Communism vs. Capitalism – Photos from E. Germany. 40 years of communist rule vs. 10 years of capitalism. In other news, England looking to privatize their healthcare system. Failed social experiments now the playbook of our own Failure-in-Chief.

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danybhoy
Member

Outside of the indusrial metal band Rammstein, has anything come out of the old East Germany & done well in the free market?

jukin
Guest

It’s just because the ‘right’ guy was not running East Germany.

With a track record of 250 million dead, billions in misery, and never a success story the regressives will keep trying to go counter to basic human nature and getting the same terrible results.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Socialists and the like believe Obamie was the right guy for the job because he is black (forgetting he is half white) and had “the black experience” (whatever that is and even if such a thing exists, Obama didn’t have it). So I guess they thought Obamie will do a good job with the socialistic utopia. No matter who, a socialist leader will never be a good leader. Socialism does not work. It sounds good on paper, but it should never be implemented, because in order to make it work everyone has to agree and not everyone will because socialism is oppressive not focused on personal liberty.

flashingscotsman
Member

Even if everyone agrees, it still won’t work, because it stifles creativity and the will to work hard for a goal. It doesn’t even look good on paper.

KimmyQueen
Guest

A lot of people like the idea of people caring for one another and people having all their needs met. The problem is that not everyone is going to agree on how that is done. Many believe it is personal industry, responsibility and charity that is the way to make that happen, while others believe it is government’s role to that and others do not care about people so they dont want to share nor be charitable nor even pay taxes so the government can do it. It is what it is. We are all different and therefore socialism is not a good policy. A country like the US where there are SET rules and laws that everyone CAN abide to (and those that do not are punished and taken away from society), but allows freedoms on pretty much all other aspects of their lives is the way to go, even if “imperfect” it is vastly better than communist and socialistic countries of then and now.

flashingscotsman
Member

I’d like to see everyone caring for each other and having everyone’s needs met also. But we all know socialism doesn’t work that way.

What I would like to see is everyone who is capable, meeting their own needs, and voluntarily taking care of those who are not capable. In my opinion, the word care is mutually exclusive of the word mandatory. If money is taken from me at gunpoint, it is NOT caring. If I give it freely, that’s care.

KimmyQueen
Guest

That is why on paper it looks good, but in execution it is a mess. Socialist ideologues only see the rosy part of all things belonging to all people so all people have the equal chance to do well in life, however socialist leaders and those whom they use to cling to power, are always corrupted individuals and groups and therefore take all property and all power unto themselves. That leads to the devastiations that we all know about.

Socialism is based on a lie that a government can know what is best for every single individual and those do not conform are to then be taken out of society just for not conforming even if they would make the best of citizens under different circumstances. That is a problem. The ability for excellence like you stated above is taken away and people then are not free to pursue their happiness.

Absolutely. Caring for others is only mandatory if you want it be depending on your own beliefs and ability to care. If you can only provide 2% of your salary, however you can provide 60% of your time for caring for others then that is what you can do and it is just fine. If you do not want to share nor care for others that is fine too. If you can provide 50% of your salary however cannot do more than 1% of your time to care for others that is acceptable. Anything that anyone does is appreciated by those whose lives are touched by it. Obviously we have to protect those who can be exploited and abused, but we shouldn’t punish those who choose to do nothing, neither good (and most importantly) nor bad to those who are in need. Nor punish those that the government THINKS are not doing “enough” nor doing their “fair share”. It is insanity.

My Lord tells me that He likes a cheerful giver who gives out of love and desire to please Him and because it is the right thing to do. He doesn’t specify because others can give more and others can give less (time or money), but it must be done with a good heart and like you say voluntarily. Now if my Lord states that, then who is the government to tell me that I am a bad person if I don’t give according to the government standards? The govt is then trying to take my Lord’s place and that is yet ANOTHER reason why I find this to be reprehensible.

KimmyQueen
Guest

OK so who is giving us a thumbs down? Explain.

drb
Member

John…he hasn’t got anything else.

flashingscotsman
Member

Somebody who wants you to be forced to give your hard earned money to them?

