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• CONSTITUTIONAL TEXAN: We have vaccine exemptions in ALL US states. Thus NOT ONE vaccine is “MANDATORY.” Are you for real calling me selfish for NOT loading my kid up with MORE brain damaging toxins AFTER seeing him get thrown into a prison of his own brain because of vaccines??? Are you a total idiot or what?
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  OBLIVIOUS OLIVIA: No, Texan. I’m just perhaps more aware than you are that that original “study” claiming a link between vaccinations and autism was discredited and retracted a long time ago. I’m also aware (as you don’t seem to be) that it wasn’t much of a study in the first place—-but it was so aggressively hawked and sensationalized among the anti-government set that it created needless hysteria.
  http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/cc-mmr.htm

  And, no, I don’t see you as a selfish person. I see you as a very frightened person—frightened of the government, frightened of public schools, of vaccinations, of the FDA, of nurses, of doctors, of medications, of psych units—-and dead certain that anyone who doesn’t share your rather unusual beliefs is part of a conspiracy to destroy you and your family.

  CONSTITUTIONAL TEXAN: Your exact term above was "selfish" in reference to me as a parent for NOT vaccinating my kid AFTER you KNEW vaccines already harmed him greatly. Re-read your OWN words. Give a thanks to this board for also not posting another of my responses giving you a truck load of other evidence to back up what I have said about vaccines. We'll see if they post this one because I too am sick of doing the work that you as a person the medical field should have done for yourself a LONG time ago. The only one here who is frightened of what they may have to see in the truth is you Olivia. Indeed, we can see why considering this has to do with your profession. You can keep trying to put words in my mouth but it doesn't make it so. It just helps you to stay in denial to convince yourself that I must be some very paranoid parent when you yourself cannot accept the truth before your very eyes.

  Unfortunately you continue to prove me right..

  If you would have looked more you would have seen this same sham study you just shared has been utterly refuted already. ...Dr. Andrew Wakefield was vindicated and his original study was backed up again and AGAIN! The reporter who went after him was also proven to be a liar who had direct ties to the drug companies. (big shock eh?) But of course you only stopped "after" you got the answer you wanted right?

  Funny...how you claim you do not accept my evidence because you believe in hearing ALL sides right Olivia?

  Yea..go ahead and quit responding while you are behind because you have yet to provide any proof to back up your propaganda.

  Dr Wakefield demands retraction from BMJ after documents prove ...
  Innocence From Allegations of Autism Data Fraud

  In light of new evidence that has emerged clearing Dr Wakefield of the allegations that he fabricated study data involving MMR vaccines and symptoms of autism, Dr Wakefield is now publicly demanding a retraction from the British Medical Journal and author Brian Deer. Documents just made public reveal that another medical research team which included a senior pathologist independently documented evidence of a possible MMR vaccine - autism link 14 months before Dr Wakefield's paper first appears in The Lancet-- BASED ON SEVERAL OF THE SAME CHILDREN APPEARING IN DR.WAKEFIELD'S STUDY.

  Learn more:http://www.naturalnews.com/031117_BMJ_Dr_Andrew_Wakefield.html#ixzz1PqNGiz5k

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  You can find links to all of the REST OF headlines BELOW at this one link:
  http://www.whale.to/a/wakefield.html

  2011 Jan] Big Pharma Vilified Researcher for Threatening Vaccine Program By Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

  [2011 Jan] Documents emerge proving Dr Andrew Wakefield innocent; BMJ and Brian Deer caught misrepresenting the facts

  [pdf 2011 Jan] DR. ANDREW WAKEFIELD WAS RIGHT. BRIAN DEER IS THE LIAR. THERE WAS NO FRAUD. NO HOAX. HERE’S PROOF.

  Sunday Times’ London Editor Must Quit Over False “Wakefield MMR Data Fixing” Story

  [2011 Jan] The Great Pretender: Brian Deer's Wakefield Soap Opera By Martin J Walker MA.

  [2010 May. Letter] Wakefield’s Lancet Paper Vindicated – [Yet Again]

  [2010 May. Letter] Response to feature Wakefield’s "autistic enterocolitis" under the microscope from ESPGHAN we are surprised that such a respected scientific journal as the BMJ would accept and publish such a sensitive paper while the researchers in question are being examined by the GMC. Moreover, we feel that publishing this article, by a journalist with a declared interest in the GMC case, just prior to the final judgment by the GMC of the researchers involved is both unjust and inappropriate.

  [2010 April pdf] BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL PUBLISHES FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT MMR DOCTOR "It is extraordinary that a journal like the BMJ should have reduced itself to this sort of tabloid medicine from an entirely unqualified and biased source. The egregious errors in Deer's report should cause embarrassment to the BMJ's editors. In a relentless and misguided effort to distract attention from vaccine safety issues, agenda-driven journalism has once again made a mockery of medicine."

  [2010 April. Video transcripts] Dr Andrew Wakefield - In His own words

  [2010 Feb Letter] Did retracting the paper matter? by F. Edward Yazbak

  [2010 Feb] The Lancet Retraction Changes Nothing by David Kirby there are now at least six published legal or scientific cases of children regressing into ASD following vaccination - and many more will be revealed in due time....Nobody seriously thinks that the retraction of The Lancet article, and the international flogging of Dr. Andrew Wakefield, will do anything to make this debate go away. And they are right.

  [Cryshame] On the 13th March 2009 Dr Andrew Wakefield filed a formal complaint to the UK Press Complaints Commission alleging that a freelance reporter (Mr. Brian Deer) made false accusations of scientific fraud against Dr Wakefield in articles published in the UK Sunday Times. Dr Wakefield further alleges in this addendum that Mr. Deer failed to disclose in the Sunday Times conflicts of interest with respect to his role in the GMC investigation. He also alleges that Mr. Deer continues to mislead the public by denying his role in the GMC proceedings against Dr Wakefield and his colleagues.
  Correspondence between the GMC and Mr Deer can be found here.

  See also: A Character Assassin Caught in the Act (by Dan Olmstead and Mark Blaxill); and Brian Deer:Conflicted "Journalist", Industry Toady or Modern Day Madame DeFarge (by Jim Moody)

  Dr Andrew Wakefield Demolishes Ignorant US Vaccine Lobby

• We have vaccine exemptions in ALL US states. Thus NOT ONE vaccine is “MANDATORY.” Are you for real calling me selfish for NOT loading my kid up with MORE brain damaging toxins AFTER seeing him get thrown into a prison of his own brain because of vaccines??? Are you a total idiot or what?
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  No, Texan. I'm just perhaps more aware than you are that that original "study" claiming a link between vaccinations and autism was discredited and retracted a long time ago. I'm also aware (as you don't seem to be) that it wasn't much of a study in the first place----but it was so aggressively hawked and sensationalized among the anti-government set that it created needless hysteria.
  http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/cc-mmr.htm

  And, no, I don't see you as a selfish person. I see you as a very frightened person---frightened of the government, frightened of public schools, of vaccinations, of the FDA, of nurses, of doctors, of medications, of psych units----and dead certain that anyone who doesn't share your rather unusual beliefs is part of a conspiracy to destroy you and your family.

  For that reason, Texan, I'm not going to respond any more to your posts. I truly believe you have some issues with paranoia, and for that reason I think it's best not to engage you in more arguments.

  I wish you and your family the best.

• Constitutional Texan: thus they illegal use the term “mandatory” when addressing vaccinations with parents.
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  Oblivious Olivia: “Illegally” in your opinion. The point of requiring vaccinations is to avoid putting other kids at risk, through YOUR selfish refusal to protect your own kids. Some kids can’t take vaccines because of allergies. And it’s no secret that the anti-vaccination set coach parents to lie and claim their kids are allergic to eggs.
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  Constitutional Texan: I did not stutter... and it is not "my opinion" it is a FACT. Schools consistently use the term "mandatory with vaccines ILLEGALLY". We have vaccine exemptions in ALL US states. Thus NOT ONE vaccine is "MANDATORY." Are you for real calling me selfish for NOT loading my kid up with MORE brain damaging toxins AFTER seeing him get thrown into a prison of his own brain because of vaccines??? Are you a total idiot or what? You may be the type of nut that would allow your kid to be poisoned AGAIN but some of us learn the FIRST time around. Good grief. I shudder to think of the safety of any patient under your care. About those parents who would LIE to protect their kids from the toxins of vaccines...what does this tell you about what has happened to our FREEDOMS Olivia? Get your head out of your rear and realize that just because indigents like yourself keep protecting this act of poisoning our kids there are parents who ARE seeing the victims of vaccines ALL around them and they do not want THEIR kids to be NEXT. It is pathetic and disgusting that any family would ever face FORCE when it comes to injected toxins in their kids when it will be that family that is then FORCED to take on ALL responsibility for the freaken DAMAGES of those toxic shots. If vaccine damages were so RARE these drug companies would not need ungodly protections from their VICTIMS now would they Olivia?

