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Obama nominates openly gay black man to federal bench. Judge William Thomas joins six other openly gay judges nominated by Obama… plus Sotomayor and Kagan on the Supreme court. Maybe this doesn’t even qualify as news. Nominating a straight white male, that would be news.

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hisham November 14, 2012 at 8:16 pm

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I told ya’ll he was nominating his butt buddies!

CO2Insanity November 14, 2012 at 8:27 pm

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I can’t say I have a problem with the guy being openly gay. What I would have a problem with is if he’s going to rubber stamp whatever Obama wants.

RobertW November 14, 2012 at 9:39 pm

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if? IF?

lol. fags have turned away from the truth, that’s why they’re fags. there is no debate on that issue. how then can someone who has turned from the truth be in any kind of position to dispense justice? they can’t, they will only back what is conducive to their agenda.
Please, dear GOD, destroy these abominations

sa_rose November 15, 2012 at 11:10 pm

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aimmer down Robert. I have issues with the whole gay agenda thing, but I believe God loves everyone, and therefore we all need to make an attempt to do the same thing. Hate the sin, love the sinner.

RobertW November 15, 2012 at 11:29 pm

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Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.
2965 kýōn – literally, a dog, scavenging canine; (figuratively) a spiritual predator who feeds off others.

[A loose dog was disdained in ancient times – viewed as a "mooch pooch" that ran about as a scavenger.]

Psalms 5:5 also.

I reckon I’m justified in calling for their destruction, in that, although God takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked it is not wrong to look forward to, indeed pray for, the day they’re ultimately destroyed.

sa_rose November 16, 2012 at 7:18 am

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According to the NEW Testament, we are to love each other as we love ourselves. You planning on self destructing any time soon? Again, hate the SIN, not the sinner.

RobertW November 16, 2012 at 1:55 pm

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Rose, I love ya, however I think your teachers have failed to teach you some very important things.
My first two quotes are from the NT. and when the sinner has been given over to their own lusts they become (in effect) that sin. The God of the OT is the same as the God of the NT. A Christian sins, that is true, but the Christian seeks to live righteously, their heart remains convictable. unlike those who choose to turn their back on the truth and not only continue to sin but seek more opportunities to do wicked.
I have neighbors who’re homosexuals, and as long as there is life there is hope, and I don’t go about railing against them, indeed, I comport myself in a manner towards them that Jesus is proud of, but I neither trust them, nor do I condone their behind closed doors activities. Still and all, I do hope the abominable are destroyed, not because I hate them, but because I hate the sin and want it to stop ere they lead others into death.

sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 9:12 am

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The quotes you listed were from disciples. Mne is frm Jesus as far as we know. Given that, I believe my quote trumps yours. We are called to recognize evil, to avoid it and if possible to stop it. No where are we called to hate the person committing the evil. Just saying.

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 1:34 pm

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“Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give youa this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

again, Rose, your teachers have failed you.

And since God is changeless, what He pronounced in the OT still holds to the New Testament insofar as He feels toward the wicked.

The other quotes I listed are from apostles, not mere disciples.
Also, All scripture is God-breathed and suitable for teaching.
After the Babylonian captivity Israel, as a nation, never again had problems with idolatry, therefore homosexuality was not something that would have been prevalent in their culture contemporary with Jesus earthly life.
Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the *price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

* the hire of a male prostitute. not a gigolo, a homosexual.

sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 6:40 pm

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My teachers have not failed me. Those quotes are from the Revelation to John, again, a disciple. (apostle and disciple are interchangable.) The Revelation to John was a VISION, and likely referred to the current time of destruction of the Temple, not the future, though both could be true. I still say it is GOd who will judge, not I and I am called to love everyone, even if I hate what they are doing. While I have real issues with homosexuals, God loves them, whatever he thinks of their sin. And their sin is no greater than mine, only different.

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 7:04 pm

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(apostle and disciple are interchangable.)
no, they’re not.

and your teachers failed you in this specifically if they indeed taught you this.

DefHarryMelon November 17, 2012 at 7:27 pm

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An apostle is a messenger sent to deliver teachings, while a disciple is a follower learning a discipline. Hope you guys can settle this without too many more thumbs.

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 8:53 pm

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My definition of Apostle is one who was with/witnessed Jesus first hand before and after his crucifixion, death and resurrection.
Whereas Paul, who was not at the last supper, received special revelation from Jesus on the road to Damascus, (to persecute Christians) and was, after that something that resembled fish scales had been removed from his eyes and his baptism (burial, not sprinkling) of water (2 molecules of hydrogen and 1 of oxygen) and the (definite article) holy (set apart, consecrated, etc. etc.) Spirit (Pneumos) of God (YHWH, I AM, Alpha and Omega), sent out by Jesus (The Supernal One, Author and Finisher of our Faith) to the gentiles, hence: The apostle to the Gentiles, able to rebuke Peter, and the council of Jews, not to mention the unbelievers, yet still able to call upon the writings of pagans especially referring to the Cretins (a term still usable and accurate today 2k yrs notwithstanding.) where was I? oh yes this is the definition of Apostle that I use. Judas was replaced, idk if, before he hanged himself before Jesus was crucified, or after, but likely he never saw Jesus resurrected, ergo one was chosen to take the place of him who was given over to Satan, (as an aside, imo those who countenance sodomites as worthy of love need to look more closely at the son of perdition for an understanding of how I feel towards these abominations). Barnabas and Timothy were also defined as apostles, but, again imo, not of the same caliber as the original 11, to say nothing of Paul.

