The religion of peace? (Peace being defined as inflicting a violent death upon anyone who disagrees with believers of the religion of peace)

by editor on August 19, 2011

Here’s a video clip that shows a band of those “peaceful” Muslims beheading a grandma whose corpse was later dangled from a helicopter.

Unfortunately, if you’re a fan of helicopters, we have bad news: The helicopter is not shown in this clip.

Even more unfortunately, if you’re a fan of grandmothers keeping their necks attached to their shoulders, we have more bad news: That is also not shown in this video.

CAUTION! THIS IS AN EXPLICIT VIDEO SHOWING AN ACTUAL BEHEADING. IT IS NOT FOR CHILDREN OR SQUEAMISH ADULTS.

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MDLION
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Olivia:”I love absurdities”

You would have to to believe in “potential” human life.

I see that you somehow made “Romeo and Juliet” into an attack on abstinence education. What’s the matter, Olivia, not enough fatherless thugs and monsters running around America’s inner cities for you? Maybe you could go to Philadelphia some night and give an anti-abstinence talk after curfew.

I see sa_rose gave you some wise thoughts about some of Shakespeare’s plays. But I know they won’t be able to make it past your ideological filter which spasms at traditional Christian or conservative political thought. That’s why you can’t see such thought in Shakespeare’s plays. That you see in the conservative Christian Shakespeare a relativistic liberal is LAUGHABLE.

“Ignorance is the curse of God,
Knowledge the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.”
-Shakespeare, “Henry VI, Part 2”

“Virtue is bold, and goodness never fearful.”
-Shakespeare, “Measure for Measure”

john
Member

Come on olivia, lets hear your side of that story, an insiders viewpoint in other words, what was it like inside that mosque when they were stomping and killing a cop? Why are there more horses asses than there are horses olivia?

Olivia
Member

Come on olivia, lets hear your side of that story, an insiders viewpoint in other words, what was it like inside that mosque when they were stomping and killing a cop? Why are there more horses asses than there are horses olivia?
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You know, it’s an interesting thing about right wing extremists, whether they come from the U.S., or Britain, or Pakistan, or even Nazi Germany. Such far right movements always seem to attract the ignorant and socially insecure—–those who are a walking, talking bundle of anger, who are anxious to find a scapegoat for their anger, and who crave belonging to a group.

You fit that profile perfectly, John. You’re not a well informed or thoughtful man; you’re obviously very angry (and eager to blame your frustrations on Muslims, whether or not it makes sense to do so), and you don’t mind looking like an ignorant fool to do so, just so long as you’re part of a group.

How many times have I reminded you here that you’ve provided absolutely zero evidence that the entire world community of Muslims support the actions of enraged extremists/ To assume they do makes no more sense than it would to assume that all Americans are as angry, as prejudiced and as illogical as YOU are.

But, as I said, now that it’s no longer socially acceptable to call black Americans “n***ers” in public, and repeat hate speech about them, the far right—-ever the cowards, for all their boisterous swaggering and braggadocio)—-had to try to come up with a new group to hate. Illegal Hispanic immigrants are one handy target for them nowadays (or, of course, anyone who looks or sounds Hispanic, regardless of immigration status), but that’s not enough. Today, they have to have TWO groups to hate—-one that they can b*tch about for taking jobs away, and the other to project their hatred onto.

The ludicrous thing is, they have such a narrow idea of what Muslims look and talk and dress like, that they’re inclined to heap scorn and hatred on, say, a devout Sikh, and totally ignore the Muslim with Caucasian features and street clothes. I enjoy watching them pontificate about “the Muslim culture,” obviously totally ignorant of the fact that Muslims come from many different cultures, and have many different political views.

Sidekick
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“You know, it’s an interesting thing about right wing extremists, whether they come from the U.S., or Britain, or Pakistan, or even Nazi Germany.”

There were no right wing extremists in Nazi Germany….or none that you ever heard of. By the way what is a right wing extremist in your opinion?

Your entire post was disjointed, nonsensical with no basis in fact. What else is new?

Olivia
Member

There were no right wing extremists in Nazi Germany….or none that you ever heard of. By the way what is a right wing extremist in your opinion?
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You’re very poorly informed, then. Reactionary thinking was a strong component of German society well before there WAS a united Germany. That was what eventually allowed communism to take such a big hold in Europe: to many Europeans who objected to extreme right Nazi practices and values, extreme left communism seemed like the only workable alternative at the time. Of course, few of them could have realized, at that time, that Stalinist communism was just the other side of the same coin—-a tool to create yet another form of totalitarian government.

“That viewpoint is held by contemporary sociologists, for whom ‘right-wing movements’ are conceptualized as ‘social movements whose stated goals are to maintain structures of order, status, honor, or traditional social differences or values’ as compared to left-wing movements which seek ‘greater equality or political participation.’ In other words, the sociological perspective sees preservationist politics as a right-wing attempt to defend privilege within the social hierarchy. — T. Alexander Smith, Raymond Tatalovich. Cultures at war: moral conflicts in western democracies.

Sidekick
Member

Actually i am fully informed. I have also moved on. I supplied a link to a Colorado Sate University site that fully explains national socialism. Your source has no context. I have no idea what he is saying relative to our argument. For the authors to assert that left wing politics supports political participation and greater equality is pure bullshit. Please correct me with a socialist state that offers those two benefits.

You did however help my case by suggesting that communism and national socialism/fascism are on two sides of the same coin. That is a left wing coin by the way. What right wing Nazi practices are you referring to? Be careful there because I will call you out.

sa_rose
Member

If anything, Naziism was the reaction to communism, not the other way around. Communism started in the late 1800’s, reaching its zenith in Russia in 1917 or so with the start of the Bolshevic revolution. There had been inrest in the country in 1905, but the revolution didn’t get goin until WWI started having such a devastating effect on Russia. Naziism, on the other had, showed up in the late 20’s following the humiliating defeat of Germany in WWI.

Sidekick
Member

Rose: national socialism are tines on the same socialist fork. The only real practical difference is that in a communist system (like the USSR) the state owns everything. There were no private property rights. Under national socialism, private property rights do exist. In both cases, the state directly commands the economy and collectivizes their populations.

The seeds of the Russian Revolution began long before Bloody Sunday in 1905. In fact, Lenin’s older brother was hanged in 1887 for trying to assassinate Tsar Alexander III. You are right that the revolution did not gain momentum until WWI and Lenin returned from exile and gave his famous Finland Station speech.

You are correct that national socialism rose out of the despair in Germany caused in part by the terms of the Treaty of Versailles and the economic collapse that followed. Its seeds were sewn during Bismarck’s time as he was very supportive of collectivization and state control and ownership of assets. In fact, that attitude was carried into WWI as the Kaiser who was also a collectivist saw the war as a struggle between British liberalism (classic definition) and continental style socialism.

In both cases the states were collectivized and the state assumed absolute control. Both used external and internal enemies as scapegoats and to create a unifying force among the population. The Nazis exploited the writings of many German philosophers who talked of the superman theory and they also exploited the Prussian military tradition of strict obedience and fealty to the state.

The early Soviets exploited 19th century Russian literature, especially the poets and Tolstoy, to romanticize the Russian land and its people.

I’m not sure I would call Nazism a reaction to communism but more of a part of the same continuum. Hayek described communism as the the logical outcome of national socialism failing. In other words the system can not tolerate property rights because the state always wants more power in order to have its demands met.

Olivia
Member

Rose: national socialism are tines on the same socialist fork. The only real practical difference is that in a communist system (like the USSR) the state owns everything
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Nonsense, Kick. Nazism was and is a right wing extremist movement. The intense nationalism, jingoism and xenophobia; distrust of foreign cultures; intolerance of religions other than Christianity; tolerance of racism, emphasis on law and order at the expense of individual liberties; disdain for artists and intellectuals; intolerance of dissenting views; invasion of sovereign nations for insistence on conformity to a prescribed lifestyle and personal allegiance; and tendency to rewrite history and science for political expediency—-those are all far right wing values.

Sorry, but Hitler is yours. You righties have gone to a lot of trouble to emulate fascism, and it shows. What’s more, it’s not only us liberals who see it—-it’s half the world.

There’s a reason that our country’s prestige was in the toilet when Bush was running the show—-and it wasn’t just because he wasn’t a skilled orator.

Sidekick
Member

Olivia, I have made my case. If you are too stupid to understand it that is not my problem but yours. Now if you can deliver a scholarly link (not wiki) to disprove my thesis. Be my guest. Until then no-one gives a damn about your opinions. In fact, I am still reeling from your contention that socialism is only an economic system.

Everything you listed above, I countered a week ago. Try to keep up. For your review:

Sidekick August 25, 2011 at 8:33 am

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Rose, I won’t thumb you down at all. Let me try to very briefly explain why National Socialism is actually a left wing system.

Socialism is partially defined as the the state ownership of what we would call the private sector and the state commands and centralizes all economic activity. In a purely socialist system, there are no property rights everyone works for the collective and the government determines what everyone needs and how everyone will contribute. Resources will be distributed based on that formula. The National Socialists permitted private ownership of firms and property but it absolutely controlled and commanded the German economy. Any time a country adopts a totalitarian system, it by definition, is behaving as a socialist state because the state becomes the only authority and directs society as a collective.

Ivor Thomas, a 1930a era British Labor Party member who later became a liberal in the classic sense of the word, described what I am saying as follows:

“…from the point of view of the of fundamental human liberties there is little to choose between communism, socialism, and national socialism. They all are examples of the collectivist totalitarian state…in its essentials not only is completed socialism the same as communism but it hardly differs from fascism.”

I often talk about Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom”. It was published in 1944, obviously at the height of WWII. Chapter 12 of that book is entitled The Socialist Roots of Nazism and I have linked that chapter in other posts on this thread.

Funny thing is that if you Wiki National Socialism the contributors will state that is it s right wing philosophy; however, they do not explain how or why. They can’t because if one argues militarism then one counter is the USSR’s militaristic culture. Stalin, Mao, Castro, Chavez all wore military uniforms and used military displays as a way to showcase the might of the State.

Anti-intellectualism? Nope the suppression of outside or counter socialist views are the hallmarks of the totalitarian state, which, of course, are collective societies. See where this goes?

Hyper-Nationalism? No again. That is a central part of the totalitarian collective society. To band everyone together internally, the state needs an external enemy. Capitalists, Jews, and ironically enough, Communists in Nazi Germany. Hitler railed against Stalin and Russia but politically and ideologically they were first cousins. Orwell. in “1984″ discussed how the three super-states were in a state of constant warfare. Big Brother, as a means to pull everyone in Oceania together and work for the common good, is the metaphor for Stalin’s, Hitler’s and Mao’s tactics of demonizing everyone who was not like them politically or ethnically.

I know that we are taught that the Nazis were far right. They simply were not. Their origins are Marxism and it began as far back as Bismark’s time. The Superman theories and all the Aryan supremacy rhetoric was propaganda to bind the Germans to the state and inflate their cultural egos. Hayek even documents that that rhetoric came from Hitler’s childhood literary heroes. That Frederick Nietzche was apart of the discussion was just icing on the cake because he was German.

I am out of time but hopefully you can see why I totally reject national socialism as a right wing system.

Prove me wrong. Prove being the operative word.

Sidekick
Member

Olivia: Nonsense, Kick. Nazism was and is a right wing extremist movement. The intense nationalism, jingoism and xenophobia; distrust of foreign cultures; intolerance of religions other than Christianity; tolerance of racism, emphasis on law and order at the expense of individual liberties; disdain for artists and intellectuals; intolerance of dissenting views; invasion of sovereign nations for insistence on conformity to a prescribed lifestyle and personal allegiance; and tendency to rewrite history and science for political expediency—-those are all far right wing values.

Just to be sure you know: NAZI is an acronym for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) – the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of Adolf Hitler: the Nazi Party. It is national socialism. A political and economic system. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

What I copied and pasted is an exact description of the USSR and Maoist China. That the Nazis exhibited those things confirms my contention that national socialism is left wing. Thank you. I now am convinced that you simply do not know the difference between right and left wing. You need to get your stuff together. Give me one example where what you described is exclusively a right wing characteristic? Do you know ANYTHING?

sa_rose
Member

She can’t grasp it because it is not part of her world view. She lives in her own self made reality that has little relation to the real world in which the rest of us reside.

poppajoe49
Member

She can’t grasp it because it is not part of her world view.

She can’t grasp her ass with both hands!
It eludes her unless there are instructions on how to comprehend it on HuffPo.

Sidekick
Member

“How many times have I reminded you here that you’ve provided absolutely zero evidence that the entire world community of Muslims support the actions of enraged extremists/ To assume they do makes no more sense than it would to assume that all Americans are as angry, as prejudiced and as illogical as YOU are.”

How many times have we told you that we are talking about the jihadis only? No-one has said that the entire Muslim community supports terror. In fact, I posted that the range was 7% to 30% depending on the website. Are you really that stupid? Yes, you are that stupid because you keep trying to float that idea and yet there is not a single post here that I have seen that supports your accusation. So are you a moron or a liar? Your choice. Either is fine with me.

Once again we are looking at a false premise and another straw man argument from the single most idiotic poster on this board. Do you lie to your family like this too? Coworkers? I’m not worried about friends as I doubt you have any of those.

sa_rose
Member

Olivia: Somebody seems to have lost contact with reality. He’s laboring under the delusion that (1) he knows me personally, (2) he’s witnessed me at work, and (3) he knows his hind end from a hole in the ground about emergency nursing, EMTALA laws and who makes clinical decisions concerning ER patients.
Olivia to John:Such far right movements always seem to attract the ignorant and socially insecure—–those who are a walking, talking bundle of anger, who are anxious to find a scapegoat for their anger, and who crave belonging to a group.

You fit that profile perfectly, John. You’re not a well informed or thoughtful man; you’re obviously very angry (and eager to blame your frustrations on Muslims, whether or not it makes sense to do so), and you don’t mind looking like an ignorant fool to do so, just so long as you’re part of a group. . . . But, as I said, now that it’s no longer socially acceptable to call black Americans “n***ers” in public, and repeat hate speech about them, the far right—-ever the cowards, for all their boisterous swaggering and braggadocio)—-had to try to come up with a new group to hate. Illegal Hispanic immigrants are one handy target for them nowadays (or, of course, anyone who looks or sounds Hispanic, regardless of immigration status), but that’s not enough. Today, they have to have TWO groups to hate—-one that they can b*tch about for taking jobs away, and the other to project their hatred onto.

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So we have no clue about you or emergency care, or your personal beliefs, but you know all of us inside and out. That’s like my ex-he always said he could read me like a book. Right up until I threw his ass out, and he never saw it coming. Perhaps instead of attacking us as a homogeneous group, you could recognize that we are individuals, each with our own background, education, experience, and beliefs. Just because some of those beliefs coincide with each other doesn’t make us all the same any more than your moronic posts mean ALL liberals are as annoying and blind as you.

Sidekick
Member

You’re giving her too much credit. Olivia is crazy. Her posts are totally disassociated from what is actually posted by others. She is pathologically unable to see any point of view but her own and she has built a protective armor of cliches and weird rhetoric to protect her from facing new ideas. This becomes more obvious with every statement that she makes. One can not debate with her because that is not within her range of capabilities. Her behavior is no different than that of a gnat buzzing in your ear that you must swat away.

It is too bad. It would be nice to have a progressive come here and debate intelligently. I know. That is a pipe dream.

Babydoll102187
Member

There was one on here when I first came here in May, but he hasnt posted anything in the last couple of months. I do hope he is still here, even if he’s just reading. There where alot of really good discussions with this person and Perlcat, and I learned alot just being a fly on the wall. I miss reading those discussions. Now its nothing but filtering out usless Olivia drivel through threads over 600+ in length.

poppajoe49
Member

Olivia is crazy. She is pathologically unable to see any point of view but her own

Maybe she’s actually Raul Castro’s daughter?
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ihatethemedia/~3/etL4diLt_QM/obama-lands-the-coveted-fidel-castro-endorsement?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Well, it goes like this; if you want to piss off conservatives, lie to them. If you want to piss off liberals, tell them the truth.

beanhead54
Guest

s_a: “That’s like my ex-he always said he could read me like a book. Right up until I threw his ass out, and he never saw it coming.

I like people with a functioning “bullshit meter” who aren’t afraid to act when the needle slams into the red. Need I tell you what has had mine pegged out for about the last week?

poppajoe49
Member

I like people with a functioning “bullshit meter” who aren’t afraid to act when the needle slams into the red. Need I tell you what has had mine pegged out for about the last week?

Let me guess, a moonbat? 😉

sa_rose
Member

“Hitler skillfully maneuvered through Nazi Party politics and emerged as the sole leader. The Führerprinzip, or leader principle, established Hitler as the one and only to whom Party members swore loyalty unto death. Final decision making rested with him, and his strategy was to develop a highly centralized and structured party that could compete in Germany’s future elections. Hitler hoped to create a bureaucracy which he envisioned as “the germ of the future state.”

Sounds like a liberal , big central government state to me!

and of course, the Muslims were associated with the Nazi party in WWII, yes, they were our ENEMIES.
“The Muslim leadership across the world is spewing the same rhetoric and incitement to Jew hatred that they did when allied with Hitler. They raised their Muslim armies in Europe and were responsible for the death of 400,000 Jews. They’re back. Actually they never left, but the West has lain down.”

Who is the blind one here, Olivia? Whoi is the one flinging childish insults, and expressing bigotry and raacism? Look in the mirror Missy. And don’t forget when we speak of your credntials, we have already established your deficits in simple math.

Sidekick
Member

Rose if you do not mind, I am adding a link to illustrate your point about the Muslim Nazi connection.

The link describes the conspiracy to eradicate the Jews in the Middle East.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html

from the link:

n 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.

The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”1

In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti’s requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches….The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely….the Jews….” Hitler replied:

Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine….Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle….Germany’s objective [is]…solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere….In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.2

sa_rose
Member

Absolutely. This is a much overlooked/ignored fact of WWII. The Allies in the Middle East fought Mulims who were Allies of the Nazis, deposed their rulers, good or bad, and put Nazi puppets in their places.

GhostntheMachine
Member

I’m sorry, I have to do this, ” a rose is a rose is a rose, by any other name would it not…” Didn’t somebody quote the Bard earlier? I really need to stop this when insomnia strikes.

john
Member

So you know all about me do you, you dried up piece of goat jerky? Boy I must really be getting to you, your getting hysterical, tell you the truth,it is amusing to me and some of what I say is to bait you because I really dislike you and what you stand for, O respect for you and your kind.

poppajoe49
Member

Oblivious, if you were any more stupid, you would be dead!

