Transgendered folks want free mammograms

Transgendered folks want free Obamacare mammograms. Yeah, very confusing – “Mammograms of what?” is your first thought. We don’t get it either. More importantly, we can’t believe the bureaucrats wrote 10,535 pages of regulations using 11,588,500 words and somehow this crucial situation got missed.

J.P. Travis: Born and raised in Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1976 graduate of University of Michigan, father, grandfather, husband, founder and CEO of Travelyn Publishing (http://www.travelynpublishing.com/), and passionate anti-government believer in individual liberty.

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  • Really, this has gotten so unwieldy I can't even find something I put up myself earlier. I hereby take the old White Ribbon pledge to swear off this thread!

  • I see the Queen of retard retorts....Oblivious continues to troll this thread..talk about being laser focused on something but having no idea what your talking about..Hmmmm Kinda like Obama.....

  • 90% of this thread is completely off subject. We are not discussing the mental state of transgender. The thread. Is about providing free screening for transgender. And the answer is no, because there is no evidence at this time that they are in a high-risk group. Period.

  • Wow... another seriously difficult to navigate and read thread thanks to the troll... although I got six turds out so I did a good job today.

    • And that's the funny thing. She complained how her email blew up so she had to comment, but the thread is literally 1/2 her posts, so who's the one blowing up the thread?

      • About 1/3 at this point, but far more than that are just responses to her drivel. I'd say she's responsible for closer to 3/4 of this.

        But sometimes it's just SO DAMN FUN! So....

        1) I repeat, people are born men or women, aside from a microscopically small number who are true hermaphrodites. That is not a gender ,that is a birth defect. Men stay men, women stay women, period. (snerk) So-called "sex-change" surgery is nothing but a very elaborate and expensive drag costume.

        2) If men take hormones so that they develop bosoms, and that puts them at a higher risk for breast cancer, is that really something which everyone else should pay for? Don't we already penalize (snerk) people for engaging in medically risky behavior? Why should public (my/our) money go to people who have brought trouble onto themselves? With apologies to our friend CO2, is he entitled to public funds for a condition he brought on himself? (With all best wishes of course, and I'm sure any of us would gladly contribute if you requested and we could.)

        And of course, the ultimate absurdity, California is proposing public funding for infertility treatment for queer couples! How ludicrous is that?!?

        But anyway, one of the mantras of the far-loopy-left is that "Sex is between your ears, not your thighs." Well yes, actually, I'll concede that, which only goes to show that the FIRST order of treatment for any of these nutbags (snerk) should literally be to have their head examined and a regimen of psychotherapy started.

        • And of course, the ultimate absurdity, California is proposing public funding for infertility treatment for queer couples! How ludicrous is that?!?

          pretty dadburned, i'd say.

        • 1) I repeat, people are born men or women, aside from a microscopically small number who are true hermaphrodites. That is not a gender ,that is a birth defect. Men stay men, women stay women, period. (snerk) So-called “sex-change” surgery is nothing but a very elaborate and expensive drag costume.
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          Wrong. Like many far righters, you're trying to reduce a complex issue to black and white, which will almost always lead you in the wrong direction. Saying that "sex change surgery" is the same as a drag costume is like saying that having a limb amputated, and then getting fitted for a prosthesis, is nothing more than an elaborate and expensive pirate costume.

          The rest of your post is just a gold mine of right wing bigotry and misinformation. So I think I'll just make some statements:

          1) A funding proposal is just that, a PROPOSAL. Anyone can propose anything s/he wishes. That doesn't mean it's going to happen, or that the person proposing it believes it's going to happen.

          2) You refer to transgenders as "nutbags" who "should...have their head (sic) examined." Would you mind sharing your credentials here? The credentials that qualify you to declare that transgenders are automatically psychologically unstable?

          (NOTE: "Well, Rush seems to think----" doesn't count as a credential.)

