Trayvon Martin’s doctored hoodie photo

The original photo side by side with the version showing up all over the Internet


Trayvon Martin’s doctored photo. Why do you suppose the media did this? They took a legitimate photo of shooting victim Trayvon Martin and lightened his coloring, smoothed his skin, narrowed his head, and generally made him look like a little kid. Why do you suppose?

This post was last modified on January 26, 2021

J.P. Travis: Born and raised in Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1976 graduate of University of Michigan, father, grandfather, husband, founder and CEO of Travelyn Publishing (http://www.travelynpublishing.com/), and passionate anti-government believer in individual liberty.

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  • "...when the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome God-damned propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what sh*t will be peddled for truth on this network"

    The media's main motivation is profit -

    If my son was killed in the same manner as Martin - I can't say with certainty that I would not settle the score myself.

    • What manner was Martin killed in? Do you have access to information that we don't have? Or do you just consider yourself to be all-knowing, and fly off the handle easily?

  • If Martin was a criminal in training, the police should have taken care of it. Zimmerman still is guilty of at least manslaughter as he should have met the cops and not stayed and confront Martin or followed and confront Martin. He is not a cop, he was there to watch not to act like a police officer. He didn't see Martin do anything illegal other than act suspicious. He should have left the cops do their job.

    • There is no case for manslaughter. Either the MSM theory is correct, that Zimmerman hunted Trayvon like a dog, or the Zimmerman account is correct and he has every right to defend himself. I don't see a middle-ground manslaughter case here.

      • My Mom was saying that it is possible they fought for the gun (Zimmerman is actually saying this or his father, but I do not believe it as it should have been said from the beginning and it wasn't), that Zimmerman feeling big and powerful because he had a gun and Martin did not pull out the gun in order to "arrest" Martin and hold him until the cops got there. Martin may have reached for the gun and it went off. In that case it could be a manslaughter thing right? as Zimmerman can claim that he did not intend to murder Treyvon just to hold him for the cops with the gun. However, Zimmerman did not claim that at the time, he claimed self defense so you are right either he did self defense or he murder Martin in cold blood thinking perhaps that he was guilty of "something" and was doing the world a good thing by getting rid of Martin.

    • Kimmy, I had another thought, probably just my evil mind, but what if this was an "arranged hit"? While everyone has their opinion of what happened, (I'll wait till the facts come out) and they are getting all riled up and bringing this to the attention as a distraction to keep us from knowing what Obama is really up to (like begging to the Russians for more time?) After fast and furious came to light I would not be surprised if this was pre- arranged and this kid was just a boy in the wrong place at the right time. I mean we all know that shit happens within the government that we never know about, look at Watergate. This could be the reverse, A chance for the country to get all stirred up and drag it out past November. Given the left (and I am not a conspiracy nut) I believe this is an angle that people should think about. The kid was just a sacrifice for the left. They don't care who gets killed or injured as long as the agenda and election go their way. Maybe Obama can start replacing police chiefs and sheriffs under a court order. The media circus is all ready in full swing making judgments on everyone connected to this case. Makes you wonder.

      • Zimmerman still is guilty of at least manslaughter as he should have met the cops

        i disagree Kimmy.

        citizens MUST police themselves because the police are often too late to do anything other than right reports.
        2. martin hid from a citizen in order to lay an ambush.
        3. I know from personal experience that some people will stand up for bullies and law-breakers because they're "cool" and popular.

        • 2. "martin hid from a citizen in order to lay an ambush." This is something that has not been reported please post where you go this please. The evidence so far does not necessarily support he ambushed Zimmeran. He ran away from Zimmerman and Zimmerman stated that Martin came back, not that he hid in order to ambush him.

          1. Martin was not doing anything illegal. He was walking. He had no weapons, no tools of thievery at the time of his death. He may have appeared to be casing homes (and he could have), but he was not casing Zimmerman's home. So Zimmerman was not policing himself, he was policing the entire neighborhood and he is not a police officer and according to certain reports and Bill O'Reilly he wasn't supposed to be WATCHING nor policing the neighborhood with a weapon. That seems to have been against the Watch Group guidelines or rules it seems. Why was he alone anyway? He should have been with another person. Even if it wasn't an order, and especially because he was a captain, he SHOULD have met the cops not continue pursuit especially since he lost sight of Martin.