KimmyQueen
Guest

Maybe it is a Karl Marx fan…

poppajoe49
Member

I’d rather it be a Groucho. Marx fan!

flashingscotsman
Member

Now, THERE’S a Marx I can enjoy.

KimmyQueen
Guest

*sniffs* I thought I smelled something.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Pathetic little troll is at it again! Laughable…

Not so silent
Member

Probably our resident troll John or someone of his ilk that not respond to your great post with a logical argument, so they just thumb down….Ten thumbs up Kimmy!

jcrowley1985
Member

You’d be wrong there. I haven’t been thumbing any posts in a while.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Well the troll said it is not him, so maybe it is the other troll who has dissappeared. Thanks Notsosilent!

drb
Member

Well the troll said it is not him

When someone farts in a room full of people, the guilty party never owns up to it, now do they.

KimmyQueen
Guest

LOL indeed.

GhostntheMachine
Member

I never have to ‘fess up when I do it because no one ever notices. 😉

poppajoe49
Member

You blame it on the dog?

drb
Member

No, it’s cuz he is a lonely man. He has no one to call his own. Either that or he lives in New York.

GhostntheMachine
Member

Lonely in a room full of people? That’s harsh. 😉

Alien
Member

New York? That too is harsh madam 🙂

I love that city..

Alien
Member

i find it odd that loving a great city like NYC gets TD.. has TDer actually been there?

jcrowley1985
Member

There I just TD’d Kimmy’s post just now. Bringing the dislikes to 2. So that’s proof that someone beside me TD’d it.

Keep Occupying!

drb
Member

Lonely in a room full of people? That’s harsh.

I was tryin’ to imply that in your case, no one else was in the room, BUT I was just pickin’. I didn’t mean it. My appologies. Still I noticed you didn’t deny being from New York.

drb
Member

There I just TD’d Kimmy’s post just now. Bringing the dislikes to 2. So that’s proof that someone beside me TD’d it.

You are taking this way too seriously. We are just pokin’ fun here. Lighten up.

drb
Member

i find it odd that loving a great city like NYC gets TD.. has TDer actually been there?

I don’t know who td you on that one, but I gotta say it’s not my town. I couldn’t live there. Visited once…couldn’t wait to get back home. Which is unusual for me. I’m generally comfortable just about anywhere.

Alien
Member

@drb you are a good egg.. 🙂 i figured it was someone else. NYC is crazy, takes a few days to get into the rhythm of it

Mostly i’ve lived in big cities.. The smallest city ever was Flagstaff, really just a sleepy college mountain town. I remember feeling the weight of Phoenix when i moved there afterwards, and some adjustment having to happen

GhostntheMachine
Member

The doctor is IN. Oh please, apology? The exquisite sting of your barbs is pure joy (no pun!).

KimmyQueen
Guest

Whatever john… you fun ruiner… :-/

Can’t even have fun around here dang…

DRB sorry about the TD that was a mistake on my part.

drb
Member

The doctor is IN. Oh please, apology? The exquisite sting of your barbs is pure joy

Masochist?

flashingscotsman
Member

I’ll admit to being the TD. And yes, I HAVE been to NYC. I couldn’t wait to leave. The bigger the city, the more I hate it.

poppajoe49
Member

What I would like to see is everyone who is capable, meeting their own needs, and voluntarily taking care of those who are not capable.

Flash, that is exactly the way it used to be, until nanny government (the great god FDR) decided it was their job to do it. They took our money in taxes and “administered” more than 1/2 of it away before it got to the needy.
Then, a large portion of the population decided that if the government is going to take our money and give it out, then there was no need for us to donate to charity that was ostensibly duplicating the government effort.
Now, the “official” charity of the US government, the United Way, is the biggest charitable organization, but also the biggest ripoff! They spend more on admin costs than anyone else! They are officially supported by the government, and our military men and women are extorted by strongarm techniques, every time it is United Way drive season. I personally was warned that it would not look good come promotion time if I didn’t submit to payroll deductions for the United Way Campaign. That isn’t voluntary or charitable under any definition of the words.

flashingscotsman
Member

I’ve had the United Way pressure put on me a few times, with various employers. I’ve always refused.

