Why didn’t they commit him? PTSD gunman ‘fired a bullet through the wall of his mother’s home in April and spent hours holed up inside before police coaxed him out’ but he was CLEARED by mental health specialists.’ OK was making this point on Twitter all morning. But let’s blame the gun, not the moron “mental health specialists” who let him go. He should have been committed and had his weapons taken away.

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This is how the mental health system works in Kalifornia. I can remember taking many people in because they WERE a danger to themselves or others, the mental health people were lazy asses, they would sometimes let the crazies walk out the door an d then call us back to report a missing person at risk, and we would have to spend hours looking for them, One guy jumped the fence out back and assaulted a neighbor of the place. They were more interested in watching TV and eating popcorn than taking care of the people with real issues, we had a crisis team that went out with us, one time to a Barricaded subject, they said he was not a danger to himself or others even thought he threatened to kill his kids.

One of the other sergeants got so pissed off one night with a refusal, he arrested the intake woman for refusing to take a subject from the police, which state law requires them to do. This incident really caused the shit to hit the fan,

The director of county mental health came in to bitch at the chief and instead got put in a room full of pissed off sergeants (including me) and we tore him and his staff apart, and we made a complaint to the county. It helped for a while but then it was back to the same old shit.

They give them pills and send them on the way and when the crazies don’t tell the pills, or take them with other drugs or alcohol we ended up dealing with them. Sometimes they just killed themselves, but mental health was never at fault which was bullshit.

I could go on but you get the picture, the state and counties don’t give a shit, they would rather mainstream people that are straight up nuts, and some beat cop like me gets to wrestle with a naked sweaty women in the middle of an intersection because she is bat shit crazy and off her meds, and then mental health gives her a pill and sends her on the way…

This is on major reason Kalifornia is FUBAR. The nuts are now running the asylum in Sacramento. Some of the people elected are just as nuts as the patients….

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Sunday is Veterans Day, the day we honor all those who are serving our great country. Shake a hand, buy a soldier a cup of coffee, let them know we appreciate what they are doing.

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deepthinker
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Every day

JPTravis
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Yeah, this goes along with the comment I made in the other thread, about how he assaulted his high school track coach but the school convinced her to let it slide. WTF is wrong with these people? It’s like they WANT to send crazies out into the world.

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Crazies JP? Are you a combat veteran? I am and I don’t want to start a shit storm with you but never call a veteran a “crazy” again.

But for the grace of God and a strong family 45 years ago I could have been this young man. I lived on the streets or slept on relatives couches for 3 years. I tried to find out how much whisky a man could drink and still live. I would fight Superman if he got in my face. I was one fucked up individual and it’s a wonder I didn’t go off the deep end. That’s where God and family comes back into it.

The V.A. didn’t do shit, take these pills and come back next month was called mental health help. The cops I encountered, and there were many of them, couldn’t do anything because of laws regarding holding people for mental evaluations. And neither could my family for the same reason. It took 6 years but once I got sobered up and got my head right I started working on veterans rights, especially mental health issues because so many Vietnam vets were left in the cold. For over 35 years I have been fighting that fight, it goes on today.

So I’m asking you as a friend, please never call a combat veteran a crazy again. If you haven’t walked a mile in our boots you have no right to judge.

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What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read my comment before you replied? He attacked his high school track coach. He wasn’t a veteran when he did that. You are falling right into the trap the liberals laid for you when you act like this has anything to do with being a veteran. This has nothing to do with the military or his time in the military. He was a crazy teenager nobody wanted to help so they all just let it slide. They figured just send him to the Marines and then we can blame whatever he does on the military and taint every veteran in America with the same smell. And you’re falling for it hook, line, and sinker.

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Whiskey and JP

Both of you make excellent and very valid points. I personally have seen troubled veterans. One is a former SEAL who can’t kick his demons. I also have seen and dealt with teenagers who are “just misunderstood”. One misunderstood teenager nearly beat his grand father to death and when I arrived his social worker wanted him not to go to jail. Guess where his ass went. Yep right to jail. What happened in CA is tragic and there’s all sorts of blame to go around. When he fired his weapon into the wall that should’ve gotten him into custody and possibly the help he needed.

Now there are 13 families with holes and wounds that will never heal all due to the reluctance of the “experts” to do their f}#%ing jobs.

Whiskey you sir have much to offer to the younger vets. You’ve been to the bottom, then gathered yourself up changed your life around. As Drew would share “the jerk offs at the VA have no damn idea what I’ve seen. What I’m going through” it wasn’t until he found an older Vet such as yourself was he able to begin to deal with his demons anger and nightmares.

Again, guys both make valid points. We have enough enemies from the left. We sure as hell don’t need to be turning on each other.

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I know deep, maybe I do owe JP an apology but I get kind of hot when people start second guessing why a veteran went off the rails. Maybe I explained it a little better in my above post so he can get a better idea of why I am like I am.

I have never forgotten, I still wake up in the middle of the night because of a thunder clap or a bad dream, grabbing for my weapon, it became part of who I am many years ago. And the kids today are no different, they will never forget either. I have been trying to help for a lot of years, I hope I have helped some young men and now women today, but I don’t know. Keeping count is not my thing. I just pray a little then head to the next windmill on my swayback steed with my crooked lance.

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Bullshit. I attacked my shop teacher when I was in school and I wasn’t a veteran either! The guy was an asshole so I smacked him in the nose! This has nothing to do with what the young man did when he was in school, many of us have tried to whop a teacher or two because they were dickheads.

Bringing up the past does no good for any combat veteran. Those who have never been in combat do not understand there is a “life before” which can be very different from a “life after”. Long could have been an alter boy, a scout leader, the cleanest living person on the planet in his “life before”. It has nothing to do with his “life after”. Believe me old friend, I know how much things changed over 43 years ago and have never forgotten.

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You’re still not reading. Crawl down off your soapbox and read. You say it’s okay to “whop” a teacher but what he did was sexually assault his FEMALE track coach. You saying that’s okay? You saying that has something to do with being a veteran? If that’s your argument you’re libeling every veteran in America. The liberals love to label veterans dangerous. Obama wanted to take guns away from veterans simply because they are veterans. Remember that? Remember liberals claiming veterans were more dangerous than Islamic radicals? When you claim this man’s mental issues are caused by his time in the military, you’re falling right into the liberal trap. This kid was obviously crazy long before he joined the military. If anything, instead of blaming the military, we should be praising the military for giving him sufficient structure and discipline to stay out of trouble during his enlistment. The military seemed to do what the civilian world could not.