          3. I have no idea what you mean.

          http://laguardianangels.org/florida-neighborhood-watch-vs-guardian-angels/

          • 3. When i was in jr. high, a bully was shot at point blank range in the back of his head by one of his victims. this bully was a teacher's pet, and was often seen walking the halls grinning and in pleasant conversation with the teachers and admin personnel. this bully was also quite popular with certain females.
            Marty, one of his victims, felt his only recourse to stop the bullying was to kill gary.
            in the aftermath of this incident I was sickened by the crying and the bogus crap that was spouted about what a good boy he was. He wasn't a good boy, he terrorized not only marty, but me, and other of my friends, who were admittedly frail of body, but sharp of mind.
            NOBODY took reports of gary being a bully seriously, relegating it to school-boy normalcy. idk why the admin never seriously looked into this, though i suspect they wanted to keep hands-off and let the children settle it amongst themselves. This is exactly what happened. If the admin and staff had followed through, then perhaps marty would not have ruined his life, but he took the only course that appeared open to him.
            even today, these many years later, i have no pity for gary, only disgust when i remember him.
            marty was shipped off to reform school, there are no online accounts of this story, but I was there, I was a victim and a witness to the report of the pistol and marty running across the football field with a pistol in one hand and his schoolbooks in the other. gary was on the ground crying. my first thought? "Good, maybe he'll leave us alone now."
            Marty of course, was hung out to dry by a great many of his former schoolmates, and it was quite apparent that anybody who spoke in his favor, or worse yet, corroborated the facts of the matter, would be reviled as cruel and heartless and stupid and not a good member of society.
            gary brought his death upon himself.
            and the admin and staff are culpable, in that they enabled gary to continue terrorizing whomever he wanted to.
            p.s. when i utilize the word bully, i mean physically bullying, not mere word-throwing like ppl mean today when they accuse somebody of bullying.

          • Okay this is a sad story, however this is apples and oranges situation I believe. Since Zimmerman was the one following him to begin with one can make the case that he was the bully. If the bully role passed hands then Zimmerman is still the initial aggressor as he didnt have to follow Martin in the first place to know what Martin was doing.

          • You got the apples and oranges thing right! Following somebody because you're worried about crime in the neighborhood is not equivalent to coldcocking somebody and pounding his head into the ground. Zimmerman did nothing wrong, even if you accept the fictional stories about him following Trayvon after the 911 dispatcher discouraged it. Following sombody is not "bullying."

          • Following somebody is not “bullying.”

            No, but it could be considered a harassing action. And it can induce fear especially when you don't know the person and don't know why you are being followed. I know I was scared out of my mind when I realized I was being followed by some strange man. I did some quick thinking and got away safely but what if I hadn't. If he had gotten too close I would have done whatever I felt I needed to do to protect myself. This may have been what was going through Martin's mind at hte time especialy if he had happened to see Zimmerman's gun. Sadly, we will never know.

          • DRB, you're a female, your follower-person i gather, was a male. completely different scenario. you did good and i'm glad you made it away unscathed.

          • doubling back to hide in ambush is trying to get away?

            You are speculating that he "doubled back" and ambushed". This has not been verified by unbiased independent sources.

            “do you have a problem with me? now you do.” m then proceeds to hit z. hmmmm

            According to Z who is trying to make sure his @$$ is covered. Again no unbiased, independent source. hmmmmmm indeed.

            Sorry, my luv, but we just don't really know what happened between Z being advised not to follow and Z calling for help and shooting M.

            Could it have been as you said? yes. Could it have been as I said? yes.

          • "first you try to get away, if you can’t, then you fight with everything you have. "

            doubling back to hide in ambush is trying to get away?

            "do you have a problem with me? now you do." m then proceeds to hit z. hmmmm

          • Well, (generally speaking) I was referring to M's position...you know the unarmed person being followed by someone who may have had an advantage over the one being followed. In which case I think it wouldn't matter if you are male or female.If you know you are at a disadvantage, first you try to get away, if you can't, then you fight with everything you have.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GyOgVFDocs

          • I'm merely saying that females would act differently than males (generally speaking) in this situation which we've been speaking to.

            And (generally speaking) since females are more likely to be nurturers and males are more likely to be protectors (again, in a general sense.) Ergo, a female in Z's position, I think, would take the advice of the dispatcher, and wait for the cops to show up, instead of being proactive to a possible thug by keeping tabs on him.

          • Ok 1) that is a generalization of things, particularly meant to help understand "relationships", not "moments of danger"
            I took a test once (years ago) titled "what sex is your brain?" Which went along the same lines of how men and women think as the article your link shows. But still it is a stereotype based on generalities. Of course it had nothing to do with sexuality but rather how you process and use information. Turns out I have a stereotypical "male thought pattern" and it shows in my way of writing among other things. example: most of my posts are short and to the point. (stereotypically male style of writing) Which is why (until I finally selected an avi and said I'm a female type person) many posters thought I was male.
            2) Men are more left brained and women are more right brained (as it says in bold in your article) is saying women are emotional thinkers and men are logical thinkers. Which that is true for some but not others. See I got into that discussion with a former male colleague who felt I was too left brained and he really wanted me to try and tap into the right side of my brain a little more. Guess I was too logical for his taste. So, my luv...what are you trying to say again?? 8)

          • Do they? Some do and some don't and often it depends on the situation. I think you are falling for the old "women are emotional thinkers rather than logical thinkers" crap. Have I taught you nothing?

