Sheila Jackson Lee says the debt ceiling battle is raaacist

by editor on July 18, 2011

We knew sooner or later someone would say it. It was just a matter of who and when. The results are in and those of you who had Sheila “Today we have two Vietnams side by side” Jackson Lee (D-Mars) in the pool, come claim your winnings.

The Hill has the story:

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) on Friday strongly suggested that members of Congress are making it difficult for President Obama to raise the debt ceiling because of his race.

“I do not understand what I think is the maligning and maliciousness [toward] this president,” said Jackson Lee, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. “Why is he different? … In the minority community that is question that is being raised. Why is this president being treated so disrespectfully? Why has the debt limit been raised 60 times? Why did the leader of the Senate continually talk about his job is to bring the president down to make sure he is unelected?”

We realize the Democrats don’t know much civics – for example, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-Fantasyland) thinks the 3 branches are President, House and Senate – but the debt ceiling debate is a legislative issue to be decided between the Democrat and Republican legislators, not Obama and the raaacists.

As for the leader of the Senate thing… Harry Reid did work tirelessly to bring President Bush down, but they were from different parties. But since President Obama is from Harry’s party … maybe Harry’s just a raaaaacist.

– Written by Bonfire of the Absurdities

Source: The Hill

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brian
July 18, 2011 2:27 pm

Anyone call Obama a Chimp, Ms Jackson?

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Olivia
July 18, 2011 3:21 pm

Anyone call Obama a Chimp, Ms Jackson?
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Yes,Brian, they have. Have you been hiding under a rock?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42656911/ns/politics-more_politics/t/gop-official-a-obama-chimp-email/

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/does-activists-obama-chimp-e-mail-characterize-the-attitude-of-the-tea-party/question-1695049/?link=ibaf&q=obama+chimp
http://emptysuit.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/michelle-obama-faces/

He and his wife have also been likened to gorillas:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2009_06_14_South_Carolina_pol:_Sorry_for_comparing_Michelle_Obama_to_gorilla/
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/24/ad_obama_and_the_800-pound_gorilla.html

Let me remind you, too, that it’s more offensive to use old racially charged imagery on a minority that’s been targeted by those images, than it is to use them on someone who’s been privileged from birth (i.e., wealthy white Protestant male of northern European ancestry). Of course, those who harbor racist views and wish to indulge them here will probably leap to disagree.

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Sidekick
July 18, 2011 3:45 pm

How about this, Olivia, you are a progressive feminist? What say you regarding the filth that passes for political discourse on HBO.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/17/bill-maher-michele-bachmann-and-anger-fcking/

So please feel free to feign your outrage somewhere else.

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Olivia
July 18, 2011 4:54 pm

How about this, Olivia, you are a progressive feminist? What say you regarding the filth that passes for political discourse on HBO. http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/17/bill-maher-michele-bachmann-and-anger-fcking/ *********************** I don’t know, because I don’t watch it. I don’t have TV reception. What’s more, I don’t much care for TV or radio political shows that invite people to call in and give their opinions. I did click on your link, and it sounded neither more nor less vulgar than some of the posts I’ve read on this board. In fact, less so, since the Bachmanns are husband and wife. You do know that married couples sometimes have sex, right? And that God is perfectly okay with that, even if it’s “angry” sex? On the other hand, some crank on this board accused me today of performing oral sex on Michael Moore…..which is a little nastier than accusing a man of having sex with his wife. And, oddly enough, I didn’t see you taking him to task for it, or accusing him of posting “filth.” Need I ask why you show such a double standard, while accusing ME of ” feign(ing) outrage”? 😉

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Sidekick
July 18, 2011 5:13 pm

You may have clicked on the link but you sure as hell didn’t read what occurred. Oddly enough the editor posted the story so you can read it over there. I know that you will excuse it as you rationalize like no other. It amuses me.

And, oddly enough, I didn’t see you taking him to task for it, or accusing him of posting “filth.” Need I ask why you show such a double standard, while accusing ME of ” feign(ing) outrage”? 😉

Didn’t see it but I do condemn it. You are so easy to insult and antagonize as it is, I would not have to go there and never would.

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Ruben
July 18, 2011 6:28 pm

More evidence of WINNING!

Sidekick – 1
Olivia – 0

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July 19, 2011 8:37 am

More like

Sidekick – 100
Oliva – 0

LOL

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hisham
July 18, 2011 5:36 pm

3rd!

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July 19, 2011 8:56 pm

Olivia’s stuck on Zero.

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drb
July 18, 2011 3:51 pm

Let me remind you, too, that it’s more offensive to use old racially charged imagery on a minority that’s been targeted by those images, than it is to use them on someone who’s been privileged from birth (i.e., wealthy white Protestant male of northern European ancestry).

