Cardinal George of Chicago warns Catholic Church will shut down its hospitals, clinics, and charities before submitting to HHS mandate. Well, BO likely sees that as a feature, not a bug; saves him the trouble of taking them over by force.

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danybhoy
February 27, 2012 12:47 pm

Going Gault, the best way to tell Obama to pound sand. We need more of this, much more.

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hisham
February 27, 2012 9:35 pm

DB, please forgive me for interjecting myself into your post, but my wife came across this little tidbit while looking into just what Obama Care would mean to us as military retirees. If you have any friends in the military, or have friends who are retired military, or have friends who have children in the military please post this to them and make them aware of what is about to happen to them. This piece of legislation is going to be voted on soon and plans are in the making to start it in 2013, so that the conniving, lying progressives can get this POS on the books after the election but before anyone feels the pinch and too late for us to do anything about it. I hope you will help me get the word out: http://freebeacon.com/trashing-tricare/ If anyone reading this post is a retiree you’ll understand this: I stood on my head in a bucket of shit for twenty plus years just to get this and a handful of other retirement benefits and they’re about to be ripped out of my hands…slam…bam…thank you mam! These same benefits for unionized civilian DOD employees will not be touched…what total horse… Read more »

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StrinaM
February 27, 2012 9:47 pm

Hell, even us AD miltary and our families are targeted with that “POS”. I think I’m regretting that last reenlistment.

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GhostntheMachine
February 29, 2012 1:51 am

Didn’t know you were in and would like to pass on a sincere Thank You and God Bless to you and your family.

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hisham
February 29, 2012 3:15 pm

You’re welcome.

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danybhoy
February 28, 2012 3:43 am

No apology is needed.

BTW, any military, active or retired, who actually supports today’s democrat party is a fool.

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February 28, 2012 5:30 am

Agreed.

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poppajoe49
February 28, 2012 5:51 am

Yet, there have been times I was waiting outside the VA clinic and talking to some of the Vets, discovered a few that are Odumbass supporters!
They’re easy to pick out of the crowd though, they look like Jerry Garcia lookalike contestants.
Obviously Nam Vets that never stopped smoking opium.

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GhostntheMachine
February 29, 2012 1:52 am

And to you hh for your service.

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February 27, 2012 12:58 pm

And we will see a terrible scene where people with true needs will have no where else to go as everywhere else is a cesspool. Thanks Obamie!

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danybhoy
February 27, 2012 1:54 pm

KQ, when that happens, watch who gets the blame & what the solutions will be. It’s a self fullfilling concept that those who designed Obamacare wanted to build. Create the problem & then offer the solution.

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February 27, 2012 5:35 pm

Even if the solution sucks.

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February 28, 2012 5:33 am

Yep. For the very old they will be asked to end their lives early. For the unborn the mothers will be nudged to defend their reproductive rights and abort. For those in the middle they will be asked to remain on the dole and if unfortunately the care is not there, they just have to deal with it or get mad at the rich (and the Christians) for not being charitable enough. Mad enough that perhaps stealing from them and taking their property is acceptable. Of course the GOVT will do the taking their property thing while the people are just the tools to make it happen.

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Olivia
February 29, 2012 8:20 am

Yep. For the very old they will be asked to end their lives early. For the unborn the mothers will be nudged to defend their reproductive rights and abort. For those in the middle they will be asked to remain on the dole and if unfortunately the care is not there, they just have to deal with it or get mad at the rich (and the Christians) for not being charitable enough. Mad enough that perhaps stealing from them and taking their property is acceptable. Of course the GOVT will do the taking their property thing while the people are just the tools to make it happen.
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Which Obamaphobic propagandist fed you this load of paranoid BS? 😀

(And they keep telling each other I’M the one who talks nonsense…..)

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February 29, 2012 11:31 am

It’s trying to speak again!!!!!

TD,……..

MO.

