2010 census reveals truths liberals don’t want to hear

by editor on April 11, 2011

Why are some states growing and other states lagging? Don’t ask the liberals, because they’re busy covering their ears and saying, “La-la-la-la-la-la” to avoid hearing the truths revealed in the 2010 census.

Michael Barone explains the economic facts of life at Investors.com:

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Cover your ears, liberals. You're not going to like what the 2010 census has to say.

The eight states with no state income tax grew 18% in the last decade. The other states (including the District of Columbia) grew just 8%.

The 22 states with right-to-work laws grew 15% in the last decade. The other states grew just 6%.

The 16 states where collective bargaining with public employees is not required grew 15% in the last decade. The other states grew 7%.

If we’re not mistaken, this is what’s called a trend.

Meanwhile, Democrat strongholds like California, New York and Illinois are engaged in a race to see which state can be first to declare itself insolvent.

And we believe this is what’s called another trend.

Source: Investors.com

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April K
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April K

Ah, yes, growth. What does that mean, exactly? Did the population increase? Did tax revenue? Did jobs and businesses? This article doesn’t address that. Curious.

Also, the term “growth” can be misleading. For instance, productivity for the average worker has increased 20% since the mid-1980s. Yet 80% of the wealth created in the U.S. during the same period went to the top 2% of the wealthiest citizens. The U.S. economy grows by an average of 3% a year, yet the median income (adjusted for inflation) is less now than it was in the mid 90s, and consumer purchasing power less than it was in the 70s. And do I even need to mention the bubble-type growth that occurs on credit and led to the massive financial disaster of 2008? I doubt anyone would claim that was good.

Someone on this board said people should move to TN because TN has no income tax or collective bargaining. Know what else they don’t have? Adequate jobs for college-educated people, decent wages, or an acceptable selection of good schools. In most TN counties, the median income is less than $40,000. TN also has one of the highest sales taxes in the U.S. at 9.4%. It ranks 36th in education overall, and its largest city (Memphis) continually ranks in the top 5 as the worst in both obesity and crime. Sure, you can buy a McMansion there for less than $200,000, but would you really want to live there? I did for 13 years, and I couldn’t wait to leave. Now I live in a state that has an income tax, and the quality of jobs, infrastructure, and education is much higher by comparison. Guess what? Taxes occasionally pay for stuff you might actually want.

Anyone who wants to talk about growth and taxes should look a little more closely at the numbers first. As someone wisely once said, “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

Jacob Morgan
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Jacob Morgan

I work in Tennessee as an engineer and make a six figure salary. Have been here for ten years now. I’ll take the no income tax, thank you.

Memphis is the liberal swamp in the state, I wish the state would give it to Arkansas, but no luck so far. It gets much more conservative (and crime free and better schools) as one moves East.

harpcat
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harpcat

The fact of the matter is that this information is quite faulty. Population growth has been movng south and west for years. Claifornias population growth was far less thatn past years, but still far above the national average. No the kicker is this. This does not account for ho the groth comes. immigration? Birth rates? This OPINION piece is exactly that. Far more data needs tobe collected to say that the conclusions this draws are accurate (Though they may be… I am not making this statement to prove them wrong, I am saying that this is not inclusive of enough data to say there there is a trend for the reasons they suggest. They leave out far too much. Every bit as lame as the far left, the far right meets the challenge with assertive minimal information.

Mike Kirby
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Mike Kirby

Right. Because there’s three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. Oh, sorry, that’s the standard for other media sources only. For conservative sources, the saying is, there’s three kinds of proof: proof, great proof, and the absolute proof, which is statistics.

So, well done! This article really proved something!

theghostofcheney
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theghostofcheney

The states’ population grew, geniuses. The reason why the population grew is because business owners moved into those states and job opportunity arose.
Newsflash: People don’t like paying taxes!
Second Newsflash: Business owners don’t like that they can’t fire their employees for no good reason!
Third Newsflash: Populations grew in the southwest because of…immigration!

Does this article mention the education standards? Does this article mention the poverty rates? Does this bit of biased research (it’s from investors.com; let’s get a clue) include the growth of real wages?

Right to work states almost always have higher poverty, lower wages, and worse education standards.

So let’s celebrate! More people are making less money!

andre
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andre

Interesting.

You are right, at least as far as the pull quote goes. I have not read the original article, so I don’t know – maybe that “bit of biased reasearch” does not mention any of those things you enumerate.

But what I find interesting, is that the above bit of biased commentary does not mention it either. You insinuate that because the article does not mention education, poverty, etc, that they are necessarily worse. But the absence of specific facts and figures does not go unnoticed.

But even if they were, does correlation necessarily mean causation? I suspect that since you avoided mentioning any real numbers, instead resorting to baseless insinuations, that tracing causation may be well beyond your reach.

So yes, it may be possible that states to which businesses are moving, may be poorer and have lower wages, and that may be the reason they moved there. But if the businesses were not there until recently, how can they have caused the poverty?