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 9:06 pm

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the immediate previous was typed using valid refs. but, not c&P. I have studied to show myself approved unto God, I know exegesis and hermeneutics. I do NOT profess medical knowledge beyond first aid as taught by the U.S. Army. I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on T.V. and I would a liar were I to claim to any type of medical training beyond this, unlike Rose, my Sis in Jesus, who obviously has been trained in medical arts. In the same manner, and without rancor towards her, or any member of the RC faith who believes more in Jesus than in the pope as His “viceroy” i consider the RC teachers remiss/misguided/absolutely wrong in the greater part of their teachings, let alone in personal relations with Jesus, just as I do the greater part of protestant teachers who teach for the commandments of God, the teachings of men.
Especially Alexander Campbell, whom I believe was mostly right in his approach to true Christianity, but was damnably wrong, or his disciples anyway, in barring the doors of Heaven over the issue of instrumental music in modern worship.

sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm

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Uhhh I am not Roman Catholic either. Quit pigeon holing anyone who does not agree with your fairly negative take on Christian responsibility and belief.

“As you do to one of these, so you do to me.” (paraphrasing)

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 9:44 pm

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um, Rose, 1. I never ever specified you were RC. had you read more carefully you’d know this.
2nd. regardless of who taught you, they still didn’t teach you (or possibly you didn’t pay close enow attn. to them) valid exegesis, NOR proper hermeneutics.
:)

if i had a flanel board mayhap i could make it clearer to you.
or maybe if i knew how to operate a micro-organismistic electron-microscope i could somehow, if i could keep your attention on the whereofs and wheretofores of what the Bible actually says, stead of silly traditions of the pharisees.
no offense intended to you, but definitely a LOT towards those who didn’t teach you how to see. they are the guilty ones who deserve, i can say this merely by dissecting your statements, a millstone. seriously. and if you know anything about me, you know i very rarely if ever, have spelled out seriously.

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 9:56 pm

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as an aside esse-ita, was gene luck piecard one of your teachers by chance?

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 10:06 pm

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frankly speaking, i imagine your teachers are from woolerton (ptoooie).

:roll:

drb November 18, 2012 at 2:47 am

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Robert, I luvs ya, I truly do, but enough already. Your belief is your belief. your faith is your faith. (as mine is mine) Stop trying to force it on every one else. IMHO, It is incredibly arrogant to presume that only you know what the truth is in all things biblical and IMHO, it is beyond arrogant to presume to know how God feels about any individuals and who he will or will not welcome through the gates of heaven. I have a felling you will be the one surprised. But I will leave that up to God, cuz what do I know?

RobertW November 18, 2012 at 3:15 am

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drb
me force?
c’mon
really? i’ve forced nothing.

I have merely quoted the Righteous One.

if you consider that force, well that’s on you.

I gladly accept any and every charge that I’ve forcefully quoted God’s own word.

as for woolerton (ptooie) that has more to do with corner gas than anything else.

I truly don’t understand where you get the idea that I’ve forced anyone to anything. I reiterate that I’ve not often typed “seriously” ‘pon ihtm’s pages, but i’ll do so again: me? forced? seriously?

where?

God’s Truth woman, i’m not of the sort which creep into houses – Who go slyly and insidiously into families. They are not open and manly in endeavoring to propagate their views, but they endeavor by their address to ingratiate themselves first with weak women, and through them to influence men; compare Titus 1:11. The word translated “creep into,” is rendered by Doddridge, “insinuate themselves;” by Bloomfield, “wind their way into,” in the manner of serpents; by Bretschneider, “deceitfully enter;” by Robinson and Passow,” go in, enter in.” It is not certain that the idea of deceit or cunning is contained in this “word,” yet the whole complexion of the passage implies that they made their way by art and deceitful tricks.

And lead captive silly women – One of the tricks always played by the advocates of error, and one of the ways by which they seek to promote their purposes. Satan began his work of temptation with Eve rather than with Adam, and the advocates of error usually follow his example. There are always weak-minded women enough in any community to give an opportunity of practicing these arts, and often the aims of the impostor and deceiver can be best secured by appealing to them. Such women are easily flattered; they are charmed by the graceful manners of religious instructors; they lend a willing ear to anything that has the appearance of religion, and their hearts are open to anything that promises to advance the welfare of the world. At the same time, they are just such persons as the propagators of error can rely upon. They have leisure; they have wealth; they are busy; they move about in society, and by their activity they obtain an influence to which they are by no means entitled by their piety or talents. There are, indeed, very many women in the world who cannot be so easily led away as men; but it cannot be denied also that there are those who are just adapted to the purposes of such as seek to spread plausible error. The word rendered “silly women,” means properly “little women,” and then “weak women.”

the greater part of this missive is indeed C&P’d cuz the commentator is much more eloquent than I.

drb November 18, 2012 at 3:47 am

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Look, all I’m sayin’ is stop beating people over the head with your version of the bible and your interpretaions of it as if you are the all knowning. You are more than a little overbearing with it. Keep it up and people are going to run in the other direction just to get away from you…When is the last time you had any GOOD sleep?

sa_rose November 18, 2012 at 11:06 pm

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Rose, my Sis in Jesus, who obviously has been trained in medical arts. In the same manner, and without rancor towards her, or any member of the RC faith who believes more in Jesus than in the pope as His “viceroy” i consider the RC teachers remiss/misguided/absolutely wrong in the greater part

So it DOES sound as though you are lumping me in with Roman Catholics. Of course, you appear to lump anyone into a me vs them category. We need to agree to disagree. I was brought up with the same narrow views that you have espoused and it is why I am no longer a member of that denomination. If I am wrong, so be it. I stand up for what I believe and don’t believe God will send me to hell for any of it, because he knows what is in my heart. And that is ALL I care about.

perlcat November 16, 2012 at 2:36 pm

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Language, sir. Language. You don’t have to like people or what they do to treat them with the respect that our Lord would have us do.

