MSNBC host doesn’t like calling fallen military “heroes.” Chris Hayes, intellectualizing on the topic of military casualties this morning: “I think it’s interesting because I think it is very difficult to talk about the war dead and the fallen without invoking valor, without invoking the words ‘heroes.’ Um, and, ah, ah, why do I feel so comfortable [sic] about the word ‘hero?’ I feel comfortable, ah, uncomfortable, about the word because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war.”

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KimmyQueen May 27, 2012 at 7:54 pm

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ha? So soldiers dying and being called heroes somehow CREATES a justification for more war?! So soldiers are in essence suicidal or their decision to be soldiers is based on a necessity to die as heroes so maybe they are narcissistic? :-/ Or else government lauds fallen soldiers in order to recruit more narcissistic suicidal soldiers? This dude is absolutely stupid and another liberal moron. There are two many of those out there.

CO2Insanity May 27, 2012 at 8:21 pm

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If the a-hole would have watched 60 Minutes tonight he wouldn’t be saying this crap.

J.P. Travis May 28, 2012 at 6:29 am

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Yeah I saw that. That was pretty angry-making, too, listening to how the rear-echelon woudn’t send air support or even an armored truck. Bastards.

Joe May 27, 2012 at 8:30 pm

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Well this is no surprise. This guy would consider himself and his failing network as “heroes” in a heartbeat, while the rest of us would consider them assholes. As I go forward in life I find myself more and more antiwar for 1000 different reasons, which I won’t go into since this is not the forum for it, but our fallen and their families should be given far more consideration than some prick sitting behind a desk in a comfortable chair expressing his opinion. He’s to stupid to realize he has the ability to express that opinion in a free society because of those who fought and died on the battlefield.

This is just the left though. They champion the occupiers who rape and vandalize and criticize our military who show this thing called valor. God Bless free speech, I hope the libs exercise it more often. Conservatives win all day long when they do.

Ruben May 27, 2012 at 9:05 pm

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…he says from ‘neath the blanket of freedom provided him by heroes living and fallen.

CO2Insanity May 27, 2012 at 9:24 pm

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No shit on that. It always amazes me the assholes don’t get that their freedom of speech was paid for by a lot of soldier’s blood.

GhostntheMachine May 28, 2012 at 2:07 am

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There’s something about this that touches me in ways I don’t completely understand and couldn’t begin to describe and wanted to share this Memorial Day. Haunting is as close as I can get, but it’s more than that

It’s playing in another tab as we speak (so to speak) and I’ve always wanted to use it in a video with stills from the 1770′s to today along the lines of this

The girl who put that together was 16 when she did it in ’06. Even in today’s world I still get blown away by some things. Imagine, a tribute from a 16 year old girl to just shy of 31 million views. Thanks to all our Warriors, past and present. And to all of you for letting me run on a little.

Geoff B May 28, 2012 at 12:44 am

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Our fallen soldiers ARE heroes. Pure and simple. Chris Hayes can eat shit. End of story.

Missile Command May 28, 2012 at 1:20 am

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Yeah? Well I don’t like calling MSNBC and the cretins that work there a news organization. Hayes is a real jackass.

Sidekick May 28, 2012 at 3:44 am

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Mewling jerk. Hayes redefines the notion of the pseudo-intellectual, effete, smug liberal.

deepthinker May 28, 2012 at 4:21 am

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Hayes needs to remember it is the war heros that give his arrogant ass the right to spout off stupid shit and write check with his mouth that his liberal weak ass can not cash.

Progressive Hemrrhoid May 28, 2012 at 4:37 am

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So another spineless liberal decides to to cover his own lack of courage by disrespecting our military Heroes who paid the ultimate price. That sniveling coward would shit his pants and start crying the first time a drill instructor yelled at his sorry ass.

Sidekick May 28, 2012 at 4:49 am

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On another site that I like to visit there is a blog set up today for visitors to write in remembrance of friends or relatives who made the ultimate sacrifice. IMO, this is a good place to do the same and metaphorically give Hayes the finger.

