Thousands get health insurance cancellation notices. “…the cancellation notices, which began arriving in August, have shocked many consumers in light of President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their plans if they liked them.” If the media had done their job, consumers wouldn’t be “shocked” now.

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Not so silent
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Not so silent
November 8, 2013 11:39 am
poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
November 8, 2013 2:21 pm

He didn’t even make it to the Obamacare death panels!
Looks like conservatives will be weeded out slowly, and allowed to, or made to die, then Obama can have te liberal paradise he’s working for!

Olivia
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Olivia
November 8, 2013 2:40 pm

There is absolutely zero evidence that this guy even tried to find a new insurance policy. He mumbled something about not being able to get on the website, but that sounds like a pretty poor excuse to give up and “let nature take its course.” Especially when he could have gone to Walgreens or CVS, and they would have been happy to help him negotiate the plans available to him.

Sounds to me like yet another example of the insurance industry’s latest bait-and-switch: they tell the customer his old policy is cancelled, and then offer him a much more expensive one instead. The idea being that, with all the confusion out there, he’ll just give up and take what they offer, instead of checking out all his options (including those offered by the competition).

It’s a little fishy, too, that this man expresses concern over putting his family through this, but doesn’t mind putting his family through the anguish of boycotting treatment because he doesn’t feel like researching his options. And what makes it even fishier is that he never specified what kind of treatment he expects to go without, what kind of cancer he has, or what his prognosis is. Nor did the interviewer bother to ask him. Pretty strange omission for such a story.

You guys are such suckers for anti-Obama propaganda. And FAUX News knows it, and plays you like a bunch of kazoos.

KimmyQueen
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November 5, 2013 1:28 pm

Not getting into details… Got my Mom’s letter from her insurance. Yes I can legally open her mail so I don’t want some moron pointing that out. I just want to point out three things:

It seems that my Mom now needs to make sure that all of her pills that she needs are going to be “pre-approved”. Why must it be “pre-approved” and who will do it? Don’t know. She will have to call to find out, my pointing this out is… if the Doctor prescribes it and she needs it… why must it be “pre-approved” before she gets it? Uhm… How long will it take for this pre-approval process and will my Mom have to be without pills for a considerable amount of time while they figure it out…? Nothing about being given a small supply while she waits I guess those details she has to call and find out.

ACA is too expensive for smaller pharmacies plans (which would have been more affordable and what she has been doing) so they moved her to a bigger pharmacy (a corporation) which means that the medicines will go up in price…

*sighs*

Last thing… from the letter FAQs: “The Affordable Care Act (ACA) recommends coverage for vitamin D supplements for adults (WTH?). Will vitamin D supplements be a covered benefit? Vitamin D supplements are available at no cost for adults age 65 and over as recommended under the Affordable Care Act. Eligible members must obtain a written prescription from their doctor for all products, including over-the-counter (OTC) products that do not require a prescription by law, and the supplements must be filled at a Preferred Retail Pharmacy. (Like the corporation pharmacy she was moved into.)”

Okay my Mom is NOT 65 and she is nowhere near being that, so why even bring this crap up? So I am looking and looking and it seems, if I am not mistaken, that is part of her coverage now so in essence she is paying for that so she is being told she is paying for free vitamin D for OTHER people…

Fan-freaking-tastic…. !!!!

There are other crap here that I really don’t want to get into because I am pissed off and this is not even my plan and it went up not sure how much percentage wise, but I can only contend that this additional crap is going to cost her.

*sighs* If I was man and I didn’t have painted nails I would punch something…

Not so silent
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Not so silent
November 5, 2013 7:07 pm

By “moron” I bet your refering to Nurse Puss Pocket?…:)

KimmyQueen
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November 5, 2013 7:37 pm

You never know what may come out of its ass and by ass I mean its mouth.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 5, 2013 5:37 pm

I am paying out the ass for Vitamin D because no insurance covers it right now. Older people need it because they need it for bone health, and as they age, and their kidneys loose function, they cannon convert VIt d from the sun or food into the vit d in the form the body needs it. Generally, no “nutritional supplements” are covered by ant insurance. Calcuym probably should be a covered benefit for the elderly as well/

KimmyQueen
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November 5, 2013 7:37 pm

That is all well and good, but why must my Mom pay for OTHERS supplements? She is paying for YEARS of supplements for OTHER people under the guise that she is somehow paying for her own supplements and that will kick in once she turns 65… That is a ponzi scheme. It is of course terrible that it is expensive and it really shouldn’t be, if there is a market for people that need it the insurance companies SHOULD cover it and people should pay accordingly as they need it. However again… why must MY MOM pay for OTHERS supplements?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 7, 2013 12:53 pm

Of oourse it is. this wholedeal is a worse Ponzi scheme than Social Security. At least Social Security was designed to be independant. THis crap was created as a Ponzi scheme.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
November 6, 2013 5:32 am

I tried to reply last night, but got 404’d. I’m going to try again with a very short post and then edit it.
OK, that worked. I’m not sure which word tripped it out, but here is the post now:

Don’t feel so bad Kimmy. With Obamacare, you have to pay for others maternity care, birth control, and even Viagra, whether or not you would need it yourself I’m pretty sure I won’t get pregnant or need birth control pills, but I would have to pay for them.
When you buy any other kind of insurance, you only buy what you need, and pay accordingly, with Obamacare, you have to buy what you don’t want or need, and pay accordingly.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
November 8, 2013 11:11 am
Not so silent
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Not so silent
November 1, 2013 3:51 pm

Paging Nurse Puss Pocket, Nurse Puss Pocket, you needed in the metal health ward stat….We have your medication..Paging Nurse Puss Pocket….

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 1, 2013 11:51 am

This looks like as good a place as any to post this.

http://youtu.be/QHWEUPOFO8M

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 31, 2013 9:57 am

Yoou stupid. . . . There were a number of links to more conservative sites reporting the incident. For your benefit, I used the one from the local news channel. CBS I believe. And if ou think the Big 3 broadcast news is supporting the right, you are beyond understanding.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 31, 2013 8:56 pm

And beyond help.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 1, 2013 12:20 pm

Well, I guess we knew that all along.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 7:35 am

I hereby accuse you of having an overabundance of critical thinking skills.
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Trust a far right winger to regard critical thinking skills as a bad thing. ;>)

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 9:35 am

See how stupid you are? It IS a good thng, he was giving him a compliment and you didn’t get it. No wonder you don’t understand what Obama says. You have a serious comprehension problem. THere’s therapy for that.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 29, 2013 10:27 am

Rose you have done a marvelous job debating our liberal crapstain…but it is like trying to make a Christmas ornament out of dog poo…. no matter how pretty it looks, its still poo and still stinks….I move that we all TD/MO and ignore the unholy troll from hell….:)

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 12:00 pm

Translation: “We can’t win, when she’s got all the facts and logic on her side. Maybe we’d better just wave a white flag and have done with it……”

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 10:15 pm

You wouldn’t know logic if it bit you in the ass. And your “facts” are invariably wrong.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 30, 2013 8:56 am

It’s like “Whack-a-mole” Its too dumb to realize every time it pops up its going to get smacked….Oh well put another quarter in and smack it some more…..Even the Whack-a-mole machine stops at some point, but not our libtard…..

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 29, 2013 1:23 pm

You wouldn’t know facts if they rose up and grabbed you by the ears….face it, you just talking points and your unable to see any other way that what you are told, a sheep, a follower….a libtard….Your one of many that thinks any one other than a liberal is bad…just like Germans and Jews..Conservatives are the new jews..perhaps concentration camps? Oh yea I forgot you have become enlightened and now kill them before they are born so you don’t have to deal with the shoes and glasses and gold teeth..yep libtards are sure enlightened…..just like Nazi’s. there is only one way, der leaders way..all hail der leader….again fuck you and the horse you rode in on…your a pitiful excuse for a human..no ability to think for yourself, need to be lead by the nose like a farm animal and told what to do, all the time thinking you have freedom…

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 1:58 pm

Silent, I do think you need to think about addressing that drinking problem. You’re doing an awful lot of rambling, and none of it has anything to do with the issue being discussed.

Why don’t you go sleep it off, and come back later when your head’s cleared up?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 10:18 pm

90% of the crap you have posted has nothing to do with the subject! How dare you accuse any of the rest of us for going off subject?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 30, 2013 3:50 am

It’s all part of her diversion tactic Rose. If she can get us chasing the BS accusations, she will claim victory for someone not answering every one of her way-too-many posts of nonsense.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 31, 2013 9:59 am

I also notice that when I ask her a pointed question that disagrees with her spew, she responds to some other, more innocuouspost, like a spelling or grammar error.

MGAP
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MGAP
October 29, 2013 6:03 pm

Hi Sugar tits! I see you’re still wasting your time. Why don’t you go step into traffic and create some jobs.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 6:06 pm

She’s already keeping a team of shrinks busy working out her daddy issues.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 29, 2013 7:36 pm

Wonder what health care plan pays for the shrinks? and it looks like her health plan ain’t paying for enough meds….

MGAP
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MGAP
October 29, 2013 6:06 pm

Hi Sugar tits! I see you’re still wasting your time. Why don’t you go step into traffic and create some jobs.
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Translation; Hi dumbfuck. Why don’t you shove a white flag up your ass and pretend you’re French? Eat shit.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 6:17 pm

LOL!!
Now THAT’S a realistic translation!

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 29, 2013 7:35 pm

Now that’s some funny shit…:)

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 29, 2013 9:00 am

With Olivia it always comes back to the “right winger”, she only knows the talking points she is given..der furher has total control of this stupid pig….

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 12:25 pm

“Der furher”? That’s one of the funniest butcherings of a foreign word that I’ve seen in a while. :>D

Armed and Awesome
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Armed and Awesome
October 30, 2013 12:30 am

At least spell “Führer” correctly you drooling, cretinous, imbecile.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 30, 2013 3:54 am

Good point, but don’t let her drag you down to her level of criticizing people’s spelling.
Although, she does it to Rose, who she already knows has problems typing because of her medical issues, and her autocorrect on her Kindle often puts the wrong words in he rposts, but that doesn’t stop my bitch from going after her for that, because she has nothing else.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 30, 2013 4:19 am

Actually, pointing out such errors is very relevant. If Rose can’t be bothered to notice the difference between “gender dysphoria” and “genre euphoria,”—-two VERY different terms—–maybe she’s not bothering to notice other things as well. Like, say, the factual errors in many right wing theories and accusations that she hears about on FOX News.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 30, 2013 12:21 pm

I know the difference. Clearly my kindle doesn’t. And as I said before, I had gone back and corrected that twice. Itmakes the change when I hit enter, so I don’t always see it while I am typing. And have had carpal tunnel on both wrists, with permanent damage to my right hand (my very dominant hand) my typing is quite a mess on some days. AND FOR THE ZILLIONTH TIME I DON”T WATCH FOX NEWS. We have a Fox station with local news at 9pm, but I don’t watch it and I don’t have access to the other fox channels.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 29, 2013 1:25 pm

Glad you got a laugh, if you think Hitler’s tittle was funny you are a sadistic loon…but then you are a libtard…..all hail the libtards…for they will give you free shit…by the way I like your lie earlier, “I never said I was in the medical field”…perhaps you should go back about a year and explain your comments about being a nurse…your a lying sack of crap…always have been always will be…god your en embarrassment…..