          3) Many, many medical disorders that we already "pay for" are caused at least partly by bad habits, Psycho. Lifelong nonsmoker that I am, I guess I could balk at the idea of subsidizing health care for smokers who ended up with heart problems, vascular disease, lung cancer and/or COPD. Or I could complain that I've never been overweight, so I shouldn't have to subsidize care for the many medical complications of morbid obesity, either. Or the huge expenses related to head injuries in motorcyclists who refuse to wear helmets. But I do it, because that's part of taking social/community responsibility. Personally, I'd much rather support CO2's health care through taxes and health insurance payments, than expect him to have to beg friends for money to help pay his medical bills. Call me "far loopy left" if you wish, but I don't care for the current fad of shaming and scolding people when they're down.

          • You heve gone completely round the bend. I can hearthe heavy salivating as you scream at Poppa. Transvestites are generally nomal sexually. They have male-female relationships and dress inthe norm forthe majoity of the time.

            Transgendered, on the otherhand are recognized as having mental issues. They are required to undergo psychiatric evaluation, and in some case extensive therapy prior to surgery. They are also trueat ed with hormones for a long time before actual surgery. Anyone who thinks the isnot a mental component to transgendered men (or women) is a fool or blind. Or both.

          • You didn't actually read my post, did you, Rose? The links I included were to websites discussing the "mental component" of transgenders. Including stating specifically that gender dysphoria is not a psychiatric disorder.

          • C'mon mods, can't we get photo-posting capability here? NSS's comment is just BEGGING for a picture from Airplane! and the line "And Leon is getting laaaaarger!"

          • At this rate Livie the Libturd is gonna have this thread longer than that stupid cellphone thread in no time...Blah, Blah, Blah, yak, yak, yak, mumble, mumble, mumble, drool snort fart....Dats da Livie in one short paragraph.....

          • She's just like this libtard Richard Fowler that I was watching on the Kelly File. He keeps talking over everyone else without listening, because he's so self-important that nothing anyone else says matters, and if he keeps babbling, he expects you to give up, and voila! He wins.

          • How does one born a man become a biological female? Answer: he doesn't. You argue that the answer isn't black and white because the issue is complex. Why is it complex? An individual is mentally ill or so traumatized by events in his life to the point that he does not recognize or accept his own gender.

            The question is simple and has a simple answer. The rest is just nonjudgmental, PC nonsense, which is so typical, of the warped world view of the left. The sad thing is the surgery likely does not improve the transgender's life. Before you returned, a story was posted about a Dutch transgender who euthanized herself because she (born a woman) felt that she was a monster as a result of her surgery.

            So, in a sense, you're correct the issue is complex because our PC society makes it difficult for these people to get proper psychological counseling to determine the root causes of their gender confusion. Who is being served by that? Of course it is the do-gooder lefties who refuse to accept the reality of a given situation and enable others to ruin their lives so that they feel better.

          • My boy, you're just torturing yourself over this, in your efforts to slam transgenders....and I'm sorry to say that most of your post is either misguided or dead wrong.

            First, where are you getting the idea that people who choose to go through the transgender process are mentally ill? The APA doesn't recognize any special mental illness inherent in these people (gender dysphoria is not characterized as a mental disorder), and as far as I know you're not a psychologist or a psychiatrist. So what are your credentials for making such a statement?http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Gender%20Dysphoria%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

            Second, no, the "question" is not "simple." Choosing to make such a drastic change in one's life is never a simple process, because it's bound to be fraught with ambivalence. It also tends to be very stressful, since these people are often ashamed of their feelings and don't feel able to discuss them with others.

            Third, why are you generalizing about all transgenders, based on one anecdote from the Netherlands? You do realize, don't you, that many people who are NOT transgenders also commit suicide during any given year? And that some of them, too, are motivated by a poor self-image?

            Fourth, you're an ignoramus indeed if you don't know that transgenders ARE usually required to get counseling before undergoing the process (which, by the way, DOESN'T always include surgery). But it's a real chuckle to see you pompously advocating "psychological counseling" when your own party----pardon me, "libertarian platform"(cough, cough) does its best to make psychological and psychiatric treatment beyond the reach of anyone who doesn't have good insurance.

            Fifth, I'm always awed by the arrogance of right wingers who've had their self-esteem pumped up by the right wing echo chamber. You don't know your hind end from a hole in the ground about the transgender process (you proved that with the above fallacies and generalizations); yet you think you're better qualified than trangenders themselve to understand what they go through, and why they go through it.

