How many of you think Alaska is an island? Some twitters did, apparently because all the US maps they’ve seen show it “all by itself.” And BTW, it’s not Sarah Palin that thinks they can see Russia from their house, but some others further east may…

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Olivia
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Olivia
January 2, 2012 7:19 am

What has been documented was a TV expose where donations to the Salvation Army were tracked by location. Wal-Mart in a low income area and an upscale store in San Francisco. Wal-Mart outshined SF by a tidy sum, but you refuse to acknowlege that one, even though I have mentioned it here several times!
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And the “TV exposé” tracked the political affiliation of donors (and also those who passed by the donation kettle without dropping in any money) by……?

And the “TV exposé” was able to determine that those who didn’t put money in the kettle also didn’t contribute to any other charitable causes, by……?

Poopajoe, that’s not a scientific study. In fact, unless those conducting the “exposé” tracked the political affiliations of every passer-by (those who contributed and those who didn’t), and checked to see if those who didn’t contribute were donating to other charities, it revealed nothing about conservative vs. liberal donations.

In fact, unless you know how much each donor actually gave (people have been known to drop in a few pennies, presumably to ease their conscience rather than to offer any real help), this “exposé” sounds pointless, except perhaps as fodder for political propaganda.

Now, don’t try to BS me any further. I’ve seen your own tirades about obese poor people allegedly abusing EBT cards at the grocery store, or trying to dun “free stuff” out of hardworking right wingers. Your own words show that you have very little compassion for the poor, the jobless and uninsured, and zero confidence that offering them unearned benefits will help them in any way.

I’ll believe you righties are charitable, the day I see you stop insulting the poor. But I don’t expect to live long enough to see that.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
January 2, 2012 7:32 am

Cities were selected by their voting records, the kettles were later opened and contributions counted. By every measure, conservatives are more charitable than lieberals (sic). Your rock-headed attitude is not going to change that.
My intolerance for people with EBT cards is based on their appearance and the amount of cash they used to make non EBT eligible purchases.
I don’t insult the poor, I insult those that abuse the system, of which there have been amny cases cited on this website.
You haven’t lived long enough to see that, because brain dead qualifies as no longer alive.

PsychoDad
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PsychoDad
December 31, 2011 11:19 am

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123258358706104403.html

Over the past several years, studies have consistently shown that people on the political right outperform those on the left when it comes to charity. ….

In May of last year, the Gallup polling organization asked 1,200 American adults about their giving patterns. People who called themselves “conservative” or “very conservative” made up 42% of the population surveyed, but gave 56% of the total charitable donations. In contrast, “liberal” or “very liberal” respondents were 29% of those polled but gave just 7% of donations.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 3:51 pm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123258358706104403.html

Over the past several years, studies have consistently shown that people on the political right outperform those on the left when it comes to charity. ….

In May of last year, the Gallup polling organization asked 1,200 American adults about their giving patterns. People who called themselves “conservative” or “very conservative” made up 42% of the population surveyed, but gave 56% of the total charitable donations. In contrast, “liberal” or “very liberal” respondents were 29% of those polled but gave just 7% of donations.
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Reread my post, Psycho. As I pointed out, not all or most charitable donations are destined for the poor—-or even for people in need. And I think it’s just hilarious that you assume everyone tells the truth about how much s/he gives to charity. Especially far right wingers. 😀

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
January 2, 2012 6:54 am

Well, since you seem to have missed it several times, I will put it here and see if you trip over it this time Oblivious!

What has been documented was a TV expose where donations to the Salvation Army were tracked by location. Wal-Mart in a low income area and an upscale store in San Francisco. Wal-Mart outshined SF by a tidy sum, but you refuse to acknowlege that one, even though I have mentioned it here several times!

BTW, there were no people claiming they donated anything, it was all documented by hidden cameras. Try to spin that one my bitch!

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 12:42 am

I find it hilarious that you cannot admit that conservatives give more than liberals. After all, if they are lying, wouldn’t BOTH groups report high amounts?

Olivia
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Olivia
January 2, 2012 6:53 am

I find it hilarious that you cannot admit that conservatives give more than liberals.
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But there’s no reliable way to measure that, Rose. That “study” Psycho cited, that you seem to think was so reliable, was actually just a poll. And polls aren’t exactly scientific research. ESPECIALLY polls that ask people to evaluate their own worth. 😉
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After all, if they are lying, wouldn’t BOTH groups report high amounts?
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Some people lie about themselves and some don’t, Rose. In my experience, it’s right wingers who seem to have a greater need to parade their supposed superior virtue, and put down that of their political opponents. (Example: look a few posts above this one, to Robert’s claim that I don’t display any evidence of morality. Look at the discrepancy between what Newt Gingrich claims to value, and what he actually does.) 😉

But you totally ignored my other points:
(1) that those who boast about giving to the poor through private charity are very often the same ones who go around blaming the poor for their own problems, and insisting that unearned money and benefits will destroy their initiative. We see that all the time on these IHTM boards. Now, honestly, do you really think that someone who regularly insults the poor, the jobless and the uninsured is going to run right out and make big monetary donations to charities that give these people “free stuff”?

(2) that much of what’s deemed “charitable donations” doesn’t go to the needy. Those megachurches springing up like dandelions all over the country, often boasting state-of-the-art auditoriums, reception rooms, recreational facilities and big, professionally landscaped lawns, owe their existence (and maintenance) to charitable donations. Conservative Christians (many of whom belong to churches that require tithing) might give 10% or more of their income to charity, without any of it being earmarked for genuinely charitable causes.

Critical thinking 101: when what a person SAYS (e.g., “I give generously to the poor”) doesn’t jibe with what s/he DOES (e.g., insulting and slamming the poor for their own plight), believe what s/he DOES rather than what s/he CLAIMS to do.

I’m willing to believe in the generosity of a political conservative if I see evidence of a generous spirit, as well as claims of monetary generosity. Quite simply, I don’t see much evidence of the former on this board….especially toward selected populations of poor, uninsured and unemployed.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 6:58 pm

That’s right Oblivious. Keep ignoring my posts on the subject, because they prove you wrong!

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 7:34 pm

SOP for the libs poppajoe.

sheerfire
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sheerfire
December 31, 2011 4:45 pm

Olivia you have done it again. You are one of the few individuals here who present consistent and concise arguments while the rest use superficial reasoning to attack liberals.

I’m not surprise that so many people here attack you when you post. So much for morality.

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 5:01 pm

oh, another kool aid kid.

“Olivia you have done it again. You are one of the few individuals here who present consistent and concise arguments while the rest use superficial reasoning to attack liberals.”

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha you’re both so stupid it’s amazing you have the ability to breathe, much less surf the interwebz. what fools you both are. and LIBERALS have no idea what morality is. you’re all so full of yourselves you think when you post your comments you’re being clever, but now you prove your sub-intelligence by posting such ridiculous tripe as you both have done.

I’ve yet to read ANY post by either of you that would suggest either morality or logic.

no wonder obammy’s in office, with bs artists and cockamamie swallowers supporting him.

PsychoDad
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PsychoDad
December 30, 2011 12:33 pm

Now here’s what an =intelligent= Vice President says, so take =this=, Sarah!

“If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there’s still a 30% chance we’re going to get it wrong.”

“When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television….”

“A man I’m proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!”

“… a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs.”

“Stand up, Chuck, let ’em see ya.” (To Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is wheelchair-bound.)

“You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent…. I’m not joking.”

Yup, a liberal intellectual at his finest!

Olivia
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Olivia
December 30, 2011 5:37 pm

You can cherry pick all the Biden quotes you please, Psycho—but, when it comes to sheer stupidity and gullibility, the target of this famous prank—a popular right wing icon—-is hard to beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc

I have to say, if a Canadian radio announcer with a really fake sounding accent could dupe her with this BS, can you imagine what this country’s enemies could do to her?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 1:17 pm

You can cherry pick all the Biden quotes you please, Psycho—but, when it comes to sheer stupidity and gullibility, the target of this famous prank—a popular right wing icon—-is hard to beat.

The difference Oblivious, is that it took someone else to trick her with a prank, Biden is so naturally stupid that he pulls his gaffes without help! Besides, there is no need to cherry pick Biden quotes, just pick out any public appearance by him and read the transcripts! After all, “This is a big fucking deal” isn’t it?

PsychoDad
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PsychoDad
December 30, 2011 5:39 pm

Ni!
Ni!
Ni!

PsychoDad
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PsychoDad
December 30, 2011 12:17 pm

Is Alaska our 57th state?

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 6:46 pm

Hey barry bonano obama… are you smarter than a 5th grader?

NOPE.

guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 30, 2011 1:36 pm

I believe it’s the 55th, with Hawaii being the 56th. Not sure where the last one is.

PsychoDad
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PsychoDad
December 30, 2011 6:14 pm

It’s somewhere in Asia, like Hawaii.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
December 30, 2011 9:36 pm

Good eye there, Guy. Yep, .45 ACP retrieved outta the gel block. At least, that’s what they tell me. My results have always been less perfect than this one, but the ones I’ve checked all looked similar to this in that rip saw blade profile, just more mangled and unforgiving.

guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 31, 2011 9:59 am

Not to keep going off topic, but nice job on the hollow point. Since these were outlawed years ago, I prefer Hornady personal defense ammo for my 1911. The point is filled w/a plastic material to penetrate heavy clothing before expanding. I hope I never have to see how effective they are.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
December 31, 2011 10:59 am

They did ban them for civilian sale, though you can possess them if you have them. As it happens, the manufacturer has a veritable twin on the market for a while now. I think it used to be called the SXT but they’ve changed it again to the Ranger T. The item pic at http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/LargeImage.aspx?sku=AMM-5160 is very artistic. The design has taken a few small alterations but it looks prrretttyy much the same or worse, or better depending on the perspective.

drb
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drb
December 30, 2011 2:18 pm

Puerto Rico! hahaha

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
December 30, 2011 7:20 pm

Nah, not PR. It will always be a – – – whatever it is, I don’t know right off. Is it a commonwealth? Do we have those? Sounds really quite British. Whatever, the designation will not change to statehood – directly.

See, like Guy said, Alaska and Hawaii are 55 and 56, respective, and Mexico will be 57, mere months after it becomes Centrales Islámica de la Americas.

Well, this plausibly seems the vision of solyndra gunwalker at the outset of his dreams to organize the national community and guide us into the global occupation his masters seek.

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 9:36 pm

KY. PA. VA. MASS. are commonwealths, as are Puerto Rico and Northern Marianas Islands. 😀

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
December 30, 2011 9:59 pm

Alrighty then. Do they rate as states, too? J/k – kinda. Obviously, the Britishness of the word ‘commonwealth’ neither precludes statiness, nor includes it. I don’t find that anymore troubling than than the variations in the meanings of all the words that sound like 2.

PsychoDad
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PsychoDad
December 31, 2011 11:01 am

Nah, “Commonwealth” as used here in the Mass.SSR is different from the “Commonwalth” that PR is. We are definitely a state, PR is not. I

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
December 31, 2011 11:25 am

I spent about a month google mapping Vermont and decided I’d like to live there in one of the large wooded areas. Lottery be a Lady Tonight!

Can’t lose if you don’t play.

guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 30, 2011 9:16 pm

“Centrales Islamica de la Americas”—LMAO. Hey Mr. H, I gotta know, being somewhat of a gun nut, is that a Black Talon? Very pretty mushroom with nasty jagged edges.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 1:12 pm

Yes Guy, that is a Black Talon. I had no idea what it was and asked Dean a while back.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 2:47 pm

I thought it was the State of confusion where Olivia lives…

guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 30, 2011 2:43 pm

That’s it! I thought it was one of those Carribean island states, but couldn’t remember which one.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 9:59 am

Well this comes from the same bunch of liberals that teach there members Islands will tip over if you put too many Marines on them…Their knowledge of the world is based only on what they think they know. I love Alaska, beautiful, big and for those on the left, it’s actually attached to Canada. I know that may be hard to swallow, but its true, and islands do not tip over no matter how many Marines you put on them. God where do these people come from?

Olivia
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Olivia
December 30, 2011 12:11 pm

Well this comes from the same bunch of liberals that teach there members Islands will tip over if you put too many Marines on them…Their knowledge of the world is based only on what they think they know. I love Alaska, beautiful, big and for those on the left, it’s actually attached to Canada. I know that may be hard to swallow, but its true, and islands do not tip over no matter how many Marines you put on them. God where do these people come from?
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Your imagination, of course. Or some right wing propaganda mill that feeds it. 😉

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 1:08 pm

Your imagination, of course. Or some right wing propaganda mill that feeds it.