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 1:55 pm

Glad you got a laugh, if you think Hitler’s tittle was funny you are a sadistic loon…
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You’re deliberately misunderstanding, Silent, probably in an effort to shift focus from your gaffe.

And, again, nursing and medicine are two different disciplines.

Kip Hooker
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October 29, 2013 7:38 am

The accusation came from a small l libertarian. But I suppose such details are insignificant to a critical thinker of your caliber.

flashingscotsman
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October 29, 2013 8:23 am

Another turd, and complete agreement with Kip’s sarcasm, which My Dear Sweet Olivia is incapable of understanding. And that’s from a Libertarian with a capital L.

Kip Hooker
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October 29, 2013 9:03 am

LOL Flashing. It is so funny how the expert on everything knows so very little.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 8:43 am

As I recall, the much ballyhooed Ayn Rand was also a libertarian with a capital L.

But her libertarian principles went right down the toilet when she was diagnosed with cancer, and had the opportunity to sign up for Medicare, and have Uncle Sam foot the bill instead of herself.

It’s easy to swagger around and play Independent Cuss when everything’s going your way. It’s a lot harder when medical bills are threatening to destroy everything you’ve worked for, and you’re too sick to earn the money to pay them yourself.

Kip Hooker
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October 29, 2013 9:13 am

@Oblivia

“As I recall, the much ballyhooed Ayn Rand was also a libertarian with a capital L.”

You recall incorrectly. Ayn Rand was never a member of the Libertarian Party. Nor was she that enthralled with libertarians in general.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ar_libertarianism_qa

And while there is much overlap there are deep contrasts as well. For me I admire a lot about the philosophy but find the Galt’s Gulch segments of Atlas Shrugged to be irksomely Utopian. Also I cannot fundamentally agree to Objectivism as if a proper system of quantification could be implemented then surely it could be argued that the most logical conclusion of this philosophy would be one where utility trumped individual liberty. Also great men/women are nice but her notion of them is romanticized and discounts the importance of the little guy shaking up the system as well as his contributions.

“But her libertarian principles went right down the toilet when she was diagnosed with cancer, and had the opportunity to sign up for Medicare, and have Uncle Sam foot the bill instead of herself.”

What is anti-libertarian about expecting to receive some benefit from a system you were forced to pay for?

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 9:20 am

Kip, it’s an ultrapopular misconception on the right that social security and Medicare always, and only, pay you back what you paid in.

In fact, if you look at one of those social security statements, showing what you’ve paid in throughout your lifetime, you’ll see that it isn’t all that much. Even if it’s adjusted for inflation, you go through the money you paid into it within a very few years. Ditto for Medicare. Hence, unless you die within, say, 3 or 4 years of retirement, and don’t have any lingering and expensive catastrophic illnesses, you will indeed be supported by others at some point during your retirement. Which is why many right wingers keep clamoring to raise the retirement age.

The whole diatribe you posted here about Ayn Rand’s philosophy doesn’t sound at all like your writing, and I can’t think what it’s got to do with the fact that Rand opposed the idea of government benefits. Which is certainly a libertarian philosophy, even if she didn’t describe herself as such.

Kip Hooker
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October 29, 2013 9:59 am

I will never be paid back what I put into Social Security. There aren’t enough people in my generation to keep the ponzi scheme going.

And if what I had paid/will pay into Social Security had been invested then (averaged out over five decades and taking into account compound interest) then what Social Security pays out would be easily dwarfed even if I immediately cashed out at age 70 and never drew another dime of interest off the investment.

“The whole diatribe you posted here about Ayn Rand’s philosophy doesn’t sound at all like your writing”

Really? A belief in chaos theory, a practically non quantifiable universe, the import of small business and the little man over giants that almost always become imperial in their beliefs and actions. None of these sound like me? You have got to start paying attention.

“and I can’t think what it’s got to do with the fact that Rand opposed the idea of government benefits. Which is certainly a libertarian philosophy, even if she didn’t describe herself as such.”

That wasn't what that part was supposed to do at all. It was supposed to point out that you don't know the difference between Rand, libertarians and Libertarians. Which you didn't. No need to thank me. I always enjoy teaching you something new.

As for the last part I will say it again. What is not libertarian about expecting some small benefit back from what has been taken from you?

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 10:09 am

As for the last part I will say it again. What is not libertarian about expecting some small benefit back from what has been taken from you?
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I’ve got a great example. The government gives you much, and in return expects you to pay your taxes. The right constantly balk at taxes, but are first in line when the goodies are being handed out.

That’s not “libertarian” at all. That’s just plain, old-fashioned me-first selfishness.

That silly “Ponzi scheme” talking point might be popular on the Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity circuit, but it’s just the usual rob-the-poor-to-reward-the-rich scheming so beloved of GOP financial backers.

Kip Hooker
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October 29, 2013 10:13 am

Yeah medicaid and social security. Crap systems that can’t compete with what we could have had if our property and labor hadn’t been confiscated. Awesome goodies. I’ll pass . . . oh wait I cant. Contribution is mandatory.

That silly “Ponzi scheme” talking point might be popular on the Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity circuit, but it’s just the usual rob-the-poor-to-reward-the-rich scheming so beloved of GOP financial backers.

Right. Because funding a system off of an ever expanding base that will crash just as soon as the size of the base isn’t as large as the row above it isn’t a pyramid scheme. Who knew?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 9:39 am

Actually hardly ANYONE on Social Security thinks that. Perhaps a few very elderly from the Greatest generation. But is IS a pension plan. You (and most everyone else) pays into it, and when you retire, f you have worked an adequate amount of “quarters” you qualify forbasic Medicare, with the option of purchasing some extra parts of the lan. Railroad pensions work uch the same, only I think the work time reqired is a little lower.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 6:24 am

Here’s something I just got in an email that is very pertinent to this conversation:

If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

If a Republican doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
If a Democrat doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
If a Democrat is down-and-out he wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Republican doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
A Democrat demands that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
If a Democrat decides he needs health care, he demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a Republican reads this, he’ll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A Democrat will delete it because he’s “offended”.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 6:32 am

Except for the fact that the whole thing is a lie, designed to mislead gullible right wingers like yourself.

Most of those anonymous “pass this e mail on to everyone you know” spam pieces ARE lies. But no one ever accused you, Poopajoe, of having an overabundance of critical thinking skills.

danybhoy
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danybhoy
October 31, 2013 3:26 am

Useful idiot.

Kip Hooker
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October 29, 2013 7:09 am

@PJ49

I hereby accuse you of having an overabundance of critical thinking skills.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 28, 2013 9:21 pm

I R the first graduate of the “Thumb down Olivia Institute of troll removal”…I graduated at the head of my class…..And I have a job I love, but I still don’t have health insurance…..

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 4:21 am

Well, if the GOP had their way, Silent, you’d be forced to choose between the job you love, and affordable health care.

Obama is trying to make it possible for you to have both. How funny that you’re fighting so hard for the “right” to be financially insecure.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 8:57 am

Now where are you gtting this from? Talk about pulling s*** out of your ass with no documentation, no link to reality at all. The GOP isn’t trying to make him choose anything, BY CHOICE, he has the job he loves and pays cash. Maybe that will change in the future, Maybe not, but you are hardly in a position to challenge his choice, since it costs no one at this point, and besides, for all you know he has enough money tucked away to pay millions for care. You don’t know so quit making glib assumptions!

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 9:05 am

Sorry, Rose, but if Poopajoe has “millions tucked away,” there’s no reason his wife would have had to go without insurance since she lost her good job with benefits.

It’s kind of you to try to run interference for him, but he’s already described his position in detail—-and made it clear that he’s NOT rich.

The bottom line, as I said before, is one of two things.

Either they’re just boycotting insurance in a childish attempt to spite Obama, in which case they’re setting themselves up for big problems someday, or

they truly can’t afford to pay for insurance, in which case they, of all people, should be pushing for better regulation of the industry.

In neither case does Poopajoe come off looking particularly clever, patriotic, fiscally savvy, or knowledgeable about age related medical problems.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 9:33 am

I don’t need to run interference for Poppa. He can handle himself. I am merely pointing out the bias of your arguments to him and by extension, to all of us, since you think we are like the borg and all think alike. Besides, I think you wre responding to a post from Kick, and now its gone. Did you delete Kick?

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 2:08 pm

I don’t need to run interference for Poppa. He can handle himself.
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Really? So far, he’s doing a pretty poor job of it, because he can’t seem to keep his stories straight.
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I am merely pointing out the bias of your arguments to him and by extension, to all of us, since you think we are like the borg and all think alike.
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But you do all think alike. Not one of you except Alien (who is what I would call a genuine free thinker), has agreed with any sentiment I’ve expressed here—-not even when I’ve said something positive toward or about one of you. It’s all the same old bashing, name calling and parroting of the latest right wing buzzword du jour.
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Besides, I think you wre responding to a post from Kick, and now its gone. Did you delete Kick?
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No, Rose, I haven’t “deleted Kick.” For one thing, I have no idea how I’d do that, and, for another, I have no wish to silence any of you. Quite the contrary, in fact.

Ever think that maybe Kick deleted his own post, because he decided that wasn’t what he wanted to say?

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
October 29, 2013 11:23 pm

“But you do all think alike. Not one of you except Alien (who is what I would call a genuine free thinker), has agreed with any sentiment I’ve expressed here—”

Now I’m throwing the bs flag and penalizing you 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct while taking extreme umbrage at the rudeness of that comment because I’ve agreed with you here in the past. More than once. On the few occasions when you dropped the hyperbole and blanket statements and actually tried to make a valid point.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 30, 2013 2:29 am

When have you ever agreed with me, Ghost?

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
October 30, 2013 8:57 am

Several times back in the day before you went “all the caustic talking points fit (or not) to print” and began your crusade to fill every thread you touch with invectiveness. Not to spark debate in the arena of ideas but to push emotional buttons.

I was even taken to task once, something like “don’t encourage her by agreeing, she’ll just want more attention”, Ha. If memory serves you even responded to that particular comment and backed me up in your own backhanded, convoluted way. Not my problem if you don’t remember.

I stopped reading and giving you the benefit of the doubt during your unconscionable defense of the short-eyed cartoon freak here all those many, many moons ago. And you’ve sealed the deal with your ongoing supererogatory courteous allowance for all things muslim in this county because it’s their “culture”(whatever the hell that means, beheadings, forced marriages, rape and honor killings are longtime fixtures of that antediluvian “culture” too).