These days, you’re not lying when the charity people want donations, and you say you gave at the office. It’s true, it was taken right out of your paycheck, by the government.

KimmyQueen
Guest

Eva Peron did that for her Foundation when her husband was President. She took funds out of the hands (literally) of working people in order to fund her charitable foundation. All of them do this, it is truly the only way to do it. Once they ran out of people’s money they printed more and since it wasn’t backed guess what? inflation. Argentina to this day has never truly recovered from the Peronista era as everyone else have been trying to see if they could make it better with even more socialism. It is a mess.

Progressive Hemrrhoid
Member
Progressive Hemrrhoid

I wonder if they would get the same effect with pictures from Detroit.

Bonfire of the Absurdities
Member

Centuries of failure prove nothing. Socialism WORKS, it’s the implementation that’s bad. Yada, yada, yada.

poppajoe49
Member

Yes, it works, we just need the right people to administer it. After centuries of failure, we’re finally ready to make it work. 😉

jcrowley1985
Member

That’s corporations taking over for you.

Keep Occupying!

arlan
Guest

Governments are big corporations, only they have no incentive to be efficient or productive because if they run out of money, they just take mine.

KimmyQueen
Guest

You say that as if going from dilapidated buildings to luxury hotels and livable apartments is a bad thing. You are seriously a moron. Do you live in a dump? If you don’t you are being an hypocrite. Keep Occupaying your Mom’s basement I am sure is nice and the girls love it right?

jcrowley1985
Member

It is if these “luxury” accomodations drive up property prices so much that the average person can’t afford their own place. Noone needs a luxury apartment, we need more affordable housing for all.

Keep Occupying!

KimmyQueen
Guest

You are an idiot that can’t read. I said luxury hotels not luxury apartments. Read first then make an educated comment. What am I saying, is like expecting intelligent talk from a fool!

jcrowley1985
Member

So it’s even worse. Build hotels for profit rather then using those facilities for affordable housing all. That’s what I mean by “corporations are taking over”.

Keep Occupying!

Always Sunny In Hell
Member

If you went out and saved some money, you could BUY that property and put all the hobo’s in it you want. But I guarantee when you start paying property taxes on that nice real estate that noone is paying anything for, you will reconsider giving it away for free…

Always Sunny In Hell
Member

yes all business is bad is the overall message I get from him…. But I bet Apple is still the best thing ever!

flashingscotsman
Member

TD,……….

MO.

KimmyQueen
Guest

ZZzzzzzzz……

LA Sunset
Member

What was you guys told me about entertaining fools? 8)

John’s got an answer for everything anyone says and it’s the wrong answer.

The pics tell the stories and yet, this little communist heathen still sings the praises of the system that created the first set of rat infested pics. That is the absolute epitome of stupidity

jcrowley1985
Member

But in both systems, there was always a huge underclass that lived in poverty. At least the first didn’t try to hide it. Everyone was equal, and thus had a good life by comparison.

With corporate intervention, the top 1% can live in luxury when the rest are tossed aside to die in the gutter. Hoarding all the decent property so the rest have nothing is WORSE then sharing all the property equally.

Keep Occupying!

Not so silent
Member

Why do you even worry about it? Your on the government tit, living large on our dime and bitching out how unfair everything is. John life is not fair, in fact a fair is where you go to ride the rides, eat cotton candy and step in monkey poop, something I am sure your occupooper friends would like. Here’s a picture of you in your moms basement. When you get out of your costume, why don’t you do what the rest of us have done, get a job, or better yet, since you have the answer for everything, why don’t you run for office as a democrat, since Anthony Wiener resigned and Alan Grayson got his ass booted out of office, theres a large crazy hole to fill in the democrat party, and Debbie Washerhands Much can’t carry the load all by herself.

http://failblog.org/2012/03/13/fashion-fail-poorly-dressed-it-seems-like-a-good-idea-now-but-wait-till-you-have-to-remove-the-tape/

LA Sunset
Member

//But in both systems, there was always a huge underclass that lived in poverty. //

Must have been burrito night somewhere, because you are still spewing shit at an accelerated pace. Not that it will matter, but here goes anyway.