Today, I remember LT Tom Costen, USN. Tom was shot down and killed in his A-6 over Baghdad during Desert Storm. Tom was one year behind me at college. He was a fraternity brother and friend. He was only 27.

J.P. Travis May 28, 2012 at 6:35 am

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My father was the oldest of 9 boys. The second oldest, and my father’s best friend, was Robert Gravelyn, who flew a bomber in World War II and was shot down over Europe. My father is 93 now, and his advanced age makes me realize just how much his brother missed. The chance to come home and be a man in peacetime, get married, have a family, enjoy grandchildren and great-grandchildren, and watch all the amazing changes in the world since 1943. There is no greater regret than the regret of the life unlived. That young men have volunteered to risk this loss for generations to protect individual liberty and the American way of life is something that should never be forgotten.

MGAP May 28, 2012 at 5:40 am

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The evil that man is capable of when given power and is then left un-checked is what creates war. Of those wars are born heroes.
Because of these heroes, Mr. Hayes is allowed to spout his opinions with impunity. Whether we agree with him or not.

flashingscotsman May 28, 2012 at 7:14 am

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The men who fight wars are heroes. The men who create wars, often not so much. But I hear people railing against our participation even in WWII. I’m glad this country was made of better stuff than that. Our men were heroes, and helped to save the world from the likes of Hitler. Anyone who doesn’t think they have something to be proud of is obviously insane.

toocoldinwa May 28, 2012 at 7:01 am

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A weak-kneed, spineless coward lost in the fog bank of relativity they call “intellectualism.”

Elrond Hubbard May 28, 2012 at 7:20 am

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Hey, it’s MSNBC. Is anyone surprised by crap like this? Chris Hayes is just a symptom of the leftist rot on that network.

PsychoDad May 28, 2012 at 11:26 am

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He probably figures some unemployed, overeducated, whiny little shitheel taking a crap on a police car is a hero.

Notsosilent May 28, 2012 at 11:32 am

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If WWII occurred now, we would all be speaking German, or Japanese, while people in the administration and news media tell us how the fanatics would be our friends and we must bow to their will…under the umbrella of the UN….think Muslims and it’s deja vu all over again… And Hayes would be in a nazi uniform cheering on Adolph..Whats really sad is this piece of shit says this about men and women who died in combat protecting his right to be a complete asshole. And the powers that be at PMSNBC encourage this kind of assbackwards thinking to get ratings and stimulate debate…If I could I would stimulate Mr. Hayes off a tall building with my foot up his ass. You know the left can’t even set aside a day to HONOR these heros without throwing in some kind of raw sewage. I suspect a great many of these “intellectuals” on the left would suffer from “Battle Fatigue” just having to obey orders and would also suffer from wet pants syndrome once in combat. Mr. Hayes you go ahead and say stupid shit, there will always be a Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine who will die in order to defend your right to make a complete ass of yourself.

danybhoy May 28, 2012 at 4:06 pm

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Chris Hayes basically confirmed what I have always thought about him & people like him thought about our military. It is people like Hayes who always look to our military to cut costs so they can spend money on unconstitutional crap. I cannot stand this guy, he is a classic pseudo intellectual a-hole who is propped up by affirmative action & political correctness. He needs to understamd that it’s our strength that keeps us safe, & not our willingness to kiss the ass of the “global community”. That’s when we get attacked, & it’s those people who do attack us who he really should have a problem with. These are the people who would exicute him for being gay. Maybe he laughed when Ahmadinejad said there were no gays in Iran during a speech at Columbia University, & if he was, & does’nt realize that coming out in Iran is a death sentence, then he’s dumber then I thought he was. He does’nt respect the military, he does’nt like their attitude toward homosexuality, he does’nt like don’t ask, don’t tell, & I’ll say this straight away, he barely deserves to live with the freedom & liberty that our fighting men & women provide this nation. He is a useful idiot, & does not understand what it means to be an American.

greatj May 28, 2012 at 5:52 pm

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Dont forget that Hayes and the rest of the toads on m.s.n.b.c. all work for Obama and the Democratic party.

