This is too easy, I have alot of sympathy for your situation. Once again, unable to dispute what I have written, you proceed to you attack me personally. So which facts are incorrect? That the fossil record is a snapshot in time, with the dates applied by men?? Guesses really. Remember, there have never been any true transitional forms found. Or that recorded history does not go back beyond 5,000 years? Or that marriage came about in order to protect the propagation of our species and society long before written history?? I have a jewish friend who tells me tha their oral history goes right back to Adam, Methuselah and Shem. So these traditions predate your claim that marriage was a state instituion before the invention of "my religion".
Or that every society that normalizes pederasty and homosexuality and elevates it above traditional relationships head into decline and irrelavancy?. Is that a lie too? Same for those that glorify animistic and earth worship.
Or how about that lie that 10% of males are homosexual? Not true. The number is more like 2% or less.
(http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexual_lies_-_what_percentage_of_the_population/) Or the fact that in this country AIDS is predominantly gay male disease, spread by behaviour?? (which is why gay males cannot give blood - th efederal ban is still in place). Or the fact the homosexuality is a behaviour, not an observable trait like skin color or race? (sorry a short or stylish haircut doesn't count - nor does wearing pink, I happen to love the color and like wearing it, especially when I've got a good tan). Or even that Joseph McCarthy was correct in his pursuit of communists in our government, being vindicated by volumes of documents released after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Or the fact that the global warming hoaxers are being exposed as charlatans in the british press? google it, I dare you. Typical of a vacuous arguement, you offer no rebuttal with counter points, just call me hateful. I'm not that at all, I deal with homosexuals and lefties regularily throughout my life and have great compassion for all people. However, I have no tolerance for evil and evil is what you promote. Your writings and undeveloped arguements, your youth and arrogance give away the fact that you have bought into a lie on so many levels and anyone who challanges you is evil and ignorant. Your posts seeth with raging hatred for christians(the real kind, not the passive liberal ones) and ad hominum attacks upon those who disagree with you and challenge you to substantiate your assertions. But, I do not expect anything less. These are typical Alinsky tactics. My experience in life thus far has been that those who claim to champion tolerance and the down troden always seem to never fail to be the most racist and intolerant and class oriented when you scratch beneath the surface just a little bit, never mind the least generous. And my experience is not at the mercy of your opinion. Stephen, seek truth for truth will set you free. Get help man. Peace for your soul is just around the corner. I pray you find it.
Fake Christians like you are sick.
You have almost no facts whatsoever on your side, and you are possibly one of the most hateful people I have ever encountered. I probably couldn't find a monster like you in real life if I tried.
You are too far gone to even bother with anymore. Goodbye, demon.
"The only thing you have to accept for gays to get equal rights is that America is supposed to be a nation where all individuals are to be treated equally regardless of their creed, color, orientation, etc." - stephen
really? Last time I checked, "orientation" is only a protected condition in your more "progressive" locales, not in federal law. So Stephen, why the continued attempts to indoctrinate school children with your utter nonsense???(not you personally, the homo-lobby - then again, I know nothing about you, might be you)
"The majority were against allowing blacks equal rights, too." -stephen
Nice, trying to hook your dispicable behaviour to the civil rights movement.
That is another tactic of the left and an insult to all who took up the cause.
So were those Republicans who helped pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (over the objections of many democrats) totally evil too???
Line up someone who is black, a woman, a hasidic jew and a muslim, an oriental, a indigenous indian, an east indian and throw in a homosexual a lesbian and a few male and female heteros, I can guarantee you that most people would not be able pick the homos out of the line up.
You want preferential treatment for your BEHAVIOUR. Not for something you cannot control, like whether your skin is light or dark or whether you were born rich or poor or male or female. You want your sodomy and everything that heteros can have (plus a claim to a superior sense of fashion).
I don't care how you live, just don't try to force me to approve of your choices. And don't presume to be morally superior, every culture that has elevated homosexuality and pederasty has descended into irrelavancy and decline.
You wrote:
"Or is that yet another example where you fundamentalist bigots have re-written history to fit in with your sick, hateful world view?
You have to be one of the craziest people I’ve ever encountered. You’ve shown that you clearly don’t care about freedom for all citizens in this country, and that you only care about freedom for those who are JUST LIKE YOU. You represent the worst kind of evil: totally selfish and completely without conscience." -stephen
The bigots are folks like you who when coming up against resistance, become verbally abusive and eventually violent. As a typical marxist might.