1. I was in West Germany in the late 70s. There were no buildings like you see in the 1st set of pics. None. I was all over that country in urban areas and even in Wurzburg (where the allies bombed mercilessly to rubble in order to demoralize the German people), there was nothing like it at all. Capitalist nations rebuilt it. In East Germany at the same time, there were still countless piles of rubble left from the war, all over.

2. The point was not that there are no dilapidated buildings in capitalist societies. The point was that socialism let those buildings go to hell and only free enterprise could revive them. If you would have read the article, you would know that there were plans to demolish a lot of them and build anew. But as is the case in communist countries, your plans will very often go by the wayside when you run out of other people’s money to spend.

Which begs an all-important question that we would all like to know. Are you this dense from birth, or did you have to work on it?

Elrond Hubbard
Member

john,

“..the top 1% can live in luxury while the rest are tossed aside to die in the gutter.”

Absolutely john, 99% of the American people are dying in abject poverty. It’s obvious you know nothing about capitalism and even less about communism.

You’re such a dope.

Kip Hooker
Member

Yes Comrade John! Tell these bourgeois pig dogs about the folly of their ways. They stand in the path of the people’s revolution. We must tell the proletariat of the glories of socialism! Think how happy they will be when they learn that the capitalist oppression of affordable housing and flat screen televisions and plenty to eat can be supplanted by the non consumerist existence of twelve people to a room and starvation. But good starvation comrade. Starvation in the service of our fellow man. A man that can have the pleasure of knowing that the state has finally outlawed the absurd notion that any single individual can own their labor! His labor is the property of all! But comrade, don’t believe that our perfect system does not come with a price. While we shiver and go hungry in our squalor kept alive by little more than the happiness brought about that everyone is suffering equally it must be remembered that not all are so lucky! Some must bear the awful burden of leadership. Poor poor people like Stalin and Trotsky that had to continually be tempted by having so much food and drink and clothes and shelter and entertainment. Their brave bravery when having to live like the contemptible one percent! Be thankful that all must not share in their unspeakable suffering!

jcrowley1985
Member

Leadership is the problem. That is what went wrong with the Soviet Union. Ideally, communism needs no leadership.

GhostntheMachine
Member

Oh good grief, never again, fool me once and all that. Not even wasting TD energy anymore.

CO2Insanity
Admin

Ideally John would get run over by a Trabant with no brakes due to a factory defect due to no leadership.

poppajoe49
Member

john, WTF drugs are you on?

LA Sunset
Member

Read the story about New Harmony Indiana, John. I am sure you won’t see the message in it, nor will you have the intellect to understand it. But someday, on the chance there is a drug that can make brain cells regenerate, we may have something to work with when we continue this line of thought.

Long before Marx’s experiments were carried out on a macro level. Robert Owens tried it on a micro scale in New Harmony, that’s in Indiana. It’s a state….here…..in America. If you are wanting to see it on a map, it’s in between Ohio and Illinois. There…..that’s about all I can do for you. I cannot do in a few paragraphs, what the school system failed to do for you in 12 yrs.

drb
Member
flashingscotsman
Member

Actually, LA, he only has one answer, and it is not only wrong, it doesn’t even pertain to most of the questions. That’s why,…………TD,…………Move the hell ON.

Kip Hooker
Member

Ideally, communism needs no leadership

Yes John! Comrade you alone are not fooled by the capitalist agitprop! You alone understand that Communism doesn’t need leaders! The people will gladly starve for the glories of the leaderless state! They will gladly serve the community in squalor and destitution because it is the right thing to do and having enough to eat is a decadent symptom of the western disease! I am so glad you can see through this thoroughly imperial notion and bourgeois belief that just because a society is predicated on controlling every aspect of the individuals life that it would follow that that society would maintain a leadership in order to carry out that control. People will willingly go into the mines to die! People will willingly work fifteen hours a day for a crust of bread! People will joyously go without medical treatment needed to survive when they are to old to be of use to their society! They will willingly do this because in the ideal socialism there will be no leaders to make them to do so!