          • completely different scenario.

            Is it? Why? Because I'm the "weaker" sex? Then suppose that M did see that Z had the gun. Knowing that M didn't have a weapon at all and that Z did wouldn't M also feel that he was in an equally disadvantaged position as I was if not more so?

          • I think at this point in time we are in echec. I am with danyhboy sick of this story and trying to defend my point of view which is just that my point of view. It is almost as if I am not allowed to have it and at every moment there is someone else getting in my face about it like I am doing something to them. It is getting old. I really don't care if you believe Zimmerman is innocent that is fine. I respect everyone that believes that, I just hope people can also respect my opinion and leave it at that. The trepaquesubes and the back and forwards are getting on my nerves. I wish this site would go back to normal and talk about the economy and other issues that actually have to do with all of our lives.

          • one final comment re: this thread.

            whatever happened to "considered innocent until proven guilty?"

          • Nothing happened to it. We are not juries and we are not judges so that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. All that we are, are people who have opinions and have the right to their opinions based on the information as we see it. I just dont understand a lot of the animosity this story has brought. It is very sad. I can say and think whatever I want, and so can everyone else, the thing is to keep the level of intensity down as we are not each other enemies, this story is not worth it.

            Also I believe that Casey Anthony murdered her child and she was found not guilty and I believe OJ Simpson murdered his wife and her friend and he was found not guilty. I am ALLOWED to after all this time to continue to believe in their guilt. The courts did not prove their guilt even though individuals and the media believed that they did the crimes. Sometimes earthly justice is not met because it is not perfect.

          • Okay EARLIER reports from Zimmerman himself stated that Martin doubled back and hit him. Much earlier reports stated that Martin turned as Zimmerman followed on foot and hit him. So it seems that Zimmerman is changing his story which is actually quite suspect. Since he is the survivor and there are no witnesses unfortunately it is only his word and he will have to prove it in court and not sure how he is going to do that. I am not a fan of street cameras but I got to say this would be the perfect case for them.

          • Since we haven't heard from Zimmerman even once, it's impossible for him to have changed his story. What you're hearing is the conjecture from the media changing as more information arrives from other people, like Zimmerman's dad and the police department.

          • Actually it doesn't matter that "we" havent heard his voice speaking to "us", however he did speak to the police and he did/does speak to his family (and his lawyer) and the police and the family and most importantly his lawyer have been speaking to us through the media in his name and therefore that is as good as him doing so himself.

            When Zimmerman's lawyer gets on tv or speaks to the press that is not conjecture from the media and since he represents Zimmerman he is inessence speaking for him, When his friend got on TV and started talking about this and that he was in essence speaking for Zimmerman as well because he was allowed to speak to the media I suppose to show that Zimmerman was not a racist person. A lot of their stories match and sometimes they diverge it is still suspect.

        • Oh, my luv, you are going to make me disagree with you.

          citizens MUST police themselves because the police are often too late to do anything other than right reports.

          Unless, you or another is being physically harmed you should never put yourself in the middle of a crime. when Zimmerman said he was going to follow Martin, the 911 operator said, "that's not what we need you to do" (or whatever her exacts word were) She didn't want him to get that involved for his OWN safety as much for Martin's. No one really knew if Martin was truly "up to something" or not. Acting strange isn't a crime.

          martin hid from a citizen in order to lay an ambush.

          You don't know that. Maybe he hid, maybe he didn't...maybe he planned an ambush or maybe he just hid because some crazy man was following him (happened to me, I got away safely...obviously) and he just didn't hide well enough and was found again.

          I know from personal experience that some people will stand up for bullies and law-breakers because they’re “cool” and popular.

          and others won't

          • Unless, you or another is being physically harmed you should never put yourself in the middle of a crime.

            And police will tell you that the easiest way to end up dead is to get in the middle of an assault. Yet, I didn't listen to that, and a girl was glad of it.
            I was driving up the street in my neighborhood in NJ one day and saw a couple walking on the sidewalk arguing. Next thing I knew the guy punched the girl, she fell to the ground and he was going after her. I drove my car up on the sidewalk, jumped out and threatened to beat his ass. He ran off like the wuss that any guy that hits a woman is. and she thanked me for saving her.
            Point is, that if we don't get involved, then anarchy will reign.

          • Point is, that if we don’t get involved, then anarchy will reign.

            Which is why I qualified my statement...see the "unless" part. And as KQ and I have pointed out many, many times...walking on the sidewalk talking on a cell phone isn't something that needs to be intervened with. Who is being hurt by that?

            Now then, if someone was having the snot kicked out of them, I, like you, would have placed myself right smack in the middle of it.