So please, if you would, remember Mr. Miyagi’s fence painting lessons and stop spattering me with your broad brush. And while we’re at it, “Wax on, wax off”.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 2, 2013 11:48 am

She remembers, don’t you be fooled. She claims amnesia (which given he number of posts she creates actually seems likely) but evey now and again, she slips, harks back to a post from millinia ago and proves she really does remember, she just got had and doesn’t want to suffer it again.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
November 2, 2013 10:57 am

Poppajoe….With her it’s..”These are not the roids your looking for”……

flashingscotsman
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October 31, 2013 9:04 am

Last turd for this morning. I gotta go do stuff.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 31, 2013 5:14 am

Ghost, all I can make out of that jumbled flight of ideas is:

1) You don’t care if I can’t remember your post(s). Fine. But then don’t complain about it if I forget them.

2) You don’t like the way I treat Muslims as individual human beings, instead of lumping them all together as some sort of monsters in a horror comic book. Tough toenails, my boy. I don’t buy into the anti-Muslim hysteria that some of you spew. I know better than that—-and so, by the way, should you.

3) If you don’t want to be spattered with a broad brush, then, for pity’s sake, stop spattering OTHERS with a broad brush.

4) I have absolutely no idea what you’re referring to, with the “short-eyed cartoon freak” comment. But that’s okay—-I’m really not interested in having you clarify.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 31, 2013 3:36 am

“These are not the droids you are looking for.”

danybhoy
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danybhoy
October 31, 2013 3:24 am

Ghost, you hit on it…

Not to spark debate in the arena of ideas but to push emotional buttons.

…that is what makes the liberal/progressive mind tick. It’s always about emotions, that & the central planning vs nihilism argument. It’s all the left has.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 10:08 pm

That question was aimed at Kick about his own post. You are NOT the center of the universe.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 3, 2013 1:16 pm

GH! I found it. It was Not so, not kick who made the comment. Sorry Notsosilent. My bad!

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:24 am

There is nothing affordable about this healthcare law.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 6:33 am

Hey, if you can’t afford the insurance policy you want, how about getting up off that underworked butt and getting a (first or second) job, so you CAN afford it?

Isn’t that the same pat remedy you righties constantly recommend to the nation’s poor?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 8:59 am

When have you ever heard someone say tht? We have said if one is able, they shoold work doing something. But I have never heard anyone on this board, nor even any politician clain that someone hould have to have 2-3 jobs to pay for insurance. You are spreadng lies, Olivia, and they are far worse than any you have accused us of making.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 9:14 am

You really, truly haven’t said that people should take financial responsibility for their own health insurance, even if it means taking on an extra job? Oh, well, then, I stand corrected. So, if a person has a job that doesn’t pay benefits (like, say, working at WalMart), and doesn’t pay enough to allow him to buy his own insurance, what is your position?

Do you blame him for taking the job, even if you’re aware that he had few or no alternatives?

Or do you speak up, like me, and put pressure on these companies to pay their employees a living wage, and/or offer affordable health insurance as a benefit?

Or do you believe that it’s the government’s job to provide that insurance for employees who don’t get paid much?

Or do you chicken out of the issue entirely, not wanting to admit that you don’t care what happens to people without insurance, as long as you’ve got yours?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 9:27 am

I know lots of people who don’t have isurance. Or the insurance their job offers is worthless. My own children went wthout insurance, despite working 2 jobs each, becase they could not afford the premiums on a plan that would actually cover anything. One of them got VERY ill, and worked out a payment plan to the hospial over several months. Now both of them work in differenct jobs, and have insurane, but they haven’t heard what changes might be instore with Obamacare.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 2:14 pm

I know lots of people who don’t have isurance. Or the insurance their job offers is worthless. My own children went wthout insurance, despite working 2 jobs each, becase they could not afford the premiums on a plan that would actually cover anything.
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And apparently you thought such a situation was fine and dandy for Americans to endure, since you so opposed Obama resolving to fix it?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 10:07 pm

I resist Obamacare because it isn’t going to work. It has more bugs that the website.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
November 2, 2013 5:17 pm

You know what’s funny about that Rose?
She claims that she deletes 3/4 of the post emails, but she manages to reply to EVERY post she TINKS she has a chance to win the argument with, but never seems to find the ones she can’t refute.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 2, 2013 10:37 am

And I see that this is one of those posts that get deleted without her reading them. Yeah, right.

http://youtu.be/uPPXO4EQmHA

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 1, 2013 12:16 pm
poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 31, 2013 8:46 pm

BULLSHIT!
All you care about is how you can win an argument, and making your president look good, even if it’s at the expense of the healthcare of over 250 million people. You don’t give a shit that 250 million people are paying more for healthcare, lose the policies they have had for years, and are bankrupted by the new rates and deductibles, as long as a small number of people who are otherwise uninsurable, get covered at a price that nobody woud have offered, and someone else pays for it!
Got a link to show I’m wrong?
I didn’t think so.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 31, 2013 6:45 am

In one situation, there was a primary doctor that lived on an island off RhodeIsland. It has about 1000 yearround residents, and in the summer is a big tourist stop. Now there is no doctor there. If one is ill, they have to fly or take a ferry 11 miles to the coast. And in bad weather, neither optionis available. Explain to me how their acess to care has improved?
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It hasn’t, of course, if what you say is true. But I’m still waiting for you to tell me how YOU think health care reform should have been done. You’re worried to death over 1000 Rhode Island residents; well, I’m worried about the 50 MILLION who had no health care plan prior to the ACA.

In the best of all possible worlds, this plan would roll out without a single hitch, and no Americans at all would be disappointed by it. But this is the real world, and we’re inevitably going to see a lot of glitches, just as we did when social security and Medicare were rolled out.

Most of the gripes the right seems to have have been the result of insurance company business decisions. Which serves only to reinforce what I’ve said at least two dozen times here: anyone who won’t trust the government to do right by you, but DOES trust Big Business to give YOUR well-being precedence over profit potential, is a fool.

Yet the right keeps arguing that, if only we would give the insurance industry MORE power and FEWER regulations, they’d make us all happy and contented for a very small price.

Now, I ask you: does that even make sense?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 30, 2013 5:44 pm

MGAP, I saw a truck with a pic of Obama on the back, it said:
“Does this ass make my truck look big?”

MGAP
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MGAP
October 30, 2013 1:33 pm

It’s easy to trash existing law. It’s a lot harder to come up with an alternate idea that would work better, for less money. And I don’t mean a cop-out like arguing that if people just worked harder they could afford to buy a private policy on their own. Let’s stick with the real world on this one.
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Translation; I’m a communist and don’t know better. Do these panties make my ass look big?

Olivia
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Olivia
October 30, 2013 12:58 pm

Never mind, Rose. I found the story on a right wing website.

It appears that “booting” these physicians was a business decision by the insurance company, which is obviously looking for cost cutting measures.

That’s the problem with a health care system that’s heavily dependent on for-profit companies: those companies are going to do whatever they can to enhance profits, whether or not that was the intention when the act was passed.

I see a lot of you here hoping against hope that the ACA will fail. Well, I think it’s much too early to tell how it will do in the long term, but I would like to know what YOUR solution is. So far, I’ve seen chorus after chorus after chorus of “DOWN WITH OBAMACARE!”….but the only alternative solution offered has been “Allow insurance companies to sell across state lines.”

Great. The GOP solution to the health care crisis is to deregulate insurance companies still further (because of course they would all immediately flock to the state with the laxest regulations). Which will do nothing for the people who are unprofitable to insure. Whether 5 or 5000 companies are competing for business, NONE of them are going to be interested in signing up the unprofitable customers. Which is exactly why government is involved with health care in the first place.

So chew on that for a bit. I’m off to sleep before work tonight, so I won’t be around much for a few hours. When I’m back, I’d love to see your ideas of how to fix our broken health care system, since it’s obvious that you don’t like Obama’s ideas.

It’s easy to trash existing law. It’s a lot harder to come up with an alternate idea that would work better, for less money. And I don’t mean a cop-out like arguing that if people just worked harder they could afford to buy a private policy on their own. Let’s stick with the real world on this one.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 30, 2013 12:45 pm

It was reported only yesterday that thousands of doctors have been booted off United Healthcare’s MMedicare C plans. Those are the medicare advantage plans. No reson has been given for the suspensions, and those same doctors still have active contracts for the non medicare policies. Where arethosepeople going to go? In one situation, there was a primary doctor that lived on an island off RhodeIsland. It has about 1000 yearround residents, and in the summer is a big tourist stop. Now there is no doctor there. If one is ill, they have to fly or take a ferry 11 miles to the coast. And in bad weather, neither optionis available. Explain to me how their acess to care has improved?
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Let’s see now. You’ve just paraphrased a story to me, without bothering to provide a link, which tells me that you’re not too interested in accuracy.

Tell you what: provide the link (preferably to a reasonably unbiased source rather than an ‘ain’t it awful” opinion piece), and then we’ll discuss what’s going on and why.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 30, 2013 12:13 pm

Becasue I am listening to the experts that say this is a nightmare. It was reported only yesterday that thousands of doctors have been booted off United Healthcare’s MMedicare C plans. Those are the medicare advantage plans. No reson has been given for the suspensions, and those same doctors still have active contracts for the non medicare policies. Where arethosepeople going to go? In one situation, there was a primary doctor that lived on an island off RhodeIsland. It has about 1000 yearround residents, and in the summer is a big tourist stop. Now there is no doctor there. If one is ill, they have to fly or take a ferry 11 miles to the coast. And in bad weather, neither optionis available. Explain to me how their acess to care has improved? And yes, I think I am as able if not more so to understand Obamacare and its fallacies over any Democrat. What, being a Democrat makes you all knowing? ‘Fraid not.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 30, 2013 2:36 am

And you’re convinced that you’re better qualified than any Democrat to predict “Obamacare’s” future success or failure, because……?

Rose, you’ve already been reminded that ANY program of this magnitude and complexity will have plenty of glitches when it’s first rolled out. If you’re that concerned about it not working, why not urge your Republican representatives to stop trying to sabotage it, and start helping to make it a success?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:29 pm

Over 40 posts on this thread alone in one day by an obsessive compulsive, libtard, troll!
That must be some kind of record. That many posts without making a bit of sense.
In fact, making 88 posts on a single thread without making sense must also be a record. However, I fully expect that record to be broken when she wakes up and comes back here for her next round of obsessing over being right, no matter how wrong she is.
That said, I’m done with this thread. She has gone over the top, attacking my wife, without any knowlege of the woman, in her quest to one-up someone. It is getting tiresome, and I feel no further need to explain myself, my wife, or our choices. Let it be said that we are doing what is best for us, and nothing Oblivious thinks will change that.

flashingscotsman
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October 31, 2013 9:01 am

Imagine being around her in person. You’d never get a word in edgewise. Of course, you’d die on the floor with a puddle blood running from your ears, but that’s just details.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 30, 2013 5:41 pm

And, even better, she won’t come here and say anything in her defense, because she knows it would be an admission of guilt.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 30, 2013 12:08 pm

She is a narcissist. Probably why she loves Obama so. Birds of a feather, you know? She is truly convinced in her warped mind that her point of view and her take on anything is the absolutel correct one, and she is frustrated, because she can’t understand why no one will gt on board with what she has to say, think, do whatever. The idea tha maybe, just maybe, sheis off a little in her analysis eith er neveroccurs to her, or if it does, she immediately shakes her head ans says, that’s not the problem. Its our unillingness to bend to her will that is the problem.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 30, 2013 3:48 am

And, I was right. It didn’t even have to take until the next morning before she got her second ill wind and restart being the nasty bitch we all know.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:07 pm

Seriously Olivia, you need to do something about this obsession you have. 11 hours of nonstop bitching at everyone here? Your daddy issues are much worse than even I thought. Isn’t it time for you to get a life? What does your husband think about all the time you spend here trying to prove you’re right and everyone else is wrong, or is he just enjoying the peace and quiet? I’m sure he must be drinking heavily after all this time being married to you.

flashingscotsman
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October 29, 2013 8:09 am

Two more smelly turds.