Kick has proven numerous times that the Nazis were leftists, you choose to ignore this because it flies in the face of your argument.

Once you get past that part of your post, it gets so insane that Freud would like to have a talk with you.

sa_rose
Member

I know I am going to get thumbs down on this, but I have to be honest. Several of the references I read, listed Nazis initially as a far right group. THat was at the very beginning, before Mein Kampf, before his electionto any sort of office, etc.

poppajoe49
Member

That’s fine Rose, they might have started out as right wing, but then they found their true calling, and went leftist.

Sidekick
Member

Rose, I won’t thumb you down at all. Let me try to very briefly explain why National Socialism is actually a left wing system.

Socialism is partially defined as the the state ownership of what we would call the private sector and the state commands and centralizes all economic activity. In a purely socialist system, there are no property rights everyone works for the collective and the government determines what everyone needs and how everyone will contribute. Resources will be distributed based on that formula. The National Socialists permitted private ownership of firms and property but it absolutely controlled and commanded the German economy. Any time a country adopts a totalitarian system, it by definition, is behaving as a socialist state because the state becomes the only authority and directs society as a collective.

Ivor Thomas, a 1930a era British Labor Party member who later became a liberal in the classic sense of the word, described what I am saying as follows:

“…from the point of view of the of fundamental human liberties there is little to choose between communism, socialism, and national socialism. They all are examples of the collectivist totalitarian state…in its essentials not only is completed socialism the same as communism but it hardly differs from fascism.”

I often talk about Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom”. It was published in 1944, obviously at the height of WWII. Chapter 12 of that book is entitled The Socialist Roots of Nazism and I have linked that chapter in other posts on this thread.

Funny thing is that if you Wiki National Socialism the contributors will state that is it s right wing philosophy; however, they do not explain how or why. They can’t because if one argues militarism then one counter is the USSR’s militaristic culture. Stalin, Mao, Castro, Chavez all wore military uniforms and used military displays as a way to showcase the might of the State.

Anti-intellectualism? Nope the suppression of outside or counter socialist views are the hallmarks of the totalitarian state, which, of course, are collective societies. See where this goes?

Hyper-Nationalism? No again. That is a central part of the totalitarian collective society. To band everyone together internally, the state needs an external enemy. Capitalists, Jews, and ironically enough, Communists in Nazi Germany. Hitler railed against Stalin and Russia but politically and ideologically they were first cousins. Orwell. in “1984” discussed how the three super-states were in a state of constant warfare. Big Brother, as a means to pull everyone in Oceania together and work for the common good, is the metaphor for Stalin’s, Hitler’s and Mao’s tactics of demonizing everyone who was not like them politically or ethnically.

I know that we are taught that the Nazis were far right. They simply were not. Their origins are Marxism and it began as far back as Bismark’s time. The Superman theories and all the Aryan supremacy rhetoric was propaganda to bind the Germans to the state and inflate their cultural egos. Hayek even documents that that rhetoric came from Hitler’s childhood literary heroes. That Frederick Nietzche was apart of the discussion was just icing on the cake because he was German.

I am out of time but hopefully you can see why I totally reject national socialism as a right wing system.

sa_rose
Member

Oh I understand erfectly. I was just noting that there ARE sources which identify the early identity as rabid right wingers, but never cover the leftist movement after his prison term, and the writing of Mein Kampf. No one in education wants anyone to realize how similar the socialist agenda here is to some of the socialist aganda in Nazi Germany. They are too busy cal US Nazis. Did you here, Obama is bypassing COngress and declaring Amnesty for about a million illegal immigrants?

Sidekick
Member

“Did you here, Obama is bypassing COngress and declaring Amnesty for about a million illegal immigrants?”

I sure did. Funny, I read and reread Article 2 of the Constitution and I just can not seem to find where he has the authority to do that. I guess he was promoted to dictator and no-one told us.

poppajoe49
Member

That’s because you didn’t read between the lines like Barry does.
The “Living Breathing” Constitution is turning over in it’s grave.

sa_rose
Member

Or at least he thinks he was. Man, I was ticked-you can tell by the many typos in that post! 😛
What ticks me off even more, is that this is nothing but a campaign move now that he has been in office for three years (close to anyway) and hasn’t done ANYTHING he swore he would do.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Good work, SK. In the bloggoworld a post this long is usually to full of unimportant fluff, disconnected tangential nonsense. You’re constructions are very well ordered and work to clarify any potential ambiguity all the time. Kudos, brother.

poppajoe49
Member

He is a bright guy, isn’t he?
Makes me proud to know him.
But then, 2 scruffy looking guys like us are just trying to improve our images by hanging out with him! 😉

Sidekick
Member

Now you’re just embarrassing me… 😀

drb
Member

2 scruffy looking guys like us are just trying to improve our images

So THAT’S why KQ, Barb, Babydoll, sa_rose and I have been allowed to join the posse.

poppajoe49
Member

You got that right!
Sidekick is the GQ one of the bunch. Dean and I are hairy faced dudes.
Almost any feminine company is welcome, with one notable exception, but then she did say that she was leaving us!

fredfred
Member

…..”The ludicrous thing is, they have such a narrow idea of what Muslims look and talk and dress like, that they’re inclined to heap scorn and hatred on, say, a devout Sikh, and totally ignore the Muslim with Caucasian features and street clothes. I enjoy watching them pontificate about “the Muslim culture,” obviously totally ignorant of the fact that Muslims come from many different cultures, and have many different political views.”

Change a couple of words and it describes Olivia and her ilk to a “T”.

The ludicrous thing is, they have such a narrow idea of what Conservatives look and talk and dress like, that they’re inclined to heap scorn and hatred on, say, a devout Libertarian, and totally ignore the Tea Party member with African American features and street clothes. I enjoy watching them pontificate about “the Far right culture,” obviously totally ignorant of the fact that Conservatives come from many different cultures, and have many different political views.

MDLION
Member

Excellent post, fredfred, particularly the last paragraph.

john
Member

It is really telling, where this dhimmified stinking seaslug is coming from when in her last boring read she says that ” where ever extremists come from” she names the U.S., Britain, Germany and I’m sure very reluctantly Pakistan. That right there tells us she is a muzzie sympathizer or more likely a burqa wearing muzzie slut. So the U.S and Britain is what comes to mind when you think of extremists? What about any one of the worlds muslum countries like Somalia,Yemen, Libya, Egypt, Iran, Iraq no extremists there you idiot ?

Olivia
Member

It is really telling, where this dhimmified stinking seaslug is coming from when in her last boring read she says that ” where ever extremists come from” she names the U.S., Britain, Germany and I’m sure very reluctantly Pakistan.
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Well, first of all, I would never be so foolish as to type “where ever” instead of “wherever,” so you’re misquoting me.

Second, when did I mention extremists in reference to the U.S., Britain, Germany and/or Pakistan? I think you misread my post, John. My point was that there are Muslims living in many different countries, with many different cultures and traditions, and that the far right tends to stereotype the whole religion as violent and barbaric extremists from the Middle East.

This is as unrealistic as trying to suggest that all Catholics are Trappist monks in Italy (or want to be), or that all Americans are morbidly obese Tea Party fanatics (or want to be).

Next time, maybe you ought to actually read the post before commenting on it? I know how eager you are to start calling names and flaunting bigotry, but would it hurt to delay gratification just a few seconds, while you find out what it is you’re arguing with?

john
Member

Like your hero obama you probably did very well in grammar and speech class’s all your life and you feel confident when you want to claim you were misquoted if the spelling is wrong or the words not verbatim.”You know, it’s an interesting thing about right wing extremists, whether they come from the U.S., or Britain, or Pakistan, or even Nazi Germany.” And now you claim you meant muslums live in many countries? I’ve never been impressed by anyone with flowery speech, I like plain and truthful conversation, your an ass, and it’s plain to see just like your hero that mummbles and stumbles without his teleprompter, thinking people see past his bullshit but others like you are drawn like flies.

beanhead54
Guest

THREE!!

john
Member

Here’s an interesting story and example of NYC liberal dhimmitude back in 1972 Harlem Mosque Incident 1970′s

April 14, 1972, was one of the darkest days in the NYPD history. Patrolmen Phil Cardillo and Vito Navarra were riding in 28 sector George. They were the first RMP to respond to a 10‑13 on the second floor at 102 West 116 Street.

After arriving and entering the building which was a mosque they questioned about 10 muslims at the front desk about the call. Suddenly the muslims shouted “Allah Akhbar”, more muslims came from rooms, then the officers were beaten and stomped by numerous black muslims.

A minute or two later Patrolmen Vic Padilla and Ivan Negron of the 25 pct. arrived and were also badly beaten and knocked to the ground. Navarra was able to crawl to the front door which was then slammed shut by the muslims. He told the responding cops that Cardillo was still inside. Thru a small window in the front door cops could see Cardillo on the floor being kicked by the surrounding mob. Padilla was down and being stomped and his gun was taken. Ptl. Negron was being beaten and he was fighting off numerous hands that were attempting to rip the gun from his holster.

One of the muslims, six foot four and 260 pounds, Louis 17X Dupree grabbed Cardillo’s gun, ripped it from the holster and fired a round into Cardillo. The cops at the front door smashed the glass and afraid of hitting the fallen cops, fired five rounds over the heads of the muslims. Padilla, seeing Louis Dupree running with the gun, fired three rounds. More 10‑13′s are called.

The cops broke in the front door. The seventeen muslims ran to the basement. Cops flooded through the door and chased the fleeing muslims down the stairs. The cops had them against the wall and began searching for the missing guns. Cardillo is removed to St. Lukes hospital. At the same time, outside the mosque a large crowd of about a thousand locals begin to riot.

Cars were overturned, bricks are coming off the roofs, and cops and media people are being assaulted. While this is going on Deputy Chief Inspector William Knapp arrived and went into the basement and spoke with Inspector John Haugh the 28 pct CO. Insp. Haugh had responded to the 10‑13. He told the cops to guard the prisoners.

Knapp called Commissioner Pat Murphy and advised him of the turmoil inside and outside the mosque. While Knapp was talking on the phone he heard shouting. He turned and saw Louis Farrakhan and Charlie Rangel leading a large group of muslims down the basement stairs. Farrakhan was shouting that all the cops must leave the temple. Knapp tells Haugh to move to the street.

Now Deputy Commissioner Ben Ward arrives, with Farrakhan at his side he shouts to the superior officers that the cops immediately leave the mosque. The crime scene was abandoned. Farrakhan and Rangel are shouting to the superior officers “If you stay, there is nothing we can do to protect you. You’ll be overrun. There’ll be rioting. People may be killed.” Farrakhan and Rangel ‘promise’ that the prisoners would come to the 24 pct. at five o’clock to be questioned. Do you think anyone showed up? Phil Cardillo died six days later. Mayor John Lindsay and Commissioner Pat Murphy did NOT attend the funeral.

A few days after Cardillo was buried. Deputy Commissioner Ben Ward was quoted in the Amsterdam news: I believe that my investigation has pointed out, at least to my satisfaction, that there were some errors made on the part of the police. For the errors, and for the consequence of those errors, I apologize to minister Farrakhan.”

poppajoe49
Member

Farrakhan, Rangel, and the religion of peace. Perfect together.

GhostntheMachine
Member

Just wanted to say thanks for that song you guys had way back at the beginning of this thread. You know, Old Mohammed had a farm, e-i-e-i-o, with a pork rind here and a ham hock there, that one. Damn thing stuck in my head.
And then it morphed into a mental picture of Helen Thomas’ eviler twin leaning against a date tree (yeah, right) covered in camel spit holding a rusty sword singing;
” I saw to pieces, each time someone blasphmes your name” (uh oh, lower-case y and n, I’m an infidel). Most of the rest fell right into place, like ;”you told me to find someone else to stone, someone who bar-b-ques, instead of follows you…”
Still working on the rest, but I hope this echoes in your head like the original did mine. Seriously what I really wanted to say was, nice bike.

poppajoe49
Member

Oh goodie! Another “demented right wing bigot” to share the spotlight with! (Sorry, one of my occasional Olivia moments)
Thanks Ghost, the bike was a birthday present from the Mrs back in 02′ when she still had a job in mortgages. With her current job, she couldn’t afford a moped. 🙁

RockingHorseGuy
Member

And New York would be, if I remember correctly, a city ran by,……liberals?

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

I’m having a particularly good porkmadan this year. Everything seems so extra special on these milestone anniversaries.

Olivia
Member

I’m having a particularly good porkmadan this year. Everything seems so extra special on these milestone anniversaries.
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Like anyone (including your local Muslim community) is likely to give a crap what you eat during Ramadan. 😛

poppajoe49
Member

I’m having babyback ribs tonight!

Tomorrow will be these burgers I get from Aldi, Black Angus beef with cheddar cheese and bacon in them! AWESOME on the grill!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Bacon, cheese and burger, manna from above!

drb
Member

Ya’ll are making me hungery.

poppajoe49
Member

Dean, don’t you have an Aldi near you?

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

I’ll have to check. I know they opened a bunch of em in the area last year or so ago. I used to shop at one in MKE near my toxic-blaze-of-insanity sweethearts house. Good deals on lots of stuff.

After a quick google-de-look, 13 miles and change to the nearest one. Not far from where they boys in the band are. As distances to places here go that’s a hop and skip, no jump. As gas prices go combined with my fire breathing truck its a wash for me to go to Sweetbay or Publix. They’re only 2 and 4 miles, respectively.

I look forward to my quickly applied thumbs down from trollbot for this informative post.

poppajoe49
Member

LOL!
The one by me has milk at 2.99/gal and Wally World has it at 3.89/gal!
Of course, the one by me is a 2 minute walk, or 10 minutes by Smart car.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

15 if you count winding up that big key in the back.

john
Member

It’s time that olivia or whatever her real name is reveal herself as an aclu lawyer hired by cair to protect the image of muzzies. She’s done a bang up job so far.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Well, ahem… the bang up job thing is debatable.

poppajoe49
Member

The ACLU/CAIR theory is just as plausible as my theory that she works for Al-Jazeera.
She hasn’t denied that one yet! 😉

john
Member

Funny how whatshername saves all of her vitriol for people on the internet who’s crime in her eyes are calling murderers muzzies and such, but has no bad words about the murderering scum bags, that’s curious.

Olivia
Member

Funny how whatshername saves all of her vitriol for people on the internet who’s crime in her eyes are calling murderers muzzies and such, but has no bad words about the murderering scum bags, that’s curious.
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Just to keep you happy, John, I will state clearly that I disapprove of murderers.

But I don’t believe in generalizing about an entire major world religion, based on what a handful of murderous fanatics choose to do for political purposes. THAT is the difference between you and me.

(Well, that and the fact that you revel in ignorance and bigotry, and I don’t, that is.)

john
Member

What do you consider a “handful of terrorists” woman?

Monthly Jihad Report
July, 2011 Jihad Attacks: 167

Countries: 21

Religions: 5

Dead Bodies: 705

Critically Injured: 1090

Olivia
Member

What do you consider a “handful of terrorists” woman?

Monthly Jihad Report
July, 2011 Jihad Attacks: 167

Countries: 21

Religions: 5

Dead Bodies: 705

Critically Injured: 1090
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Well, first, where are you getting your figures? I’m sorry, but I’m not too trusting of websites whose entire mission is to spread hatred and fear of Muslims. Got any from a more neutral source? And what in the Sam Hill is that statistic about 5 religions?

Second, with over a billion and a half Muslims worldwide, 705 murders (if that’s what your rabid Islamophobic website means by “dead bodies”) is indeed a “handful”—-especially when one of the countries profiled is wartorn Iraq. In contrast, there were 15,241 murders in the U.S. in 2009—-over 300 per week—and the U.S. population is far less than the entire world’s Muslim population. Does that make us Americans all murdering terrorists? 😉

Interesting, too, that your Islamophobic website just sort of jumped to the conclusion that all the perpetrators listed were Muslim, even when religion and crime motive were not listed in the official police or news reports. Even in cases in which the attackers were determined to be Muslims, the violent actions appeared to have more to do with mass poverty and unemployment than religious doctrine.

Example:
Police report: BAQUBA – Gunmen entered a house and killed a man and his three-year-old daughter in a town near Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) northeast of Baghdad, police said. (Compiled by Baghdad bureau)

Rabid Islamophobic website spin doctored report: 2011.08.22 (Baqubah, Iraq) – A 3-year-old girl and her father are shot to death by Islamic ‘insurgents’ in their home.

Local news report: Two people were killed and three injured following an attack by unknown gunmen in a community in Kano town where 400 had been killed in post-election violence in April, police said Monday….http://news.africafreedirectory.com/news/gunmen-kill-fiveyearold-boy-in-bajju-community-police

Rabid Islamophobic website spin doctored report: (Bajju, Nigeria) – Suspected Muslim radicals shoot two Christians to death in their homes, including a 5-year-old boy.

Local news report: A community leader says men armed with rifles and pangas killed 13 people in an attack on a village in central Nigeria.

The Riyom local government chairperson said on Tuesday three homes were attacked in the Christian village of Kuru Station around midnight on Monday. Simon Mwaekwom says villagers told him the attackers included soldiers and that soldiers stationed nearby refused to help.

He says the attackers killed children and adults and burned down their houses. He says three people were injured.

The village sits south of Jos, the epicentre of religious violence in Nigeria’s “middle belt,” where dozens of ethnic groups vie for control of fertile lands.

Politics, jobs and land often motivate violence that falls along religious lines

Rabid Islamophobic spin doctored website reports: (Riyom, Nigeria) – Fulani raiders attack a Christian village, hacking six to death, including women and children. (No mention whatsoever of the abovementioned motivators for the frequent violent conflict in this area.)

Now, show me your evidence that ALL of these murders, plus the other 700 or so mentioned, (1) were committed exclusively by Muslims, and exclusively AGAINST innocent non-Muslims, (2) were done with the blessing and encouragement of all mainstream Muslim clergy, and (3) were committed just because Muslims hate non-Muslims and decided to knock off a few just for the fun of it.

Sorry, my boy, but you’ve been had. Again.

That’s the problem with being a bigot—-most are (by definition)ignorant and emotional, and, therefore, easily manipulated.

john
Member

I really don’t care if I convince you of anything you ignorant slut.

sa_rose
Member

Gotcha!

john
Member

What a grand person you are to take a stand and “disapprove of murderers”, but not as much as you disapprove of the horrible things we call those murderers. Your filthy.