So what your saying is that it is ok for the left to portray GWB in this manner, but not for anyone to portray any person of minority status in this way.

Nice double standard you have there.

Of course, those who harbor racist views and wish to indulge them here will probably leap to disagree.

Further you declare that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.
Wow. Nice pre-emptive. Thanks for showing us that some people will see racism in just about everything, whether it really is racism or not.

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Sidekick
July 18, 2011 4:27 pm

Olivia has been favoring us with her own brand of idiocy throughout this thread. She has been called on it repeatedly but she bobs and weaves and ignores most direct refutations. Your post, I think, best calls out her stupidity and narrow mindedness. You do this, of course, by using her own words and then offering up a nice response. Good on you!

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drb
July 18, 2011 4:31 pm

Thank you, Sidekick.

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Olivia
July 18, 2011 5:10 pm

Olivia has been favoring us with her own brand of idiocy throughout this thread. She has been called on it repeatedly but she bobs and weaves and ignores most direct refutations. Your post, I think, best calls out her stupidity and narrow mindedness. You do this, of course, by using her own words and then offering up a nice response. Good on you!

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I love the upside-down, backwards Through-The-Looking-Glass world of the far right. I”M being accused of “narrow mindedness” because (1) I object to far right wing bigots likening the President and First Lady to apes, and (2) some poster here likes to imagine that I watch and enjoy some HBO show that I’ve never heard of? 😀

You’re a riot, Kick. And, by the way, did you ever take a really good look at that icon you use in your posts? That raised left leg looks rather like a phallic symbol—-which is especially funny, given the context of this discussion. 😀

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Sidekick
July 18, 2011 5:25 pm

I am a riot, aren’t I? I am getting to you too. I have practiced martial arts for a long time and a sidekick is a very basic and effective kick. My avatar is a depiction of that kick. But a leftist perv would see it your way, I guess. As for the tv show; it does not matter whether you heard of it or not the content was clear enough. I saw the post that you must have deleted. I imagine you did so because you clearly did not read it carefully if at all. The “comedian” was talking about anger f***ing Michelle Bachmann not the Bachmanns having sex. Then a second panelist, who is gay, thought Rick Santorum deserved the same treatment.

Of course not a peep from the NOW crowd over the misogynistic comment (s). It goes back to what many of us believe here: the Left, especially the Far Left, have no standards.

Now regarding you performing fellatio on Michael Moore; I disagree with any poster getting that personal. You’re easy enough without having to go there.

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Sidekick
July 18, 2011 5:31 pm

Sorry for the similar posts. I have various comments disappearing and reappearing. Anyone else having the same issue. Olivia, I withdraw my accusation that you deleted a post.

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Olivia
July 18, 2011 5:04 pm

Let me remind you, too, that it’s more offensive to use old racially charged imagery on a minority that’s been targeted by those images, than it is to use them on someone who’s been privileged from birth (i.e., wealthy white Protestant male of northern European ancestry). So what your saying is that it is ok for the left to portray GWB in this manner *********************** No, I didn’t say it’s ‘ok’ to liken anyone to a chimp. *********************** but not for anyone to portray any person of minority status in this way. Nice double standard you have there. Of course, those who harbor racist views and wish to indulge them here will probably leap to disagree. Further you declare that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist. Wow. Nice pre-emptive. Thanks for showing us that some people will see racism in just about everything, whether it really is racism or not. *************************** Wrong again. Stop twisting my words, and pay attention to what I’m actually saying. Comparing a black person to an ape or monkey is far more offensive than doing the same to a white person. Why? Because calling black people subhuman, and comparing them to apes and… Read more »

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hisham
July 18, 2011 5:39 pm

3rd again!

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Ruben
July 18, 2011 6:29 pm

Olivia… LOSING!!!

I’ve gotta kick this Charlie Sheen habit.

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Sidekick
July 18, 2011 5:08 pm

“…Stop twisting my words, and pay attention to what I’m actually saying.”

Olivia said while stomping her feet and clenching her fists. Sorry, but drb nailed you and you will just have to live with additional mockery and scorn being leveled at you. Or you could just go find another site that would welcome your social commentary.

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Olivia
July 18, 2011 5:13 pm

“…Stop twisting my words, and pay attention to what I’m actually saying.”

Olivia said while stomping her feet and clenching her fists. Sorry, but drb nailed you and you will just have to live with additional mockery and scorn being leveled at you. Or you could just go find another site that would welcome your social commentary.

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No, thank you. Someone’s got to challenge you on your dishonesty and hypocrisy, and it might as well be me.

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Sidekick
July 18, 2011 5:15 pm

How am I dishonest and hypocritical? I cant wait for this.

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hisham
July 18, 2011 5:41 pm

3rds yet again!