My Dear Sweet Olivia can’t get it through her head that the problem isn’t getting the insurance PJ WANTS, but being able to afford the insurance that Obamacare is FORCING on him.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 8:17 am

Flash, Obama isn’t “forcing” anything on Poopajoe. If he and his wife choose, they can get up off their butts and WORK to buy any insurance plan they wish, up to and including the BC/BS policy he said she wants. But they don’t want to do that—-so they’re stuck with options they don’t like.

I repeat: you right wingnuts are so fond of demanding that “those people” who receive “welfare” stop lolling around expecting everyone else to give them what they want, and go work for it. Well, how come, when one of your own sits on his derriere and demands that Obama give his wife BC/BS for the prices whe wants to pay, you’re all blaming Obama but not the energy-challenged guy who’s doing the demanding?

Seems to me that that means either that

1) Poopajoe and his wife aren’t very interested in working to improve their lot, or

2) maybe financially strapped people DON’T have all those rosy options that you keep insisting poor people have, but just don’t want to take advantage of.

So which is it, Flash? Is Poopajoe a lazy “gimme” person, or is it that he doesn’t have the options that you righties INSIST that everyone has, and that only laziness prevents them from accessing?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 9:21 am

Where do you get off saying Poppa desn’t work? Or that his wife doesn’t work? You are confabulating agan Livvy. Go take your meds.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 2:11 pm

I didn’t say he and his wife don’t work, Rose. I said he’s whining about being unable to afford insurance for her. I merely suggested that he take his own advice (the advice he’s so handy with for selected poor Americans) and work harder to make more money.

I was being satirical, of course (just to give him an idea of how insensitive he sounds when he accuses the poor of being lazy), but I see it flew right over his and your heads.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 10:06 pm

And of course not knowing Jack about pools, you are unaware that Poops’ s medical conditions qualify him for disability. But instead of taking it, he continues to work for everything he wants/needs. You know NOTHING about us, but you are more than ready to make sweeping,incorrect assumptions about all of us. Why don’t you give us the same. Courtesy you extend to all receiving government assistance. They all deserve it. Maybe we do too. And most of those who work work fulltime, while you work part time and live off the money your spouse earns.

flashingscotsman
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October 31, 2013 8:58 am

I guess I should work harder too. I’d LOVE to have My Dear Sweet Olivia follow me around for a day of my work. Not DO the work, mind you, just follow me around. She’d pass out from the exertion. Right after scaring all my customers away.

And by the way, I also qualify for disability. I would get a much nicer retirement check, on top of the disability payment, if I filed. But then I wouldn’t be allowed to do my job, and I love my job.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 30, 2013 12:03 pm

You beleive everything thelibs tell you. I research and apply my knowlege and education, andexperience which tells me they are wrong. When you have spents some 20 years dealing with medicaid and welfare recipients, we’ll talk. Until then you are speaking out your backside, because you know nothing of what goes on. MMany are legitimately in need of alll the assistance we can provide and then some. But a sigificant number are scamming the system. And getting hooked into federal assistance, immediatleymakes them eligible for all sorts of other things. Charities provide Thankgiving and Christmas dinners, toys for the childen, free books and shoes, supplies and unforms for schooll It is not right for the scammers to take tese free things when others who actually DO Need them are felt out in the cold. Right now my Church has started it Worhipper for Warmth campaign. THey collect coats, blankets. mittens, hats gloves, scarves etc and istribute them to the refugees in our area. Another group monthly offers personal hygeine items, clothing, and school supplies, as well as children’sbooks. If they need it, I am all for them getting it. But I despise the cheaters, the scammers who take what they don’t need but would simply rather have to not pay.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 30, 2013 2:50 am

And of course not knowing Jack about pools, you are unaware that Poops’ s medical conditions qualify him for disability. But instead of taking it, he continues to work for everything he wants/needs. You know NOTHING about us, but you are more than ready to make sweeping,incorrect assumptions about all of us.
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You really aren’t very good at grasping irony, are you, Rose?

I’ve already explained to you, at least twice, in detail, that I’m showing you right wingers exactly why it’s a bad idea to make snap assumptions about people you don’t know.

My comments above are virtually identical to the comments you, Poopajoe and just about everyone else on this board made about those phantom “welfare” recipients you love to bash. You know, the ones that you ASSUME “refuse” to work, who always have their hands out demanding that “Uncle Sugar” give them “free stuff”?

I’m sitting her observing you wax indignant that anyone would DARE make such unfair assumptions about one of their own…..yet you’re willing to do the very same thing to people you don’t know, who (unlike Poopajoe) don’t get a chance to defend themselves to you.

See? That’s why IT’S ALWAYS A BAD IDEA TO MAKE BIGOTED ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT OTHERS. That’s why it’s always a bad idea to support legislation designed to punish a faceless group, rather than legislation designed to benefit all.

Bleeding heart liberal that I am, I’m willing to vote for measures that would ENSURE that Poopajoe and his wife need never play Russian roulette with their health again. I WANT to see his wife able to afford to go to the doctor, to get mammograms and Pap tests and colonoscopies and routine blood work and full physicals at the prescribed intervals.

But I also want to see every other American have that opportunity, regardless of race, ethnicity, age, marital status, creed (or lack thereof), sexual orientation and whether or not some myopic right winger thinks s/he’s a bum. I realize (as apparently most of you don’t) that denying affordable health care to tens of millions, like refusing to change the oil in your car, is a false economy, and will result in huge, preventable expenses and waste further down the road.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:20 am
sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 8:52 am

She likely won’t even look at it. It might challenge her adoraton of all things Obama.

PsychoDad
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October 28, 2013 9:03 am

Oh gang, it’s better, er worse, er, however you want to frame it:

“If those who are being dropped by their insurance companies due to #Obamacare (16 million) made up a state, it would be 5th largest in U.S.”

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2013/10/week-two-of-obamacare-federal-health.html#more

http://twitchy.com/2013/10/28/bam-rep-price-puts-the-o-care-cancellation-notice-avalanche-in-devastating-perspective/

Gee, what ever happened to “If you like your current plan, you can keep it?”

Olivia
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Olivia
October 28, 2013 2:22 pm

Psycho, those are opinion pieces you’re citing there, not information pieces. Did you not notice that Price didn’t bother to back up his claim with statistics? That your whole argument here is based on an unsubstantiated Twitter comment?

PsychoDad
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October 28, 2013 9:07 am

Ha ha, all those married queer guys have to have maternity coverage, isn’t that part of the problem?!? LOL, what was a catastrophic fustercluck.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 28, 2013 9:13 am

You do realize, don’t you, that homosexual women (called “lesbians,” in case you hadn’t heard of them before) can and do get pregnant, and require the same medical assistance that heterosexual women in the same situation require?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:12 am

Reading and comprehension my bitch:

all those married queer guys

What part of GUYS don’t you understand?

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 4:20 am

So do you have statistics showing that a large percentage of male same-sex couples are ‘demanding’ insurance coverage for obstetrical visits and procedures?

Didn’t think so.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:23 am

Dumb scrunt, it is a requirement of Obamacare! They don’t want or need it, but are being forced to carry it, just like my post menopausal wife would be.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 4:29 am

And, again, Poopajoe, that’s the nature of health insurance.

Apparently you have very little experience with choosing or buying health insurance policies, if you didn’t know that they’re not usually custom tailored to suit each client’s needs.

They’re like those baseball caps with the plastic tab on the back to adjust to the size of the individual’s head: it’s a whole lot more economical for the company to offer one-size-fits-all policies, than it is to create a different one for each person.

Keep on going, Poopajoe. The more you argue about this issue, the more obvious it becomes that you’re expecting something for nothing, or at least a whole lot for very little. You want a custom tailored policy for your wife; be prepared to pay for the privilege.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 3, 2013 1:11 pm

The hats you reference aren’t “one size fits all.” THey are adjustable to fit the individual. Just saying.

Olivia
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Olivia
November 3, 2013 1:23 pm

The hats you reference aren’t “one size fits all.” THey are adjustable to fit the individual. Just saying.
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Yes, Rose, that was my point. That’s why I used the term “to adjust to the size of the individual’s head” in my post.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 3, 2013 11:42 pm

But you compared them to Insurance policies that ARE one size fits all. as opposed to clients being able to choose some of the services provided in their insurance, and refuse those they will never need or use.

flashingscotsman
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October 31, 2013 8:53 am

Just had this discussion yesterday with a leftist moron on FB. He seems to think that, just as I pay taxes to support schools, even though I don’t have any kids, I should pay insurance to cover maternity care, even though neither I, nor anyone I might have sex with, will ever get pregnant.

Then he brought up the fact that I’m required to carry insurance on my truck, by the State of California. Yes, I am. But only liability is required. If I want other kinds of coverage, I can purchase those separately. And if I didn’t own a truck, I wouldn’t be required to carry insurance on one. I don’t OWN a vagina, nor do I OWN a penis that can impregnate one. (having had a vasectomy 36 years ago) Therefore, I shouldn’t be required to pay for insurance against an eventuality that can never possibly happen.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 31, 2013 8:52 pm

But, your truck might get him pregnant, so you need that coverage!

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 1, 2013 12:09 pm

Actually, yes, if she still drives AT ALL. In Texas, she is required to carry a non-owner’s policy to cover her liability at least if she is in a crash!

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
November 1, 2013 9:05 am

And what about my dear 97 yr. old G-ma (bless her heart)? She doesn’t own a truck (or car), should she be required to have insurance too?

flashingscotsman
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November 1, 2013 8:57 am

That’s true. In the wacko world of the left.

flashingscotsman
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October 29, 2013 8:04 am

A nice, fresh, steaming, morning turd.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:32 am

Jesus Christ, you are spinning so badly that I’m not at all surprised you’re so fucking dizzy!

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 28, 2013 1:05 pm

What does that have to do with anything? The thread states a shitload of people are getting canned by their insurance, because te new policies have higher requirements that the old ones. That’s it. It really is happening across the nation and no amount of unicorn farts is going to make it any different. You have arrgued allla around the subject, but caregull avoided the trugh that has been deliniated. It doesn’t matter how we feel about insurance, or the need to cover the uninsured, or their need for insurance. IN leading up to this boondoggle that I have always said has nothing to do with healthcare, and is all about PAYMENT for healthcare. And the lies we were told, and the political manipulations done to gt the bill passed again, had nothing to do with improving life for the impoverished. We were lied to again and again,, and now that they are trying to roll it out, the lies come tumbling out right along with it. You unwillingness or inability to see what’s right in front of you is exactly what I meant about treating Obama as a messiah.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 31, 2013 5:55 am

And the lies we were told, and the political manipulations done to gt the bill passed again, had nothing to do with improving life for the impoverished.
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Actually, yes, it did, but FAUX News would never in a million years admit it to you.