Olivia
Member

What a grand person you are to take a stand and “disapprove of murderers”, but not as much as you disapprove of the horrible things we call those murderers. Your filthy.
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Trust a far righter to think it’s “filthy” to ask for solid evidence of mass wrongdoing, rather than running off half cocked, screaming hatred at every Muslim in the world.

Ten years ago, I couldn’t understand how a nation like Germany could ever have been manipulated into standing by and dispassionately watching while Jewish citizens were systematically stripped of their rights, persecuted, tortured, shot and rounded up into concentration camps. But you righties have made me understand a little more just what powerful motivators fear, ignorance and gullibility are.

How sad that lessons from less than 70 years ago have been forgotten so quickly by the likes of you.

sa_rose
Member

So now we are the same as Nazis. A great many people in Germany saw exactly what was happening, and got out, or assisted others to get out. They hid jew, homosexuals, Polish Christians and anyone else on the current Nazi hit list. They did so at the risk of their own lives and families, so don’t be making assumptions about the Germans either. Of course, I understand you hate them all because you have to line up with the French.
I also fail to find a post where anyone recommended rounding up ALL muslims, stripping them of their rights, and gunning them down. The key word here is ALL. We are absolutely ready to dispose of extemists who murder each other as well as putting everyone else at risk. How many Muslims have been killed in suicide bombings? They aim for Westerners (why should that bother us) but they kill their own as well. Collateral damage, I guess.

MDLION
Member

sa_rose to Olivia:”A great many people in Germany saw exactly what was happening, and got out, or assisted others to get out. They hid jew, homosexuals, Polish Christians and anyone else on the current Nazi hit list. They did so at the risk of their own lives and families, so don’t be making assumptions about the Germans either.”

Olivia would have to praise a lot of conservative Christians(“religious zealots” in her book) to praise these people so don’t hold your breath. The left usually doesn’t want to praise the brave Germans because they want the Germans portrayed as apathetic Christians. The scant media coverage given to the good Germans over the years is another media scandal. It’s usually blind leftists like Olivia who defend 4000 abortions a day in this country who are the first to pull out the Nazi card. What hypocrisy!

Sidekick
Member

Good point. Olivia talks about 10 years ago. Hitler was the first person I thought of when in 2008 Obama made the nomination acceptance speech in Mile High Stadium complete with Greek columns. That was right out of Nuremburg 1934.

That she is so myopic to not see who is really gullible in this country is not surprising. Just recall the zombies who chanted “Yes We Can” like the mindless boobs they were/are.

Sidekick
Member

“…screaming hatred at every Muslim in the world.”

You just lied again

“Ten years ago, I couldn’t understand how a nation like Germany could ever have been manipulated into standing by and dispassionately watching while Jewish citizens were systematically stripped of their rights, persecuted, tortured, shot and rounded up into concentration camps. But you righties have made me understand a little more just what powerful motivators fear, ignorance and gullibility are.”

National Socialism is left wing dear. Your side owns those atrocities too. So let me get my scorecard out
-USSR
-Nazi Germany
-People’s Republic of China
-North Korea
-North Vietnam
-Cambodia
-Cuba
-Venezuela

Yep, your side cornered the mass murderer market. No wonder you are sympathetic to radical Islam. They are your kind of people.

Sidekick
Member

http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/hayeknaziism.html

This link, if you read it, will help you understand why the Nazis were left-wingers.

Sidekick
Member

Olivia: …while Jewish citizens were systematically stripped of their rights, persecuted, tortured, shot and rounded up into concentration camps.

I believe your liberal icon, FDR, did something similar to Japanese and Italian Americans. I will concede that he did not have them shot but he certainly saw to the rest of it. Progressives and your inhumanity to man. WTF, is wrong with you people?

john
Member

Your comparing us to Nazis is like saying the Jews were the racist, bigot murderers and the Nazis the persecuted ones. The muzzies are the ones that like to kill humans wholesale you stupid hag. Hey, how’d you like the way I incorporated racist and bigot into my post like you always do hag?

Sidekick
Member

Makes sense though because the Nazis and Olivia share the same core ideology.

Olivia
Member

Makes sense though because the Nazis and Olivia share the same core ideology.
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YOU’RE the one seeking to demonize millions of law-abiding people, purely because you fear their religion, Kick.

And YOU, not I, are the one who flaunts bigotry and hatred like a badge of honor.

This is so ludicrous. Here I am, arguing with—what? 20 of you? 25?—-singlehandedly….yet the ONLY debate strategies you guys seem to have is name calling and flinging silly personal insults.

No wonder no other liberals seem to show up here. You guys are tiresomely easy and predictable.

So, what’s your next debate strategy? Attacking my professional skills? Claiming I love Al Quaeda? Accusing me of (gasp!) being OLD? Or accusing me of being some dastardly undercover agent, laying an elaborate trap for a bunch of blowhards flapping their jaws on the internet? 😉

drb
Member

Oh, poor put upon soul, crying victim again when you are here voluntarily.

Babydoll102187
Member

And always comes back for more….as a “duty” to explain the liberal view to us conservatives.

Shes doing a great job! 🙂

Olivia
Member

Author: drb
Comment:
Oh, poor put upon soul, crying victim again when you are here voluntarily.
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Where did you get the idea I was “crying,” Drb? I’m utterly amused by the fact that 25 or so hard righters are reduced to flinging childish insults, because they can’t come up with a more relevant argument. 😉

To quote Shakespeare, what I see here is a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. And I do mean nothing. 😉

Olivia
Member

Author: Babydoll102187
Comment:
And always comes back for more….as a “duty” to explain the liberal view to us conservatives.
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Someone’s got to explain it to you, since the whole board is riddled with lies, rumors and misconceptions about us. 😉

poppajoe49
Member

Someone’s got to explain it to you, since the whole board is riddled with lies, rumors and misconceptions about us.

Us who? The muzzies of Chicago?

Poor deluded Olivia, The idea that you are right and everyone else is wrong, has muddled your thinking.

drb
Member

BS!
If you were amused, you would not be whining and complaining that the posters here don’t argue their points according to your standards. You are here by your own choice. That is fine by me, I don’t care. I find you quite entertaining.

As per your Shakespeare quote, if you truly believe that to be an accurate depiction of what goes on here, why waste your time here? What do you think you are accomplishing? You see what you want to see. The rest of us see right through you and your BS.

Olivia
Member

As per your Shakespeare quote, if you truly believe that to be an accurate depiction of what goes on here, why waste your time here?
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As I’ve explained here more than once, I love absurdities. And, when you righties get all fired up over some non-issue and start in with the pompous pontificating, it’s as good as an all-night Ed Wood film festival. 😀

drb
Member

Oh, ok issue more BS.

poppajoe49
Member

As I’ve explained here more than once, I love absurdities.

You must, you post so many of them!

Sidekick
Member

“As I’ve explained here more than once, I love absurdities. And, when you righties get all fired up over some non-issue and start in with the pompous pontificating, it’s as good as an all-night Ed Wood film festival.”

But Olivia it is you who is absurd for reasons I have stated countless times. Ed Wood? Poor analogy but then again you probably don’t know much about him. Cross dressing and questionable “art” are more your side’s things since progressives don’t judge. I almost got that last part out without laughing.

MDLION
Member

Olivia, I’m surprised you would quote Shakespeare. He was clearly a Christian conservative (religious zealot?) who wrote about basic right and wrong in an entertaining manner. He’s one dead white European male you liberals haven’t been able to purge from the schools.

“Considering his major themes, Shakespeare is undoubtedly a conservative figure by today’s standards. Major conservative themes in his works include the sacred nature of the familial structure in King Lear, the recognition of God in his plays and personal life, the existence of necessary war in The Famous Life Of Henry V, and the exposed injustice of taxation in Coriolanus. Not surprisingly, modern liberal literary critics often ignore these themes because of their place on the modern political spectrum. Shakespeare wrote in his will, ‘I commend my soul into the hand of God, my Creator, hoping and assuredly believing, through the only merits of Jesus Christ my Saviour, to be made partaker of life everlasting.'”
http://www.conservapedia.com/William_Shakespeare

Olivia
Member

Olivia, I’m surprised you would quote Shakespeare. He was clearly a Christian conservative (religious zealot?) who wrote about basic right and wrong in an entertaining manner. He’s one dead white European male you liberals haven’t been able to purge from the schools.
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A Christian conservative? Now you’re REALLY making me laugh. If there’s anything funnier than trying to use a 400-years-dead British literary figure to validate 21st century bigotry and distrust of academia, I don’t know what it is (unless perhaps it’s trying to argue that Adolf Hitler was a political liberal).

I guess you never read those plays mentioned in your cut-and-paste, huh? If you had, you’d know that King Lear wasn’t exactly about “the sacred nature of the familial structure.” In fact, King Lear (who in the story went as mad as a March hare) disowned his daughter, Cordelia, because her description of her love for him wasn’t flattering enough. And that’s not all. Elsewhere in the story, brother kills brother; sister kills sister and then commits suicide. Some “sacred familial structure,” huh? 😀

Henry V is NOT so much a story about “the necessity of war” as an account of a king who was recognized as a fine warrior. (Let’s not forget that Shakespeare, like all artists of this time, was highly motivated to please his royal patron…..descendant of Henry V.) If you knew anything about history, you’d realize that the gains made by this warrior king (conquering France and taking the French king’s daughter for his wife) were all lost during the reign of their son, Henry VI, another king who went mad. From being proclaimed king of both England and France, Henry VI went on to lose both thrones, and was then stabbed to death. Thus began the War of the Roses, when the House of York fought against the House of Lancaster for the crown of England….and the years and years of subsequent battles and killings bled England white. (So much for the notion that Shakespeare was about “the necessity of war.”)

Then there’s Romeo and Juliet, a tale in which two young adolescents defied their warring parents, had illicit sex, and ran away together. It was only after their tragic deaths that their parents realized that the adolescents had been right, and the parents wrong. Now, that story fits right into that right wing “abstinence only” agenda, doesn’t it? @@

Then there’s Othello, a Moor (read: BLACK man (gasp!)!!) married to a lovely white woman, who ended up murdering her. Don’t even TRY to make that out to be a Christian conservative “basic right and wrong” story. 😀

Tell you what, Lion: if what you want is “basic right and wrong” stories in which everyone is either 100% good or 100% bad, and in which the good guy wins and the bad guy loses, best steer clear of Shakespeare. His characters aren’t that simple. That’s part of what makes him Shakespeare—-an astonishing grasp of human psychology, years before the discipline even existed. And his complex characters are far more interesting than any one-dimensional caricature the far right spin doctors have ever been able to come up with. 😀

sa_rose
Member

Well, Olivia, lets just look at Shakespeare.
1) Lear. Did it ever occur to you that the amazing level of dysfunction in Lear’s family was a warning to all how important family relationships are? That ignoring that disrupts the fabric of a civilized society (as evidenced by Cordelia, the only one who really loved her father being disowned, while his other children lied and flattered, thus getting kudos from Dad?) Is that how a family SHOULD operate? Don’t think so.
2) Romeo and Juliet-well if they had been obedient to their parents and for that matter communicated better with each other, they would not have ended up dead. They disobeyed their parents, the mores of their society, and encouraged others to participate in their deception. They both ended up dead for no good reason. A perfect example of the impulsivity of teens, and the lack of mature brain development which might have affected their decision making.
3) Othello killed his wife because he listened to gossip. And he was so insecure himself, that he believed Desdemona was cheating.He was too blind to see Iago as a threat (sound like anyone we know?)
Are you suggesting that since Othello was Black, and married to a white woman, that was the reason for her murder?

Give it up. You are once again talking out your ass, and embarrassing yourself in the process.

poppajoe49
Member

Lear. Did it ever occur to you

And that is where she stopped reading!

beanhead54
Guest

MDL: “Olivia, I’m surprised you would quote Shakespeare. He was clearly a Christian conservative (religious zealot?) who wrote about basic right and wrong in an entertaining manner. He’s one dead white European male you liberals haven’t been able to purge from the schools.”

Well thought and written remark, MD! Just one thing missing at the end…THWACK!

poppajoe49
Member

Where did you get the idea I was “crying,” Drb? I’m utterly amused by the fact that 25 or so hard righters are reduced to flinging childish insults, because they can’t come up with a more relevant argument.

Translation:
“WAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! I refuse to read your websites anymore because you make me look foolish, so I’ll just accuse you of parroting Rush instead of actually defending my useless point!”

poppajoe49
Member

I forget where, but somewhere in this mess, I got a hat trick!

john
Member

Your face is getting all puffy and red. Look we don’t care what you think, all you do is repeat bigot, racist etc., etc., and defend murderers. Your copy and paste of long boring dogma tactic is old and irritating, if you don’t like it here go away and never come back.

Sidekick
Member

“….if you don’t like it here go away and never come back.”

She does like it. She likes the treatment she receives here otherwise she would leave or modify her own offensive behavior to improve how she is treated. Either that or she is mentally ill.

sa_rose
Member

What you choose to ignore is that those of us who challenge you have submitted source citations, personal opinion (which last I heard was SUPPOSED to be allowed in this country) personal experience from a wide variety of inputs, and generally showing you WHY we believe as we do, and why YOU should at least read some of the links we provide, for your own growth and edification. YOU on the other hand are the one flinging insults-racist, bigot, NAZI! I don’t think you are anything but a blind, misguided pseudointellectual who gets a charge out of imagining you are sooooo much more sophisticated than we.

Olivia
Member

What you choose to ignore is that those of us who challenge you have submitted source citations, personal opinion (which last I heard was SUPPOSED to be allowed in this country) personal experience from a wide variety of inputs, and generally showing you WHY we believe as we do……
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Oh, stop whimpering, Rose. Unless you have evidence that I tried to get you arrested for expressing an opinion, your complaint is nothing more than self pity. Certainly it’s legal to have opinions in this country—-but it’s also legal to challenge them. Which I will continue to do, every time I see someone here spouting an untruth, or repeating obvious spin.

If that’s a problem for you, no one’s pointing a gun to your head, forcing you to read my posts. (Especially since they get “hidden” within minutes of posting them, and you don’t even see them unless you make the effort to click on them.)

I don’t recall calling you a Nazi (in fact, it was the other way around today, when one of your cohorts here called ME one). But, if it bothers you to be called a bigot or a Nazi or some other term implying hatred toward selected ethnic/racial/religious/ groups, there’s a simple remedy: don’t make bigoted generalizations about them. Problem solved.

poppajoe49
Member

every time I see someone here spouting an untruth, or repeating obvious spin

And that’s YOUR opinion!

sa_rose
Member

Ten years ago, I couldn’t understand how a nation like Germany could ever have been manipulated into standing by and dispassionately watching while Jewish citizens were systematically stripped of their rights, persecuted, tortured, shot and rounded up into concentration camps. But you righties have made me understand a little more just what powerful motivators fear, ignorance and gullibility are.

How sad that lessons from less than 70 years ago have been forgotten so quickly by the likes of you.

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Sounds like you are comparing us with Nazis to me. I am not the one whimpering. You write stupid, unfounded claims about conservatives in general, and attack us when we express our opinions, but if we challenge YOUR opinions, we are “flinging childish insults” (man you like that phrase) or parroting Rush or Beck. YOU are the one claiming you have “fought” all of us and that no one has been able to get the better of you. Except we have. Over and over agian. This is all about your blind spot and refusal to acknowledge reality if it disagrees with your basic world view. If it isn’t identical to yours, it must be wrong, correct?

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “Certainly it’s legal to have opinions in this country—-but it’s also legal to challenge them. Which I will continue to do, every time I see someone here spouting an untruth, or repeating obvious spin.”

Looks like this Sybil wannabe has many, many…mannymanymany arguments inside
her own head!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Fourths. Bring that shovel over here.

poppajoe49
Member

Here I am, arguing with—what? 20 of you? 25?—-singlehandedly

Well, if you want to keep getting those Al-Jazeera paychecks, you have to deal with it!

the ONLY debate strategies you guys seem to have is name calling and flinging silly personal insults.

I can see where you might think that, because every time someone posts a link to a LEGITIMATE website that proves you wrong, you disappear from the conversation!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Fortunately for us far right wingers her suicide acti-vest isn’t effective over the interweb.

Sidekick
Member

If you actually knew what National Socialism’s core ideology was, then you would have thanked me based on my observations of your statist collectivist worldview. Thanks for displaying your ignorance again. BTW, it was you who brought up the Nazis.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “So, what’s your next debate strategy? Attacking my professional skills?”

Yep. Already have, and proven the point. You are not only nutz, you are a danger to others.

Olivia
Member

Slowlivia: “So, what’s your next debate strategy? Attacking my professional skills?”

Yep. Already have, and proven the point.
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Somebody seems to have lost contact with reality. He’s laboring under the delusion that (1) he knows me personally, (2) he’s witnessed me at work, and (3) he knows his hind end from a hole in the ground about emergency nursing, EMTALA laws and who makes clinical decisions concerning ER patients.

That’s the hazard of listening to right wing talk radio 24/7. His ego has been so pumped up that he now thinks he’s invincible, even when discussing an issue that he clearly knows nothing about.

Sidekick
Member

“That’s the hazard of listening to right wing talk radio 24/7”

You know that how, Kreskin?

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “delusion that (1) he knows me personally, (2) he’s witnessed me at work, and (3) he knows his hind end from a hole in the ground about emergency nursing, EMTALA laws and who makes clinical decisions concerning ER patients.”

That’s the fun part, nurse Ratched. You don’t know who I am, very little about what I’ve done, nor my level of education and experience. I might ask you what you thought I was doing hanging in a rescue harness… delivering babies down a chimney? I might ask you that, but I won’t because your obvious lack of deductive reasoning would leave us all waiting for an answer for hours.

Before you start crowing about what you think I don’t know, you’d bettere be sure about what you think you do. I clearly stated that the UCMC doctor was within minimum standards of care-bare minimum. No violation of standards of practice-no investigation, so you can shove your EMTLA where the sun don’t shine.

The point of the case is that the doctor’s course of treatment would have left the child with a facial scar. Something UCMC didn’t care about and you obviously don’t care about while you protect your precious MO. I had you pegged as either a beginner or someone not to be trusted with snap decisions when you totally blew the call on a facial wound.

Keep running your mouth Slowlivia, THWACKing you has become quite fun.

drb
Member

turds

Olivia
Member

That’s the fun part, nurse Ratched. You don’t know who I am, very little about what I’ve done, nor my level of education and experience.
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I have very little interest in who you are and what you’ve done, Beanhead, and your “level of education and experience” is only too obvious in the misinformation and lapses in logic I’ve seen you pepper across this board.