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  Constitutional Texan: The Mother let them vaccinate her thriving child and those vaccines threw that precious kid into neurological distress. The mother also made the mistake of seeking help through the state AFTER the vaccines damaged her child. In steps Social Services to help them slap a new label on that kid and start drugging her out of her mind. The mother was devastated…the child was no longer even a close resemblance of herself and she wanted her kid OFF the drugs. What does the state do? They send Social Services in, with a SWAT team to take the child from the home. It ended up with them refusing to show a warrant, the mother is terrified they will take her already harmed child away. She fired a warning shot up through the wall (no one was hurt) she wanted them to back off and prove they had a legal right to come into her home. They then came in with overkill of military FORCE to take her child away from her by force.
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  Oblivious Olivia: You’re telling us one side of an anecdote, Texan.

  So, if you can produce a news article covering all sides of the story, fine—-maybe there’s something to what you say. Otherwise, it’s little more than idle gossip.
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  Constitutional Texan: Are you unable to type in a FEW KEY WORDS to see the hardcore facts for yourself? Good grief...they have an entire website built around this case right now because it was such a nightmare for this family who was torn apart because they dared to reach out to the state for help AFTER vaccines already damaged their child.

  Here's a couple of articles on it...do the rest of your OWN work if this is NOT enough for you.

  Detroit SWAT team assaults African American mom who refused to ...medicate Her Daughter with Anti-Psychotic Drugs. 2011

  The medical police state is alive and well in Detroit today, where Child Protective Services (CPS) called in the police to aid in their kidnapping of a 13-year-old daughter from an African American mother who refused to medicate her with dangerous psychiatric drugs.

  The police did NOT have a warrant or any court documents whatsoever granting them any right to enter Maryanne's home, according to Godboldo's attorneys.

  A SWAT team was then called in, carrying semiautomatic rifles and sniper gear. A 12-hour standoff ensued.

  Maryanne eventually surrendered to the SWAT team, and the state took her daughter to a psychiatric hospital where she is now being molested by the staff there, her mother says.

  CPS lied about the child's father's ability to take care of her as a tactic to kidnap her from her mother.

  What kind of system of medicine is so bad that prescriptions have to beenforced at gunpoint?

  Learn more:http://www.naturalnews.com/032089_antipsychotic_drugs_health_freedom.html#ixzz1PpCYeEE8

  Then check out THIS one..

  Court files PROVE Maryanne Godboldo had full legal authority to ...STOP Administering Dangerous Drugs to her Daughter

  Recently-released court documents prove that the consent form Maryanne signed agreeing to give her daughter the highly-dangerous anti-psychotic drug Risperdal was optional, and that she was always free to cease using them at any time.

  In other words, the raid conducted by state-sanctioned thugs on behalf of Child Protective Services (CPS) was nothing more than an illegal kidnapping by armed terrorists who violated Maryanne and her family's legal, civil, and God-given rights.

  Learn more:http://www.naturalnews.com/032191_CPS_kidnapping.html#ixzz1PpD6sZGK

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  Oblivious Olivia: And, by the way, they don’t call them “mental wards” any more—–that’s Hollywood talk. They’re called pediatric psychiatric units.

  Constitutional Texan: Really? THIS is what you are so-concerned about? The "terminology" used for mental wards? Good grief. Indeed, can we talk about how they continue to do the SAME barbaric treatments to our children and they get away with it because they change the TERMINOLOGY of these hell holes to sound more HUMANE? Good God. This is like calling an intended poisoning "a helpful dose of lethal toxins". It's the SAME inhumane treatment of precious children..in a different era...that has been given a nice sounding new term. Idiots like you fell for it too now didn't ya?

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  Oblivious Olivia: Nonsense again, Texan. Vaccinations are required, not because the school gets “kickbacks” (especially since the poor get them free from county health departments and other agencies), but to protect the children from preventable diseases.
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  Constitutional Texan: Think again...first of all get it through your thick head that vaccines are NOT REQUIRED. We have exemptions in ALL US states. Secondly, think again about your uninformed assumption because they link school nurses records with immunization registries. Just as they get more funds for higher attendance rates they also get more money for higher vaccination rates. "Where" they get those vaccines has nothing to do with incentives the schools get for showing higher vaccinated rates. Their budget is dependent upon the rates..not who gives the toxic shots. It is through the schools that the pressure is put on parents via letters and calls made to get them to hit their kids with vaccines under the lie of making them think their kid will not be able to come back to school. Which is rather pathetic when you think about it Olivia because all that thug-like pressure goes away just as soon as a vaccine exemption is produced!

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  Constitutional Texan: Not one parent was told their right to refuse them ALL with exemptions. They went so far as to set up a makeshift clinic IN the court room, without telling the parents who thought they were showing to appeal insane charges of not vaccinating their kids. After inside they were goven the option to vaccinate or go to JAIL. Here’s the kicker..many of those kids WERE vaccinated and the parents were asking for time to get their records. Court did not care…they loaded them up AGAIN.

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  Oblivious Olivia: And, again, I don’t want to hear your histrionic account of the story, Texan. Show me an unbiased account of the actual incident, and I’ll read it. The account should contain an explanation of the legal grounds for the court’s decision, which you seem to be leaving out of these anecdotes.
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  Constitutional Texan: Here's just one account of the case of using the courts to force vaccines on children in Maryland that you did NOT look for once again because it's obvious you will refuse to look for anything your feeble mind cannot bare seeing.

  Children herded like cattle into Maryland courthouse for forced ...vaccinations as armed police and attack dogs stand guard.

  Following the State of Maryland's threats against parents who refuse to have their children vaccinated, children were herded into a Price George County courthouse being guarded by armed personnel with attack dogs. Inside, the children were forcibly vaccinated, many against their will, under orders from the State Attorney General, various State Judges and the local School Board Director, all of whom illegally conspired to threaten parents with imprisonment if they did not submit their children to vaccinations.

  The State of Maryland has now turned to Gestapo tactics to force its medical will upon the People, stripping parents of any right to decide how they wish to protect their own children from infectious disease.

  The entire campaign against these parents is blatantly illegal. There is no law in Maryland requiring the vaccination of children, thus parents who refuse to do so may not be legally charged with violating any law. Instead, Maryland health and school authorities are using Gestapo-like tactics, threatening to charge the parents with child truancy violations, criminalizing them for daring to protect their children from the dangerous chemicals found in vaccines

  Learn more:http://www.naturalnews.com/022267.html#ixzz1PpB81CAq

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  Constitutional Texan: Go back and think about how you will Tell ME what you think you know about what is happening with these families and I will continue to show you how ignorant you really are. You can become a part of the solution Olivia or you can remain a part of the problem. The choice is yours.
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  Oblivious Olivia: But I don’t know ANYTHING about what is happening with those families, Texan, because you’ve provided only an emotionally-charged (and very one-sided) account. Sorry. If nursing school didn’t teach me anything else (and it taught me plenty), it drilled the scientific method into my head. Therefore, I refuse to swallow hysterical arguments without first looking at the facts.

  So it’s YOUR choice. Do you have the WHOLE, UNBIASED story behind these cases, or are you going to continue to insist that I swallow YOUR highly sensationalized version of it?

  Constitutional Texan: You bet it's "emotionally charged" for parents who have been on the RECEIVING end of this insanity Olivia. Just wait and see how you will react when you are the one who sees your own child precious become so severely damaged that they do not even know who you are! Then you see your insurance company say screw off... we ONLY pay to damage these kids with toxic vaccines but we will not pay for vaccine damages. Then you see your own government run full cover for drug companies to the extent of creating a sham kangaroo court where you know that 8 out of 10 families will be denied ANY help for their precious kids. Yea...hummm... I wonder WHY this would make it an "emotionally charged" issue for any family. Meanwhile, those doctors and nurses who told you those vaccines were so-called SAFE keep giving them out to MORE innocent victims. Yea GREAT system we have here Olivia and you are right smack in the middle of helping it to get even worse.

  Time up...cough up your own proof. Thus far the ONLY one providing ANY evidence here is ME. You talk a lot of crap with NO proof provided on your end for your propaganda. So cough it UP. Do dare to reveal sources YOU trust because it is quite obvious that the truth can be given to you by the FDA and the drug companies themselves and you STILL remain in hardcore denial. That mercury on the mind makes it very hard to think now doesn't it dear flu shot riddled Olivia?

• Oblivious Olivia: In looking through all your proof-that-vaccines-are-bad list of links yesterday, I noticed that many of the writers of the opinion pieces had NO credentials in the the medical or health care fields. One, for example, held only an associate degree in psychology. Why do you hasten to believe her, but not licensed MDs and pharmacists who claim otherwise?
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  Constitutional Texan: Oh Oblivious Olivia, it isn't all 'my proof". Do Ya need some more MD's, specialists..how about some studies by government agencies? Indeed, not enough PROOF for ya? Do you Want to water down ALL of them because you didn't like what you saw? Did you get your nursing degree by having everyone ELSE do your homework for you?