Besides, what do you care? The Republicans (and FAUX News, their 24/7 propaganda service) have shown zero interest in “improving life for the impoverished.” Their focus, all along, has been that we shouldn’t care about helping the poor, because they’re all lazy bums who don’t want to help themselves.

You seem to be just fine and dandy with that attitude….so why are you now bitching about the Democrats supposedly not caring enough?

flashingscotsman
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October 31, 2013 8:47 am

Never hurts to have two morning turds, though. I think I’ll go for three.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 31, 2013 6:09 am

And, once again, you prove that you don’t read, or comprehend, or you simply refuse to accept the fact that Rose has told you hundreds of times that she doesn’t get FOX News, she doesn’t have cable. But then you don’t care, because it gets in the way of your prepared narrative.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 28, 2013 2:10 pm

Rose, I’d like to see your statistics supporting your claim that “a shitload of people are getting canned by their insurance.”

Once you’ve produced that (yeah, right), maybe you can tell us what YOU think should be done to ensure that all Americans have affordable health care. And please don’t even bother trotting out the usual “Allow insurance companies to sell across state lines” and “Let the free market take care of it” right wing mantra. Those ideas will do zilch for those who most need insurance right now—–i.e., the ones who didn’t have and couldn’t get affordable health care prior to reform measures.

I’m also not a bit interested in the glib right wing “most of them don’t deserve insurance because they’re too lazy” excuse. Unless you’re prepared to come out and admit that you’re fine with condemning selected Americans to untreated disease and premature death, that’s just a cowardly evasion from the issue.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 8:48 am

Oh, Livvy, Livvy, Livvy. How little faith!

http://youtu.be/q3wf1XptDhE

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:15 am

We’ve already posted links to ABC, NBC, and CBS stories that hundreds of thousands in Florida and California have lost their insurance. In fact, this thread is all about that, it’s just that you have so badly hijacked it, that you forgot what the OP was all about.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 28, 2013 12:58 pm

Invitro fertilization. VEEEERRYY expensive.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 28, 2013 2:04 pm

Rose, a woman without fertility issues doesn’t need in vitro fertilization. To put it bluntly, a willing donor and a turkey baster syringe will do just as well.

Heterosexual women have been known to use the same technique.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 8:45 am

Actually, that is a fallacy. It is a delicate procedure, and doesn’t always “take” even if done in a doctor’s office wilth a well trained physican. I can’t believe as a nurse you would reference a turkey baster. Oh, wait. Yeah, I guess I can.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 12:06 pm

I’m just telling it like it is, Rose. Not everyone runs to a doctor when they want to get pregnant, but don’t have, and aren’t looking for, a boyfriend or a husband.

I didn’t realize it was inappropriate for nurses to know about turkey basters. Would it make it less offensive to you if I called it an irrigation syringe instead?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 30, 2013 11:54 am

I am not surprise you know of them. I am surprised that you would in any way refer to them as a way to get artificially inseminated. Cows get better tha that!

Olivia
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Olivia
October 31, 2013 5:51 am

Rose, I didn’t say I admire or recommend the turkey baster procedure—-I just pointed out that people sometimes use such methods.

Makes more sense, I guess, then having sex with someone who means nothing to you, except as a sperm donor. And it definitely makes more sense than going to a fertility specialist, if you don’t have a problem with infertility.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:13 am

Amazing that someone who is supposed to be a medical professional actually believes that bullshit.

Alien
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Alien
November 1, 2013 1:07 pm

You think a turkey baster wouldn’t work? (context is women without fertility issues)

It’d be highly unpleasant, but I’m sure my untrained medical self could pull it off

Olivia
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Olivia
November 2, 2013 1:15 am

It’d be highly unpleasant, but I’m sure my untrained medical self could pull it off
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….speaking figuratively, I assume……….? ;>)

BlizzardCreek
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BlizzardCreek
November 3, 2013 11:34 am

Olivia,

I have been reading your posts for a while. I must say that you are one intelligent person who is quite knowledgeable. Have you ever considered making a blog with all the writing you have done? I’m sure it would be a great hit.

Keep up the good work. Even though you may have a lot of downvotes, there are many people out there who admire your posts.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
November 7, 2013 8:51 pm

Olivia’s boyfriend, and cat sitter….no surprise there..

sa_rose
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sa_rose
November 3, 2013 1:09 pm

A blog would be great. SHe could spew there and we could CHOOSE whether we want to see it or not, and our in boxes will be free and easy once more.

Olivia
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Olivia
November 3, 2013 12:09 pm

Thank you, Blizzard. :>D

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
November 3, 2013 11:39 am

Obviously, the low info voters reelected Obama after all.

GhostntheMachine
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GhostntheMachine
November 1, 2013 2:50 pm

Don’t forget the standing on the head and the important role gravity plays in that highly complex medical procedure.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 29, 2013 10:23 am

Its nothing but talking points..Libtards can’t function without them or a teleprompter……I doubt she is in the medical profession, that came up the last time the ghost of libtards past visited IHTM….I am thinking she is more of a floor scrubber on the night shift at some board and care facility where the patients rot in their own filth….But hey I could be just “picking” on the libtard since nothing I say about her is P.C. anymore…

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 12:07 pm

Silent? I never claimed to be in the “medical profession,” as that would make me a physician. I’m in the nursing profession.

The rest of your post is a transparent attempt at insults, to cover up for the fact that you can’t refute my comments here.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 30, 2013 11:53 am

HAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Everyone on this board has refuted yourt points Livvy! With links to variousdocuments, youtue recordings, etc to support what they say, You rarely, if ever provide link to anything. You comments are just that. our comments. They have no basis in fact, and as such, are generally wrong when examined. You are SOOOOOO delusional! God Help you husband. well, I guess he must live in LALA land as well.

Olivia
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Olivia
November 1, 2013 12:33 pm

HAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Everyone on this board has refuted yourt points Livvy! With links to variousdocuments, youtue recordings, etc to support what they say
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Wrong, Rose. The fact is that many of those “cancellations” are due to the fact that certain highly profitable insurance practices (like arbitrarily cancelling when the insuree gets seriously ill, or lifetiime ceilings on mental health treatment) are no longer legal. Obviously, these policies have to be revamped in order to meet the new guidelines.

That’s no more scandalous than it would be for a baby crib manufacturer to recall a bunch of cribs because they were painted in China, using paint containing lead, which is illegal here in the U.S. But saying, “Thousands of insurance policies have been pulled out of circulation because they need to be altered to conform with the new laws” doesn’t grab the attention as readily as “THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS JUST LOST THEIR INSURANCE AS A RESULT OF ‘OBAMACARE’!”

That’s one mistake you keep making here: you watch a Youtube video (which, 9 times out of 10, has been carefully edited to shape your thinking), and take it as gospel instead of going to the trouble to get the whole story. Of course, that’s exactly what the right WANTS you to do. It’s called “stacking the deck,” and is yet another classic propaganda technique.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/31/us-usa-healthcare-cigna-idUSBRE99U15O20131031

flashingscotsman
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October 31, 2013 8:46 am

That’s what I was looking for. A nice steaming morning turd. Now I can go on about my business for the day.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 31, 2013 5:46 am

Still way better than the links you provide, oh, wait, you don’t provide any links, just your opinion, which is totally worthless.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 31, 2013 5:43 am

Rose, I hate to burst your bubble, but most of the links provided here (by you as well as some others) are hardly reliable. Take, for example, your Youtube link related to the Cinco de Mayo T shirt case. It was supposedly a news show, but it was obviously designed to elicit a particular response from viewers. Watch it again, and notice the first thing out of the guy’s mouth. Not an overall synopsis of the incident, as would be standard for news reporting, but a question to the audience as to whether they thought the school’s actions were “fair.”

That’s not news. That’s political cheerleading. And it’s worth LESS than providing no link at all, because such tactics often stack the deck, thereby slanting the viewer’s perception before s/he even hears the story.

PsychoDad
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October 28, 2013 9:49 am

How does a faithfully married lez get pregnant?

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 2:35 am

I’d like to read the article you’re citing, Poopajoe. Got a link to it?

I really, really hope it’s a bona fide news article, and not one of those National Enquirer style “this is outrageous!” liefests that you usually seem to get your information from. If it turns out to be true (which is a big IF) that makes about as fine a case for fully socialized medicine as anything I’ve yet seen.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 3:21 am

Talk about unbelievably dense!
It’s the article linked in the OP!
None other than the Obama sycophantic NBC news!
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/thousands-get-health-insurance-cancellation-notices-8C11417913

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 24, 2013 3:35 am

Here is more. The total number of otherwise insured people losing their coverage is in the millions.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/millions-americans-are-losing-their-health-plans-because-obamacare_764602.html

This flies in the face of the President’s promise that people could keep their doctors or insurance. Central planners don’t know or care about the things that actually occur as a result of their actions.

As an anecdote, my company changed insurers for 2014. More expensive than what I had and the copays and deductibles are much higher. The hospital chain my wife works for does not accept our new insurance (CIGNA). So that takes 11 local hospitals off the list of places we can go if needed.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 4:35 am

Not surprising Kick, everything about this law sucks, except for the retards like my bitch, who hasn’t seen the increase in her premiums yet. I expect to see her disappear from here when that happens.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 28, 2013 2:34 pm

Since you’ve always enjoyed the benefits of socialized medicine, Poopajoe, what would you know about insurance premiums?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 29, 2013 4:10 am

Since I have only had VA healthcare for 3 years, what the fuck would you know, you stupid bitch?
I EARNED my healthcare from the VA, but didn’t use it until I had to. I have always had my own insurance except for the 5 years I was in the military.
Sorry to burst your bias bubble, but you don’t know shit.

Not so silent
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Not so silent
October 29, 2013 8:58 am

She is just wasting here breath like always, she is a libtard with no point of view other than the fuhrer in D.C……

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 4:59 am

Oh, put a cork in it, Poopajoe. You don’t even bother to carry health insurance, so what would you even know about what health care premiums are doing this year?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 5:17 am

Because I shopped for them you stupid scrunt.

TURDS!

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 5:27 am

Oh, SUUUUUURE you did. You just got done arguing that you don’t need health insurance because you’re healthy (or so you assume)—but now you claim you “shopped for” health care for your wife, and the cost suddenly tripled?

Your nose is growing, Poopajoe.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 28, 2013 2:20 pm

Yes, I am on Social Security diability for End stage renal disease. THey don’t even look at my asthma, medication caused diabetes, spinal curvature, hypothyroidism et al. Essentially, though I have retired. My social security check is based on the nember of quarterw i worked and paid into the system, So its a little different thatn someone who never worked a days, was involved in and MVA and is now in a wheechair. And that person will endo up not on Social Security disability, but on suplemental social security which is very little and almost always results in getting other assistance, including food stamps. housing assistance, medicaid. etc/ And I think that is just fine. Its the 20 somethings who get their girlfriends pregnant, then sit in the food stam office with an arm draped possesively over her shoulder as she waits to apply for food stamps, housing, medicaid, etc. HE could be out working, or looking for a job, rather than wasting time in the office with her.
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Well, first of all, I’m truly sorry that you have to cope with all those medical issues at once.