RobertW November 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm

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Dear Perlcat: I’d say the same about pedophiles, bestialists and, were he still around, hitler, not to mention proponents of abortions.

Honor to whom honor is due, by all means, as Jesus hath said. These types have no honor, ergo, no honor is due them.
and that is my very well considered opinion and belief.

perlcat November 16, 2012 at 10:37 pm

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Well, to me it’s about tolerance, acceptance, and embracing. Tolerance is where something is NOT OK by you, but you put up with it because you have to. Acceptance is where it may or may not be OK by you, and you may or may not *like* it, but you put up with it because you want to. Embracing is where it is OK by you, and you *like* it.

I’m not asking you to embrace anything about homosexual behavior. I’m not even asking you to accept it. I’m just saying that we need to tolerate it, as long as it is between two adults and is *legal* — note that *moral* or anything such is not a factor. The things that gay people do hold no appeal to me — but I am not going to use terms that I know either irritate or piss them off, because as long as I tolerate them, they have to tolerate me — and I prefer to be civil about it.

I’m not going to conflate pedophilia, pederasty, bestiality, or any other disgusting and illegal behavior with homosexuality — I draw a sharp line between what has to be tolerated because it is the law, and what should never be embraced, accepted, or tolerated. Those behaviors are crimes, and the people that commit them deserve to be punished.

Here’s why. The way you brand a calf is to separate it from the herd. That’s how wolves get their meal, too. When we allow the Left to control the discussion about subjects like this, they separate us from each other, driving otherwise helpful groups away. That’s how the Left operates, because they get their marching orders directly from the Father of Lies himself. You cannot imagine how useful it is to the Left to find people using slurs in our conversations. We may make a million sensible points, but they will point out this one instance, and use that to drive their wedges and create their dissension.

Which do you want? To use a handy slur, that allows them to carry out their mission to destroy our morality and our religion, or to force them to take ownership of their idiocy, which will in time destroy the Left?

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 12:07 am

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alright, let’s, for the moment take *morals* out of it and go on law alone.

sodomy used to be illegal and now it’s not.
abortion used to be illegal and now it’s not.
how long before bestiality is legal?
how long til pedophilia is legal?
homosexuality was once considered a mental illness, now it’s not.
pedophilia is considered a mental illness, and now it’s not.

Further, for my part, I deny these people’s ability to reason at all, ergo, any and every legal argument they make for acceptance/rights is spurious. Especially when these disgusting practices are inculcated into school curriculum/curricula at any level of education.

sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 9:05 am

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Uhhh when did pedophilia lose its status as a mental illness?

flashingscotsman November 17, 2012 at 9:21 am

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Rose, there is a push within the APA to remove pedophilia from the list of mental illness. I’m pretty sure it’s not the view of the majority of psychologists at this point. I certainly hope not.

Robert, the things you mentioned have innocent victims involved. Homosexual relations between two consenting adults do not. I wish you could get to know some of my homosexual friends. If you could put aside your long held belief that they are evil because of who they sleep with, you would see that they are wonderful people.

And keep in mind that this is coming from someone who used to feel the same way you do about them, only for different reasons.

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 1:14 pm

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point of order: They’re evil, according to the Bible, because they have turned away from the Truth.
They prey on the innocent via passing their actions off as merely an alternative way of life, to be taught in the schools, and if that’s not preying on the innocents then nothing is.

Recognizing that not all believe the Bible for what it is.

In nature, and i’m working from memory here, dolphins engage in homosexual-like activity, when they’re attempting to dominate one another, this generally occurs, if memory serves, only amongst the juveniles.
Rats have been observed to engage in homosexual activity, but only in scientifically forced overcrowded conditions where the food is in short supply, the actors having literally gone insane.
It is unproductive, un-reproductive, and, unless i’m quite mistaken, has only been otherwise observed in juvenile animals, prior to sexual maturity.
hence, natural law apparently considers this type of behavior aberrant. it is only in man, where choice exists, that it is a way of being.
For my part I categorically deny that it is any type of love, but rather an example of selfish, self-seeking, self-centered lust.
mind you, amongst humans, i consider those who are controlled by their sexual lusts, bed-hoppers, orgiasts, fornicators, adulterous etc. to be as wicked and shameful.
that’s my world-view.

flashingscotsman November 18, 2012 at 11:31 am

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And yet, you didn’t address what I said. If a homosexual does his or her job, lives their life quietly, going about their business without pushing it on others, where is the victim?

In child molestation and the other crimes you mentioned, there is a clear victim. ALL child molesters do harm to their victims. Not all homosexuals harm anyone at all.

Like I said, I wish you could know some of the people I know.

RobertW November 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm

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imo, they cannot be trusted, simply because they have turned from truth. society is harmed, victimized as it were, in the same way it is harmed by more blatant exemplars of lies.