The selfishness that exists is on your side, you want to live however you choose but then don't want to assume responsibility for that choice. Every choice has a cost. If I choose to be married, then I fore go every other woman. Period. If I choose to be a resident of Montana, then I cannot be a resident of Florida. That is life. Grown ups accept that. It's time to grow up. You cannot put up a logical arguement so you again descend into verbal abuse, anyone who tells you "NO" is then evil. Your argument is not with me but with God who's existance you deny. You need help man. It won't be easy, but you can change. Repent. Then, go and sin no more.
"Homosexuals demanding to marry is a demand to force all of society to accept their “lifestyle” choice, as self-destructive as it may be." - wes in MT
Any more utter BS you'd like to spew?
The only thing you have to accept for gays to get equal rights is that America is supposed to be a nation where all individuals are to be treated equally regardless of their creed, color, orientation, etc. If you have a problem with that, then go start your little religious dictatorship somewhere else.
"You are incorrect concerning marriage, it was a religious institution long before it was a state institution."
No, I'm quite correct that marriage is a state institution in America, and in fact, marriage was an institution of the state to the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc., long before YOUR religion was ever invented.
So yet again, you arguments are just plain wrong.
"BUT, When you demand that the laws be changed to force acceptance of behaviour that the majority in this country still reject( votes to legalize homo -marriage have failed nearly every time – the law has only been changed by fiat) you are then seeking to dictate how the rest of us live"
The majority were against allowing blacks equal rights, too.
Or is that yet another example where you fundamentalist bigots have re-written history to fit in with your sick, hateful world view?
You have to be one of the craziest people I've ever encountered. You've shown that you clearly don't care about freedom for all citizens in this country, and that you only care about freedom for those who are JUST LIKE YOU. You represent the worst kind of evil: totally selfish and completely without conscience.
Your logic is flawed from the outset. Let's suppose we are discussing equal rights for members of NAMBLA. These creeps advocate lowering or removing the age of consent. The guise of "equal rights" does not work for them or for homosexuals. The laws of our land protect all equally (except latley if you happen to be a christian who opposes gay marriage in CA).
Every choice has its costs. You are incorrect concerning marriage, it was a religious institution long before it was a state institution. Strong marriage protection benefits the women and children the most and this benefits society. Homosexuals demanding to marry is a demand to force all of society to accept their "lifestyle" choice, as self-destructive as it may be. Do you feel the same about polygamy???? Hmm??? After that, why not let you marry your favorite horse, or dog??? No one is trying to prevent you from living how you want to. BUT, When you demand that the laws be changed to force acceptance of behaviour that the majority in this country still reject( votes to legalize homo -marriage have failed nearly every time - the law has only been changed by fiat) you are then seeking to dictate how the rest of us live by demanding we accept your choices and not voice our opinions for fear of legal prosecution. Accept responsibility for your choices - forcing others to approve of whatever you do will not make the inner conflict go away. Only repentance and sinning no more will do that.
well, if you cared about America and its history, you would know that our law descends from natural law as put forth John Locke and many others and also has roots in english common law. Care to guess where many of those laws have their root? Right back in judiac law and the Ten Commandments.
You write,"Tell me, why should they have to follow the rules of your religion?" Well, I don't think you should have to follow the rules of my religion - but I also take issue with a minority group of deviants demanding that I accept and approve of their self-destructive choices. That is a huge distinction. Following your logic, we ought to follow the model of Denmark and the Netherlands - right into societal decline. I know you don't see it that way. I don't care. Ever read the verse "woe to those who call evil good and good evil" - Isaiah 5:20. As for your scripture "he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone",(John 8:7) Are you even aware of the context? Have you any idea the point Jesus was making?? These men brought a woman caught in the act of adultery - takes 2 to tango - where was the man in the act???? nowhere to be found- He was pointing out there double standard and they were trying to trap Him because the law was clear on the punishment - death- so, he turned the tables on them.
He began to write in the sand -some speculate he was writing out the sins of the woman's accusers - one by one, the crowd went away. Jesus looks up and asks, "woman, where are your accusers?? and then He admonishes her "Neither do I condemn you, go and SIN NO MORE." He didn't giver her a free pass, but He did show mercy. That's very different than the all encompassing "tolerance" that turns a blind eye and even approves of self-destructive behaviour. Tell me, how loving is it to tell someone who is a raging alcoholic that he's o.k. as he slowly drinks himself to death???
Christ also said that He came as a sword, to divide -Mathew 10:34-39. Stephen you really need to get some help with whatever it is that torments you. Better to fall on the Rock and be broken than to have the Rock fall on you and be crushed. Matt 21:44
Get help, man.