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StrinaM
February 27, 2012 7:30 pm

KQ, that is what the government wants… for people to have no where else to turn but them. Then they can pull the strings…

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danybhoy
February 28, 2012 4:21 am

Take this to it’s logical end, & ask yourself this, how do you gain ownership of ones loyalty? Give them free sh!t, it’s no different then a dog who becomes a good mooch. If mom does’nt feed doggie from the table, but dad will, doggie will mooch from dad & ignore mom at dinner time.

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February 28, 2012 5:35 am

This is why I am not sure if Obamie is really this evil genius or just an idealistic tool in the hands of another evil genius. I say genius due to the expert knowledge of human nature. Humans beings we can be our worst enemies and these people know it.

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danybhoy
February 28, 2012 11:57 am

He’s both. He knows exactly what he’s doing & he does it because HE IS an idealistic tool.

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February 28, 2012 12:59 pm

Like the Muslims. They do not believe in being good to bring “good” changes to the world. It is rather interesting. In order to bring their version of the messiah the world will have to be filled with the blood of those they consider infidels.

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hisham
February 29, 2012 3:19 pm

I disagree! I see nothing idealistic about advancing socialism, I see it as advancing human misery and slavery…nothing more, nothing less.

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Matthew s harrison
February 27, 2012 1:32 pm

How about the morons stop voting democrat!!! Just a thought.

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danybhoy
February 27, 2012 1:57 pm

You would think that people would figure it out, but no. Many poor people are politically desirable as a tool for power by those who use them to further their political ambitions.

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February 28, 2012 5:38 pm

Many poor people are poor simply because they aren’t too bright. Therefore, Democrat.

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Olivia
February 29, 2012 8:22 am

Many poor people are poor simply because they aren’t too bright.
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You ought to know. Didn’t you once tell us you lost your job in construction?

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MGAP
February 29, 2012 8:32 am

It smells like dogsh*t and sardines up in here.

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February 29, 2012 11:32 am

That’s the bait. She’s getting desperate.

TD,……….

MO.

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Not so silent
March 3, 2012 7:02 pm

MGAP that reminds me of a joke;

A blind guy walks into a bar at a port city and tells the bartender he can tell you how long a piece of wood is and what kid it is by smelling it. And he;ll do it for a drink. The bartender takes him on and brings out a piece of two by four one foot long that is pine. The blind guy sniffs it and says that a one foot pine two by four. Amazing says the bartender and he gives the blind man his first drink.

Then he goes out back of the bar and gets another piece of wood, The blind guy sniffs it and says it a one foot by two foot piece of walnut. The bartender is amazed and buys the guy another drink. A couple jokesters in the bar decide to have some fun with the blind guy, they bring in a local lady of the evening. Well the blind guys sniffs, looks confused, sniffs again, and then just sits there. Finally he says, that’s an outhouse door off a tuna boat………..

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Alien
February 29, 2012 10:12 am

some people aren’t too bright because they grew up poor. There is a feedback loop in there somewhere.

Some people are left in a lurch due to the creative destruction of the free market. Such destruction is necessary, on one timescale (buggy repairman had to find new work, etc). I believe some institutions must be in place to help ease those necessary transitions

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February 29, 2012 10:42 am

I don’t think that anybody would disagree that displaced people should be helped to rejoin the productive. The problem lies in both the mechanics of who and how that is done. It does not help at all that people who claim to “help” them, prefer using them for political advantage. A more egregious example is when the Mayor of Omaha was being put through a recall election, the scumbag sent buses over to the homeless shelters in order to buy their votes with sandwiches.

As Calvin Coolidge once said about such an exchange, “That’s more than the other Democrats got.”

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Alien
February 29, 2012 11:08 am

Yep, the devil is always in the details.

Gargantuan federal programs showering cash on the indolent is clearly not the answer. Completely ignoring the turmoil created by the churn of creative destruction in the free market is not a much better one.