            Instead of flinging around meaningless labels like "PC" and "do-gooder" and "gender confusion," I suggest that you bone up a bit on this issue. Any jackass can pontificate, and most do, but it would be more impressive if you had something other than blind assumptions and stereotypes behind those pontifications.

            Not Even An Afterthought: Counseling for the Transgendered

            Gender Therapists for Transgendered, Transsexual and Crossdressers: Psychologists

            Transgender Identity Issues in Psychology

          • And, once again, nobody gives a fuck what you think.
            Quit wasting our bandwidth and go screw with your puppetmasters at Media Matters.

          • And, once again, nobody gives a fuck what you think.
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            Yes, so you keep telling me. And then I find five new e mails with posts from you in them.

            If you don't want to talk to me, don't. It's not as if you had anything of substance to say.

          • That goes both ways, except I find many more emails with your posts in them.

            Try to resolve your daddy issues, the first step would be to stop replying to me.
            Speaking of lack of substance, 3000 word posts do not mean they are substantative, just long winded and boring.

          • I won't read all that. If you are so disorganized mentally that you can't express yourself in a paragraph or two, then you have nothing valid to say and only are capable of disjointed rants. No wonder you are such a laughing stock here.

            In one or two sentences please tell me how a person born a man becomes a biological woman? I want to know how the xx chromosome pair becomes a xy pair.

          • Sorry, Kick, but I've already answered that question. Don't blame me if you lack the self-discipline to stay focused for more than two seconds.

            Contrary to what the right wing media tells you, some complex issues can't be discussed using only bumper sticker slogans.

          • Oh, goodie, the spelling teacher is coming out!
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            Nope. The difference between "euphoria" and "dysphoria" is much more than spelling, Poopajoe. Two totally different meanings and applications.
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            And if you’d bother to read previous posts, you would know that Rose is using a Kindle Fire to post, and it does auto complete for words, and she doesn’t usually notice it.
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            I think Rose is intelligent enough to pay attention to what she's typing, Poopajoe. No need to insinuate otherwise.

          • Actually he's right. Itrives me nuts. Oh is thatnotPC? Atany rate, I will tpe a word, it will be correct, but when I type the nxt word, the tablet decisded I must have been mistaken and puts in a completely different word. I typed abberation and it came out some weird autopstailization or something. It Drives me wild. And I had actually corrected that twice, but I gues the table is a Liberal. It knows what I want to say betterthan I do!

          • And who makes that diagnosis, Olivia? Why, a mental health professional, of course. So yes, it does fall under mental health.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

            I never said it doesn't "fall under mental health." I said it isn't considered to be a mental illness.

            Problems like stage fright and codependency also "fall under mental health, " but they're not considered to be mental illness, either. Really, guys, this isn't rocket science. I think what you're trying to do is change reality (a very popular right wing tactic lately) to make it conform to what you want to believe. But that's just not going to fly with liberal me. The more you keep insisting that 2 + 2 = 5, the more I'm going to point out that experts in the field agree that it equals only 4.

            And, no, the fact that you keep insisting 2 + 2 =5 1000 times isn't going to make it magically so, nor am I going to pretend along with you that it IS so. Let's stick with the real world, please, rather than with your right wing fantasy world.

          • If stage fright, and co dependency are not a mental illness, why do they get reated by Psychiatrists and Psychologists?
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            For the same reason that physicians remove unwanted moles, and provide physical therapy for elderly people with balance and gait problems. Neither of those problems can be called illnesses per se, but both are disorders that can affect the person's quality of life.

          • If stage fright, and co dependency are not a mental illness, why do they get reated by Psychiatrists and Psychologists? They are both illnesses, r disorders, requiring treatment with meds, and soem type cof counseling. So yeah, that is the definition of an illness. If it wan't a problem, no one would treat it.

          • But mental health is there to “treat” mental illness, and if gender dysphoria isn’t a mental illness then why would it require “treament” in any form?
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            All of the questions you guys keep firing at me on this issue were answered in the posts you're so determined to hide without reading.