"You write,”Tell me, why should they have to follow the rules of your religion?” Well, I don’t think you should have to follow the rules of my religion – but I also take issue with a minority group of deviants demanding that I accept and approve of their self-destructive choices." - wes in MT
How do THEIR equal rights have anything to do with YOU?
You disapprove? Great. You can't accept even the idea of them, and they disgust you? Fine.
But how can you possibly feel even remotely comfortable with denying them equal rights in the great United States of America?
This country is meant to represent freedom. We invented it.
And as I am sure you probably already know, Wes, people like you disgust ME. I can't stand people like you, with your shameless bigotry and your blind hypocrisy.
BUT, I would still support your right to live your life the way you want to, as hateful and misguided as you are.
That is because I am an American.
And I am damn proud of it.
Again, you just repeat the same right-wing propaganda, almost all of which is total BS.
"By the way, McCarthy was right." - wes in MT
That says it all. You are not well.
For your information, I have several friends who are Christian, and even one who runs his own church. These people are REAL Christians, however, and actually adhere to the Christian virtues of peace, love, tolerance, compassion, charity...
In contrast, the neo-con fundamentalist a$$holes exhibit none of those virtues. They prefer war over peace (for the profits $$$$$$$$), they exude more hate than any political group I’ve ever seen in this country (reminiscent of McCarthyists and the Klan), they are completely intolerant of those different from them (gays can’t have equal rights because of someone else’s religion), they show zero compassion for those less fortunate (compassion costs too much $$$$$$), and they detest the idea of charity for the poor (greed is way easier, just ask George W and his friends $$$$$$$$).
Need I go on?
It’s hard to imagine a more evil bunch of pricks than the neo-cons. It really is.
Do you even know what a "neo-con" is???? They would hardly qualify as "fundamentalists". You write "For your information, I have several friends who are Christian, and even one who runs his own church. These people are REAL Christians, however, and actually adhere to the Christian virtues of peace, love, tolerance, compassion, charity…"
Hey let's all just sing "Kumbya" Stephen!!! And they are so good at it, yet you don't want to be one???? Right, right, "tolerance" is now the highest virtue. Sorry, you must be reading from a different gospel. As for homos and equal rights - It's not enough for that bunch to have negative tolerance - by that I mean I don't approve of your behavoiur, I don't like it and I find it offensive but I take a live and let live attitude. No, that's not enough. Now the homo- lobby wants to criminalize free speach. To make it punishable for not expressing approval of the sodomites lifestyle. to ram it down our throats with all the lies of being born gay, et. al. Sorry, not buying here.
Every choice has it's cost. But, like children who want their own way, they cry "equal rights, why can't we get married, you're discriminating !!" God said it was an abomination-Leviticus 20:13. And oh perish the thought that anyone tell them it is a sin or wrong. Well, I didn't make the rule, it was written over 2,000 years ago. Your argument is with God, not me. So maybe those Christian friends of yours need to be reminded that the highest virtue is the pursuit of truth, for that is what will set you free.
So which parts are not "B.S." Stephen????? I'm surprised that you would even acknowledge that any of what I've written was not B.S.
If you had any intellectual honesty in you, you would acknowledge that McCarthy and his hunt for commies , specifically Alger Hiss, was vindicated by the release of the Venona papers and the Mitrokhin archive. Again, I don't even think you know what a neo-con is. Just a good sounding talking point, oohh, sounds like neo-nazi. . .
"And they are so good at it, yet you don’t want to be one?" - wes in MT
Just because I don't believe in the same things as them doesn't mean we can't get along. They don't use their religion as a weapon, unlike some in this country.
"No, that’s not enough. Now the homo- lobby wants to criminalize free speach. To make it punishable for not expressing approval of the sodomites lifestyle. to ram it down our throats with all the lies of being born gay, et. al. Sorry, not buying here."
Of course not, because you are a judgmental, intolerant jerk. Marriage is a state institution, and it is only a religious one for those who choose for it to be so.
Tell me, why should they have to follow the rules of your religion?
"I didn’t make the rule, it was written over 2,000 years ago. Your argument is with God, not me." - wes in MT
For someone so hateful of science, tell me what evidence you have that those words written 2,000 years ago were really God's will. You have NONE. You just let your hate rule your politics, like most right-wing extremists.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Ever heard of this, Wes? If you had, and you realized the importance of that statement, then you'd be ashamed of yourself. You aren't even close to being a real Christian. More like the exact opposite...
Oh, a man of many contradictions, eh? You come from the middle, eh?
