Obama faces Keystone pipeline defeat as Dems defect

Obama faces Keystone pipeline defeat as Dems defect. Despite an Obama veto threat, 69 House Dems voted last Wed. to move the pipeline forward by a veto-proof majority, 293 to 127. And, a Senate source says “We’re right around the corner from actually passing it. 293 votes in the House is a gigantic number. People want this thing.” Hey, Barry is a uniter, not a divider, just like he promised! Cool!

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  • This needed to be cleared up last year. Obama is waiting until after the election to say no to it definetly without fear from people not voting for him. Like someone already said he should just go through with it and claim that his hands were tied by Bush while Bush pistol whipped him, if it is successful in getting people back to work and lowering gas prices and evrything else for that matter he can congratulate himself in withstanding the GOP onslaught and being brave enough to make the final decision on this matter.

  • Hold off on the vote. That way the spin machine that works for barry can not claim this as some type of win and that barry was all for it. Wait until 11/07/12. It could just add to the bitterness of the previous day.

  • Looks like "Dear Leader" and his entirely useless excuse for an Energy Secretary are about to learn the hard way. But then the dipstick will just have the EPA block it, then watch things get crude!!

  • Looks like Keystone XL's first leak is in its pipeline of opposition.

    Revenge is sweet light crude!

  • Cheap fuel is just over the horizon if morons like Dear Leader would just get out of the way.

    • i've been seeing analysis that once this portion of the pipeline is built (Oklahoma->Gulf), gas prices in the midwest will rise as the glut drains away to global markets

      Is this erroneous? Remember, for some reason, we export a metric shitton of refined fuel nowadays..

      • Unrefined oil added to the world supply has to bring prices down. Exporting gasoline occurs because we are using less of it than say five years ago. Even in the oil industry basic economic principles still apply.

        • @RHG i'm not talking about Canada, nor any new piece of pipe that touches it. I'm talking about the regional drain that will occur as more oil is moved away from Oklahoma to the Gulf. This increases the costs to refineries in the midwest, which cannot be offset by the nominal increase in global oil supply shifted through the Gulf, as Sidekick notes. This Half-Keystone pipeline (OKlahoma->Gulf), which Obama approved for reasons I cannot fathom either economically or politically, will raise costs for the midwest ($.20/gal by whatever analysis they used).

          Maybe it'll go down in California.

          But if we must go to Canada, I have a couple observations as of late. First the map as it stands now:

          http://www.capp.ca/getdoc.aspx?DocID=191097

          This system will not be running at capacity for years, if that. We are piped! However that dotted line in there, from which our national security appears to be flow nowadays, is the core of all this haymakery.

          Its just a short cut. A profit seeking short cut for Canadian producers. I don't begrudge them that, but don't mistake for our National Interest either.

          Note that Canada is already capable of shipping it to China through their Pacific Coast. Or onwards to California. And if angry pipelayers in fact throw another one down to Vancouver, California may benefit more. Oil prices are global, gas prices are regional.

          I don't buy Oil.

  • This loss for the WH will be the end of barry's reign of terror. His political life is over when they defect on him. They are already doing it over O-care. Now this. Its over. To quote Bill Paxton from Alien. You're toast. You're history!

  • One more thing for Sock Puppet to trot out the "Blame Bush!" sound bite.

    "Blame Bush!"(TM)*

    *Property Hussein Holdings Ltd., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Soros Int'l.

  • I'm going to laugh when there is no more oil left in the world and you guys called alternative energy a waste of time.

    • I for one, am all for alternative enrgy. But an electric car that is run on electricity made from oil is NOT what I had in mind. I'm for solar, wind, but if someone can't charge you money for it, they aren't going to do the work it takes to make it viable!

    • DarkEric, I'll wager that oil will still power more devices than alternative energy 50 years from now. But with Obamba-care looming who the hell will live long enough to collect?

    • It's not that they're a waste of time, it's just that they aren't a viable economic substitute for fossil at this juncture. They are still too costly and unreliable. The sun doesn't shine the same everywhere and the wind refuses to blow at a nice, even speed when you need power. Perhaps the technology will get better, although some don't; batteries still suffer from the same problems they had a century ago, they don't hold enough juice and they take too long to charge. Solar and wind have their uses and should be used where viable, I agree. That choice should be left up to the providers and the customers, not some daydreamer in Washington. Right now, the best replacement for oil would seem to center around nat gas; maybe a nat-gas fuel cell will be the technology that brings the Oil Age to an end. I doubt it will be either solar or wind.

    • Unless you anti-oil geniuses can live several more centuries you won't be able to.

      As for alternative energy, these things use rare elements that are way more limted in supply than oil What're gonna do when these are gone? But don't worry too much. The boatloads of taxpayer's money wasted on these ideas will run out even faster.

      • "As for alternative energy, these things use rare elements that are way more limted in supply"

        ...What?

          • The windmills all use rare earth metals in their motors. Some solar panels use indium, expensive and in limited supply.

          • I was always under the assumption that windmills are made up of zinc, stainless steel and some other alloys.

            Sidekick: As far batteries Neodymium and Dysprosium are used the most. Neodymium isnt as rare as Dysprosium and is used in many types of aircrafts. Maybe if we weren't so invest in our military and fighting other countries then we would have more available Neodymium?

            Neodymium and Dysprosium are rarely found as free elements but usually in ores. Therefore there is great potential that there are some ores containing these earth metals that have yet to be discovered.

          • The rare earth mine mentioned in the article is open again. Not mentioned in the article was an "environmental" reason for the mine closing, Not surprising, since it is in CA. Somehow they are able to open again, maybe because there are still some elements of the government thinking rationally. They know we really need a supply of these materials. The metals are strategic and go into much of the technology we use everyday, civilian and military.

            Rare earth magnets are used for electric generators in the wind turbines, the really critical part. China now controls the rare earth market, supplying over 95 %.

  • This goes through and he'll take credit for getting it done. Some NEW study data will have come in and it will suddenly become a priority that was his idea. He will claim he was misled by bad data and tie that data to Bush and/or big oil. The MSM will corroborate and he will be hailed for solving the energy problems that face North America. Wait for it.

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