  Who are you going to "continue" to believe Olivia..Drug companies who profit off the suffering of innocents..or their victims who have already suffered? How many MORE victims have to line up to be ENOUGH proof for you? Will you have to lose someone dear to YOUR heart to GET it...or will you let a loved one die in vain for the sacrifice of the so-called "greater good"? WHOSE greater "good" are we talking about here when those sacrifices represent millions of innocent children, elderly and our own veterans?

  Did you even LOOK into the Simpsonwood meeting June 2000 ?

  What's the matter...would it make your brain go into melt down mode to see the CDC, AMA and so-called "EXPERTS" show you the TRUTH in how they KNEW vaccines were causing autism WAY back then and they did NOTHING to protect our CHILDREN? Instead they protected the vaccine industry again!

  Do YOU know MORE then a neurosurgeon?
  THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP By Russell Blaylock, M.D.

  [2011 March] Vaccines are the Alarming Hidden Cause of Breast Cancer By Russell L. Blaylock, MD, CCN

  How Vaccines Can Damage Your Brain: Vaccines, Depression and Neurodegeneration After Age 50: Another Reason to Avoid the Recommended Vaccines By Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

  [April 14, 2008] Mitochondria and Vaccines by Russell L. Blaylock M.D.

  What They Don’t Tell You About Vaccination Dangers Can Kill You or Ruin Your Life By Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

  [March 2008] Vaccines, Neurodevelopment and Autism Spectrum Disorders by Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

  Regimentation in Medicine and the Death of Creativity by Russell L. Blaylock, MD

  Here is where you will find published papers by Dr. Blaylock:

  http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

  Dr. Blaylock was indeed a thorn in the side of the drug industry during their last scam flu hoax.

  DO FLU SHOTS WORK?

  NOT in babies: In a review of more than 51 studies involving more than 294,000 children it was found there was “no evidence that injecting children 6-24 months of age with a flu shot was any more effective than placebo. In children over 2 yrs, it was only effective 33% of the time in preventing the flu. Reference: Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy children." The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 2 (2008).

  NOT in children with asthma (2): “The inactivated flu vaccine, Flumist, does not prevent influenza-related hospitalizations in children, especially the ones with asthma…In fact, children who get the flu vaccine are more at risk for hospitalization than children who do not get the vaccine.” Reference: The American Thoracic Society’s 105th International Conference, May 15-20, 2009, San Diego.

  NOT in the Elderly: In a review of 64 studies in 98 flu seasons, for elderly living in nursing homes, flu shots were non-significant for preventing the flu. For elderly living in the community, vaccines were not (significantly) effective against influenza, ILI or pneumonia. Reference: “Vaccines for preventing influenza in the elderly.” The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 3(2006).

  What about the new Swine Flu shot?

  MF-59 is an oil-based adjuvant primarily composed of squalene, Tween 80 and Span85.

  •All oil adjuvants injected into rats were found toxic. All rats developed an MS-like disease that left them crippled, dragging their paralyzed hindquarters across their cages.
  •Squalene caused severe arthritis (3 on scale of 4). Squalene in humans at 10-20 ppb (parts per billion) lead to severe immune responses, such as autoimmune arthritis and lupus.

  HOW ABOUT THE COCHRANE COLLABORATION? IS THIS A GOOD ENOUGH "SOURCE" FOR YA? Since a majority of those references above were from the Cochrane Collaboration and I know you are too lazy to do ANY real research on your OWN..here ya go!

  The Cochrane Collaboration

  The Cochrane Collaboration, is an international, independent, not-for-profit organization of over 28,000 contributors from more than 100 countries, dedicated to making up-to-date, accurate information about the effects of health care readily available worldwide."

  Working for the Cochrane Collaboration, an epidemiologist named Dr. Tom Jefferson decided to take a close look at the scientific evidence behind influenza vaccines (seasonal flu vaccines).

  Now here comes the interesting part: Even though NEARLY HALF THE STUDIES WEWRE FUNDED BY THE VACCINE INDUSTRY ITSELF, the study results show that in MOST circumstances, INFLUENZA VACCINES ARE VIRTUALLY WORTHLESS:

  The study's conclusions go on to state:

  • "Vaccination had...NO effect on hospital admissions OR complication rates."

  • "Vaccine use did NOT affect the number of people hospitalized OR working days lost."

  • "The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but THERE IS EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD MANIPULATION OF CONCLUSIONS."

  • "There is NO evidence that [influenza vaccines] affect complications, such as pneumonia, or transmission." (Got that? Vaccines do NOT affect transmission of the disease, yet that's the WHOLE reason vaccines are pushed so heavily during pandemics -- to block disease transmission.)

  See the study detail page at: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/o/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD001269/frame.html
  Mind you, that information is about just ONE vaccine..I used the flu vaccine because this is one vaccine they want to hit all Americans with EVERY year. The "accumulative" effects of hitting us all every year matters when they have added a truck load of extra vaccines to our children's already way overloaded vaccine schedule.

  DO YOU KNOW MORE THEN DR. BOYD HALEY?

  "You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe. It's just too toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if one could inject it into an infant without causing damage."

  ----Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Kentucky and one of the world's leading authorities on mercury toxicity.

  "Studies on the toxicity of mercury to mammalian neurons in culture demonstrate that low nanomolar levels can have lethal effects. Experiments using this system have also demonstrated, in agreement with published literature, that many antibiotics, other heavy metals and chemicals increase the toxicity of mercury and thimerosal (ethyl mercury). Additionally, in this same system the female hormone estrogen decreases thimerosal's toxic effects. In contrast, the male hormone testosterone greatly increases the toxicity. This may explain the 4 to 1 ratio of boys to girls that become autistic and the observation that boys represent the vast majority of the severe cases of autism. "

  ---Boyd Haley, Ph.D. (Testimony Before the House Government Reform Committee)

  Mercury - What is its role in Autism and Alzheimer's Disease? Boyd Haley, Ph.D., a biochemist at the University of Kentucky, is one of the world's top experts on mercury toxicity. Hear this fascinating review of the irrefutable evidence that links mercury toxicity to Autism and Alzheimer's disease. 1 hour video (NOTE: this video can only be watched with Internet Explorer browser. You'll have to click on the "Play" link in the left column)

  Dr. Boyd Haley on Mercury toxicity & Autism: Part 1

  LINK: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4115912987954370615#

  THEY SURE WANT TO FIND THE CAUSE DON'T THEY OLIVIA?? SEE HOW THE NIH STOPPED FUNDING FOR THIS RESEARCH...THEN TELL ME HOW MUCH YOU CAN TRUST THIS INDUSTRY OF SHAME AND DECIET??

  Boyd Haley PhD NIH stops funding studies linking ... mercury to Alzheimer's Disease

  LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AQxkIcXrt0

  RFK, Jr.: Science Shows That Autism -- Mercury Link Exists - PT. 1/2
  LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9njQLK9AVyg

  Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. discusses the causes that the pharmaceutical industry wants us to believe are not true with Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor Emeritus at the University of Kentucky.

  click here for part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E39aLkZWhXs

  THESE LINKS WORK OLIVIA...WHAT WILL YOUR NEXT EXCUSE BE? IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO COUGH UP PROOF THAT VACCINES WORK, ARE SAFE, AND THEY ARE NOT CAUSING ALL THESE DAMAGES. THESE ARE CRITICAL KEY AREAS THAT HAVE YET TO BE MANDATED OF DRUG COMPANIES TO PROVIDE FOR US. JUST SHOWING ONE TOXIC VACCINE IS A little less toxic then another vaccine is NO proof of safety, effectiveness. Not being forced to prove these vaccines are NOT causing all these damages is even worse. But indigents like you seem to be a-ok with it eh? Scientific evidence my FOOT.

• Constitutional Texan: Here’s a newsflash for ya…just as these patients have a real choice to heal..this country is fastly filling up with more nurses and doctors who are going outside the box of their mainstream indoctrination because they are fed up with seeing more and more sick children. They are realizing where these damages are coming from and they do want to see these kids get well. Thus look online if you dare to allow yourself to see the reality because many highly respected mainstream doctors and nurses are deciding that they will no longer participate in the destruction of our children and they are speaking out to a great sacrifice of their careers because they are putting our children FIRST instead of protecting an industry that is putting them dead LAST.

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  Oblivious Olivia: But you just argued that nurses aren’t “trained” to know these things. Why is it that you immediately dismiss any possiblity that I know what I’m talking about, but will swallow what any other nurse (or doctor) says, if what they’re saying is what you want to believe?

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  Constitutional Texan: NOPE they are NOT trained to look for what "drug companies" do not want them to find because of their "training" in school via medical text books that were created BY drug companies FOR drug companies. Those nurses and doctors who HAVE learned MORE then their "training" have done what you refuse to do. They did their OWN homework Olivia because they were fed up with seeing sicker and sicker patients.

  Here's the funny thing about the hypocrisy of your profession Olivia... nurses and doctors do not think TWICE about getting parents to line THEIR kids up for toxic shots but when it comes to forcing nurses and doctors to get them...your profession then reveals what you know about just how dangerous these shots are when you start to refuse them by a landslide and refuse to roll up your own sleeve. I can only imagine you must be one of the idiots who blindly rolled up your sleeve for your vaccines Olivia because you are indeed exhibiting some serious brain damage well noted to be linked to vaccines. Excuse me all to hell for giving you more credit to have a brain cell left to conduct critical thinking and demand proof of safety in vaccines. I won't make that mistake again.