That right wing propoganda mill at CBS News?

“April 1, 2010 12:39 PM PrintText Hank Johnson Worries Guam Could “Capsize” After Marine Buildup”

Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) is raising some eyebrows with a comment he made about the U.S. territory of Guam during a House Armed Services Committee hearing last Thursday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001567-503544.html

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 31, 2011 3:29 pm

How in the world did the general testifying keep a straight face when that moron made those comments? I’ve seen the video, it is classic. The general was totally dead pan when he said he didn’t think that Guam was likely going to capsize. Indefensible ignorance and stupidity on Johnson’s part.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 3:47 pm

How in the world did the general testifying keep a straight face when that moron made those comments? I’ve seen the video, it is classic. The general was totally dead pan when he said he didn’t think that Guam was likely going to capsize. Indefensible ignorance and stupidity on Johnson’s part.
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I watched the video. If Johnson indeed believes that islands tip over and capsize, then he needs to take a basic course in earth science and/or geography.

Of course, there’s always the chance that he was using figures of speech instead of speaking literally, although it certainly doesn’t sound like it here.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 12:40 am

Oh please, watch the video yourself. He was dead serious! GOD you are annoying! You simply CANNOT admit when you are wrong!

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 3:24 pm

LOL damn if Olivia doesn’t Prove Ms. Gump’s statement: Stupid is as Stupid does.

PsychoDad
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PsychoDad
December 30, 2011 12:14 pm

Ni! Ni!

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 30, 2011 11:08 am

Don’t forget the moron who didn’t think Arizona shared a border with Mexico! And she held public office!

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
December 30, 2011 11:24 am

I won’t bother to look up the name of that idiot but she was one of the liberals elected to office in Milwaukee, my old hometown. When first broadcast I was laughing too hard to hear or read that tidbit. Later I blitzed a bunch of my old friends and acquaintances, well, the liberal ones that don’t get much in the line of reality, with the video of her making her statement. What an idiot. A simple mistake was the excuse I heard several times. If you’re elected to ANY office in this whole country, You should know well more than which states border Mexico, as far as geography goes. Then to go saying something so stupid should lead to immediate ouster.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 3:34 pm

If you’re elected to ANY office in this whole country, You should know well more than which states border Mexico, as far as geography goes. Then to go saying something so stupid should lead to immediate ouster.
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Translation: “If you hear a liberal politician make an incorrect statement, assume s/he’s stupid, and immediately oust him/her from office. If it’s a right wing politician making an incorrect statement, make all kinds of excuses for him/her, and change the subject.”

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 6:38 pm

Turkey Turds

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 31, 2011 3:42 pm

Translation: “If you hear a liberal politician make an incorrect statement, assume s/he’s stupid, and immediately oust him/her from office. If it’s a right wing politician making an incorrect statement, make all kinds of excuses for him/her, and change the subject.”

Translation to the translation. That’s what we progressives have been doing for decades but the lifting got heavier with the likes of Biden, SJ Lee, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Harry Reid, Steny Hoyer, and Nancy Pelosi to name just a few.

Please point out just ONE case where we defended something stupid or just plain ignorant said by a GOP member. I bet that if you do, I and maybe some of the other posters here will likely agree that it was stupid and indefensible. You are the only one committed to defending the asinine and indefensible on this board.

guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 29, 2011 4:31 pm

I was born and raised in SE Alaska on an island (not the “BIG” island of “ALASKA”) in a town called Ketchikan. It really amazes me to see the brain numbed idiots that are coming out of our education system. They have all the new technology in the world but are dumb as rocks. I’ve never left a post here before but have been reading this site for about 8 mos. now and am hooked on it. Great job by Editor, Administrator, contributors, and all of the ‘regulars’ except Oblivia, Everhard,et al.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 30, 2011 11:06 am

Welcome to the circus Guy! Great to have you with us.

guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 30, 2011 1:16 pm

And a fun circus it is, Thank You.

andre
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andre
December 30, 2011 8:56 am

“They have all the new technology in the world but are dumb as rocks. ”

No need to insult rocks.

PsychoDad
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PsychoDad
December 29, 2011 5:50 pm

Welcome aboard!

guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 29, 2011 8:10 pm

Thanks PD for the welcome. I heard about this site last Spring on the Armstrong & Getty show on my way to work one morning in the PRK. Came home and checked it out for a few days and I was hooked. Good conservative folks who respect the Constitution. I prefer to practice the 2nd Ammendment on a regular basis, so I’ll be at the range tomorrow honing a few skills.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 30, 2011 12:44 pm

Thanks PD for the welcome. I heard about this site last Spring on the Armstrong & Getty show on my way to work one morning in the PRK. Came home and checked it out for a few days and I was hooked. Good conservative folks who respect the Constitution. I prefer to practice the 2nd Ammendment on a regular basis, so I’ll be at the range tomorrow honing a few skills.
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As Bette Davis famously said: “Fasten your seat belts; it’s going to be a bumpy ride.” 😉

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 2:45 pm

The opinions expressed by Olivia are not the opinions of any animal, mineral or vegetable, living or dead.

Olivia’s new disclaimer…..

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 6:53 pm

the best thing about Olivia slid down her mom’s butt crack when she was born.

LA Sunset
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January 1, 2012 8:44 am

Careful, Robert. No one is ever completely worthless. At very least, they can serve as a bad example.

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 1:56 pm

turd!

Olivia
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Olivia
December 30, 2011 12:58 pm

“Fasten your seatbelts; it’s going to be a bumpy ride.” – from the 1950 film All About Eve [C]
Actual quote: “Fasten your seatbelts—it’s gonna be a bumpy night!” The quote, uttered by Bette Davis’s character Margo Channing, was perhaps corrupted as it makes more sense to buckle for a ride somewhere.

Nice try.
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I was waiting to see which one of you professional googlers would barge in to correct me on that last word. 😉

My point—which was lost in your haste to show off your googled knowledge—was that I think Guy Smiley promises to be a very interesting addition to this board. 😉

LA Sunset
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January 1, 2012 7:18 am

//I was waiting to see which one of you professional googlers would barge in to correct me on that last word//

BS, you were ignorant on that subject (and properly corrected) or you would have said it right the first time…. to try to impress people you have never been able to impress before.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 1:35 pm

I was waiting to see which one of you professional googlers would barge in to correct me on that last word.

So, now you claim that you purposely mis-quoted her in an effort to unmask the person that would correct you? You failed because we all would have done it, Kick just was the first!

drb
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drb
December 31, 2011 4:55 pm

Now that is truly laughable. She is trying to make the claim that it was a set up. That she was successful in making a fool of someone by getting them to make a foolish reply. Yet there was nothing foolish in his reply, so who’s the real fool?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 12:37 am

Desperation Thy name is OLIVIA!

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 5:02 pm

um… i’m just throwing this out there… um… olibia?

drb
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drb
December 31, 2011 8:01 pm

each is free to come to one’s own conclusion 😉

drb
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drb
January 1, 2012 6:03 am

Happy New Year Robert. The current font is fine. But please no bold lettering or all caps. I don’t worry with grammar, punctuation or spelling. I’m bound to screw those things up from time to time as well. (especially spelling) As long as I can understnd you, well, that’s all that matters.

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 8:15 pm

drb drb dooooooooooo. 😀

Hey female friend! I’ve mist ya!

i has a question for you.

is there a particular font or style of writing that I could use so that you’re able to more readily discern posts here?
Besides proper grammar, punctuation and what not? *sorry for the colloquialism.

🙂 hugs and happy new year’s eve to you fine frind. 🙂

sorry, i know phonetics and their transliteration into USA English keyboard. 🙂

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 30, 2011 1:45 pm

“I was waiting to see which one of you professional googlers would barge in to correct me on that last word.”

You lie like it is your job. Nice try. Again. I only google your references since you are indeed full of crap. I knew you couldn’t get a quote right.

PsychoDad
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PsychoDad
December 30, 2011 5:38 pm

Now now, Livvy DID HER BEST, and that’s what counts!

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 6:55 pm

right PD, that and feeling good about herself. That’s what libucation is all about innit?

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 30, 2011 12:53 pm

“Fasten your seatbelts; it’s going to be a bumpy ride.” – from the 1950 film All About Eve [C]
Actual quote: “Fasten your seatbelts—it’s gonna be a bumpy night!” The quote, uttered by Bette Davis’s character Margo Channing, was perhaps corrupted as it makes more sense to buckle for a ride somewhere.

Nice try.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
December 30, 2011 6:38 pm

Odd coinkydink here… I watched Jeopardy tonight and one of the categories was on the order of ‘complete the movie quotes’. One came up ‘Fasten your seatbelts; It’s going to be a _____ _____.’
My quick response was ‘bumpy ride’. One of the contestants said the same thing on the tube, I think. Incorrect! What? WRONG!!!

It’s going to be a bumpy night.’

Who knew?

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 7:12 pm

apparently, Sidekick. 😀

RobertW
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December 29, 2011 11:14 pm

People Republic of Korea?

you eat kimchee maybe?

i tried it once. I was 3 sheets to the wind but i remember it. oh dissssssssgusting.

Howdy regardless.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 30, 2011 7:28 am

More likely Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.

drb
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drb
December 29, 2011 5:19 pm

uh uh, my friend…you have posted here before…a long while back, but you did…perhaps you have forgotten. Still, I remember “Guy Smiley”. 😉

guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 29, 2011 7:53 pm

drb, This is my first post ever on the computer. Possibly someone else had used this name before me? I just tried to think of something half-way decent and remembered my friends used to call me this back in the 80’s.

drb
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drb
December 29, 2011 8:20 pm

Possible…but are you sure you did make a single post or two back around 8 months ago when you first began coming to this site? I remember the name because it made me laugh…I thought who would choose a muppet from Sesame Street to use as a user ID? I haven’t forgotten it though, that’s for sure. 😉 Odd for two to choose the same muppet ID though, don’t you think?

guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 30, 2011 1:25 pm

Hi drb, My memory isn’t what it used to be, but I’m sure I’ve never left a post on any site before. I just got my 1st computer ever in Dec. ’10 and I’m about 1/2 or 3/4 computer illiterate. I just learned copy & paste a couple months ago so I have a large learning curve. I was also shall we say ‘shy’ to leave comments but hey, so far so good. This is fun! Just go easy on me!

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 1:55 pm
guysmiley
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guysmiley
December 30, 2011 2:36 pm

LOL! Thanks Robert–that would be him (me).

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 6:48 pm

my pleasure.

drb
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drb
December 30, 2011 1:31 pm

fair enough…we shall leave it at that then.

CO2Insanity
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December 29, 2011 4:44 pm

They’re too busy brainwashing kids in school nowadays to actually teach them anything about reality. My eldest son used to tell me he was going to school to get his daily dose of propaganda. My youngest feels the same way. Chips off the old block.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 30, 2011 12:06 pm

They’re too busy brainwashing kids in school nowadays to actually teach them anything about reality. My eldest son used to tell me he was going to school to get his daily dose of propaganda. My youngest feels the same way. Chips off the old block.
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“Chips off the old block,” indeed. YOU parrot antieducation propaganda from the far right wing media, and THEY parrot you.

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December 30, 2011 4:46 pm

If his kids are anything like mine he has done a fine job. They will grow up knowing how to think for themselves, they will understand the need for fiscal conservatism with their personal finances, they will be man, or woman, enough to stand up and take personal responsibility for their actions, they will graduate knowing how to read and write.

What did I miss here? Oh, I know! They will grow up knowing that if they work hard the rewards will come later and they need not ask anyone for anything. Especially the gooberment.

Olivia
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December 30, 2011 5:12 pm

If his kids are anything like mine he has done a fine job. They will grow up knowing how to think for themselves, they will understand the need for fiscal conservatism with their personal finances, they will be man, or woman, enough to stand up and take personal responsibility for their actions, they will graduate knowing how to read and write.
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My kids can do all those things, Whiskey—but they also know how to think for themselves, instead of just bad-mouthing their teachers because that’s what the old man does.
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What did I miss here? Oh, I know! They will grow up knowing that if they work hard the rewards will come later and they need not ask anyone for anything. Especially the gooberment.
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Sorry, but my kids know better than that. They know, for example, that hard work doesn’t always guarantee a reward, either instant or delayed….and that, sometimes, those who seem blessed with the most rewards are NOT those who have worked hard for them.

They know, too, that not one of us got where we are today without ANY outside help….and they’re humble enough to realize that not everyone has had the advantages they did.

What’s more, they know better than to make snap moral judgments about people who receive government benefits….or to let TV and talk radio pundits put such ideas into their heads.