It always amuses me when you righties get into a urinating match, and start belittling my livelihood, or misrepresenting what I’ve said or what I believe—–because you can’t refute what I’m saying.

How long is it going to take you guys to realize that childish insults (or wild guesses about my personal life) are pointless? 😀

sa_rose
Member

So YOU can say anything you like about us, but if WE say something YOU don’t like, we are in a pissing contest with you (lets just say it as it is.) You know less than nothing about most of the posters on this site. I actually GAVE you my credentials, and you laughed it off and inferred I was not really a nurse, had never worked off shifts, never dealt with abotion mills, etc. So I hardly think you are in any position to complain about ANY conclusion WE reach based on your posts. Unless of course, you are lying, and your posts do not really represent you.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “—–because you can’t refute what I’m saying.”

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…

Ooh.. I think I hurt myself on that one.

Geez, don’t tell Slow- she might “help”and I’ll end up dead.

Sidekick
Member

“How long is it going to take you guys to realize that childish insults (or wild guesses about my personal life) are pointless?

Actually no-one gives a crap. I just like watching you constantly embarrass yourself”

“because you can’t refute what I’m saying.”

Olivia, after we are done refuting you (which is a very easy thing to do despite your obtuseness) – read: kicking your ass, you then run away like the intellectual coward that you are. You are one deluded piece of work.

Olivia
Member

Slowlivia: “delusion that (1) he knows me personally, (2) he’s witnessed me at work, and (3) he knows his hind end from a hole in the ground about emergency nursing, EMTALA laws and who makes clinical decisions concerning ER patients.”

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That’s the fun part, nurse Ratched. You don’t know who I am, very little about what I’ve done, nor my level of education and experience.
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No, but it’s not too hard to see through some of your bluster and BS. A skill I picked up, in large part, when I used to work with addicts. And, of course, your childish name calling (“Slowlivia,” “Ratched”) suggests that you’re both immature and lacking in creativity. It also shows that you’re not nearly as sure of yourself in this argument as you’re pretending to be. If you were, there’d be no reason to get so cocky and aggressive with me. 😉
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I might ask you what you thought I was doing hanging in a rescue harness… delivering babies down a chimney? I might ask you that, but I won’t because your obvious lack of deductive reasoning would leave us all waiting for an answer for hours.
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I don’t care what you were doing in a rescue harness, Kick—-it has no bearing on this issue. Unless you’re an emergency/outpatient clinic nurse, nurse practitioner or physician (or even a medical student who’s studied treatment of animal bites) you’re not qualified to second-guess the physician’s clinical decision here. You’ve already showcased your complete ignorance about ER procedure, when you tried to argue that nonclinical hospital personnel like Mrs. Obama would be involved in such cases, or have any say in the procedure(s) used to treat them.
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Before you start crowing about what you think I don’t know, you’d bettere be sure about what you think you do. I clearly stated that the UCMC doctor was within minimum standards of care-bare minimum. No violation of standards of practice-no investigation, so you can shove your EMTLA where the sun don’t shine.
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That’s “EMTALA,” Mr. Rescue Harness Expert. And, judgng from the way you’re using it, you don’t have the vaguest idea of what it is, or how it might apply in a case like this one. 😉
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The point of the case is that the doctor’s course of treatment would have left the child with a facial scar. Something UCMC didn’t care about
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That’s speculation on your part, Mr. Expert.
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and you obviously don’t care about
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More speculation (and childish insult)
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while you protect your precious MO. I had you pegged as either a beginner or someone not to be trusted with snap decisions when you totally blew the call on a facial wound.
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…..says the clinical expert wannabe, who wasn’t there, didn’t see the facial wounds, didn’t talk to the physician(s) in question, has no medical background, didn’t see the follow-up care plan, and thinks that boasting about familiarity with rescue harnesses, and being married to a nurse, magically confers medical expertise on him.

I never stated that the doctor did the right thing by leaving the wound open, Kick. Not being a physician, and not having seen the patient or known the specific circumstances and time of the injury, or what the follow-up treatment plan was, I wouldn’t venture to guess which would have been the best policy here. I merely pointed out three things that should be obvious to anyone with a working brain:

1) There ARE situations in which it’s recommended that animal bite lacerations not be immediately closed;

2) Michelle Obama, not being part of the medical staff, would have had no input on which treatment this patient should or should not receive in the ER;

3) given that patients are protected by federal HIPAA laws, Michelle Obama wouldn’t even have access to this patient’s medical information, or the fact that he was treated there (much less being involved with his treatment), unless her job responsibilities required her to have this information.

So, for all your swaggering attempts to discredit me, the fact remains that you’re just grasping at straws to demonize the First Lady….and the only way you can think of to do that is to hold her personally accountable for every bit of controversy, past and present, surrounding her former employer.

That says much more about your own dishonesty, than it does about her character, or my clinical competence.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “….and the only way you can think of to do that is to hold her personally accountable for every bit of controversy, past and present, surrounding her former employer.”

Hey dim bulb… it’s all in the past. She did it, got away with it and it’s over. She got away with it through use of corporate lawyers, manipulation of facts and by hiding behind a solid wall of slack-jawed, uninformed supporters such as yourself. Gee… just what you accuse the leadership on the Right of doing in Post after Post. NEVER would someone on the LEFT of the aisle ever THINK of doing such things, would they? You are such a babe in the woods… the Left is lucky to have such a plyable mind in their rag-tag army of misfits, wanna’ bes and entitlement hounds.

As far as the name calling goes, I read through countless threads before making any Posts, and it was you who was throwing around names like bigot, racist, homophobe and religious zealot, like you were throwing candy to kids at halloween. Oh, but you used the educated mind of a nurse and the keen sense of perception given only to medical professionals such as yourself to determine that all of the people on this Board rightly DESERVE the labels you have given them! Oh Slowlivia, you are such a narcissist that it is no longer even remotely funny and everyone here but you seems to know it.

As long as you continue to spout your worn-out rhetoric and necrotic ideals, I will continue to respond in any manner I believe necessary and fitting. I think I still have the Right of free speech, unless our impotent leader and his thief of a wife have found some underhanded method to take that away, too.

Oh, BTW…. it’s not all that much work to discredit you. Youv’e done much of that all by yourself.

sa_rose
Member

O puleeze. You KNOW that shipping this kid out was not the best course of action. You also know that regardless of HIPAA laws, the administration in the hospital has access to any chart it desires, and that decisions made by administration affects (usually negatively) every medical decision made. We have already established using your own criteria, that this child did not fall into the category of delayed closure, and besides, it isn’t like they made an appointment for him to come back, had that been the case. As a nurse with some 40 years experience in a number of areas, including ER and pediatrics, there have been several times when I questioned a physician’s actions. And I was always right. I was taught in Nursing school that Nurses have not just the right, but the obligation to monitor physician actions and decisions. And the courts have borne that out, no longer accepting the “The doctor ordered it” defense. And saying you don’t care about the child’s having a resultant facial scar may be hurtful, but it hardly falls under “childish insults.” And of course, he calls you rachet and slowlivia. If that means he is insecure, what does it reveal about you (poopajoe, bigots, racists, and “I have no idea WHOSE post I am answering.”)

Olivia
Member

It’s a shortcut to virtue much like the corrupt old idea of religious indulgences. Why live a life of virtue when you could live a sinful life and buy your way into heaven? If you’re a liberal, why actually live a life of virtue when you can merely call yourself a liberal and get credit for being virtuous, even when you’ve done nothing to earn it?
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Now, how would you know what I’ve done to “earn” “credit for being virtuous,” John? You don’t even know me.

There is one thing I’ve done that you haven’t, though: I’ve refrained from making bigoted and insulting remarks about selected ethnic/religious groups. I know that doesn’t sound virtuous to someone with YOUR values, but some would see that as a good thing. 😉

drb
Member

How do you know that was addressed to you or about you personally?
But then again you seem to think the world begins and ends with you.

These were the words of someone else. john just copied and pasted and gave credit to the author. Here is the link to the entire article if you care to read it.
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/08/23/7_reasons_why_liberals_are_incapable_of_understanding_the_world

Olivia
Member

How do you know that was addressed to you or about you personally?
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(looking forward, backward, to the left and right) I don’t see any liberals here except myself, Drb, and I’m the only liberal who was being discussed here. What’s more, John was just squabbling with me a few posts back—-criticizing (what else?) my liberalism.

Of course, if John doesn’t think any of the points in that antiliberal tirade apply to me, I’m sure he can speak up for himself and say so.

john
Member

What’s the controversy, of course that description of liberals applies to you. Typical of you to call that calm characterization of liberals a “tirade”.

drb
Member

(looking forward, backward, to the left and right) I don’t see any liberals here except myself, Drb, and I’m the only liberal who was being discussed here. What’s more, John was just squabbling with me a few posts back—-criticizing (what else?) my liberalism.

I’m sorry, dear you are not the only one here. Don’t forget Nick and Mitch are here too, not to mention the ones that I haven’t bothered to notice their screen names over on the SafeLink thread.

Of course, if John doesn’t think any of the points in that antiliberal tirade apply to me, I’m sure he can speak up for himself and say so.

Well, bless your heart! Now that you realize that people are prefectly capable of defending themselves, when are you going to let your token pet causes do just that for themselves?

Olivia
Member

(looking forward, backward, to the left and right) I don’t see any liberals here except myself, Drb, and I’m the only liberal who was being discussed here. What’s more, John was just squabbling with me a few posts back—-criticizing (what else?) my liberalism.

I’m sorry, dear you are not the only one here. Don’t forget Nick and Mitch are here too, not to mention the ones that I haven’t bothered to notice their screen names over on the SafeLink thread.

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Nice try, Derb, but John parroted a (bogus) quote about LIBERALS. I am a liberal. Therefore, he was talking about me. If he hadn’t meant for his drivel to apply to me, he had only to say so—-but he didn’t.

drb
Member

Nice try, right back at you. Once again you are taking a general statement as a personal attack. Clearly you did NOT read the article because if you did then you would realize that at least one section (2 in my estimation) do NOT apply to you personally.

So once again, you are guilty of assuming that you know someone else’s mind better than (s)he know it themselves.

And again, you are guilty of hypocracy as you distorted my screen name when I have never done so to you, yet you continually whine about that being done to you by others whom I have no control over.

David Bishop
Member

That is an amazing read, and quite proven by atleast what I have seen in my life.

drb
Member

And by what I have seen in my lifetime as well.

beanhead54
Guest

DB: “…what I have seen in my life.”

Throw my experiences on the pile as well.

BTW DB, many, many heartfelt thanks for your service to our country. Watch your six, and y’all come home safe, ok?

Hoorah, dude. Hoorah.

MDLION
Member

Olivia:” There is one thing I’ve done that you haven’t though: I’ve refrained from making bigoted and insulting remarks about selected ethnic/religious groups.”

I would say your recent remark that you don’t want “religious zealots” influencing abortion law is a very thinly-veiled slap at Pro-Life Christians.

Olivia
Member

Olivia:” There is one thing I’ve done that you haven’t though: I’ve refrained from making bigoted and insulting remarks about selected ethnic/religious groups.”

I would say your recent remark that you don’t want “religious zealots” influencing abortion law is a very thinly-veiled slap at Pro-Life Christians.
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Those who try to force their own religious beliefs on the whole country via federal law are indeed “religious zealots,” Lion. And, actually, I wasn’t trying to “veil” that observation in the least.

MDLION
Member

So, Olivia, quit saying you’ve “refrained from making bigoted and insulting remarks about selected ethnic/religious groups”, that’s not a true statement. You fall all over yourself to defend Islam, but Christians who want to save the lives of helpless infants, why that’s beyond the pale. And the sacredness of human life is beyond a matter of “religious beliefs”, it is a bedrock natural law principle. Without a right to life, all rights can be taken away.

Babydoll102187
Member

“Without a right to life, all rights can be taken away.”

And it is under the veil of TOLERANCE, a handy dandy liberal tool against any and all people and ideals they dont agree with, used only by them and allowed by none other.

Olivia
Member

So, Olivia, quit saying you’ve “refrained from making bigoted and insulting remarks about selected ethnic/religious groups”, that’s not a true statement. You fall all over yourself to defend Islam, but Christians who want to save the lives of helpless infants, why that’s beyond the pale.
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Nonsense, Lion. I work to save “helpless infants”—-and fetuses, too——at my job during the night while you’re lying in bed snoring. My position on abortion has nothing to do with wanting to kill babies or fetuses. It’s merely an acknowledgement that the woman in whose body the fetus is growing, and the physician she chooses, are better qualified than a bunch of nosy far righters, to make medical decisions regarding said body and/or fetus.

I’m sorry you refuse to understand this, since I’ve explained it here at least two dozen times. But, if you DO refuse to understand it, that’s your problem, not mine. I won’t apologize for insisting that women have the same right to control their bodies (and the contents thereof) as men have to control theirs.

sa_rose
Member

I’ll remember that the next time I hear a man having an abortion. Abortion as birth control (te only thing anyone here hjas issues with) is not a “medical decision.” And having personal experience in Maternal Child care, I promise you, abortion mills don’t give a flip about the woman’s “medical issues” other than to try and ensure that she doesn’t die on thier table and get them in trouble. I have heard the counseling, which virtually ignores adoption or keeping the baby as options. Panicy “women” as young as 13 are subtly pushed to the idea that abortion will make it all go away, and their life will go on as before. Except it doesn’t. Many women have medical (which we discussed) complications, as well as se\ignificant psychological issues. ANd a child is more thatn “the contents of a woman’s body.” it is a living entity, and there is always a father to consider. If the woman has no clue who the father is, then that says a great deal, does it not? I am all for birth control, and there ae a zillion methids from which to choose. THAT is where choice is, not after you have already created a baby.

MDLION
Member

Olivia:”women have the same right to control their bodies (and the contents thereof)”

You refer to the unborn human being as “contents”. Wow, that’s cold. A human being is not an object, a material thing, or “contents” but a sacred being created in the Image and Likeness of God with a right to life from the moment of conception not subject to the evil, whims, or foolish thinking of another. You’re a materialist and so you erroneously think some human beings should have dominion over and be able discard other human beings like unwanted objects or “contents”.

Olivia:”I work to save ‘helpless infants’ — and fetuses, too — at my job during the night while you’re in bed snoring.”

I worked the third shift for 17 years and never insulted anyone who didn’t. Of course, if I felt I had to defend killing babies I’d insult and deflect too. How do you know I still don’t work the third shift some? Oh, that’s right, you know EVERYTHING. You make so many assumptions about us here.

sa_rose
Member

MD: I’m going to stick my neck out here and draw some conclusions based on O’s posts. I suspect she has no children, maybe by choice, maybe not. And I bet either she has had an abortion or is close to someone who has, hence the rabid defense that there is nothing wrong with “emptying the contents of your body.” And like you, I worked nights FOREVER, much of it in Maternal Child, the rest in ER. So as far as that goes, I have done my share of lifesaving as well.

MDLION
Member

sa_rose, I don’t know Olivia’s personal history. I just have a hard time not responding to the contradictions. She VIGOROUSLY defends the bogus right to an abortion. And then when I and others call her on it she starts backing away. She then says: Oh, I’m not really defending abortion.
Which is it? Her conscience is obviously conflicted on abortion.

poppajoe49
Member

It would take a team of psychoanalysts a lifetime to figure out that demented troll.

beanhead54
Guest

slowlivia: “Those who try to force their own religious beliefs on the whole country via federal law are indeed “religious zealots,””

…..aaaannnnndd those who try to force their own religious beliefs on the whole WORLD via SHARIA law are indeed religious zealots.

Does that pustule you call a brain ever make that connection?

I believe that a woman has the Right to do any stupid, murderous thing she wants to do with her own body, but I will not pay for it. No religion involved, just a personal stand which I believe I still have a Constitutional Right to make. I do not believe that radical Islamic terrorists have the Right to endanger myself, my country or the peaceful citizens of the world by holding us hostage with their terrorist tactics. For having those beliefs you simply label myself, and all those who think in a similar manner, as racists and bigots enmass.

Have you no shame what-so-ever for advancing such an obvious double standard?

sa_rose
Member

You have saved your insulting and bigoted comments for anyone more conservative than you. Just because we are not an ethnic or religious group doesn’t make it ok for you to be so bigoted toward us. Furthermore, many of the comments you challenge us for, you do yourself. And we have personal experience in many of our convictions, where you are just using talking points. We may not know you, but we know your posts. And they tell us a great deal. Most of which is negative toward you.

john
Member

Liberals give themselves far too much credit just for being liberal. To many liberals, all one needs to do to be wise, intelligent, compassionate, open minded, and sensitive is to BE LIBERAL. In other words, many of the good things about a person spring not from his actions, but from the ideology he holds. This has an obvious appeal. You can be a diehard misogynist, but plausibly call yourself a feminist, hate blacks, but accuse others of racism, have a subpar IQ and be an intellectual, give nothing to charity and be compassionate, etc., etc., and all you have to do is call yourself a liberal. It’s a shortcut to virtue much like the corrupt old idea of religious indulgences. Why live a life of virtue when you could live a sinful life and buy your way into heaven? If you’re a liberal, why actually live a life of virtue when you can merely call yourself a liberal and get credit for being virtuous, even when you’ve done nothing to earn it?
That from John Hawkins

john
Member

It’s odd that liberals have the image that they do among naive young, minorities and others that seem to think that liberals represent individual freedom, honesty, openess and respect for others. That is as far from truth as it can get. Liberals are and always have been supporters of socialism, large government looking over your shoulder and telling you what to do. And they support islam, the most repressive so called religion on earth. Things like the Black Panthers intimidating voters outside of polling spots, and sieu fat slob thugs beating people up doesn’t seem to bother liberals. Cowards, liars, traitors and hypocrits.

Olivia
Member

It’s odd that liberals have the image that they do among naive young, minorities and others that seem to think that liberals represent individual freedom, honesty, openess and respect for others.
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I’m sorry, John, but, compared to the xenophobia and bigotry many of you far righters display, we liberals are models of the above qualities.

I know you HATE this sort of thing, but many of us are unscrupulous enough to believe that even Muslims deserve to be treated with fairness, and judged on their individual actions rather than smearing ALL with the bad behavior of a lunatic fringe. That IS the American way, is it not?

john
Member

Look you stupid woman, if we were xenophobic we would be saying the same things about Hindus or Buddists or Aboriginal Australians or South American Indians. Your version of “The American Way” would be to open the borders to whoever wants to come, then bow down to thier demands whatever they are, and change our customs to suit what they want. Your an ignorant, naive pea brain.