          • Poppa, I understand and you did the right thing in THAT situation. However, Martin was not coming out of Zimmerman's house with loot, nor was he coming out of anyone's home with loot. He was not on private property, he was walking the sidewalk, he was not destroying private nor state property. If he was doing something illegal or he was assaulting another human being (like in your example), Zimmerman would have said so and Zimmerman would have been right to get involved. He followed on a hunch that Martin COULD BE PLANNING TO DO SOMETHING (because of something that happened in the past and Martin had nothing to do with that), he was essentially saying that he knew what was going on in Martin's mind. Your example and this situation are actually two diffferent situations.

          • DRB... gurl you hit it. He should have NOT PUT HIMSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF A POSSIBLE CRIMINAL SITUATION when he could have easily avoided it. It is as if he was a journalist injecting himself in the story and making the story about himself, when he should be objective and be an OBSERVER not a participant of the story. Zimmerman regardless of EVERYTHING ELSE placed himself in harm's way in order to fullfill (it seems by affects of his past) some kind of a police fantasy. He should have not done that. Martin was not in the mode or in the process of doing anything illegal at the time that Zimmerman watched and followed him. Martin was not casing Zimmerman's house, Zimmerman did right in calling the police and letting them know how he looked like and where to find him. That should have been the extent of his watchman duties.

          • The two comments above are indicative of the problem we have as a culture. Women will never, ever confront anything. Their priorities are always safety and compromise, often at the cost of freedom. If women had been in charge when King George was tightening the English noose around the colonialists we would never have had a country in the first place.

          • I hate racists more than I hate mysogynists, however, mysogynists get no respect from me. It is very easy for a man that will never know what is like to have a baby inside his body for months and be in many cases the sole person responsible for that life to say crap like this. In any case SK is quite correct, having priorities of safety and compromise is not gender specific and in MANY cases safety and compromise actually prevents major disasters. That was not a good look man, not a good look.

          • Kimmy,
            Sometimes in the course of human events it is necessary to have a "major disaster." I'm sure the men who suffered through that winter at Valley Forge would have preferred "safety and security" but they knew that to secure liberty compromise was not an option. Ben Franklin put it thusly, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Women, as a group and as a gender, will trade off anyone and everyone's liberty for the security of their babies in a heartbeat. You are the perfect case in point. I regret to inform you that my liberty to be free from intimidation and assault by angry black youths like Travon or angry black adults like Eric Holder is not something you are free to compromise.
            Joe

          • Kimmy is for friends. I dont know you. You are not my friend.

            I wrote a lengthy response to your post, however, I go to the end and by adding Black to your last statement you have shown your hand that you are probably a racist or you have a serious problem with Black people specifically. White young people and adults can be angry and criminal as well. Anger and criminality is not exclusively the issue of any particular color of skin and compromise is not an issue of any particular gender either. It is not possible to respectfully debate people like you.

          • you in essence called DRB and I wimps

            No, KQ. It's much worse than that...he in essence called us (gasp) liberals!

            LMAO

          • DRB is an exceptional person with class and intelligence. I strongly disagre with your assertion.

            Thank you, KQ. As for Mr. Kirkup, well, he just doesn't know me OR what I am capable of.

          • Based on information contained in the Uniform Crime Reports from 2000 to 2004

            Perhaps you have heard the saying "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics" Well, we should add "Damned Lying Governmnet Statistics" to that list.
            Stats can be manipulated to make any point you want them to make. The government is expert at manipulating the numbers, 2 perfect examples of this are the DOT stats on motorcycle helmet use, and the unemployment numbers.
            What I'm saying is, don't trust what the government tells you.

          • Mr. Kirkup,

            How many times must I repeat myself? Kimmy is for friends. I have asked that several times.

            I think we have reached an echec. Overall there are men who cower in fear at the sight of a gun and do nothing to protect their home (wives and children). Whereas there are women who take control of the situation. It happens. If you want to believe it is minor cases, there is really nothing to be said.

            DRB is an exceptional person with class and intelligence. I strongly disagre with your assertion.

            At this point in time sir, there is really nothing else to add, however it was an interesting debate.

          • Kimmy,
            I'm proud of women when they stand up for themselves and their families. It is however the exception and not the rule. If self defense were a female priority the ranks of gun control organizations would not be overwhelmingly women. The examples you gave are notable for the very reason that they are unusual.
            You seem like a nice girl (drb not so much), as long as guys like RobertW will pander to you and take that load of manure drb gave him things will be fine. It's always fun to have a temporary escape from reality, enjoy it while it lasts.