Is that why you are so open about your hatred of anything religious in public life, let alone public office? Yes there are some lunatics out there in every group, yet your hatred for christians is palpable. Why does that send you into a blind rage so easily??? You really do need to see a therapist.
Why is it wrong to question "science" that is based on darwinian thought and cannot be repeated nor observed? We are just to take them at there word? Again, there is only about 5,000 years of recorded history. Thats it. Anyone, no matter how scholarly, who places a date on something beyond that is really just guessing and not always making a very educated one at that, considering their world view and what is at stake. With the history of frauds and fakes in paleonthology, only a fool would not take many of the claims with a grain of salt. Oh, but because I do not (nor do many others) accept blindly what has been shoveled at us by the "scientific" establishment, that makes me some sort of zealot??? you really are a piece of work, and blind with rage at that - so what happened to damage you so???
You claim to be a free marketeer, yet when I tell you what happened in our free market (I am a small business owner) you just dismiss it with ridicule.
the fact that you are so well versed as to what a "tea bagger" is and your anger and hatred for christians would tend to reveal you for what you are.
Most folks outside of the homosexual culture did not know what the reference meant until it was used as a slur against the tea parties, even though, as you stated "I don’t know anyone in this entire country (or any other country, for that matter) who doesn’t know what a ‘teabagger’ is. The term is really common and has been around for decades."
You sir, are the one filled with rage. Simply by aligning with the tea parties, a person by your definition "The teabaggers are perhaps the most ignorant and hateful people I have ever seen in America. They are pure evil, and completely oblivious to the fundamentals set forth in our Constitution."
Really? More evil than the eugenists and progressives who want to "fundamentally change" this country???????
The simple fact that when your assertions are challenged, well then, the challenger is now hateful and ignorant.
Hey, I can keep doing this, you are an easy mark, full of conceit about your insights and wisdom.
I keep coming back around because you do not answer questions, you evade and ridicule. You are a typical troll, masquerading as a centrist.
Just a reminder troll, you do not set the rules of conversation or debate, that law has not yet been passed.
By the way, McCarthy was right.
"nothing but vitriol" - wes in MT
Wow, you did it yet AGAIN!
This is really getting hilarious: I use a word, and then you copy me and use the exact same word in a subsequent post. As I originally said, you are PROJECTING. In fact, I've never seen anyone so desperate that they would feel the need to project so frequently over the course of a discussion. You have issues, man. Seriously.
The greater point is that you are a total hypocrite. You call me a bolshevik in post after post, despite the fact that I am actually quite fond of the free market world I live in, and then you complain that I'm the one tossing around so many insults. Make up your mind, pal.
And don't you see how pathetic your incessant "bolshevik" comments sound? You are so biased to the far right that it makes you utterly paranoid, like a textbook McCarthyist. You are so quick to rabidly despise ANYONE who doesn't agree with your every word (most of which has been told to you by some neo-con charlatan).
But I come from the middle, leaning this way or that depending on the particular issue. And as I've said, I absolutely cannot abide these far-right lunatics, many of whom will freely admit that they actually WANT a religious government, or that they really do want an armageddon-esque WWIII to bring about their fictional "rapture".
What part of that don't you understand? Do you really think that most Americans would want some religious extremist in the White House? Given our Founders' disdain for the Church of England, such a prospect would be quintessentially unAmerican.
" Stephen February 19, 2010, 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm
The teabaggers are perhaps the most ignorant and hateful people I have ever seen in America. They are pure evil, and completely oblivious to the fundamentals set forth in our Constitution.
The fact that Palin is supported by anyone is proof of how utterly stupid these zealots really are. Palin’s anti-science, anti-reality church insists that dinosaurs didn’t really exist over millions of years, and instead only existed a few thousand years ago. They want to get rid of science in schools, and instead foist their obviously fake religion upon everyone. It’s so sick that there aren’t even words for their kind of evil.
How could anyone in their right mind risk allowing these radical right-wing zealots to gain control of our country?
I’m no Democrat, but I wouldn’t vote for any of these neo-con lunatics in a million years.
“Nothing is worse than a monster who thinks he is right with God.”
“Of all of the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny of religion is the worst.” "
This was the post that started it all - nothing but vitriol. And anyone who challenges you is hateful and ignorant. Stephen, you are not clever by half.
Your skills at arguing are weaker than a 5th grader. No substance, just continue to ridicule. not working out very well for you.
About stem cell research - depending where you got your information - it was easy to find out at the time about what was successful and what was not - there was no mystery except for the one sided reporting in the media.
Again, you do not back up with fact, just ridicule. Hence you are nothing more than a troll. And a waste of time.