Sidekick
Member

She is what Lenin used to call a useful idiot.

CO2Insanity
Admin

I don’t even thing she’s useful. Perhaps useless idiot?

poppajoe49
Member

Isn’t idiot pretty generous?

CO2Insanity
Admin

I was trying to be polite? Moron sound better?

Olivia
Member

Look you stupid woman, if we were xenophobic we would be saying the same things about Hindus or Buddists or Aboriginal Australians or South American Indians.
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Not necessarily true. Bigots (that’s a category that includes racists and xenophobes) tend to be selective about the groups they target. And, let’s be honest, none of the above religious/ethnic groups have been demonized by the right wing media of late. If they had, I don’t for one second doubt that you’d be hastening to get with the program, and accusing them of all sorts of dastardly deeds and intents.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “….and accusing them of all sorts of dastardly deeds and intents.

Sorta’ the way you talk out your behind about Repubs on a daily basis?

john
Member

And you can’t understand why there is any attention on mussies? What race are you? That’s the one I want to get rid of.

beanhead54
Guest

john: “What race are you? That’s the one I want to get rid of.”

Don’t know about the rest, but judging by her comments and disposition I’d have to guess she’s at LEAST half horse’s ass.

Olivia
Member

And you can’t understand why there is any attention on mussies? What race are you? That’s the one I want to get rid of.
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No kidding. Most dyed-in-the-wool bigots can’t handle being around anyone who challenges them on their bigotry. That’s because bigotry is cowardly, as well as mean-spirited. You think you sound like a big macho guy, boasting about how much you hate “mussies”…..when the fact is that you’re scared of them. If you weren’t, there’d be no reason for all that hate.

john
Member

Don’t get your smelly shorts all up in a bunch,you think your being virtuous by appeasing murderers? No I’m not affraid of muzzies, I think you are though and you want to be percieved as a friend.

sa_rose
Member

Then you must be TERRIFIED of us. You are by far the most bigoted person on this entire site. Your posts are essentially the same over whatever threads you comment on, and they always are assumptive of a stereotyupes about non liberals. Maybe your substance abuse clients will by that cause their poor brains are fried, but some of us still think for ourselves. And we recognize BS when we see/smell it.

Olivia
Member

Then you must be TERRIFIED of us. You are by far the most bigoted person on this entire site. Your posts are essentially the same over whatever threads you comment on, and they always are assumptive of a stereotyupes about non liberals.
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But you far righters validate those stereotypes every single time you post here, Rose!

Let’s be realistic: when I see a couple of dozen posters saying the same things, reacting with the same opinions, and resorting to the same childish insults (like “bed pan head”? That’s not even mature enough to qualify as a grade school insult) when they can’t refute a challenge…..I’m going to assume they all think alike.

So far I’ve seen only two posters here admit that there are decent Muslims in the world. In both cases, they qualified that observation by stating or implying that some “white” or Americanized Muslims aren’t like “real” Muslims, so they don’t really count.

I’m sorry, but, by anyone’s standards, that’s a disgustingly bigoted comment to make. And THAT’S the cream of the crop. 😛

poppajoe49
Member

I’m going to assume they all think alike.

That’s your problem, you spend too much time assuming and not enough thinking.

sa_rose
Member

But you far righters validate those stereotypes every single time you post here, Rose!
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And in the same breath, you are showing YOUR bigotry. I and several others here have pointed out that we are NOT far right wingers. I agree with the Right that illegal immigration is killing this counrry. I agree that Jihadist Mulims are a threat. I agree that Atheists are misguided at best. But I also support environmental protection, assistance programs for the very poor, the elderly, the very young, and feel that many government regulations are appropriate, since we can’t trust business to do the right thing unless they are forced to, just to name a few. You judge us every second of every day, you clump us into one massive group and justify your bigotry by claimng you are stading up for the underdog. I heard a great comment the other day. “someone who is doing something for someone else’s good, is probably doing more for their own.” I feel you fall in this catgory. You picture yourself as a crusader against evil and bigotry, when in reality your are just as bigoted, racist, and self centered as anyone on this board. You are so busy patting yourself on the back that you must have dislocated your shoulders. Do a little honest introspection. What are your REAL motives, and why do you come to this site, where you KNOW the leaning is more conservative than your beliefs, and then harrass us for our beliefs? It isn’t like you are going to change our mids to your very radical left wing stance, anymore than you are suddenly going to covert us to liberalism. You claim you cannot discuss with us, so why come and comment on nearly every thread in this blog? You are pathetic.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “when the fact is that you’re scared of them. If you weren’t, there’d be no reason for all that hate.”

I hate avacados, but I’m not the least bit scared of them.

Wrong again, bed pan head

Olivia
Member

Slowlivia: “….and accusing them of all sorts of dastardly deeds and intents.

Sorta’ the way you talk out your behind about Repubs on a daily basis?
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No. I don’t agree with Republican ideology, but I don’t go around repeating nonsense about them all being amoral murderers who want to enslave women and children. 😀

poppajoe49
Member

I don’t go around repeating nonsense about them all being amoral murderers who want to enslave women and children.

Well, since they’re not Muslim extremists, you can’t say that. We on the other hand, have volumes of news reports to support our case.

Olivia
Member

I don’t go around repeating nonsense about them all being amoral murderers who want to enslave women and children.

Well, since they’re not Muslim extremists
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Neither are the vast majority of Muslims, Poopajoe.
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We on the other hand, have volumes of news reports to support our case.
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You mean you have a handful of pet right wing media anecdotes, many of dubious origin, that are repeated 1,000 times a day to keep you perpetually scared and angry.

poppajoe49
Member

No, I mean ABC, NBC, CBS MSNBC, CNN, Reuters, and every other major news organization that has been reporting on the atrocities of Muslim violence here and in the middle east.
But then, I forgot, you convieniently don’t have a TV, so you are blissfully unaware of anything that you can’t get off of your direct internet feed from Al-Jazeera.
How do you find a bank that will cash those paychecks anyway, or do they have direct deposit?

drb
Member

turdz

beanhead54
Guest

Ayatolla Slowlivia: “…you have a handful of pet right wing media anecdotes, many of dubious origin,”

So 9/11, Afghanistan, the tube bombings in England on 7/7, Ft. Hood 1 and 2, Ft. Dix, the Allah cartoon fatwa, Theo van Gogh, the Madrid train bombings, 2 African embassy bombings, the USS Cole attack, the German nightclub bombing, the Bali bombing, the Kobe Tower bombing, the shoe bomber and the bombing of our Marine barracks in Lebanon are all reduced to just a “handful” of “anecdotes of dubious origin.”

Slowlivia, you not only have a big, uneducated mouth, you have big hands as well.

sa_rose
Member

Don’t for get the USS COle and the recent fatwa on David Letterman for making some unapproved gesture while telling a joke about Osama Bin Ladin.

Olivia
Member

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Ayatolla Slowlivia: “…you have a handful of pet right wing media anecdotes, many of dubious origin,”

So 9/11, Afghanistan, the tube bombings in England on 7/7, Ft. Hood 1 and 2, Ft. Dix, the Allah cartoon fatwa,
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You mean the Mohammed cartoon fatwa, right? The one proclaimed by an EXTREMIST cleric? (Do you understand the meaning of the term “extremist”?) The one that a bunch of you wackos thought it was so clever to ridicule on this website? In view of the disdain shown here (and the fact that a truly stupid cartoon was posted here and laughed at) doesn’t sound as if anyone felt very threatened by it.
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Theo van Gogh, the Madrid train bombings, 2 African embassy bombings, the USS Cole attack, the German nightclub bombing, the Bali bombing, the Kobe Tower bombing
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You mean Khobar Towers bombing, right?
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the shoe bomber and the bombing of our Marine barracks in Lebanon are all reduced to just a “handful” of “anecdotes of dubious origin.”
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No, they’re not. Many of those (as opposed to your lame examples posted last night) are very significant terrorist attacks, attributed to militant extremist political groups of Muslim origin.

Now, suppose you explain why you’re convinced that all or most Muslims worldwide condone those attacks. And try to come up with something a little more plausible than, “Well, I don’t see any mention of Muslims condemning those attacks on the rabidly anti-Muslim blogs I go to for all my political information and talking points.”

(P.S. I’m not an ayatollah, and your effort to depict me as one is just further evidence of your own totally illogical fear and hatred of anything Muslim. Not exactly the most effective way of winning debate points.) 😉

beanhead54
Guest

Ayatolla Slowlivia: “…you have a handful of pet right wing media anecdotes, many of dubious origin,”

Ayatolla Slowlivia 2.0: “Many of those (as opposed to your lame examples posted last night) are very significant terrorist attacks, attributed to militant extremist political groups of Muslim origin”

Backpedalling a little are we, Slow? All of a sudden we have “significant” attacks, huh? Pretty much figured you put your foot in the ol’ mouth so throw a bunch of “blah, blah, blah” to make it all better.

Not.

Back on the stubby bus, Slowlivia. Milk and cookies at the group home later.

BTW, it’s no debate w/ you. Just pokin’ the little yapping dog for fun.

sa_rose
Member

Many of those , , , are very significant terrorist attacks, attributed to militant extremist political groups of Muslim origin.

******************************************And once again, have we not repeatedly stated it is this faction with whom we have an issue? The extremists, the terrorits? That is certainly the group I feel is a threat.

sa_rose
Member

Really? No, you just tell them they are immoral because they believe such murders are wrong, that they do not believ in abortion for birth control, and dumb as a bag of hammers.

Olivia
Member

Ayatolla Slowlivia: “…you have a handful of pet right wing media anecdotes, many of dubious origin,”

Ayatolla Slowlivia 2.0: “Many of those (as opposed to your lame examples posted last night) are very significant terrorist attacks, attributed to militant extremist political groups of Muslim origin”

Backpedalling a little are we, Slow? All of a sudden we have “significant” attacks, huh? Pretty much figured you put your foot in the ol’ mouth so throw a bunch of “blah, blah, blah” to make it all better.
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It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand my reaction, Beanface. The first examples you gave were small attacks, the original reports of which said nothing about the religion or specific motivator of the attackers.

When I dismissed them as a rather lame attempt to demonize all Muslims, you then trotted out examples of BIG terrorist attacks….all over the world, during the past 10 years.

I was honest enough to agree that those were bona fide major terrorist attacks. But you’ve still failed to produce evidence that they were sanctioned or encouraged by all or most of the billon and a half Muslims throughout the world.

That, my boy, is the point here. Unless you can produce such evidence, you’re merely doing what bigots do best: latching on to some egregious incidents, and trying to pretend that such actions are typical of Muslims worldwide.

Interesting how you keep trying to avoid that point, no matter how often I remind you of it. 😉

poppajoe49
Member

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand my reaction, Beanface.

No, it takes a lobotomy.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “But you’ve still failed to produce evidence that they were sanctioned or encouraged by all or most of the billon and a half Muslims throughout the world.”

So… I guess the footage of Muslims dancing in the streets after major attacks on our interests was really just a Muslim “flash mob” massing for a pillow fight?
Sure, there are moderates who have spoken out against terrorists, but your blind ignorance as to the magnitude of the problems we face in dealing with radical factions is really quite stunning.

Let me rephrase that…. Par for the course.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “But you’ve still failed to produce evidence that they were sanctioned or encouraged by all or most of the billon and a half Muslims throughout the world.”

So… I guess the footage of Muslims dancing in the streets after major attacks on our interests was really just a Muslim “flash mob” massing for a pillow fight?

Pssssstt…. Hey Slow, here’s another one you ran away from….

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Third.

poppajoe49
Member

Bigots tend to be selective about the groups they target.

While you, are an idiot no matter what the subject.

Olivia
Member

Slowlivia: “But you’ve still failed to produce evidence that they were sanctioned or encouraged by all or most of the billon and a half Muslims throughout the world.”

So… I guess the footage of Muslims dancing in the streets after major attacks on our interests was really just a Muslim “flash mob” massing for a pillow fight?
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I guess I never saw footage of a billion Muslims, either dancing or doing anything else, Poopajoe.

WHy not come clean, and admit that you saw some (carefully selected) footage of gleeful Muslims, and ASSUMED that their reaction was representative of the other 1,499,999,950 Muslims throughout the world?

Wouldn’t be the first time the right wing media had used carefully selected footage to manipulate viewers’ reactions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfD_oq7N5X4
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/glenn-beck-rally-sparks-debate.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K2pLo8JV5Y&feature=related

sa_rose
Member

See my post way above. CNN psoted these same tapes. Were they doctored? Or are you simply too blighted to believe what you see with your own eyes, from multi0le sites?

poppajoe49
Member

Wouldn’t be the first time the right wing media had used carefully selected footage to manipulate viewers’ reactions.

So now you’re an expert video analyst? You know these were faked videos? You are just a f*&^in azzhole.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “Wouldn’t be the first time the right wing media had used carefully selected footage to manipulate viewers’ reactions.”

Yeah, and it has been proven beyond any doubt that Michael Moore doctored the footage in F9/11 to death, yet the Hollyweird elite gave it an award as a documentary. He sat beside Jimmy at the Dem’s national convention, which pretty much says it all about who uses “carefully edited footage” to their advantage.

Burnerjack
Member

Sidekick, thank you for the link. The enemy of deceit is truth. The enemy of ignorance is education. The whole world is slowly beginning to understand the true objective of Islam. For those who believe in scripture, some could argue that Islam is the “Pale rider” of the Apocalypse. One must understand the term “Taqiyya” when trying to understand Muslims. This is the Quran promoted systematic lying to “advance Islam by any means necessary”.
My question to all of you reading this:” Would the True God demand that you lie and deceive? If God would not, who would?” Answer that question for yourselves.

Sidekick
Member

You’re welcome. I appreciate your POV. IMO, the US is faced with a separate but aligned threat. Neo-Marxism and radical Islam seem to be temporarily aligned – the Ground Zero mosque being an example. I have no idea how it will end but the first step is acknowledge it. Some people are are finally calling the president a Marxist. Better late than never. As you said people are waking up to the Islamic threat too. From there, we will have to get passed the PC nonsense and take these threats seriously before we wind up like Britain.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

‘Taqqiya’ is the blatant form of lying permitted for general purpose to aid the mussy in maintaining a respectable appearance. There is another form of deception with its own word that is more con or scam, usually a wide scope of things used to make a convincing story. The magic word for that is ‘kitman’.

When I lived next door to Mr. Hamid, he told me he and his wife were from Guyana. His accent told a different story, as did his very much middle eastern appearance. After an incident where my actions helped him a good lot, he seemed to speak more freely with me. At this same time I was really getting into my study of islam. I asked him how to spell ‘takiya’ and what it really meant. The involuntary facial gestures went crazy and his general demeanor became totally defensive. He basically blubbed a bunch of contradictions and excused himself. Mr. Hamid is actually from Pakistan, his wife admitted to my daughter in-law after we moved out of that neighborhood. They remain friends and the Hamid family have been invited to several little get togethers for kids birthdays and stuff. Mrs. Hamid nearly always accepts the invites but they have never attended any of the events, not one.

Olivia
Member

When I lived next door to Mr. Hamid, he told me he and his wife were from Guyana. His accent told a different story, as did his very much middle eastern appearance.
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After an incident where my actions helped him a good lot, he seemed to speak more freely with me. At this same time I was really getting into my study of islam. I asked him how to spell ‘takiya’ and what it really meant. The involuntary facial gestures went crazy and his general demeanor became totally defensive. He basically blubbed a bunch of contradictions and excused himself.
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Translation: “He didn’t give the answer I wanted and expected from him (from my “study of Islam” on World Nut Daily), so I’m assuming he was lying his head off.”

Personal favors aside, the fact that you go around referring to Mr. Hamid as a “mussy” (the 21st century version of calling a black person a ni**er) and assuming from the outset that he’s a liar might have something to do with his defensiveness, don’t you think?

(You remind me of circa 1950 white racists who assured each other that all “n***ers” steal, because the leader of your Saturday night “political” meetings said so.)

One more thing: in all your “study of Islam,” did you never come across the fact that not all (or even most) Muslims are from the Middle East?

Current reports from various sources have estimated that 1.2 to 1.57 billion Muslims populate the world, or about 23% of an estimated 2009 world population of 6.8 billion[1][2] with around 62% in Asia-Pacific, 20% in the Middle East and North Africa, 15% in Sub-Saharan Africa and around 2% in Europe & Americas.[3][4][5][6]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world

Sidekick
Member

You are really off the meds today, Olivia.  I just read three of your recent posts and I swear to God, I think you are a paranoid schizophrenic.  You are not even pretending to follow this thread.  There is nothing beautiful about your mind, though.

Definition
By Mayo Clinic staff
Paranoid schizophrenia is one of several types of schizophrenia, a chronic mental illness in which a person loses touch with reality (psychosis). The classic features of paranoid schizophrenia are having delusions and hearing things that aren’t real.

With paranoid schizophrenia, your ability to think and function in daily life may be better than with other types of schizophrenia. You may not have as many problems with memory, concentration or dulled emotions. Still, paranoid schizophrenia is a serious, lifelong condition that can lead to many complications, including suicidal behavior.

With effective treatment, you can manage the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia and work toward leading a happier, healthier life.

Olivia
Member

You are really off the meds today, Olivia. I just read three of your recent posts and I swear to God, I think you are a paranoid schizophrenic.
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Translation: “Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! If you can’t scare her away by accusing her of bowel incontinence, how about if we accuse her of being MENTALLY ILL!!!! That ought to make her too embarrassed to comment on our trashy and bigoted remarks, don’tcha think?”

Sorry, Kick. If I were truly paranoid schizophrenic, I wouldn’t be laughing at all those there’s-an-evil-Muslim-hiding-under-your-bed-and-he’s-gonna-chop-off-your-head fantasies that you righties get into such a tizzy about. Better try to google up a better childish insult than that one, because it fits YOU better than it does me. 😉

poppajoe49
Member

They must have a severe lithium shortage in Illinois due to the production of batteries for the Prius.

beanhead54
Guest

Olithium: “That ought to make her too embarrassed to comment on our trashy and bigoted remarks, don’tcha think?”

Nah, what makes you too embarrassed to comment is when you’re caught dead wrong and avoid the thread like the plague. If you can’t figure-out a way to add bigot or racist to your answer, the thread is dead to you. The rest of the trash talk from everyone is like poking a mean little dog with a stick, just to make it bark.