  Sixty Percent of Doctors Refuse to Get Flu Shots by Mike Adams the ... 2008

  If flu shots are so good for you, then why do sixty percent of doctors and nurses refuse to get them? ABC News is reporting that only forty percent of health care professionals opted to be vaccinated against the flu last year.

  It's yet another case of health professionals telling patients to do one thing while they do something entirely different themselves. For example, according to surveys published earlier this year, most oncologists would never undergo chemotherapy.

  Here's another..

  Swine Flu Vaccine Mandate for NY Health Care Workers Halted by ...Judges restraining order

  The lawsuit was brought by thePublic Employees Federation,New York State United Teachersand four Albany nurses. Until today, these workers were required to be vaccinated by November 30th or many were told they would be fired from their jobs.

  Learn more:http://www.naturalnews.com/027259_health_flu_vaccine_vaccines.html#ixzz1PpHyxIhu

  And another... Isn't it funny how nurses associations suddenly stop in their tracks and tell their members to NOT get vaccines when they become the intended victims of vaccines?? Think about how that would be for our CHILDREN if they did the same thing for THEM?

  "Nurses Urged to Refuse Vaccinations"
  Dallas Morning News (www.dallasnews.com) (02/01/03)

  Some resistance against Texas' plan to vaccinate as many as 40,000 health-care workers against smallpox is building among THE TEXAN NURSING ASSOCIATION AND 5000 MEMBERS ARE BEING URGED TO DECLINE THE SHOTS.

  AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, NURSES ASSOCIATIONS ARE ALSO DISCOURAGING MEMBERS AGAINST BECOMING IMMUNIZED until all questions about the vaccine are answered.

  Why would Medical doctors reject vaccination?

  It is a well kept secret that medical doctors have been the greatest vaccination critics, there were 14 medical people on the board of the The National Anti-Vaccination League in 1936, and after a 100 years or so of smallpox vaccination, why, and this is one vaccinators can't answer, did a notable scientist of his day, Wallace, and many notable medical doctors Pearce, Collins, Creighton, Crookshank, Hadwen, Beddow Bayly, TURN AGAINST their profession's holy creed, and become anti-vaccine?

  Perhaps they liked being persecuted, they tried to silence Hadwen by charging him with manslaughter. [See: Rex versus Hadwen manslaughter charge]. Ask yourself why someone, (eg Dr Mendelson), who was raised on vaccination would become a critic or opponent of vaccination?

  "Historically, doctors who have dared to change things significantly have been ostracized and have had to sacrifice their careers in order to hold to their ideas.

  "The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization.....There is NO convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating ANY childhood disease."--Dr Robert Mendelsohn, M.D.

  • Good grief the COMMON SIDE EFFECTS of the flu vaccine are the SAME as getting the FLU… do tell me how you tell the difference between the flu symptoms caused by a vaccine and the flu symptoms of flu caught in the wild?
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    Side effects of the vaccine (when they occur) are generally much milder than an actual case of the flu, Texan. (You'd know this if you had any personal experience---other than combing the internet for scary-sounding stories---with it.) The most drastic side effect I've had was feeling a bit run down the evening after getting it: no upper respiratory symptoms, no aches or pains; just mild fatigue, which was gone the next day. Some people have some soreness at the injection site; some don't. Some have no symptoms at all. The most drastic adverse reaction I've seen (and, just for the sake of clarity, an adverse reaction is NOT the same thing as a side effect) was a raised rash. The little boy who came to the ER with this rash was given oral medications to treat it, and the parent advised that the boy should not get the flu shot in the future.

    Again, let me remind you: No one is putting a gun to your head forcing you or your family members to get a flu shot. So, if you're frightened of it, just don't get it. Seems kind of silly to keep beefing about something that's so easy to avoid.
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    Here’s the funny thing about the hypocrisy of your profession Olivia… nurses and doctors do not think TWICE about getting parents to line THEIR kids up for toxic shots but when it comes to forcing nurses and doctors to get them…your profession then reveals what you know about just how dangerous these shots are when you start to refuse them by a landslide and refuse to roll up your own sleeve.
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    I "roll up my sleeve" and get a flu shot every year, Texan. And, yes, there are some coworkers who choose not to take the shot (or who just don't get around to getting it). That's hardly a "landslide" of protest. As for the doctors: most of those I work with do opt for the vaccine. But I've never yet seen a doctor FORCE a flu shot on an unwilling patient.

    Here's something curious, though: If you're homeschooling your kids, how is it that you have all this time to write these very long posts, and dig up all these opinion pieces validating your numerous fears?

    I know people complain about the length of some of my posts....but my kids are grown, and I work only part time. I can't imagine having all this free time if I had a child prodigy (as you claim, although I'm not sure how you could know what her IQ is, if you're as distrustful as you are of professional educators and psychologists) to teach.

    • Oblivious Olivia: I “roll up my sleeve” and get a flu shot every year, Texan. And, yes, there are some coworkers who choose not to take the shot (or who just don’t get around to getting it). That’s hardly a “landslide” of protest. As for the doctors: most of those I work with do opt for the vaccine. But I’ve never yet seen a doctor FORCE a flu shot on an unwilling patient.

      Constitutional Texan: Ok...well this explains EVERYTHING. As I expected..brain damage from vaccines. Dear olivia you had better start to address those accumulative effects of those toxins on your brain and other major organs. You have never seen a doctor force a flu vaccine on a patient? I have never seen Mars in real life either but it doesn't mean it isn't there. So save your propaganda for someone who hasn't seen it a million times already. Funny thing about that issue of never seeing something and denying it exist...this is a COMMON response that drug companies give to parents when they contact them to address the issue of how their freaken vaccine damaged their kids...they tell them you are the ONLY ones who have ever told us this. Meanwhile, there are millions out there who have told them this same thing.

      Here is what you have allowed them to set you up for each year you rolled your sleeves up without question for your toxic flu shot.

      According to a study conducted by Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied) his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or no shots.

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      Oblivious Olivia: Here’s something curious, though: If you’re homeschooling your kids, how is it that you have all this time to write these very long posts, and dig up all these opinion pieces validating your numerous fears?

      Constitutional Texan: Really? Is this what you are resorting to now? Is the Evidence presented to you getting to be too much so you want to throw out the "question of my parenting skills"? Earth to Olivia ...it is SUMMER time. Good grief. Besides that, I type over 80 words per minute..so this is no sweat off my back to keep hammering out the truth to crush your inane reality built around lies.

• Constitutional TEXAN: Here is where I will give you as a nurse a pass Olivia.. Nurses are not trained to link drugs to the damages that progress in these patients. Nurses are not trained to even know what the side effects of vaccine damages are if they go past 48 to 72 hours. Nurses are trained to watch for more behavior changes and more damages…but to never connect them to prior treatments. So of course when you see a patient who is getting worse your training tells you it is the “progression” of the so-called “mental disorder” instead of the damages of a vaccine or drug that will never do anything but cause more damages.
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  Oblivious Olivia: Uh….Texan? Nurses are educated, not “trained.” And, while we’re on the subject: what makes you so sure that you’re better qualified than nurses, doctors or biochemists to distinguish between psychiatric disorders and adverse reactions from a vaccination? And where did you get the idea that nurses don’t consider the possibility of adverse reactions, when a patient displays erratic behavior?
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  Constitutional TEXAN:IF nurses are not just as blind as doctors who vaccinate....how else can we be enduring an EPIDEMIC of sicker and sicker children, while having the worlds highest infant death rate...while more and more vaccines are given to our kids and this whole group of lemmings will continue to DEFEND the use of MORE toxic shots far MORE then they will these precious children who ARE being sacrificed because of those toxic shots?

  Good grief the COMMON SIDE EFFECTS of the flu vaccine are the SAME as getting the FLU... do tell me how you tell the difference between the flu symptoms caused by a vaccine and the flu symptoms of flu caught in the wild?

  You may be that rare exception but I highly doubt it. Nurse after nurse in public schools have told me vaccine damages could NOT be caused by vaccines because those damages surfaced 24 to 72 hours AFTER a vaccine was given. Tell me how LONG do you continue to attribute damages to vaccines AFTER they are given Olivia? What "SIGNS" of vaccine damages are you looking for?

  Why don't you put this in your pipe and smoke it. Educated parents are opting out of vaccines while uneducated parents are still going for them.

  Studies Prove The More Educated You Are, The Less Chance You Will ...Vaccinate 2011

  More educated parents are less likely to vaccinate, which contradicts the misconceptions of many health professionals who profess that parents don't vaccinate because they are under-educated, poor or misinformed.

  One publication of medical research linking the MMR vaccine to autism in The Lancet in February 1998 sparked a decade-long controversy about the triple jab. Following the initial publication, the uptake rate of the MMR vaccine dropped from 92% in 1997/98 to 80% in 2003/04.

