Moronic Media Matters claims Wisconsin protests and Tea Party protests are the same thing

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• More Soros with your Media Matters? LMFAO

• As far as I'm concerned, those "Feebagging" senators from wisconsin can stay in hiding. I for one, won't be looking for or missing them.

• Well, if they are the same thing then why aren't they being attacked as racist and violent gatherings of the lunatic fringe?

  • anarchocapitalist I did not say they are the same thing. Please read what I wrote. I wrote that they are two different socialist cults, not a socialist cult cut into two.

    • HUH? I don't believe that I commented on anything you said.
      Since you injected me into this, I was wondering if you even know the meaning of Socialism. You do know that there is a difference between Socialism and Charity, don't you? You do know that there is a difference between thieving and gifting, don't you?

      • I'm not sure many here really know the meaning.. here are a few definitions:

        a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

        any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
        2
        a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
        b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

        A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme.

        Nothing so radical has been proposed or achieved here. Think about Cuba, or Chavez nationalizing whole industries: Telecom, Utilities, Steel, Oil

        What we have here is entitlement cancer, income disparity rising to dangerous extremes, capital flight, a currency in danger, and a government choking on debt. Screaming about so-cial-ism will fix nothing.

        • Agreed. The nasty term we are looking for is not socialism, and using socialism here generates all sorts of repurcussions not related to the point. I think it dilutes the message.

          Socialism is too vague a term anyway -- it has been overused, and means everything from opportunistic to charitable to a card-carrying member of the communist party. In some circles (of idiots), it is a compliment, and in others, it is the ultimate curse word, triggering a wave of thoughtless Pavlovian loathing that frequently ends up leaving the people that buy into it in logically untenable positions. If nothing else, it is another knee-jerk tool of mass manipulation.

          I know a lot of people that feel that what is happening in Washington amounts to socialism, and I can certainly understand why they feel that way. The problem is, socialism has elements in common with what our government is seeking to impose, and many fear that the ongoing slouching towards a socialist system is well in progress in all but name. However, referring to it as such is, as I said, counterproductive. Anyone so accused of it just assumes the innocent pose and says "Who, me? Not little ol' me. I'd *never* wreck the economy, seeking to impose a socialist system upon my country. I *love* my country."

          The correct term is 'rent seeking'. When rent seeking is successful, it turns into bribery, corruption, and individual and corporate welfare.

          All of that is ugly activity, and results in a net loss to our society.

          One group may seek to obtain rent by financing the tea party, and another may seek rent by financing media matters. However, without proof that they are doing this to obtain favor, it is all speculation. Soros' motives may be as pure as the driven shite in pushing for what he believes in. Until the benefit has actually accrued, it is difficult to prove the Koch's internal motivation. There is no proof that the Kochs will accrue a benefit from financing the tea party. Love it or hate it, their donations are useful. However, I find it hard to believe the Kochs are donating in the billions. I believe they *have* billions, but if they *donate* billions, they may not have billions anymore. If they believe so strongly that they are donating everything they have, then I'd have to think that they actually believe in what they are donating to. Rich people *will* make bets. However, you will never find a successful rich person betting every penny they own on one spin of the roulette wheel.

          Decrying donations as 'bad money' implies that a person can donate money to a good cause maliciously, and the people who received such donations are somehow tainted by it. This money remains money that they have earned, and in a (currently) free country, they are welcome to spend it where they wish, as long as they do not commit a crime.

          They may simply be interested in Truth, Justice, and the American Way. They may simply be a convenience to the tea party while their financial paths intersect. It all depends upon whether or not the tea party leadership allows themselves to be bought. It is like a vendor that buys you a dinner, and then tries to 'call in the favor' later. It is free lunch for you only as long as you choose to make it so.

          It is one thing to seek, and another to find. It is one thing to accuse, and another to prove someone's motives. When someone like David impugns the Kochs, he also is making the accusation that someone in the tea party is colluding with them, and has (or will) give them an undue benefit. I don't think any such quid pro quo transaction has taken place -- there are simply too many people in the media trawling for just such proof of corruption that haven't found it yet. They'd love to bring the tea party down, and evidence of such corruption/collusion (while openly celebrated in Congress) would be vital in ending the tea party's influence.

          You and I have a lot in common in despising and wanting to eliminate corporate and individual welfare. If our government were to throw off the financial burdens that are not in its mandate, there would be a lot less of a financial burden placed upon the citizens.

          If David has proof of malfeasance in the tea party, he should bring it forward. Otherwise, he is simply aiding and abetting people that are standing in the way of real political reform, and really ought to think twice about making the accusation without proof.