Don’t worry, if we get bitten we wouldn’t DREAM of asking you for medical advice. Everybody has already learned in the “Che” thread that you don’t know jack about treating dog bites.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot…. I got the 3!!!!

Olivia
Member

Nah, what makes you too embarrassed to comment is when you’re caught dead wrong and avoid the thread like the plague. If you can’t figure-out a way to add bigot or racist to your answer, the thread is dead to you.
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But, Beanface, bigotry and racism is ALL YOU’VE GOT when the talk turns to Muslims, Arabs, Mexican immigrants or inner city black Americans. We’ve seen it all over this thread! And that’s because far right wing ideology almost always encourages its followers to think in terms of stereotypes and glittering generalities.

Sorry. If you don’t want to be accused of bigotry, there’s a simple solution: stop repeating bigoted sentiments.

poppajoe49
Member

bigotry and racism is ALL YOU’VE GOT

Actually, it’s all you know how to say, and you don’t even have that as a point, because you throw it around like it’s just so much fertilizer, and everyone knows that you use it when nothing else in your arsenal of BS will stick to the wall.

Sidekick
Member

She throws those accusations around but she can not support them with simple cut and paste jobs (with the time stamp). Deluded. The only bigot on this board is Olivia but she is not sufficiently self aware to understand that her unsubstantiated displays of prejudice toward conservatives are what define her to me and I suspect other posters here. We are not talking about political or ideological disagreement, rather we are talking about blind irrational bigotry made worse by a steadfast refusal to acknowledge what is actually said here. Mentally ill, IMO.

drb
Member

She sees what she wants to see, nothing more, nothing less, always has, always will.

sa_rose
Member

You stereotype anyone who does not identify themselves as liberal. And I suspect some who ARE liberals are not liberal enough to suit you, so they get thrown under the bus as well. You make assumptions about our sources, our educational level, our ability to read and write the English language, hell you probably have something to stereotype and complain about in every single aspect of our lives. So perhaps you should take your own advice, and stop repeating YOUR bigoted answers.

poppajoe49
Member

WIN!!!

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “Sorry. If you don’t want to be accused of bigotry, there’s a simple solution: stop repeating bigoted sentiments.”

Well, I see that, while she ignored the heart of the argument, she managed to work BOTH bigot and racist into her usual circular pattern which leads nowhere but down the toilet.

She refuses to acknowledge the fact that it was MO who worked against the poor in Chicago, refuses to refute the fact that she was wrong about the treatment of facial lacerations and totally ignores the fact that I spent over a decade working in support of law enforcement “up-close and personal” in ghettos across the country.

This child is laughably ignorant of reality as she continues to throw pebbles of unsubstantiated rehetoric against a solid wall of factual information supplied by many on this Board, in a woefully uneducated and misguided attempt to bring the facts of the matter down.

I’d almost feel sorry for (or at least pity) this cretin if she didn’t use such disreputable tactics and show such a glaring lack of ethics in using nothing other than race-baiting and smear to make herself seem the least bit credible in any situation. At this point she is nothing more than a textbook example of Liberal angst gone wild.

Olivia
Member

She refuses to acknowledge the fact that it was MO who worked against the poor in Chicago, refuses to refute the fact that she was wrong about the treatment of facial lacerations and totally ignores the fact that I spent over a decade working in support of law enforcement “up-close and personal” in ghettos across the country.
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As I’ve pointed out to you numerous times, Mr. Ignorant, Michelle Obama is not a physician, and has no clinical experience, in or out of the U of C emergency department. Therefore, she would have had absolutely no say in the decision to discharge the patient in question. Wouldn’t even have been aware of the incident until questions of EMTALA violation came up afterward.

And you know what? Calling me a “child,” “woefully uneducated,” “misguided,” “laughably ignorant,” a “cretin,” and “disreputable,” or any other insult you can manage to dream up, isn’t going to change that key FACT.

But I’m rather amused at your argument that you worked “in support of law enforcement “up-close and personal” in ghettos across the country.” That, my boy, has no bearing on the alleged EMTALA violation in question, clinically or otherwise. None whatsoever.

If you’re determined to pursue this further, I’d suggest you start hunting for solid evidence (read: no “I’d be willing to bet” speculation from rabid Obamaphobes with screen names like “Obamastinks” or “Nocommunityorganizer”) that Michelle Obama was called by the ER physician and asked for her input on this case, and instructed him that he MUST refuse to suture the patient’s lacerations, and send him and his mother off to another hospital.
Otherwise, you’re just parroting fairy stories.

Best get digging. 😉

Or you could get honest, and admit that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

poppajoe49
Member

Calling me a “child,” “woefully uneducated,” “misguided,” “laughably ignorant,” a “cretin,” and “disreputable,” or any other insult you can manage to dream up, isn’t going to change that key FACT.

The fact that you have seriously underestimated Olivia’s stupidity.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “Or you could get honest, and admit that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.”

As usual, a laughably inept reply. Even the hospital’s own staff knew they were not giving patients the care that they deserved. No mention of the fact that the audit shows that UCMC contributed less than half of what the other hospitals did during the same period of time. MO was in charge of neighborhood outreach. That outreach was not done. A Congressman and civic groups went to great lengths to negotiate with the hospital, to no avail. The hospital closed clinics and downsized their emergency department to suit their own needs.

I worked in the ghetto for over a decade beside police, emergency services and social services personnel. The politics are the same in city after city, and no candystriper the likes of you can degrade what I’ve learned in that time.

Go ahead and hide behind whatever makes you feel better about trashing the poor in the neighborhood for your sainted MO you political trollop, the evidence given proves you are as wrong about this matter as you were about the treatment of that kid’s facial wound.

sa_rose
Member

Bean, she claims to be a nurse-if that is true, she knows most decisions in hospitals are not, in fact, medical decisions, but business ones. Usually made by some moron in the administration wing with no clue about patients or their care, or the environment in which their staff works. Bean counters, counting pennies, regardless of the effect on healthcare.

beanhead54
Guest

s_r: “most decisions in hospitals are not, in fact, medical decisions, but business ones.”

Pick any prize off the top shelf, s_r. Good answer.

If Slowlivia is a nurse, she is the “bedpan” variety, with no working knowledge of either the physical plant nor the physician/administration interface. Doctors have long complained of how their healthcare decisions were held hostage by an insurance company’s administrative flowcharts. If Slowlivia missed that little tidbit o’ news, it only adds to the gathering evidence that she is a wanna’ be, never was or totally clueless nurse.

Make no mistake, what UCMC was doing was not medically wrong in providing bare minimum healthcare. An investigation of that aspect of the operation would, at most, raise a few eyebrows. The problem is when the hospital takes over 50 million in taxpayer dollars and only dribbles out 10 to the surrounding community. If MO’s “outreach” was going so gosh darn well, why was it necessary to hire Axelrod’s PR firm to sell it to the community and yet the community was still in an uproar?

If MO’s motivation were actually effective and efficient community healthcare, much more could have, and should have been done with those taxpayer dollars the hospital was given. It’s obvious to me that the community got minimal care, and the taxpaxer was given a cold sponge bath as well.

If Slowlivia lacks the mental capacity to see the signs and symptoms of such an obvious rip-off of both the patient and the taxpayer, I’d be hard-pressed to allow her the critical thinking and responsibility to monitor the much more nuanced signs and symptoms of a patient in a hospita setting.

sa_rose
Member

I think sending a child home with antibiotics for a pit bull bite to the face may just qualify as illegal. All hospital s who receive federal funds have been required to provide at least emergency assistance for decades, first through the Brady law (i think)and later through EMTLA. When the child was seen in the next hospital, they took him imediately for facial reconstruction surgery-the sort of surgery that is better done sooner than later. And the Administration (read MO) dreamed up this scheme without consulting ther ER physicians, who likened it to changing the process in surgery without checking with the surgeons. THEY knew it was not approptiate medical care, as nearly anyone with a brain would have seen. Maybe this was all part of Obama’s community organizing.

beanhead54
Guest

s_r: “I think sending a child home with antibiotics for a pit bull bite to the face may just qualify as illegal.”

Not in this case, s_a. Even the head of plastic surgery at Strojer said in a written statement that UCMC’s care was “acceptable” which is probably how UCMC dodged the investigative bullet. There are broad spectrum standard and synthetic antibiotics that will kill all but the meanest “super bugs” at 20 paces. The only medical issue would have been the scar associated with secondary closure or granualization. Who cares if a poor kid has a scar on his face? Certainly not UCMC or MO! Heck, they were down to their last 40 million!

The argument that there was no investigation and that MO had no knowledge of protocols in use is (as usual) laughable, but I’m quite sure Slow will stick to her story until they pry that keyboard from her cold, dead fingers.

Just as a thought, I’m wondering what Slow thinks they paid MO $300,000 a year for… handing out cookies to neighborhood kids after they got shots?

Sidekick
Member

No, you are just afraid of the right wing media – like that is a force compared to the size of the MSM – you act as if racists are hiding behind every tree. Sorry, Olivia, I and several other posters have kicked your ass all over several threads. You don’t respond with anything resembling a cogent answer. You are mentally ill, IMO. I could care less if you agree or not. You don’t believe or even consider anything that threatens your worldview construct anyway.

drb
Member

4ths…Fweetness was here before me.

poppajoe49
Member

Olivia, you really are trying hard to earn that paycheck from Al-Jazeera, aren’t you?

Sidekick
Member

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

I came across this (new to me) site via iowntheworld.com. The info is sourced and pretty chilling.

poppajoe49
Member

And we know who will never read it,

Maaz
Guest

The Funny Thing is that this websites hates the Media yet its acting like them manipulating stories to get readers.She Murdered, That’s why shes been beheaded.Why Beheaded? cuz its painless fitting the Islamic way of execution.The American way electrocution .So that the person feel his soul being ripped apart from his body. Amnesty international should also speak against electricution, Shouldn’t It?
If u don’t have Anything nice to say don’t say it at all.

john
Member

She would never have been executed in this country for what she did, sounds like self defense against a typical abusive muzzy man. And how about having your head sawed off by your terrorist muzzy friends, you think that hurts dumbass?

RockingHorseGuy
Member

You’ve already been answered on another thread. Come up with something new, don’t just keep posting the same drivel on multiple threads. Better yet, just go away. We have all the Olivias we’ll ever need.

Olivia
Member

The Funny Thing is that this websites hates the Media yet its acting like them manipulating stories to get readers.
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They only hate the media that tells them things they don’t want to hear. Media with a far right wing slant? You’ll never hear them utter a disrespectful word against it. 😉

Sidekick
Member

“They only hate the media that tells them things they don’t want to hear. Media with a far right wing slant? You’ll never hear them utter a disrespectful word against it. ;)”

Says the poster who lies, exaggerates, globalizes, and distorts what others say here. Not unlike what the MSM does everyday. Was it not just the other day that MSNBC selectively edited something Rick Perry said to make him appear racist? It apologized as soon as they were called on it. BTW, no-one likes to hear what they don’t want to hear (you most of all) but grown-ups will listen and accept bad news if it is the truth. Trouble is MS news is no longer remotely impartial. The big city papers and the three major networks etc are selling a liberal narrative and they often lie or lie by omission to make that narrative work. The above example is proof of that. Another was the story that Tea Partiers were hurling racist invectives at members of Congress during the march to the Obamacare signing ceremony, Breibart offered $100, 000 to anyone who could prove it. No one did because it did not happen. That did not deter the MSM from running with that story and every left wing hack tried to make hay with it. Duke Lacrosse. Most GOP presidential candidates are far right wing hyper christian homophobes. The list is endless.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “They only hate the media that tells them things they don’t want to hear. Media with a far right wing slant? You’ll never hear them utter a disrespectful word against it.”

Far Right Wing Slant? Let’s have an example, Obi Won Slowlivia…

Sidekick
Member

She’ll cite an opinion show, piece, or site.

sa_rose
Member

Or ignore the question all together and accuse you of childish insults.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

I find ignoring her words completely, with the single exception of the thumb option they provide, and slinging insults about her to be most gratifying. But of course, I’m a far right winger just like the rest of us and have no opinion of my own.

I know that if one day she actually says something less than completely insane and follows up with some sort of actual dialog rather than her blatant progressive liberal communist spew, the several of you that engage the troll would let it be known here. Perhaps one day she’ll finally climb out of that Utopian cesspool of unicorn waste in her head and the world will be a better place. Yeah, sure. Like that’s gonna happen!

drb
Member

Perhaps one day she’ll finally climb out of that Utopian cesspool of unicorn waste in her head and the world will be a better place. Yeah, sure. Like that’s gonna happen!

Oh, dear me! You are more like me than I knew! We both dream BIG. I am not alone after all.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

By unicorn waste, I assume you mean sawdust?

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Well gee, RHG, I never really considered what the makeup of unicorn waste actually is! Considering the likelihood of it being sawdust brings me to a question you’re likely the best suited to answer; are unicorns really as big as that one of yours? I saw pictures and wow! That thing is humongo!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Well, to be honest, he IS the world’s biggest rocking unicorn. So I guess most of them wouldn’t be quite that big. He doesn’t know it yet, but he’ll be knocked off that throne soon though. I’m working on another one that will be about 6″ taller.

poppajoe49
Member

As Aerosmith once sang “Dream On”.

sa_rose
Member

When pigs fly, maybe. Or hell freezes over.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Rose, I just heard a report of black ice on the roads in Inglewood, CA.

poppajoe49
Member

Global Warming?

Olivia
Member

Slowlivia: “They only hate the media that tells them things they don’t want to hear. Media with a far right wing slant? You’ll never hear them utter a disrespectful word against it.”

Far Right Wing Slant? Let’s have an example, Obi Won Slowlivia…
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For starters, the fact that you keep trying to generalize about ALL Muslims, based on what an extremist fringe group believe and do.

I’ve challenged you many times to produce evidence to back up this generalization, and you’ve yet to do it.

Of course, that’s because you buy into slanted Islamophobic nonsense like the blurb at the top of this forum—-which is nothing more than somebody’s unsubstantiated opinion. Yet you believe it with all your heart and soul, not because you have a scrap of evidence to back it up, but because you so badly WANT to believe in your own superiority. And that insecurity, I’ve found, is an underlying trait of most bigots.

Odd that you keep repeating that same challenge to me; I keep answering it, and you don’t respond. The next day, there you are elsewhere on this forum, demanding the same thing all over again, only to ignore it when I respond again.

For that reason. I’m going to leave you guys to play “Who’s The Biggest Bigot?” all by yourselves. There, you see? I’m doing you a favor. Now you can parrot all the bigotry you want, and congratulate each other’s ability to use juvenile name calling as a debate tactic, and convince yourself that you’re looking clever and well-informed.

That, after all, is your whole purpose for congregating here, right? 😉

Sidekick
Member

You are insane! Literally arguing with your OWN points.

poppajoe49
Member
poppajoe49
Member

Olivia, does that mean you are leaving us?

To quote “W”………….

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Is shrew threatening to take her balls and go home again? Al-jizbagiya must have stopped the payments.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “For that reason. I’m going to leave you guys to play “Who’s The Biggest Bigot?” all by yourselves.”

Well, there you have it folks! Slowlivia is running away from home because she cannot answer simple questions with verifiable answers. Who will win the prize of getting the last 3rd on this poser?

Good bye and good luck to the patients who draw you as their nurse (?) in the hospital lottery. Hopefully not too many will suffer further injury or pain before your employer shows you the door for the last time as well. You have proven nothing here, other than the fact that Liberal obstinance is alive, well and forever living in easily turned and manipulated heads such as yours.

I can’t believe I actually got the third after posting! Can’t tell you how good it feels to close-out the last post of such an insensitive, uncaring, uneducated Liberal hack.

drb
Member

Is she taking Fweetness, Precious, and Sweethips with her?

beanhead54
Guest

drb: “Is she taking Fweetness, Precious, and Sweethips with her?”

Not a chance! I also bet I can name a few people who are going to be getting a LOT more TD’s without follow-up comments as well!
Wanna’ bet if you n’ me are on that list?

drb
Member

Wanna’ bet if you n’ me are on that list?

I’m sure you n’ me are at the top of the list!

sa_rose
Member

There may be more thumbs down, but they won’t be from O. She could never sit and read without commenting. Her entire post proves her own bigotry. ALL of us have repeatedly stated that we are not concerned with the larger Muslim population, only the extremists (the murderers, the ones that want to take over her precious France and place iit under Sharia law, and who want to do that world wide.) And what she calls nonsense (the above video/article of beheading and then desecrating the body) I call appalling on the order o the Nazi death camps. Don’t worry. I am sure I will be on the list as well. SUPER! I would be honored to be on a list from her, if it means I think she’s nuts.

poppajoe49
Member

Wanna’ bet if you n’ me are on that list?

Hey! What about Kick, Dean, and me?

beanhead54
Guest

pj49: “Hey! What about Kick, Dean, and me?”

Oh, without doubt there is a gang of six or eight for whom she has a deep-seated hatred, with another half-dozen who she dislikes intensely. Where her inflated ego came up with the 20-25 “hard Right-wingers” with whom she did battle on a “regular basis” is some psychiatrist’s guess, not mine.

My best layman’s guess is that she’s a wanna’ be Julianna Margulies, the beautiful, intense and slightly suicidal heroine of every emergency situation. While at work she sees herself from above and behind, thinking “do I look cool” to everyone around her. Read through some of her posts where she talks about herself at work and see if you don’t get the same impression. I see her sitting at home with a host of cats, watching endless reruns of “ER.”

Slowlivia is the texbook Liberal who thinks in the artist’s concept of social engineering, rather than the science of foundations in fact. Reality is a tough pill for people like her, and one which she obviously refuses to swallow.

drb
Member

Wanna’ bet if you n’ me are on that list?

Hey! What about Kick, Dean, and me?

Y’all are on the list twice. 😉

beanhead54
Guest

Maaz: “Why Beheaded? cuz its painless fitting the Islamic way of execution.”

Ummmm… you might want to read the reports that say she was a repeatedly battered servant. That’s justifiable homicide or self defense…. except in an Islamic State. You might also wish to make yourself a little smarter about little things called “Honor Killings, which is all the rage in Islam.

