.
Plugs showed America that liberalism is a state of arrested development. Joe has been allowed to be a dufus who sticks his foot in his mouth all the effing time, "it's Joe being Joe". That sh!t has worn thin with most folks, including Dems.
I agree.. in terms of optics, Ryan lost this like Obama did, though not as severely. It was to be expected that the VP would come out in traditional attack dog role, and his campaign needed it..badly.. so the media narrative of Comeback Fight proceeds as desired.. Who here isn't going to watch the next debate?
I don't know about calling Biden the winner. Three days from now the only thing most people will remember about the debate is that the VP is a dick.
Watch the approval numbers drop among women if my female FB friends are any indication.
I think you are correct about the women not appreciating Biden's behavior.
I just think Biden was better, save the smirk. I think he ultimately lost because of his stupid and almost constant grin, but to me Ryan did not seem like himself. Ryan should have wiped that smile off his face in the first ten minutes. Had he done that, went for the throat (or fake teeth) he would have owned by epic proportions. Yet he let Biden go on and on with it. I'm just surprised I guess, had better hopes for Ryan.
I think he was advised not to do that very thing, because Joe Biden was chosen as the Singular Asshole of the Democrat party Left for being a mean, nasty and detestable street fighter. He was ready to give his constituents exactly what they wanted...Ryans torn and bloodied flesh. The rank and file Kool Aid crowd would have loved that and were probably upset that "that Joe" didn't come to the party. Joe didn't bring any facts to the table, just rude, condescending, snide, snipes and snarks and "800 million billion" interruptions. I think in the long run, this debate will have little impact on the more informed voter and if nothing else, it will move the fence sitters into one camp or the other and I'm betting we'll get the lion's share of those who still feel patriotic deep down inside.
Yeah my father in law, still a registered Dem I think, though he detests Obama now, thought that Biden came off as a jerk. I thought he just won the pissing match, which is exactly what demoralized dems wanted. They are all falling over themselves praising his performance now. I think Ryan scored points on Medicare and supply side, but was knocked back a bit on Afghanistan, Syria, and the extent to which he opposes abortion
Biden will regret the following...
Interupting all the time
Laughing at anything Ryan said
Smirking the entire night
Acting like a teenager next to someone 30 plus years his junior
...the feedback will show this after the spin is over.
Fact: Biden interupted Ryan 82 times...how rude!
It was only 82? Seems kind of low.
Just to back up my statement
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/10/12/biden_interrupted_ryan_82_times
doesn't include when Raddatz did the interupting
Ha, that brings the number up to about 500.
"Ha, that brings the number up to about 500."
I think it was more like around 800 million billion...
No kidding, there was a segment there where Ryan couldn't complete a single sentence cuz the two of them were tag teaming with the interuptions.
Exactly right! I hope Romney's debate practice uses two simultaneous opponents. Last night's debate was almost a gang bang.
I saw 96 mentioned as the number. . . but that was from a tweet and not sourced.
I hope your're right. I can never get a good gauge on what the casual observer thinks. We here are all so steeped in this sort of thing that at times I feel (and I'm sure I'm not the only one that does) that I can absolutely finish these guys sentences before they even open their mouths. Makes it hard to figure on what the less committed will take away from a thing like this.
I think it will make a difference for people who "saw" the debate. For those who only listened, it may seem that Biden held his own.
I heard the last 30 minutes on the car radio. Missed the rest due to a plane trip. Biden sounded awful especially when he bs'd his way through the abortion thing. Raddatz was AWFUL on the radio. Couldn't shut up and let Biden off the hook. Ryan was tag teamed from what I heard. It wasn't subtle.
Yeah, the last 30 minutes went really well for Ryan.
Is this the post debate thread?
Wasn't intended to be. I'd go with the one that Editor set up below this...but that's just me.
Oh, I thought that was the predebate one lol, considering it was posted predebate, but I'm a reasonable man, so I'll go with that one.
LOL. Maybe it was. I have no special knowledge . . . and sometimes, unfortunately, none of the more general kind either!
Well we could always Occupy this thread and make it the post VP debate one.
That works too!