        • I think David is talking about the Tea Party Express.. who ride around to rallies like rockstars in buses.. This is somehow backed by Koch funding, Dick Armey, etc, and is co-opting or riding-on-coattails of the grassroots Tea Party movement.. Its gotta be millions, and not billions too, i'd agree

        • Awesome. I ran into the term 'rent seeking' again last night while reading this: http://www.businessinsider.com/here-comes-the-imminent-flight-of-us-capital-2010-7

          I had forgotten about it until researching capital flight. The author unifies the parasitism of government, banking & corporations, entitlement abusers, and any other 'rent seeker'Sadly i gotta get to to work now

        • Great article.

        • Well said Perlcat!

    • David, where do you get all this so called information about the secretive and nefarious funding behind the Tea Party? They get the majority of their funding from people who can't afford to send more than ten or twenty or fifty dollars during a pay period. We don't have well heeled and deep pocketed donors like the Democrat(ic Socialist) Party does. Now let's talk about millions and millions of secretive and nefarious fundig from who knows where, shall we? Stop with this fixation you have about illegal donations from shady foreign governments and filthy rich capitalist pigs who belong to the World Trade Organization...stop your projecting. You libtards are guilty of this in spades, but just because you know you're guilty of all of the above, don't dare think the rest of us are swimming in the same cesspool with you!

      • I keep making this point because people keep insinuating that I am a liberal. I AM NOT. I believe that the goverment has no right providing social rights AT ALL. No healthcare, no public roads, no public education, no libraries, no public research...NOTHING...The provision of ANY social rights is socialism. I said on a different thread that if you believe that some social provision is acceptable and some is not, then you are a socialist, fine, deal with it, but do not prescribe to me values that are not true. I hold this view regardless of political party. The provision of tax dollars to private companies is socialism just like public education is. Let me be clear...I OPPOSE ALL SOCIALISM REGARDLESS OF PARTY. With regards Koch Industries being the financial backers of The Tea Party, this was revealed about six months ago. Google it. I have not made it up. Broadly I support Tea Party movement or at least the people who follow it although they ultimately support socialism also, for example Medicaid.

        • David, I understand your point; however, why is it not ok for the Koch brothers to financially back a point of view but EVERY other person/corporation/union with money/interests/point of view can? If you look up Soros on Wikipedia he did everything he could to keep GW Bush out of office? If your going to disparage the Tea Party for Koch brothers support, you have to include EVERYONE who uses their power/money/influence who financially back groups who support their own interests?

        • Hi KB, Oh it is a very simple point. Oh course Koch can support any organisation it chooses to. I do nopt have a problem with that at all. What I have a problem with is that I would hope that most people who support Tea Party principles would absolutely NOT support enormous tax payer subsidies to private companies and therefore most TP followers probably do not know about Koch`s influence within the movement nor about the billions it receives in such subsidies. In other words TP movement is being, in part, paid for in tax subsidies. I will call it socialism.

  • That is a fine point you make, anarcho. A damn fine point.

    • It is a fine point, & I'll tell why they don't get attacked. Because conservatives & tea party people have class. They understand right from wrong, & they know how to conduct themselves with decency.

      • I know that conservatives and libertarians would not falsely attack anyone and I know that the Marxist/Communist/Socialist sycophants in the LSM would never be able to see the truth or if they did, they would never report on it. I just couldn't control my own sarcasm.

      • Why are the people on this website more interested in media constructs than the reality of Tea Party funding and what it means for those people who are following it for genuine reasons?

        • Why are people like us into media constructs? Well David, we have noticed over the years that the MSM has taken sides(as they always do), & people like me want to see the MSM destroy itself. We help out by pointing to the bias & the distortions. Then we track the ratings & circulation numbers, see that they are still on their downward spiral, & we smile.

          BTW, the reality of the Tea Party is a return to CONSTITUTIONAL GOV'T. 1 that lives within it's means & understands it's role. The future of our republic depends on it. Also, I know how violent & hardcore the Tea Party has been in the streets, because the MSM tells us that it is. But what you are seeing right now across the muslim world is non-violent? You know, after Greg Polcott & Olaf Whig of FoxNews got their asses kicked. CBS's Lara Logan gets gang-raped in Egypt, & we can go back & remember what happened to Daniel Pearl. He was the WSJ reporter who was beheaded by Kahlid Sheik Muhammad. So Davie Boy, lets talk about reality...or maybe not.

        • I consider myself a moderate, leaning to the right. I am not a tea partier. The assumption that everyone not a radical left wing, bleeding heart liveral is a tea party is so false as to be ridiculous. The tea party is a relatiely small group of people compared to the population as a whole. If they come up with ideas that resonate with a lot of people (not enough teapartiers to do it alone) then it gets passed, or that candidate gets elected. Instead of worrying about the teaparty, why don't the democrats take a good long look at the direction their party is taking, and note the resistence of the majority of Americans. Iknow you find it shocking, but there are a lot of smart, responsible thinking voters in the fly-over states. And we get ignored by those on the 2 coasts. Look and learn!