Unemployment insurance seems sound in principle, but there should be some graduated progression within it. Instead of the flat distribution of cash for X weeks, which the couch-locked can predictably rely on for just that precise duration, perhaps blend in a mandatory subscription to a set of useful services (charity, education or some retraining, PT work at schools or military or some other institution of value to local community)

I often envision some combination of makework & retraining as some sort of last resort. Militarize a significant portion, if necessary. Send the bad kids to military juvie. Restrict or qualify certain privileges. Put Ward of the State on their photo ID until they break free of it (a little stigmatization can go a long way)..

Damn i am such a statist some days

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February 29, 2012 11:35 am

Obama’s economy has forced me out of the field that I have spent most of my adult life in, so I took the retirement that I worked for all those years, and am taking off in other directions. Directions that I don’t make nearly as much money at, but have a lot more fun with.

When I thought about it, making more money, what did I spend a big chunk of it on? Having fun. Now, I take out the middle man, and a lot of the stress that goes with making a living in heavy construction, and now go straight to the fun. I’m lovin’ it.

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Alien
February 29, 2012 2:11 pm

“..making more money, what did I spend a big chunk of it on? Having fun. Now, I take out the middle man”

well said, words well worth remembering

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February 29, 2012 9:51 pm

Not only that, it was difficult to find jobs that were understanding when I had to leave the middle of Thursday night, to go to an event and set up all day Friday, and not get back until late Monday night. That job thing was seriously getting in the way of my fun.

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March 1, 2012 5:58 am

“That job thing was seriously getting in the way of my fun.” I say this everyday.

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poppajoe49
March 1, 2012 6:17 am

That’s why I stick with something I enjoy doing, and since being a gigilo is not an option………..

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March 1, 2012 11:37 am

Precisely, Poppa. I thoroughly enjoy working with my rocking horses, and taking pictures has been a love of mine for decades.

I just put up a gallery on theflashingscotsman.com that you’d probably enjoy. It was a private concert for about thirty people by a group called The Redheaded Strangers. A Willie Nelson tribute band. They were great, and I got some good pics.

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February 29, 2012 9:07 pm

Nebraska has a simple solution. Their unemployment doesn’t pay enough to live on. It pays enough to keep the mortgage going if you didn’t go overboard, and that’s about it. Last time I lost a job, I cashed in a 401(k), and used that to live on until I found my next gig.

They could do for less abuse when you cash them in in the event of unemployment. That taxation plus 10% penalty’s a pain.

I don’t figure that a 401(k) is good for much else anyway — by the time I retire, either the feds will probably confiscate it, or the fund managers will have lost all of it by backing Soros’ short-selling stocks.

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poppajoe49
February 29, 2012 11:01 pm

Florida is the same way. Less than $300/week is max unemployment. It helps prevent people that can find a job from milking the system.

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February 29, 2012 11:13 pm

What’s that study show — 80% of unemployment claimants find a job within a week of when it was set to run out.

Stands to reason, really. Why work when there is no pressing need?

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Sidekick
March 1, 2012 4:05 am

Why work if minimum wage pays the same or almost the same as welfare/unemployment?

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poppajoe49
March 1, 2012 5:41 am

It depends on your ethics and whether or not you want to pay all your bills. You can always work more than one job if one doesn’t pay enough. I have done that for a substantial portion of my life, and still hold a part time/on call position at a local motel doing maintenance. They have a hard time finding reliable, skilled labor, and I use them to fill in on slow days. I get paid more than anyone else working there, but I supply all my own tools and accomplish the work in much less time than anyone else. It works out to both our advantage.

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March 1, 2012 7:45 am

Yeah, the problem is that these programs are calculated to increase rather than decrease dependency amongst those who cannot plan ahead.

In comparison, when my kids lived with me after high school, they were told “As long as you go to school, you can live here for cheap. Once you are not in school, you have to pay — regardless of whether you have a job or not.”

I remember back in the ’80’s, the lefty argument was “Why should a kid work for $3.35 an hour at McDonald’s when he can deal drugs on the corner for $3,000 a week?” My answer, “Because he has morals.” was simply not understood by the architects of welfare slavery.