  The finding that highly educated parents were the first to react to the information that the MMR had potential side effects is consistent with this hypothesis.
  Another finding published in the journal PLoS Medicine, showed that parents with more education were less likely to let their daughters get HPV shots.

  A 2004 study by researchers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control showed children ho hadn't received any shots at all "tended to be white, to have a mother who was married and had a college degree, to live in a household with an annual income exceeding $75,000 and to have parents who expressed concerns regarding the safety of vaccines and indicated that medical doctors have little influence over vaccination decisions for their children," said the study, published in the journal Pediatrics.

  Another study in the journal The American Journal of Public Health, which surveyed 11,860 families, found that mothers who had not finished high school were 16% more likely to have completed the whole vaccination schedule for their children. Lower education levels and socioecomonic status was associated with higher completion rates for vaccination. Rates of compliance were also higher in Hispanic and black low income families.

  "It's a an excellent example of how more education and awareness translates to better health," said Dr. Mihalovic.

• Olivia: But none of this is relevant to the original discussion, because there’s no law requiring a patient to take psychotropic medication (with the exception of one who is clearly an immediate danger to himself or others). There is no law against being mentally ill in the United States of America. Once again (boy, am I getting tired of reiterating this): Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to take psychotropic medications if you don’t want to, nor can the school system force you to give psychotropic medications to your child if you don’t want to. So don’t do it, if you’re that frightened of medications. Problem solved.

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  Constitutional Texan: Olivia ...This is directly related to the issue of SCHOOL SAFETY. You want a greater policed state for our kids to try and survive in because it gives you a false sense of security. While at the same time you refuse to accept any responsibility for your chosen profession when it comes to WHAT these DRUGS ARE doing to these kids in terms of making them LESS safe for their own lives and LESS safe for the other students attending school with them. The public is tired of seeing these needless acts of violence continue to be brushed OFF when indeed we find out that once again prescription drugs and their dangerous side effects are the core reason for why those patients went into these drugged induced acts of violence. The public wants your profession to get their grubby hands off their kids so they can function as the unique individuals they were born to be and stop trying to turn more of them into drugged up mindless robots.

  Funny thing about those "laws requiring patients to take drugs" ..you may not know it but schools get a LOT more money for any student who has a "mental health label" slapped on them. To make sure those dollars kept coming in the schools did indeed become the "enforcers" of making sure these kids were STAYING on these drugs. So much so that parents had to start filing lawsuits against them to remind them they were NOT doctors...they were educators. New laws had to be inserted to make the schools back off because they were indeed sending kids home IF they were not on these violent inducing drugs. They were threatening parents with Social Services if their kids were not zombyfied by the drugs. They were indeed acting like the drug police.

  You may not know this or you may refuse to see it but the fact remains that we have more kids in "states custody" today then ever before. State after state has been busted for taking a kid into custody and then first loading them up with a truck load of vaccines...without knowing PRIOR vaccination status, then drugging them out of their minds by percentages as high as 76% to 89%. Age doesn't matter because they have been busted for drugging precious babies as young as ONE. Those state doctors have also been busted for getting kick backs from drug companies PER each kid they get hooked on their dangerous drugs. Those kids are found to be on 10 to 12 drugs at a time! THEN they are sent INTO our public schools.

  You want to act like these acts of violence are not based on evidence when it is clear that you yourself have refused to go NEAR the evidence that is OUT there in abundance starting with the drug manufacturers OWN package inserts that DO clearly state these drugs induce suicidal and homicidal tendencies! Tell me how SAFE is a drug that can cause a precious 7 year old to keel over and DIE instantly? No doubt you refused to allow your narrow mind to see the side affect of instant DEATH on many of these drugs these precious kids are being placed on for "behavior" issues. Tell me how many kids would not have behavior issues if they were thrown into states custody...ripped from their families and then abused 6 times higher IN states custody? Your professions answers are to slap a label on them for daring to be human and to then just harm them more with drugs. This does not take the added stress of sending kids to try and survive in these prison like schools. Yea, wonder WHY more kids are acting out? then take into account the divorce rates..these kids are to go to school and just act like their home life is peachy lest they wish to face a label and get drugged out of their minds eh? face it Olivia, they have replaced human compassion for the plight of the child with a vicious attack on their very mindset today. Forget understanding how all of these factors contribute to their BEHAVIOR because they have a freaken label for everything from "math anxiety" to so-called "social indifference" that used to be called a SHY Child." Kids are NOT allowed to be normal today. They are NOT allowed to reveal how they are really feeling during their life struggles because your profession is ready to drug the hell out of them if they do.

  Indeed, many of these "patients" end up with MULTIPLE mental health labels in which those labels are used as an excuse to give them even MORE drugs. We call that the drugging merry go round. This begins when a patient is diagnosed on a set of BEHAVIORS...with NO scientific PROOF of a biological cause to determine any real clinical disease. Thus that label is given based on no other qualification then meeting a predetermined SET of BEHAVIORS to give that patient the FIRST label. Of course they throw them on a drug to go with that new label. That drug brings with it a set of "side effects" and lo and behold those 'side effects" are the same exact "behaviors" that landed that patient with a mental health label to begin with! As those drugs do their damage..more BEHAVIORS surface... here comes another diagnosis based upon more "BEHAVIORS" in which yet another DRUG is given. Now the patient is not only dealing with the side effects of the first drug but they are dealing with a whole truck load of new side effects to compound their misery from more drugs. Meanwhile your profession makes them think you are helping them when in reality you are creating a patient who ends up FAR worse OFF in which you will then make them think they have to stay on those drugs for LIFE because you will never admit these drugs escalated those BEHAVIORS to be much worse then they started.

  Tell me Oblivious Olivia...how many patients in mental health have you seen HEAL "AFTER" your profession got their hands on them? How many patients ever got off all those drugs? How many ever got back to their lives whereas they were not seeing numerous doctors to "manage" their behaviors? Don't bother answering because that was a trick question... I already know the answer because your profession still claims there is NO cure for any mental health label. Once a label is slapped on a kid your profession makes that patient and their loved ones think your toxic drugs and useless psycho babble therapies are the only "treatments" available. The truth is this is the only way your profession knows how to treat anything...which is drastically different from admitting the truth that there are a LOT of choices to help these patients really HEAL. What your profession offers is NO hope, No cure, and those dismal choices alone are destroying the youth of this country. The lions share of these "behavior" issues start because of the toxic vaccines that your profession loads these kids up with from day one in this country and they progress with each vaccine and each drug given to these kids from there on out.

  Get ready to go into your trained mode of serious denial because here's a stark reality for ya...I have seen MANY kids get OFF this drugging merry go round and shed these labels for GOOD. I have seen MANY adults shed these labels and go onto drug free productive lives too. NONE of that healing was found in chemical drugging. NONE of that healing was found in anything mainstream medicine has to offer because that healing is found in healing the WHOLE body and having the common sense to know that a human body can never heal when it is continuously being pumped up with chemical drugs, and brain damaging vaccines that only cause MORE damages.

  Here is where I will give you as a nurse a pass Olivia.. Nurses are not trained to link drugs to the damages that progress in these patients. Nurses are not trained to even know what the side effects of vaccine damages are if they go past 48 to 72 hours. Nurses are trained to watch for more behavior changes and more damages...but to never connect them to prior treatments. So of course when you see a patient who is getting worse your training tells you it is the "progression" of the so-called "mental disorder" instead of the damages of a vaccine or drug that will never do anything but cause more damages.

  Here's a newsflash for ya...just as these patients have a real choice to heal..this country is fastly filling up with more nurses and doctors who are going outside the box of their mainstream indoctrination because they are fed up with seeing more and more sick children. They are realizing where these damages are coming from and they do want to see these kids get well. Thus look online if you dare to allow yourself to see the reality because many highly respected mainstream doctors and nurses are deciding that they will no longer participate in the destruction of our children and they are speaking out to a great sacrifice of their careers because they are putting our children FIRST instead of protecting an industry that is putting them dead LAST.

  You have that same choice too because the information is out there if you want to see it. Do you want to help them create another patient for life or did you get into this profession to see people really heal and go onto lead productive lives?

  Last but not least on your watering down of warranted concern about forced drugging... see what happened to this mother of a homeschooled child...her child was already disabled...amputee. But this mother educated her at home, enrolled her in dance etc,etc. helped this child rise above her disability. The child wanted to go to a public school. True to the norm the school lied and made this mother believe this kid has to be loaded up with a pot load of vaccines. Meanwhile there are vaccines exemptions in ALL US states...thus not one vaccine is "mandatory" for any kid to attend school. These schools get kickbacks for higher vaccination rates thus they illegal use the term "mandatory" when addressing vaccinations with parents. The Mother let them vaccinate her thriving child and those vaccines threw that precious kid into neurological distress. The mother also made the mistake of seeking help through the state ADTER the vaccines damaged her child. In steps Social Services to help them slap a new label on that kid and start drugging her out of her mind. The mother was devastated...the child was no longer even a close resemblance of herself and she wanted her kid OFF the drugs. What does the state do? They send Social Services in, with a SWAT team to take the child from the home. It ended up with them refusing to show a warrant, the mother is terrified they will take her already harmed child away. She fired a warning shot up through the wall (no one was hurt) she wanted them to back off and prove they had a legal right to come into her home. They then came in with overkill of military FORCE to take her child away from her by force.

