If only MSNBC would make socialists squirm the way they make Christians squirm

by editor on March 18, 2011

Here’s a surprisingly hard-hitting interview courtesy of MSNBC.

Christian author and Pastor Rob Bell has written a book titled Love Wins: A Book about Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived. Bell sort of makes up his own brand of Christian theology and MSNBC’s Martin Bashir calls him on it.

“What you’ve done is you’re amending the Gospel — the Christian message — so that it’s palatable to contemporary people who find, for example, the idea of hell and heaven very difficult to stomach … That’s what you’ve done, isn’t it?” Bashir says.

This is a first. We never thought we’d see the day that MSNBC argued in favor of traditional Christianity.

It’s a miracle.

H/T: D. Achilles

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Bashir did a great job with this — I am VERY surprised.

This self proclaimed “Pastor” is a complete fraud. He’s been exposed.

SADLY, there are hundreds of thousands and millions who will buy, read, and believe this rot-gut because as Bashir says, it’s palatable. Look at how many voted for the false messiah.

kb
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kb
KimmyQueen
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“Pastor” Bell is an idiot of the worst kind. A wolf among sheep. A false prophet. Exactly the one that Jesus and the apostles warned against.

Bashir did a good interview I am SO surprised seeing how he handled a lot of interviews in the past and well it is MSNBC. I don’t mind the discussion, but he had to be challenged, if he is going to write a book like that he needs to own up to what propelled him to write it and in the end he didn’t really answer that question to my satisfaction.

He (the Lord0 is all powerful and He does care. He cares because He invites people to help those in need. He never promised that nothing wrong will happened especially since the world is still under the effect of Sin.

Plainsman
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Plainsman

Bell emotes too much. He’s a charismatic type, and frankly I think he’d be a better politician than “pastor”, because he thinks he has something for everybody.

KimmyQueen
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Some “pastors” do become “pastors” as as way into politics. Maybe he is doing the same thing.

JPTravis
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“We are now, when we die, firmly in the realm of speculation.”

Those are Bell’s exact words from the interview, when answering a question about salvation. Here is what Jesus said:

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through me.”

There it is, in black and white, no room for debate. Bell is off the Christian reservation, and if he is selling his theology as Christian he is being profoundly dishonest.

hisham
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hisham

Rob Bell is heretical and controversial, I’ll make few other comments other than I reject his theology, especially since he has no authority to change the Gospel as he has. He’s way too squishy and wishy-washy for me!

sa_rose
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sa_rose

God really does work in mysterious ways!

Randfan
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Randfan

Bashir clearly has no understanding of Bell’s book. He’s reading bits and pieces out of his book totally out of context. And if Bashir is truly a christian, then why did he begin this interview with an attack on God? I have read and i don’t agree with the majority of Rob Bells book. But he doesn’t soften up the bible. There are still consequences for our actions, but his belief is that even suffering after death is with a purpose and that eventually God will save every last man, woman, and child who ever lived. He extensively quotes the Bible and draws all of his conclusions from it. Again, i believe he is wrong, but to say that Bell is “not a true christian” or that he is a “heretic.” is false. Bell still affirms our need for God’s grace and our helplessness without the grace of Christ. If any of you are Christians i challenge you to read Bell’s book, give him at least the grace to be heard. Then if you disagree with him (as I do) then critique what he says rather than critiquing him.

Kim
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Kim

Bashir has a full understanding of the book seeing as he read an advance copy and researched each part, historically and biblically. Have you done that?
Bashir did not open with an attack on God. He asked a question that any first year theologian could have answered. Bell should have been able to and should have been more prepared. Bashir is known for his hard hitting interviews. Bell shouldn’t be catered to because of who he thinks he is. Bell blew it.
I have read Bells other books and watched many of his videos as well as interviews. He is unbiblical. I do not have to read another book to know that.
And I never said he wasn’t a true christian. I did say he was a heretic who teaches a false gospel but his salvation is between him and the Lord. I can only look at his fruits and they are false.

KimmyQueen
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“Bashir did not open with an attack on God. He asked a question that any first year theologian could have answered.”

Agreed. I think if ANYTHING it was a test.

Randfan
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Randfan

Kim, yes i have read his book, and yes i have done my research. I wonder whether you have done the same?