JPTravis November 19, 2012 at 2:43 pm

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Well, here’s a little tidbit to add fuel to the fire: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235245/Sex-therapists-legalisation-virtual-child-porn-relieve-paedophiles-urges.html

Psychologists want to legalize child porn in the UK.

sa_rose November 19, 2012 at 10:15 pm

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I didn’t know whether to tu for finding this disturbing tidbit or td for the ridiculous idea! HELP!

perlcat November 19, 2012 at 10:40 pm

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I have a good idea for their ‘therapy’ — electric shocks — say about 600 volts across the chest for fifteen minutes for each picture they look at.

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 12:54 pm

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right, i was wrong to assert that Rose. my mistake.

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 8:56 pm

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Tolerance is where something is NOT OK by you, but you put up with it because you have to.

I ain’t gotta do nothin but stay white and die, and i ain’t so sure I’ll die, since Jesus may come before that and I’ll be taken up to meet him in the air, or 1st heaven. :D

Fenster314 November 14, 2012 at 11:07 pm

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You can’t say Obama doesn’t pay off his political debts. That’s what got him re-elected. Every special interest group that helped him get elected to his first term got their 20 pieces of silver. Just one reason I will never ever buy a Government Motors car.

RobertW November 15, 2012 at 2:43 pm

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30 pieces of silver

the price of a slave.

perlcat November 16, 2012 at 10:39 pm

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30 pieces of silver.

The wages of betrayal.

JPTravis November 15, 2012 at 7:11 am

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You mean if he’s a brown noser?

KimmyQueen November 15, 2012 at 2:53 pm

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You said brown… Racist!!!! You also said noser… Nosecist!!!!

KimmyQueen November 14, 2012 at 8:34 pm

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Sotomayor is not gay so I am not sure why she is even mentioned. As for Kagan I get a strong lesbian vibe from her but who knows. Now this guy is openly gay so that is true news. Is he an Obama ex? I mean you know i tis just “interesting”

JPTravis November 15, 2012 at 7:16 am

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She was married out of college for a few years, never had any children, always had a chip on her shoulder (made a big law firm apologize publicly for saying she was an affirmative action student during a recruitment dinner), never remarried… I suspect she’s lesbian. Can’t prove it.

KimmyQueen November 15, 2012 at 2:54 pm

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Uhm… interesting.

flashingscotsman November 15, 2012 at 6:36 pm

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Doesn’t matter. She’s a bad judge.

sa_rose November 15, 2012 at 11:11 pm

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and therein lies the rub. I don’t care if they are straight, gay, black, brown, white yellow pink with purple polka dots. I just want well prepared, honest, knowledgable judges.

flashingscotsman November 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm

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Precisely.

danybhoy November 14, 2012 at 8:37 pm

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Gay black guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGJ9Wq61-7M

…is he gay enough?

sa_rose November 15, 2012 at 11:13 pm

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Andthos guy is nopwreporting the news in Bumfuck, Nowhere land. Back to you Danybhoy!

danybhoy November 16, 2012 at 3:50 am

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Ok, heres more, a soccer riot in Egypt that left over 70 dead…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0XEK5oyio

sa_rose November 16, 2012 at 7:20 am

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Maybe they should hire them some Aggies from Texas. No one (and I do mean NO ONE is allowed on the field in Kyle Stadium. The Corps surrounds the field with swords drawn just in case you want to see if they are serious.

RobertW November 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm

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most likely because of the cadet that rushed the field with drawn-sword some years back, not because of anything the general spectators had done.
remember?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0vsZHlEzx8

danybhoy November 16, 2012 at 3:51 pm

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I do remember seeing this on NFL Films years ago…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdP2G7UtS9I

…but that ain’t as good as this one…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eElspvew7rw

…both would have gotten paid in lawsuits today. Both got what they had coming.

flashingscotsman November 16, 2012 at 6:51 pm

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70 fewer hooligans. I’m crying.

No I’m not.

RobertW November 16, 2012 at 7:05 pm
danybhoy November 17, 2012 at 5:38 am

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Ok, how about a player dropkicking a fan after being verbally abused?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZuXuH-NwA

…if all Frenchman were this feisty, they would be just fine.

GhostntheMachine November 17, 2012 at 6:31 am

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I remember this, take a few minutes (vid is 4 min. long) and listen to Monday’s commentary looking back on after the benefit of time. Greatest Play In Baseball indeed…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrV8QPQAhxo

GhostntheMachine November 17, 2012 at 6:46 am

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Just an aside after watching that again, I remember seeing\reading\hearing somewhere the guy he gave the flag to and his wife had it washed, folded and framed and gave it back to him and he still had it. Said he wasn’t sure if it was true, but swore he could still smell lighter fluid every time he looked at it.

May God continue to Bless America. Even the assholes who don’t deserve it.

sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 9:24 am

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I find it interesting that they had such difficulty identifying the offender. He was Muslim, no he was American Indian, he was an anti war demonstrator (what war? This was 1976 Vietnam was over and Iran hadn’t started) he was a mental patient, no his WIFE was a mental patient, no she wasbeing held against her will in a mental institution. No records of any kind on this guy, but he owns a van and is living in it. Sounds like an annonymous plant to me, Thank God their mission to desecrate the Flag, the symbol of our country was foiled. We need about a billion more Rick Mondays out there!

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 12:17 pm

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I recall this on the news.
Watching the vid, when the fans rose and then started singin GBA i got a huge tingle through-out my body.

flashingscotsman November 18, 2012 at 11:38 am

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I’m not a baseball fan in any way, but I must salute Rick Monday for his actions in this case. And the fans who took up the cause.

sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 9:11 am

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Did you read the caption? The Aggie Corpsman took to the filed wit saber drawn because the SMU cheerleaders Rushed the field. As I said, no one, and I do mean no one is allowed on Kyle field except the players and coaches, and the halftime show participants (for a limited amount of time.) It is protective of both teams as they leave the field for the lockers, as well as protecting the field itself from damage during a student/fan misstep. Besides, SMU knew [erfectly well they were not to run onto the field. I only wish the other Corps members had done a better job of protecting their man.