  Did she go overboard by shooting a gun through her house? Yes she most certainly did. But tell me what would any parent do if a drug gang were knocking on their door and that parent knew they were there to take their kid so they could load her up with hardcore drugs that she as the parent just got her kid off of because of the horrific side effects? Would a parent let a drug gang in to just take their kid? This is the state of this country when it comes to drugging and vaccinating these kids and it has GOT to STOP.

  They placed that precious child into a MENTAL WARD after they ripped her from her mother's arms and then they force medicated her in that facility against her will! How did it ALL begin...VACCINES that were pushed on a family who was NEVER told their right to exempt out of all vaccines. This case just happened several weeks ago Olivia so do not tell me they do not STILL force drugs on these kids or take kids from our families AFTER they try to get them off those drugs. Unfortunately, there are a LOT more tragic stories just like this. Look at what they did in maryland for another example of how they will use force and a corrupt court to get these toxic vaccines into kids. Parents faced jail or vaccinating their kids as ordered by the court. Why? That school district was losing too much money due to LOW vaccination rates. Not one parent was told their right to refuse them ALL with exemptions. They went so far as to set up a makeshift clinic IN the court room, without telling the parents who thought they were showing to appeal insane charges of not vaccinating their kids. After inside they were goven the option to vaccinate or go to JAIL. Here's the kicker..many of those kids WERE vaccinated and the parents were asking for time to get their records. Court did not care...they loaded them up AGAIN.

  Go back and think about how you will Tell ME what you think you know about what is happening with these families and I will continue to show you how ignorant you really are. You can become a part of the solution Olivia or you can remain a part of the problem. The choice is yours.

  Like I said.. I have been in these trenches and the REAL picture of what is happening to the American family today is an absolute disgrace! It all goes right back to what mainstream medicine and these drug companies are getting away with while being protected by our own government, courts, schools, and hospitals.

  • Here is where I will give you as a nurse a pass Olivia.. Nurses are not trained to link drugs to the damages that progress in these patients. Nurses are not trained to even know what the side effects of vaccine damages are if they go past 48 to 72 hours. Nurses are trained to watch for more behavior changes and more damages…but to never connect them to prior treatments. So of course when you see a patient who is getting worse your training tells you it is the “progression” of the so-called “mental disorder” instead of the damages of a vaccine or drug that will never do anything but cause more damages.
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    Uh....Texan? Nurses are educated, not "trained." And, while we're on the subject: what makes you so sure that you're better qualified than nurses, doctors or biochemists to distinguish between psychiatric disorders and adverse reactions from a vaccination? And where did you get the idea that nurses don't consider the possibility of adverse reactions, when a patient displays erratic behavior?
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    Here’s a newsflash for ya…just as these patients have a real choice to heal..this country is fastly filling up with more nurses and doctors who are going outside the box of their mainstream indoctrination because they are fed up with seeing more and more sick children. They are realizing where these damages are coming from and they do want to see these kids get well. Thus look online if you dare to allow yourself to see the reality because many highly respected mainstream doctors and nurses are deciding that they will no longer participate in the destruction of our children and they are speaking out to a great sacrifice of their careers because they are putting our children FIRST instead of protecting an industry that is putting them dead LAST.
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    But you just argued that nurses aren't "trained" to know these things. Why is it that you immediately dismiss any possiblity that I know what I'm talking about, but will swallow what any other nurse (or doctor) says, if what they're saying is what you want to believe?

    In looking through all your proof-that-vaccines-are-bad list of links yesterday, I noticed that many of the writers of the opinion pieces had NO credentials in the the medical or health care fields. One, for example, held only an associate degree in psychology. Why do you hasten to believe her, but not licensed MDs and pharmacists who claim otherwise?
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    You have that same choice too because the information is out there if you want to see it. Do you want to help them create another patient for life or did you get into this profession to see people really heal and go onto lead productive lives?
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    Texan, what you showed me was not "information." The vast majority of it was opinions, expressed by lay people. And, of those opinions, many said "Learn all you can before making the decision," not "Don't." Opinions are essentially worthless, because they can so easily be manipulated by appeals to emotion and faulty logic. What counts is studies: not just little blurbs about what a study showed, but the entire abstract: who set it up and paid for it, who was studied and how; and whether the conclusions reached were based on the study itself, or merely justified by it.
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    Last but not least on your watering down of warranted concern about forced drugging… see what happened to this mother of a homeschooled child…her child was already disabled…amputee. But this mother educated her at home, enrolled her in dance etc,etc. helped this child rise above her disability. The child wanted to go to a public school. True to the norm the school lied and made this mother believe this kid has to be loaded up with a pot load of vaccines. Meanwhile there are vaccines exemptions in ALL US states…thus not one vaccine is “mandatory” for any kid to attend school. These schools get kickbacks for higher vaccination rates
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    Nonsense!
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    thus they illegal use the term “mandatory” when addressing vaccinations with parents.
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    "Illegally" in your opinion. The point of requiring vaccinations is to avoid putting other kids at risk, through YOUR selfish refusal to protect your own kids. Some kids can't take vaccines because of allergies. And it's no secret that the anti-vaccination set coach parents to lie and claim their kids are allergic to eggs.
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    The Mother let them vaccinate her thriving child and those vaccines threw that precious kid into neurological distress. The mother also made the mistake of seeking help through the state ADTER the vaccines damaged her child. In steps Social Services to help them slap a new label on that kid and start drugging her out of her mind. The mother was devastated…the child was no longer even a close resemblance of herself and she wanted her kid OFF the drugs. What does the state do? They send Social Services in, with a SWAT team to take the child from the home. It ended up with them refusing to show a warrant, the mother is terrified they will take her already harmed child away. She fired a warning shot up through the wall (no one was hurt) she wanted them to back off and prove they had a legal right to come into her home. They then came in with overkill of military FORCE to take her child away from her by force.
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    You're telling us one side of an anecdote, Texan. Anyone with an ounce of critical thinking ability knows that, before an honest judgment can be made, ALL sides need to be heard from equally. Otherwise, it's like listening to a divorcee complain about what a bum and a rat her ex is: gullible listeners will immediately conclude that she's telling the whole truth, whereas those who get her ex's side of the story might see a whole different picture.

    So, if you can produce a news article covering all sides of the story, fine----maybe there's something to what you say. Otherwise, it's little more than idle gossip.
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    Did she go overboard by shooting a gun through her house? Yes she most certainly did. But tell me what would any parent do if a drug gang were knocking on their door and that parent knew they were there to take their kid so they could load her up with hardcore drugs that she as the parent just got her kid off of because of the horrific side effects? Would a parent let a drug gang in to just take their kid? This is the state of this country when it comes to drugging and vaccinating these kids and it has GOT to STOP.

    They placed that precious child into a MENTAL WARD after they ripped her from her mother’s arms and then they force medicated her in that facility against her will!
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    Again, it's impossible to tell just how accurate this story is without (1) talking to the mother personally, (2) examining the child, (3) hearing the side of the police and paramedics involved, and (4) getting the doctors' impression, as well as a rationale for why the child was certified. In my experience (which I presume is more extensive than yours), doctors can't just do a petition and cert for frivolous reasons like "Mother is opposed to vaccinations." They have to produce solid evidence that the child is a danger to herself or others.

    And, by the way, they don't call them "mental wards" any more-----that's Hollywood talk. They're called pediatric psychiatric units.
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    How did it ALL begin…VACCINES that were pushed on a family who was NEVER told their right to exempt out of all vaccines. This case just happened several weeks ago Olivia so do not tell me they do not STILL force drugs on these kids or take kids from our families AFTER they try to get them off those drugs. Unfortunately, there are a LOT more tragic stories just like this. Look at what they did in maryland for another example of how they will use force and a corrupt court to get these toxic vaccines into kids. Parents faced jail or vaccinating their kids as ordered by the court. Why? That school district was losing too much money due to LOW vaccination rates.
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    Nonsense again, Texan. Vaccinations are required, not because the school gets "kickbacks" (especially since the poor get them free from county health departments and other agencies), but to protect the children from preventable diseases.
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    Not one parent was told their right to refuse them ALL with exemptions. They went so far as to set up a makeshift clinic IN the court room, without telling the parents who thought they were showing to appeal insane charges of not vaccinating their kids. After inside they were goven the option to vaccinate or go to JAIL. Here’s the kicker..many of those kids WERE vaccinated and the parents were asking for time to get their records. Court did not care…they loaded them up AGAIN.
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    And, again, I don't want to hear your histrionic account of the story, Texan. Show me an unbiased account of the actual incident, and I'll read it. The account should contain an explanation of the legal grounds for the court's decision, which you seem to be leaving out of these anecdotes.
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    Go back and think about how you will Tell ME what you think you know about what is happening with these families and I will continue to show you how ignorant you really are. You can become a part of the solution Olivia or you can remain a part of the problem. The choice is yours.
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    But I don't know ANYTHING about what is happening with those families, Texan, because you've provided only an emotionally-charged (and very one-sided) account. Sorry. If nursing school didn't teach me anything else (and it taught me plenty), it drilled the scientific method into my head. Therefore, I refuse to swallow hysterical arguments without first looking at the facts.