As I said before, i do not agree with Rob Bell, at least not with regards to his vision of hell (or lack thereof). Also, his response to Bashirs first question was naive. The reason i said that i don’t believe Bashir has read the book is mostly because he claims that Bell is saying that how we respond to God in this life is immateriel, Whereas in the book, the exact opposite is clearly stated. Bell writes “all that matters is how you respond to Jesus.” (pg 7) and later writes “the more actively you participate now in ordering and working to bring about God’s kind of world, the more ready you will be to assume an even greater role in the age to come.” (pg 40)

Honestly though my main problem with this is that whenever the christian community faces controversy we have a bad habit of throwing each other under the bus. You call him a heretic, i wonder how you define that term. Somebody who has an incorrect view of the gospel? If that is the case we are all heretics at some point in our lives because despite the bible’s perfection our human interpretations are flawed. Even today our views of the bible differ widely, thus the amazing number of denominations. The greatest tragedy of this whole situation is the witness it gives to those who don’t believe. If we are truly a religion that worships a God of love and grace, then why are we calling each other names and lashing out at each other in public? Is this the “perfect unity” described in Colossians 3:14?

KimmyQueen
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Do me a favor next time instead of putting thumbs down and posting replies to the wrong person… make SURE that you are replying to the right person before hitting post. I had no previous conversation with you and don’t tell me that you mistook me because Kim in KimmyQueen because if you ACTUALLY took the time to read you would have been able to figure it out.

Randfan
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Randfan

Hahaha my bad, i didn’t mistake you for Kim i just hit reply on the wrong comment. But my comment applies to you to as you are saying many of the same things, and are in fact being even ruder about it

KimmyQueen
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Well, well, well. You have given me permission so here we go…

IF you read the Bible and learn from it in context this man’s philosophy is ALL wrong. It makes him dangerous and an idiot to boot if he truly believes it. However, if he doesn’t and he is running a scam it is disgusting. Bashir had it right, something about his past made this happen. It is not about Jesus is about him so that makes him an arrogant jerk.

You are also an arrogant jerk to think that you have the ability to school me just because you read his book. I read a better book, and his nonsense is just that nonsense and people like you that would be fine ways to defend it make me sick.

hisham
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hisham

So what you’re saying here Randfan is that essentially you believe, as Bell does, that Christ was pretty much a schmuck for going to his cruxifiction when all he had to do was make his message a little more palatable, in order to get the Sanhedrin off his back, and pack more hypocrites into the synagogues? This is essentially what Bell is stating. This particular heresy is known as gnosticism, mostly, but with a smattering of arianism, and a little monism thrown in just to spice up the mix and it manifests itself in several current pseudo-christian cults today: The Church of Christ Science, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormonism), Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witness, Unitarian Universalists, and there are some more but I can’t think of them right off. There is literally no new heresy under the sun.

Maria
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Maria

Bashir is a Christian. Rob Bell is a heretic, and I wouldn’t sit too close to him in any situation.

Kim
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Kim

You are mistaken on this one. Martin Bashir IS A CHRISTIAN! Rob Bell is a heretic preaching a false gospel. Conservative evangelicals are embracing this particular interview because all his (Robs) other interviews were soft. Good job, Bashir!!

SSDD
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SSDD

You mean Bashir is an actual Christian or the liberally acceptable version of a Christian? You know, the liberally acceptable version that thinks the murder of innocent unborn babies is just fine and you can do whatever the hell you want and still claim to be a Christian. You know, like Obama is a Christian or Slick Willy is a Christian…like that.

Kim
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Kim

He purports to be a true Christian. He goes to Tim Kellers church and Tim is part of the Gospel Coalition which is a highly evangelical group. Left leaners hate the Gospel Coalition and Tim Keller. I can’t know his personal theology but going by where he worships and is taught I would have a hard tme believing that he is liberal on theology.

SSDD
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SSDD

Yeah, you’d think lefties like Bashir would totally embrace this totally bogus message of do whatever you want in life and go to Heaven anyway stuff. I guess just knowing that the guy was some sort of Christian, he just couldn’t help being on the attack. Sorry, but if you reject God, you will pay the consequences for it. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it.