Good news! We found those “shovel-ready” jobs!

by editor on August 18, 2011

Pardon us, Mr. President. Here we’ve been wondering where all those “shovel-ready” jobs you keep talking about are and lo and behold we think we’ve found them!

golden-shovel

Who needs a golden parachute when you can have a golden shovel?

Seattle’s KOMO News has the story:

Last year, Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn announced the city had won a coveted $20 million federal grant to invest in weatherization. The unglamorous work of insulating crawl spaces and attics had emerged as a silver bullet in a bleak economy – able to create jobs and shrink carbon footprint – and the announcement came with great fanfare.

Wow! $20 million for jobs! Fantastic! Amazing! Pathetic! Wait. Did we say pathetic? Yes, that’s exactly what we said. While this was supposed to create 2,000 jobs the reality is:

But more than a year later, Seattle’s numbers are lackluster. As of last week, only three homes had been retrofitted and just 14 new jobs have emerged from the program. Many of the jobs are administrative, and not the entry-level pathways once dreamed of for low-income workers. Some people wonder if the original goals are now achievable.

Back to those simple mathematics that seem so elusive to the Obama administration. Let’s take that $20 million and divide it by 14 jobs, which gives us a figure of $1,428,571 cost per job created.

Yes, that certainly sounds like “hope and change” to us. No hope and with spending like that, the taxpayers will get no change at all. Not even a penny.

– Written by CO2Insanity

Source: KOMO News

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Yes Mike McGinn…..Mayor McMumbles for those of us up here that have to put up with him.

Another notch on his belt marking another failure of his mayoralship.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

Wow! $20 million for jobs! Fantastic! Amazing! Pathetic! Wait. Did we say pathetic? Yes, that’s exactly what we said. While this was supposed to create 2,000 jobs the reality is:

Excuse me, but were these 2,000 jobs supposed to be part time?
Do the math, $20,000,000 divided by 2,000 jobs equals $10,000.
$10,000 divided by 2080 hours (40 hours a week times 52 weeks) that comes out to just shy of $4.81 an hour, which is less than minimum wage, that also doesn’t account for any benefits. It also doesn’t account for the higher wage that supervisors would make, nor the cost of materials for all that insulating they were supposed to be doing.
Point being, the supposed 2,000 jobs this money was expected to create would never materialize, nor would they be sustainable.

RockingHorseGuy
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Liberals have never been known to be real good with math.

KimmyQueen
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… nor real good with life issues.

Joe Redfield
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Joe Redfield

You’re confusing ‘shovel ready’ jobs with ‘green jobs’. The s-r jobs were supposed to prevent a repeat of the Great Depression, while the green jobs were going to ‘win the future’. The fact that none of these jobs has materialized is irrelevant to the Progresso-American Community, where promises are all that count.

danybhoy
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danybhoy

shovel ready = bullsh!t
green jobs= bullsh!t
smart energy = bullsh!t
created & saved + bullsh!t
“let me be clear”= bullsh!t
“winning the future” = bullsh!t
hope & change = bullsh!t

The bottom line is this, President ObamAA+ is bullsh!t, end of story.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

created & saved = bullsh!t

Somebody needs to explain to him that he hasn’t created a job until the jobless rate is BELOW what it was when he took office!
Until then, he has only lost jobs.

RockingHorseGuy
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What’s really amazing is that this exceptionally intelligent man, (to hear the libs talk), would need something like that to be explained to him.

beanhead54
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beanhead54

RHG: “What’s really amazing is that this exceptionally intelligent man, (to hear the libs talk), would need something like that to be explained to him.”

Wonder how long it will take him to understand the phrase, “You don’t work here anymore” in January ’13.

Sad to say, the “peaceful exchange of power” will probably require an eviction notice to be posted @ 1600 and a no tresspass warrant to be drawn.

RockingHorseGuy
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As he backs up a truck to the exit, to take all the goodies with him, like the Clintons did?