Comrade John join with me now and show the people the way to this sacrifice for the glory of the stateless state! Denounce the decadence of the pig dogs! Throw away your computer! Throw away your world of war craft barbie dolls! Velveeta la revolucion! Occupy!

poppajoe49
Member

Well, gee. When you put it like that, it makes sense!
Color me converted! 😉

KimmyQueen
Guest

The little boy had posted a couple of things there to make us think that he was seeing the light. Obviously he wasn’t :-/ Corporations created the crap of East Germany and Corporations lifted it up, but even if that is true, corporations get no credit for lifting it up at all in the end. You can’t win for loosing and in the end Corporations have NOTHING to do with this story at all! It is insanity.

GhostntheMachine
Member

“The little boy had posted a couple of things there to make us think that he was seeing the light”, I know the little prick fooled me too, we should have listened to drb. Again.

drb
Member

😉 Like my friend once said…”That’s the thing with drb; she can see your stink long before she can smell ya”

Keep occupoopin’

poppajoe49
Member

Yes Ghost, drb is not only cute, but she’s smart too!

drb
Member

Thank you for the compliment…now then, what is it that you want from me?? 😉 😉

GhostntheMachine
Member

And a class act, not giving in once to a well deserved “See, I told ya”.

drb
Member

“I told ya’ so” just isn’t mt style.

poppajoe49
Member

Thank you for the compliment…now then, what is it that you want from me??

Nothing 😉

KimmyQueen
Guest

LOL indeed! You can’t fix stupid is true as it comes to trolls like this.

Elrond Hubbard
Member

john,

Seriously, are you on drugs?

Kip Hooker
Member

John I love you. Your stupid demands for more government control are gonna make me us a lot richer. But I’m starting to get a little worried for you. Better be careful in wishing for this egalitarian utopia. Because the ones that get fed are going to be the ones that provide a valuable service to the state. And unfortunately if your only talent is playing world of war craft and not getting laid it is a sure thing that you’ll be starving to death in no time.

poppajoe49
Member

So then Joan, what you’re saying is that it’s better for everyone (except for the ruling party) to live in squalor (see East Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall), than for businesses to come in and improve everything, offer good jobs to the people, and give everyone a chance to prosper?
Now who’s the elitist fool?

jcrowley1985
Member

No, I said it is better to offer affordable housing (not necessarily slum like) to all then to use that same land to construct luxury hotels and other non necessary business ventures that have no practical use then to just make money. Businesses should contribute a functional need to society, we don’t need another chain hotel or franchise for the next department store.

We have become too commercialized and too dependent on wants rather then needs. You said it yourself with cellphones, they are WANTS, not NEEDS right? Same goes for 90% of everything else sold in America.

Keep Occupying!

Kip Hooker
Member

“We have become too commercialized and too dependent on wants rather then needs.”

Yes John, keep up this argument! But don’t think very hard on the subject and certainly don’t encourage others to do so. Otherwise they might figure out that consumerism and consumption/consumption/consumption is driven by the Keynesian econ you are out there protesting for. A free market enforces austerity during times inefficient business practices and inflation with high interest rates encouraging savings and thrift while other market forces put losers like me out of business. But not to worry John. As long as your friends in the central economic authority are in power it is bailouts with the peoples money and handouts for the whiney-whine percent!

Keep occupying John . . . I need a new Jacuzzi!

MDLION
Member

john:”Businesses should contribute a functional need to society”

In providing jobs and paying taxes, aren’t businesses providing functional needs? Our corporate tax rate is second only to Japan at this point and we will probably pass them soon. Even liberal Charlie Rangel thinks the U.S. corporate tax rate should be reduced from 35 to 30.5%. Not every corporation or person who works for a corporation is a saint, but it is simplistic to act like all corporations are evil.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/22917.html

Kip Hooker
Member

No!!! Don’t lower the corporate tax rate!!!! Please don’t lower the corporate tax rate! It is one of the best tools our friends in government have to shut down our competition before it even gets started. Plus we really like passing the amount -we can’t get loopholed out of- onto the consumer.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Fulking COMMIE!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

What would happen if NK overtook SK? The entire peninsula would go dark and everyone would be living in utopia. What would happen if freedom overtook NK?