Second, you’re rattling out stereotypes there, based on glib assumptions. Surely you, of all people, should realize that disabling medical and psychiatric disorders aren’t always readily visible to the casual observer—-and that the people who actually read and process these clients’ applications are better qualified than you to decide whether or not they’re entitled to financial assistance.

One question I have, not just for you but for others who share your feelings about “these people” (we all know WHICH people most here are talking about, even though they won’t admit it): how do you feel about women who were homemakers all their lives? Do they, too, qualify as “people who never worked a day” and therefore are mooching off the government?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 29, 2013 8:42 am

No. They had a full time job running their households, chauffering the kids, entertaining to support their husband’s career. And I am not making glib assumptions. I have sat (for hours at a time) in food stamp offices, which in my area, also handle medicaid applications, though qualifying is very different for each plan. And I hve care for Medicaid patients, who tell mnethey have aworking spouse or boyfriend, but he is illegal, and gets paid under the table, so his income is not counted. I have seen food stamp applications where one “family” includes 30 people. About half still live in Mexico, but the all have SSN’s. There IS much abuse of the sytem. Just because you live in lala land doesn’t man the rest of us are living in a sack. We SEE what is happening! Hell, the news cannel report on it, even your precious Big 3, wh all clearly lean left. As several of us have repeatedly said that we are not against helping those in need. We just don’t want to enable those who COULD do more for them selves to do it.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 8:50 am

No. They had a full time job running their households, chauffering the kids, entertaining to support their husband’s career.
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Oh, so you’re okay with giving social program benefits to SOME women who have never worked a day in their lives, but not others.

That’s kind of a slippery slope, Rose. Who’s to decide which never-worked-a-day-in-their-lives women get the goodies, and which don’t. Because not all women with productive and hardworking husbands are go-getters, nor are all black women in the ghetto all lazy slackers.
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And I hve care for Medicaid patients, who tell mnethey have aworking spouse or boyfriend, but he is illegal, and gets paid under the table, so his income is not counted. I have seen food stamp applications where one “family” includes 30 people.
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If you’ve got as much experience as that, then you KNOW how foolish it is to jump to conclusions about a person’s work ethic or character, based only on his/her ethnicity, parenthood, love life, mailing address or fashion choices. You KNOW that some people who look respectable and modest and conventional are actually lazy slobs and/or alcoholics, and that some people who are black or Mexican or who have a lot of kids are respectable hard workers.

If you DIDN’T learn that, then you were apparently busier nursing prejudices than actually looking at the people in front of you, and noting that appearances can be deceptive.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 24, 2013 11:55 am

He HAS health insurance as a veteran. He can be treated at any veteran”s hospital or clinic. He has repetitively stated his WIFE has nothing, and that they could not afford the new rates for insurance for HER. You need to have that short term memory loss checked out. You may be developing Alzheimers’s. Or dementia.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 12:38 pm

There’s nothing wrong with my memory, Rose. The fact is, I don’t pay that much attention to Poopajoe’s stated situation, because I think he spews more BS than truths here anyway.

Sorry, but I don’t have much sympathy for right wingers who whine that they can’t afford insurance. I’ve seen Poopajoe show zero sympathy for the plight of the working poor, claiming that if they weren’t lazy they wouldn’t have these problems. So I’m wondering why he doesn’t apply that snap solution to his own life.

You see, I’ve seen excuse after excuse from the right.

When we wanted universal health care (during the Clinton administration), they screamed in horror and said that’s SOCIALISM! Can’t have that—it makes people lazy and shiftless! Health insurance should come from the EMPLOYER, not the “gubmint”—that way, if you’re too lazy to work, you don’t get coverage.

So when the Democrats proposed that we REQUIRE employers to offer health care to employees, they screamed that THAT’S NOT FAIR TO EMPLOYERS! IT’LL HURT THEIR BUSINESS! YOU CAN’T DO THAT!

So when Obama adapted an old Republican strategy that combined some government restrictions with a FREE MARKET SOLUTION, they all started wringing their hands and saying, “BUT IT’S TOO EXPENSIVE! I CAN’T AFFORD IT!” (No mention was made of getting off their fat duffs and taking a second and even a third job if necessary, as they so often recommend to poor inner-city Americans who aren’t making it on fast food wages.)

Bottom line: we could all send Poopajoe big sums of money through Paypal to finance his wife’s insurance, and he’d still complain that it can’t be done. The fact is that he’s less interested in taking responsibility for his family health care needs, than he is in bitching endlessly about Obama.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 31, 2013 8:50 pm

That doesn’t matter, Walmart doesn’t deserve to make a profit as long as one alcoholic, drug user, can’t afford plastic surgery.

/sarc

flashingscotsman
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October 31, 2013 8:41 am

My Dear Sweet Olivia thinks that 49.5% of the country is sick or disabled.

Did anyone else watch the video of the Wal Mart that got over ran in Louisiana when the EBT cards lost their limits? I did, and I couldn’t find anyone there that looked disabled. Unless you consider, like liberals do, that being black is a disability.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 28, 2013 12:57 pm

Yes, I am on Social Security diability for End stage renal disease. THey don’t even look at my asthma, medication caused diabetes, spinal curvature, hypothyroidism et al. Essentially, though I have retired. My social security check is based on the nember of quarterw i worked and paid into the system, So its a little different thatn someone who never worked a days, was involved in and MVA and is now in a wheechair. And that person will endo up not on Social Security disability, but on suplemental social security which is very little and almost always results in getting other assistance, including food stamps. housing assistance, medicaid. etc/ And I think that is just fine. Its the 20 somethings who get their girlfriends pregnant, then sit in the food stam office with an arm draped possesively over her shoulder as she waits to apply for food stamps, housing, medicaid, etc. HE could be out working, or looking for a job, rather than wasting time in the office with her.

PsychoDad
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October 28, 2013 8:49 am

Oh please sugar, come over and sign up for a Twitchy account, we could have SO much fun with you over there!

PS — Schadenfreude Alert Level – Exquisite!

“Could the president please explain why I and others are losing our health ins. plans? Wasn’t supposed to happen!—
patti davis (@patti_davis) October 25, 2013”

Yes, the daughter of the late great Ronald Reagan has a case of the weepies.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 28, 2013 8:46 am

Snitty today aren’t we? You are the on who refuses acknowledge the obvious. Right now 49.5% of the US population is receiving government assistance some kind. While that is appalling in the richest country in the world, it is also a little scary. How long do you think before we pass the tipping point and cannot support he remaining population? WhY will happen to the truly ill, disabled and ill?
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What’s your reason for assuming that people other than yourself who receive assistance aren’t “truly” disabled or ill?

Your knowledge about those people is no more reliable than mine about you. If I were in the habit of making snap judgments about people, I’d say your posts make it sound as if you’re perfectly capable of working; yet others here tell me you’re disabled.

Is it safe to say that maybe I don’t have all the facts, and that there really ARE good reasons for you to be (as so many right wingers so viciously put it) “sucking on the government teat”? That’s what I’m assuming. You, on the other hand, seem to be assuming that you can tell at a glance which people AREN’T “truly ill or disabled.”

As the Bible (that book that right wingers like to use as a political weapon) says, “Judge not lest you be judged, and by the same standard that you yourself have applied.” In other words, Rose, if you’re going to accuse many or most of those receiving government support as cheaters and malingerers, the day may come when someone does that very same thing to you.

For the record, I’m willing to take your word for it that you’re no malingerer and leave it at that. Why won’t you do others the same courtesy?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 26, 2013 8:25 pm

Snitty today aren’t we? You are the on who refuses acknowledge the obvious. Right now 49.5% of the US population is receiving government assistance some kind. While that is appalling in the richest country in the world, it is also a little scary. How long do you think before we pass the tipping point and cannot support he remaining population? WhY will happen to the truly ill, disabled and ill?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 4:34 pm

You miss the point. I said we couldn’t afford OBAMACARE insurance. Since we have been paying CASH for all my wife’s healthcare for some time now, we haven’t taken anything from anyone for her care.
I don’t give a flying fuck if you don’t believe what I say here, the people that actually count know I am telling the truth. I have personally met 3 of the folks here, and they know me to be truthful, so take your ugly troll ass down the road and talk to someone who gives a shit.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 5:38 am

Stupid scrunt, my wife wanted to find out how much insurance was because she’s pushing 60 and is concerned she may need some procedures at some point in the near future. That’s how I know what it was last year. Now, with her freaking out over HAVING to get insurance or be fined, I shopped again and found the price increase.

Now go fuck yourself bitch.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 7:28 am

I think it’s hilarious that people like you bitch and bitch and bitch about the poor supposedly failing to “Take Personal Responsibility”—–but then balk at taking responsibility for your own health care.

Exactly what I’ve found over and over among the most vocal right wingers: “Personal Responsibility” is something for OTHER people (especially brown skinned people who live in cities and vote Democratic) to demonstrate. You, on the other hand, are entitled to take without giving, as much as possible and as often as possible.

Can you say “hypocrisy”?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 4:30 pm

Paying for our own healthcare costs is taking personal responsibility you moronic troll.

Paden
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Paden
October 24, 2013 10:45 am

I call spell it to…

L.I.B.E.R.A.L

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 24, 2013 4:51 am

Yeah, I read her reply. We changed insurers because the bc/bs plan we had became too expensive. Without the ACA that decision would not have to have been made. It is that simple.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 5:21 am

Yea kick, I had shopped BC/BS last year for my wife, the rates were about 1/3 what they are now, mainly because we could design the plan coverage we wanted, now you are having coverage imposed on you, and it gets way more expensive that way.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 24, 2013 5:34 am

As an aside, Democratic Rep Dingall just echoed, during the ACA website hearing, the President’s words that health care is a right. That is not an insignificant statement.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 5:47 am

Yea kick, it’s a right that the goobermint has to force on you. A real cool bonus, isn’t it?
Seems to me that healthcare was one of those “rights” that the founders left out of the Bill of Rights. I also don’t remember anyone putting an amendment in the Constitution that adds it as a right, so there is a bit of a problem with their statements.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 4:36 pm

That’s where you (and many other right wingers) keep screwing up, Poopajoe. The Constitution isn’t a laundry list of rights, and just because a right isn’t listed in it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. For example, the Constitution doesn’t specify that you have a right to own your own guns—just to bear arms. Does that mean you can’t own guns, then? No, because the Second Amendment has been historically interpreted as implying a right to own firearms, as well as to use them.

So it’s by no means a given that Americans DON’T have a right to health care. It’s a tricky issue, because if we all agree that they don’t, it means that hospital ERs aren’t obligated to treat you if they don’t want to; doctors can refuse to perform lifesaving surgery if you don’t have the means to pay for it; and there will be a lot of indigent Americans dying in the streets for lack of medical treatment.