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March 1, 2012 11:41 am

I once had an apprentice on my crew, building a road in the desert. He was pretty much useless, lazy, couldn’t show up on time, asleep on the job,………

I was hollerin’ at him when he ran a roller into my truck, and he said something about he didn’t need this shit, he could make more money selling drugs in Los Angeles. I pointed west. “It’s that way, asshole.”

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poppajoe49
March 1, 2012 6:37 pm

LOL! You could have pointed East and he would have probably believed you!

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March 1, 2012 10:51 pm

Yeah, he wasn’t real bright. He thought that because his dad was friends with the Apprentice Coordinator, he didn’t have to work hard to keep his job. Sadly for him, I’m good friends with the Apprentice Coordinator too, and when I wrote up a report on the guy and turned it in, he was booted from the Apprentice Program.

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poppajoe49
March 2, 2012 5:11 am

“But ‘daddy’ said I could keep the job” doesn’t work in the real world.

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March 2, 2012 9:58 am

Well, in many unionized environments, it might have worked, but I just happened to know that the Apprentice Coordinator was a good man, one that I trusted to do the right thing. I had a lot of respect for him, and he DID do the right thing.

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Ruben
February 27, 2012 1:43 pm

Message to Obama: you can fool with some of the papal some of time… but not this time.

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PsychoDad
February 28, 2012 7:21 pm

Ah, very well played, sir.

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Elrond Hubbard
February 27, 2012 2:30 pm

Obama’s goal is single payer health care. He wants to clear the table of any competition; so if the Catholic bishops carry through with their threat they will be playing right into Barry’s hands. Everyone else will have to pay protection money or be regulated out of existence.

Sadly, the Catholic bishops are the ones who painted themselves into this corner; they have supported every Big Government program for the past 50 years. Now they want to be choosey, but it’s too late, they’ve been compromised.

The bishops are beginning to realize they’re are up against a Chicago gangster organization. Fascism is here.

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Joe
February 27, 2012 5:59 pm

You are 100% on the money.

Folks, you won’t hear truth like that on the TV or radio anytime soon.

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February 28, 2012 5:37 am

Exactly. The Catholic Church has a bad record of allowing government to intrude and not standing up against tyranny. In all reality many Christian Churches are guilty of this. We do indeed reap what we sow don’t we?

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StrinaM
February 28, 2012 6:41 am

Just look at what the church did to help the Jews in WWII! The Catholic Church really stuck its neck out standing up to Hitler to try and end the Halocaust. Oh, wait, I got it confused with something else. The church really just stuck its head in the sand and let it happen.

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February 28, 2012 6:48 am

Exactly. Sadly to say, but it is the truth.

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PsychoDad
February 28, 2012 11:46 am

Actually the Church did quite a bit, and the Jewish community at the time acknowledged it. Unfortunately, the Spanish Inquisition was no match for the SS.

/I bet you didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition.
//How come no-one mentions the Lutheran Church, or other Protestant denominations? Germany was as much Protestant as Catholic,ya know.

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February 28, 2012 1:00 pm

I mentioned Christian Churches in my original post. Although many individual catholic churches and priests and communities did help, ROME did nothing at least not outward to stop Hitler when the time to do so came on.

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StrinaM
February 28, 2012 6:37 pm

Thus they had to apologize decades later.

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February 28, 2012 6:56 pm

Exactly.