PsychoDad November 14, 2012 at 8:53 pm

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Hey, Archie Bunker once told us there was no thing! Remember? He told Mike, “You go up to any colored on the street, and ask him, Are you a fag?”

CO2Insanity November 14, 2012 at 9:10 pm
sa_rose November 15, 2012 at 11:15 pm

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So Obama is a young, urban African American man. Does that mean. . . ? OMG!

RobertW November 16, 2012 at 2:05 pm

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So Obama is a notso-young, urban Kenyan African American man. Does that mean. . . ?

um. yeppers.

RobertW November 14, 2012 at 10:38 pm

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Had to email Brown and Portman. The text of which follows:

As a loyal American and former 82nd Abn. Div. Field Artilleryman, and current registered voter I demand you not only vote barry obama’s nominee for U.S. Supreme Court Justice william thomas on the grounds that he has no credibility since he has turned away from the truth. The evidence that he has turned away from the truth is obvious in that he is a homosexual. Homosexuals are not ever to be trusted in anyway, let alone in the administration of justice. That this abomination is already presiding over a court speaks not at all to his fairness, but to the ignorance and/or stupidity and/or anti-Christian agenda of of those who who put him there.
I am disgusted that this Nation has allowed and encouraged the acceptance of this and other sexual deviants as a matter of course.

It is written: Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully.

“If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.” (Leviticus 20:13).

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you.” (Leviticus 18:22-24).

“For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.” (Romans 1:26-27).

“as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 7)
How so?
“Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” (Genesis 19:4-5)

One thing you must understand Mr. (*), is if you validate a wicked person’s nominee, if you validate a wicked nominee, they you will be responsible to a great degree for the same wickedness.

Set aside for the moment the temporal consequence of your decision and look instead to the eternal consequence of the decision you make in this specific instance.”
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* I emailed them separately and inserted each of their names, capitalized.

I respectfully charge you all to contact your respective Senators and stop this Godless pandering to the wicked.

(edit): As Flashing wrote on another thread, “There must be a line drawn somewhere.”

ooddballz November 15, 2012 at 9:59 am

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Robert, you were with the “jumping junkies”?
Cool, I was airborne also. 1/75th. Ripped some ligaments in my ankle and got sent to a leg unit. Never got the tab, but always enjoyed the jumps. (Well, lets just say the pucker factor was high every time I jumped, but I loved it anyway)
Did ya train with the old T-10 dial-a-death, or did you train later than that? Or do they still use them for training?

Anyway, AIRBORNE!
http://www.west-point.org/greimanj/west_point/songs/bloodontherisers.htm

RobertW November 15, 2012 at 1:23 pm

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All the way.
I trained with the T-10 and the TU, (i think that was the name of the toggled one.)
(Well, lets just say the pucker factor was high every time I jumped, but I loved it anyway) right on right on!
and my only night jumps were actually in the dark. aww night jumps with a full moon. :D

RobertW November 15, 2012 at 1:30 pm

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i had to deploy my reserve once, and you can bet that my happy little ass was beatin’ feet to my main to find the evidence to show to the Black Hat, who was already on the way in a jeep to bawl me out for deploying the reserve. Once I found it, and he confirmed I did the right thing, he still bawled me out, but because my haircut was a barracks job and in his words “looked like a shaved wolf’s pussy.”
Needless to say I headed to the barber shop immediately after evening formation.

RobertW November 15, 2012 at 1:39 pm

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oh crap, i just noticed i crucial word missing. I gotta email this again.
i like this wireless keyboard, but sometimes it skips letters and even whole words. grrrr.

GhostntheMachine November 15, 2012 at 9:37 pm

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The keyboard? Keyboard? You’re blaming the ivories?

RobertW November 15, 2012 at 10:50 pm

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well if barry can do it…

GhostntheMachine November 15, 2012 at 11:41 pm

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nice

GhostntheMachine November 15, 2012 at 3:45 am

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Wonder what Msnbc’s line-up would say if they got Bork’d. Turnabout is fair play, right? Right? Silly me.

Navyvet2 November 15, 2012 at 8:43 am

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Raaaaccccissssst! Homophobe, homophobe, homophobe.

BobontheJob November 15, 2012 at 4:17 am

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I hope he doesn’t want to try me…

pink Floyd November 15, 2012 at 5:32 am

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What would REALLY be news is if the SCOAMF nominated someone who was qualified and competent.

RobertW, here’s 100 T.U.’s

RobertW November 15, 2012 at 1:18 pm

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Thanks Floyd.
I sincerely appreciate that. And you.

flashingscotsman November 15, 2012 at 9:39 am

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I don’t really care that he’s black. I don’t really care that he’s gay. What I care about is that he won’t be a good, fair judge. That can be proven by the fact that Obama nominated him.

JPTravis November 15, 2012 at 9:53 am

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I see where you’re coming from: sexual preference doesn’t necessarily affect your judgement or ability to apply the law. But I think we all know by now that “openly gay” carries with it a lot of baggage that has nothing to do with sexual preference. “Openly gay” might mean exactly that, or it might mean that he’s bought into the gay political agenda which means anything goes as far as winning certain battles. If that’s the case, then nobody with a conservative background will ever get a fair hearing in this guy’s courtroom.