If you want to look at this issue over a longer period of time to get somewhat more of a grip on the realities of the situation, look at Detroit and the other larger cities of Michigan. Look at Youngstown, Dayton, Akron. THAT is the ultimate result of unionization. When you squeeze more money out of a business than your labor is worth, the piper WILL be paid, eventually.

In re: immigrants. Yes the southwest has a lot of immigrants. But so does damn near every other state. And even if we look at only the southwest, why are the immigrants there? Because they are looking for work from all the undereducated, underpaid, poor people? Is that who is filling up all the restaurants, paying for landscape services, and buying all the new houses?

And, FYI. As an employer, I can assure you that no one gets fired “for no reason”. That statement alone belies colossal ignorance, making me question if it’s worth my time to write all this. Trust me, just because you don’t know the reason, doesn’t mean there wasn’t one. Just because the fired person told you “there was no reason”, doesn’t mean there wasn’t a good reason.

If my employee is making a profit for the company, I don’t give a rip what the religion, color, political orientation, or any other orientation (not that there’s anything wrong with that), is.

Ultimately, the only reason anyone gets fired is either because they are costing the company money, or there is a reasonable expectation that they soon will (such as chronic lateness, absences, excessive drinking or drug use). Conversely, an employer absolutely should never fail to fire an employee who is a net loss to the company. Any employer who violates that formula, will soon no longer be an employer.

ECM
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ECM

Why would business owners uproot and move to another state? Better business climate because of lower taxes creating job opportunities in the new state. So maybe the original state the business was located in should lower their taxes and help the businesses create jobs in-state by preventing businesses from leaving in the first place. Used to run a business in NJ, moved to NV and never looked back. NJ and their over-taxing, over-regulating state government kills small businesses. I think you need a license to apply for a license in NJ.
I have worked in union and non-union businesses and feel they treated me equally, but I never felt the need for a union. Businesses do not fire people for no good reason. An employee is an investment in time and money for a business. If an employee is getting fired, they usually have themselves to blame, even if they can’t be honest with themselves about it. Time and again I watched unions get lazy, apathetic employees their jobs back when they were undeserving. Watched union employees abuse FMLA and benefits beyond belief.
Populations grew in the southwest because of “illegal” immigration and coincidentally many states in the SW do not have state income tax and are business friendly. This is why CA businesses have relocated to NV en masse. CA taxes them to death and still the state can not balance the books.

NY and CA are the two most lib states in the country and will most likely be the first two begging for money from the fed gov. Lib social policies are a joke and are killing the country.

Dave
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Dave

Come to Tennessee. We dont tolerate unions, collective bargaining, state income tax or Al Gore.

hisham
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hisham

Actually, I hope the progressives will hold their breath(s) not just until they turn blue, but until they die! That, at least, will put them out of our misery! It won’t matter what they do or don’t pay attention to at that point. We could force them to pay a national jizya tax for being liberals and force them into ‘ghettos for liberals only’ like muslim governments do to the Christians and Jews that live in muslim countries. Hey, worse things have happened.

DeanH
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DeanH

Even if they do self asphyxiate they’ll still vote!

hisham
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hisham

You’re right Dean, I totally forgot about that: if you’re a liberal democrat you can still vote after you’re dead! It’s one of the things that helps democrats win elections! Good point!

deepthinker
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deepthinker

There is no trend here, just someone messing with the numbers to make us look bad that’s what is going on. That will be the talking points from the looney left.

The only time the numbers don’t lie is when they are published by barry and company. Then they are the holy word of the left.

Ruben
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Ruben

Blasphemy! How dare you question The Prophet? Allahu Big Government!

The only thing left for that gang at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is to start issuing fatwahs against those of us pointing what you have, deepthinker.

jukin
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jukin

A communist democrat’s will always thin..nay BELIEVE that 1+1=POTATO, no matter what reality is.

perlcat
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No, it is 1+1=POTATO, therefore, taxes are not high enough.

VelvetKevorkian
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VelvetKevorkian

Showing liberals proof of their failed policies and programs never works. They only kick and scream louder until foam and spittle spews from their mouths. They are the equivalent of spoiled children who don’t understand why they can’t eat cookies and candy for every meal.

Navyvet
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Navyvet

Velvet. Wow, you just perfectly described Chrissy Matthews. But it is similar with all libs.

andre
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andre

Absolutey right!

Look at CA (the subject of yet another post illustrating uber-stupidity). They are bankrupt and are pissing away another 100 mil to movie producers.

Why, one may ask? Because CA is full of

1. very rich people who can afford liberalism
2. poor people who vote for liberals to get more free stuff
3. children.

In re: #3 – by that I mean children of all ages, including voting age. No matter how deep a hole that state digs itself into, they will continue to vote for the libbies because conservatives are icky. Conservatives are those meanies who wag their finger and say “you can’t have that until you do your work and produce enough of something and buy it yourself”.