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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 5:18 pm

The opinions expressed by Olivia are not necessarily those of any Animal, mineral or vegetable living or dead.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 2:44 pm

Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa stop being mean to liberals they are my heros….just like my parrot..Olivia want a cracker?

Olivia
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December 30, 2011 5:32 pm

Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa stop being mean to liberals they are my heros….just like my parrot..Olivia want a cracker?
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Your translation is way off the mark. I couldn’t care less if you guys insult liberals, since I don’t think much of your judgment, anyway. But I find it funny that you think all public school personnel are liberals. You haven’t spent much time around schools, have you? 😉

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 5:43 pm

Translation was right on the mark..Its who who can not understand English, read English or comprehend the written word, on top of the fact your a racist. But have a nice day and don’t let the fact your used a racial slur slow you down.

Frank
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December 29, 2011 3:44 pm

Not only can you see Russia from Alaska, in the winter you can walk there.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 30, 2011 7:26 am

Thanks to global warming!

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver
December 29, 2011 2:41 pm

Many years ago I thought Alaska was an island. Then again, I was stationed on Kodiak and smoked a little dope when off duty.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 29, 2011 1:36 pm

Mayor Bloomturd can see New Jersey from his house….

PsychoDad
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December 29, 2011 12:40 pm

Hopefully, it was just the one stupid kid on twitter. OK, second-hand flashback time, and the New Yorker cover:

Back in the ’50s, Sinatra had a radio show called “Rocky Fortune.” In one episode the Wild West Show show comes to town (NYC), and Sinatra (Rocky) mentions that he grew up in the West. One of the cowboys expresses some disbelief; Sinatra replies, “Yeah, out by 10th Avenue. You can’t get any further west than that without falling in the Hudson River!”

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Progressive Hemrrhoid
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December 29, 2011 10:07 am

And I can see “Dear Leader’s” house from a village in Kenya.!!!

poppajoe49
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December 30, 2011 7:25 am

I can see “Dear Leader’s” house from a village in Kenya.!!!

Not his house, but his birthplace!

Progressive Hemrrhoid
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December 30, 2011 12:18 pm

No, in 2013 it will be his house!

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 29, 2011 10:54 am

I wish dear leader was there to enjoy the view himself.

jukin
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December 29, 2011 9:33 am

!00% of those that thought Alaska was an island voted for 0bama.

Actual quote by Palin was “You know there are some places in Alaska where you can see Russia.” Which is true. The “can be seen from my house” was said by Tina Fey on SNL and the 0bama media and the 0bmamaites took it to be Palin’s words. These are the people that put the worst president in in office and they also think 0bama is smart. Not just smart but super smart.

tslck
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tslck
December 29, 2011 3:28 pm

That is because liberal douche bag idiots will believe just about anything

andre
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December 30, 2011 8:52 am

Back when the Rep’s took control of both houses in ’94, and the House was voting on the Contract items, the MSM all took up the standard talking points of “the R’s want old people to die on the streets”, etc. I went to a GOPAC fundraiser in DC. The guest speaker was Rush.

When he took the podium, he made a joke, saying he bought his mother a new can opener for when she eats her cat food. A few days later, rep. Pat Schroeder (D, CO), was in front of a camera, with the usual passing-a-kidney-stone look on her face talking about how horrible Rush is that he forces his mother to eat cat food.

So some staffer heard this joke, or overheard someone talking about it, told Pat, and no one along the line thought “this has got to be a joke”?

Olivia
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December 30, 2011 11:25 am

When he took the podium, he made a joke, saying he bought his mother a new can opener for when she eats her cat food. A few days later, rep. Pat Schroeder (D, CO), was in front of a camera, with the usual passing-a-kidney-stone look on her face talking about how horrible Rush is that he forces his mother to eat cat food.

So some staffer heard this joke, or overheard someone talking about it, told Pat, and no one along the line thought “this has got to be a joke”?
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Rush himself is a caricature, Andre. He’s made statements that were more outrageous than “I force my mother to eat cat food,” and gotten rewarded handsomely for it.

But I can’t seem to find your anecdote anywhere. Would you mind telling me where you got it, and why you know for sure that it happened just as you described?

PsychoDad
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December 30, 2011 12:14 pm

NI!

andre
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December 30, 2011 11:34 am

I was at the fundraiser and heard him say it. A few days later, I saw the quote on tv, with the movements of Pat Schroeder’s mouth perfectly matching the words (this was before the days of photoshop, and computer generation of film/tv images was in its infancy, if it existed at all). What’s more, a couple of days after that, I also saw the rather lame effort on Ms Schroeder’s part to explain her previously expressed outrage away. That time also, I saw the movements of Ms Schroeder’s mouth perfectly matching the words I heard coming through the speaker.

Whether Rush is a caricature or not is, once again, a separate issue, and has nothing to do with the post.

Olivia
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December 30, 2011 2:11 pm

I was at the fundraiser and heard him say it. A few days later, I saw the quote on tv, with the movements of Pat Schroeder’s mouth perfectly matching the words (this was before the days of photoshop, and computer generation of film/tv images was in its infancy, if it existed at all). What’s more, a couple of days after that, I also saw the rather lame effort on Ms Schroeder’s part to explain her previously expressed outrage away. That time also, I saw the movements of Ms Schroeder’s mouth perfectly matching the words I heard coming through the speaker.

Whether Rush is a caricature or not is, once again, a separate issue, and has nothing to do with the post.
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Actually, it has a great deal to do with the post. We’ve already seen evidence that Rush is willing to say or do anything for the sake of controversy.

Personally, I don’t for one minute believe his mother eats cat food. Rush, after all, is a privileged son (like most right winger media heroes), with an affluent and well connected Daddy, so I don’t doubt Mrs. Limbaugh is wealthy enough to buy whatever she feels like eating.

It could be that Ms. Schroeder’s expression reflected her distaste for Rush, rather than her belief in anything he was saying. In case you didn’t know it, a lot of Americans (including some right wingers) think he’s a jerk—and a compulsive liar, to boot. Prescription drug addicts often are.

andre
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December 31, 2011 4:33 am

“Actually, it has a great deal to do with the post.”

Sorry, it has very little to do with it at best. You’re using an old old technique of arguing a point by impuning a 3rd party, and then claiming that because someone else is of questionable integrity, therefore the point is incorrect.

(Which I admit is a bit of a stretch on my part, since you did not actually SAY the point is incorrect – in which case that leaves nothing more than attempting to change the subject as the motivation. Which I must say, is pretty much the case in every one of your posts)

Let me recap –

Someone said that liberals will believe anything.

I gave an example of that, with the more specific case of a lack of a sense of humor leading one particular liberal to believe an absurd statement that was meant as a joke about THEM.

So the issue at hand is

Will a liberal believe anything? Or,

Will a liberal not believe anything?

What if my example had something to do with the sidewalk in front of the FBI building? Would it then matter whether J Edgar Hoover was gay or not? Well that would have as much to do with it as what Rush says, whether you or anyone else thinks things he said are outrageous, or his prescription drug addiction. It’s all irrelevant. The issue here was Pat Schoedor believing an obvioulsy ridiculous statement.

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December 30, 2011 4:41 pm

Give it up, Olivia. He just handed you your ass. Admit it. Youthought he wouldn’t be able to come up with anything to show the story was true and he nailed you (not that way, get your mind out of the gutter.) NO ONE believes his mother eats cat food. That is what made thereaction from Ms Schroeder so ridiculous!

Olivia
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December 30, 2011 5:28 pm

Give it up, Olivia. He just handed you your ass. Admit it. Youthought he wouldn’t be able to come up with anything to show the story was true and he nailed you (not that way, get your mind out of the gutter.) NO ONE believes his mother eats cat food. That is what made thereaction from Ms Schroeder so ridiculous!
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Except that he failed to provide details of “the reaction from Ms Schroeder.” All we got was a highly subjective interpretation of an allegedly pained look on her face.

But you swallowed it whole, because his interpretation is what you wanted to believe, didn’t you? Which makes you at least as gullible as anyone who took the cat food wisecrack seriously.

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December 31, 2011 9:22 am

I neer heard any of this. Anyone who would report that someone real;ly made their Mother eat cat food based on the statement made, is a moron. THAT is Ms. Schroeder’s reaction. I don’t swallow anything whole Olivia, that’s your forte!

andre
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December 31, 2011 7:31 am

“All we got was a highly subjective interpretation of an allegedly pained look on her face.”

Guilty as charged. Yes, referring to the look on her face as “that passing a kidney stone look” – that was completely subjective, and intended to be insulting. But if you read carefully and not do dub-in between the lines, you will note the use of the word “that”, as in “THAT … look on her face”, implying a certain specificity of appearance, meaning that was a normal look for her.

So it’s not the look on her face that tells me she really believed it. It was her trying to explain it away after Rush jumped all over her on his tv show.

And personally, I really don’t care whether anyone else believes it or why they do if they do. I don’t care if you can’t find it on the internet. Who the hell is going to go and put every single one minute clip from C-Span on line and link it with key words (or whatever the terminology is, gimme a break, I’m pushing 60). I can’t find any hits of either my father nor the village in which he was born. So I guess by your logic, I must be an ET. Or maybe I’m Christ, since his father was quite incidental, and had little to do with His birth. I was born a minute after midnight on the 25th of Dec after all.

In this case, I don’t need “hits”. I was there at that fundraiser, and later personally heard her say what she said. So if you don’t believe it, that’s a you problem from my viewpoint.

What I don’t understand is why you even care. Why don’t you just say well, she had a momentary brain cramp, or sure she has no sense of humor, but who can have a sense of humor when the R’s are trying to destroy the world, or some such. Or well, of course she’d believe that, since so many other conservatives actually ARE feeding their elderly mothers cat food. Okay, maybe not that one – you’d probably be asked for some specifics there. So a bunch of right wingnuts are having a laughfest at Pat Schroeder expense. So what?

andre
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andre
December 31, 2011 8:38 am

I guess we’ve reached the end of replies. In physics, known as the limit of repliability.

Yes, intentionally or otherwise, you’ve hit it dead on. Isn’t that always the problem with liberals? The thought that someone, somewhere, is doing what they want, when they want, and how they want just eats their guts out.

Sidekick
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December 31, 2011 7:50 am

Because it was not a properly sanctioned laughfest? Only women who are conservative may be ridiculed.

poppajoe49
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December 31, 2011 7:05 am

Except that he failed to provide details of “the reaction from Ms Schroeder.” All we got was a highly subjective interpretation of an allegedly pained look on her face.

So then, what you’re saying is that he provided as much, if not more proof of what he stated, than you are ever able to provide.
To paraphrase you, “He’s not going to scurry around collecting evidence to try to persuade you of something that you have no intention of accepting anyway. It matters very little whether you agree with him on this point—he doesn’t need your stamp of approval.”.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 1:44 pm

I knew keeping a .doc of some of her better stupidity would pay off!

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 31, 2011 7:09 am

That was good!

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 5:41 pm

Care boys and girls we are dealing with a racist here….Olivia has finally shown her hand.. A closet KKK Democrate

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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 11:59 pm

That was suppose to say careful..Damn auto speller!

drb
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drb
December 30, 2011 6:08 pm

Care? What is there about Olivia for any of us to care?

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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 2:42 pm

“Rush is willing to say anything for the sake of Controversy”

I guess that means you and him are soo much alike its scary…You do that every day your here…But Duh…..you forget about it while bashing Far righters….Sounds like your jealous of Rush having more scratch than you do since he is a privileged son…Want me to play “Fortunate Son” for ya by CCR?

Schroeder is not one of the brightest lightbulbs in the box…And then the addition part..hmmmmmm I bet if a liberal hero had a drug addiction in the past you would be all forgiving…But you have a Rush Fetish, you quote him, you buy his transcripts, you listen to him, and I bet he makes you hot don’t he? You are and always will be a grumpy old leftist crow with a bone to pick with anyone who isn’t as enlightened as you… And you’ll always be laughed at here cause your dumber than a box of dirt….

Swifty
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December 29, 2011 9:09 am

Claim: During the 2008 presidential campaign, Sarah Palin said: “I can see Russia from my house.”

FALSE.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/seealaska.asp

Olivia
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December 30, 2011 11:09 am

Claim: During the 2008 presidential campaign, Sarah Palin said: “I can see Russia from my house.”

FALSE.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/seealaska.asp
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Well, OF COURSE she didn’t say it, Not-so-Swifty. Most people, I think, are aware that she was only saying that you can see Russia from certain points in Alaska.

