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Now that the Justice Dept. released its memo justifying assasination of American citizens… let’s take another look at the assasination by drone of 16-year-old Aabdulrahman al-Awlaki, an American citizen who was neither a member of al-Qaida nor a member of an associated force. He was a kid. He was targeted and killed by a drone in October of 2011 along with some other kids who happened to be eating with him. His father was a member of al-Qaida but his father was already dead from an earlier drone assasination about which President Obama bragged. Is this murder then?

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CO2Insanity
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February 7, 2013 1:24 pm

They just had this subject on a talk show here in Libardafornia. Of course, most of the liberals in SF are all for this. You can betcha if Romney was now president and this was going on they’d all be screaming bloody murder about how wrong it is.

Personally I’m not adverse to drone strikes on terrorists regardless what party affiliation the President has. What I don’t agree with is one man having this power, again regardless of party affiliation.

There should be checks and balances and some investigation before this is done to ensure the innocent aren’t blown up.

JPTravis
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February 7, 2013 1:47 pm

Yeah, why can’t the damn assasination list be public? I’m sure the fact that we’re after them isn’t a secret, and making the assasination list public would be fair warning to everybody else that being in their presence could be bad for your health.

“Listen, Abdul, I’d love to have lunch with you but I have to go home and wash my Saluki.”

Joe
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Joe
February 6, 2013 10:14 pm

It’s okay because if Obama had a son he wouldn’t look like Aabdulrahman.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
February 7, 2013 7:26 am

Yes he would.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
February 6, 2013 7:05 pm

I’m a bit disturbed that so many right wing pundits are upset at the hypocrisy but fine with the actual drone hits. I suppose if the Chinese were to send a drone over LA to take out a Chinese national deemed to be a threat to the government of the PRC, these people will be just fine with that. This is a whole new precedent being set.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
February 6, 2013 10:09 pm
JPTravis
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February 6, 2013 8:39 pm

I’m not okay with the drone hits. We had that debate right here in IHTM and I was pretty much outnumbered. I dislike them for two reasons: they’re a dishonorable way to wage war, and they’re too easy to abuse by budding tyrants like Obama. Who really knows who he’s targeted?

Progressive Hemrrhoid
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Progressive Hemrrhoid
February 6, 2013 5:36 pm

Like an asshole like “Dear leader” cares about who he kills.

deepthinker
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deepthinker
February 6, 2013 4:04 pm

ACLU why are you not on all of the TVs saying this is wrong. You issued a simple memo in response. Now der leader has assassinated a 16 year old child and his friends because dad was an al-Qadia member who der leader had already assassinated.

Murder and treason are the two offenses that automatically get you impeached and then tried for the crimes you have committed.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
February 6, 2013 4:19 pm

The ACLU would never do that, their primary funding is liberals, they would be making Chicago Jesus look bad in front of the congregation…

Sidekick
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Sidekick
February 6, 2013 7:06 pm

I hear they are filing suit. Shocking, I know.

Alien
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Alien
February 6, 2013 7:51 pm

ACLU has been griping about drones for years. Some progressives are at least internally consistent (though I’ve never seen ACLU fight for anyone’s 2nd amendment rights)

Navyvet2
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Navyvet2
February 6, 2013 2:35 pm

I know others have said this, but I have to pipe in. Can you imagine the utter screaming outrage if this would have happened on a non-Democrat/Liberal/Communist/Progressive/Whatever watch? Anyone who thinks the media is not a bunch of DNC suckasses, is a beyond stupid.

Joe
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Joe
February 6, 2013 10:21 pm

The media’s corruption is unbelievable. My fear though is when a republican gets elected, they will be so emboldened by all they’ve accomplished during the obama administration that their attacks on that president will make their attacks on Bush look amateurish.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
February 6, 2013 10:29 pm

Good point.

JPTravis
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February 6, 2013 2:44 pm

I think it’s bugging them a bit. I see some progressive websites discussing it. But like you say, the MSM is not going to make a big issue of it because they’re committed to Obama and the Democrat Party.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
February 6, 2013 7:35 pm

Hey JP, not splitting hairs, it’s a serious question. Maybe I’m having trouble tracking tonight, I know it was separate strike but was he the primary target in this one?