            Here's one more article explaining the status of the diagnosis "gender dysphoria":

            The Associated Press reported that the American Psychiatric Association’s Board of Trustees approved certain notable changes to that body’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders on Saturday. The story began with the controversial announcement that Asperger’s syndrome will now be included in the autism spectrum disorder category, but another change buried at the bottom of the piece may prove to be even more divisive—and, if historical precedent is any indication, more influential on society at large.

            J. Bryan Lowder
            J. Bryan Lowder is the assistant editor of Outward, Slate’s LGBTQ section, and the editorial assistant for culture.

            FollowSince the third edition of the DSM was published in 1980, some version of the diagnosis gender identity disorder has been included to describe patients whose subjective experience of gender does not match their biological sex. The common contemporary term for this group is transgender, the T in LGBT. Sources within the APA now confirm that in the DSM-5, which is due to be published in May 2013, GID will be replaced with the more neutral term gender dysphoria.

            Approval of this revision has been years in the making and reflects a narrowing of psychiatrists’ focus to those who experience personal distress over their gender incongruity. Those patients who feel like they need psychological help dealing with their feelings can still seek it out, while those who feel fine need not be marked as ill.

            Jack Drescher, a member of the APA group dedicated to considering this issue, explained to the Daily Beast back in 2010 that his subcommittee’s recommendation came from a desire to stop “pathologiz[ing] all expressions of gender variance just because they were not common or made someone uncomfortable.”* Moreover, in a recent interview in the Advocate, Drescher acknowledged that “all psychiatric diagnoses occur within a cultural context,” adding that “We know there is a whole community of people out there who are not seeking medical attention and live between the two binary categories. We wanted to send the message that the therapist’s job isn’t to pathologize.”

            As any student of the history of LGBT civil rights can attest, being deemed pathological by the medical establishment is considered to be one of the biggest obstacles to social and legal progress. Indeed, the removal of homosexuality from the DSM in 1973 was a watershed moment for the early gay-rights movement, as it neutralized the argument that gay men and women did not deserve equal treatment because they were somehow sick. Unsurprisingly, many in the transgender community see the label “disorder” as having a similarly restrictive effect on their fight against discrimination. But leaving the fraught term behind may bring some harm along with the good.

            As Drescher points out in his thorough analysis (PDF) of the parallels and contrasts between the gay and trans campaigns to escape the bonds of medical judgment, one important difference is the desire of many (but not all) transgender people for hormonal or surgical intervention to better align their bodies with their internal identity. Currently, insurance coverage for these procedures can be justified on the grounds that GID is a medical problem—a disorder—needing treatment. Without that argument, some transgender people—a group that already suffers from a great deal of social and economic marginalization—may now find it more difficult to finance their transitions.

            For those gender-variant individuals who do choose to seek treatment, the APA practitioners may soon be prepared to offer more organized care. While Drescher and his subcommittee were debating the differences between disorder and dysphoria, another APA group, called the APA Task Force on Treatment of GID, was busy deciding if enough empirical and clinical data existed to justify the creation of a standard set of “APA Practice Guidelines” for treatment. According to a report published over the summer, the answer was a strong yes. If the APA agrees with the recommendations, guidelines could soon be established for adults, adolescents, and even children. The task force additionally recommended that the APA begin making position statements supporting the “rights of persons of any age who are gender variant, transgender, or transsexual.”

            http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/12/dsm_revision_and_sexual_identity_gender_identity_disorder_replaced_by_gender.html

          • I never said it doesn’t “fall under mental health.” I said it isn’t considered to be a mental illness.

            But mental health is there to "treat" mental illness, and if gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness then why would it require "treament" in any form?

          • You have NOT answered that question. While they may legally be considered women, their genetic code remains male. That's s fact Jack!

          • Rose, I've reiterated several times now that I don't deny the "genetic code remains male." My point has been that LEGALLY and SOCIALLY and PSYCHOLOGICALLY, the individual is whichever gender s/he identifies with.

            Now, you can respect the person's choice and treat him/her as s/he wished to be treated, or you can get hard nosed and disdainful like Sidekick and flatly refuse to recognize him/her as s/he prefers. That's your choice. But I repeat: a transgender is LEGALLY whichever gender s/he is assigned, whether or not his/her genetic code matches it.