You want to promote AI as the answer, you might want to send them to the places in the Middle East and Africa where women are treated as property, or where 2d children and girls are put to death at birth. I have no problem with beheading for a CRIME if that is the fitting punishment, but you might want to go and tell Nick Berg’s parents and friends what crime he committed when his head was taken from him in Iraq. You might want to go tell the children of the woman who is stoned to death for the CRIME of falling in love with another man. Don’t be a coward… go tell them to their face.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

There is the requisite pre-execution raping and beating that goes on during the time spent waiting for the quick decap. They also frequently have a flogging for the offense before execution that results in many of the weaker victims death.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

To amend my comment above, many of the decaps aren’t the quick swoosh of a sword. Lots of the really nut jobs mussies like to use a knife and hack the head off kinda slow, as you can watch in many of the videos available. The one with the young kid doing it, man, that one is just horrific. He uses a knife about the size of a K-Bar and really makes a mess of it. Some of the more experienced fellows cut through the first half then hold the head back a bit to let the blood drain out of the head before continuing the process.

Another particularly disturbing aspect of the raping of virgins prior to execution to ensure they are guilty of adultery (by being raped!) is the different methods as they pertain to what sex the convict is. Females usually get used and beaten by as many fine mussies they can round up, in order to conduct the will of allah to the fullest extent. Males are supposed to be raped with at least one witness who will verify that the convict does not show signs of enjoying it. When I read that part I had to laugh! So, while the brave mussy is butt raping the virgin male, if the convict gets an erection they will not continue to rape him, since he is digging too much.

When you want to read this for yourself, it is from the writings of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in one of his books on the noble islam. He cites the passages of koran, sura and hadith that make these instructions quite clear.

john
Member

I’ve seen that video with the 12 year old psycho cutting the head off, he doesn’t seem disturbed at all about what he was doing, and his elders giving helpful suggestions to him as the guy is gurggling. Ah yes, the religion of Peace. Come on you stupid woman olivia, what do you think of such things?

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Yep, that vid is mighty revealing. They’re all whooping it up and having a great time! It’s like a giant festive barbecue party except for the dude who winds up with his detached head resting on his torso. The kid has quite a bit of trouble getting through the last of it and gets help from some of the other brave mussies. Then when he holds the head up to show how proud he is you can tell he’s having some difficulty hefting the melon for the photographers.

john
Member

Huh, I wonder who gave us the thumbs down for describing a true life incident proudly filmed by the scum bag muzzies performing in it?

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Sure, like we don’t know that it is our resident dildocrat progressive liberal communist troll. She’s probably into the whole rape-em-n-beat-em-before-cutting-off-their-heads mussy thing. She’s actually very idiotic, but dependable. She probably wears depends for the pleasure she gets sitting in her own feces. A wonder that flatliners like her can breath and key simultaneously. We can’t actually be sure she does that though. She might stop breathing while keying and the holds down the asterisk key while gasping for air.

Olivia
Member

Sure, like we don’t know that it is our resident dildocrat progressive liberal communist troll. She’s probably into the whole rape-em-n-beat-em-before-cutting-off-their-heads mussy thing. She’s actually very idiotic, but dependable. She probably wears depends for the pleasure she gets sitting in her own feces. A wonder that flatliners like her can breath and key simultaneously. We can’t actually be sure she does that though. She might stop breathing while keying and the holds down the asterisk key while gasping for air.
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Translation: “I hate the way she (correctly) points out that I’m behaving like ignorant trash, so I’m going to fling some more childish accusations at her. Hey, I’ve got an idea—-I’ll make up a joke about POOPIES! That’ll make me sound witty and well-informed, won’t it?”

Keep it up, ex-Dean. You remind me of the coyote in those road runner cartoons, who ends up smashing himself on the head every time he tries to get the better of the road runner. 😉

poppajoe49
Member

the coyote in those road runner cartoons

Good analogy, too bad you got the participants backwards.

poppajoe49
Member

John, Olivia is waiting for Al-Jazeera to tell her how to respond to this thread. Until then, she will remain silent about it.

sa_rose
Member

Didn’t we already have this conversation? Was she even given a trial? As a woman from another country, did she ever have a chance? Was the murder self defense? Give it up Mazz. Beheading is no more humane than electrocution, and most states don’t use the electric chair anymore anyway.
Now lethal injection is used-put the prisoner to sleep, then adminsiter the drugs to stop his heart. He never even knows what is happening. Better, in most cases, that the murderer’s vict0im had it.

CO2Insanity
Admin

Based on this I finally figured out where I’ve seen Oblivia before. She was one of the OJ Simpson murder trial jurors.

Olivia
Member

Based on this I finally figured out where I’ve seen Oblivia before. She was one of the OJ Simpson murder trial jurors.
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If I had been, I would have been bound (as the actual jurors were) to consider only the evidence presented to me, rather than relying on wishful thinking or prejudice.

Do you think that’s a sign of a good justice system, or a bad one?

CO2Insanity
Admin

I think it’s a sign that you’re a moron like the rest of the jurors.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “If I had been, I would have been bound (as the actual jurors were) to consider only the evidence presented to me, rather than relying on wishful thinking or prejudice.”

You’re right, you would have had to use the evidence and common sense in deliberations. There was a ton of factual, credible evidence which clearly pointed to nobody other than OJ. Your severe lack of common sense in evidence on this Board tells us all, with very little doubt, that you too would have been gulible enough to let the rhetoric of a race baiter convince you to allow a murderer walk free.

Olivia
Member

Slowlivia: “If I had been, I would have been bound (as the actual jurors were) to consider only the evidence presented to me, rather than relying on wishful thinking or prejudice.”

You’re right, you would have had to use the evidence and common sense in deliberations. There was a ton of factual, credible evidence which clearly pointed to nobody other than OJ.
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“Common sense,” my boy, is one of those vague, feel-good right wing cliches that all too often means, “following your preconceived notions, instead of considering evidence and following the judge’s instructions.”

No matter how strongly you feel that O.J. was guilty, his hugely expensive “dream team” was able to cast reasonable doubt on every bit of evidence produced by the prosecution. And that, not some perceived lack of “common sense” among the jurors, is what won the case for him.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: ““Common sense,” my boy,”

First off, I’m not your boy. I’ve got more time hangin’ in a rescue hoist than you have hangin’ in a nurse’s station. I’ve got more time riding right seat in a patrol car in ghettos from Garden Grove To Miami-Dade to Baltimore than you’ve got riding a stool and filling out TPRs in that old folks home of yours. I’ve got more time picking up body parts, putting them into a bag and trying to make sense of what happened, than you’ve got picking up diapers from your charges. Keep that in mind, candystriper. You are a rube, a boob, a babe in the woods as far as I’m concerned, and a fart in your general direction is all your opinions are worth or have ever earned.

Second, “his hugely expensive “dream team” was able to cast reasonable doubt on every bit of evidence.” His team cast and parlayed “reasonable doubt” of racial prejudice, and nothing more. You, of all people, are constantly whining about “the rich” and here you have an injustice perpetrated by a very rich man against a young man and woman who did not deserve to die in such a horrible manner, yet since it’s not in your selfish interest, it’s just too bad for them. You’re a sick pup.

Common sense? You have none, and it’s obvious from your childish rantings. BTW, to you ever intend to answer for your foolish remarks about both MO and dog bites, or will you run away again because you got nothing?

Olivia
Member

First off, I’m not your boy. I’ve got more time hangin’ in a rescue hoist than you have hangin’ in a nurse’s station. I’ve got more time riding right seat in a patrol car in ghettos from Garden Grove To Miami-Dade to Baltimore than you’ve got riding a stool and filling out TPRs in that old folks home of yours. I’ve got more time picking up body parts, putting them into a bag and trying to make sense of what happened, than you’ve got picking up diapers from your charges. Keep that in mind, candystriper.

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Translation: “I watch a lot of cop shows, and I have a rich fantasy life.”

Who pronounces on all those “body parts” you’re used to picking up from Miami to Baltimore, Beanhead?

(HINT: It’s not a candy striper.)
(HINT #2: It’s not the guy who rides in the patrol car.)

sa_rose
Member

Actually, depending on the circumstance, cops, EMT’s and other rescue workers CAN declare someone dead on the scene. I mean, it’s not like you can reattach a head or soomething.

beanhead54
Guest

Slow(and getting slower)livia: “Who pronounces on all those “body parts” you’re used to picking up from Miami to Baltimore, Beanhead?”

She can’t even give us the correct procedure for dog bites in the controlled environment of a hospital, and now she wants to challenge the world of first responders?

Bwhahahahahaha….

Slowlivia….. If you’re ever in doubt whether people are laughing with you, or at you, stick with at. 99.999% of the time you’ll be right (for once in your life.)

Olivia
Member

Slow(and getting slower)livia: “Who pronounces on all those “body parts” you’re used to picking up from Miami to Baltimore, Beanhead?”

She can’t even give us the correct procedure for dog bites in the controlled environment of a hospital, and now she wants to challenge the world of first responders?
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Quiet, Cop Wannabe. Let’s try this again: Who pronounces on all those “body parts” you’re used to picking up from Miami to Baltimore?

Now, to address your other sneering comment, perhaps you should educate yourself a bit before shooting off your mouth:

Some wounds can be sutured (stitched closed) within several hours of the injury, after the wound is thoroughly cleaned. Wounds to the face are usually closed immediately to avoid developing a scar.

However, due to the risk of infection, some bite wounds may not be sutured immediately. These wounds may be left open and sutured 72 hours after the injury. When wounds are left open, they are flushed with saline (a salt and water solution), left open to drain, are covered with a dressing, and examined daily to look for signs of infection.

Immediate suturing is not recommended for wounds at high risk of becoming infected, including:

•Crush injuries
•Puncture wounds
•Bites involving the hands
•Dog bite wounds that occurred many hours earlier
•Cat or human bites, except those to the face
•Bite wounds in people who have a weakened immune system
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/patient-information-animal-bites

Looking forward to your DIRECT response to my question, rather than childish attempts to deflect…….

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “Looking forward to your DIRECT response to my question, rather than childish attempts to deflect…….”

Look twerp, you don’t know your ass from 3rd base about most of the things you babble here. You were wrong as hell about MO, you were flat out wrong about why that kid was left on his own from UCMC. He was not TRANSFERED to Strojer, his mother took him there after UCMC booted them from the facility. Funny you should actually post something which CLEARLY states WOUNDS TO THE FACE, which in your haste to post way back threads ago, you clearly left out of your idiotic statement about anaerobic germs.

My direct respose to your shoddy ass is that on the civilian side it’s called the coroner. On the military side where I did much of my first work in emergency services, the coroner’s office is in Graves Registration. Any more stupid questions, or will you now CLEARLY admit you were wrong?

sa_rose
Member

I have NEVER seen an ER delay suturing of a dog bite to the face beyond waiting for the plastics guy to arrive. And this bite is not indicated as having happened hours before, so it doesn’t even meet your own criteria! Oh, and generally speaking children are considered to have an immature, and therefore weaker, immune system. Do you work in a cnall community hospital that never sees REAL emergencies?

Sidekick
Member

“No matter how strongly you feel that O.J. was guilty, his hugely expensive “dream team” was able to cast reasonable doubt on every bit of evidence produced by the prosecution. And that, not some perceived lack of “common sense” among the jurors, is what won the case for him.’

You of all people should decry that aspect of the case. What you just described is very inconsistent with the views you have expressed here yet you seem joyful that OJ was found not guilty. There were lots of reasons why OJ got off. A shame.

Olivia
Member

“No matter how strongly you feel that O.J. was guilty, his hugely expensive “dream team” was able to cast reasonable doubt on every bit of evidence produced by the prosecution. And that, not some perceived lack of “common sense” among the jurors, is what won the case for him.’

You of all people should decry that aspect of the case. What you just described is very inconsistent with the views you have expressed here yet you seem joyful that OJ was found not guilty.
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Your imagination is running away with you, my boy, since I expressed no opinion at all on that decision. I’m merely pointing out that that’s the way our justice system works.

poppajoe49
Member

Obviously, my bitch has no shame.

sa_rose
Member

Or brains.

MDLION
Member

Olivia:”No matter how strongly you feel that O.J. was guilty, his hugely expensive ‘dream team’ was able to cast reasonable doubt on every bit of evidence produced by the prosecution.”

Not “every bit”. They did not create reasonable doubt on the blood evidence. O.J.’s blood, Nicole Brown Simpson’s blood, and Ronald Goldman’s blood were co-mingled in O.J.’s car and at his home. The blood evidence was so damning that the prosecution had to create a scenario whereby it was all over O.J.’s property. They wove the fairy tale that the cop Mark Fuhrman who had used the “N” word was a racist cop who planted the blood evidence. A RIDICULOUS assertion in that Fuhrman was never alone at the crime scene.

john
Member

What other religion’s most devoted members videotape themselves cutting people’s throats while screaming praises to their god?

What other faith has tens of thousands of terrorists across the globe united by an explicit commitment to advance the cause of their religion by pursuing horrific mass murder and mutilation?

What other religion has clerics lauded as ‘moderates’, ‘bridge-builders’, and advocates of ‘peace and tolerance’ who, at best cannot even bring themselves to condemn suicide bombers or denounce Islamist terror organizations, or at worst actually support terrorism, wife-beating, female genital mutilation and justify the killing of apostates and homosexuals?

What other religion kills innocent people over cartoons and teddy bears, and murders humanitarian workers of other faiths who are merely trying to help them?

What other religion actually celebrated the 9/11 attacks, described the carnage as “one of the miracles of the Quran” and proclaimed it to be “God’s work against oppressors”?

What other religion childishly brags about its growth while at the same time openly denies other religions equal opportunity to evangelize and even endorses killing those who leave?

What other religion has prominent PR organizations and charities so closely tied to terrorism – organizations like CAIR, which whine about dress codes and rubber ducks in the West while ignoring the Jihad genocide of thousands in Darfur?

What other religion has verses in its holy book that remind men of their divine permission to beat their wives and rape their slaves?

The list could go on (and does – each day on TheReligionof-Peace.com). Islam so routinely produces horrible atrocities in the name of Allah that no one is all that surprised when…

Adults are tied to a tree or planted in the ground and bludgeoned to death by fundamentalists for engaging in consensual sex…
A New York woman trying to file for divorce is beheaded by her husband, who also happens to be the founder of a Muslim-American TV channel dedicated to combating “misconceptions” and “stereotypes” about Islam…

Religious leaders are charged by authorities with plotting spectacular acts of mass murder in the name of their god…

Clerics advocate raping virgins prior to executing them for verbal crimes such as political dissent…

Pollsters admit that about 1 out of 3 Muslims worldwide (450 million) view the terrorism of 9/11 as justified…

A Christian is murdered in front of his own family for leaving Islam, and his children then kidnapped and ‘conscripted’ by his killers…

80% of all federal terror prosecutions involve a religion that is practiced by only 1% of all Americans…

Olivia
Member

Pollsters admit that about 1 out of 3 Muslims worldwide (450 million) view the terrorism of 9/11 as justified…
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Which “pollsters” are those?
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80% of all federal terror prosecutions involve a religion that is practiced by only 1% of all Americans…
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I’d like to see your evidence for this 80% claim. Especially the evidence that “religion” is involved in those 80% of cases.

Sidekick
Member

The DoJ website confirms that 80% statistic.
http://www.investigativeproject.org/2659/islamists-dominate-doj-list-of-terror-prosecutions

If you’re interested this website links to the DoJ report on domestic terror.

There is a lot of disinformation on the percentage of Muslims who think 9/11 was justified. The lowest percentage I found was 7%. The highest was 30%. Take the lowest figure and that is 91 million people. Let’s say that a bit more than one percent of that total elect to go jihadi and you have one-million potential enemy combatants and/or flat out terrorists. Like I’ve said, before the peaceful Muslims are irrelevant when you have numbers like this to potentially deal with one way or the other.

Just to make a skeptic happy, let’s say only one-half of one percent of the seven percent who thought 9/11 was justified radicalize. That is 500,000 bad guys. How many nations have a 500,000 man army?

Olivia
Member

Just to make a skeptic happy, let’s say only one-half of one percent of the seven percent who thought 9/11 was justified radicalize. That is 500,000 bad guys. How many nations have a 500,000 man army?
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What makes you think that everyone who harbors bigoted notions toward a particular demographic group is going to act on them?

Look at all the bigots flapping their jaws right here, about some perceived Muslim threat. How many of you guys are actually mobilizing? Not just boasting about how many guns you’ve collected for some imaginary holocaust that’s coming, or repeating stupid stereotypes about “ragheads” and “muzzies,” but actually planning to go out and kill or injure people who happen to be Muslims?

Sidekick
Member

“What makes you think that everyone who harbors bigoted notions toward a particular demographic group is going to act on them?’

Did you read what you just wrote? I am conservatively suggesting one-half of one percent of those Muslims who felt 9/11 was justified potentially are dangerous. Your write “EVERYONE”. How can I continue to debate with you when you are so dishonest in your posts? Pay attention or break your habit of globalizing everything. It makes you look really stupid.

john
Member

You sure like using that word bigot a lot, which isn’t surprising coming from a screechy liberal, but YOU are a BIGOT. You are not tolerant of my oppinions nor of anyone elses here, therfore your a bigot, and an asshole.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “Look at all the bigots flapping their jaws right here, about some perceived Muslim threat.”

I would love to see you say that to the face of someone who lost a familiy member in either the wars or 9/11. My disgust for your lack of intelligence and insensitivity grows more intense every time you open your mouth.

Olivia
Member

Slowlivia: “Look at all the bigots flapping their jaws right here, about some perceived Muslim threat.”

I would love to see you say that to the face of someone who lost a familiy member in either the wars or 9/11.
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I would say to them what I’m saying to you right now: I’m sorry, but whipping up the entire country into a frenzy of hate isn’t going to bring your loved one(s) back.

In fact, all that would do is gratify Al Qaeda. What power they have!—-if they can manage to turn the mighty mighty U.S. of A. into a nation full of frightened and angry bigots! I can imagine bin Laden (before his death) rocking with laughter at the thought of it, can’t you?