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This is too easy, I have alot of sympathy for your situation. Once again, unable to dispute what I have written, you proceed to you attack me personally. So which facts are incorrect? That the fossil record is a snapshot in time, with the dates applied by men?? Guesses really. Remember, there have never been any true transitional forms found. Or that recorded history does not go back beyond 5,000 years? Or that marriage came about in order to protect the propagation of our species and society long before written history?? I have a jewish friend who tells me tha their oral history goes right back to Adam, Methuselah and Shem. So these traditions predate your claim that marriage was a state instituion before the invention of "my religion".
Or that every society that normalizes pederasty and homosexuality and elevates it above traditional relationships head into decline and irrelavancy?. Is that a lie too? Same for those that glorify animistic and earth worship.
Or how about that lie that 10% of males are homosexual? Not true. The number is more like 2% or less.
(http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexual_lies_-_what_percentage_of_the_population/) Or the fact that in this country AIDS is predominantly gay male disease, spread by behaviour?? (which is why gay males cannot give blood - th efederal ban is still in place). Or the fact the homosexuality is a behaviour, not an observable trait like skin color or race? (sorry a short or stylish haircut doesn't count - nor does wearing pink, I happen to love the color and like wearing it, especially when I've got a good tan). Or even that Joseph McCarthy was correct in his pursuit of communists in our government, being vindicated by volumes of documents released after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Or the fact that the global warming hoaxers are being exposed as charlatans in the british press? google it, I dare you. Typical of a vacuous arguement, you offer no rebuttal with counter points, just call me hateful. I'm not that at all, I deal with homosexuals and lefties regularily throughout my life and have great compassion for all people. However, I have no tolerance for evil and evil is what you promote. Your writings and undeveloped arguements, your youth and arrogance give away the fact that you have bought into a lie on so many levels and anyone who challanges you is evil and ignorant. Your posts seeth with raging hatred for christians(the real kind, not the passive liberal ones) and ad hominum attacks upon those who disagree with you and challenge you to substantiate your assertions. But, I do not expect anything less. These are typical Alinsky tactics. My experience in life thus far has been that those who claim to champion tolerance and the down troden always seem to never fail to be the most racist and intolerant and class oriented when you scratch beneath the surface just a little bit, never mind the least generous. And my experience is not at the mercy of your opinion. Stephen, seek truth for truth will set you free. Get help man. Peace for your soul is just around the corner. I pray you find it.
Fake Christians like you are sick.
You have almost no facts whatsoever on your side, and you are possibly one of the most hateful people I have ever encountered. I probably couldn't find a monster like you in real life if I tried.
You are too far gone to even bother with anymore. Goodbye, demon.
"The only thing you have to accept for gays to get equal rights is that America is supposed to be a nation where all individuals are to be treated equally regardless of their creed, color, orientation, etc." - stephen
really? Last time I checked, "orientation" is only a protected condition in your more "progressive" locales, not in federal law. So Stephen, why the continued attempts to indoctrinate school children with your utter nonsense???(not you personally, the homo-lobby - then again, I know nothing about you, might be you)
"The majority were against allowing blacks equal rights, too." -stephen
Nice, trying to hook your dispicable behaviour to the civil rights movement.
That is another tactic of the left and an insult to all who took up the cause.
So were those Republicans who helped pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (over the objections of many democrats) totally evil too???
Line up someone who is black, a woman, a hasidic jew and a muslim, an oriental, a indigenous indian, an east indian and throw in a homosexual a lesbian and a few male and female heteros, I can guarantee you that most people would not be able pick the homos out of the line up.
You want preferential treatment for your BEHAVIOUR. Not for something you cannot control, like whether your skin is light or dark or whether you were born rich or poor or male or female. You want your sodomy and everything that heteros can have (plus a claim to a superior sense of fashion).
I don't care how you live, just don't try to force me to approve of your choices. And don't presume to be morally superior, every culture that has elevated homosexuality and pederasty has descended into irrelavancy and decline.
You wrote:
"Or is that yet another example where you fundamentalist bigots have re-written history to fit in with your sick, hateful world view?
You have to be one of the craziest people I’ve ever encountered. You’ve shown that you clearly don’t care about freedom for all citizens in this country, and that you only care about freedom for those who are JUST LIKE YOU. You represent the worst kind of evil: totally selfish and completely without conscience." -stephen
The bigots are folks like you who when coming up against resistance, become verbally abusive and eventually violent. As a typical marxist might.