            Arguments to the contrary are like arguing, "Your adopted child isn't really your child because her genetic code is different from yours. So I refuse to refer to you as her parent."

          • Translation: yeah, if one is born a man, they stay a man. I know I'm a desperate fool but I'll just keep flailing because I'm a hopeless idiot and maybe you won't notice that I've never addressed the chromosome question because I can't in any truthful way without conceding that a man remains a man regardless of what he does to himself. You're right, kick, it's game, set, and match. I got owned again.

          • It’s “gender dysphoria,” not “genre euphoria.”

            Oh, goodie, the spelling teacher is coming out!
            And if you'd bother to read previous posts, you would know that Rose is using a Kindle Fire to post, and it does auto complete for words, and she doesn't usually notice it.

            And....TURDS!!

          • Gender dysphoria. By definition, an abnormal response to one’s own gender. And psychiatry is a soft science. We can’t develop studies to validate a psychiatric opinion. They don’t even agree with one another half the time. And the Gospel message today may be turned on its head in 5, 10, 20 years. So kick’s a point that just because a shrink says it doesn’t make it so.

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            On the contrary, Rose: the shrink, unlike you or me, is QUALIFIED to diagnose and plan treatment. Psychiatry isn't nearly as "soft" (read: subjective) as you're trying to suggest.

            For one thing, the opposite of "normal" isn't necessarily "mentally ill," nor does being called "normal" necessarily imply good mental health. The article I posted (you know, the one you didn't read?) gives an estimate that up to 5% of the population is gender dysphoric. That doesn't mean that all or most of them will choose to transgender, but it does mean that gender dysphoria is a lot more common than most would guess.

            If you look in the DSM, specific measurable criteria are listed for each disorder. Which means that there ARE some objective measures, even if the average Joe off the street doesn't realize it, or doesn't know how to assess those criteria in a patient.

            And, yes, it's very possible that the diagnosis will be obsolete 20 years from now. But that doesn't take away from the fact that NOW, in 2013, the APA agrees that gender dysphoria is a legitimate diagnosis, and that legitimate treatments for it may include counseling, medication and/or surgery.

          • And who makes that diagnosis, Olivia? Why, a mental health professional, of course. So yes, it does fall under mental health.

          • Genre euphoria is listed in the ICD-9 codes as both psychiatric and medical diagnosis. It first appeared in the DSM III in 1980. Yes, Olivia,it IS in the DAM manual. For over 30 years now.
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            It's "gender dysphoria," not "genre euphoria." If you'd read my previous posts, I said it was in the DSM, but that the APA does not consider it to be a mental illness in and of itself. (Not every entry in the DSM IS a mental illness.) It was included in the DSM because it's not possible to get insurance reimbursement for treatments, counseling or surgery without a diagnosis.

          • Genre euphoria is listed in the ICD-9 codes as both psychiatric and medical diagnosis. It first appeared in the DSM III in 1980. Yes, Olivia,it IS in the DAM manual. For over 30 years now.

          • Gender dysphoria. By definition, an abnormal response to one's own gender. And psychiatry is a soft science. We can't develop studies to validate a psychiatric opinion. They don't even agree with one another half the time. And the Gospel message today may be turned on its head in 5, 10, 20 years. So kick's a point that just because a shrink says it doesn't make it so.

          • You are tenacious, I give you that. A true ideological warrior. Intellectually unarmed but a warrior nonetheless. Tell you what, you continue to enable mentally ill people to cut their genitalia off and I will continue to call it as I see it. Sick. Another impasse. Nothing left to be said on my part.

          • I know you gave it your best shot. I applaud you for that. Really. Of course it isn’t being closed minded but my refusal, in this case, to define the old insanity as the new sanity is where my POV originates.
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            My boy, if you're going around pretending that you know more about the psychological issues of transgenders than either psychologists or psychiatrists, you do indeed have a closed mind----as well as a serious ego problem.

            Like many right wingers who are contemptuous of education, you tend to oversimplify the insight that these professionals have about the human mind. You also seem to be operating under the delusion that psychiatry is completely subjective----that any ignorant jerk with a swelled head is just as capable of detecting and diagnosing mental illness as someone who spent many years learning how to diagnose and treat.