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Ruben
July 18, 2011 6:32 pm

Congratulations, Olivia… you’re managing to consistently finish 11th out of a 10 person race!

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drb
July 18, 2011 5:23 pm

Wrong again. Stop twisting my words, and pay attention to what I’m actually saying.

Good advice for you to follow as you just twisted up my post.

Now, explain to me why you think you ought to be able to compare either Obama or his wife to an ape or monkey, without being regarded as a bigot.

I worded my post very carefully. I did not make this assertion. That is in your head.

Because, if you’re taking this much trouble to argue with my post, I’ve got to assume that that’s what you want to do.

Thank you for showing that you are so arrogant that you think you know my mind and motives better that I know them myself.

I don’t think it is MORE offensive to display a person of one socail group in this way than it is to depict a person of another groud this way. To me, it is OFFENSIVE and DEHUMANIZING to depict ANYONE in this manner whether they are black, white, red, green, yellow, orange or purple, PERIOD.

Sorry but once again you lose. Thanks for playing.

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Alberto
July 18, 2011 5:50 pm

When have you ever heard Jackson-Lee utter an intelligent thought? The only reason she is in office is because she comes from a congressional district that is predominately “minority.” The race card play should come as no surprise as she is an idiot.

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July 18, 2011 7:04 pm

This president as she calls him is tyring to give away the country. I don’t recall any other that has turned the NLRB over to a bunch of gangsters, the union thugs, this president is trying to flood this country with mexicans and who knows who else, while Americans are loosing everything, this president is a muslim that is set on turning our country over the the muslims, this president is a bigger liar than Bubba Clinton, this president coundn’t care less about ” African Americans” , this president has filed law suites against a state in this country for illegal leaches from mexico, this president supported the union thugs against a state in this union, this president does not know how to be president. If you are trying to say he is treated as he is because he is black, stick it up your nose. You are a complete idiot woman. I don’t know of any president that has ruled a law unconstitutional, this president thinks he is a king. Lady, go dig a hole and crawl in it.

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Olivia
July 19, 2011 2:11 am

This president as she calls him is tyring to give away the country. I don’t recall any other that has turned the NLRB over to a bunch of gangsters, the union thugs, this president is trying to flood this country with mexicans and who knows who else, while Americans are loosing everything, this president is a muslim that is set on turning our country over the the muslims, this president is a bigger liar than Bubba Clinton, this president coundn’t care less about ” African Americans” , this president has filed law suites against a state in this country for illegal leaches from mexico, this president supported the union thugs against a state in this union, this president does not know how to be president. If you are trying to say he is treated as he is because he is black, stick it up your nose. You are a complete idiot woman. I don’t know of any president that has ruled a law unconstitutional, this president thinks he is a king. Lady, go dig a hole and crawl in it. ******************************************* No, thank you. As long as there are Americans gullible enough to swallow bigoted nonsense like the above, I’ll… Read more »

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poppajoe49
July 19, 2011 4:20 am

“Obama’s administration has every right to file a lawsuit against a state that tries to defy federal immigration law.” Well, how do you feel about them filing suit against a state that is following US immigration law? That’s exactly what he has done to Arizona. “That silly cliché about “union thugs” was fed to you by corporate shills” Tha union thugs aren’t the rank and file for the most part, they are the bosses! I used to be a union member, 2 different unions to be exact. They didn’t seem to give 2 whits about the rank and file unless there was a political statement or money to be made from it! What you need to be aware of is that the rank and file in the construction trades are mostly conservative thinkers and voters, in spite of what the AFL-CIO tells them to do. The people you see protesting against the changes the states are making to collective bargaining are teachers and government employees, those are the ones who have been spoiled with their cushy jobs, ridculous pay and benefits, and outrageous retirement packages, all at our expense. The trade unions have nothing near the packages that the government… Read more »

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 2:54 am

“That silly cliché about “union thugs” was fed to you by corporate shills”

Tha union thugs aren’t the rank and file for the most part, they are the bosses! I used to be a union member, 2 different unions to be exact. They didn’t seem to give 2 whits about the rank and file unless there was a political statement or money to be made from it! What you need to be aware of is that the rank and file in the construction trades are mostly conservative thinkers and voters, in spite of what the AFL-CIO tells them to do.
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If that’s true, then you’ve just validated my observation that the right wing is all about “I’ve got mine, scr*w you.”

They disapprove of “union bosses,” but choose to work in a union trade anyway? Talk about biting the hand that feeds you…… 😉

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 3:26 am

Choose? Unless they live in a right to work state they do not always have a choice. Olivia, now you’re just being disingenuous.

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 4:24 am

They disapprove of “union bosses,” but choose to work in a union trade anyway?

Disapproving of my union bosses is why I no longer work for a union! I am self employed and moved to a right to work state, but then you knew that, because I told you that 2 weeks ago!