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MDLION
February 28, 2012 9:21 pm

I have to disagree that Rome didn’t take efforts to combat Hitler. The Nazis rounded up 1,007 Jews in Rome on October 16, 1943 for transport to Auschwitz by train. Pope Pius XII ordered a Vatican emissary to protest directly to the German ambassador. As this protest worked its way up the chain of command, Himmler personally ordered a stop to the arrests of Jews in Rome the very day it started, because of Rome’s special status. There were more than 12,000 Jews in Rome that day. And so Pius XII’s action most likely saved the lives of 11,000 Jews in Rome. At the beginning of the war, Pius and a number of Bishops in Europe would condemn the Nazis and Hitler directly. But every time they did this, an enraged Hitler would round up Jews, Catholics, and Christians for imprisonment. Pius made the strategic, prudential decision that Hitler was nuts and that the best way to save lives was behind the scenes. An American profile of Hitler thought he had any number of mental illnesses. Pius hid Jews in the Vatican summer residence, Castel Gandolfo. He was involved in the hiding of Jews in monasteries and the placing of… Read more »

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February 29, 2012 5:50 am

Like I said: “The Catholic Church has a bad record of allowing government to intrude and not standing up against tyranny.” “Although many individual catholic churches and priests and communities did help, ROME did nothing at least not outward to stop Hitler when the time to do so came on.” Let me expand “the time” “to stop Hitler” would have been at the beginning of the war or better right after Hitler became Chancellor considering that he made it quite obvious what he was going to do once he got power. In fact, while he was campaigning and people were not taking him seriously the CC and all other Christian churches should have been on top of it. So my opinion is this: The CC at the time had (still) enormous amounts of powers and influence. Even though individual churches and priests did speak out against Hitler and his tyrannical ways BEFORE he became a true danger to the whole world, Rome as a whole (as a powerful whole) did not stand up to him before he had amassed so much power it was difficult (it took a war) to destroy him. That is the reason why they apologized decades… Read more »

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Olivia
February 29, 2012 8:36 am

Obama’s goal is single payer health care. He wants to clear the table of any competition; so if the Catholic bishops carry through with their threat they will be playing right into Barry’s hands. Everyone else will have to pay protection money or be regulated out of existence. Sadly, the Catholic bishops are the ones who painted themselves into this corner; they have supported every Big Government program for the past 50 years. Now they want to be choosey, but it’s too late, they’ve been compromised. The bishops are beginning to realize they’re are up against a Chicago gangster organization. Fascism is here. ***************** It fascinates me, the utter BS you guys come up with, in reaction to the government refusing to let the Vatican dictate the terms of a health insurance plan. It also fascinates me, that you keep referring to Obama’s alleged “Chicago gangster organization.” Did you not realize that Illinois’ state government is in Springfield, which is nowhere near Chicago? But, hey, he’s a (gasp!) BLACK LIBERAL—and all them black lib’ruls are gangsters, don’tchaknow. That’s what I so enjoy about coming to this board—-the stunning ignorance that’s bandied about every day here. The tendency to confuse propaganda… Read more »

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February 29, 2012 11:48 am

TD,…….

MO.

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MDLION
February 29, 2012 11:37 pm

KimmyQueen:”Rome as a whole (as a powerful whole) did not stand up to him (Hitler) before he had amassed so much power it was difficult (it took a war) to destroy him. … Instead they were trying to placate him and giving him respect” I must respectfully disagree, Kimmy. Many Catholic priests and Catholic laymen spoke against Hitler in his efforts to win elective office. As a result, Hitler did poorly in Catholic provinces in the 1932 election and lost that election to Hindenburg 50-35. Nevertheless, Hitler weasled his way into power. But the first denunciation of Nazism by a major organization came from the Vatican in 1937. I’m no more a fan of Wikipedia than most people on here, nevertheless it has the history correct on this matter “In the 1937 encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, drafted by Pope Pius XII when he was still a cardinal, Pope Pius XI denounced Nazism and breaches of the Reichskonkordat. Read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches, it has been described as the first official denunciation of Nazism made by any major organization.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII In his 1942 Christmas address, Pope Pius XII again condemned Nazism. The Nazi’s Reich Central Security Office… Read more »