What was so funny about that remark, though, was that she was trying to use it as evidence that living in Alaska gives her foreign policy expertise. 😀

PsychoDad
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December 30, 2011 12:12 pm

Ni!

Ni!

Ni!

Sidekick
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December 30, 2011 11:14 am

What was so funny about that remark, though, was that she was trying to use it as evidence that living in Alaska gives her foreign policy expertise.

And you know that how?

East_TN_Patriot
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January 1, 2012 7:33 am

Actually, that is true. It was during her interview with Katie Couric. She was trying to show that she does have foreign policy experience because Russia is in close proximity to Alaska and they must negotiate “trade” with them. I am not aware of any actual effort made by Alaska to negotiate trade with Russia, nor do I think it would even be legal for a state to negotiate trade with a foreign nation. Alaska would likely be able to negotiate with Russian businesses, but I can see how people would argue that’s hardly the same as negotiating foreign policy. Does Palin have a legitimate point? That’s for people to decide, but the fact of the matter is that she did make the claim that Alaska’s proximity to Russia qualifies as giving her foreign policy experience.

Interview text and video here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/25/eveningnews/main4479062.shtml

Other stories ref this here:

http://blog.cleveland.com/pdextra/2008/09/palin_defends_alaskarussia_rem.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-09-24-1609338446_x.htm

sa_rose
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January 1, 2012 2:56 pm

Again, not a Palin fan, but how much foreign policy experience did Obamarama have? Or Bill Clinton, or Jimmah, or even Kennedy for that matter? Unless you consider the bulk of the US a foreign country to Chicago! After all, living in a foreign country doesn’t make you any more knowledgeable than living in a state nearby.

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January 1, 2012 6:49 pm

That’s not the point of my post. I was simply correcting the assertion by others that Palin didn’t make the claim that Alaska’s proximity to Russia qualifies her as having foreign policy experience. Obama clearly didn’t have much experience doing anything at all, but in my opinion, neither does Palin.

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January 1, 2012 8:50 pm

Oh I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just pointing pout that for everyone (OLIVIA!) who complains about her lack of foreign policy, they need to remember that their darlings had no more experience than she.

RobertW
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January 1, 2012 7:46 pm

what year is this? Palin’s not even running is she?

poppajoe49
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December 31, 2011 12:38 pm

And you know that how?

Haven’t you learned by now? Olivia is an expert on everything! 😀

Olivia
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December 30, 2011 12:04 pm

What was so funny about that remark, though, was that she was trying to use it as evidence that living in Alaska gives her foreign policy expertise.

And you know that how?
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By the context of the conversation, Kick. Do you mean to tell me you hadn’t heard it? 😀

You are here: Home / Transcript: Sarah Palin Interview with Charles Gibson, Part I
Transcript: Sarah Palin Interview with Charles Gibson, Part I
September 12, 2008 By Pelikan 7 Comments
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News Transcript
SHOW: WORLD NEWS WITH CHARLES GIBSON 6:31 PM EST
September 11, 2008 Thursday

CHARLES GIBSON (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Let me ask you about specific national security situations. Let’s start, because we are near Russia. Let’s start with Russia and Georgia. The administration has said, we’ve got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN (REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE)

First off, we’re going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain’s running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable. And we have to keep…

CHARLES GIBSON (ABC NEWS)

(Off-camera) You believe unprovoked?

GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN (REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE)

I do believe unprovoked. And we have got to keep our eyes on Russia. Under the leadership there.

CHARLES GIBSON (ABC NEWS)

(Off-camera) What insight into Russian actions particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of this state give you?

GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN (REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE)

They’re our next door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.

http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/09/12/transcript-sarah-palin-interview-with-charles-gibson-part-i/

Sidekick
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December 30, 2011 12:18 pm

I looked at your link and while her comment about seeing Russia from Alaska is awkward, she handled the rest of the interview reasonably well. Something that you undoubtedly did not intend to include was Gibson asking about conducting cross border incursions into Pakistan. Her response was typical political speak but the irony is that the current president has been doing just that in Pakistan as well as in all sorts of other places. Must make a hard lefty unhappy for BHO to go all rogue and NeoCon like.

Olivia
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December 30, 2011 1:00 pm

I looked at your link and while her comment about seeing Russia from Alaska is awkward, she handled the rest of the interview reasonably well. Something that you undoubtedly did not intend to include was Gibson asking about conducting cross border incursions into Pakistan. Her response was typical political speak but the irony is that the current president has been doing just that in Pakistan as well as in all sorts of other places. Must make a hard lefty unhappy for BHO to go all rogue and NeoCon like.
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Sort of belies those oh-so-trendy claims that he’s a “hard lefty” ultraliberal, doesn’t it?

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 1:51 pm

Kennedy and Johnson were both hard lefty ultra libs and they escalated the number of troops on the ground in the Viet Nam police action.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 30, 2011 2:01 pm

I pose this question to anyone who cares to answer: Name a war started by a classical liberal?

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 31, 2011 1:38 pm

And GWB is hardly a conservative much less a classical liberal.

drb
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drb
December 31, 2011 1:41 pm

progressive light, I’d say

Olivia
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December 30, 2011 5:48 pm

I pose this question to anyone who cares to answer: Name a war started by a classical liberal?
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I’ve got a better question: Name a trendy right wing buzzword that Sidekick hasn’t worn out on this board?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 1:01 pm

I’ve got a better question: Name a trendy right wing buzzword that Sidekick hasn’t worn out on this board?

I’ve got an even better question, name a foreign war that we were involved in in the history of the country that wasn’t started by a Democrat!
I can only come up with one, how about you?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 31, 2011 9:20 am

What’s wrong Olivia? Cat got yor tongue?

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 6:43 pm

“Nobody wants to play with you anymore, the KKK meeting is down the street, perhaps you should get there to get a good seat.”

Sheet!

Not so silent
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Not so silent
December 30, 2011 5:52 pm

Nobody wants to play with you anymore, the KKK meeting is down the street, perhaps you should get there to get a good seat.

drb
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drb
December 30, 2011 2:46 pm

none

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 30, 2011 1:43 pm

“Sort of belies those oh-so-trendy claims that he’s a “hard lefty” ultraliberal, doesn’t it?”

Hardly. Are you going to tell me that progressives don’t wage war or violate sovereignty? Based on 20th century history, that is exactly what progressives do.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 30, 2011 2:01 pm

“Sort of belies those oh-so-trendy claims that he’s a “hard lefty” ultraliberal, doesn’t it?”

Hardly. Are you going to tell me that progressives don’t wage war or violate sovereignty? Based on 20th century history, that is exactly what progressives do.
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Based on the last 10 years, it’s REgressives who have waged war, Kick. They’ve also supported unabashed “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” warmongers for the presidency, glorified the military, and expressed disdain for those who were never in it.

(This would be the time to trot out that oh-so-popular right wing deflection “But but but but but some Democrats went along with Bush on it, when they were fed faulty intelligence! Therefore, Bush is blameless and it’s all Obama’s fault, don’tchaknow?”)

By the way, how do YOU feel about Obama’s actions with regard to Pakistan? Seeing as how you brought it up here.

Sidekick
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December 30, 2011 2:21 pm

“Based on the last 10 years, it’s REgressives who have waged war, Kick. They’ve also supported unabashed “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” warmongers for the presidency, glorified the military, and expressed disdain for those who were never in it.”

I’m not sure who who you are referring to, Olivia.  Clinton began the bombing campaign in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Bush sought and received approval from the Congress and a resolution from the UN using the same intelligence that Clinton used to invade both countries.  Not sure who the “they” is who supported…since both sides have hawks.  Glorifying the military?  You mean supporting it, right ;)?  Many veterans have disdain for people who did not serve and either run the military down or misuse it as occurred in Libya, Yemen, and Uganda.    

“(This would be the time to trot out that oh-so-popular right wing deflection “But but but but but some Democrats went along with Bush on it, when they were fed faulty intelligence! Therefore, Bush is blameless and it’s all Obama’s fault, don’tchaknow?”)”

Well, I can see how you would phrase it like that but here in the real world, decisions like that are based on intelligence.  In the case of Iraq, that was intelligence shared between many countries and the UN Security Council.  Everyone was working off the same data.  Clinton’s CIA Director, George Tenet, was kept on board by Bush and he called the intelligence a slam dunk.  So, I’d blame the lack of HUMINT in the Middle East for the intelligence that was used.  That lack of human inttelligence would be a Carter era policy of forbidding field agents to deal with “unsavory characters”.  Finally, the jury is still out on WMDs.  I mentioned Georges Sada on a different post.  

“By the way, how do YOU feel about Obama’s actions with regard to Pakistan? Seeing as how you brought it up here.”

Honestly, I’m conflicted.  The eastern parts of Pakistan are lawless, rural, tribal, and remote but still sovereign territory.  The Pakistanis have been unreliable allies and elements within that government had to have been aware of bin Laden’s whereabouts.  I’m glad the call was made to take him out and the drone strikes have been effective in wiping out al Qaeda’s leadership and middle management.  Still, it is troubling that the US military is violating the border.  As troubling as the rest of unauthorized BHO adventures.  A patina of legitimacy from Congress would help.   

sa_rose
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December 31, 2011 9:19 am

The fact remains that the war mongers have never been supported by the larger conservative community and certainly not to bomb Iran. Once again you are talking through your ass. As far as requirement for military service, no, it isn’t in the constitution because there was no standing army-every singel citizen was part of the militia, so every single candidate for President would have had experience by definition. And besides, war to day is not nearly as clear cut as then-there the enemy was clear. Today, not so much. And as for those non-medical CEO’s-I don’;t think they do a very good job of runnig those hospitals BECAUSE they have no knowledge or experience actually working with patinets and families in a hospital setting. They are all about the business end, and nothing for the patients. That is how we have ended up with nurses caring for 8 patients for 12 hour shifts. It is how we have record numbers of errors in caring for those patients, and lawsuits for medical malpractive abound. Not exactly a great example!

Olivia
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Olivia
December 30, 2011 5:00 pm

We have been allies of Iran for most of the 20th century. Onlyu when the local Mulim religious nuts ran the Shah out of twon did we begin to have issues with Iran. And still no one has bombed Iran. Where idi you get the information that all our candidates for the Presidencey were in favor of bombing Iran? And no “because I read it in a left wing blog site.” Real proof.
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I didn’t say they were. But these Republicans (and this candidate) certainly seemed to favor the idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
And so did his running mate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G8RrZlwEQE&feature=related
And here’s what the current crop of chickenhawk heroes have to say on that issue, as described by this retired brigadier general:
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/before-we-bomb-iran-lets-have-a-serious-conversation/
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Now,however, we are getting Presidential candidates (and actual Presidents) with no experience of the military, yet being in the position of Commander in Chief. Thats a lack of experience that cannot be created out of thin air.
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Well, gosh, Rose, the CEOs at the hospitals I’ve worked at are neither nurses nor doctors, yet they’re capable of running the hospital anyway.

Being president of the United States isn’t a military position. It’s a civilian executive position. Did you never notice that the Constitution says nothing about presidential candidates being required to have military experience? That’s what military advisers are for.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 30, 2011 4:38 pm

“Based on the last 10 years, it’s REgressives who have waged war, Kick. They’ve also supported unabashed “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” warmongers for the presidency, glorified the military, and expressed disdain for those who were never in it.”

We have been allies of Iran for most of the 20th century. Onlyu when the local Mulim religious nuts ran the Shah out of twon did we begin to have issues with Iran. And still no one has bombed Iran. Where idi you get the information that all our candidates for the Presidencey were in favor of bombing Iran? And no “because I read it in a left wing blog site.” Real proof.
Anyone who has not served in the military cannot begin to understand what those men and women experience, both good and bad. Up until the early 70’s, that wasn’t much of an issue, since most were drafted and served at least for a few years. Now,however, we are getting Presidential candidates (and actual Presidents) with no experience of the military, yet being in the position of Commander in Chief. Thats a lack of experience that cannot be created out of thin air.

andre
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andre
December 30, 2011 11:27 am

Actually, reality follows her knowledge. First you decide how things are. As a result of that decision, it become that way.

It goes like this: being governor of Alaska gives you no foreign policy expertise whatsoever. Whereas after being governor of Arkansas, you’re totally qualified. You just decide that’s how it is, and voila! There it is!

Olivia
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Olivia
December 30, 2011 7:00 pm

Actually, reality follows her knowledge. First you decide how things are. As a result of that decision, it become that way.