• This issue is typical of the bullshit coverage that you get on all television stations whther right or left. We get the coverage from either the democracy angle of the left or budgetry angle of the right, as if the left have always been in favour of democracy and the right have always been in favour of fiscal conservativism. I cant watch the news because the hyprocrisy makes me sick. In truth the coverage should be one cult of socialists against another cult of socialists, but as either one of these cults also owns the television stations we are unlikely to get the truth. The tea party are also just a bunch of socialists. It is a front from Koch Industries and their campaign for flat taxes. That is Koch Industries that whilst been the largest private company in the world received 10`s and in somecases 100`s million in subsidies from EVERY state in which it employs people as well as billions in state federal subsidies. The Tea Party are socialists.

  • David, I only gave you a thumbs up because you got brass posting such libtard blather on this website. I also know I'm the only one who's going to give your BS a thumbs up. Remember, I didn't do it because I agreed with your cynical snarky horse hooey, rather because, even though you don't seem to have any brains, you do have some cheek! Bravo! Now go back to your mom's basement and play with your toys.

    • Sorry Hisham. I gave him thumbs up, but only because I have a habit if clicking the thumb after reading only the first line of the post. Tea Party socialist? What a maroon.

      • I take it then you have no problem with the Tea Party been funded by a company that extorts billions of our dollars although it is enormously profitable? You are a socialist.

        • Lets see some numbers Davy-boy, show us the proof that Koch Industries supported any tea party gathering in the nation.

          Nobody supported any rally I attended, no sponsors, nothing. These were simple meetings attended by like minded people who do not like the direction our politicians are taking this country. Not much different than a bunch of Babtists meeting at their church Sunday morning.

        • You want to be a little more specific, David? We can tear you apart much more accurately when we know exactly which lie you're spewing. And I believe being is spelled being, not been.

        • Project much?

        • Pot meet the kettle....ever hear of a gentleman called Soros?? Not to mention the fact the my tax dollars are supporting public unions. Therefore, I'm being FORCED to support, via unions, policies I absolutely do not agree with. In my opinon not a good use of MY tax dollars!

        • Soros, gentleman? That's going a bit out of your way to be polite, don't you think? Or was that sarcasm?

        • He's a 'gentleman' only in the sense that it was written on a board and nailed to the door of a restroom and he used it once.

          It is equally valid to call him a 'squirt' as opposed to a 'squat', but not sure he uses the restroom in those sorts of places.

        • Can someone point me to the case against Soros?

          I'm not really buying the whole Nazi collaborator thing.. I'm not that worried about decriminalization of marijuana either (as others here have also stated). Is it fear that he wants to devalue our currency so he can short it?

        • Alien: Just do some searches regarding Soros and the Democratic Party

        • I have, a bit.. He's as partisan as the Koch bros (pot/kettle, as you say).. I am getting leery about this fetish for currency shorting, though. Bears further research

        • From what I've seen, looks to me like Soros is a lot like a nasty person that won the lottery, and their new-found wealth just amplifies their true character for all the world to see.

          He made a killing in the markets, but I defy him to do the same thing over again. He just got lucky. The problem is that he feels that his good fortune makes whatever he is doing "right", but he isn't able to make room in his definition of "right" for other people. Some of the things he has funded are just perversions of democracy -- the secretary of state project comes to mind.

          Don't get me wrong -- I am all for fair elections -- but his project has been tied to finding SOS'es that are more fair to candidates from the left, and as an American, that's intolerable.

          His past history makes my skin crawl -- but the part that really bothers me is how he admits feeling about it now. I believe that the man is catering to the current antisemitism in the left -- but anybody that can sell out on that level is scary indeed.

          Now, don't get me started on Buffet. I think he's a ghoul, literally making his fortune out of graveyards. He's for higher inheritance taxes, because then his insurance companies make more money sheltering the transfer of funds from parents to children, and he's made a killing buying businesses lost in the inevitable fire sale after the owner's death in order to pay the inheritance taxes. His picture belongs in the dictionary next to the word ghoul -- I don't think you can find a more textbook definition of what a contemporary ghoul would do.

          You can make a fair case that any billionaire or large business or labor organization funding politics is trying to butter his bread in some way or another, skewing political contests to where they make a profit or gain an undue advantage -- but I'd say that the Kochs are probably the lesser of about a thousand evils.

        • Absolutely!

        • Uh, soros's own words. He helped confiscate property from Jews. He was, though only fourteen years old at the time. Probably wouldn't be too hard to find proof of current day collaboration.Democrats are socialists, he is their best friend and financier, and just how much difference, pray tell is there between a socialist and a communist? Have a look-see at the American communist party's website (the name of it escapes me) and see if You can find any differences between them and the Dims.