RockingHorseGuy
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I just had a funny thought. Of course it won’t happen, but wouldn’t it be cool to see the winner of the election, whomever it may be, take the podium and say, “Hey, Obama! Get your damn feet off of MY desk!”

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

Don’t forget the keys with the letters of the new President’s initials being removed from all the computers!

Jayhawk46
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Jayhawk46

Yet another example of the extraordinary inefficiency of the federal government. If you want to create a boatload of jobs, the LAST people you want involved are the feds. What we need is someone willing to dismantle the nanny state. Stop telling truck drivers how many hours a day they can drive. Stop telling people what lightbulbs or toilets to buy. Stop telling car manufacturers what cars to build. Sytematically rip out every department that is not supported by the Constitution and get rid of it. Nice story about uncle Milty… hadn’t heard that one before!

RockingHorseGuy
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All but the truck driver’s hours there, Greg. You have no idea the stupid crap truck drivers will pull without that one regulation. It’s bad enough right now, with dispatchers pushing the drivers to run double log books. People get killed, and I don’t much like that.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

You got it wrong RHG, driving hours is not the problem these days it’s truck driving “schools”. Stop at any truck stop while on the road and you will see what I mean if you hang around the diesel desk.

I have seen drivers from the Baltic countries, Russia or whatever, pulling doubles for Fed-Ex. People from India driving a truck. Because of NAFTA, thank that dumb shit Bill Clinton, Mexican trucks are allowed on our highways. and most of them do not speak, understand, nor can read English. But they can go to these truck driving schools for 3 weeks, get tutored in their own language, have an interpreter present to help with the written tests, and get a commercial drivers license.

If these “drivers” do not understand English, they can’t read the traffic signs on our highways and byways. It should be illegal to allow anyone on the long hauls with no more experience than a 3 week driving school. They should have to start out small, driving on short local hauls until they fully understand what the job is about. Nobody should be allowed to get a CDL unless they have a good understanding of the English language so they read and know what the signs on the road mean.

You and I spent a lot of years in the same business, I too can operate anything with wheels or tracks on it. But we didn’t get to start at the top, we were allowed the chance but we had to start at the bottom and work our way up. You remember the first time you got on a loader or dozer? I do and it was not pretty but I was off where I could not do any real damage and I learned from there.

It was the same with working with powder. I drilled a hell of a lot of holes before I was allowed to touch a cap, a stick or a sack of ANFO. I still remember the job I was on when I got to load the shot all on my own and it was a rush like no drink or drug can give you when everything goes right. I was hooked and made a good career as a powder monkey. Damn, I do miss that thrill that comes from hitting the button on the battery box!

But, to get back to the point. Nobody should be allowed to drive a truck with nothing more than a school certificate unless they understand English. Nobody should be allowed on the long hauls until they get a couple of years experience doing local runs, like working for a construction or delivery company. That would do more to make our highways safer than all the rules about driving hours will ever do.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

They have changed over the years, but the joke used to be:
Do you know what J.B Hunt means?
Just
Been
Hired
Unfortunately
Not
Trained

RockingHorseGuy
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Please don’t understand, Whiskey. I was saying that the truck driver’s hours regulation was the only one he mentioned that I thought was an absolute necessity. I wasn’t saying that it was the only regulation on trucking that was necessary for public safety. I have seen firsthand the problems with non-English speaking drivers. If you think over-the-road trucking is being taken over by them, you should spend some time with dirt haulers. Trust me, at the end of each day, when I had to argue time tickets with them, I REALLY wished they spoke our language.
I felt like I was moderating a U.N. debate, with the translators out on strike.

Sidekick
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Sidekick

I guess busy work isn’t what they all thought it would be.