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drb
July 20, 2011 5:40 am

hat trick!

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 3:59 am

You are what you’re raised to be. Obama was raised in a Muslim country, went to a Muslim school, so I guess that makes him Jewish in your eyes! ******************** Since when did Hawaii become a “Muslim country,” Poppajoe? And since when does anyone who spends less than four years in a foreign country automatically embrace that country’s predominant religion? <<Illegal immigrants (who aren’t all Mexican, by the way) wouldn’t come here if employers didn’t hire them. *************************** OK, the point that they aren’t all Mexicans is valid, many of them are from countries that Mexico won’t let them in from! Why is it that Mexico can enforce a much stricter immigration policy than the US, but we are condemned for ours? *************************** ARE we condemned for our immigration policy? I wasn't aware of that, to be honest with you. But, if we are, it might have something to do with the fact that this nation was built on immigrants. And, of course, that this nation is much wealthier and more powerful than Mexico, and therefore might be expected by some to be able to accommodate more immigrants. Of course, I doubt most illegal immigrants consider any of this, when… Read more »

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 4:31 am

“Since when did Hawaii become a “Muslim country,”
INDONESIA you moron!

“since when does anyone who spends less than four years in a foreign country automatically embrace that country’s predominant religion?”
When it’s also the religion of your father and stepfather, and you’re looking for their approval.

“ARE we condemned for our immigration policy?”
Sorry, I forgot you don’t have a TV, radit, newspaper, brain, etc!
Vincente Fox condemned us for our immigration policy, all the while nobody from South America is allowed to legally enter Mexico!

“but can you back it up with any sort of statistics?”
Sorry, Adolf—-no can do.
I’m not going to scurry around collecting evidence to try to persuade you of something that you have no intention of accepting anyway. It matters very little whether you agree with me on this point—I don’t need your stamp of approval.

“Wrong. Obama’s administration is objecting to a state law that attempts to supersede federal law, which is unconstitutional. ”
WRONG, they merely created a state law that mirrors federal law, but since it doesn’t fit your nice, neat little package of prejudice, you will ignore the facts.

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drb
July 20, 2011 5:33 am

2nd 3rd…woot

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July 19, 2011 4:34 am

It simply means that he takes his oath of office—-in which he pledged to uphold the Constitution—–seriously.
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Sorry O, but if obama cared about the Constitution, he’d be refusing to support many of his own bills. After all, there is nothing constitutional about Obamacare. Forcing consumers to buy a product (health insurance), with the threat of government (fine or prison), is certainly unconstitutional.

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poppajoe49
July 19, 2011 4:52 am

Forcing consumers to buy a product (health insurance), with the threat of government (fine or prison), is certainly unconstitutional.

It certainly is Constitutional! It falls under the Commerce Clause, in the “For your own good” section, under the “we know what you need better than you do” subsection! 😉

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July 19, 2011 5:11 am

Jumping Jehosaphat. I finally see the Light and his name is Barack. Thank You poppajoe49, you have made it all so clear. I am a compete moron and the guberment will always take care of me because I am too stupid to take care of my own needs.

Hallelujah, Praise Jesus!

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 2:56 am

It simply means that he takes his oath of office—-in which he pledged to uphold the Constitution—–seriously.
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Sorry O, but if obama cared about the Constitution, he’d be refusing to support many of his own bills. After all, there is nothing constitutional about Obamacare.
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Would you mind citing the legal precedents establishing that it’s unconstitutional and the rationale thereof?

Or are you just parroting that favorite line of poorly informed right wingers, “If it isn’t listed in the Constitution, then we ain’t supposed to do it”?

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 3:31 am

Tell you what, Olivia? The burden of proof will fall on the administration to prove constitutionality of the insurance mandate. For now I believe one can make a case that it violates the 14th Amendment for starters and it certainly does not fall under any of the 18 enumerated powers. That all said, it may hold up since it will not be the first time that the government ignored the Constitution.

PS please do not tell us that it falls under the Commerce Clause. The government may try that argument but no where does that clause give the government the power to force a citizen to by a commercial product.

So even better than case precedent, I went right to the source for my argument. When this case is finally heard by SCOTUS, and if it rules your way, then the federal government can then force you to buy anything it deems necessary. You may even be forced to by a gun, Olivia, if those crazy bright wingers regain executive power.