            Guess what? It ain't so.
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            As usual you exaggerate and employ a straw man and ask me if I consider ALL cosmetic surgery mutilation. I do not. For example, If one suffers an accident and undergoes reconstructive facial surgery, that is much different then a mentally ill person convincing a doctor to hack his cock off.
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            Looks like YOU'RE the one who's trotting out straw men, Kick, since I said nothing about post-trauma reconstructive facial surgery. The examples I gave were primarily about self-image, not repairing lacerations and fractures.

            Now, you can argue about this until the cows come home, but the fact remains that you DON'T have that PhD or MD after your name, nor have you spent thousands of hours interviewing and examining patients or studying diagnostic axes. All you're doing is shooting from the hip, and I dare say your main motivation is fear that somebody might think you're effeminate if you show too much tolerance for XY chromosome males who don't self-identify as men. That's why you're focusing on MTF transgenders and what they're (supposedly) doing to their penises, and haven't even mentioned FTMs.

            As I said before, you guys are a lot more transparent than you think you are.

          • I know you gave it your best shot. I applaud you for that. Really. Of course it isn't being closed minded but my refusal, in this case, to define the old insanity as the new sanity is where my POV originates.

            As usual you exaggerate and employ a straw man and ask me if I consider ALL cosmetic surgery mutilation. I do not. For example, If one suffers an accident and undergoes reconstructive facial surgery, that is much different then a mentally ill person convincing a doctor to hack his cock off.

          • Now you change your story?
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            No, I did not change my story. If it looks as if I did to you, it's probably because you haven't got the attention span to read more than two sentences in a post.
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            I harp on the chromosome question because throughout this thread you have insisted the issue is more complex.
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            It is. The social and emotional consequences of gender dysphoria are huge. Odd that you don't seem to understand that.
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            No it isn’t. I do not give a damn what the DSM V says or what the latest pop psychology flavor of the month is. By definition if someone is so gender confused that they mutilate themselves, they are mentally ill.
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            Classic right winger: shuts his mind like a steel trap, and believes only what he wants to believe (which is whatever validates his prejudices). Can there be anything more ridiculous than an ill-informed lay person fancying himself smarter than the psychiatric community when it comes to psychiatric issues?

            Tell me, Kick, would you call ALL cosmetic surgery "mutilation"? Or just the kinds that you personally think sound icky? In fact, people alter their bodies all the time----through tattoos, piercings, body building and sculpting, tanning, tummy tucks, face lifts, and particularly correction of birth defects. It DOESN'T necessarily follow that they are mentally ill.
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            If some flake psychiatrist(s) disagrees, I couldn’t care less. I look at the evidence and that is my conclusion.
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            Wrong. Not only are you failing to look at the evidence, but you also lack even basic information about these people. What you're doing is jumping to conclusions, based on unpleasant stereotypes you've heard about them.
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            If you want to humor a male to female transgender and call him her, be my guest. It doesn’t make him a girl and never will.
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            Here in the U.S., my boy, a person is free to define himself/herself as s/he chooses, provided s/he doesn't trample on anyone else's rights to do so.

            You make a mighty poor libertarian, if you're too inflexible and judgmental to accept and respect that freedom in others.

          • Now you change your story? I harp on the chromosome question because throughout this thread you have insisted the issue is more complex. No it isn't. I do not give a damn what the DSM V says or what the latest pop psychology flavor of the month is. By definition if someone is so gender confused that they mutilate themselves, they are mentally ill. If some flake psychiatrist(s) disagrees, I couldn't care less. I look at the evidence and that is my conclusion.
            If you want to humor a male to female transgender and call him her, be my guest. It doesn't make him a girl and never will.

          • No, Kick, I already answered your question, as I've pointed out once.

            But I'll do it again, provided you stop whining about the length of my posts. Here we go:

            I never said that transgenders change their DNA. I said (four times at last count) that they LEGALLY change their gender, and live AS a woman (or a man, if they're female-to-male transgenders) regardless of what their DNA says.

            Not sure why you keep dragging XY and XX chromosomes into the discussion, unless you're using it as an excuse to avoid accepting the fact that some people do this.