FormerlyDeanH
Guest
FormerlyDeanH
Guest

I couldn’t resist nesting another message to myself…

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

I won’t do it again.

jcrowley1985
Member

Don’t want to appear like a paranoid schitzophrenic like me do you?

Keep Occupying!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

schizophrenic has no ‘t’.

jcrowley1985
Member

I’m surprised you actually read my posts before you TDMO them.

Keep Occupying!

Angry Southerner
Member

Some of us read your posts because it helps us remember how stupid you are

poppajoe49
Member

We need help?

poppajoe49
Member

Sorme Dean, that td was me.

poppajoe49
Member

Hey, shit for brains, we’re talking about East Germany!
They had ZERO corporate presence before, only the system of government you are pushing for. They had shit! Everyone lived in squalor except for the leaders that were supposed to be taking care of the needs of the people. You ever hear the saying “absolute power corrupts, absolutely”?
Now, they have businesses, tourism, jobs, money, and a standard of living!
You need to get out more and listen to the people that have lived under socialist/communist rule. They come here to make a good life for themselves.

PsychoDad
Guest

Don’t feed the trolls!

jcrowley1985
Member

How am I a troll. Because I don’t agree with the corporate mindset that runs this country?

Keep Occupying!

Not so silent
Member

TD MO but keep on occupooping.

P.S. John here’s a look at your future:

http://failblog.org/2012/03/12/fashion-fail-poorly-dressed-spongebob-the-later-years/

poppajoe49
Member

I cant help myself sometimes, willfully stupid people piss me off.

jcrowley1985
Member

Then why are you even on these forums?

Keep Occupying!

Angry Southerner
Member

TD………………………………………………………………………………………………MO!

Always Sunny In Hell
Member

pretty good question whiney whine percenter. Are you currently getting paid to come on here and argue with conservatives? Last I checked, I thought OWS was trying to do something, and even walking through the streets pooping on the corner was more productive of an area than what you are currently engaged in.

poppajoe49
Member

Trying to beat some sense into your thick skull.

KimmyQueen
Guest

I know what you mean… however at this point in time it is time to TD and MO. The idiot can’t read nor comprehend basic human language.

Not so silent
Member

I am beginning to think this is our resident troll after a sex change operation, paid for by Obama Death care.

flashingscotsman
Member

I just wish there were more of them, posting all over everywhere, so people could see the stupidity of the left.

Not so silent
Member

Careful what you wish for..:)

KimmyQueen
Guest

Every picture tells the same story. When government has complete control no one gives a sh*t because it is not their land nor property. When responsible people get properties and the chance to do something good with it even make money from it well the results are different. France looks like a second world country now on its way to a third world country where only the areas where people are still allowed to be capitalist looking their best. This is what people don’t understand. People need to be free to be good or bad, thankfully most people will choose to be good and responsible. Thinking that people NEED to be controlled in ALL aspects of their lives is a problem especially when it is a government that thinks that.

Pittsburgh Z
Guest

I have relatives in Germany and I was there JUST AFTER the Wall came down. Riding on the trains in Berlin all we saw was East Berlin Volk riding back into East Berlin with radios, TVs, microwaves, Mini fridges and the like.

Yeah…You have to wonder why the Left thinks that way is so damn good. It has to be the power…nothing else….

It can’t be that they are just fucking stoopid, can it be that?

poppajoe49
Member

Well DUH!!!

KimmyQueen
Guest

Power over people and money diverted to them… however they are many who are indeed stupid. Who (like someone said below) believe that the execution was incorrect because the people were bad but a good socialist will somehow make a difference. The problem is that there aren’t any good socialists out there. It is a myth like the unicorn.

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