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 4:17 am

Tell you what, Olivia? The burden of proof will fall on the administration to prove constitutionality of the insurance mandate. For now I believe one can make a case that it violates the 14th Amendment for starters and it certainly does not fall under any of the 18 enumerated powers. That all said, it may hold up since it will not be the first time that the government ignored the Constitution. ***************************** Heaven help us, it’s yet ANOTHER right wing lay person who’s already convinced that he knows more about the Constitution than the judges who try such cases. Once again, that right wing propaganda machine pumps its listeners so full of self-esteem that they think they know it all. 😀 You’re correct about one thing, Kick—-I’m sure this will be played out in court. But it’s rather arrogant of you to assume that, if the courts don’t reach the decision YOU want them to reach, that they’re “ignoring the Constitution.” *************************** PS please do not tell us that it falls under the Commerce Clause. The government may try that argument but no where does that clause give the government the power to force a citizen to by a commercial… Read more »

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 4:57 am

Your argument is flawed let me explain: “As I’ve stated at least 100 times here, Kick, I personally favor fully socialized medicine—–in effect, expanding Medicare for all citizens. So don’t even bother arguing with me about “buy(ing) a commercial product.” I don’t like the idea of health care being a commodity, to be sold for the biggest profit possible. Considering that we Americans pay much, much more per capita for health care than any other country in the world, that 50.7 million Americans still have NO health care plan, other than home remedies, Tylenol, bandaids and borrowing the neighbor’s stash of antibiotics; and that medical bills are still the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy in the U.S., that system isn’t work” +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Much to chew on here…let’s go. Because doctors and nurses enter the market place to sell their labor, medicine is indeed a commodity whether you think so or not. To provide a universal coverage denies fiscal and economic reality-simply not affordable- and you are advocating capping health workers income and assume that will stand for it. There is a reason why doctors from overseas come here to practice and it is not to earn a “living wage” as… Read more »

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 5:11 am

“MOST important don’t be so naive to assume that costs will go down with the federal government administering health care.”

Sidekick, thank you for setting me up!
When has the government EVER done ANYTHING more cost effictively than private enterprise?
Answer, NEVER!!
To save Oblivious the trouble.
Translation: The government sets up multi-level bureaucracy whenever it institutes a program, that way it can ensure its survival at the expense of the taxpayer.

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 5:20 am

Hayek and others talk about the fallacy that the state can have an efficient command economy. They argue that it is an impossibility because the State can never have enough information to make proper decisions over something as vast as a national economy. I fully agree.

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 5:31 am

“They can always go to the emergency room” is NOT a substitute (nor is it an affordable alternative).”

Unless you’re low income, or here illegally.
Every hospital emergency room I have ever been in has a poster on the wall that tells you if you cannot afford your bill, there is a sliding scale based on your income that you will be billed according to.
The difference is picked up by their overbilling the insurance of everyone else.
If your hospital doesn’t have this poster, then you work for a private hospital that isn’t required to do this, and you make too much money anyway!
To deny this just shows your typical liberal move of omitting all the facts that don’t fit your argument.

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 6:26 am

“They can always go to the emergency room” is NOT a substitute (nor is it an affordable alternative).” ************************* Unless you’re low income, or here illegally. Every hospital emergency room I have ever been in has a poster on the wall that tells you if you cannot afford your bill, there is a sliding scale based on your income that you will be billed according to. The difference is picked up by their overbilling the insurance of everyone else. If your hospital doesn’t have this poster, then you work for a private hospital that isn’t required to do this, and you make too much money anyway! To deny this just shows your typical liberal move of omitting all the facts that don’t fit your argument. *************************** No, you’re missing the whole point, Poppajoe. That point being that:] 1) ER treatment is NOT free. 2) No, hospital emergency room are NOT required to say anything about “sliding scale.” They are required by federal law to provide medical screening and emergency stabilization, and patients who can’t afford to pay are encouraged to contact the billing department. Some specific conditions—for example, type 2 diabetes and renal failure—-may qualify for charity care. Others receive… Read more »

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brm
July 20, 2011 8:09 am

Good gawd, womyn, can’t you say ANYTHING in under 10,000 words???!!!

😉

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brm
July 20, 2011 8:12 am

Follow my example, please, in how to make your point clearly, concisely and in as few words as possible:

Turds!!

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 10:57 am

“1) ER treatment is NOT free.” It is for you if you qualify, it just gets pushed onto the backs of those that have insurance or the ability to pay their own way. “2) No, hospital emergency room are NOT required to say anything about “sliding scale.” They are required by federal law to provide medical screening and emergency stabilization, and patients who can’t afford to pay are encouraged to contact the billing department. ” And that is posted in the ER. The point is, everyone knows the score, the posting is just a formality. 3) Emergency treatment is NOT the same thing as ongoing health care. No, it isn’t, but that doesn’t stop the illegals and indigent from using it as such. “By the way, it’s a right wing myth that illegal immigrants get better health care treatment than U.S. citizens. Standards of care are the same across the board, regardless of gender, age, national origin, sexual orientation or ability to pay.” I never said better, I said free! Although, free is better, it still falls on the backs of others to pay for it, that is why insurance is billed ridiculous rates for things like aspirin. That’s why… Read more »