JPTravis
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February 6, 2013 8:37 pm

According to Wikipedia, in the days following the murder the U.S. government claimed that Aabdulrahman was of military age and a legitimate target. Then when his family produced his American birth certificate showing he was only 16, two anonymous CIA sources claimed the real target was an Egyptian named Ibrahim al-Banna who apparently wasn’t even there. Sounds like a cover-up story to me, but of course it’s just enough for Obama apologists to excuse their beloved leader.

JPTravis
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February 6, 2013 8:32 pm

The way The Atlantic writes about it, he was the primary target, but I wouldn’t trust The Atlantic very far. But don’t forget the video of Gibbs being asked about it. He basically said it was the father’s fault that his kid got bombed. If the kid wasn’t the primary target, when Gibbs was asked about it why didn’t he answer, “Hey, killing the kid was an accident. We were really after…?”

Alien
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Alien
February 6, 2013 7:47 pm

Original target was an Egyptian.. Al Qaeda for sure. No way I would remember his name

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
February 7, 2013 7:22 am

Achmed Ackhgmnklqnfts

NodakSuz
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NodakSuz
February 6, 2013 1:06 pm

Killing an innocent American in a foreign country – would that be considered an impeachable offense? One way to see O go out the door.

JPTravis
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February 6, 2013 1:31 pm

If murder is an impeachable offense – which it is – then this is an impeachable offense. Remember, they made it clear early on, as a way of reassuring us, that Obama himself personally okayed every assasination. The way I see it, he is guilty of a first class capital offense.

jcrowley1985
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jcrowley1985
February 6, 2013 2:37 pm

You should have voted for Ron Paul.

PsychoDad
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February 6, 2013 5:43 pm

Shut UP CreepyCrawly.

ooddballz
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ooddballz
February 6, 2013 3:57 pm

And gave Obummer another vote….MORON

Not so silent
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Not so silent
February 6, 2013 3:07 pm

Yea then Ron would have turned all the weapons into plowshares and we would be learning Chinese today….Same shit, different day Creep Crowley. TD MO and turds.

PsychoDad
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February 6, 2013 1:02 pm

Well I stuck my neck out yesterday to more or less defend the drone program, but offing this kid is clearly way out of bounds.

I still say that if you’ve thrown in with a paramilitary/terror group whose avowed purpose is to make war on the US and US nationals, you are an enemy combatant and if you ever were a US citizen yourself, your citizenship and rights are forfeit, as much as if you’d put on a German uniform in 1943. Much as I can make out, dad had it coming. The kid? No.

MGAP
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MGAP
February 6, 2013 12:26 pm

Fk this little towel head and everyone he knows. I’m glad his ass is off the face of this planet and is getting sodomized by Beelzebub himself. Kill him before he gets a chance to pull himself off in a crowd of innocent people.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
February 7, 2013 10:44 am

That’s like punishing someone before they commit a crime. Granted the possibility is there of him becoming a terrorist. Or maybe he will grow up to be a force for peace, after he lost his father for his involvement in Al qaida. Whtever, I am not ready for the thought police just yet.

MGAP
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MGAP
February 7, 2013 12:06 am

I’m sorry, but you know Dad is a terrorist who is in hiding. You then go to find him? For what? He forget to leave the car keys behind when he left for terrorist training camp? If I’m an All American teen who loves the USA, I’m not going on quest to find Pops before he martyrs himself. I’m calling the FBI/CIA/TSA/SPCA and offering up all the info I have on dear old Dad. He wasn’t doing that though was he? He snuck out to find his Father in BF, Yemen.
If they can use this story to impeach and prosecute the POTUS… by all means, go for it. Then we have a two fer’ deal that’s WIN WIN for us.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
February 7, 2013 10:46 am

Did you read even the blurb? Dad is DEAD. A previous drone strike already got him.