        • No tax dollars should ever go to unions. No absolutely not.

        • Well, my tax dollars pay for public employees, public employees have unions which they must join. They are paying union dues, unions support democratic candidates and policies.

        • $4.1 million just for the 2010 campaign cycle.

          Over $8 million to Obama for his election campaign

        • Projection much?

• My parents and aunts and older cousins were and some still are 'teachers.' That said, they were all liberal! I don't know what saved me from a life of miserable and arrogant stupidity, well actually I do, it was God's grace. I'm sure that twenty-two plus years in the Army had a lot to do with my attitudes as well. We need to realize that most of these so called teachers are nothing more than useful idiots for their union up-line. Unfortunately for the commies in the unions, they're more than likely nothing more than useful idiots for their handlers in China and Russia! Who's going to trust a traitor after this nation goes down the sewer and the rest of us are either dead or imprisoned?

• I went to the Tea Party protest of the Union rally here in Denver. I have to tell you it was VERY interesting. The Tea Party people stood at the bottom of the steps by the street, hold signs, cheering and once in a while chanting, maybe about 100 people in all.Once the Union rally was finished which was on the steps of the capital, so basically they were above us; a bunch of them came and stood above us on the steps shouting at us. One guy came down into our crowd and was screaming (spittle spewing and everything) "don't f*&k with the unions if you do you'll be sorry." They started out higher up on the stairs, then they kept getting closer and closer, standing with their arms crossed or on their hips...very much appearing they were ready to start trouble, talk about a bunch of thugs. Finally a line of cops had to separate the two group. VERY INTERESTING!Here's a link to some videos shot at the rally/protest.http://redwhitebluenews.com/?p=15796

  Here's an interesting video, union working harassing a young black Tea Partier.

  http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/seiu-protester-harasses-black-tea-partier-do-you-have-any-children-that-you-claim-video/

• Media Matters is a Soros funded criminal front group. Anything they say should be fact, anything & EVERYTHING. They are good for a laugh, & BTW, any media outlet who takes their "press releases" seriously & presents it as "news", should not be taken seriously either. Judging by the ratings tajectory over the years, more & more people don't take those same outlets seriously as well.

• Hey has anyone noticed that all of the "doctors" where violating the HIPPA act when they where passing out the sick notes. Asking what was wrong in front of so many and even on TV. Where is the DoJ, HS and any other agency that has jurisdiction over this?

  If UofW has any balls about them, they will either suspend or fire the "doctors" for violating several federal laws and the privacy of their "patients"

  As for the comparison of the unions protesting and the Tea Party, Tea Party members work during the week so we can pay the freight of those that choose not to work during the work and protest. We can only protest and voice our opinions on the weekend.

  • By writing "sick notes" with no exam, one can assume they are also guilty of malpractice. And these same doctors won't give a kid a note for school unless he is on his deathbed. We teach our children it is wrong to lie and cheat, then their teachers take them to see a protest in which 80% (or more) of the participants are lying and cheating. Any teacher who was not in school should have their pay docked. I am sorry for any legitimate sick ones-complain to your peers. As far as collective bargaining-let 'em! And when they can't get a contract because they are unreasonable, they can experience the consequences of their behaviour-all the rest of us are given a wage or salary amount and you take it or leave it. They need to be able to do the same thing. In Texas, teachers are sweating whether they will have a JOB, much less arguin about collective bargaining.

• This seems like a pretty stupid fight to me. Let them keep their collective bargaining and just fire them all if they don't want to give concessions.

  I'm sure some of the unemployed or underemployed workforce would be glad to get a steady gig. Many probably could teach better anyway.

  I went to a supposedly "good" public school and have specific memories of teachers not understanding simple concepts like percentages. It may be good to have a few faculty that have worked in the real world. Best HS teacher and college professors I ever had were ex-industry.

  • I have been saying since this nonsense started that Governor Walker should cave in, let the unions have what they want. Then, when the state budget is figured out, let the unions explain to the 6,000 or more gooberment employees that have lost their job, to balance the budget, why they no longer have a job.

• You notice they had to search and search and search for signs like these at tea party rallies. And when they did find one or two? The meda tended not to mention that often they were outside the tea party main area or were told to stop showing signs like that....

  @Paden - Yes the Nazi's were a leftist organization. That fact is often conveniently forgotten if the fact is known at all.

  • The roots of fascism started in the 1870s in Italy. Left-wing radical social organizations used the word fascio in their names. In 1919 the left-wing nationalist league borrowed some of the ideologies of these groups and formed the Fascio di Combattimento. It became "fascism" two years later. It prized violence, idealism, and anti-materialism and at the same time rejected extreme imperialism and racism. Sound familiar? Huh? Fascism is left-wing. Always has been.