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March 1, 2012 5:56 am

http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=3131 I have more to say on this below. http://www.emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm (I don’t necessarily agree that the Nazis were christian minded, more than anything Hitler was cunning and using religion for his purposes. He was christian using which is not unusual of many politicians (like our President). He did say that they were “approving” of christianity which is correct as it means to me that it was a tool in their hands). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat I see this treaty as a way for the CC to protect its behind and the lives of Catholics. Perhaps they were well meaning (protecting the Catholics of Europe), however that left many millions of people “unprotected” as it were. It may not have been intended as a placating move but it was definetly seen that way. It is the same thing that is happening now and the ass kissing of Arabs, Persians and Babylonians. Obama could be earnest in his desire to bring proximity between us and the Muslim communitis, but in those communities that behavior is considered a sign of weakness and that they have in essence permission to take advantage). The problem here is that people can present one argument pro and one argument con… Read more »

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Elrond Hubbard
March 3, 2012 12:03 pm

Olivia,

Springfield is indeed the capital of Illinois but Chicago, with its population, money and corrupt politicans, actually runs the state (just like New York City, not Albany, runs the state of New York).

When I talk about Chicago gangsters I’m not talking about pathetic street gangs, I’m talking about the Democrat politicians who act like gangsters (you know: Capone, Bugs Moran, Mussolini) in their running of the city and the state.

I’m fascinated by your lickspittle, dog-like devotion to the Obama administration and its failed policies. Hey but what’s $5 trillion in addiitional federal debt? Everyoen knows we’re not going to pay it back.

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Progressive Hemrrhoid
February 27, 2012 2:33 pm

Add in the Administration cutting Active Duty and Retired Military Health Benefits, and presto, Instant Crisis!!!!!

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February 27, 2012 5:41 pm

You mean we aren’t in one now?

Gotta love how they treat this stuff under different parties.

If it’s an “R’, the press holds the president hostage.
If it’s a “D”, the president holds the people hostage.

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StrinaM
February 27, 2012 9:40 pm

You saw that that had sneaked its way into the Obama budget, too? I love how welfare recipients aren’t even touched, but ACTIVE military. Just shows what he & Michelle really think of those in uniform…

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StrinaM
February 27, 2012 7:28 pm

I pushed this same argument with a couple of people who worked for Catholic Charities this last Saturday (can you believe they fell for the 98% do it anyway and the Vaginal probe without consent BS?). They said it would never happen… looks like one of us might end up being wrong… And it won’t be me…

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February 28, 2012 5:38 am

Don’t you hate it when you are right and disaster happens? A 100% preventable disaster….

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MDLION
February 27, 2012 10:49 pm

During the HillaryCare push in 93 and 94, the Administration at first said that Catholic hospitals would have to perform abortions. Cardinal O’Connor of New York said he would shut down every Catholic hospital in New York City before even one abortion would be performed there. The Clintons buckled but HillaryCare failed when Catholic liberals abandoned it. Consider the approaching nightmare. There is already a doctor and nurse shortage in the United States. Many who would have been doctors and nurses have been aborted the past 40 years. And very shortly, millions more are going to come into the health care system. Add in the fact that the Obama Administration may drive doctors and nurses of conscience from the medical profession. Maybe they may want to take over these formerly Catholic hospitals, but there’s no way they can make up for those being driven from medicine in the considerable future. They also may drive other doctors out by reimbursement cuts. I’m afraid very long medical lines are coming to our country very shortly if the next election is lost and maybe even for a short period if it’s won. Elrond Hubbard, you are right in saying the Bishops have committed… Read more »

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poppajoe49
February 28, 2012 6:35 am

Not only is this travesty being pushed, but now they’re talking about forcing out personnel in order to meet budget constraints!
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/226851.html
You just know the ones they will force out are the ones that are most likely to stay in long enough to retire!

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StrinaM
February 28, 2012 7:22 am

You would not believe the tactics they are using to do it, either. (or maybe you would)

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poppajoe49
February 29, 2012 5:15 am

Yes, I would. I know someone that was RIF’d from a Capt to a Sgt! He refused to leave and ended up retiring from the Army Reserve as a Major. Perseverence pays off.

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