I heard a story that while Milton Friedman was visiting India he toured a big public works dam project. He noticed that there were literally thousands of workers with nothing but shovels with which to build the dam. He asked a supervisor why there was no steam powered equipment. The supervisor said because the goal was to put as many people to work as possible. Friedman asked that if employment were the goal, why not just give the workers spoons?

oldsmaj
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oldsmaj

Cute point but anything can be carried to the extreme.. You could skip the spoons and each person carry a little dirt pinched between finger and thumb. 🙁

Sidekick
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Sidekick

Or how about let the market work and the government get out of the way?

RockingHorseGuy
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Or maybe, put some people to work building steam equipment.

KimmyQueen
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Exactly! DUH!!!!! LOLOL Like Reagan said Government is not here to help us.

RockingHorseGuy
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We can do it ourselves. Just get out of the way!

Olivia
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Olivia

We can do it ourselves. Just get out of the way!
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Why, that’s EXACTLY what the strip mining companies, Chicago meat packing companies and New York sweatshops used to say.

The public (and many, many poor families) found out the hard way why government must regulate business to some extent.

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Sidekick
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Sidekick

Of course Marxist states are responsible stewards of their environments. Government knows best, right? 😉

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

strip mining companies, Chicago meat packing companies and New York sweatshops used to say.

Over 100 years ago, get with the times old timer!

Sidekick
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Sidekick

That was my first thought too. Sweat shops? What do you want to bet that she has a pair of Indonesian sweatshop made Nikes or Reeboks on her feet right this minute?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

Oh, but that’s OK because we’re providing the 3rd world with jobs to better themselves! 😉

beanhead54
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beanhead54

Slowlivia: “Why, that’s EXACTLY what the strip mining companies, Chicago meat packing companies and New York sweatshops used to say.”

So…. All those poor folk w/their shovels who are making a living diggin’ a strip mine are different from all those poor folks who are making a living w/their shovels diggin’ a dam are different HOW again?

Nobody has a problem w/ regulating safety and working conditions, but, that’s an AFTERTHOUGHT to a creation of conditions. Working under difficult conditions comes with the territory with some jobs, but, there is a tendency these days to over-intellectualize the dangers of a job before work has even begun. Much of the reason that we are no longer a productive, industrial nation and much of the reason we have literally millions of people sitting idle, is that a few pantywaist, soft-handed thinkers have decided that many tasks are entirely too dangerous to simply call work.

I offer an example:

OKLAHOMA CITY — The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is considering a crackdown on farm dust, so senators have signed a letter addressing their concerns on the possible regulations.

The letter dated July 23 to the EPA states, “If approved, would establish the most stringent and unparalleled regulation of dust in our nation’s history.” It further states, “We respect efforts for a clean and healthy environment, but not at the expense of common sense. These identified levels will be extremely burdensome for farmers and livestock producers to attain. Whether its livestock kicking up dust, soybeans being combined on a dry day in the fall, or driving a car down the gravel road, dust is a naturally occurring event.”

http://www.news9.com/story/12899662/epa-to-crack-down-on-farm-dust?redirected=true

Sidekick
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Sidekick

I am more cynical, bean. I remember when that story broke and my first thought was that it was action simply to extract more money from farmers rather than any attempt to control farm dust. Remember Lenin’s quote: “The way to eliminate the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of high taxes and debt.” in this case the farmers are the bourgeoisie.

drb
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drb

At least the regulation on spilled milk got repealed! We no longer have to treat milk as a hazardous material.

RockingHorseGuy
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They cracked down on “dust” in the Coachella Valley during my last few years as a grading foreman there. It’s no longer called dust, now it’s “PM10,” particulate material, under 10 microns. I know all about it, I was “PM10” certified, one of the few who had the certificate. I was pretty popular among the superintendents at the time, since each project over a certain size was required by law to have a “PM10” certificate holder on the job at all times that work was being performed.

One major housing/golf course project I worked on was a mile square, surrounded by agriculture on one side, desert on the other. We had an extremely expensive dust control program being carried out on the job, and when the wind kicked up too bad, we had to shut the job down. Sometimes there’s just no amount of water trucks and soil sealant that can keep up while moving dirt.