Do you think such a scenario is in the best interests of a civilized nation that hopes to retain its rank as world leader? I don’t.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 31, 2013 8:47 pm

Flash, that doesn’t matter, as long as you’re paying for someone else’s insurance!
Oblivious said so.

flashingscotsman
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October 31, 2013 8:36 am

“It’s also bad for a hospital’s reputation to be known as a place that rejects patients, for any reason. Extremely bad business practice.”

You mean like the one that Michelle “worked” for before becoming First Hag?

“As I recall, the last time we discussed this a couple of years ago, you weren’t even paying for insurance for yourself, much less for someone else. So there’s really no need for you to play these we-right-wingers-always-have-to-give-money-to-the-lib’ruls games. I have my own health insurance, thank you, and I pay for it through my job.”

That’s right, My Dear Sweet Olivia, I still don’t have insurance. I can’t afford it, with what’s left over from paying for insurance for everyone else.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 28, 2013 4:30 am

WOW!!
Numbers 2 and 3 already!
Kind of early, but I’ll take the hat trick!

Olivia
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Olivia
October 27, 2013 7:26 pm

In other words, My Dear Sweet Olivia, you DO have a right to health care. And I have a right NOT to provide it for you.
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As I recall, the last time we discussed this a couple of years ago, you weren’t even paying for insurance for yourself, much less for someone else. So there’s really no need for you to play these we-right-wingers-always-have-to-give-money-to-the-lib’ruls games. I have my own health insurance, thank you, and I pay for it through my job.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 27, 2013 7:21 pm

Currently. ED’ s are only required to stabilize a patient in an emergency situation. No ED is required to treat you for non-emergent accidents or illness.
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No emergency department is going to take the chance of refusing to treat what looks like a non-emergent condition, Rose, and end up being sued if it turns out that the patient WAS medically unstable after all.

It’s also bad for a hospital’s reputation to be known as a place that rejects patients, for any reason. Extremely bad business practice.

flashingscotsman
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October 27, 2013 6:18 pm

In other words, My Dear Sweet Olivia, you DO have a right to health care. And I have a right NOT to provide it for you.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 26, 2013 8:39 pm

Currently. ED’ s are only required to stabilize a patient in an emergency situation. No ED is required to treat you for non-emergent accidents or illness.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 25, 2013 7:27 am

The Constitution does not mention rights because it is the supreme law of the land that enumerates what the federal government can do. The Bill of Rights was set up to codify the natural rights described in the DOI and ensure that the federal government ensures those rights are maintained.

I think RKae succinctly sums up what a right is. In other words a person’s rights stop where they infringe upon the rights of another. Health insurance or health care isn’t a right because it assumes that I have a claim on another’s (a doctor, for example) time, property, and labor. I don’t. In a free market society I must pay for another’s labor that benefits me. In a non-free market society, the state confiscates the wealth of its people and distributes that wealth in the form of health care (or any other commodity) as it sees fit.

Alien
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Alien
October 25, 2013 6:50 am

apologies.. that double-posted, then i couldn’t edit the grammarisms

Alien
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Alien
October 25, 2013 6:41 am

Rights are tricky to me..

In(un)alienable never appears in Constitution.. DoI refers to them practically in the same breath that it also states that men establish governments to secure them (i.e. Creator-endowed, Government-secured)

Government secured right. Jefferson wrote that

Constitution makes no distinction about that is alienable or not, does it? Does it even legally matter?

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 24, 2013 4:57 pm

I should add the same goes with your misguided notion of what a right is. The Constitution does not give the federal government the enumerated power to bestow health insurance on the citizenry. Again, it isn’t prohibited so it becomes a 10th Amendment issue. Inalienable rights do not come from government, which is why, in part, progressives hate the founding documents. Natural rights.

RKae
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RKae
October 24, 2013 4:56 pm

God…

Damn…

It.

When are leftist idiots going to understand the definition of what a “right” is? A right is something you’re free to go out and get if you choose to.

It is NOT something that will be provided for free at others’ expense!

Yes, people have the right to health care. That means take care of it YOURSELF!

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 4:56 pm

Kick, it is amazing how she can’t distinguish between the Bill of Rights, which I specifically referred to, and the amendments to the Constitution.
Makes me wonder how she got her degree, if she ever did.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 4:54 pm

AAAHHHH!!!
ANOTHER immensely satisfying turd!
I’m going to lose quite a bit of weight at this rate!

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 24, 2013 4:49 pm

Your lack of knowledge is breathtaking. The Bill of Rights is just that. The Constitution – Articles 1-8 are the supreme laws of the land and the rules for how the federal government is to operate. The federal government has 18 enumerated powers. That’s it. Everything else is subject to the 9th and 10th Amendments. The reason why the 2d Amendment does not specify ownership is because the Constitution does not give the federal government the power to prohibit ownership. Again, go back and read the 9th and 10th Amendments. There was no interpretation your ignorance notwithstanding.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 24, 2013 5:58 am

Right, if a state wants to offer some sort of right to “free” health care, the 9th and 10th Amendments make that possible. If a person does not want to live under that system, in theory, he can move to another state. Not possible if that were a federal system.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 6:36 am

I have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously. No idea.
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Then I will explain it again.

1) You stated you don’t believe Americans have a right to health care.

2) You also argued that a tribunal like Canada’s has no right to interfere with a patient’s family’s wishes, even if those wishes fly directly in the face of the doctor’s professional judgment, or aren’t (in his professional opinion) in the patient’s best interest.

(That is what you were arguing, was it not? You certainly were NOT arguing in favor of a committee to hear both sides of the story and make the decision FOR them.)

3) Stating that Americans have no right (“inalienable” or otherwise) to health care means, by extension, that you also believe Americans have no right (“inalienable” or otherwise) to life, since availability of health care can often mean the difference between life and death.

4) If you don’t agree that Americans have this right, why are you defending the perceived right of Americans to demand unlimited heroic measures to keep Grandma alive? Especially when it’s the taxpayers, not the patient OR the family, who has to foot the bill for these measures?

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 6:12 am

Yea, she’s also trying to put words I never spoke into my mouth.

Desperation leads to some odd behavior.

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 24, 2013 6:09 am

I have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously. No idea.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 6:05 am

Sorry, Kick, but civil rights and civil liberties aren’t subject to a popularity vote among states. Don’t you remember? There was a little skirmish called the American Civil War that settled that point some 150 years ago.

And, incidentally, who said anything about a right to “free” health care? The only ones I’ve ever seen talk about “free” health care are Bush and Rush Limbaugh, who seem to have the impression that going to the ER and then stiffing the hospital for the bill equals “health care at no charge.” And they, of course, are dead wrong about that.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 5:35 am

No, it’s not. Do you agree with him that health care is a right?

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 24, 2013 5:56 am

Define right?

It most definately is not an inalienable right.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 26, 2013 8:34 pm

Except for personal insurance, the insurance company does not determine what is covered under employee plans. The employer does that. And yes,I worked for Aetna health plans and I know what I am talking about.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 4:26 pm

Bullshit.
Before Obamacare, the only time the taxpayers were paying the doctor was if you were on medicare or medicaid.
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Elderly patients—the ones who consume most hospital resources—-ARE on Medicare, Poopajoe. If a patient has serious medical issues, it doesn’t take very long to go through every single penny s/he’s paid into Medicare, which means that all other medical expenses are then borne by the taxpayer.

Thanks to health care reform, patients no longer need to worry about insurance companies denying claims for preexisting conditions, or setting lifetime limits on certain types of treatment (e.g., psychiatric).
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>>> Physicians aren’t short order cooks or menial servants. They’re hired for their medical expertise and judgment, not for their ability to take orders from lay people. Especially lay people who aren’t even the patient.
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When you’re sitting in an ER treatment room for what seems like hours, watching your loved one bleeding or suffering, maybe you need to grab a doctor by the collar and tell him what the hell to do!
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Yes, it does seem like an eternity to have to sit and wait when you’re anxious. (One more reason, by the way, you don’t want to see ERs clogged with non-emergencies.) Still, I assure you the doctor knows “what the hell to do.” But emergency departments triage patients, and treat the ones with the highest acuities first.

Believe it or not, bleeding (unless it’s arterial bleeding and/or the patient is in danger of going into shock) is not at the top of the triage scale. Grab a clean towel, apply direct pressure, and wait your turn to be seen. Your loved one is going to be fine, and the staff HASN’T forgotten him or her.

Pain isn’t necessarily at the top of the scale, either. Granted, I hate to see a patient in pain in the waiting room, and will do everything I possibly can to get him back in a room so we can get started treating that pain (we do have some modest standing orders)—-but, again, we sometimes have more pressing issues.

What sort of issues? Heart attacks. Cardiac and respiratory arrest. Strokes. Allergic reactions. Mentally ill patients threatening staff. Ambulances pouring in. Angry family members demanding this, that, or the other thing for their loved one. (Some of their requests are perfectly reasonable; others not so much.) Seizures. Getting patients ready for emergency surgery. Hanging vasopressors, trying to get an IV in a shocky patient with no veins, holding down a screaming toddler while the doctor performs a scary or painful procedure on her. Running to the aid of a patient who’s vomiting profusely. Picking up a patient who’s just fallen in the bathroom. Hastily cleaning rooms in between patients. And, of course, documenting, documenting, documenting.

I promise you, we’re not just sitting at the desk with our feet up, playing Candy Crush Saga. I also promise you that grabbing the doctor and giving him a dressing down isn’t going to get your loved one treated any more quickly. In fact, it will delay things, because it distracts him from the multitasking he’s already doing.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 3:42 pm

1) Unless they’re multimillionaires paying cash, they’re NOT paying him—the taxpayers are.

Bullshit.
Before Obamacare, the only time the taxpayers were paying the doctor was if you were on medicare or medicaid.

2) Physicians aren’t short order cooks or menial servants. They’re hired for their medical expertise and judgment, not for their ability to take orders from lay people. Especially lay people who aren’t even the patient.

When you’re sitting in an ER treatment room for what seems like hours, watching your loved one bleeding or suffering, maybe you need to grab a doctor by the collar and tell him what the hell to do!

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 6:28 am

Maybe because if they’re paying him, they get to decide what they’re paying him to do?
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1) Unless they’re multimillionaires paying cash, they’re NOT paying him—the taxpayers are.

2) Physicians aren’t short order cooks or menial servants. They’re hired for their medical expertise and judgment, not for their ability to take orders from lay people. Especially lay people who aren’t even the patient.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 6:21 am

Maybe because if they’re paying him, they get to decide what they’re paying him to do?

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 6:13 am

Yet you were just arguing in favor of families who want to “do everything” to keep a moribund Grandma alive for as long as possible, regardless of the cost.

If you don’t think Americans have a right to health care, where are you getting the idea that they have a right to force the doctor to perform any and all aggressive measures on a dying person, whether or not he feels it’s in the patient’s best interests?

You can’t dance back and forth between these two points, Kick. If you don’t believe people have a right to health care, then you also don’t believe they have a right to life—-because lack of health care can, and often does, mean needless death.