    • I know! Every time I decide to leave it alone, my mailbox fills up with new responses.

      But you know what? You guys might not like me, but it's got to be a little more interesting to have to defend your views to an outsider, than just thumbs-upping everyone else in the group for agreeing with each other. That can get tedious after a while, which is exactly why I pop in here every now and then. It's good to know what the political opposition is thinking and saying.

  • Did anyone check if liberal men will still have to pay for castration out of pocket or will it be covered under Obamacare?

    • Nah, liberal men are confident enough in themselves that they don't need to consider testicular surgery. It's certain far right wing men that have that fetish for owning big guns, and flaunting them in public, to compensate for, shall we say, what nature forgot.............. ;>)

      Zezozose? Cute name. I take it you're a fan of Charles Manson's?

          • Nah, I just figured you were coming on to Poopajoe.

            You know what they say about far right wingers and closets...... ;>)

          • Looky Livie libturd is talking to herself again....Obsessive compulsive disorder...at its finest....

          • I actually miss Crowley..he didn't post three pages of libturd talking points..just one insane comment that was easily thumbed down....I would gladly trade him for it...

          • Oh, by all means. Why would you ever want to allow any opposing opinions on a political discussion board? :>P

          • I’m the only poster currently here who’s got the nerve to challenge the conventional wisdom.
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            Poopajoe--> More like the only one here who hasn’t seen the light.
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            Or maybe (to coin a really, really shopworn right wing cliche) who hasn't "drunk the Koolaid"?

          • Nobody said anything about disallowing dissenting opinions. Just a bit of a knowledge check, nothing major.

          • Kimmy, if Mr. Editor would make it a requirement to accurately quote the US Constitution before one is eligible to post, like a random constitution question generator on each article, it would completely block these trolls. Like Dracula retreating form a cross, leftists cannot accurately comprehend and are deathly afraid of the US Constitution.

          • Olivia, just because you challenge us doesn't mean you are correct in your "reality check." In fact it almost alwasy shows your ignorance of the subject beng discussed. Who do you think you're fooling?

          • I’m the only poster currently here who’s got the nerve to challenge the conventional wisdom.

            More like the only one here who hasn't seen the light.

          • I'll be happy to discuss the Constitution with you any time you like, Missile. It's been my experience, though, that many right wingers aren't nearly as well informed about it as they pretend to be. Often, they're just parroting the latest drivel they heard from Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh.

          • LOL Kimmy!
            And she accuses us of groupthink!
            That has been the MO of leftists in this country since Wilson.
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            Look around, Poopajoe. I'm the only poster currently here who's got the nerve to challenge the conventional wisdom.

            That doesn't sound like groupthink to me. Groupthink is a dozen posters all giving thumbs-up ratings to each other, whether or not they're saying anything intelligent or accurate.

            Sort of shows that you value conformity much more than you value thinking or exchange of ideas.

          • Kimmy I do believe that some libturd organization like media matters pays for a troll per site...Look at any conservative site and there is one constant troll that says almost the same crap word for word on any subject as Livie the Libturd.....Crowley got fired cause he didn't do his job properly so they brought back her....There is no doubt that she is a paid hack, she is not a nurse, just a Soros bag lady.......

          • LOL Kimmy!
            And she accuses us of groupthink!
            That has been the MO of leftists in this country since Wilson.

          • The earnest nature of the troll and the tag teaming with other trolls makes it obvious that it is a stupid effort to get Conservatives to say something that can be used against us so... TD MO

          • Ever stop to think that the reason liberals here all say the same thing is that they see you righties all spouting the same untruths?

            It's pretty funny, actually. But, then again, you're all parroting the same propaganda from the same Koch-financed outlets.

            (And, no, I don't get paid to post here.)

          • I wonder if that is an artist's rendering of the troll, that trolls this site right now?

            As we know, signs asking people not to do something, very seldom work, but hey it is worth a shot.

          • Oh, I don't doubt it. There's nothing worse than a discussion participant who won't go with the groupthink....and actually posts evidence to show why and how the groupthink is inaccurate. ;>)

          • Transvestite. You guys don't get it, Transgendered looks mmore like a girl that real girls. I pomise you ou could be fooled! Hell, I've seen very macho guys fooled by a transvestite, let alone transgendered!