It goes like this: being governor of Alaska gives you no foreign policy expertise whatsoever. Whereas after being governor of Arkansas, you’re totally qualified. You just decide that’s how it is, and voila! There it is!
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Nice try, but Clinton was more intelligent, more traveled, and much better educated than Miss Wasilla. I seriously doubt he would have been duped by that Canadian radio announcer, as she was—-especially when the announcer dropped a dozen or more hints that the call was a spoof. 😉

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 12:48 pm

Nice try, but Clinton was more intelligent, more traveled, and much better educated than Miss Wasilla.

So now traveling qualifies you to be President? And you wonder why we call you stupid!

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 8:19 pm

Nice try, but Clinton was more intelligent, more traveled, and much better educated than Miss Wasilla.
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So now traveling qualifies you to be President? And you wonder why we call you stupid!
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It can certainly broaden one’s perception. And it’s very telling that you don’t seem to grasp that concept.

If Miss Wasilla had ever strayed outside her own comfort zone, perhaps she wouldn’t have botched that prank call from the Canadian radio host so badly. And perhaps she’d have learned to be more tactful, less shrill and less ethnocentric in her behavior.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 12:35 am

Man, you are OBSESSED with that phone call! You have made at least three references to it in this thread alone. Is that ALL you know about Srah? Cause belive me, she screwed up better than that!

Olivia
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Olivia
January 1, 2012 6:52 am

Man, you are OBSESSED with that phone call! You have made at least three references to it in this thread alone. Is that ALL you know about Srah? Cause belive me, she screwed up better than that!
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She screwed up in many ways, but this was a truly comical indication that she wasn’t ready for prime time.

Most of her other screw-ups weren’t really funny—-just disturbing.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
January 1, 2012 8:47 am

Most of her other screw-ups weren’t really funny—-just disturbing.

Speaking of disturbing, maybe you should have your shrink look at your posts on this website, it might give him/her insight as to what course of treatment you need to be upgraded to.

RobertW
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January 1, 2012 8:02 am

dbl turds

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 8:45 pm

“If Miss Wasilla had ever strayed outside her own comfort zone, perhaps she wouldn’t have botched that prank call from the Canadian radio host so badly. And perhaps she’d have learned to be more tactful, less shrill and less ethnocentric in her behavior.”

translation:

if palin had merely drunk the kool-aid and joined the collective, i would have voted for her because i’m a frustrated liberal steinemite lesbian baby-hater who cannot get over the fact that female chauvinism is as disgusting to most true Americans (people decidedly more relevant than i myself am) as male chauvanism.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
January 1, 2012 12:02 pm

Robert thanks for the above post. You are one hell of a guy! And your right about the laws..so much BS but it comes from Liberal politicians who feel the need to treat adults like children. For Example, In Kalifornia they make owning guns tough as hell. Where I grew up, you use to see rifles int he back window of a pickup, nobody cared, ranchers and farmers used them on varmints…Try that here and you would get pulled over in a heartbeat..Why? Cause guns scare liberals. If you got a legal gun, who cares, protect yourself cause there is not enough of me to go around anymore. That’s just one example of of liberals screwing with our rights.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your prayers…Sometimes when the stuff hits the fan, it’s only you and God against the bad guys…:)

Sidekick
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Sidekick
January 1, 2012 5:55 pm

Olivia: More likely, the intent of such laws is to prevent idiots with Wyatt Earp fantasies from accidentally shooting themselves (or someone else) in the foot.

I am sure that was the *stated* intent but the more likely intent was to incrementally erode gun rights. Thirty years ago when I was in college in rural Tennessee, it seemed like every pickup had a gun rack and students were allowed to drive with a full gun rack on campus. Guess how many people were accidentally shot? None. Guess what is no longer permitted? Gun racks.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
January 1, 2012 5:12 pm

@notsosilent
I appreciate your honesty and candor about the limitations imposed on you by the pols. I don’t know any LEOs personally in Tampa but they must share your frustrations. I’m armed but should practice more and I do recognize that if things break down for whatever reason (here a big hurricane is a real possibility) there is a good chance I will have to
defend myself, my family, and my property. I wish more of my friends and family understood this.
Anyway, you’ve shared some pretty thoughtful stuff on this board and I appreciate your insights.

Olivia
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Olivia
January 1, 2012 5:08 pm

Where I grew up, you use to see rifles int he back window of a pickup, nobody cared, ranchers and farmers used them on varmints…Try that here and you would get pulled over in a heartbeat..Why? Cause guns scare liberals.
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Nonsense. Almost every male in my extended family (most of whom are liberals except for one deadbeat, who by the way disapproves of guns) owns guns and knows how to use them. Not all liberals fear guns, and not all conservatives love them.

More likely, the intent of such laws is to prevent idiots with Wyatt Earp fantasies from accidentally shooting themselves (or someone else) in the foot. 😉

Not so silent
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Not so silent
January 1, 2012 5:01 pm

Guy thanks for the nice comments!!! there was no spot to reply to your post directly. I know it is tough being in L.E. Anywhere right now. And it is going to get even tougher given the entitlement mentality of D.C. and Places like Sacramento. These idiot politicians pass laws without any thought process at all, and then we end up dealing with it while the politicos are out telling people what a great job they did while sticking their hand out for more money. One thing that always made me pull out my hair was the straight ticket support of law enforcement leaders in Kalifornia. And when the money dries up, who gets cut first? L.E. Democrats don’t have any ethics or loyality to anyone but themselves. All these stupid endorsements came back to bite all these guys in the butt now that they have to lay off officers and cut budgets. I urge people, not the arrested ones :), to get a gun and learn how to use it. There may be a time soon when it could save your life since D.C. thinks all criminals need is a group hug and a lollipop to make it all better. Be careful my friend, ours is a dangerous business..Not nearly as dangerous as the military, but still dangerous.

guysmiley
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guysmiley
January 1, 2012 3:03 pm

First off, let me say thank you for your serviced to our LE community, Notsosilent–be safe. I work closely w/Probation and LEO (Sheriffs) as we maintain Juvenile Detention, Probation, and Sheriffs facilities around the county I live in. They say pretty much what you said above. We’ve had deep staffing cuts, we can only respond to violent crimes, get yourself a weapon and learn how to use it properly. I take professional firearms training (at least two 4 day courses/ yr) in NV so I’m well trained in weapons handling and safety. I practice frequentely, both live and dry to keep my skills up. Unfortunately, not enough legal gun owners take this level of training. “When seconds count, LEO are minutes away” has sadly become true in many areas of our state because of poor fiscal management by our illustrious Lib leaders in Sacto. Too much $ spent on illegals and entitlements to keep our first responders staffed at proper levels.

RobertW
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January 1, 2012 1:08 pm

🙂

Olivia
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Olivia
January 1, 2012 6:56 am

translation:

if palin had merely drunk the kool-aid and joined the collective, i would have voted for her because i’m a frustrated liberal steinemite lesbian baby-hater who cannot get over the fact that female chauvinism is as disgusting to most true Americans (people decidedly more relevant than i myself am) as male chauvanism.

translation:

if palin had merely drunk the kool-aid and joined the collective, i would have voted for her because i’m a frustrated liberal steinemite lesbian baby-hater who cannot get over the fact that female chauvinism is as disgusting to most true Americans (people decidedly more relevant than i myself am) as male chauvanism.
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Translation: “If I string together a lot of trendy right wing buzzwords and loony insults, and throw them all at you, will it make me sound politically savvy?”

The answer is no, Robert, it won’t. It just makes you sound silly and hostile. Not to mention that the point of my post seems to have sailed right over your head.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
January 1, 2012 8:50 am

Translation to ^^^^^^:

I’m too stoned or stupid to get any of what is being told to me, so I’ll just copy and paste a bunch of gibberish from my favorite lefty blogs, present it as fact, and claim victory. Who knows, it might actually work some time.

LA Sunset
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December 31, 2011 6:43 am

//Nice try, but Clinton was more intelligent, more traveled, and much better educated than Miss Wasilla.//

BS. You only say that because his ideology matches yours….which has absolutely no bearing on the weak conclusion you are trying to draw.

He was the governor of a small southern state, of which you liberals think the populace is ignorant way beyond repair. So the only thing you have to base your assumption on is, he was Rhodes Scholar who eventually went back to Arkansas to practice law….. and eventually was smart enough dupe the electorate enough to get elected governor.

If he was as smart you think he is, he would have used his education to compete against other like minds in a more elitist setting like NY or CA. If this had been the case, he would have failed because people with the same mindset as you would have labeled him a country bumpkin wannabe from an undignified part of the country. He never would have been elected dog catcher, much less governor, in any of those kinds of areas. Therefore, he never would have had the opportunity to be along at the right time, to be elected President. (And…the only reason he did it when he did was, Ross Perot playing the role of spoiler.)

So worship the serial sex addict all you want, your weak reasoning is overtly apparent in your skewed commentary, as it usually is. I will give you one thing though, I would take the country bumpkin made elitist by timing and opportunity, way over and above the greenhorn community organizer (who never ran anything except for agitating organizations located on the south side of Chicago). At least Bubba ran something of a little bit of value, had to meet a budget and a payroll without printing more money to cover losses that were created by his own malfeasance.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 10:34 am

He was the governor of a small southern state, of which you liberals think the populace is ignorant way beyond repair. So the only thing you have to base your assumption on is, he was Rhodes Scholar who eventually went back to Arkansas to practice law….. and eventually was smart enough dupe the electorate enough to get elected governor.

If he was as smart you think he is, he would have used his education to compete against other like minds in a more elitist setting like NY or CA…..
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You’re not qualified to speak for us liberals, or to tell us what we think of Arkansas, Sunset. But, with your above sneering remark, you’ve just made it obvious what YOU think of it. Do you really believe that there were no “like minds” in the entire state of Arkansas? Talk about “elitist” stereotypes……. 😉

(I always get a chuckle when you dittoheads trot out the word “elitist.” It sounds downright Marxist to go around accusing others of “elitism”….but you never seem to realize it……) 😉
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So worship the serial sex addict all you want
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Huh? I don’t “worship” Clinton. If you want to be taken seriously here, I’d suggest that you can the hyperbole and stick with the truth. I think he was a very good and effective president, but he’s hardly on a level with Jesus. 😉

As for your “serial sex addict” label: better not be throwing stones when you’re living in such a fragile Republican glass house. There are plenty of philanderers in your own party, one of whom was screwing around on his ailing second wife (who had been his mistress up until he dumped his ailing first wife), while preaching sermons to Clinton about fidelity and “family values.”

And yet I’ve never seen you criticize Newt for that. Or McCain or St. Ronnie Reagan, both of whom were cheating on their first wives before marrying their second ones.
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I would take the country bumpkin made elitist by timing and opportunity, way over and above the greenhorn community organizer (who never ran anything except for agitating organizations located on the south side of Chicago).
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Whenever I see one of you righties refer to Obama as a “community organizer,” I know I’m reading the words of a mindless parrot. In fact, Obama worked as a community organizer between undergraduate school and law school. After graduating (magna cum laude) from Harvard Law School, he worked as an attorney for one of the largest law firms in the country, taught constitutional law at a top tier university, and served as an Illinois state senator and in the U.S. Senate.

And, no, he was never a CEO. But the United States of America is not a business (even though some brainwashed righties tend to see everything in terms of business and profit). The last administration was run by two businessmen, and they ran our economy into a ditch, while providing no-bid contracts to favorite business cronies and (presumably) enhancing their own stock portfolios. So let’s can the silly notion that presidents have to have “run” companies in order to serve effectively.

The “country bumpkin” remark was about as ridiculous as most of your other claims here. Obama spent most of his life in Hawaii and Chicago, as well as four years overseas in Indonesia, and went to school in New York and Cambridge, Mass.—-which hardly suggests an ignorant hayseed. It’s actually Miss Wasilla who’s tried so often to make political hay out of loving the countryside….and who tried to claim she’d visited Ireland, when what she’d actually done was spend 30 minutes inside a plane on the tarmac. 😉

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 8:15 pm

Thanks Robert. Debating Olivia is comparable to shooting fish in a barrel. I got bored and thought I’d shoot a few tonight. But alas, I am beginning to yawn at her discourse.
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Translation: “She cleaned my clock AGAIN, and I’m getting tired of it.”
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It’s illogical and based solely on the premise that her way of thinking is 100% totally correct and anyone who disagrees with her is totally wrong. In the world of psychiatry it’s called splitting and is diagnostic criteria for some psychiatric disorders.
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No, splitting is not “diagnostic criteria for some psychiatric disorders.” It’s merely a type of behavior that can be seen on this board (and not necessarily from me), as well as on mental health units.