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 5:51 am

“As I’ve stated at least 100 times here, Kick, I personally favor fully socialized medicine—–in effect, expanding Medicare for all citizens. So don’t even bother arguing with me about “buy(ing) a commercial product.” I don’t like the idea of health care being a commodity, to be sold for the biggest profit possible. Considering that we Americans pay much, much more per capita for health care than any other country in the world, that 50.7 million Americans still have NO health care plan, other than home remedies, Tylenol, bandaids and borrowing the neighbor’s stash of antibiotics; and that medical bills are still the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy in the U.S., that system isn’t work” +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Much to chew on here…let’s go. Because doctors and nurses enter the market place to sell their labor, medicine is indeed a commodity whether you think so or not. *********************** In that case, every service that involves employing people—-police departments, local charities, public libraries, state legislatures, fire protection—–is a “commodity.” But it doesn’t necessarily follow that they all have to be sold for a profit, does it? ********************************** To provide a universal coverage denies fiscal and economic reality-simply not affordable- and you are advocating capping… Read more »

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 6:19 am

I made my case, history is on my side and you are too wedded to your ideas to go any further. Pointless to go on with you re: healthcare. You simply are not able to grasp that it is not affordable witness every broke country with national care and central command economies fail every time. You are a Marxist, I am a free enterprise advocate. There will never be common ground found with us.

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 6:25 am

In short, let the market be truly open Re: health care/ insurance and watch the prices come down Sadly, since most doctors peg their rates to Medicare, the system is already so badly fouled thanks to the government. It probably can never be free market unless Medicare is pushed down to the states with bloc grants. Probably pretty unlikely. Anyway, I’ve had enough of your anecdotal tripe. Next time when you write that much, cite something to back up those endless claims that you make.

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David Bishop
July 20, 2011 6:28 am

I followed your link. What is wrong with people volunteering their time to help the poor?

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 11:01 am

Because she isn’t getting paid for it.

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 4:33 am

Would you mind citing the legal precedents establishing that it’s unconstitutional and the rationale thereof?

Sorry, Adolf—-no can do.

I’m not going to scurry around collecting evidence to try to persuade you of something that you have no intention of accepting anyway. It matters very little whether you agree with me on this point—I don’t need your stamp of approval.

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July 19, 2011 9:05 pm

“That silly cliché about “union thugs” was fed to you by corporate shills”

Sorry, sweetie. I’m a union member, I know a thug when I see one. And no, I’m NOT a member of a government employee union. I have some pride.

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 2:59 am

“That silly cliché about “union thugs” was fed to you by corporate shills”

Sorry, sweetie. I’m a union member, I know a thug when I see one. And no, I’m NOT a member of a government employee union. I have some pride.
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Translation: “But that’s different, ’cause I’M the one reaping the benefits. ‘Thugs’ are union leaders who get benefits for OTHER people, especially minorities that I don’t like.”

Your excuses are as transparent as glass, mon petit chou. 😉

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 3:11 am

How did you read that into that post?

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 4:37 am

How did you read that into that post?

She’s Karnak the Magnificent.

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 4:14 am

Oblivious, here’s a quarter, go buy a clue!

If you knew ANYTHING about Unions it would be amazing!
The benefit packages that we get in the trade unions are COMPLETELY SELF FINANCED!!! Medical and retirement funds do not use public money to pay them. There is a separate account for each person, and their funds are placed in there according to how many hours you work, just like a 401k. You get to manage your funds and whatever is in your account when you retire is what you get to draw from.
Therefore, no unfunded liabilities!

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 4:25 am

Oblivious, here’s a quarter, go buy a clue!

If you knew ANYTHING about Unions it would be amazing!
The benefit packages that we get in the trade unions are COMPLETELY SELF FINANCED!!! Medical and retirement funds do not use public money to pay them. There is a separate account for each person, and their funds are placed in there according to how many hours you work, just like a 401k. You get to manage your funds and whatever is in your account when you retire is what you get to draw from.
Therefore, no unfunded liabilities!
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Poppajoe, how do you suppose union members afford those separate accounts?

They get paid A LIVING WAGE, that’s how! And how did they manage to get a living wage? BY BEING IN A UNION!

Do you seriously think that a nonunion tradesman, who’s making, say, $13 an hour with no benefits, can afford to “self finance” ANY medical or retirement fund? 😀

I think it’s YOU who need to get a clue, Poppajoe. Again, you’re biting the hand that fed you, while comfortably telling yourself “I’ve got mine,” and condemning those who want and need the same benefits YOU’VE enjoyed.

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 4:29 am

So, one must be in a labor union to get a “living wage”? An organization that you must tithe roughly 10% of your income? An organization that kills off its host companies and therefore its membership? Olivia, you are being obtuse again.

