Probably one of those phony internet things, but we like it anyway

by editor on August 23, 2011

Yeah, this is probably one of those phony internet things. We get ’em all the time. But this one is so well done and so damned appropriate that we’re going with it anyway.

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H/T: Raymundo

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MGAP
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MGAP

“Lighten up, Francis.”

Taxed to Death
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Taxed to Death

Is it me or does this Indian Chief look like George Bush?

minutemanbob
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minutemanbob

The Native American people had one of the greatest civilizations in the history of the planet. They knew the land and the animals, they respected the land and the animals, they did not waste anything, even used the bones at times. They never hunted for sport, only food and clothing. They had a great spirituality, although not in line with Christianity, but it was a very esoteric spirituality that served them well. They were also very intelligent, very combative and tactically adept, and they defended their lands from invasion by outsiders, like Spain, Mexico, and the Europeans (us). I admire them, their culture, their creativity, and their bravery. I wish we had all of the Native American nations with us when this upcoming insurrection happens. We could use them to scalp liberals and socialists, and muzzies.

john
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john

That’s how I feel on the subject MMB especially your last sentence. I have a Tshirt with a picture of 4 Comanche that says ” Directors of Homeland Security, Fighting Terrorists since 1492″. The modern Navajo and other tribes in the south west make excellent Border Patrol because of thier knowledge of the land ans tracking skills. The native Americans I know are humble, intelligent and patriotic. Of course they have the same issues we all have.

perlcat
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I’d have to say that you read a lot of dime novels.

What each tribe had varied greatly between each other. However, in comparison to European culture, the vast majority were all aboriginals. There’s no shame in that — it just means they did not develop a lifestyle beyond subsistence hunter/gathering, notable exceptions being navajo and Cherokee. An aboriginal culture simply cannot cope with more modern cultures. Calling them out as “one of the greatest” begs the question “in comparison to what?” It’s like talking about how advanced those draft horses are in comparison to oxen. Kind of pales in comparison to more modern farming techniques.

Unfortunately, they lost their cultural struggle with the Europeans the day they traded their first hides for steel arrowheads.

So far as cleanliness? Well, I know several tribes to whom I am related that have not significantly moved to european standards of household cleanliness. Trash is thrown outside the house in heaps. That doesn’t sound very tidy to me, and eating the entire animal had a lot more to do with starvation than a sense of economy. How they acted once they had firearms, and shooting deer didn’t take an all day stalking was significantly different.

Your faux romanticism keeps you from seeing the original americans for what they are — ordinary people — no better and no worse than anyone else. As hunter gatherers, they had high infant mortality, and winters were brutal indeed. They as a collection fought incessantly — the characterization of them when they had acquired horses as the world’s best light cavalry glosses over the fact that they sharpened that particular sword on all and sundry.

Also, your bit about scalping? Pretty offensive, really.

andre
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andre

“The Native American people had one of the greatest civilizations in the history of the planet”

That depends on your definition of “great”.

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon

They had plenty of sport killing going on all around. They also had trouble with the idea of possessions. The honor systems mentioned throughout most of the writings we have about them today were hardly universal. The tribes did indeed war with one another for reasons big and small. There were people of varying degrees of capacity for thought as well as good guys and major arsewipes, people that would take advantage of others less inclined to do so. It was hardly the best way humans existed, so far as we know. Even with all it’s faults, a civilized world is a better place than that. Don’t forget, they’re ultimately responsible for all the deaths caused by smoking!

RockingHorseGuy
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The way I learned it, the Europeans brought tobacco with them and introduced it to the natives. Did I get it wrong?

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon

Uh-oh! One of us obviously got it mixed up but I think here you are correct, it was you. For your perusal:

Prehistory: In 2010, tobacco was found that dates to the Pleistocene Era 2.5 million years ago. Paleontologists from the Meyer-Honninger Paleontology Museum discovered the small block of fossilised tobacco in the Maranon river basin in northeastern Peru.
Prehistory: As far as human use of tobacco, although small amounts of nicotine may be found in some Old World plants, including belladonna and Nicotiana africana, and nicotine metabolites have been found in human remains and pipes in the Near East and Africa, there is no indication of habitual tobacco use in the Ancient world, on any continent save the Americas.
The sacred origin of tobacco and the first pipe (Schoolcraft)
c. 6000 BCE: Experts believe the tobacco plant, as we know it today, begins growing in the Americas.

Excerpted from http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html

RockingHorseGuy
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Oh, that’s right. It was tuberculosis that the Europeans brought with them. That’s almost as bad as tobacco.

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon

Bad as tobacco but not as addictive, yet harder to quit. Sadly making a comeback.

CO2Insanity
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Remind Chief CO2 Insanity of old joke.

One night Chief sitting around fire in front of teepee. Youngest son sits by him and says “Father, how you pick our names when we born?”

Chief says, “That easy. When I made love to your mother before your older brother was born I see running buffalo. So I name him Running Buffalo. When I making love to your mother before your older sister was born I see baby deer, so I name your sister Fawn………………………………..Why you ask this Broken Rubber?”

CaliforniaDave
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CaliforniaDave

The way I heard it, the punchline was “Why do you ask, Two Dogs F*cking?”

DefHarryMelon
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DefHarryMelon

That was the punchline they way I learned it 35 years ago. I think there may have been another slight difference in that rather than the naming at the time of conception, it was at birth.

RKae
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RKae

Living in squallor and mud. High infant mortality rate. Brutal wars with other tribes (with the added job of mutilating the enemy corpses). No technological advancement in 6,000 years. No written language. Reshaping babies heads by tying planks to them.

Sorry we messed up your paradise.

john
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john

Same could be said about Europe until fairly recent times, except for the written language but even that only a few scholars could read and write until recently, so get of your high horse.

RKae
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RKae

No argument there. Pagan Europe was (quite different from what some cartoon “Wicca” followers would have you believe) was a hell-hole of ignorance, incest and infanticide. Christianity, for all its faults, was the best damned thing to happen to those sick, primitive people.

I’m sick to my bowels of the romanticizing of European pagans, just as I’m sick of the romanticizing of the Native Americans.

I wish we could have honesty in history instead of a wild swing of the pendulum in one direction, then a wild swing of the pendulum in the opposite direction. “History written by the winners” indeed! We won, but now we’ve sentenced ourselves to White-Guilt Hell and invented the myth of the brilliant and poetic Indian who had some sort of paradise.

Tesslea
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Tesslea

As a descendant of those Native Americans, my great grandmother lived on a reservation until she was married, there was nothing romantic about their lives. They lived and survived the only way they knew how just as everyone else did. European pagans were no different from Native Americans. The church did to them the exact same thing Americans did to indians… convert or die. It’s the way of the world and always has been. It’s what the muslim world wants to do to us, convert or die. Seems like nothing ever changes, does it?

andre
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andre

That is non-sequitur. The post was not about Europe. It was about Native Americans. Saying this and that about Europe does not refute, support, or prove anything either way.

EAkr
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EAkr

I think its just supposed to be a joke bud, chill.

PsychoDad
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I dunno phony or not, but OLD!!!