The selfishness that exists is on your side, you want to live however you choose but then don't want to assume responsibility for that choice. Every choice has a cost. If I choose to be married, then I fore go every other woman. Period. If I choose to be a resident of Montana, then I cannot be a resident of Florida. That is life. Grown ups accept that. It's time to grow up. You cannot put up a logical arguement so you again descend into verbal abuse, anyone who tells you "NO" is then evil. Your argument is not with me but with God who's existance you deny. You need help man. It won't be easy, but you can change. Repent. Then, go and sin no more.
"Homosexuals demanding to marry is a demand to force all of society to accept their “lifestyle” choice, as self-destructive as it may be." - wes in MT
Any more utter BS you'd like to spew?
The only thing you have to accept for gays to get equal rights is that America is supposed to be a nation where all individuals are to be treated equally regardless of their creed, color, orientation, etc. If you have a problem with that, then go start your little religious dictatorship somewhere else.
"You are incorrect concerning marriage, it was a religious institution long before it was a state institution."
No, I'm quite correct that marriage is a state institution in America, and in fact, marriage was an institution of the state to the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc., long before YOUR religion was ever invented.
So yet again, you arguments are just plain wrong.
"BUT, When you demand that the laws be changed to force acceptance of behaviour that the majority in this country still reject( votes to legalize homo -marriage have failed nearly every time – the law has only been changed by fiat) you are then seeking to dictate how the rest of us live"
The majority were against allowing blacks equal rights, too.
Or is that yet another example where you fundamentalist bigots have re-written history to fit in with your sick, hateful world view?
You have to be one of the craziest people I've ever encountered. You've shown that you clearly don't care about freedom for all citizens in this country, and that you only care about freedom for those who are JUST LIKE YOU. You represent the worst kind of evil: totally selfish and completely without conscience.
Your logic is flawed from the outset. Let's suppose we are discussing equal rights for members of NAMBLA. These creeps advocate lowering or removing the age of consent. The guise of "equal rights" does not work for them or for homosexuals. The laws of our land protect all equally (except latley if you happen to be a christian who opposes gay marriage in CA).
Every choice has its costs. You are incorrect concerning marriage, it was a religious institution long before it was a state institution. Strong marriage protection benefits the women and children the most and this benefits society. Homosexuals demanding to marry is a demand to force all of society to accept their "lifestyle" choice, as self-destructive as it may be. Do you feel the same about polygamy???? Hmm??? After that, why not let you marry your favorite horse, or dog??? No one is trying to prevent you from living how you want to. BUT, When you demand that the laws be changed to force acceptance of behaviour that the majority in this country still reject( votes to legalize homo -marriage have failed nearly every time - the law has only been changed by fiat) you are then seeking to dictate how the rest of us live by demanding we accept your choices and not voice our opinions for fear of legal prosecution. Accept responsibility for your choices - forcing others to approve of whatever you do will not make the inner conflict go away. Only repentance and sinning no more will do that.
well, if you cared about America and its history, you would know that our law descends from natural law as put forth John Locke and many others and also has roots in english common law. Care to guess where many of those laws have their root? Right back in judiac law and the Ten Commandments.
You write,"Tell me, why should they have to follow the rules of your religion?" Well, I don't think you should have to follow the rules of my religion - but I also take issue with a minority group of deviants demanding that I accept and approve of their self-destructive choices. That is a huge distinction. Following your logic, we ought to follow the model of Denmark and the Netherlands - right into societal decline. I know you don't see it that way. I don't care. Ever read the verse "woe to those who call evil good and good evil" - Isaiah 5:20. As for your scripture "he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone",(John 8:7) Are you even aware of the context? Have you any idea the point Jesus was making?? These men brought a woman caught in the act of adultery - takes 2 to tango - where was the man in the act???? nowhere to be found- He was pointing out there double standard and they were trying to trap Him because the law was clear on the punishment - death- so, he turned the tables on them.
He began to write in the sand -some speculate he was writing out the sins of the woman's accusers - one by one, the crowd went away. Jesus looks up and asks, "woman, where are your accusers?? and then He admonishes her "Neither do I condemn you, go and SIN NO MORE." He didn't giver her a free pass, but He did show mercy. That's very different than the all encompassing "tolerance" that turns a blind eye and even approves of self-destructive behaviour. Tell me, how loving is it to tell someone who is a raging alcoholic that he's o.k. as he slowly drinks himself to death???
Christ also said that He came as a sword, to divide -Mathew 10:34-39. Stephen you really need to get some help with whatever it is that torments you. Better to fall on the Rock and be broken than to have the Rock fall on you and be crushed. Matt 21:44
Get help, man.