RobertW November 15, 2012 at 3:08 pm

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In answer to those who won’t believe the Truth of the Bible:

http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html
esp. Ideology of Sexual Liberation

There was a bumper sticker years ago that said
God said it, I believe it, that settles it. This banner always disturbed me because it indicated that a person’s belief validated the Bible. This just is not so. More accurate is
God said it, that settles it, I believe it.

Trickie November 15, 2012 at 12:43 pm

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I bet he’s all for pee-bargains.

Not so silent November 15, 2012 at 2:50 pm

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Wouldn’t matter if he was green, had four arms and was from Mars (Yea Obama would appoint an illegal alien) He is just there to do the masters bidding….This way Obama pays off two debts at once, black and gay….

RobertW November 15, 2012 at 4:52 pm

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if he was from mars barry’d still be getting the anal-prober vote as well as the illegal alien vote.

MDLION November 15, 2012 at 4:59 pm

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The judge in California who overturned the gay marriage vote is gay. He’s retired now. He obviously should have recused himself but didn’t.

Not so silent November 15, 2012 at 10:41 pm

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You mean he should have butted out? Sorry couldn’t help myself…

GhostntheMachine November 15, 2012 at 10:46 pm

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Great zinger, almost snorked my tea.

sa_rose November 15, 2012 at 11:18 pm

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(_)] here’s a clean cip for ypu!

RobertW November 16, 2012 at 2:05 pm

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VERY cool cip drawing.

drb November 16, 2012 at 2:08 pm

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*snort*

GhostntheMachine November 16, 2012 at 2:11 pm

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That wasn’t very lady-like, or I could be wrong, or then again…

drb November 16, 2012 at 2:14 pm

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I’ve been known to do that from time to time…start laughin’ forget to breathe, it happens.

GhostntheMachine November 16, 2012 at 2:22 pm

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Wanna hear an angle? skip to 2:10, close your eyes and listen…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4EE4bIFixQ

drb November 16, 2012 at 2:32 pm

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Angle or angel?

GhostntheMachine November 16, 2012 at 2:35 pm

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grrrr, you know what I meant

drb November 16, 2012 at 2:36 pm

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well it *did* take me a second to figure it out.

GhostntheMachine November 16, 2012 at 2:33 pm

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Two, skip to 30, What a wonderful woooorrrr….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI6hzBwIGmo

drb November 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm

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One of my favorite songs

drb November 16, 2012 at 3:01 pm

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Ghosty…did you get lost over in the youtubes??

GhostntheMachine November 16, 2012 at 3:27 pm

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I love to watch ordinary people do amazing things. Still lookin for the Gypsy grll. BRB

GhostntheMachine November 16, 2012 at 4:02 pm

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Check it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vleRR5Dv9D4

GhostntheMachine November 16, 2012 at 4:12 pm

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And yes, I’m tubin’, one of my all time top 5 favs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyEL3NJSHIk

drb November 16, 2012 at 4:12 pm

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ya know…sometimes ya just shouldn’t mess with the original, IMHO

drb November 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm

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(trumpet) that was beautiful

GhostntheMachine November 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm

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Wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=qT3ZFyfLZWw&feature=endscreen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCC_b5WHLX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUiTQvT0W_0

sposed to close your eyes and listen, coffee & snacks in the am.

yeah, that trumpet always hits me in the gut

[edit] hey chill out, my fav is Joan Jett & the Cherry Bombs, coulda sent that one

drb November 16, 2012 at 5:28 pm

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Good sleepies Ghosty…lookin’ forward to the coffee in the mornin’

RobertW November 16, 2012 at 6:43 pm

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that girl and the waitress in milkshake both need nether-hair-nets, imo.

RobertW November 16, 2012 at 6:46 pm

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Prince wrote nothing compares 2 u.

GhostntheMachine November 16, 2012 at 6:51 pm
sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 9:40 am

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I love that song and was ready to be annoyed if she screwed it up, but she did a fine job! When I compare American x-factor, America’s got Talent, etc to theirBritis counterparts, they seem to have many more people who actually SING, and who do more than yell. A vocalist who can contriol the power of their voice, managed phrasing so theat they are not breathing in awkward places, etc are soooo much more exciting that someone who sings at full power and has to stop every few seconds to breathe. And the have a variety of voice types. It seems in America they look for one type, pitch and timbre of voice, and no one else can even be considered.

sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 9:50 am

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Ghost: The young trumpeter has good tone in the lower registers, but for her to play long periods ( as a career) or in the more common registers for her instrument, she needs to fix her emboucher. If she can do that, she will be able to have a great career!

sa_rose November 17, 2012 at 9:26 am

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Thank you! Unfortunately it should have been a cup. Never have been artistically talented! HAHA

KimmyQueen November 17, 2012 at 4:35 pm

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RobertW: The issue of homosexuality/lesbianism and the like is something that is very personal because obviously sexuality is very personal. I do not believe in the 10% of the population thing. I think that true homosexuals/and so on are probably 1-5% of the population. I think that the reason it is so VISIBLE is because of people like Madonna and others who aren’t really “gay” they were/are experimenting with their sexuality and put it up there in the pop culture for all to see. A great deal of men and women that were “experimenting” ended up just doing the normal life thing (wife/husband/live in someone and kids) as they grew older so that is why I am saying that. In the last “days” (so to speak) of Rome once the government leaders and the culture essentially and in all truthfulness would force everyday people (either through slavery, blackmail, peer pressure, etc) into partaking into what can be considered abnormal sexual behavior it lead (among other things of course) to its decay and end. I see that happening with this country and most Western cultures. It is what it is. Life is life. As Christians we have to essentially be prepared for whatever happens, stand for what we know is right and be ready to defend what we believe in and VERY IMPORTANTLY not participate ourselves in those actions and behaviors.