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drb
July 20, 2011 5:41 am

4th 3rd…

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 4:48 am

By the way, speaking of jobs…………

After the Packers v. Bills game, Buffalo released quarterbackTrent Edwards.

During the Packers v. Eagles game, the Packers injuredPhiladelphia quarterback Kevin Kolb. Philadelphia then had to play backup quarterback Michael Vick.

During a playoff game against the Eagles, the Packers injured Michael Vick and another backup was needed.

After the Packers v. Cowboys game, Dallas fired Wade Phillips.

After the Packers v. Vikings game, Minnesota fired Brad Childress.

Four weeks after losing to the Packers, the 49er’s coach,Mike Singletary, was fired and replaced.

During the Bears playoff game, the Packers injured Jay Cutler and backup Todd Collins forcing the Bears to go with 3rd string quarterback Caleb Hanie.

Question:

Is it just me, or did the Packers create more jobs than Obama last year?

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 5:39 am

Yes, but they used SEIU thug tactics to do it. Look at that injury rate!

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danybhoy
July 20, 2011 8:08 am

The Packers will always create more jobs then anything Obama will ever do. As a Bears fan who was born & raised in Minnesota, I have to say when I visited Lambeau Field last May when I was in Green Bay for a concert, I had a blast. They have a tour, & I did that, & it was really cool. They take you throughout much of the stadium, including to the playing surface. I really do want to catch a game there, & I have a couple of friends who would be game for that.

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drb
July 20, 2011 5:36 am

hat trick

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poppajoe49
July 18, 2011 7:21 pm

Jackson Lee (D-Mars)

Sorry ed, but if men are from Mars, and women are from Venus, then Sheila Jackson Lee is from Pluto! Just ask Walt Disney.
I would say she was from Uranus, but she doesn’t make that much sense.

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Hellen
July 19, 2011 12:00 am

Like Shirley Q Liquor says, “she gots nostrils so big, you could use them for cupholders!” lol….she is such a moron…..an embarrassment to Houston!!!!!

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Olivia
July 19, 2011 2:14 am

Like Shirley Q Liquor says, “she gots nostrils so big, you could use them for cupholders!” lol….she is such a moron…..an embarrassment to Houston!!!!!
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I’d say you”re all struggling awfully hard to heap juvenile insults on her.

Maybe because you KNOW there’s a grain of truth to what she’s saying, and lack the courage and honesty to admit it?

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poppajoe49
July 19, 2011 4:01 am

Hellen, Houston has so much to be embarassed about that Sheila is just another pimple on their butt!

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LibsMakeMeLaugh
July 19, 2011 4:22 am

I live in Houston & yes she is an idiot. Unfourtunately democrat district boundries keep getting redrawn to include more & more minorities (common tactic by libs to stay in office). We all know most minorities are taught to vote for anyone with a “D” behind their name.

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July 19, 2011 5:02 am

Hey Hellen & LibsMakeMeLaugh, have you ever wondered why blacks vote for democrats? This is the same democratic party that foisted and fought for enslaving black people in the 19th century, did the same thing in the 20th and into the 21st centuries – shackling to black population to hopelessness and dependency on the Democratic Party. Back then, it was through physical force. Today, it is through political force as any black person not towing the liberal line is branded an Uncle Tom or a porch monkey of the white man. Democrats are the ones that run failed minority urban schools, failed minority urban cities, have replaced the father with the government via welfare, etc. The list is endless, but there is only one result – the lifelong dependency of the black community on the Democratic apparatus via social programs specifically designed to shackle them. So one has to ask, why blacks vote for democrats? And in light of this question, one has to wonder why the black community vote for other blacks that continues to enslave their own community. Reminds me of the Jews in WWII who worked for the Germans in the concentration camps. Shelia Jackson is doing… Read more »

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July 19, 2011 9:09 pm

The difference is, back in the slave days, and the Nazi camp days, the prisoners knew that the turncoats were actually against them. Now, through the wonders of the public schools, they actually VOTE for the idiots!

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 2:51 am

The difference is, back in the slave days, and the Nazi camp days, the prisoners knew that the turncoats were actually against them. Now, through the wonders of the public schools, they actually VOTE for the idiots!
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How many posters here went to public school?
Can any of you answer honestly?

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 3:12 am

And the point of that question….?

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 4:20 am

How many posters here went to public school?

I went to Catholic school from K-8, then went to public school for high school.
High school is where I got my pro-abortion ideas, and my idea that Carter would make a good President. It was a herd mentality, everyone wanted to be liked, so we all went along with whatever indoctrination was being taught.

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drb
July 20, 2011 4:27 am

I went to Catholic school from 1st-7th grade, then dad quit paying for it (he left 3 years prior) and mom couldn’t pay for it so it was public school there after.