          • Absolutely, Rose. I once had a woman patient (mid 60s) who developed flash pulmonary edema and had to be transferred to ICU. (This was back when I worked on the floor.) An ICU nurse, who had recently relocated from a big teaching hospital, put in a Foley while I was giving report. I noticed a weird expression on her face, and she said, "Is this patient by any chance a transgender?"

            Well, she WAS. (The nurse who'd given me report just a couple of hours earlier had said something about transgender, but I'd assumed she was kidding. Not THIS woman, who looked just like any other sixtyish woman. And the only reason this nurse had recognized it was that she'd worked with transgenders in a previous job.

            I would have defied anyone to pick this woman out of a lineup of "cisgender" women. And, yes, I've seen transgenders who looked kind of weird----lantern jaws and prominent Adam's apples, for example, don't translate very well into feminine beauty----but many look great.

      • Wrong, JP. But "unnecessary surgeries" aren't likely to be covered by insurance, any more than they have been over the past 30 years.

        Don't believe everything those spam e mails tell you about miracle penis extender surgeries. ;>)

  • This... is not normal.

    Okay I have heard of males who have "breast cancer" because of diet and/or environment and/or genes they have developed breasts (they are obese and perhaps diabetic) and they became diseased. However that is due to diet and/or environment and/or genes. Sad of course, but due to events out of the person's control or due to ignorance in lifestyle choices. Even under those circumstances, a mammogram shouldn't be "free".

    Now... If you CHOOSE to become a woman and you were born a man, uhm.... ahh.... yeah... it shouldn't be free either. I shouldn't have to pay for what other people choose to want ESPECIALLY when they choose to put themselves in a position that could give them a disease that had they not messed with nature they could have completely avoided.

    I feel the same way about people who got addicted to something. Yeah that is sad, but why must I pay for something that you chose to indulge in? I don't mind giving money to charities to help you if you are addicted, but it shouldn't be through government funds and taxation and without my permission.

    This is not normal and it is messed up and I resent the fact that I am essentially being asked to participate in the abnormality of others and I have nothing to say about it.

    • I shouldn’t have to pay for what other people choose to want ESPECIALLY when they choose to put themselves in a position that could give them a disease that had they not messed with nature they could have completely avoided.
      **************
      Oh, okay----so you're saying that you "shouldn't have to pay" for treatment of cancers that occur as the result of smoking, or exposure to radiation?

      That you "shouldn't have to pay" for treatment of victims of motor vehicle crashes, because if they had been walking as God intended instead of riding in an "unnatural" car, they wouldn't have crashed?

      That you "shouldn't have to pay" for care for suicidal patients who took the "unnatural" step of taking medication for major depression?

      That you "shouldn't have to pay" for people unnaturally injecting insulin into themselves, instead of sticking with the natural effect of a malfunctioning pancreas?

      Sorry, Kimmy, but it isn't your choice to make. There is no evidence out there that transgender people are mentally ill, or just making a frivolous "choice" out of boredom, the way some people choose to go get tattoos. You don't have to approve of these people, but it's just dishonest to try to deny them appropriate medical diagnostics, or to charge them more for those diagnostics that you would charge other people whose lifestyles you approve of.

      • The troll posts to me as if it really thinks I will spend time reading nonsense :-/ Hilarious! Move on troll. I have no interest in trollish posts.

        • Now, Kimmy, I don't think anything of the sort. If you actually read my posts, you would have known that
          1) drug addiction has nothing to do with "choosing to indulge"
          2) "transvestite" and "transgender" aren't the same thing
          3) you don't get to pick and choose which medical procedures you, as a taxpayer, will subsidize
          4) it's much more cost-effective to provide mammograms without charge, since irregularities are detected much more quickly that way

        • I have been busy with TD's and in fact if this keeps up Mr. Editor is going to have to pay me..hehehe

          • This is rich. He expects to be paid for playing silly games on a message board, yet can't tolerate the idea of subsidizing health care for the poor and uninsured. ;>)

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