Deputies called to suspected shooter’s home 39 times over seven years. We have a shooter who was expelled from school, making violent threats on YouTube, seeing a shrink up until approximately a year ago and now this, not to mention an FBI visit. We have to ask why the shooter was allowed to buy guns. Why wasn’t he in jail or a mental institution? It appears everyone in town knew he had bad problems. But let’s blame guns and pass more gun-control laws that won’t prevent this type of thing.

But the nature of the emergencies at his Parkland home included “mentally ill person,” “child/elderly abuse,” “domestic disturbance” and “missing person,” KTLA reported.

Addition from the Daily Mail

  • He told authorities that voices in his head told him how to carry out the shooting
  • According to his legal team he suffers from autism, depression and has other significant psychological problems

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KimmyQueen
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Mandatory institutional care with people with SEVERAL mental deficiencies/abnormalities/disorders/diseases (more than three) and SEVERE symptoms that makes it hard for them to function in normal society, and are either untreated or they won’t work with a psychiatrist to be treated. Put them away for at least 3 years where they will get treatment, therapy, basic care, basic healthcare, and education/training so when they leave they can have good habits, good health and good education/training so they can get a job and be useful to society. Follow up with at least 2 years of social care. If the mind is too severely damaged then keep them there forever.

We spend TRILLIONS of dollars for what exactly? We have bunch of social programs and what is going on with those? If there is fraud, debt and other issues then correct them. Free up the resources and get secular and religious groups involved that are privately funded.

JPTravis
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In every area of the country there are non-profits who take care of such people with residence centers, in-home visits, etc. Then there are the REALLY bad people and that’s who my daughter’s company works with. It makes my blood freeze when she tells me about some of these people. Violent, perverted, twisted, disconnected from reality, BAD. When the normal non-profits won’t touch them, her company steps in. (I don’t mind the crazy people so much but my blood boils hearing about the twisted perverts. Basically, regular people have no idea what sort of evil creeps are walking around out there.) And here’s the thing: all the money that her company earns comes from the government so I cannot see how closing all the big state hospitals saved us any money. On the contrary, having them spread out all over the area in their parents’ or their own homes seems incredibly inefficient to me. And unsafe.

Regarding the perverts, here’s how stupid these programs are: when a child molester, for example, has served his time and gets released but the government still believes he’s dangerous, they pay my daughter’s company to “monitor” them, which means they follow them every step of their existence outside their own home. So you will have some sick pervert washing dishes in a greasy spoon and the government will be paying someone to sit back there and watch him wash dishes. Is that stupid or what? Between the wages he’s earning from the restaurant and the supplement the government gives him and the money the government is paying the person who sits there watching him wash dishes, that’s one very expensive dishwasher.

drb
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drb

I take offense to the bolding of the term “Autism” in the post above. If he was hearing voices in his head, he likely has schizophrenia, and that would be the more likely mental illness involved here, not the Autism.

Autism by itself doesn’t increase violent tendencies or serious behavioral problems. Most autistic people are hermit like, and wouldn’t hurt anyone for any reason. If they do, something else is going along side of the Autism.

So we need to be careful here with making the false assumption that a person on Autism spectrum should be denied their second amendment rights. I know Autism is considered a mental illness but I think that isn’t were it should be classified, since it also have physical difference in their brain structure (making it medical). Namely, many more brain synapses, meaning the have more connections in their brains and they therefore use more of their brain at once when processing the information the brain receives, which can be overwhelming. This is why they tend to isolate themselves (or do weird things like wear ear muffs in summer) in an attempt to reduce outside stimuli. They are crazy, they just want a bit of peace.

Other physical /medical differences would be lack of muscle tone and coordination which is why many of them spend a lot of time in both occupational and speech therapy, just so you know.

JPTravis
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My daughter works with such people and the company has one client who is diagnosed “autistic” who sincerely wants to kill people at times. When she gets in one of her rages, the mother and any and all caregivers present have to basically run for their lives, get a piece of furniture like the dining room table between them and her, and wait it out. I don’t know why this is so much at variance with what you say. Maybe its the “other significant psychological problems” mentioned above, so maybe you’re right that the “autism” shouldn’t be in bold, I don’t know. But it seems like autism, in spite of what you say, is often accompanied by violence. The most autistic boy I ever saw was the son of friends. A long time ago they had a Super Bowl party and this little boy kept kicking my teenage daughter (same daughter by weird coincidence) in the shin, hard. Over and over. Every time she would say, “Stop that. If you keep doing that I’m going to kick you back.” But there was no communicating with him, he was in his own world. Finally she did. Problem solved, although probably not what the professionals would recommend and his parents were not happy with my daughter.