          • In second thought I did have to add something to your reply:

            So you are racist against the many WHITE Europeans who have allowed themselves to be convinced that they deserve to be taken care of by the government? Right? When I lived and/or visited several European countries the story was the same: WHITE MEN (mostly men) begging on the streets. They were young or of working age with able bodies and some with well fed dogs. Many of them hounding passerbys for money AND some insulting of others for not giving them money, while the immigrants (legal or not) were busting themselves in great numbers and working in order to provide for themselves and their families. I know that you are a racist, however that is because you want to believe that you and people that look like you are above and better than everyone else. History and social issues depending of country and circumstances do prove you wrong. Like I said, if White people had been targeted by the government like Blacks were and Blacks were empowered like Whites were, the story would be different and you would not like anyone saying to you that just becuase you are white and walking down a street you deserved to be profiled. The reason you don't understand that is just because you were born white, and you don't even dare to imagine what would have your life been like if you weren't. I am sure the thought scares you.

            Like I said, there are a lot of complicated issues, that will not be resolved here. I am not interested in this issue, because a racist will always find a reason to be a racist. The differences in gender though and how they react to the same circumstance in your case is erroneous. The problem here is that you fail to see people as human beings and therefore the same on all basic levels. You also fail to see people as individuals that regardless of who they are, what they look like and what gender they are, will act the same or different under the same circumstances. This behavior is not so because of their gender or color of skin, it is so because of their history, their society, their nationality, their environmental education and their mental and physical capacities or disabilities. A white boy with a hoodie walking the street alone at night who had problems at school and took marijuana and liked rap music, could have also been violent towards Zimmerman just because Zimmerman was following and not because he was a criminal. A woman could have hidden or run, or if she was physically capable could have fought. Each individual is that an individual human being. Putting people in one category all the time and under all circumstances is what causes situations like this to happen.

            Like I said... the race issue is complicated and that is not what made me reply to you. I would like to know what you base your assertion that all women are weak in all circumstances. That is an erroneous statement.

          • Neither decided to let themselves be robbed or killed nor did they negotiated with the invader. Many women will do the same as they did. I would and I am sure DRB would as well.

            Damn straight!

          • I told you already Kimmy is for friends. You are not my friend. You may type KQ for short, if you are unable to type the whole thing.

            And once again what does this have to do with your assertion that ALL women in ALL circumstances regardless of anything are all in essence wimps AND your assertion (seemingly) that children are not worth to save or to safeguard?

            That was the only reason I replied, because you in essence called DRB and I wimps AND you ASSUMED (quited arrogantly I may add) that I was a perfect example of your mistaken assumptions even though you know NOTHING about my life, nor what I have done, nor what I am capable to do.

            You also implied or I infered that Mothers are weak BECAUSE they safeguard their children (as Mothers supposed to do) and completely ignore the facts that GOOD FATHERS also do the same, without considering that in both genders sometimes they can resort to violence or war-like behavior in order to do that. Last Christmas there was a story of a woman that shot and killed a home invader while she was in her home alone with her newborn baby. I am sure there are a lot of stories like that. She was White. A few weeks ago there was a story of a Black woman who beat the hell out of a home invader as well, in order to protect herself AND her two children. Neither decided to let themselves be robbed or killed nor did they negotiated with the invader. Many women will do the same as they did. I would and I am sure DRB would as well.

            The issues of race are complicated and it is true that there are lot of factors and in many cases (most perhaps) government control or government involvement has made things worst, however it could have happened to any group (Greece, a country that lacks a great number of Black people is a great example) where when govt becomes involved with entitlements it is the dark side human nature to get too complacent and when the entitlements are no longer available or the entitlements take the place of hard work and conscientious behavior there are crimes and riots and so on and so forth. I am not going to be veered into this conversation though, because that is not the reason I replied to you.

          • Kimmy,
            You are absolutely correct. Black criminality is not genetic or predisposed. Blacks, like whites, simply respond to the circumstances in which they exist. The staggering rate of black crime has it's roots in multiple causes, some of which we can influence and others we can not. Back in the 1940s the black crime rate in Harlem was less than that of whites. What happened? The welfare system and it's evil sisters, dishonest journalisim and political correctness is what happened. By 1970 liberal politicians had convinced a whole generation of blacks that the root cause of any and all adversity in their lives was white people, white males in particular. Democrat political strategists were simply trying to use blacks as a predictable voting block without regard to how it would affect black culture, family structure and work ethic. The result of this is the horrendous mess we are in today.
            This set of ugly circumstances is not only relevant to the Trayvon issue, but germane to it. The fact that young black men commit such a large percentage of crime gives any reasonable person cause to pay close attention to their behavior. That's what Zimmerman did and that's why he did it. Isn't this the issue at hand?
            Oh, and yes I am a racist. Not the kind who cackles maniacally while twisting his mustache, but a person who has observed over many decades that there really are stark differences between races and also genders. Am I then evil for holding an opinion that is supported by 100% of the evidence. My life would certainly be simpler if you would prove me wrong.