"You write,”Tell me, why should they have to follow the rules of your religion?” Well, I don’t think you should have to follow the rules of my religion – but I also take issue with a minority group of deviants demanding that I accept and approve of their self-destructive choices." - wes in MT
How do THEIR equal rights have anything to do with YOU?
You disapprove? Great. You can't accept even the idea of them, and they disgust you? Fine.
But how can you possibly feel even remotely comfortable with denying them equal rights in the great United States of America?
This country is meant to represent freedom. We invented it.
And as I am sure you probably already know, Wes, people like you disgust ME. I can't stand people like you, with your shameless bigotry and your blind hypocrisy.
BUT, I would still support your right to live your life the way you want to, as hateful and misguided as you are.
That is because I am an American.
And I am damn proud of it.
Again, you just repeat the same right-wing propaganda, almost all of which is total BS.
"By the way, McCarthy was right." - wes in MT
That says it all. You are not well.
For your information, I have several friends who are Christian, and even one who runs his own church. These people are REAL Christians, however, and actually adhere to the Christian virtues of peace, love, tolerance, compassion, charity...
In contrast, the neo-con fundamentalist a$$holes exhibit none of those virtues. They prefer war over peace (for the profits $$$$$$$$), they exude more hate than any political group I’ve ever seen in this country (reminiscent of McCarthyists and the Klan), they are completely intolerant of those different from them (gays can’t have equal rights because of someone else’s religion), they show zero compassion for those less fortunate (compassion costs too much $$$$$$), and they detest the idea of charity for the poor (greed is way easier, just ask George W and his friends $$$$$$$$).
Need I go on?
It’s hard to imagine a more evil bunch of pricks than the neo-cons. It really is.
Do you even know what a "neo-con" is???? They would hardly qualify as "fundamentalists". You write "For your information, I have several friends who are Christian, and even one who runs his own church. These people are REAL Christians, however, and actually adhere to the Christian virtues of peace, love, tolerance, compassion, charity…"
Hey let's all just sing "Kumbya" Stephen!!! And they are so good at it, yet you don't want to be one???? Right, right, "tolerance" is now the highest virtue. Sorry, you must be reading from a different gospel. As for homos and equal rights - It's not enough for that bunch to have negative tolerance - by that I mean I don't approve of your behavoiur, I don't like it and I find it offensive but I take a live and let live attitude. No, that's not enough. Now the homo- lobby wants to criminalize free speach. To make it punishable for not expressing approval of the sodomites lifestyle. to ram it down our throats with all the lies of being born gay, et. al. Sorry, not buying here.
Every choice has it's cost. But, like children who want their own way, they cry "equal rights, why can't we get married, you're discriminating !!" God said it was an abomination-Leviticus 20:13. And oh perish the thought that anyone tell them it is a sin or wrong. Well, I didn't make the rule, it was written over 2,000 years ago. Your argument is with God, not me. So maybe those Christian friends of yours need to be reminded that the highest virtue is the pursuit of truth, for that is what will set you free.
So which parts are not "B.S." Stephen????? I'm surprised that you would even acknowledge that any of what I've written was not B.S.
If you had any intellectual honesty in you, you would acknowledge that McCarthy and his hunt for commies , specifically Alger Hiss, was vindicated by the release of the Venona papers and the Mitrokhin archive. Again, I don't even think you know what a neo-con is. Just a good sounding talking point, oohh, sounds like neo-nazi. . .
"And they are so good at it, yet you don’t want to be one?" - wes in MT
Just because I don't believe in the same things as them doesn't mean we can't get along. They don't use their religion as a weapon, unlike some in this country.
"No, that’s not enough. Now the homo- lobby wants to criminalize free speach. To make it punishable for not expressing approval of the sodomites lifestyle. to ram it down our throats with all the lies of being born gay, et. al. Sorry, not buying here."
Of course not, because you are a judgmental, intolerant jerk. Marriage is a state institution, and it is only a religious one for those who choose for it to be so.
Tell me, why should they have to follow the rules of your religion?
"I didn’t make the rule, it was written over 2,000 years ago. Your argument is with God, not me." - wes in MT
For someone so hateful of science, tell me what evidence you have that those words written 2,000 years ago were really God's will. You have NONE. You just let your hate rule your politics, like most right-wing extremists.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Ever heard of this, Wes? If you had, and you realized the importance of that statement, then you'd be ashamed of yourself. You aren't even close to being a real Christian. More like the exact opposite...
Oh, a man of many contradictions, eh? You come from the middle, eh?