Now with all of that said, I just want to say to you that I can understand where you are coming from, however I think that the exposition may need some tweaking. As someone (Rose?) stated it is important to know that certain things are indeed sinful, however the people engaging in the sinful behavior are in bondage to the sin and they are to be prayed for and to be cared for ESPECIALLY when there is an opening for them to escape the bondage through the Blood of Christ. If we are unable to make the distinction between “hating the sin, but loving the sinner” we risk alienating people that are in bondage and perhaps making it difficult for them to leave the sin so they won’t sin anymore.

Now I want to stop here and talk about something: It is very true that many people who are in sin and live in sin KNOW IT FULLY WELL and they just don’t care. They love it and they don’t want to change it and they want more of it. This is where discernment by the Holy Spirit of YWH comes into play. This is what Jesus Christ, meant by swine and pearls. If you do get to speak to a person who knows that what they are doing is wrong, they don’t want to change, they revile your teaching (which should be loving, patience and appropriate to the situation) or initial reaching out, then do not throw the pearls of wisdom that Christ/The Spirit gives you on that person anymore for they will indeed turn around and hurt you. At some point you got to say hey it is your lost and move on, but in the end that person should just not be hated and reviled, just well sadly to say abandoned to his or her fate. I guess I am saying not to spend time with people that DO NOT CARE that they are sinning and know it fully well. I think… MY OPINION is that your exposition is to those that are fully aware of their sin and do not care and wish other to engage in order to “kill” the Lord’s ways (stupid and unsuccesful move of course). However, I don’t think Robert that this is something that can be said of all gays. Also not all gays (even if they are satisfied and complacent with their lives as is) would show discrimination or anger or meanness towards those that are Christian. So it is important to make the distinction between the militant and angry gays that want everyone to be exposed to their private lives and the gays that want to live their private lives privately. I still think that considering the small percentage of overall gays (and so on) in the Planet really those that are militant are the minor of population still. What we need to do is make sure that they do not gain power and that those that promote them are out of power and don’t come into power either.

Now there are a lot of people out there that may not know, they may be preoccupied with the possibility that what they are doing is wrong or sinful or there maybe people that AT ONE POINT didn’t care but now they do. I believe that the language being used here can and will alienate them from looking for changes in their lives whenever the Spirit of the Lord is moving them to reason and knowledge that their actions are not pleasing to the Lord. Robert I can tell you without a doubt that I was not perfect before I truly came to know the Lord Jesus Christ. In fact I was and am a sinner. We (Christians) do not come to Christ because we are all good and life is good and we are perfect and sinless. If that is the truth then why would we need Christ for? Why would we ask Him to be our Lord? and why would we accept His sacrifice? Right? Those who come to Christ are broken, weak, sinful, disgusting, nasty, mindless creatures with no Master, naked, etc. He (Christ) has the power to turn us from mindless sinful creatures of stupidity and nastiness into saints. No sin is too small nor too great for the Lord to do something about it or to forgive and that friend also includes homosexuality/lesbianism and all the derivatives.

Homosexuals (and so on) have a role to play in the world. King James the Second (?) was gay, I am sure of it, I could be wrong but there is a lot of history behind that assertion, however look THE BIBLE of Bibles so to speak was “created’ and promoted by him. Sure there were political reasons, but who cares G-d used him to create a Bible that the masses could read and thus continue the propagation of the Word of G-d throughout the world and the Book had a 600 (?) year anniversary this year right? So I know that G-d knows what He is doing, what He is allowing and what He is going to do with the gay people of the world. Like Rose (?) said, we have to let G-d do what He does for He after all loves all of His creatures even the most base and disgusting ones and He wants all to be saved even if in all truth not all will be. We don’t know though what He will do and so on so it is our duty as His people to fully and rightfully represent Him as people of His Kingdom in this world. If He gets a gay person to sit next to you in an airplane and you are sitting reading your Bible or you haev a crucifix or you are praying before eating… the gay person next to you may react to you in a very bad way and as a christian you still have to represent the love and patience of Christ. Perhaps not waste the pearls of wisdom upon that person, but definetly still represent the Lord in a godly way. Who knows? Your attitude and behavior may make him reflect later on in his or her life and who knows? you may plant a seed of love and that person may regret what they did and seek the Lord… However if the person reacts to you in a way where they want to know more about the Lord because they are questioning their lifestyle… what are you going to do? react with a bad attitude or represent the Lord Jesus? For all we know this could be another King James (so to speak) who may or may not continue to live his life in that way, but through perhaps other reasons and purposes does something that is worthwile in the eyes of the Lord and you may have planted that seed (with the power of the Spirit and His discernment).