          • RobertW,
            You amaze me! Is it your position then that the staggering murder rate for blacks is simply some statistical glitch and not reality? So, my stance, "though backed by statistics" is still not politically correct so it doesn't count?? You remind me of a cute country song about "the queen of denial." As an older, more experienced guy to an obviously younger one, let me offer some sage advice. It is not necessary or even helpful to pander to women. They say that's what they want, but in reality view it as character weakness and reject it. When you challenge them with reality in the face of their tendency to believe only what is convenient they pout for a bit then ultimately trust and respect you for being honest.

          • There are many factors that leads to criminality especially in a group of people over another. If the situation and history would have been reversed and Whites were socially and historically the same as Blacks, and viceversa, those numbers would more than likely be the same all you have to do is put the word White instead of Black. Criminality is not an exclusive notion among one group of people as everyone is capable of it, if the circumstances lead to it and the person's response to the circumstances lead to it. You are using numbers to satisfy your racist beliefs, that is all that it is to it.

            All of this, and is has nothing to do with the initial matter at hand. To me you seem like the liberal Olivia who went from point to point that have nothing to do with the original issue.

          • Joe, arrest doesn't mean guilt.
            and none of your citations ameliorate your misogynistic stance.
            also you seem to equate a trend with individual cases, this stance of yours, though backed by statistics does NOT preclude racist ideology, which you apparently defend.

            I recall similar arguments as seen on camera, back in the 60's which support your thesis that black ppl are necessarily sub-human, or at the very least, are less than a white person.

            I suggest to you that you utilize one thread per hate-target. black, hispanic, female, etc. if you're unable to do thus, then be prepared to have subsequent statements (regardless of citation) DT'd and MO'd.

          • Based on information contained in the Uniform Crime Reports from 2000 to 2004, and in the U.S. Census Bureau's Population Estimates Program (1/4/08), we were able to prepare estimates on the arrest rates for certain crimes broken down by race. This data indicates that the arrest rate for blacks for murder was 10 to 15 times as high as for whites, five to six times the rate for whites for sexual assault, eight to nine times as high for robbery, four to five times as high for aggravated assault, and between two to three times as high for burglary.

          • Were Jimmy Carter and a whole host of male Democrats since Vietnam women? Was Neville Chamberlain a woman? Being an appeasing/compromising wimp is a non gender specific political trait among many in the progressive ruling class.

          • Dear kick guy,
            The lastest polls show that Barrack Obama is leading Mitt Romney by 18 percentage points among women under 50. I know that you're probably a young guy and that pandering to the feminist illusions of equality professed by women has been driven securely into your brain. Unfortunately, it's all crap.
            It would be helpful to everyone if you would man up enough to admit that women, whilst being endowed with the same rights under the Constitution as men, are not men and never will be. In short, they have babies and feed them, we handle security and sustenance. As soon as the glow of this temporary abundance we are currently enjoying fades away and is replaced by harsh reality in the form of bloodshed and starvation both genders will revert to the roles Mom Nature designed them for. Pandering to female wishful thinking will only make it worse.
            Joe

          • Dear kick guy,
            ......... I know that you’re probably a young guy and that pandering to the feminist illusions of equality professed by women has been driven securely into your brain.

            Boy are you barking up the wrong tree!
            You should read and learn about people here before you try to analyze them. You're probably well meaning, but so far off base that you will take a long time to get anyone to appreciate your point of view.

          • Joe, You'd be well served to study the Bible more diligently than you obviously have.

            Specifically in Judges, that's in the old testament.
            and also look at Lydia, the seller of purple that Paul talked with.

            And the Samaritan woman at the well, that Jesus talked to.

            Then perhaps, you'll have a better sense of the genders.

          • "Don’t you need a brain to study?"

            Not at all. Liberals study all the time. The lack of brains shows up when you look at WHAT they study.

          • ok, z is a citizen of the neighborhood
            m. was not, he was only in the neighborhood cuz he was living with his pa while serving his marijuana possession induced school suspension.
            z, most likely concerned about a possible criminal informs the cops, who say they don't need a citizen to do anything. This was NOT an order.
            z followed m. m hid. z returns to vehicle, m is waiting for him.
            m begins to beat (without provocation) z.
            z, after calling for help, and obviously in fear of his life, draws his pistol and defends himself from an un-provoked attack.

          • M's dad lived there and M visited probably on a regular basis, making him at least a part time resident. Z isn't being faulted for calling 911, and the fact that it wasn't an order is irrelevent. The 911 operator was giving him the proper advice given the known facts of the situation at the time. She was trying to stop Z from putting himself in danger and/or escalating the situation by aggravating M. (which he did). The particulars of rest is unknown as it is Z's word without witness verification except that Z did call for help.