    So it's YOUR choice. Do you have the WHOLE, UNBIASED story behind these cases, or are you going to continue to insist that I swallow YOUR highly sensationalized version of it?

• See how MANY kids were school shooters who were on these prescription drugs who ARE on this list. See how many precious kids KILLED their families and themselves while ON these freaken drugs. Are these all just “acceptable casualties” for the great good of the drug companies bottom line?
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  And, again, Texan, you're jumping to a decidedly unscientific conclusion, based on what you want to believe rather than evidence.

  First, people who take psychotropic medications are usually taking them BECAUSE they have one or more psychiatric disorders to begin with. Second, people who take psychotropic medications aren't always very compliant with them, especially those patients with poor impulse control. And, third, there may be other contributing factors for the person's violent behavior that aren't mentioned in news stories.

  In other words, you're grossly oversimplifying a complex issue, as well as jumping to conclusions based on wishful thinking rather than any sort of scientific process. No qualified psychiatrist would presume to know the exact cause(s) of sudden violent behavior in a person without a long, careful examination and exhaustive biopsychosocial assessment. So it's pretty unrealistic for you, a layperson who's never laid eyes on or spoken to the person, to presume to know what makes him/her tick.

  But none of this is relevant to the original discussion, because there's no law requiring a patient to take psychotropic medication (with the exception of one who is clearly an immediate danger to himself or others). There is no law against being mentally ill in the United States of America. Once again (boy, am I getting tired of reiterating this): Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to take psychotropic medications if you don't want to, nor can the school system force you to give psychotropic medications to your child if you don't want to. So don't do it, if you're that frightened of medications. Problem solved.

  • A wanton fauxgressive in the flesh. Gotta love it.

    • A wanton fauxgressive in the flesh. Gotta love it.

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      What's a "wanton fauxgressive," Anniee? Someone who drags unwelcome facts into a discussion, or what?

• Olivia seems to have the mistaken idea that even parents with kids in 'public schools' aren't actually doing home-schooling if they are spending a couple hours a night having to 'help' with homework. We unfortunately now have a couple generations who have bought into the (false) notion that 'schools know how to raise children better than parents do' ... and that test scores are accurate 'indicators' of achievement. Really?? Forget the little fact that Albert Einstein actually failed elementary-school math. Some teachers now consider themselves 'expert' enough to insist that an active 1st grader should be on Ritalin.
  When did schools become 'dangerous'? Try, when kids weren't sent off to school each morning being told if they got in trouble at school, they'd get twice as much trouble when they got home, and it was stressed that 'lernin' was the way to a better life. Why learn proper grammer or basic math if there's a way to have gold neck-chains by dealing drugs or waving a gun or knife around, or have 'your own place' just by getting pregnant (and having 'Baby Daddy' around would cut out the 'benefits'). Oh, and it's fine to have a football MVP, but "it will damage self-esteem" to have fewer than 14 Valedictorians.

  • We unfortunately now have a couple generations who have bought into the (false) notion that ‘schools know how to raise children better than parents do’ … and that test scores are accurate ‘indicators’ of achievement.
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    No intelligent teacher or parent believes that standardized tests are the only indicator of student achievement, Texan. But you wouldn't realize that, would you, if you haven't set foot in a public school in years.
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    Why learn proper grammer or basic math if there’s a way to have gold neck-chains by dealing drugs or waving a gun or knife around, or have ‘your own place’ just by getting pregnant (and having ‘Baby Daddy’ around would cut out the ‘benefits’).
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    I might have known that you'd be trotting out those ugly racially charged stereotypes sooner or later. As I said: racism is like diarrhea. You can hold on to it for only so long, but eventually it's going to ooze out and stink up the place.
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    Oh, and it’s fine to have a football MVP, but “it will damage self-esteem” to have fewer than 14 Valedictorians.
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    And, again, you seem to be parroting some sort of goofy internet propaganda. Can you provide evidence of ANY high school graduating class this year that featured 14 valedictorians? Hey, I'll make it even easier on you. Can you provide evidence of ANY high school graduating class this year that featured more than 1 valedictorian, and did so for the stated reason of preventing "damage (to) self esteem"?

    Didn't think so.

    P.S. If I were you, I'd learn how to spell 'grammar" properly, before presuming to fling racially charged insults at students who haven't mastered it.

    • No intelligent teacher or parent believes that standardized tests are the only indicator of student achievement, Texan. But you wouldn’t realize that, would you, if you haven’t set foot in a public school in years.
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      Sorry----I meant Suprchief.

      Suprchief, I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim with some evidence.................

• Olivia: Second, it’s pretty illogical for you to assume that eliminating security measures from public schools is likely to enhance “freedom.” Most of those security measures were instituted because someone with “freedom” on his mind took it into his head to walk into a classroom and kill or maim innocent people around him. Now, if you disapprove of those measures, as I said before, nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to send your kids to public school. All the same, it isn’t your place to demand that no one else have access to public schools, just because YOU personally don’t think the government should take measures to ensure an educated—and safe–populace.
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  Constitutional Texan: Really? First of all I can only assume that you didn’t not know that a majority of these school shooters were on FDA approved and school recommended prescription drugs.
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  Oblivious Olivia:That’s what’s commonly known as a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, Texan. You’re making a blanket statement that most “school shooters” (where did you get the idea that I was talking only about people who killed with guns, BTW?) had been prescribed medications—–and then jumping to the conclusion that those medications CAUSED them to shoot people. That scary idea might play well with the frightened-to-death-of-big-bad-government crowd….but as scientific hypothesis it’s a dismal flop.
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  Constitutional Texan: Scientific "hypothesis" ...this is not a hypothesis oblivious Olivia.. it is a proven fact. You know that science you like to fall back on...well the science is not on your side here. Good grief don't you have to do ANY continuing education classes each year? Check out the Data... check out the school shootings and tell me how many were NOT on these drugs compared to those who were? A majority of the shooters were ON prescription drugs. Therefore is not a "blanket statement" it's a fact. You are what we call controlled opposition my dear and unfortunately for your profession you suck at it because you continue to reveal how utterly uninformed you really are. Seeing how you work IN the quack pot field of mainstream health you must be used to seeing people who are drugged out of their minds and acting like it's NO big deal eh? You need to get out there and see what "normal" looks like before your profession drugs normal right out of existence. Indeed, having a real baseline is critical in medical care wouldn't you agree?

  The most hilarious thing here is they sell parents on this over kill of surveillance based upon that very tactic you just spewed out and accused me of... fear, propaganda, and more unfounded fear to get parents to think they need all this insanity. Then people like you completely downplay proven threats. Bravo...pat yourself on the back for setting more people up for proven harm while promoting a policed state Olivia.

  Here is a list of over 4000 incidents of violence created by people on these drugs.

  http://ssristories.com/index.php

  See how MANY kids were school shooters who were on these prescription drugs who ARE on this list. See how many precious kids KILLED their families and themselves while ON these freaken drugs. Are these all just "acceptable casualties" for the great good of the drug companies bottom line? Why is it that the victims families have to DEMAND to know IF these shooters were medicated before that information is revealed? It couldn't be that it is more important to use these cases to terrify students and parents by making them think some "random stranger" will just start shooting up their school so they can keep these schools in a policed state eh? Indeed, it also could not be because they know if more parents really KNEW what the heck these drugs are doing to students that they would start to ask HOW many of the kids in my kids school are being drugged every day? Yea... keeping us all SAFE eh? Good grief.

  For the record.. "I' am not the one stating that these drugs made these patients do these things. These drugs have FDA BLACK BOX warnings that STATE those SAME exact side effects. Experts in the medical field have testified before Congress about the SAME exact side effects. Surely, you do know how black box warnings work eh Olivia? There are REAL victims behind those warnings. Take it up with the FDA, and those experts if you have an issue with these facts. In the meantime break out of your messed up denial because it is people like you who act like these hardcore serious side effects are NO big deal who become a threat to families when they are not warned and not told about damages like this BEFORE they opt to place their kids on them. Then again you now have me very concerned Olivia because it appears as if you have been blindly handing over medications to patients without even knowing the REAL side effects yourself? Tell me... did you KNOW about these side effects? Have you missed all the lawsuits and FDA announcements of black box warnings? Where on earth have you been Olivia?

  Constitutional Texan: Yea..can we talk about how that drugging of our children idea is turning out real bad for the rest of the kids in these schools to have to sit with classrooms
  the kids in these schools to have to sit with classrooms that are filling up with more and more time bombs waiting to go off?
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  Oblivious Olivia: Not all kids, Texan. Only those kids with crackpot parents who have told them that kids who take prescription medications are time bombs who will eventually go nuts and shoot up the school.