Is that why you are so open about your hatred of anything religious in public life, let alone public office? Yes there are some lunatics out there in every group, yet your hatred for christians is palpable. Why does that send you into a blind rage so easily??? You really do need to see a therapist.
Why is it wrong to question "science" that is based on darwinian thought and cannot be repeated nor observed? We are just to take them at there word? Again, there is only about 5,000 years of recorded history. Thats it. Anyone, no matter how scholarly, who places a date on something beyond that is really just guessing and not always making a very educated one at that, considering their world view and what is at stake. With the history of frauds and fakes in paleonthology, only a fool would not take many of the claims with a grain of salt. Oh, but because I do not (nor do many others) accept blindly what has been shoveled at us by the "scientific" establishment, that makes me some sort of zealot??? you really are a piece of work, and blind with rage at that - so what happened to damage you so???
You claim to be a free marketeer, yet when I tell you what happened in our free market (I am a small business owner) you just dismiss it with ridicule.
the fact that you are so well versed as to what a "tea bagger" is and your anger and hatred for christians would tend to reveal you for what you are.
Most folks outside of the homosexual culture did not know what the reference meant until it was used as a slur against the tea parties, even though, as you stated "I don’t know anyone in this entire country (or any other country, for that matter) who doesn’t know what a ‘teabagger’ is. The term is really common and has been around for decades."
You sir, are the one filled with rage. Simply by aligning with the tea parties, a person by your definition "The teabaggers are perhaps the most ignorant and hateful people I have ever seen in America. They are pure evil, and completely oblivious to the fundamentals set forth in our Constitution."
Really? More evil than the eugenists and progressives who want to "fundamentally change" this country???????
The simple fact that when your assertions are challenged, well then, the challenger is now hateful and ignorant.
Hey, I can keep doing this, you are an easy mark, full of conceit about your insights and wisdom.
I keep coming back around because you do not answer questions, you evade and ridicule. You are a typical troll, masquerading as a centrist.
Just a reminder troll, you do not set the rules of conversation or debate, that law has not yet been passed.
By the way, McCarthy was right.
"nothing but vitriol" - wes in MT
Wow, you did it yet AGAIN!
This is really getting hilarious: I use a word, and then you copy me and use the exact same word in a subsequent post. As I originally said, you are PROJECTING. In fact, I've never seen anyone so desperate that they would feel the need to project so frequently over the course of a discussion. You have issues, man. Seriously.
The greater point is that you are a total hypocrite. You call me a bolshevik in post after post, despite the fact that I am actually quite fond of the free market world I live in, and then you complain that I'm the one tossing around so many insults. Make up your mind, pal.
And don't you see how pathetic your incessant "bolshevik" comments sound? You are so biased to the far right that it makes you utterly paranoid, like a textbook McCarthyist. You are so quick to rabidly despise ANYONE who doesn't agree with your every word (most of which has been told to you by some neo-con charlatan).
But I come from the middle, leaning this way or that depending on the particular issue. And as I've said, I absolutely cannot abide these far-right lunatics, many of whom will freely admit that they actually WANT a religious government, or that they really do want an armageddon-esque WWIII to bring about their fictional "rapture".
What part of that don't you understand? Do you really think that most Americans would want some religious extremist in the White House? Given our Founders' disdain for the Church of England, such a prospect would be quintessentially unAmerican.
" Stephen February 19, 2010, 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm
The teabaggers are perhaps the most ignorant and hateful people I have ever seen in America. They are pure evil, and completely oblivious to the fundamentals set forth in our Constitution.
The fact that Palin is supported by anyone is proof of how utterly stupid these zealots really are. Palin’s anti-science, anti-reality church insists that dinosaurs didn’t really exist over millions of years, and instead only existed a few thousand years ago. They want to get rid of science in schools, and instead foist their obviously fake religion upon everyone. It’s so sick that there aren’t even words for their kind of evil.
How could anyone in their right mind risk allowing these radical right-wing zealots to gain control of our country?
I’m no Democrat, but I wouldn’t vote for any of these neo-con lunatics in a million years.
“Nothing is worse than a monster who thinks he is right with God.”
“Of all of the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny of religion is the worst.” "
This was the post that started it all - nothing but vitriol. And anyone who challenges you is hateful and ignorant. Stephen, you are not clever by half.
Your skills at arguing are weaker than a 5th grader. No substance, just continue to ridicule. not working out very well for you.
About stem cell research - depending where you got your information - it was easy to find out at the time about what was successful and what was not - there was no mystery except for the one sided reporting in the media.
Again, you do not back up with fact, just ridicule. Hence you are nothing more than a troll. And a waste of time.