          • DRB in my opinion is correct in her assesment I just want to add that Martin used marijuana at another location and this issue is not a criminal beef but a suspension from the school having nothing to do with the case.

          • Yes, his school suspension is irrelevant, which is why I didn't address it. B ut just so you know, M has had multiple suspensions from school the marijuana was an older suspension, the one that place him at his dad's on the day in question was due to locker vandlization. He wrote "WTF" and when school official went through his backpack looking for the writing instrument they found several pieces of women's jewelry, a woman's watch, and a screwdriver which was said be what he used to break into some lockers. Still none of this has anything to do with what he was doing or what he had on him on the day he was killed. Seems like both Z and M had issues but that is niether here nor there.

      • Notsosilent! I have the very same thought as you! Something just doesn't feel right about this case. I beleive Obama will use race riot's this summer to cause more unrest to our country. This incident is just too convenient for obama's agenda.The biggest problem is no one trust's nor would put it past this administration to provoke a race riot. Also,where is the outrage over that white kid as well as a white couple that were set on fire by a gang of black's for the reason they were white? Where was our media then? Every person regardless of colour who is killed is tragic..not just those of a certain skin colour.

        • Just something to think about, given the level of government we have. The point is we could all be distracted by the issues the media is feeding us, never stopping to think outside the box.

          • Well I still think there is something fishy about Breitbart's death. I really don't know about this theory of yours, but I got to admit that anything is possible.

          • There is the problem, with these guys in D.C., anything is possible....as long as it's for the cause...

            I've seen some really weird conspiracies in my time as a cop, which leads me to always think about all the possibilities. If you don't you could very well overlook the truth. I may be way way off on this but those little hairs on the back of my neck are standing up when I read this, and that usually means trouble...:)

          • It wouldn't be the first time a black person is used to manipulate the unintelligent sheeple that vote Democrat.

  • The thing is, I don't care if it's the person on the right or the left. Appearances don't mean shit to me. If he truly is a victim, I want justice done for him. If he was an aggressor and Zimmerman justifiably shot him, I want Zimmerman to be left alone. I don't need the right or left wing media to slew things or tell me how I should feel. Just give me the facts. I like to think I'm an intellegent fair minded person. I know "scary" looking people who are the kindest people you'd want to meet and I know people who look beautiful and innocent I would'nt trust as far as I could throw them. Why does the media post old pictures of Martin and show pictures of Zimmerman that look like a mug shot? If Martin looked like a thug and Zimmerman looked like an alter boy, and Martin is truly a victim, I still want justice for him. I'm not going to be kn the jury if this goes to trial, but both sides should refrain from trying this case in public. Whatever really happened, I feel for Martin's parents (no parent should ever have to bury their child), and if Zimmerman is innocent of wrongdoing, no sane person is going to walk away from taking another life unhaunted. What a f**king mess this is without the usual suspects(the media) jumping in.

    • Everything you said is right, IMO. That being said, even if Zimmerman is acquitted (assuming he gets charged) his life is ruined. He has to live with taking a life and 50% of the country thinks he's a racist murderer. Either one of those conditions is bad enough. Combined it is a horrible type of hell that we cannot begin to imagine.

  • I'll wager when all is said and done, we'll actually find out that Trayvon was really casing houses and his girl friend was part of a scam in the event someone confronted him in the neighborhood. In order to get out of the loop, so to speak, he whoops up on Zimmerman with the intention of getting him out of the picture and being able to leave the area unmolested, however, comma, comma, he gets shot and killed. Tragic as it is, there's an old saying: "What goes around, comes around!" Kharma is a bitch! Naturally, Oshithead and all of his willing cronies in the MSM and elsewhere took a bite into this bone before the cow was willing to let it go. In other words, all the facts aren't in yet...on the other hand, when did facts get in the way of anything the MSM says or does? One possible outcome is that Zimmerman could be acquitted and all hell breaks loose from the looney left and from the race traders and they force a retrial until Zimmerman gets the sentence THEY think he deserves, despite the facts. It's not like this hasn't already happened in recent memory. These vicious ass clowns will force the issue just because they think we're all cowards and enablers. Frankly, I want them to come to my front door and say that to my face. At least that way, they'll find out that not all people are sheeple, cowards and this one will enable the hammer of his 45./410. to meet the firing pin and we can all watch the fire works!!

    • I agree with what you said up to a point. From what I can surmise (and I"m no expert) neither side is totally innocent or guilty. I'm guessing it was a confrontation that went much worse that needed to.I'm guessing Zimmerman may have saw Martin doing something he should'nt have been doing, but maybe took it too far. I don't think there was race or malice involved, but that Zimmerman took things farther than he should (again I don't know for sure). What J am more sure of is that the media rushed to make a horrible situation even worse. Both sides need to step back and let the police and courts do their job. If this was a hate crime, I want Zimmerman to fry. If not, I want this witch hunt to end.