Yes, that state is full of children. When they ask “what do you do?” the answer is not “I’m an accountant”, or “I’m a construction worker”. No, the answer they are looking for is “I go rock climbing”, or “I surf” or “I hang glide”

“What do you do?” means “how do you play?” That is their mindset.

Lark
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Lark

As a Californian for 35 years (moved to WA state last year and yes, the lack of state income tax factored into the decision but it wasn’t the primary reason), I have to disagree somewhat. I grew up in a conservative, hardworking suburb in So Cal and my parents as well as my friend’s parents were all hard-working, middle class Americans just trying to juggle a mortgage, two decent cars, college educations for their kids and a family vacation once a year if funds went that far. I have never asked anyone what they “do” and expected to hear what their hobbies are.

Have a listen to John & Ken on KFI weekday afternoons. They broadcast out of Burbank, CA. I think they start at 2:00 and you can get them on KFI’s internet feed. So many Californians agree with what they say on their show that the CA government is now running scared because the politicians don’t want to do anything to make J&K shine the spotlight on them during their radio show. Governor Moonbeam even stated this week that he blames conservative talk radio for the stalemate in budget talks up in Sacramento and he primarily means John & Ken. Californian is a lot more conservative than you think. We just have more than our fair share of liberals.

whiskeyriver
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whiskeyriver

I can understand your point, we have the same problem in New Mexico. We have just enough gooberment employees, illegal immigrants and welfare patients, voting to keep the liberal elite in office so they can keep the money rolling in. Local and state elections “won” by 8, 10, maybe 100 votes? Any reasonably smart county clerk can “find” or “lose” that many votes to ensure the right candidate wins and it happens in every election in this state.

What is the solution? I am not sure. One one hand, it is a right and priviledge for all Americans to vote. On the other side I wonder if anyone sucking on the public teat should be allowed to vote. Government employees and welfare patients are going to vote for the fool that will keep their pockets lined, never understanding that when the taxpayers run out of money so will they.

Which is the right way to go? Should the only people allowed to vote be those of us that work in the private sector and add to the tax base? Or, should we continue to allow those that do not add to the tax base, government employees and welfare patients, to vote?

I’m begining to lean towards the first way. If you do not contribute for the good of the country you do not get to vote. Unfortunately that includes government employees who, because of a lack of understanding how our economy works, think the “taxes” they pay add to the tax base of their community. Sorry Mr. Mayor, Keynes was proven to be a fool years ago.

perlcat
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I think that only property owners and military veterans should be allowed to vote. If a person has no stake in freedom, they should not have the ability to diminish it in those that do. Property can be land, a bank account, or other assets.

I do think the Wisconsin vote “discovery” was humorous. The number of recent elections within 200 votes is getting ridiculous. I call BS on it, and wonder: “Hmmm. What if the donks stuffed the ballot box as usual to within 200 votes, depending upon being able to ‘find’ enough votes to bring their candidate over the edge, only to find out that the total was sandbagged, leaving them well out of the running.”

Stuffing the ballot box to a slight loss is a lot harder to detect than a fake landslide — and if the SoS in your state is sympathetic, every bit the guarantee that the donk candidate will win with the votes that are ‘found’. It appears that there is a “statistical anomaly” where more donks are unable to follow simple instructions and mark ballots clearly than conservatives. Go figure.

Ken Olson
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Ken Olson

Not all government employees vote liberal. I’ve worked inside a state prison in Michigan for 24 years. You couldn’t ask for a better example of what liberal social policies have done than inside a Michigan prison. There are some state services that need to exist (police, fire, prisons at the bare minimum), but the people that work in them have to realize that the state budget is as limited as their personal budget. I’ve voted for Republican conservatives most of the time. Occasionally for a Libertarian and that rare local Democrat. Made a mistake in ’92, but not since then. I hope to work for Gary Johnson’s Presidential run in ’12. Actually got to talk to him for a few minutes and he makes a lot of sense. I’m in my second term as a township trustee (R) in a rural township and I see first hand how limited a government budget can be. I believe in responsible use of that scarce resource called tax dollars both as a civil servant and as an elected official.

RockingHorseGuy
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John and Ken are fantastic! Not just talking about the loony libs, but inspiring people to go out and do something about it. The real problem in California is Los Angeles and San Francisco. Get rid of them, and the state would vote conservative. Note: Hollywood is part of Greater Metropolitian Los Angeles.

andre
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andre

Any day now, one of these pregressives will stop to take a breath and realize that there is a perfect solution to this problem. All those “other” states must be forced to implement a state income tax, repeal the right-to-work laws, and bring in collective bargaining.

Because it just isn’t fair.

Isn’t that the standard solution from these characters? Spread the misery. It always works – just look at Cuba, North Korea, California, public education, etc. Russia had that same great system, too (until they screwed it up).