MGAP
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MGAP
February 7, 2013 1:04 pm

Yes Ma’am, I did read it. The son snuck out of America on 9/4/11. His father was killed on 9/30/11. The son was killed on 10/14/11. That gave him 3 weeks in Yemen while Pops was alive. The strike that got him came 2 weeks after his father’s death.
We can debate this issue til we’re blue in the face, but one thing is certain. Obama will not be harmed by these events. They could show a video of Barracki flying the drone and launching the missile and he would still remain in office to finish his second term. Their defense? Bush invaded Iraq.

flashingscotsman
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February 8, 2013 9:04 am

What if they could prove that Obama made a badly produced video that offended some Muslims? Could we put him in jail for THAT?

JPTravis
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February 7, 2013 7:14 am

Carry your logic all the way and we can hunt down and assasinate every child of every terrorist. Like a Columbian drug gang we can kill the family of our enemies down to the last child. Was he hunting for his father so he could join him? Like I said, it’s possible. At that point you’d have an excuse to kill him. But he was of an age when sons naturally want to meet the father they never knew, and so far he hadn’t done anything related to terrorism or showed any inclination to be anti-American and the only people caught lying are the government officials who tried to justify the assasination by saying he was in his twenties. The weird part about the government lie is that EVEN IF TRUE, he still wouldn’t have met the Justice Dept. guidelines for being a legal target. Twenty five or sixteen, he wasn’t a member of al Queda or an associated group… unless you think we should start assasinating American citizens beforehand, when we merely suspect they’re going to join.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
February 7, 2013 10:48 am

DAD WAS DEAD! He wasn’t looking to meet up with Dad, he was eating with his friends, who apparently weren’t terrorists either. This was clearly a screw up and its right in Obamas wimpy lap.

MGAP
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MGAP
February 7, 2013 8:29 am

From the story; “He was a boy who hadn’t seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family’s home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him.”
He knew Dad, went to find Dad and was traveling alone? How does a 16 year old obtain a 30 day visa to visit Yemen, buy tickets to Yemen and sneak outo f the house to go to Yemen? How does a 16 yr old kid then get out of Yemen with an expired visa? He had help.
I do see the slippery slope point you’re making, but the young lad made a lot of difficult and expensive arrangements in secret that I would like to see explained.

JPTravis
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February 7, 2013 8:37 am

I see your point that he might have been trying to join his father in the business of terrorism, but I still think the key word is “might.” Killing Americans for what they might do is not somewhere we want to go. As for the visa, I’m so ignorant about foreign travel I have no idea whether a boy with dual Yemeni-American citizenship even needs a visa.

MGAP
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MGAP
February 7, 2013 8:52 am

Dad was dual citizen. The lad was born here and I’ve yet to find anything about his having dual citizenship. Maybe it’s grandfathered in because of Dad. That would make traaveling easier. I do see a lot of reports mentioning an Al Qaeda operative getting killed in the same airstrike though. How do we account for that?

RKae
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RKae
February 6, 2013 1:40 pm

Killing children for fear of what they MIGHT wind up doing is the philosophy of Planned Parenthood.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
February 6, 2013 7:08 pm

Minority Report

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
February 7, 2013 11:01 pm

Oh, it’s a Dick story. I may have to check it out even though I despise Tom Cruise, after asking for a special dispensation from the Keepers of the do not watch list, of course.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
February 7, 2013 7:18 am

Thanks, I was thinking of that movie, but couldn’t come up with the name.
It sux getting old!

RKae
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RKae
February 7, 2013 7:43 am

Yeah, well, enjoy the concept of being allowed to grow old… while it’s still legal for commoners to do so.

JPTravis
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February 6, 2013 1:28 pm

He was 16. He wasn’t a terrorist, just a kid who wanted to meet his father. Would he have become a terrorist? Maybe, we’ll never know. The day we say killing kids because they might grow up to be terrorists is okay, that’s the day I’m no longer an American.

Elrond Hubbard
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Elrond Hubbard
February 6, 2013 12:06 pm

The MSM can’t blame George Bush so they’ll just ignore the whole thing.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
February 7, 2013 7:08 am

Of course they can blame Bush, I’m sure this drone was built and purchased during the Bush admin.

redabogado
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redabogado
February 6, 2013 9:40 pm

Obama the “UBL” Killer has been watching too much Achmed the Dead Terrorist….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL357BrwK7c

flashingscotsman
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February 6, 2013 12:09 pm

If they had really good imaginations, I’m sure they could come up with a way to blame Bush.

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