drb
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drb

Yeah, it’s those “Other psychological problems”

JPTravis
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So is it that doctors diagnose autism when they really don’t know what else to say? I see kids with that same diagnosis evincing all kinds of different behaviors and it makes me wonder. Actually, they don’t even say “autism” anymore, do they? They say a kid is “on the spectrum.” It’s like “multiple sclerosis” which was always just something the doctor would say when he didn’t have a fucking clue what was wrong.

drb
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drb

NO, I wouldn’t say that…usually the dump all when they don’t know what else to say on the psychological/behavioral front (although again I don’t think that is the correct category to place Autism) would be ADHD and then they give them drugs…see any problems there? (Sandy Hook/Auroria culprits were taking psychiatric drugs…miss a day and chaos often ensues) Autism (again by itself) typically doesn’t need drugs. They say “on the spectrum” because there is a sliding scale in terms of severity, where the further to the left on the scale, the more mental retardation and inability to do for themselves verses further to the right on the scale where they are super-geniuses and completely functional on their own (driving, working, living in their own place, paying the bills,shopping, cooking and cleaning, just like everyone else, except they prefer to be alone or with very few others that they have known for years and may be viewed as a bit robotic). Hmmm, who else might be like that? left/right.

Some people with Autism also have mild depression, but look at how they are discriminated against. Wouldn’t you have a little depression too, if you have no where to go where you could just be yourself without other people staring at you and calling you weird simply because you aren’t comfortable with looking people in the eye, or being touched or touching things due to tactile sensitivity or because you have monotone speech patterns or because your thinking is too literal? Wouldn’t you be a little depressed if those same things mentioned above (that you can’t help because that is how your brain is wired with those extra connections that other people don’t have) kept you from getting a job, just because the person interviewing you doesn’t understand Autism? I think you would be.

And I wouldn’t say that about MS either since there is diagnostic evidence to prove it…but perhaps one dump all on the medical/physical side might be fibromyalgia, where the pain is real but there is no diagnostic proof of it other than a slight bump in the inflammation markers in the blood which any scratch could also cause.

JPTravis
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Maybe now they have evidence for MS now but when I was young I think that diagnosis was a catchall. My golf league partner’s wife has had MS since high school and is now in her sixties. It’s been a long slow deterioration while she had five children and lived a fairly full life. And I know another woman who was diagnosed with MS and was dead in two years. WTF? It’s hard for me to believe those are two examples of the same disease.

drb
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drb

It can be seen on MRI and there are also blood markers to detect MS.

As to the one who died 2 years post diagnosis, well, we don’t know what other underlying conditions she might have had that contributed to her passing. In the end, it might not have been the MS that killed her.

KimmyQueen
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Maybe that was a trigger that led her to where she is now. The f was wrong with that boy, leads to… I want to understand, that leads to let me study this, that leads to… let me work with this people so I can help and maybe keep some girl out there from being kicked like I was.

I don’t care that they weren’t happy with her. She warned his ass, she did it audibly enough. The parents should have done something like lock him up in a safe room with stuff to occupy his mind and check on him throughout the day or put him in a home or one of them sacrificed the day to stay with him elsewhere in the house or in the town while the other hosted the party.

Having a party and then unloading their child on people without a warning is wrong. Doing nothing when it is clear the child is having a fit because of all the people in his world is wrong. Dumbass parents failed miserably.

JPTravis
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If I was going to theorize, I would say my daughter has a presence, an aware fun presence that makes her very attractive in almost any setting, especially to little kids–she’s like a magnet–and the little autistic boy was attracted exactly like all the other kids but had no idea how to express that attraction. He saw the other little ones playing with her and having fun and just didn’t know how to participate.

drb
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drb

I’d see it like that.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

“We have to ask why the shooter was allowed to buy guns.”

Hes a Democrat?
The left wanted him to do this so they could push for gun confiscation?

deepthinker
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deepthinker

Leave it to the politically correct LEO admins to ignore all the damn signs. Here in the Bluegrass there is such a thing of a 72 hour emergency holder.

JPTravis
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“Why wasn’t he in jail or a mental institution?”

That’s what I’m saying. We don’t do that anymore. We allow mentally ill people to walk around threatening people and shitting on the sidewalk, because that’s what liberals wanted.