College May Not Be Worth It Anymore. Yep. Especially when you have professors teaching job getting classes on ANTIFA, Gender Studies and Commie 101.

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NeverTrump
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NeverTrump

If it wasn’t for colleges, how do people become doctors, lawyers, scientists and engineers?

Not so silent
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Not so silent

Medical school, Law School, Engineering School…There are a lot of private schools, plus they don’t get indoctrinated in the social justice bullshit.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

Nobody is saying that college is completely useless dingleberry, it depends on the classes the kid takes. What good is a degree in ancient African Languages? What kind of job are you going to get with that kind of degree?

Besides that, I am an engineer and I quit high school after the 9th grade and never went to college. I learned with a shovel in my hand. I learned how to run heavy equipment. I learned how to put together a bid estimate. I learned how to build a highway, a bridge, a dam across a river and I did all of it with no college degree. When colleges start teaching instead of indoctrinating again I might start thinking about them with a more favorable opinion.

JPTravis
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Those things didn’t used to take place on a campus. If you wanted to become a lawyer you went and read lawbooks while working with an established lawyer. If you wanted to be a doctor you went to a place that taught medicine. If you wanted to be an engineer you went to work and acquired the necessary skills from experience and other engineers. Universities were for learning basic fundamental knowledge, the classics, like Greek, Latin, mathematics, philosophy, history, etc., the items which were necessary basic starting blocks to form you into an educated citizen. Now all the basic building blocks for forming educated citizens are completely ignored. We are graduating reams of ignorant savages who cannot even read and write, and who have no understanding whatsoever of their own civilization.

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You said the magic two words, reading and math. How can anyone figure out what the plans say if you cannot read? A building, a highway, a bridge, a dam, anything that has to be built has plans drawn up by someone but you have to know how to read to understand the plan. I learned the old fashioned way, from old timers who had been doing construction work for years. I remember working with college kids with their calculators. How many cubic feet of asphalt are we going to need to pave X amount of roadbed if the mat is 2 inches thick after compacted. I learned the formula when I was young and could get out my pen and a piece of paper and have the answer while those educated kids were still poking buttons on their calculator. Same with concrete, which is calculated by the cubic yard. Got a box culvert or slab to build? Simple. The formula is length times width times depth divided by 27. That gives you the cubic yards of concrete you need. I don’t care how fancy a calculator you have if you don’t know the basic math formulas you can poke buttons all day while I’ll have the answer in a minute or so. With a piece of paper and a pencil. And I quit school, got a GED when I was in basic training, then started learning from the old timers after I got out of the service, no college for me. I’m not saying it was an easy life because it wasn’t. But I made damn good money in my career, I made sure my family was taken care of, and that is all that matters to me.

flashingscotsman
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I was never without my calculator on the job, Hewlett-Packard HP-11c was my favorite, because other people couldn’t figure out how to operate it.

But I’ll never forget the one grade checker on a bridge job on I-15 near the California/Nevada border, when the superintendent asked him a question.
He had his calculator out, and looked kinda confused,…”Well, it SHOULD be,…”

The super grabbed the calculator and looked it over,…”There isn’t a ‘should be’ button on this damned thing! I want the ANSWER!”

JPTravis
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I think college education is as big a scam as Global Warming. Mind you, I believe in learning, and the value of knowledge and wisdom. I just see zero evidence that imparting knowledge and wisdom is the function of modern higher education. The only people getting any value out of it are the people attending the glorified trade schools to become lawyers, doctors, or dentists. Trades like that. Which for the life of me I cannot understand why that training needs to happen on a college campus.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

I’ve said here many times, I quit school after the 9th grade and went to work. I have four younger brothers but dad didn’t have any education, he quit school in the 8th grade and went to work, hard labor jobs was all he could get, so I went to work and gave most of my pay to mom to help out. And we both taught ourselves to be engineers. After I got out of the service I went back to road construction because that was all I knew. And like my father I learned how to put together a bid proposal, build a highway or bridge or dam across a river. And it didn’t take some fancy college degree, all it took was the willingness to work hard and learn. In fact, some of the sorriest bosses I ever had were college boys. Their father owned the company or was some kind of big wig in the company and they would hire their kid when he got out of college. And they were dumber than dirt. They never had a shovel in their hands, they never ran a loader or dozer or backhoe, they didn’t know shit. All they knew was what some teacher and book told them. A college degree does not mean smart, it means you know how to read a book and pass a test. My father, me, a lot of men I know are proof of that.

flashingscotsman
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When I was an operator’s apprentice, I had a superintendent who was also a licensed Resident Engineer. He inspired me to take classes to get my Civil Engineering degree. I’ll never forget what he told me, though.

“Schooling is fine, but don’t let it get in the way of your education.”

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Not so silent

Stick with trade schools. 4 year colleges are like adult day care for morons with no life. Bubble wrap, puppies and safe rooms are for 5 year olds. Most of the people coming out of college now can’t even read or write.

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Joe Redfield

Maybe the Progressives are right – why charge tuition for something that is worthless?