Now that we’ve got that straight, suppose YOU tell me what percent correct you think YOUR posts are. Seeing as how you think there’s something unhealthy about believing 100% of what you post as the truth….. 😉

Olivia
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Olivia
January 1, 2012 7:13 am

/Wrong. You’re in no way qualified to tell others how we feel and what we perceive. As usual, you’re just parroting right wing propaganda about us, which is grossly inaccurate most of the time.//

You have just lumped yourself into a very large monolithic group. You have just admitted you partake in groupthink. I already knew this, but you have now provided evidence that can be used to make the case. Good job.
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Wrong. I challenged you on your attempt to speak for liberals, that’s all. Nowhere did I state or imply that we all think alike. We do share certain values and priorities, but most of us aren’t inclined to march in lockstep. The evidence of that? I’m posting here on a decidedly right wing board, rather than on a liberal board, where I’m sure there would be more posters agreeing with me. Quite simply, I’m not afraid of conflict or unpopularity. Can you say the same? You, who regularly vote thumbs-up or thumbs-down on posts, and assume it makes a difference to me if you accidentally post thumbs-up on mine? 😀

Your tedious rumbling about Alinsky is, to put it mildly, pure crap. That, too, is a trendy talking point popularized by (who else?) Rush Limbaugh. As usual, he was trying hard to demonize an all-too-successful and popular presidential candidate—-and, as usual, you just couldn’t wait to parrot his ramblings at every opportunity.

I have to laugh at you righties, desperately trying to depict Obama as some far out ultraleftist, when in fact he’s a centrist on most issues. (Too much of a centrist, in my opinion.) But, hey, Rush said he’s a radical Alinsky disciple, so it must be true, right? After all, why would a right wing propagandist and prescription drug addict EVER tell a lie? 😀

//You call him a “community organizer” because you were fed that term by your favorite propaganda source, not because community organizing was his main career before he became president.//

There are many terms that have been coined in my many years of life, etc., etc., etc., etc……
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Oh, please, Robert—-can the rambling homilies. I didn’t ask for you to repeat a Wikipedia treatise on community organizers—I merely pointed out that it’s dishonest of you to pretend that community organizing was his life career, when in fact it was merely an interim job before he started law school.

But I realize why you can’t help spewing all these lies and distortions. If you had to tell the truth about Obama, you wouldn’t be able to bitch about him nonstop, and then what would you do to fill your empty days? 😛

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 2, 2012 6:31 pm

Nah, Robert-they’re brown., Cause she is so full of it, ya know?

RobertW
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January 2, 2012 5:16 pm

her eyes must be grey poppaj.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
January 2, 2012 6:44 am

That’s pretty funny Rose, she accuses us of being concrete thinkers, and then there she goes spitting out concrete blocks!
Could it be because that’s what her head is filled with?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 8:47 pm

And you missed it again. We are not saying being a janitor or housekeeper is degrading. We refer to the fact that despite your cliams of being a nurse, you don’t appear to have the brains, knowledge or training to back it up. And YOU kept referring to clock cleaning, so they are )figuratively) trying to identify the clock. Man you are a very concrete thinker. Sort of like a 4 year old.

Olivia
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Olivia
January 1, 2012 4:57 pm

Poppa, it’s on the wall in the hospital cafeteria. That’s probably where she works.
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I don’t work in a cafeteria, but what if I did? Do you regard that sort of work as degrading or something?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
January 1, 2012 9:02 am

I think we need to make a concerted effort to find out who her shrink is and present her posts here to him/her. It’s obvious that Oblivious is not only delusional, but also angry and possibly a danger to herself and those around her.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 8:59 am

Robert is totally innocent in this. The comment you are TRYING to repond to is from LA Sunset. Truly, if you are too stupid to follow a simple comment thread, you are clearly too stupid for anyone to take anything you say as remotely resembling reality.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 8:49 pm

Translation: “She cleaned my clock AGAIN, and I’m getting tired of it.”

Translation: “If I were any more stupid and delusional, the hospital I work in would have me committed!”

LA Sunset
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January 1, 2012 3:26 pm

Poppa, it’s on the wall in the hospital cafeteria. That’s probably where she works.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
January 1, 2012 8:44 am

On the wall in the nurses station.
At least she’s being a good janitor and keeping things neat and clean.

drb
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drb
January 1, 2012 6:09 am

Where is this clock she keeps cleaning?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 12:33 am

Nah, Robert, she doesn’t work in an abortion clinic. She has previously made statements that prove her utter ignorance of abortionists, abortion clinics,m and many of the women who use those clinics. She is talking out her ass as usual.

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 9:52 pm

poppajoe, i offer an alternate theory considering specific and not most but for sure recent statements.

I considered asking her what hospital she worked in so that i could be sure that if i was ever in that area I would be taken to a free-clinic (if i had to rely ‘pon others to get me to pro med attn.) And if SHE was a free clinic person i’d dress my wounds my own self.

THAT being said. it seems to me that she is perhaps one of them medically clad ppls in the modern U.S. murder mills. Abortion clinics that Joe would have been so proud to have seen come to fruition from his experiments in the ultimate search for elite human beings.
NOW i think i understand more fully Notsosilent’s posts regarding Olivia’s statements.

BTW NOTSO!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you are safe and guarded from attack in the realms above.
I believe in evil and good. I believe that there are spiritual and natural exponents of each.
I believe that you are Blessed for you service to we? us… idk, US citizens, visitors, well heck everyone within your bailiwick. I will include you to night, in my prayers to the God I try to serve, that YOU will not be injured in body, mind, or Spirit, as you and your brothers stand guard in the corridors of peace, to prevent destruction.

for whatever it’s worth, i approached my God in humble mein and remembered you’re not alone out there. I prayed for you and your brother cops, be they male or female, that the laws would become fewer, yet more explicit and definite, so y’all don’t have to waste your valuable time on minor infractions.
Not that I want the police to become nationalized, but I think, i may be wrong, that you and I can agree that there are laws on the books that should be stricken for the greater good of this nation.

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 8:37 pm

“Now that we’ve got that straight, suppose YOU tell me what percent correct you think YOUR posts are. Seeing as how you think there’s something unhealthy about believing 100% of what you post as the truth….. ;)”

Olivia. I accidentally up-thumbed you, please do not that one as indicative of my thoughts about you or your posts.

as far as the quote i’ve c&p’d above… that’s quite likely the most astute and logical, *by this i mean ONLY> statemints ewev ever maid.

that bean sed, and cauling into uhkownt your aknawlujmint of sum tip ov ethix theeoloje et que cera…. du u buhlev n n e thang uh buv hyuminz?

LA Sunset
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December 31, 2011 6:51 pm

//You’re not qualified to speak for us liberals, or to tell us what we think of Arkansas, Sunset.//

I am just as qualified as you or anyone else to talk about liberals or anything else I want to. I probably know more than you do, most of them on a first name basis.

I read liberal columns, liberal blogs, and liberal commentary probably more than I do conservative ones. This is why I can find all of the holes in your weak arguments, with one eye closed.

//Whenever I see one of you righties refer to Obama as a “community organizer,” I know I’m reading the words of a mindless parrot.//

Whenever I read someone calling someone else a mindless parrot, it means they have no evidence to refute the statement they cannot refute. I say this because it is a fact that he was. You have nothing to prove he wasn’t. He has even admitted it in his writings and his speeches.

//The “country bumpkin” remark was about as ridiculous as most of your other claims here. Obama spent most of his life in Hawaii and Chicago, as well as four years overseas in Indonesia, and went to school in New York and Cambridge, //

That’s nice. But if you could read with some level of abstract comprehension, you’d know that was Clinton I was talking about.

See? That’s the danger of being an arrogant snert without a good reason to be one. If you had a minimal amount of functional knowledge about the world, you’d see that.

I now remember why I rarely comment on your mindless BS. You aren’t very a challenging debater and frankly, you bore me with your obtuseness.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
January 1, 2012 11:55 am

Hey Sunset, just what are the qualifications to speak for liberals? From what I have been seeing these are some:

Babbling
drooling
Ranting
Raving
Twisting
Lying
Evading
Card playing (Race/Victim/Poor)
Devoting oneself to a hopeless cause
Speaking without thinking
Insulting
Degrading
Unable to comprehend Engrish..:)
Dumb as a doorknob
Confused
Mentally Ill
Self Important
and the ability to crap in the street on command

You know after thinking about it sunset, only Olivia meets the qualifications of speaking for a liberal..You have none of those..:)

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 8:35 pm

//You’re not qualified to speak for us liberals, or to tell us what we think of Arkansas, Sunset.//

I am just as qualified as you or anyone else to talk about liberals or anything else I want to. I probably know more than you do, most of them on a first name basis.
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Wrong. You’re in no way qualified to tell others how we feel and what we perceive. As usual, you’re just parroting right wing propaganda about us, which is grossly inaccurate most of the time.
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I read liberal columns, liberal blogs, and liberal commentary probably more than I do conservative ones.
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THen there’s no excuse for your perceptions being so wide of the mark. Cut the BS, Sunset. You don’t know any more about liberals’ perception than any other far righter who’s been fed a steady diet of antilberal propaganda.
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//Whenever I see one of you righties refer to Obama as a “community organizer,” I know I’m reading the words of a mindless parrot.//

Whenever I read someone calling someone else a mindless parrot, it means they have no evidence to refute the statement they cannot refute.
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But I did refute your parrotings. You call him a “community organizer” because you were fed that term by your favorite propaganda source, not because community organizing was his main career before he became president. As I pointed out to you, it was merely a stepping stone for him before he entered law school. You didn’t even know what the term meant…but you parroted it anyway, most likely because it sounded contemptible to you.
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I say this because it is a fact that he was. You have nothing to prove he wasn’t. He has even admitted it in his writings and his speeches.
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But that wasn’t his career before he became president, and you implied that it was. Don’t try to pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining, Sunset. I can spot BS a mile away—-and you’re BSing up a storm right now, trying to cover for yourself.
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//The “country bumpkin” remark was about as ridiculous as most of your other claims here. Obama spent most of his life in Hawaii and Chicago, as well as four years overseas in Indonesia, and went to school in New York and Cambridge, //
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That’s nice. But if you could read with some level of abstract comprehension, you’d know that was Clinton I was talking about.
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Clinton went to a top tier university in Washington DC. and graduated with a JD from Yale. As a Rhodes scholar (do you even know what that means?) he also studied at Oxford. Yes, he came from rural Arkansas, but he, like Obama, was no provincial hayseed when he arrived at the White House.
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See? That’s the danger of being an arrogant snert without a good reason to be one. If you had a minimal amount of functional knowledge about the world, you’d see that.
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Sorry, Sunset, but I just debunked yet another of your inaccuracies. I can understand why you’re so full of bravado (among other things), but the fact remains that you know very little about either man—-either that, or you’re just slinging mud around, and hoping some of it might stick.

(It didn’t.)
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I now remember why I rarely comment on your mindless BS.
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I’m sure you do. 😉
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You aren’t very a challenging debater and frankly, you bore me with your obtuseness.
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Translation: “I’m getting out of here while the getting is good. This poster isn’t letting me get away with the usual fact challenged BS, and it’s making me uncomfortable.”

I’m off to work now. I announce that so you and your buddies like Sidekick and Poopajoe, who don’t seem to have anything on their schedules other than camping out on this board, start complaining that I’m “running away” or ignoring them.

Happy new year to you all, and may the Democrats prevail in November of 2012!

LA Sunset
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January 1, 2012 3:22 pm

//Sorry, Sunset, but I just debunked yet another of your inaccuracies.//

Only in your warped world of fantasy.

LA Sunset
Member
January 1, 2012 6:28 am

/Wrong. You’re in no way qualified to tell others how we feel and what we perceive. As usual, you’re just parroting right wing propaganda about us, which is grossly inaccurate most of the time.//

You have just lumped yourself into a very large monolithic group. You have just admitted you partake in groupthink. I already knew this, but you have now provided evidence that can be used to make the case. Good job.

//You call him a “community organizer” because you were fed that term by your favorite propaganda source, not because community organizing was his main career before he became president.//

There are many terms that have been coined in my many years of life. Certainly many catch phrases were created by political groups to project labels. Some were created to describe actions or those who were involved in actions that were already taking place and there was no real name for it.

This one isn’t one of them.

Community organizers have existed since the late 1800s in this country, when immigrants came and settled in communities within communities (i.e the Irish, Italians, etc). They usually formed out of a true bonafide need to advance causes in a community where some serious problems existed, problems that needed fixing but were likely being overlooked by those in power.