So sorry for the long thing here but I just feel that it is important to use the Words of our Lord as a gift that the Lord gives us so we can give to others, not as a weapon against them. Perhaps not even when they are being nasty to us, unless of course the Spirit truly asks you to let them know that they are erring in the eyes of G-d, I just think we need to be careful. I am not perfect of course there are A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE that I hate/seriously dislike and in all truthfulness if a terrorist or a pedophile is next to me I probably won’t be going all love of Christ on them. However, I guess that depends if they are actively searching to destroy everyone or molest children or they know that what they are doing or did is wrong and are looking for a way out. If they are looking for a way out then perhaps this was G-d putting someone in my path that the Lord knows I have a serious problem with inorder for me to represent Him to this person. If they are not looking for a way out and are actively searching to hurt people they are going to prison or I will probably make sure that they are shot or something I am not wasting the Word of G-d upon them. So again I think we just need to be careful, have discernment and serve G-d by loving His creatures and knowing how to say the things that we should say in a way that serves the Kingdom. We don’t want to go to the Lord and then have to answer for the missed opportunities to represent Him well, because we were consumed by our hatred or our agendas or our biases against people that were outside of the Kingdom of G-d.

That is my two cents. You can take it or leave it. Not interested in a long and out discussion about this because it can become circular as it has already on this thread. Just wanted to put some perspective on this but I can understand if you don’t agree, so if that is the case, I guess we can agree to disagree.

Yes their behavior IS sinful. I wanted to make sure that was clear, just saying that my behavior was sinful as well and just because I am not gay it doesn’t mean that I am better than any other sinner. I NEED THE LORD DESPERATELY and so (in my opinion) everyone else but you cannot convince everyone to know this, but you do have to make sure that they know it without them feeling like they cannot come up to the Lord because their sin is too great.

RobertW November 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm

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I hear your words KimmyQ.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

As to King James VI and I, I doubt very seriously, was homosexual, rather those who hold to this I believe are merely casting aspersions upon him in a vain attempt to discredit the translation that he authorized to be done carried out under his auspices.

You speak of what may be, what could be, and what is possible at some future date, but all we have is today. As the scriptures say, Today is the day of Salvation.

Allow me to reiterate that IF the homosexuals kept themselves hidden, as should anyone re: sexual activity ought, for modesty if for nothing else, then it wouldn’t be an issue. the fact that barry has nominated a homosexual, that homosexual sex-play is being taught in schools, that the teaching of the Bible in schools is verboten, the fact that homosexuals want to serve in the military, and be recognized as practicing, the fact that true marriage is undergoing an onslaught of unrighteousness, and has been, “The Scarlet Letter” seems to have a greater following through the ages in support of adultery than it merits, people marrying animals, (and marriage necessarily demands physical consummation) and now the homosexuals are greatly and continually desirous of mocking this holy institution even to the point where the RC have shut up re: that marriage is a sacrament, and, as was pointed out earlier, allow homosexuals to be communicants, speaks to the overall spiritual malaise that has overcome so much of this once Godly nation.
I will not allow this godlessness to go unaddressed, as it is my duty and honor, knowing the truth, to speak against it.
If I spoke against Hitler, Mussolini, nero, Caligula, cannibals, do you think i’d be dt’d and criticized?

I don’t think so. But maybe i’m wrong.

be that as may be, I agree with you that further exposition of the truth on this matter and on this thread is contraindicated not because of circularity of argument, but for the simple fact that the Church catholic understands that we are in a battle that is still raging, although the Victor is sure, and the victory secure.

one further word
maranatha

KimmyQueen November 18, 2012 at 10:04 am

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Robert NO ONE (I think) is saying that we should ACCEPT homosexuality (and the like). Definetly not as an equal behavior or lifestyle to one’s own. Tolerance DOES NOT MEAN Acceptance. That is a progressive game that we need to make sure not to play. I appreciate people that tolerate me even though they don’t accept my point of view, because they are being the good side of human and intellectually honest. I can tolerate the fact that homosexuals (and the like) are part of this world, without become gay myself or advocating and accepting the gay lifestyle for myself or others. I would speak to the lifestyle in Christ as being infinetly better than the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality (and the like), however I cannot make anyone accept what I am saying just as I will not accept that lifestyle myself no matter how much THEY proselytize their lifestyle to me. In the end, we say what we know to be the truth as per the Holy Spirit ad then leave it in the hands of the Lord. We are to plant seeds or to sow the work of others, we just need to do it with fair representation of Christ our Lord. Christ did not come to destroy the world but to redeem it, He Himself said so. No one here is advocating the homosexual lifestyle (I think), no one here is saying that homosexuals are not sinning (maybe one or two don’t know), we just need to be careful how we approach the subject and favor the way Christ would do it. He approached adulterous, cheats, liars, sinful people sometimes quite directly and sometimes from the side but He always did it with poise and grace and forgiveness. That is what most of us are actually saying. You are using the Word as a weapon only (which is appropriate in certain circumstances as the Spirit of the Lord mandates), however you are refusing to use the Word as a healing power or as a diplomat which is what we are in many ways in this world as people of G-d (while remaining unstained from the world).

Again I understand where you are coming from, I am just afraid you are coming off so negatively that it is my concern that the Lord may place someone in your path to test you and you may fail the test to plant the seed or sow the work of someone else in that person’s life. If the Lord reminds you that you fail to speak to someone the way He would have even though you had the guide of the Spirit and the person left you angry and without hope, He will hold you responsible for that.

It is important to let them know that yes they are sinning and falling short of Christ but so did you Robert and so did everyone else that searches for Christ and establishes a relationship with Him. I don’t read that from your comments and that is what I think most people are acting the way they are towards you. Caligula and Hitler we can only assume died unredeemed. However I beleive that if Caligula and Hitler had reached out to Christ humbly and with sincerity, even after all the evil they did, Jesus the King would have forgiven them.

I'm With STUPID November 18, 2012 at 4:20 am

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Obama nominates his f*ck buddy.

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