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 4:39 am

I went to Catholic school from 1st-7th grade, then dad quit paying for it (he left 3 years prior) and mom couldn’t pay for it so it was public school there after.
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Given your own circumstances, I guess I could see why you would be in favor of school vouchers (if you are).

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drb
July 20, 2011 5:20 am

Are you pretending to know my mind again?
Considering I have said nothing what-so-ever on the subject of school vouchers…why yes, yes you are.

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 4:33 am

went to Catholic school from K-8, then went to public school for high school.
High school is where I got my pro-abortion ideas, and my idea that Carter would make a good President. It was a herd mentality, everyone wanted to be liked, so we all went along with whatever indoctrination was being taught.
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No true liberal would ever confuse the concept of being pro choice with being “pro abortion,” Poppajoe. I strongly suspect either that your above claim is a crock, or that you were basically apolitical in high school.

But I do believe one thing about you: that you had (and still have) that herd instinct. You parrot the same lies about liberals that I hear promoted by the usual right wing suspects. And, even though you’re actually interacting on this board with a real live liberal every single day, you still keep parroting those lies about us, instead of listening to what we’re really about, how we really live, and what we really believe in.

That suggests that you’re still letting yourself be swayed by propaganda, and still uninterested in going straight to the source for information.

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poppajoe49
July 20, 2011 4:45 am

“But I do believe one thing about you: that you had (and still have) that herd instinct.”

Then you’re a bigger idiot than I give you credit for.

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 5:14 am

“No true liberal would ever confuse the concept of being pro choice with being “pro abortion,”

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Orwell would be proud of that nuanced rationale. Whatever helps a liberal sleep at night, I guess.

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drb
July 20, 2011 5:45 am

2nd hat trick! woot! Thanks for the assists, Poppa and Sidekick

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Babydoll102187
July 20, 2011 10:21 am

“No true liberal would ever confuse the concept of being pro choice with being “pro abortion,”

Would you care to elaborate on the difference? I find this statement of yours confusing.

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drb
July 20, 2011 10:40 am

Oh it isn’t so confussing really. If you think abortion should be legal but not necessarily the best option then you can say you are pro-choice. If you think some one SHOULD have an abortion for whatever reason then you are pro-abortion. If you think abortion should be illegal then you may be called both anti-choice and anti-abortion

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 10:54 am

Oh, Drb. You are spending too much time with Olivia : P

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drb
July 20, 2011 1:23 pm

nope…I live in NC 😉
I’m surrounded by them.

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Babydoll102187
July 20, 2011 2:31 pm

Ah! Thank you Drb! It all makes sense now :)

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drb
July 20, 2011 5:43 am

5th 3rd!!

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 3:14 am

This is the same democratic party that foisted and fought for enslaving black people in the 19th century, did the same thing in the 20th and into the 21st centuries – shackling to black population to hopelessness and dependency on the Democratic Party. Back then, it was through physical force. Today, it is through political force as any black person not towing the liberal line is branded an Uncle Tom or a porch monkey of the white man. Democrats are the ones that run failed minority urban schools, failed minority urban cities, have replaced the father with the government via welfare, etc. The list is endless, but there is only one result – the lifelong dependency of the black community on the Democratic apparatus via social programs specifically designed to shackle them. So one has to ask, why blacks vote for democrats? And in light of this question, one has to wonder why the black community vote for other blacks that continues to enslave their own community. Reminds me of the Jews in WWII who worked for the Germans in the concentration camps. Shelia Jackson is doing the work of those bad “white man” back in the 1800s, enslaving her… Read more »

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PsychoDad
July 19, 2011 7:19 pm

Aw quit pickin’ on Livvy, she’s just a girl!

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 5:15 am

You don’t know that for certain, Psycho.

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Olivia
July 20, 2011 6:32 am

Author: David Bishop
Comment:
I followed your link. What is wrong with people volunteering their time to help the poor?
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Nothing whatsoever. Bleeding heart liberal that I am, I would have been there myself, if it had taken place near where I live.

What’s wrong with it is the fact that, in the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world, hundreds or thousands of people are having to drive across 3 states and sleep in their cars for 1 or 2 nights, just to get affordable dental care or to have a worrisome mole removed.

We can do better, David. We MUST do better. Do I really need to spell it out any further to you?

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David Bishop
July 20, 2011 6:38 am

The problem is we aren’t the wealthiest nation in the world. We are one of the poorest.

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Sidekick
July 20, 2011 9:23 am

And only by a thorough redistribution of wealth can we do better, right Olivia?

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July 20, 2011 9:31 am

Finally. I knew if I just worked hard enough, long enough, I would get my just rewards. THIRD!

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deepthinker
July 20, 2011 8:25 am

Folks some times its just best to ignore ignorance.

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