As the years have progressed, many community organizers have have evolved their roles into one of agitation and used it to gain more power through intimidation. The southside of Chicago has been known for this kind of agitation for many years. Saul Alinsky coined the term there before you were born. I know this because I do have many ties to Chicago. I know the city.

So, it’s a nice try at your scripted answer to the facts I presented. You can now feel smarter knowing that he term did not just appear when Obama ran for President. But, he WAS the first community organizer to be elected and we was one of the products of the Alinsky term and a very staunch adherent to his principles.

I can’t get too frazzled about your lack of knowledge on this subject. I understand you have been cheated out of a quality education and might have even paid for some of it. I guess no one ever taught you this in school, or you didn’t learn. So, consider this your first lesson in 2012. But I do recommend that if you did pay for any of this, you should try to get your money back.

Happy New Year Olivia, I must now begin to think about how I am going to spend the day with my grandson and I cannot waste any more time with your nonsense. I do have a decent quality of life and am not ashamed of it.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 12:31 am

We are certainly in just as good a position to speak for you liberals as you are to speak to us conservatives and middle of the roaders, which you do regularly. So stuff it.

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 6:59 pm

Sunset, as far as I’m concerned you rank among the best of the clock cleaners here on ihtm. I hope you have 366 days of personal prosperity AND happiness (not necessarily in that order) in 2012.

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 7:40 pm

Oshman! I mean

Awesome!!!!!!!! just partaking of some God-given seed-bearing herb of the fields… 🙂

on this post, not the previous ones tonight.

not every leaping node is stupid, but many stupid ppl are unfortunately, leaping nodes. worse yet snowflake sinuses out “class” us, if not out income us.

SEE? I do make sense, but it’s a special type of language. One might say, “Ya, hadda be there.” But one would be wrong, imo.

And then there’s the whole correlation of Thom Laughlin, and his teachings to 60’s kids about drug use/abuse in the movie Billy Jack.

That’s for a whole new topic.

OH before I forget, and let me be the first to say: Happy Presidents’ Day To You.

LA Sunset
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December 31, 2011 7:12 pm

Thank you Robert. I wish you more of the same.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 10:10 am

//Nice try, but Clinton was more intelligent, more traveled, and much better educated than Miss Wasilla.//

BS. You only say that because his ideology matches yours….which has absolutely no bearing on the weak conclusion you are trying to draw.
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No, I say that because he was a Rhodes scholar, who attended and graduated from a top tier law school. Anyone who can achieve that is no slouch in the brains department. He’s also very knowledgeable about foreign policy, and can hold his own in any group conversation.

In contrast, we have Miss Wasilla, who changed schools five times before finally getting a mediocre bachelor’s degree from a mediocre university. Respectable enough, perhaps, for an ordinary citizen with a not-very-intellectual job, but woefully inadequate for someone who’d hoped to be one (aging and none too reliable) heartbeat away from the presidency.

As I’ve pointed out numerous times (which apparently no one has the guts to respond to), her pathetically incompetent response to the fake Sarkozy call, and her poor responses to Katie Couric’s softball interview back in 2008, showed just how unprepared she was for the job she wanted so badly. As did the fact that she couldn’t even manage to complete one term in office as Alaska’s governor.

I know you righties tend to set the bar VERY low for your heroes who want to be president, but Miss Wasilla is no intellectual, and, what’s more, she lacks the self-discipline to make up for it through extra study. She can’t even complete the tasks she sets for herself. And you’re trying to suggest that she’s smarter, better educated and more competent that Clinton?

If I weren’t laughing so hard at the very idea, I’d be annoyed at your ignorance. 😉

LA Sunset
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December 31, 2011 6:33 pm

//No, I say that because he was a Rhodes scholar, who attended and graduated from a top tier law school. Anyone who can achieve that is no slouch in the brains department. //

Brains? We’ll assume you mean intelligence because everyone has a brain.

As always, left wingers like to equate the amount of time spent in school learning mostly useless theory, with some measure of intelligence. People with any level of experiential knowledge can certainly understand the folly of such thinking.

Knowledge without justice and sound judgment is useless. Memorizing facts that educated idiots cram into someone’s head cannot take the place of wisdom and understanding. Anyone with minimal intelligence can cram facts, principles, and theories into their heads and regurgitate them for a test, paper, or project. But how a person performs in the real world has little bearing on their education level or the type of school they graduated from

A law degree is useless if a person uses it to skirt the law. Any degree that cannot produce a well-rounded individual or one who can make a viable contribution to society by making a portion of this world a better place, is a useless degree.

Can something be built with a law degree? Can a law degree make someone healthier or contribute to curing a disease or a serious health condition?

So worship your demigods, if you wish. They are fallible and useless in my world. In my world, someone who can function without sexually harassing women is preferred over a Rhodes Scholar. Someone who can write a text book on electrophysiology is preferred over a Rhodes Scholar, who can offer opinions on world events at dinner party.

//If I weren’t laughing so hard at the very idea, I’d be annoyed at your ignorance.//

I don’t care if you get annoyed or not. Have at it, if it makes you feel important. But I do laugh at your folly, because your assumptions are based on YOUR own ignorance. I say this because you have NO idea what I do or what contribution I have made to my little portion of the world. So laugh away, it matters not to me. Laugh until you cry, if it helps.

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 6:42 pm

VERY well said Sunset! I concur.

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 8:29 pm

idk about diagnostic techniques but you sound like you know what you’re talking about.

how would you diagnose a person apparently so intent on personal rights, they overlook basic human rights?

and this is leading i know. imo humanness begins at conception.

you can either wait for an objection from the left side of the aisle or go ahead and speak on out about it as far as us peanuts up in the gallery’re concerned. 😀

LA Sunset
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December 31, 2011 7:18 pm

Thanks Robert. Debating Olivia is comparable to shooting fish in a barrel. I got bored and thought I’d shoot a few tonight. But alas, I am beginning to yawn at her discourse. It’s illogical and based solely on the premise that her way of thinking is 100% totally correct and anyone who disagrees with her is totally wrong. In the world of psychiatry it’s called splitting and is diagnostic criteria for some psychiatric disorders.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 31, 2011 10:22 am

I don’t like Sarah Palin. I think she is an ignorant boob. That doesn’t change the fact that Clinton acted like trailer trash and did it in the sanctity of the Oval office. Quit trying to change the subject.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 31, 2011 10:16 am

“I know you righties tend to set the bar VERY low for your heroes who want to be president….”

That is a very funny comment given the Democrats who have sat in the Oval Office over that past 50 years. Particularly the fraud who sits today.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 10:42 am

It has been repeatedly documented that conservatives give more in goods, time and money to charity than those who identify themselves as liberal.
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Wrong. What has been documented is that conservatives have REPORTED larger charitable donations on their IRS returns. Not everyone reports charitable donations. I don’t, because I believe charity should be given for its own sake, not for the sake of a tax write-off.

Let’s not forget, too, that “charitable donations” includes allocations for tithing, which is required by some churches. That money can be (and often is) used for many things other than helping the poor: paving a megachurch parking lot, for example, or reupholstering the stadium seating in the auditorium, or paying for a new sound system or a minister’s salary.

Again, I’m skeptical about ANYONE (conservative or otherwise) who claims to give large amounts of money to private charities for the poor, but who also regularly blames the poor for their own poverty. As I’ve stated time and again, when what a person does is widely at variance with what s/he CLAIMS to do or feel, believe the actions rather than the words. Critical thinking 101.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 12:26 am

Lame, Olivia. They have looked at more than tax returns when they did the studies. And tithing is not “required” at any church except maybe the Mormons and an occasional Roman Catholic church. Tithhing is recommended, as shown in the Bible, but NOT required. No one here blames the poor for their poverty. We blame lazy assed assholes who choose to take welfare rather than make any attempt at getting a job, training or volunteer experience for a job, or anything else self supporting. And THAT is Biblical as well. Paul said even as a missionary preacher, he still supported himself as a tentmaker, and that those who could work, should work if they wanted to eat. You don’t know any of us, certainly, and I doubt you know many conservatives period, so you are not in a position to analyze if what they do and what they say are consistent.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 12:53 pm

What has been documented is that conservatives have REPORTED larger charitable donations on their IRS returns.

WRONG DUMBASS! What has been documented was a TV expose where donations to the Salvation Army were tracked by location. Wal-Mart in a low income area and an upscale store in San Francisco. Wal-Mart outshined SF bu a tidy sum, but you refuse to acknowlege that one, even though I have mentioned it here several times!

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 30, 2011 7:22 pm

He wasn’t smart enough to not fuck the intern though was he? Clinton is trailer trash and he still acts like it.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 1:59 pm

Clinton is trailer trash and he still acts like it.

Clinton is so trailer trash, he makes the cast of Hee Haw look sophisticated!

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 9:56 am

He wasn’t smart enough to not f**k the intern though was he? Clinton is trailer trash and he still acts like it.\
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That was stupid of him, no doubt about it. But it’s not only “trailer trash” men who have trouble keeping their zippers zipped.

Seems to me that many posters here were singing the praises of Cain just a few months ago—until all the allegations about that 13-year affair, and sexual harassment (which is worse than having an affair) came to light. Do you regard Cain as “trailer trash,” too? How about serial adulterer Newt? Or John McCain, who was screwing around with Cindy while his aging and disabled wife sat home alone waiting for him?

Or do you hold Clinton to a higher standard than your own political heroes?

RobertW
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December 31, 2011 3:14 pm

“But it’s not only “trailer trash” men who have trouble keeping their zippers zipped.”

Right. just look at all the baby murdering that is going on today.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
December 31, 2011 10:20 am

I didn’t see any indication that opinions of Cain changed with the allegations of sexual harrassment and affairs. What I saw was continued support from those who supported him in the forst place, and a general feeling that he was being unfairly targeted because he was doing well in the polls.

Olivia
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Olivia
January 2, 2012 5:40 am

Couldn’t produce a link, I see.
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Of course I can, and so could you, if you didn’t rely exclusively on right wing gossip and spin for your news.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/04/nation/la-na-cain-accuser-20111105

http://www.newsytype.com/13342-herman-cain-sexual-harassment/

Now, before you break a leg charging forth with the argument that $80,000 worth of monetary settlements by the NRA doesn’t constitute “proof” that Cain actually did anything wrong, keep in mind that you were quick to call Clinton a “predator” and “sociopath,” even though there was no “proof” that HE was guilty of sexual harassment, either.

What makes Republican sexual shenanigans even more outrageous is the fact that they regularly use religion and Family Values as political weapons, often while cheating up a storm when everybody’s back is turned. 😉

Sorry, Kick. You can downplay Cain’s shenanigans all you want, but all it will accomplish is showing how skilled you are at self-deception. NO intelligent business organization is going to shell out $80,000 worth of hush money unless they truly believe that there’s something behind such accusations. And they were in a better position than either of us to know the details about those accusations.

RobertW
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January 2, 2012 5:08 pm

Reading your posts is like peering into a Xanth Hypnogourd.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
January 2, 2012 6:42 am

Why do you bother? You just embarrass yourself.

She’s either an attention whore, or it’s the drugs, or both.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
January 2, 2012 6:36 am

Now, before you break a leg charging forth with the argument that $80,000 worth of monetary settlements by the NRA doesn’t constitute “proof” that Cain actually did anything wrong, keep in mind that you were quick to call Clinton a “predator” and “sociopath,” even though there was no “proof” that HE was guilty of sexual harassment, either.

I love your lack of critical thinking skills. I have been in corporate life for almost 25 years. I have seen payoffs for no reason other than to avoid publicity or the expense of a trial. BTW, $80,000 is very cheap. I saw one case where the payoff was $500,000 and a demotion and nothing in the sexual harassment realm happened. How do I know? Because the guy who was accused was my boss and I know the woman involved and she was getting even for being passed over for a promotion.

Bottom line with Cain is that you do not know anymore than anyone else but you have already convicted him based on hearsay. Why did the whole charade stop as soon as he stepped down? Obviously, mission accomplished. If these women were so harmed, why are they not pursuing their cases?

Clinton is a predator. We have incontrovertible proof. There is no comparison with Cain. Even if Monica Lewinsky were the only one, that would be enough. I know he wasn’t convicted of sexual harassment, you idiot, he was impeached for lying about banging an intern in the Oval Office. That by the way would be sexual harassment anywhere but in Washington DC, apparently. Nice try though. The rest of your post is just more smoke to cover the inadequacies of your “proof”. You are so unintentionally funny and predictable. Why do you bother? You just embarrass yourself.

