We’re here! We’re queer! We’re in kindergarten?

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• Thank God I live in Texas! This would never fly here, maybe I'll stay even with all the illegals we have to deal with because no one ever will teach my kids anything that should be a parents job... my job. No one can do my job as well as I do and I won't allow them to attempt it.

• I stumbled across this article, I was shocked at the comments made in response to it.
  I think that people may see this as offensive to their children but when is tolerance in society being taught to children a bad thing ?
  I am not a citizen of the U.S but shocked that a place made up of many different cultures could still be as backward and supposed 'teachers' that have commented , intellectuals if thats what we should believe seem to have the mind of a cave dwelling bible hugging fool.
  Times change as society changes and this is what we should focus on, the way i see it, is that LGBT people like every minority have to be considered normal in the eyes of a child, it would probably save a lot of young teens lives if they hadn't seen it as wrong or strange. after all if we want to go back to a time of no openness, non-white people better get back into slavery, and women better get back in the kitchen, the class system of educating only the ones to afford better start again.

  people should be more tolerant and if children being taught about tolerance or even the discussing homosexuals in everyday life is bad then maybe, just with the slightest chance a better quality of life for everyone is possible.

  • This is not about tolerance. Tolerance means that I can respect you as a person and I won't violate your basic rights because of our differences, BUT I can still believe that your behaviors and points of views are wrong and hold on to my own worldviews without ACCEPTING yours as equal to my own.

    Overall what you and others are looking for is FULL ACCEPTANCE of homosexuality (et al) as EQUAL to heterosexuality. The whole point of homosexuality is in direct CONTRAST to heterosexuality HENCE it is not possible for homosexuality (lesbianism and all the other stuff) to be equal to it. However people CAN be tolerant of homosexuals as people, without accepting the behaviors. There are people that hate the people to the point of violence that in my opinion is wrong. However hating/disliking/not accepting/etc the behaviors and the damage that it can create for people and society, but tolerating the people who engage in the behavior is a good compromise. However it is not a compromise that many homosexual (lesbians and so on) want. They want FULL acceptance and NO negative repercussions of not only themselves as people but ALSO their behaviors, even if they are in complete contrast to the beliefs of others that is not right. Pushing this agenda on children is disgusting. They are not old enough to make those decisions for themselves. It is best to know the basics and the normalcy of life, in order for them to make decisions about how they feel about situations like these later on when they have the intellect and the emotionally maturity to handle it.

    Getting the kids this information is basically a way to get them to grow up as ACCEPTING adults of these behaviors. This is propaganda and it is dangerous.

  • First of all, not being from our society, you have no voice here.
    Second, many of us feel that homosexuality is wrong.
    Third, your absolute intolerance to this point of view indicates to me that you are more bigoted and intolerant than the people you claim are bigoted and intolerant.

    I've noticed through my life that there seems to be no one more intolerant than those who preach tolerance. When they tell people they need to be more tolerant, they mean those they have tolerance for. If this wasn't true, why do those who preach tolerance have it for Black Panthers, but not the KKK?

• Is there anything wrong with teaching children that homosexual people exist and that they should expect to meet one some day? Is it really that bad to teach tolerance in the classroom? I have issues with the young age of the children, but not the concept.

  • There is nothing stopping a parent from telling their kid that gay people exist WHEN they know and determine that their child can handle that information. Schools should stay out of it.

• I've linked to your article with a quotation from Helping Children to have a Mommy and a Daddy

• While I don't necessarily agree with teaching anything about sexuality at this age, I'm guessing we're assuming there will a lot more sex talk than there actually is. And to be honest, I'm a bit more upset that we're still teaching our kids that Columbus "discovered" America, that the Dutch "purchased" Manhattan," that our history is in some way perfect. We teach our children untruths every day, yet we stand up and complain when a truth - albeit a controversial one - is added to the curriculum. The hypocrisy frightens me more than the gay subject matter, frankly.

  • The problem with history is we look at it from a modern perspective. If the Dutch paid some glass beads to the native Americans for the island of Manhattan, then a deal was made. Just because modern people feel it was unjust doesn't change the fact that both sides feel they got a deal. In reality, the Dutch were simply paying the native Amercans to move, and since there was plenty of land available, they took their beads and moved across the river. Probably laughing all the way at the stupid white man for paying them to leave something they didn't own anyway.

    • Exactly as there was no GOVERNMENT that was established their ownership of the land. Just because you live somewhere it doesn't mean you own the land, unless there is a government that is widely recognize that says that you do. That is what it is. Like you said it may seem unfair, but again it is what it is and like you said they willingly moved after getting something for it. They didn't know nor appreciate the value of land and that is on them.

• instead of reading and commenting, i shall do a written form of running commentary:

  “We are not telling anyone what to think,”
  (Yes you are)

  “Five year old kids aren’t ready to think on their own about sexuality, and their families’ values will be dismissed,” Karen England criticized. “That’s not an education in critical thinking. It’s social activism.”
  (thats what she said....no, really)

  “Robin’s family,” the book says “is made up of her dad, Clifford, her dad’s partner, Henry, and Robin’s cat, Sassy.”
  (funny how they use names like "sassy" and "clifford" to gain insta-support from kids, who cant love robins family, they remind of us giant ass dogs and that cat from that stupid movie where the cat talks)

  "Second graders will tackle “And Tango Makes Three,” "
  (no, dick. it takes TWO to tango, how dare you break this essential dancing rule)

  "We’re not sure what year the student will learn about Republicans lynching gay black men in the White House Rose Garden, but we wouldn’t be surprised if that’s part of the curriculum, too. Or soon will be."

  (its already is :/ )

  okay, i admit it, i just wanted to use the words "running commentary"

  GIVE ME a classroom of children, and i will give you a classroom of independant thinkers. i think that goes for any true conservative, i dont know a single one who would find brainwashing acceptable, but ive never met a liberal who didnt think it was a bad idea (actual quote) "i think its okay to brainwash as long as you are telling them the truth"

  needless to say, i have a REALLY stupid friend, hes been brainwashed though, so i feel its my duty as a non hivemind that i have to bring him back to independant thought. (i am making progress, but since his liberal friends found out, they have somehow gotten him to consistantly replace my rational thinking with their emotional thinking)

  school can be one of the most damaging things to a kid, not only the books, but the teachers, and worst of all : THEIR PEERS

• "Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."

  Lenin

• I'm in Northern Virginia.

  Michael Farris is based not too far west of Northern Virginia. He established HSLDA -- the Home School Legal Defense Association.

  Partly as a result of Farris's work, Virginia is a state which actually does not target homeschoolers. So far.

  I spent over 25 years in the traditional classroom as a teacher. It got so that working even in the private schools I had to put up with too much leftism. So, I moved to something else. I've never regretted the move -- except for the hit to my income.

  Glad that I don't live in California. My sister-in-law recently fled CA because of the educational system there.

• Way back when, when sex education became a part of every public school's curriculum, the advocates of that program swore up and down that students wouldn't be forced to be exposed to the homosexual lifestyle.

  Now comes along this information about Alameda County.

  What begins in California typically spreads throughout the country within five years. Watch for the wave of this one in the public schools in your locale, wherever that is.

  As a teacher, I will not have to deal with this mess. I work with groups of homeschoolers, now and for the past 11 years. The money is terrible, but I can sleep at night.

  • I don't know what state you are in, but is your state trying to do away with homeschooling, like they always are here in California?

• I could tell you that my kids would not be receiving this education and if the school didn't like it they can go to Hell. We have the legal right to opt out of this type of stuff in Michigan.