Elon Musk sending engineers to help rescue Thai kids trapped in cave. They are doomed.

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whiskeyriver
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We have seen all kind of crap out there about this story which is why I said when I see a headline saying all the kids were safe I would make a comment again.

OORAH…All the kids are safe, even the coach has been rescued! I hope the cops have a little security for him though. There might be a few fathers who want to have a little talk with him and it may not be pretty.

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I frail how to see how a burning Tesla can help kids in a cave….

whiskeyriver
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Musk does have a ton of money so maybe the rescuers can get enough out of him to get some badly needed equipment. Or maybe some good pay for all their efforts?

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I have backed off commenting on this tragedy until more facts came out but I am afraid we will never hear much else.

So, I have questions. Number one is everyone knows that old mines and caves are dangerous. Why did this idiot coach take those children over 2 miles deep into this cave? If they do get rescued that fool needs a public ass whipping that lasts for weeks then shunned, then banished, then another public ass whipping, until he gets the message and disappears forever.

A trained SEAL has died because he ran out of air. I know a few divers, more than a few ex-SEALS, and not one of them would not know exactly how much air they would need for that kind of dive. Spelunking in a cave or in a lake or the ocean, they would know down to the last breath how much air they would need and go prepared.

Which leads me to another question. If divers have been able to reach the children to supply them with lights, food, water and oxygen why haven’t they been taking spare diving tanks and a lead line for a kid and bring one out each time the diver came out? Divers are getting in and out, what makes all the so-called “experts” think those kids could not get out if they had the equipment? They walked in, surely they can swim out if they have the diving gear.

If the rains hit like they are saying I’m afraid those kids will be lost. And I personally think it will be because of inept, pansy assed, over trained, rescue personnel. Get a bunch of us old Coasties and SEALS together, whose unofficial motto was we have to go out, we don’t have to come back, and those kids would already be in their mommas arms and if it cost us a life or two it would be worth it as long as the kids were safe.

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1) I can’t explain the idiot coach, won’t even try.

2) It was not a U.S. Navy SEAL. It was a Thai SEAL. Not sure if they’re training is as rigorous as ours.

3) Cave diving is a whole different ballgame, almost completely unrelated to regular diving. I’m not even sure being a SEAL matters a whit because cave divers are cave divers and they’re the only ones who know what they’re doing and they are a very small community, so small that worldwide they can probably all call each other by first names. You can’t just grab a kid and head for the exit in this situation because the clearances are probably so small the rescue diver himself has to take his tank off, hold his breath, push his tank through ahead of himself, and then squeeze through (hopefully) behind it. And you generally can’t get anywhere near the floor because the slightest turbulence will raise a cloud of particles that will completely blind you. Altogether not a situation where you can haul a non-diver through with you.

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From what I read the Thai Seal was retired and volunteered to help. Perhaps he wasn’t in shape but what I read was he ran out of oxygen. I don’t dive but perhaps it was a miscalculation? Or it took longer than anticipated? Anyway – 4 of the kids just got out. So that’s good.

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I’m not a diver, I love the water but I am going to stay on top of it not under it. Never could have made it as a bubblehead either. Those dudes go under water in a tin can and don’t get to see the sun for days or even weeks? No thanks!

But I do know old divers, even a few SEALS, who are in their 60’s and 70’s and they still remember all the formulas and rules for safe diving. X amount of air means X amount of time under water and no good diver goes under without a good dive watch like a Doxa to keep track. My condolences to the divers family but the man screwed up, he did not stick to the basics all divers are taught even if all they do is paddle around Bermuda looking at the fishes.

You and J.P. both make good points but I am looking at it from a rescuer point of view. I have never heard of a cave diver going in without a lifeline attached. One, it means their ground team can drag them out if necessary and two, they can find their way back to base if they get turned around. Which is common for cave divers from what I have heard.

We don’t know if there were narrow places in the cave that made the rescue harder but after two weeks of 24 hour coverage I would think we would have been informed of the problem by now. And J.P. Nobody is rescued in this kind of incident unless they have a lifeline tied to them and they always go first. If one of those kids panic those manning the line will be able to feel it and they can start hauling away. Kid may get a bump on the head but the diver should be able to keep up and make sure the mouthpiece is in the kids mouth and he is breathing.

I don’t know all the answers, none of us ever will. I am just offering an opinion based on experience and talks with old sailors who have been on tough rescue missions.

JPTravis
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I’m not expert on cave diving but I think the distances are generally too great for lifelines. We’re talking about distances where much of the effort involves staging spare oxygen tanks. It’s hard enough getting through openings without carrying a couple miles of lifeline. But they do mark their route, no doubt about that. And maybe in a rescue effort they do try to run a line. Maybe that’s what the delay has been about, staging oxygen tanks and running line. Trouble is, if someone stirs up the floor sediment and everybody goes blind it can get very confusing.

JPTravis
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Just saw a graphic on TV saying it’s “at least” 2.5 miles underwater to where the kids are.

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Yeah, that’s awesome. As for the Thai SEAL, I doubt it was a miscalculation. I’m guessing he either got temporarily lost or got himself wedged into an opening and couldn’t get out.

They say much of the planet is girded with these underground waterways. I know you could go down in Florida and come up in Tennessee if you had sufficient oxygen. Even starkly barren deserts like the Sahara and Kalahari have underground waterways. If the people who live there would get off their asses and tap that water they could make their deserts bloom like the Israelis have done.

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They’re too busy throwing rocks at Israeli tanks to find water.