      • Geoff B, I don't believe my scenario for a second, but based on the bullshit flying around as fact in the MSM, WH and elsewhere my "truth" can't be any more false than theirs. The one thing I do know is that a lot of people are publicly placing their feet in their mouths and then their heads up their asses when they should just be quiet and let the facts come in. And even after the facts are in they are going to have to be interpreted and there is no guarantee that'll ever happen if every ass-clown with a camera and an opinion gets involved.

        Besides, I'm very much with KQ on this one...this crap has gone on way too long as news and I think it's just circulating to flame the fires of racism the libtards say they don't possess...they need that 98% plus black vote shored up...Odickhead's in trouble if he tries to run on his abysmal record. If it came down to the facts, I could beat him!

  • The media rushed down there because they thought they had a racists white guy hunting down and killing a young innocent black kid, Trayvon. Well it did not turn out that way. The shooter is usually considered by the left an oppressed person of color. Now we have one news agency calling him a white hispanic. Its much more complicated then the press would like to make it and its not about race. First Zimmerman is Puerto Rican and has blacks in his family and there is no indication he is a racist. He made one HUGE mistake, he followed the kid on foot, when the police dispatcher told him "we do not need you to do that." Someone they got into a confutation, I don't know how, but the kid broke zimmermans nose and had him down and continued to hit him, zimmerman yelled out for help a few times and then you hear a gun shot. This is all on tape. Maybe the kid freaked when he saw Zimmerman following him??? Again I don't know what happened. Did Zimmerman try to grab the kid or did the kid freak when we saw this guy following him? We have Zimmerman's call to the police, and we have eye whiteness testimony and the tape of zimmerman shouting for help and the shooting of Trayvon. So far it seems to me like a terrible event caused by circumstances. A young man is dead for no real reason. Zimmerman was out there doing neighborhood watch, some of the homes had been robbed and when he saw Trayvon, with the hoodie, he though he was casing houses (we do not know allot about Trayvon yet). So first he did the right thing he called the cops, but again it was a big mistake to follow the kid on foot. Now they get in the confrontation and Zimmerman is fearing for his life and shoots. I do not see this as murder but a terrible tragedy. So unfortunately, the media sees it as a opportunity to use this to divide and conquer an get Obama reelected.

    • Except now even the story about Zimmerman following Treyvon after the dispatcher told him not to... well, that turns out to be invented by the media, too. It appears more likely from the eye witness account and from what Zimmerman's sister says that Treyvon followed Zimmerman. We don't know.

        • What was on the 911 tapes might be prior to the confrontation. According to Zimmerman, he was on his way back to his vehicle when Trayvon came after HIM. Regardless of who followed who, once Trayvon escalated it to a physical confrontation and climbed on Zimmerman and started pounding his head into the ground, the man has a right to defend himself.

          • But Z put himself into that position by not heeding the advice given by the 911 operator. He should have never followed. That act itself esculated the situation as it aggitated M.

    • "he followed the kid on foot, when the police dispatcher told him “we do not need you to do that.”

      ok, if this is true, then the dispatcher was obviously wrong, and it is not an order, direct or otherwise, And Zimmerman can walk anywhere he wants to on public property.

      • I don't understand why the media is saying that the "dispatcher told him not to follow". That is not true. It was a suggestion. I doubt that can hold up in court.

        • It is true, it was recorded on the 911 tapes. Zimmerman was told that following Martin was not what was needed. So what if it was a "suggestion"? It was sound advice given what Zimmerman had reported. Zimmerman said Martin had his hand in his waistband. No one know what he was reaching for at the time. We found out later it was a package of skittles but what if it were a weapon and what if Zimmerman didn't have the gun? In that senario, Zimmerman just bought himself a heap of trouble and Zimmerman could have been the one dead. But Zimmerman followed because he was concern about martin "getting away" (also on the 911 tapes) But just what exactly was he "getting away" from? According to Zimmerman's own words, Martin was just acting weird and walking in the rain. Where's the crime? Sorry, there was no reason what-so-ever for Zimmerman to follow Martin based on what was reported on the 911 tapes.

  • barry is just following the play book of the other race baiters and haters. Stir it all up, incite the crowd, sit back and wait for it to start and then start it all over again.

  • Why do I suppose? For the same reason the President is speaking out on it - to start a race war and bring the country down. This way they can blame the Right and move against us. We fight back, civil war breaks out, Obama and the Left win.

    • Maybe but I think it is more of a convenient distraction as gas hits $4.00 in most of the country, Afghanistan is a mess, unemployment, national debt. Take your pick.

  • Even un-doctored he looks like an ordinary boy-next-door teen. There was no need to doctor his pic at all.

  • just a few mins ago i had an idea for a capitalist venture:

    black hoodies with the logo obama's boy on it.

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