Notsosilent May 28, 2012 at 10:13 pm

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Looks like Mr Hayes ate a large plate of crow tonight, Fox is reporting his “apology”…

“I don’t want to obviously desecrate or disrespect memory of anyone that’s fallen, and obviously there are individual circumstances in which there is genuine, tremendous heroism — of you know, hail of gunfire, rescuing fellow soldiers and things like that. But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic,” he said. “But maybe I’m wrong about that.”
In his statement, he went on to say, “In seeking to discuss the civilian-military divide and the social distance between those who fight and those who don’t, I ended up reinforcing it, conforming to a stereotype of a removed pundit whose views are not anchored in the very real and very wrenching experience of this long decade of war. And for that I am truly sorry.”

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he is still a piece of shit for doing this on Memorial day. I don’t care how many times he apologizes.

FormerlyDeanH May 29, 2012 at 3:07 am

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If that punk had any balls, I’d like to kick them.

J.P. Travis May 29, 2012 at 5:21 am

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Did you notice what is missing from that apology? Any apology! He’s sorry about reinforcing a stereotype, not sorry for questioning the heroism of fallen soldiers.

He’s still the intellectual pipsqueak imagining that he’s so much smarter than the rest of us that we won’t notice his lack of actual apology. I’m more angry at him now that I was before.

Noelegy May 29, 2012 at 7:13 am

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He’s not sorry for what he said. He’s sorry there was fallout over it.

sa_rose May 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm

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That wasn’t exactly an apology. . .just saying

Notsosilent May 30, 2012 at 5:35 pm

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As close as any liberal will ever come to an apology…..It’s hard for these self ordained Gods to apologize…for in their minds they are perfect…(we know they are asshats)

Alien May 29, 2012 at 1:15 pm

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I was a soldier once. Not all soldiers are heroes.

Not all soldiers need to be heroes. Being a soldier, or a marine, airman, or sailor is enough. It requires courage, training, and discipline. Heroics can get you–or worse, your buddies–killed dead. I never saw combat, but know that a soldier can fall out of sheer misfortune in battlefield chaos. I never saw combat and will never be a hero, but I was a soldier, and I oftentimes wish i might’ve tested myself against the enemy.

Chris Hayes talks too much. He loves to hear himself craft lengthy exposition, and you can tell he irritates his guests. But he appears to care greatly for the fact that this country no longer can find a proper war footing. The costs of war are borne by a sliver of population, and this is wrong.

At another point in the episode, the girl from The Nation uttered something that floored me: she couldn’t understand why there was a parade for military returning from duty in Iraq. Here is a lesson unlearned from Vietnam: The Soldier is not the Policy. And they all jumped on her for it

Tae May 29, 2012 at 5:42 pm

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I don’t think the issue people have relates to whether people need to be called heroes because they personally deserve it for doing something worthy while in combat, or not because they just drove a truck or cooked food. Rather that people should call them heroes because it’s a decent respectful thing you should do.

Here when a man is serving his few years in the military (mandatory when a boy reaches 18 in Taiwan) they always get treated really well by everyone. You get the choice pieces of food at the dinner table, you’re treated with courtesy by everyone, and overall cared for to the highest degree. Everyone treats you like a king even if you do nothing more than sit at a desk. They treat you well because that’s the adult thing to do.

It’s about respect, and if you can’t respect someone else first then how can you expect them to respect you? If they go on to do something great then the respect shown by their fellow soldiers and the fact they did their duty to it’s fullest is it’s own reward.

If you can’t even respect a soldier for serving, how can you expect him to die for you? I think this guy should be slapped in the face, and taught how to be an adult instead of a whiny child. Obviously his parents didn’t teach him.