  Constitutional Texan:Really? Crack pot parents who have told their kids this? How about informed parents who have passed down verifiable information that came from the FDA and the drug companies themselves??? I couldn't agree more that this whole nightmare of drugging precious kids with drugs that drive them to commit violent acts is the action of a total crack pot nutcase... so tell me why are drug companies allowed to get away with it? Funny how you think you really need those security cameras that do not do squat to STOP any crime but then you just want to just throw caution to the wind when the issue is a public school that has INCREASING numbers of students who ARE medicated with dangerous prescription drugs that can cause them to become murderers. Tell me Olivia what part of those side effects that cause a patient to KILL others and themselves do you find SO safe to be given to students attending a school?

  Oblivious Olivia:Let me explain something to you. First, you can’t make blind assumptions about a child’s (or adult’s) mental health, based only on the fact that s/he’s on prescription medication. Second, some children (and adults) are prescribed certain medications to help PREVENT impulsive acting out, not to cause it. Third, you have no way of knowing, just from reading lurid news stories about violent assailants in school, whether or not the person has been taking the drug as prescribed. I’ve seen unmedicated psychiatric patients, and I’ve seen medicated ones, and the difference in their behavior and thought processes can be huge. How many psychiatric patients have YOU worked with, medicated or unmedicated?

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  Constitutional Texan:Give it a rest... I do not have to make a BLIND assumption on ANY issue of mental "well being" when it is PROVEN that these DRUGS cause serious mental disturbances to the extent of driving patients to KILL others and themselves! READ the package inserts from the drug companies themselves Olivia and see that cold reality before you put anyone else in harms way. Are you being drugged right now Olivia? Are you one of those quack pots who hands these drugs to these kids who keeps seeing more and more ALARMING behavior changes and you tell parents who TRUST you to mark it down to the "progression" of a fictitious mental disorder instead of the PROVEN side effects of the DRUGS? Good grief.

  Yea... let's DO talk about what happens to those patients who go OFF those dangerous meds... Getting OFF many of these meds cause a much higher degree of psychosis...but quack pots who prescribe these dangerous drugs already KNOW this RIGHT? It's a Great way to convince families that "Hey these patients NEED these drugs because LOOK what happens when they get OFF them???" Once again these doctors want families to be denied the right to know that these are the SAME behaviors seen in the listed SIDE EFFECTS of what those drugs do when patients are not safely weaned off and they go cold turkey right? Indeed,... those side effects are the SAME as the behavior exhibited when they get OFF them..now AREN"T they dear quack pot Olivia??? Mental health is the perfect system of creating a great cash cow out of the suffering of innocents now isn't it Olivia?

  You're right about the issue of NOT knowing which of these killers are drugged until it is demanded to be revealed what drugs these people were on because you bet it is NOT readily handed over to the public now is it? Isn't it pathetic that the public has to collect their OWN data? Indeed, what the heck are we paying the FDA, CDC or NIH for?

  Business is BOOMING now isn't it Olivia... you must be SO proud of yourself for helping precious children get ON drugs that will make them patients for LIFE while depleting the chances they had for a better future. But of course being a freaken zombie on mind altering drugs is considered PROGRESS for for the real nuts in mental health eh?

  Tell me ONE mental disorder that has a proven medical diagnostic tests to reveal it is a real clinical disease? Then tell me the name of those so-called test?? Good luck because it doesn't EXIST. You know it dear quack pot Olivia and SO do I.

  Constitutional Texan:It is very illogical for YOU to assume that a camera is going to jump down and stop ONE act of violence in any school. Even more naive of you to think that these kids are not smart enough to commit a crime “outside” of the all seeing eye of a school camera.
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  Oblivious Olivia:But it isn’t all (and only) about preventing students from doing bad stuff in private, Texan. It’s also about protecting students. It’s about keeping fights from breaking out, or stopping them once they’ve started. And it’s about keeping people out of the school building who have no business there.
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  Constitutional Texan:Like I said a camera does not have the ability to jump down and stop ANY act of violence. A camera does not stop anyone who should not be in a school from coming right into that school. Like I also said these kids are smart enough to know where to commit the next act outside of the view of a camera. Every fight that has broke out in this school has been OUTSIDE the view of the camera. Meanwhile these cameras can cost as much as $20,000 each...as they cut teachers they keep paying for surveillance. Great priority they have there. Get real with yourself about WHAT these cameras are for. They are to PROTECT property...they are to PROTECT the school from lawsuits. They are NOT to protect these kids. In our last school a neighbor boy was getting beat up on a regular basis by school gangs. The parents demanded video tapes and the school made them wait 6 months only to hand over edited tapes. YEA a LOT of protection those cameras give these kids or their families trying to stop violence in school.

  Constitutional Texan:Guess what happens when you treat kids like prison inmates? They start to act like prison inmates. Treat them all like they are guilty and yep many will start to do the crime if they are going to do the time. Take more freedoms away and they will fight more for their freedoms.
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  Oblivious Olivia:Nonsense, Texan. We have surveillance cameras in my hospital, as well as security guards and safety doors that can’t be opened except by staff members. Does that make me feel or act like a prison inmate? Of course not. It allows me to do my job, without worrying about getting attacked in the elevator at 2 am, or by a crazy patient who thinks he can threaten me into giving him Dilaudid. Again, if you have that big a problem with the idea of surveillance cameras, no one’s putting a gun to your head and demanding that you send your kids to schools with such safety measures.

  My goodness, but you’re one of the most skittish people I’ve seen in a very long time. As a nurse, I’m no more qualified to diagnose than most of the writers of your opinion pieces about vaccines are to evaluate those vaccines, but I’ve got to wonder if there isn’t some untreated paranoia going on here.

  Constitutional Texan:Save your psycho babble labeling BS for someone who doesn't know what a scam your entire profession is Olivia. Tell me how much will that camera save you when one of your drugged up patients jump in that elevator with you? LOL Good grief, you sure are placing a lot of faith into a security system that will leave you to fend for yourself. You'll be dead by the time those elevator doors open. Sure, they will catch them...but how did it save YOU? I am embarrassed I gave you more credit for having a lick of sense.

  No...you are not qualified to diagnose anyone. But you do hand those drugs out and you are on the front line to SEE the damages of these drugs now aren't you Olivia? Tell me how do you sleep at night after you LIE to parents and tell them these drugs are NOT causing all this damage?

  Constitutional Texan:Nor is one student ID going to stop gang violence or drug dealing.

  But forcing kids to wear that ID hanging around their neck will make them open season to any stalker nut in their school (outside of their own classes) when that kid is forced to cough up who they are and their name for the whole school to see.
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  Oblivious Olivia:Except that “stalker nuts’ aren’t allowed in the school, Texan. That’s one big reason they have security cameras and locking doors, remember? That’s why visitors have to check in at the school office, state their business and produce their own identification. Did you not know that? How long, by the way, has it been since you actually set foot in a public school? Again, it sounds as if you’re regurgitating libertarian propaganda, rather than speaking from knowledge or experience.

  Constitutional Texan:OMG..are you for real? LOL Since when do criminals follow the rules? Are you really "this" naive? Guess why they issued school ID's this year? Because a whole group of kids from other schools just waltzed right into the school last year and went to a few classrooms to find other kids. Yea... we have all that "security" in place and the school was left looking like idiots. The pathetic thing is they now have made parents think a plastic ID is going to jump in there and stop this. As if a student with the intent to harm anyone is going to stop..offer any ID and follow any rule?? LOL Which is exactly what happened AFTER they issued ID's when more students walked in...shoved a hall monitor out of the way and indeed got to the students they were seeking. Good grief... it appears as if the only one who has NOT been in these schools is you dear Oblivious Olivia.

  Tell me something... how on earth did our schools keep our kids safe BEFORE all these policed state measures? Ya know we have had schools for a VERY long time Olivia... do tell me how they did it before? I know the answer...let's let you fulfill that litmus test and see if you have any clue.

  I'll end with sharing another little tidbit with you... they have repeatedly revealed that these cameras do nothing to decrease crime. In fact, in many areas they have to cut back on police force to pay for the cameras in which they have revealed that citizens are less safe because of course those cameras do not stop any crime from happening.

  • Constitutional Texan:OMG..are you for real? LOL Since when do criminals follow the rules?
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    I didn't say they did. Were you under the impression that school security measures are in place ONLY to stop criminals? :D
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    Are you really “this” naive? Guess why they issued school ID’s this year? Because a whole group of kids from other schools just waltzed right into the school last year and went to a few classrooms to find other kids. Yea… we have all that “security” in place and the school was left looking like idiots.
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    Now, this is funny. One minute you're spluttering with indignation at the idea that schools have security measures in place; now you're b*tching about them not having student IDs last year. Make up your mind, will you? You can't have it both ways.

    In any case, what do you care? You boycott the public school system, remember? So it's a bit unrealistic for you to think you know better than they do what kind of security measures they need.