Sounds like you need to look a little closer at your values as a citizen. Either that, or maybe admit that you DO think people have a right to health care….but you just don’t want to have to take any social responsibility to help provide it.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 5:48 am

You answered your own question:

Do you agree with him that health care is a right?

No, it’s not.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 6:10 am

Your dementia is getting worse!
I never said any such thing.
Perhaps you can link to where I ever said that?
No, I didn’t think so.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 6:07 am

Your dementia is showing!
I’m a veteran. Figure it out. I earned my healthcare.
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Then how come you were recently boasting about not needing insurance, not because you were a veteran, but because (you assume) you’re healthy?

Better try to stick to one story, my boy, because all this flip flopping isn’t enhancing your credibility. (Not that you had much to begin with.)

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 6:02 am

Your dementia is showing!
I’m a veteran. Figure it out. I earned my healthcare.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 5:55 am

Okay, Poopajoe, you believe that health care is NOT a right, and you choose not to Take Personal Responsibility by getting health insurance.

If you get sick in the coming year—not just a cold or a sore throat, but a real, expensive-to-treat illness, like appendicitis or diveriticulitis or (heaven forbid) cancer, you’ll be honest and refuse to seek treatment that somebody else will have to subsidize for you?

It’s shortsighted enough to refuse to buy health insurance. But, when you argue that no one has a right to expect affordable health care, it’s downright stupid. To say nothing of dishonest.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 4:57 am

And you know for a fact that BC/BS had no intention of raising their rates next year (yeah, right) but that Obama FORCED them to, because…….?

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 24, 2013 11:48 am

Because of the increased cost of the plan when allthe requirements demanded by Obamacare were factored into the cost of being insured. Insurance companies used to be able to mitigate the cost of covering extrememly ill patients with the premiums of the young and healthy who rarely made a claim. That isn’t the case, and being beholden to shareholders (that’s common folk) they will not swallow that cost and decrease their profit margin.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 4:02 pm

Insurance companies used to be able to mitigate the cost of covering extrememly ill patients with the premiums of the young and healthy who rarely made a claim. That isn’t the case…
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Why, yes, it is. Don’t you remember when you right wingers assured me that young people don’t buy health insurance—because they’d rather spend the money on big screen TVs and electronic toys and fancy cars?

Now, all of a sudden, you’re changing your tune and claiming that they all had insurance until health care reform came along?

You guys need to pick one story and stick with it. All this flip flopping is making me dizzy.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 27, 2013 7:28 pm

With Obamacare premiums and deductibles, it would, in most cases, be cheaper to pay out of pocket than to be insured.
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That’s true. Unless, of course, you happen to need medical care.

But, of course, you’re one of those people who think you’re invincible. Either that, or you don’t think at all.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 28, 2013 4:28 am

AHHHH, it’s going to be a good morning, a big turd already!

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 26, 2013 8:30 pm

In some cases that is true as well. My half sister, owned her own business, husband was in school. They could have bought insurance, but instead they used the money to buy land. When she interested hand with a table saw, she ended up paying the bill out of pocket. It would have been cheaper to buy the insurance. People are not always sensible about money.

flashingscotsman
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October 27, 2013 5:59 pm

With Obamacare premiums and deductibles, it would, in most cases, be cheaper to pay out of pocket than to be insured.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 24, 2013 4:27 pm

Don’t blame Rose for that, you were dizzy long before you came here.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 4:29 am

Okay, Kick, I’m going to take your last paragraph first. Have you ever, Before Obamacare, experienced the phenomenon of your employer switching insurance companies? I have. Three times in the past six years, in fact. What’s more, the premiums increased every year, much more than my salary did. (Until this year. My rates for 2014 have been frozen at 2013’s rates.) Why on earth would you have assumed that that would never happen again? We are, after all, dealing with a for-profit system here. That’s the way you right wingers wanted it, didn’t you?

Obama said, if you like your plan, you can keep it. He never made any guarantee that the company that provides your plan wouldn’t raise the price, or wouldn’t create limits that made keeping it less convenient or attractive for you. He COULDN’T make such promises, unless he were personally directing every insurance company’s business plans. Why would you have assumed that that’s what he was offering?

Second: the blog (not current events article) you cited is referring to another article (cited within the blog entry), which wasn’t about “losing coverage.” It was about the rate at which people were getting signed up, which (according to the original article, which your blog cited) wasn’t happening fast enough.

That’s a fixable problem. In no way is it a reasonable excuse for scrapping the whole thing. You antireformers are really grasping at straws lately. You’re quick enough to point out (and exult over) every glitch, real and imagined, but you refuse to even consider problem solving techniques to address them.

One can only imagine if Eisenhower had been forced to work in tandem with a general who adamantly opposed the invasion of Normandy, and, every time a glitch in the plans came up, moaned and groaned that it wouldn’t work, that Eisenhower just wanted to kill a lot of Americans for nothing, that he was unfit for his job, that he’d PROMISED it would be done on June 5 and was therefore a liar and incompetent when it ended up being delayed.

In short (yeah, I know, it’s too late now to make this a short post), how about if the right helps come up with ideas that will make this easier and smoother to implement, instead of just making excuses to sabotage it?

Alien
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Alien
October 24, 2013 3:58 pm

Since i’ve worked at current company (about 11 years now), my insurance has changed twice (spanning 3 insurers in total). By 2009 I’d realized that covering my family had doubled (in about 7 years at that point)

Last year there was no increase, this year there was. The overall trend is about the same for us

Sidekick
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Sidekick
October 24, 2013 4:05 pm

We did not have an increase last year any the years previous to that our contributions were basically stable. This year, as I noted, the whole package was changed and we are getting less for more. One of the reasons our old plan was stable is we pioneered the move to kick off spouses who worked and could get insurance through their employer. Not a good morale booster as many families saw their premiums as a household expense in effect double. Delta Airlines made headlines when they announced the same policy. We did it six years ago.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 23, 2013 9:39 pm

FTA:

Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent.

That must be nearly 1 million new uninsured because of the insurance law that was supposed to get the uninsured, insured.

NICE GOING OBAMA!
What was that about being able to keep your insurance?

C_Strasburger
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C_Strasburger
October 21, 2013 8:59 am

Received ours from BCBS last week, essentially cancelling a plan that has worked well for us for years. My wife spent a day or two looking at options thru them and it gets even worse. Not only the policy pricing, but the way deductibles are calculated? You won’t ever meet an individual deductible….ours went from $5000 between the two of us, to almost $25K collectively. And that has to be met before you ever get any individual benefits. I won’t even go into the rest of the details today…but after listening to Little Sissy Stompyfoot today, lying his miserable, pathetic liberal ass off, I just laughed….the lies and deceit spewing like an over flowing sewer. He’s good at that. BTW, was that idiot that introduced assclown using his teleprompter?

99.9% of the complete and utter idiots supporting this assclown, and this inane legislation are in for a rude awakening. Doubt any of them have actually taken the time to do their own research. They are nothing more than lemmings, racing to their own deaths over the cliff.

Welcome to the NEW and IMPROVED Amerika! Land of the Stupid and Home of the Rainbow.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 29, 2013 3:59 am

Don’t be whining and bitching to me, C. Strasburger. As I’ve said many times on this board, it was you righties who wanted and DEMANDED to keep the insurance companies in charge. (In fact, you fought to deregulate them still further, but thank goodness you didn’t get your way.)

So you got your way: the insurance companies are still running the show, and still deciding what to make you pay. Their goal is still, obviously, to maximize their profits rather than to give little people like you a financial break.

That’s why I’ve been saying from Day One that what we really need (and will eventually go to) is universal, single payer insurance. “Obamacare” is, at best, a compromise, because Republicans—-always the party of business—-didn’t want that. So blame them if the option you want costs more than you choose to pay.

poppajoe49
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poppajoe49
October 21, 2013 4:47 pm

We’ll all be much better off paying the fine and cash for our medical care. It will accomplish 2 things.
1, it will drive prices down.
2, it will bankrupt Obunglescare.
It’s a win-win.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 22, 2013 9:50 am

ut the fines increase expoentially each year without insurance. and the whole idea of this bondoggle was to increase the number of insured, not increase it! Fail again.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 21, 2013 7:26 pm

Poopajoe, if you think the average person (including yourself) can afford to pay for emergency surgery or a catastrophic illness out of pocket, then you’re even more clueless than I gave you credit for being. Don’t think it can happen to you? Think again. Sooner or later it happens to EVERYONE—-and never when they’re expecting it or financially prepared for it.

Go ahead—-pay the fine, and boycott “Obamacare.” You’re not hurting anyone but yourself and your family.

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 22, 2013 9:56 am

But Obamacare wasn’t supposed to be catastrophic insurance. It was supposed to provide insurance for ongoing well care to prevent the advancement of disease and disorders to the point they became catastrophic. Some will gain insurance, but many who already have it will lose it as companies alter the plans and increase the cost. Truthfully I have several serious chronic conditions, and I would not pay for a policy that had a $25,000 deductible. Why pay premiums? My cost of care is less that the deductible and I would be wasting the premium cost. Anyone who understands insurance could see this coming. Just noone wanted to accept the truth.

Olivia
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Olivia
October 24, 2013 2:43 am

Not true, Rose. Other countries have managed to provide affordable health care to ALL, for a fraction of the cost of our own seriously inadequate and inequitable system. Yet there’s NO country on earth that has used a for-profit system like ours (pre-reform) successfully and affordably for ALL.

Consider the fact that there are many Americans WITH serious chronic conditions, who have had no insurance up to this time. I’m sorry, but that’s unacceptable; yet Republicans showed absolutely no interest in changing it. Nor would the right even consider the idea of universal health care. So this was the only option available. It’s not good enough, but it’s a step in the right direction.

But I must say, you and Poopajoe are making a great case for socialized medicine. Keep it up!

sa_rose
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sa_rose
October 24, 2013 11:43 am

Yes, small European countries hve passed socialized medicine laws. And now England and France are drwoning, Ireland is drowning, Greece is already bankrupt, and other countries are frantically trying to figure out how to PAY for their socilaized medicine. And anyone who is able comes to America for treatment. So how’s that working for them again?

Olivia
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Olivia
October 28, 2013 2:33 pm

Actually, Rose, most of what you said above is a lie, and a rather ridiculous one. The vast majority of Europeans receive health care in their own countries. Those who come to the U.S. (or go to other countries—contrary to popular right wing assumption, not everyone who goes abroad for medical procedures flocks to the United States) COME HERE BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD TO.

Get it now? They can afford to come here, because they’re not being bankrupted by medical expenses back home, as so many Americans are. They have CHOICES. As compared to tens of millions of Americans, who have previously had no health care options at all, let alone the choice to go to another country for treatment.

It’s also a myth that those nations are all “drowning.” Sure, they have their financial problems—-but so does the U.S. Every nation has its priorities. In France, for example, some of those priorities are affordable higher education for anyone who’s smart enough to qualify; affordable health care, and maintaining infrastructure. Here in the U.S., we can’t be bothered with those things, because we’re too busy bloating our military and giving tax cuts to billionaires so they can buy elections. :>P