Olivia
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Olivia
January 1, 2012 4:56 pm

Provide me a conclusive link that Cain did as he was accused by multiple women? Who knows, you might be able to find something legitimate? I lost interest in the rest of your tome since it was more of your diversions and relativism. Clinton is trailer trash. Not everyone who lives in a trailer is trash just like not everyone who occupies the White House knows what he is doing. Clinton is simply a representation of poor white trash. The AstroTurf lined pick up pretty much ends that debate, IMO. That he rose above it is a great achievement but he never could shake the hill jack attitude. His immorality does cross class lines, I will concede that but he is a sexual predator and that is criminal as well as sociopathic.
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Nonsense. It’s not “predatory” to engage in a sexual relationship with a willing adult partner, Mr. Psychiatrist Wannabe.

The rest of your post is just the same old right wing hypocrisy: trashing Clinton while trying desperately to deny any wrong-doing on the part of Cain. Need I remind you that Cain’s company paid out many thousands of dollars settlement to the women accusing him of sexual harassment?—-while the case accusing Clinton of the same thing was thrown out of court?

But the funniest thing of all is that I, one of those allegedly godly and immoral lib’ruls, freely admit that Clinton showed extremely poor judgment in the Lewinsky business…..while you allegedly “family values” right wingers can’t even bring yourselves to admit that Cain showed equally poor judgment.

Evidence once more that you demand a high standard of morality and competence from Democrats….but, when it comes to Republicans, any idiot or scoundrel will do….just so long as he parrots the desired rhetoric. 😀

(One of the reasons, I might add, that you have such a loony lineup of presidential hopefuls this year…….)

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
January 1, 2012 11:02 pm

Thanks Rose, exactly the point I was going to make. With legal fees being what they are, it’s cheaper to settle these cases, even if the accused is innocent. No blot on your record, unless you’re a conservative and a liberal wants to make hay.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 8:44 pm

Cain ostensibly was engaged in unwanted attention to some of his staff. Many such complaints are settled (including a cash payment) because it is n’t provable nbor disprovable (he said, she said) and its cheaper and easier to settle. But that was all true long before he became a candidate. I find it intersting that these allegations suddently started falling out of the closet only when Cains poll numbers started to rise. Made no difference to me- I would not have voted for him anyway. But the timing and the persistence was very fishy. (PS, Kennedy the ICON of the Democratic party screwed everything that moved and some that didn’t, but none of THOSE allegations were revealed during his campaign!)

Sidekick
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Sidekick
January 1, 2012 5:01 pm

Couldn’t produce a link, I see.

The rest of your post is a rehash of the other 1000 or so time wasters you clog the board with. You just cannot back up your own posts. All of us laugh at you and you keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. Typical progressive…just keeps talking but say nothing.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 31, 2011 10:03 am

As you noted in the case of Herman Cain, those were allegation, Olivia. Nothing proven. In fact, things got pretty quiet after he dropped out. Apples and oranges when compared to a sitting president who committed coitus with an intern in the Oval Office and then lied about it. Got caught. Got impeached. Got disbarred. Yep, just like Herman Cain.

As to the other examples….yeah….so. They were wrong but you claimed Clinton is really smart and a better sort than Palin and probably in your view all Republicans. I say he is not and he is trailer trash.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 3:01 pm

As you noted in the case of Herman Cain, those were allegation, Olivia. Nothing proven.
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Wrong. As far as the sexual harassment cases went, first he denied knowing anything about them. Then, confronted with evidence, he admitted that they’d occurred, but that there hadn’t been a settlement. Then, confronted with the settlement evidence, he admitted that there had been a settlement. With the constant changing of his story, doesn’t it occur to you that he’s a bit short in the honesty department?

The woman who said he’d had a 13 year long affair with her had many pages of cell phone documentation, to show that they’d communicated frequently, at all hours of the night and early morning. Now, I can honestly say that, during my entire working life, I have never called my unit director at 4 am—-even though I work the night shift! Neither has anyone in my extended family (I asked them, when we were laughing over Cain’s fumbles and flimsy alibis).

If he were honest (yeah, right—must’ve been a telephone company mixup, huh?), it seems to me that he would have stuck to his guns and lived it down. But, instead, he quit his candidacy, right when the going got tough.

Mind you, he would never have made it, even if he’d had NO breath of scandal attached to his name. After flubbing that softball question about Obama’s actions in Libya, he compounded the disaster by arguing, “I’m not supposed to know anything about foreign policy.” Let’s face it: the man was a fool, at least in terms of what a serious presidential candidate should know. I doubt he WAS a serious candidate, for that matter. I think he wanted to get his name in the media, and possibly go for a cushy job on FAUX News. They do seem to hire a lot of failed Republican candidates.
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In fact, things got pretty quiet after he dropped out.
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Why, of course they did, because his peccadilloes were no longer front page news. 😉
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Apples and oranges when compared to a sitting president who committed coitus with an intern in the Oval Office and then lied about it.
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You’re correct about that. Sex (“committing coitus”??? You just kill me when you’re trying to sound like a legal expert, Kick!) between consenting adults isn’t illegal, but sexual harassment is—so Herman Cain lied about repeatedly breaking the law, and then paying off the women to keep them quiet about it. Clinton merely screwed around behind closed doors.
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Got caught. Got impeached. Got disbarred.
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Wrong. Clinton’s license to practice law was suspended for five years as a penalty. He was not disbarred.

Interestingly enough, you seem to have all sorts of scorn to heap on Clinton (while making excuses for Cain’s adultery and illegal sexual harassment)….but you’re not commenting on my comment about Newt. That guy went after Clinton like a barracuda, did a lot of melodramatic grandstanding about “morality” and “family values”—-while he was cheating on his sick second wife with his cheap looking mistress.

No doubt you’ll stammer out a lot of excuses: “But but but but he wasn’t president!” “But but but but he wasn’t placed under oath and asked about his sex life!” “But but but but Monica was a brunette, whereas Camila was a bleached blonde!” “But but but but you don’t have videos of him having sex with Camila, so it couldn’t have happened!”

Face it, Kick—-when it comes to morality, you have a huge double standard—-just like your heroes (including Rush!) who say one thing but do another. 😉
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As to the other examples….yeah….so. They were wrong but you claimed Clinton is really smart and a better sort than Palin and probably in your view all Republicans.
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I said Clinton is more intelligent and much better educated than Palin. If your mommy didn’t explain to you that inability to keep one’s zipper zipped is not directly proportionate to one’s IQ, then it’s time someone did. And, lest we forget, Ms. Conservative Family Values also screwed around (and got pregnant), so perhaps HER self control isn’t what it ought to be. Classic Republican “morality”: “Do as I say, not as I do.”
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I say he is not and he is trailer trash.
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Since a goodly number of far righters live in trailers, do you think going around using dumb insults like “trailer trash” is a smart idea, Kick? Especially when (as you seem uncomfortable admitting) so many Republican political heroes have screwed around, just as Clinton did….but didn’t get caught until after they’d married the screwee? 😀

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 31, 2011 3:11 pm

Provide me a conclusive link that Cain did as he was accused by multiple women? Who knows, you might be able to find something legitimate? I lost interest in the rest of your tome since it was more of your diversions and relativism. Clinton is trailer trash. Not everyone who lives in a trailer is trash just like not everyone who occupies the White House knows what he is doing. Clinton is simply a representation of poor white trash. The AstroTurf lined pick up pretty much ends that debate, IMO. That he rose above it is a great achievement but he never could shake the hill jack attitude. His immorality does cross class lines, I will concede that but he is a sexual predator and that is criminal as well as sociopathic.

RobertW
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December 30, 2011 9:38 pm

depends what your definition of “is” is.

FormerlyDeanH
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FormerlyDeanH
December 30, 2011 11:44 am

That is a very succinct summary of the liberal (read; commie) qualification process. As long as whoever you’re talking about is a left wing radical, whatever they say is golden, even – nay! especially – if it has no foundation in truth or logic, since that IS the function of progs.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 30, 2011 11:43 am

Or a community organizer with sealed college transcripts becomes the smartest man in the world and the fourth best president ever.

Olivia
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Olivia
January 1, 2012 4:46 pm

Or a community organizer with sealed college transcripts
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“Sealed college transcripts”? What a crock. Do you not realize, Kick, that presidents have the same right as private citizens not to share their college records with the general public?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 8:39 pm

No other President in history has felt a need t ohide this information, even when their transcripts showed average (at best) grades. What does Obamarama have to hide?

andre
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andre
December 30, 2011 11:54 am

Oh please, I was trying to keep it succinct. There are endless examples. One can argue smartness or greatness (admittedly, in this case, one has to really expand one’s parameters to wrap your brain around those possibilities), but you can just leave it at qualifications – community organizer (I guess the first argument would be about what the hell that even means), then US Senator for what? 2 years? And suddenly we have grounds for infinite amounts of optimism for hope and change?

Olivia
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Olivia
December 31, 2011 2:33 pm

One can argue smartness or greatness (admittedly, in this case, one has to really expand one’s parameters to wrap your brain around those possibilities), but you can just leave it at qualifications – community organizer (I guess the first argument would be about what the hell that even means), then US Senator for what? 2 years? And suddenly we have grounds for infinite amounts of optimism for hope and change?
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Why, yes. (Although you conveniently forgot to mention his years as a lawyer and constitutional law professor.). Obama HAS caused some changes, you know. If he hadn’t, you righties wouldn’t be endlessly bitching about him (except, of course, for the racists). And, now that the recession has started to turn (albeit very slowly), there is certainly hope that better times are coming. At least the economy is no longer sinking, as it was during the last months of Bush’s misrule. 😉

If you don’t know what a community organizer is or does, perhaps you ought not to sneer about the position, or claim that it doesn’t qualify Obama for office. In any case, that was a job he held between undergraduate school and law school—-not a permanent career. Thus, it’s no more honest to call Obama a “community organizer” than it would be to call me a department store sales clerk (one of the jobs I worked at before going to nursing school).

I must say, I’m getting a laugh at you guys, sneering about Obama’s “community organizer” days and ridiculing the fact that he resigned from the U.S. Senate after winning the presidential election—-but failing to comment on MY observation that Sarah Palin couldn’t handle a term as governor, even though she LOST the 2008 election. Evidence enough that you don’t expect much from your own candidates. 😉

sa_rose
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sa_rose
January 1, 2012 12:19 am

1) Show me ONE Case he has argued, or even written about since graduating law school. Oh that’s right you CAN’T. Even if he had, all those records are sealed. Law professor was a stretch according to the university. He came over now and again to do a lecture; sort of like he now gets to play president now and again, but clearly not full time. And the only JOB he ever held was the community organizer job. If he had had another job, we would be happy to review his efforts there. I already told you I don’t like Sarah. Why keep harping on her? If the left would shut up about her she would have faded into oblivion by now. Quick-who was Barry Goldwater’s running mate? Exactly. No one remembers or cares since he lost.

RobertW
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January 1, 2012 1:34 am

Bill MIller

and i didn’t google it.

yahoo’d yes, googled, no.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
December 30, 2011 12:06 pm

“Hope and change” was brilliant in that it meant whatever the lemming in question wanted it to mean. For the OWS types it meant endless free stuff from the federal government, for the professional underclass it meant endless free stuff from the federal government, and for the progressives it meant taking it to the producers in this country and giving their stuff to the professional underclass and OWS types. Of course there is an obvious common denominator: Group A taking from Group B and giving it to Groups C and D.

Olivia
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Olivia
December 30, 2011 6:57 pm

“Hope and change” was brilliant in that it meant whatever the lemming in question wanted it to mean.
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You being the lemming, of course.

It amuses me to no end the way you Obamaphobes keep ridiculing the “hope and change” slogan, as if despair and SSDD were much more desirable things for a president to aim for. 😉
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For the OWS types it meant endless free stuff from the federal government, for the professional underclass it meant endless free stuff from the federal government, and for the progressives it meant taking it to the producers in this country and giving their stuff to the professional underclass and OWS types.
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Another bogus stereotype from the “I’ve got mine, screw you” set. You’ve been brainwashed into believing that neglecting poverty, hunger and untreated illness will magically cause those problems to go away on their own. What’s more, your favorite talk radio heroes have BSed you into believing that handing over perks and free stuff to the nation’s wealthy and powerful will make them so grateful that they’ll all turn into Lady Bountifuls, and spend their fortunes fixing society’s ills.

(And they call ME stupid…….) 😉

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
December 31, 2011 12:41 pm

It amuses me to no end the way you Obamaphobes keep ridiculing the “hope and change” slogan, as if despair and SSDD were much more desirable things for a president to aim for.

No, with Obama we have more despair and Worse Shit Day After Day(WSDAD)!

(And they call ME stupid…….)

Yes, and for good reason.