One day, the wind came up so severely that a giant dust cloud was kicked up in the desert west of us, blew ACROSS the mile-square project, where we had already shut down earthmoving efforts and were operating dust control equipment only, and blew off across the farm fields east of us.

The EPA guys were notified, took one look at it, and fined the developer $23,000. Government efficiency at it’s finest.

Sidekick
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Sidekick

These idiots will try to regulate wind in addition to wiping out the bird population while trying to harness it. When will the tipping point come is my question?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

When will the tipping point come is my question?

When they have finally shut down the entire country.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

The point of that story is it will cost X amount of money to build this dam, highway, bridge or whatever. The difference between socialist countries like India and us, the U.S. of A., is the taxpayer funds the project for the benefit of all citizens but a private contractor does the actual work.

It is up to the contractor who gets the bid to decide. Do we want to use loaders and trucks to move the material to build the dam? Do we want to use the biggest scrapers Caterpillar builds? Or do we use 1000 illegal immigrants with shovels and wheelbarrows? The cost is going to be about the same so you have to look at the time involved and efficiency of the equipment you use.

The government will choose the 1000 illegal immigrants with shovels every time while a private contractor will go with the equipment best suited for the job. The gooberment will take 5 years to do the job, the private contractor will get it done in 2. Government will justify cost over-runs and ask for more money to get the job done, private contractors do not have that option. If the bid to build the dam is $200 million then the dam has to be built for $200 million.

That is how private contractors make a profit. Bid the job at $200 million, do the job for $150 million. It is a hell of a lot better system to get public works projects done than letting government employees do it. When goobernment gets involved a $200 million project quickly becomes a $400 million project.

beanhead54
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beanhead54

WR: “The government will choose the 1000 illegal immigrants with shovels every time…”

I beg to differ…. A Liberal/Socialist government will….

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

BWAACKKK!!!
SOCIALISM IS AN ECONOMY, NOT A GOVERNMENT!!!

So says Oblivious, therefore it must be.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

I have a shovel ready job made just for Obama. He can come down here, I’ll hand him the shovel, then he can shovel shit out of the barn and horse stalls. That would be much more productive than any of the shit he keeps trying to shove down our throats.

Buck O'Fama
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Buck O'Fama

The perfect job for Obama! Nobody knows more about horse shit than a horse’s ass.

Tesslea
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Tesslea

That person is not Fit to shovel my horse’s shit… the horse is better than him.

KimmyQueen
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I have difficulty to figure out which one of these three comments made me laugh the hardest. 😀

RockingHorseGuy
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It’d take him all day to shovel one pile, with arms like that. I bet he shovels like a girl.

Sorry, girls. No offense.

brm
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brm

It’s okay. I shovel like a girl, and I’m proud of it! lol

RockingHorseGuy
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As well you should be. But having watched him ride his bicycle, throw a ball, and stand close to a martial arts exhibit, you know what I mean.

brm
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brm

And don’t forget the manly man way he drinks beer. Makes me totally swoon. haha

Olivia
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Olivia

It’d take him all day to shovel one pile, with arms like that. I bet he shovels like a girl.
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Uh…..Horse? I think you’re confusing physical fitness with obesity.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

Physical fitness?
Please show me where he has performed any sporting activity like a man!
Watch out, your supervisor is coming! Close the posting window!

Sidekick
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Sidekick

Hey hey, he played JV basketball in high school.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49

OK, I meant in the last 30 years!

beanhead54
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beanhead54

My very first “TD for 3” goes to….. Guess Who?

The Slowlivia (lack of) Thought Process: Hmmmm… the conversation is about shovels, shovel ready, horses, horse pucky.
I know! I’ll talk about FAT!!

Way to maintain relevance, Slow! NOT!

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