That’s why I, for one, refuse to gratify them. What they did was horrible, by anyone’s standards. But I’m not going to use their vicious acts as an excuse to start following their example of hatred.

poppajoe49
Member

Hat Trick!

poppajoe49
Member

Amazing how the queen of uncited sources is demanding sources from everyone else!

sa_rose
Member

OMG Olivia. You pick out those 2 items to whine about? WHat about the rest of the post? Are you really that blind and stupid? So the pollsters are wrong. Maybe 2/3 of Muslims DIDN’T feel 9/11 was justified. Even 1/3 thinking that is appalling. The prosecution example is the same type of thing. Say they were 50% of the Terrorist prosecutions and 10% of the population. That is still very disproportionate! You are denying reality again. For your sake, I hope you never have cause to regret that.

john
Member

So, you think the Ku Klux Klan
and the Spanish Inquisition are bad?
Put the Numbers in Perspective

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. (source)

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years. (source)

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (source)
19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. (source)

KimmyQueen
Guest

Right. Point being that even if Jesus Christ or Buddha or Ganesh (sp?) or whomever actually inspired believers to kill as many people as possible, believers are not doing it; in the volumes Fundamental Islamists are doing. Obviously, unless mistaken, Islam is the only world wide recognized and accept as a religion that DOES have scriptural tenets and widely accepted leaders that advocate violence against people. So it makes sense when they do violence, that it is not difficult to believe that they really are muslims. However since such tenets are not part of the other religions, it would be EXTREMELY WEIRD for someone to actually believe that the KKK is a real Christian organization.

Olivia
Member

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years. (source)

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (source)
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And some of the victims (60, in fact—more than 3 times the number hijackers) were practicing Muslims, yet you won’t see that mentioned in the Islamophobic right wing media.
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19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. (source)
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You just blew your own case, John, when you admitted (from your obviously very biased source, which of course is why you didn’t specify what the source was) that the destruction on 9/11 was caused by 19 men.

If you’re going to generalize about ALL Muslims, based on what these extremists did, then why don’t we generalize about ALL men, based on the fact that it was all, and only, men, who did the job?

As I recall, all 19 were also in the U.S. legally. So would it be fair to say that ALL men who are in the U.S. legally are violent murderers and should be deported or placed in concentration camps?

See what trouble you get into, when you start trying to generalize about a huge, multinational religion, based on the actions of a fringe group of violent extremists?

But, then, anyone who thinks it’s clever to flaunt bigoted slang like “muzzies” has to have at least one screw loose.

Sidekick
Member

Based on what YOU quoted, he is talking specifically about extremists. Further, while there were indeed 19 hijackers (20 actually) they had a lot of help from al Qaeda’s management in Afghanistan and Hamburg, Germany. That is flawed and sloppy thinking, Olivia, to suggest only 19 men perpetrated 9/11.

I agree, we should not generalize but I don’t believe John did according to the quotes you chose to repost.

john
Member

You really are stupid, your arguments keep getting stranger, your saying that my calling all these muzzy men murderers, then all men should be called murderers, is that it? Who has a screw loose?

sa_rose
Member

Its faulty logic, John. Sort of like “all goats have legs. Men have legs. Therefore, men are goats.” It appears logical, but it isn’t.

poppajoe49
Member

Oblivious, he didn’t cite his source because he didn’t want you to feel so alone! 😉

sa_rose
Member

So 60 Muslims were killed out of . . what was it 3000 dead in the 3 hijackings? And no, some of the perpetrators had originally entered the States legally, but their VISAs had expired and they were no longer here legally. Generalizations should be avoided, but we have seen enough tapes, written communication, and various attacks on non-Muslim sites to be assured that we are not generalizing about radicalized Muslims. There is an old saying “forewarned is forarmed,” meaning if you know befoirehand you can plan better. we are seeing what has happened with the radicalization of Islam, and its spread to Europe and the US, and are trying to be reasonable about safety. If you don’t care, maybe you could just sacrifice yourself.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Nineteen of these mussies were the terrorist hijackers, so the number is more like 41.

john
Member

In 2007 Islam and Judaism’s holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days.
Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10
countries during this time… while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Is it any wonder then, that the mussies are so allahdarned peed off? I mean really, the first mussy to get a Nobel was our illustrious occupant and that happened only due to the dhimmis on the Nobel board! (I am going on record here as having assumed the mussies never got a Nobel before since I don’t feel like investigating it. It fits the logic though, since with rare exception their desire is for the people of the world to live like barbarian cave dwellers. Also, if a Muslim has pulled down a Nobel prior to the organization becoming nothing representative of old Alfred’s wishes please don’t bother to forgive me that since I won’t apologize. I’m still in the United States of America, born here of American citizens – 3rd generation – and can say whatever the heck I please.)

Sidekick
Member

I took the liberty….

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/

Arafat won. He had to share with Peres and Rabin but leave it to the Nobel people to honor a man like Arafat.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Ach du scheisse! Of course Yassar Arafat, that peace loving mo fo of the terrorist PLA or izzat the PLO? How could I forget Jimmah lining him up with that? But you know, that may well be after my “Alfred’s desire” clause disclaimer, especially since it made no sense what so ever! How long before old Arafat cashed that check was it he had the other Muslim killed, that fellow Sadat who teamed with Jimmah and Begin for those peace accordion thingys? Wait, that might have been that other friendly mussy batard Ruhollah Khomeini. I know, I know, batard is a a kind of bread.

Now, People might think that was all Bubba Clinton’s work, but Jimmah hooked those boys up with their personal phone numbers after selling out the shah. Many are unaware of Bubba’s and Jimmah’s seething hatred for Israel, in fact many share it. They will all face their fate in time,as will we all.

Olivia
Member

I am going on record here as having assumed the mussies never got a Nobel before since I don’t feel like investigating it. It fits the logic though, since with rare exception their desire is for the people of the world to live like barbarian cave dwellers.
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Another bigoted stereotype. Islam is practiced in a great many different countries and cultures, and only an ignorant yahoo would try to generalize about the lifestyle of all of those hundreds of millions.

I enjoyed the bit about believing no Muslims have won Nobel prizes, too, on the grounds that you’re too lazy and bigoted to actually check out the statistics. Do they even HAVE statistics on the religious preferences of Nobel recipients? (If so, I wonder why.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPcw3fLeBHM

john
Member

Well why don’t you use whatever resources you have you know it all asshole and find out.

poppajoe49
Member

More words of wisdumb from “Al-Jazeera Olivia”.

cpierce
Member

No Christian should be at all surprised by this, nor that Christianity is vilified while Islam is coddled in today’s world.

Olivia
Member

No Christian should be at all surprised by this, nor that Christianity is vilified while Islam is coddled in today’s world.
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Nonsense. You’re pointing to one example of the ABUSE of a great world religion, and trying to pretend that it’s mainstream doctrine. It is not.

That’s like trying to pretend that THIS group is a fair (and typical) representation of evangelical Christianity:
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poppajoe49
Member

HMMM, Posting from the nurses station?

KimmyQueen
Guest

Or from the toilet seat, since the things that come out of her here can be equated from what leaves her body when she goes to the bathroom.

poppajoe49
Member

Now, if she could just tell the difference between that and shinola!

beanhead54
Guest

pj49: “Now, if she could just tell the difference between that and shinola!”

Small steps, pj. When working with the adolescent mind, one can’t expect miracles.

cpierce
Member

First off, This is one of hundreds of “examples” of the evil of Islam, and when there are many “examples” of something, we tend to call it “fact”. There may be a time when Islam adjusts to the modern world (as Christianity has) and stops treating women like shit, blowing themselves up in schools, and generally trying to eliminate the Jews/America, but for now they are stuck in the 13th century. Second, Jonestown/People’s Temple was about as Christian as you are intelligent and rational.

And now I will hit the “unsubscribe” button, because when Olivia posts, my email inbox gets flooded.

Olivia
Member

First off, This is one of hundreds of “examples” of the evil of Islam, and when there are many “examples” of something, we tend to call it “fact”.
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There are hundreds of examples of human beings suffering from spina bifida, too—but it still isn’t “fact” to try to claim that all human beings have spina bifida. Trying to generalize about a huge group, by focusing on characteristics observed in only one small part of it, is the very definition of bigotry.
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There may be a time when Islam adjusts to the modern world (as Christianity has) and stops treating women like shit, blowing themselves up in schools, and generally trying to eliminate the Jews/America, but for now they are stuck in the 13th century. Second, Jonestown/People’s Temple was about as Christian as you are intelligent and rational.
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But it started out as a Christian church, didn’t it? At one time, Rev. Jones was hailed as a godly and highly effective pastor. And he accomplished many of the things that you righties claim to value: he got agnostics, social misfits and juvenile delinquents interested in church; his followers were self sufficient and hardworking; he successfully got drug addicts cleaned up and into good schools and jobs; he had one of the first (if not THE first) fully integrated churches in a then very racist area of Indiana (home of the KKK).

It was only later, when he’d been corrupted by power, drug abuse and mental illness, that his actions were completely divorced from Christianity.

Interesting that you insinuate that Muslims “blowing themselves up in schools” and “flying planes into buildings” is typical of Islam teachings, but then disappear from the board, to avoid the challenge of producing evidence that this is so throughout the hundreds of millions of people who practice it worldwide.

By the way: in my line of work, I’ve come across many, many Christian women who’ve been “treated like shit” by their Christian husbands. Spousal/partner/child abuse is no respecter of religion, any more than of ethnicity or social class. So let’s stop trying to pretend that Christianity is free of such abuses, or that Islam condones them.

Let’s stop trying to pretend, too, that bigotry and hatred are Christian values….no matter how good an excuse you feel you have for expressing them.

poppajoe49
Member

By the way: in my line of work, I’ve come across many, many Christian women who’ve been “treated like shit” by their Christian husbands.
But the bible doesn’t prescribe that treatment, the Quran does.

Spousal/partner/child abuse is no respecter of religion, any more than of ethnicity or social class. So let’s stop trying to pretend that Christianity is free of such abuses, or that Islam condones them.
Never said it was, just that the Quran tells you how to do it.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

These fellows discuss the etiquette – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnpaMK1oLQ – of it.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I’m not even a Christian, but I can certainly see Islam for what it really is. There are passages in the Koran dealing with how to handle an animal that you have had sex with. And they all make it sound like the animal is at fault, and is now “unclean.” Islam is a disease of the mind and the soul, and it seems that Dear Sweet Olivia has a touch of it.

drb
Member

You called it!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

That’s why I stopped the subscription to threads. I still get the daily write up. Don’t drop that, even if you visit without the reminder everyday. I used to always check the notifications option on the threads but after her venomous and voluminous posting became SOP I stopped. I rarely miss it except on those stories where the postings get so overloaded that the clicking on a response as listed on the main page doesn’t take you to the post. Oh well, no big loss. It’s only whack-a-troll, a game named so in an effort to rile up the owners of “Whack-a-Mole”™, but it turns out they liked the reference. Thwack a troll has a certain ring to it, though.

john
Member

Put your burka on and shut up like a good muzzy woman is supposed to.

Olivia
Member

Put your burka on and shut up like a good muzzy woman is supposed to.
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As I’ve reminded you before, derogatory slang terms like “muzzy” are the modern day equivalent of calling a black person a “ni**er.” How telling, and appropriate, to see a far righter (and ONLY a far righter) proudly using such terms.

john
Member

How dare you use that derogatory term “far righter”, your racist and predjudice, and a dam fool. You think I care that murdering nut cases don’t like the term muzzy? And you seem to believe that everthing said here about muzzies is exaggerated or completely false and that they are just good common folk piously trying to go through life. You should then relocate to one of the muslum paradises like Somalia, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Afganistan, etc., etc.. If you don’t want to get beaten or killed make sure you burka is correct though.

sa_rose
Member

If a Christian wants off on Christmas, one of our holiest holidays, we have to stand in line with the entire rest of the population. If a Jew wants off for High Holidays, he has to get the time, or it is considered a violation of his civil rights. If a Christian wants to pray at school, he is told by the Supreme Court that he is violating other students civil rights. If a Muslim wants to pray 7 times a day, he is allowed to take his rug and pray at the appointed hours, since it is his civil right. If a Christian murdered in the name of Christ (an impossibility, but still. . .) he would be convicted for murder and jailed or executed. But Mulims are killing people all over the world, and absolutely NOTHING is being done to stop them. Christians today are actually one of the most denigrated and discriminated against groups on the planet.

MDLION
Member

cpierce, I was going to try to warn you that your words “Christianity is vilified while Islam is coddled in today’s world” would draw a reaction from Olivia, but she posted before I could. At least she didn’t provide you a link to “Islamophobia”.
Olivia, we’ll just have to disagree (what else is new?) that Islam is a “great” religion.
After 9-11, the media told us not to stereotype all Muslims as violent. Fine. When a Pro-Life person commits a violent act, or 5% of priests are shown to be abusing young people, where are similar warnings from the media not to stereotype Christians? Also, in movies and television shows I’ve seen over the years it’s amazing how often Christians are “vilified” by being portaryed as murdering thugs. Thugs of the cross I call them. Christians are treated way worse by both the media and entertainment than Muslims.

Olivia
Member

After 9-11, the media told us not to stereotype all Muslims as violent. Fine. When a Pro-Life person commits a violent act, or 5% of priests are shown to be abusing young people, where are similar warnings from the media not to stereotype Christians?
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How many Americans do you see going around claiming that Christianity isn’t really a religion, insisting that all Christians hate the U.S., demanding that all Christians be deported or forced to convert, or trying to forcibly prevent them from building a church on land that they legally acquired for that purpose?

Whenever such attitudes become common among mainstream Americans, we’ll talk. Until then, you’re just whining victimhood, in an obvious effort to deflect from your own hatred and bigotry.

David Bishop
Member

I don’t listen to Rush, but who is demanding that Muslims be deported or convert?
Who said Islam isn’t a religion?
Who said ALL Muslims hate the US?

You do have to give MDLION some credence. It is a lot easier for the news to pick on a majority and give a minority slack unless evidence against that minority is staggering. I for one have seen it on the news.

Sidekick
Member

Especially when the majority, in this case, will unlikely issue a Fatwa and threaten the life of the source of the criticism or bigotry. Peaceful Muslims who simply want a good life here are not the issue anymore than peaceful Germans or Japanese were the issue 70 years ago. The jihadis are a legitimate threat just as the Nazis and fanatical Bushidos were. The balance of those populations were or are irrelevent to the actions that took or are taking place.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Islam is the religion component of sharia. They are not divisible, no matter what one tribe may say about another.

Olivia
Member

I don’t listen to Rush, but who is demanding that Muslims be deported or convert?
Who said Islam isn’t a religion?
Who said ALL Muslims hate the US?
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Why, posters right here, of course. Haven’t you been reading their comments on this particular forum?

Sidekick
Member

Would you cut and paste those specific comments, please?

MDLION
Member

Olivia to me:”you’re just whining victimhood”

A liberal complaining about victimhood? I’m surprised you can even write two small paragraphs about Islam without telling us we’re oppressing the poor, people without insurance, African-Americans, Muslims, women, and women who’ve had abortions.

Olivia to me:”your own hatred and bigotry”

Accusations because you can’t back up your points with convincing arguments. What else is new? Quit being so intellectually lazy. Last week you called those who oppose abortion “religious zealots”. Are there “religious zealots” among Muslims? You can’t wait to defend Islam much like you can’t wait to attack those who try to save the lives of innocent babies. How twisted the liberal mind is. I wonder what your attitude is towards Pro-Life Muslims? I guess you’d be internally conflicted and contorted into a pretzel. Do I attack or defend?

sa_rose
Member

I hear liberals making comments about Christians to the effect that they are unbalanced, irrational, deluded by a “fairy tale” belief in a non existent God!

Babydoll102187
Member

Yes and its crazy to believe in God, but aliens are a total possibility.

I cant tell you how many times my husband and I looked at each other after seeing an ad for “Ancient Aliens” ,on the history channel no less, and said “But we are delusional, ignorant, or crazy for believing in Jesus, or God’s account of Creation?”

Geoff B
Member

Islam is a religion of peace my ass. I took a lot of crap on my facebook page for jumping to the incorrect conclusion about the Norway massacre. While I freely admit I was wrong, let’s face it, it wasn’t a bunch of Baptists that flew into the World Trade Center, you can’t name one Presbyterian suicide bomber, Methodists don’t seem to do a whole lot of “Honor Killing”, and let’s be honest, after 9/11, did you see a lot of Jewish people or Catholics dancing in the streets rejoicing in the death of thousands of Americans? The fact that Amnesty International remains silent on the countless human rights violations and murders commited by followers of “the religion of peace” makes them irrelevant and unworthy of our attention.

Olivia
Member

While I freely admit I was wrong, let’s face it, it wasn’t a bunch of Baptists that flew into the World Trade Center, you can’t name one Presbyterian suicide bomber, Methodists don’t seem to do a whole lot of “Honor Killing”, and let’s be honest, after 9/11, did you see a lot of Jewish people or Catholics dancing in the streets rejoicing in the death of thousands of Americans?
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Psssst, Geoff: it wasn’t just Americans who died on 9/11. Why do so many tend to forget that tiny little detail?

Even if you HAD seen “thousands dancing in the streets rejoicing” (which sounds like a huge stretch to me, since it would be awfully difficult to tell what was going on in a video depicting that many people), where are you getting the idea that
(1) they were all (and only) Muslims? Were you assuming that Muslims are the only people in the world who have ever regarded Americans with distrust or hate?
(2) the people in your video speak for all or most Muslims worldwide? Let’s face it: I’m an American and you’re an American, but there’s no way in Hades that I would EVER let you speak for me, in terms of politics. Isn’t it possible that Muslims don’t all have cookie cutter views on world politics, since Americans don’t, either?
(3) no Christians ever commit violent murders? The prisons are full of people who describe themselves as Christians, or at least as “I was raised a Christian.” Yet, oddly enough, just because a felon describes himself as a Christian doesn’t mean that his felonious deeds are always motivated by Christian teachings. As the Christian Right has shown us many times, a lot of decidedly un-Christian, and blatantly political, misdeeds are done in the name of Jesus.

Looking forward to seeing you produce that video of “thousands” dancing in the streets, along with the evidence that the dancing was motivated purely by religious conviction.

sa_rose
Member

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/135725

rightwingnews.com/…/9-american-muslims-speak-out-aga

From Right Wing sites airing Moderate Muslim Imams decrying the terrorism, to multiple YouTube posts, to private blogs, to CNN. EVERYONE is aware of this incident. How did you miss it? In France at the time, or what?

poppajoe49
Member

First, she doesn’t have a TV, a common claim of leftists that refuse to admit that they have seen the evidence we are presenting them.
Second, no matter what you present, she will continue being a radical Muslim apologist.

Olivia
Member

Ah yes, another novella by the “Hero of the Stupid” as poppajoe put it, and I’ve proudly relegated it to the turd bin. Thank you! Thank you! You’re all too kind! Thank you!
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Translation: “As usual, I lack the smarts to refute a single thing she said in her post….so I’ll do my usual it’s-cool-to-be-ignorant shtick.”

Thank you for reminding me, once again, that I’m proud to be a liberal. 😉

sa_rose
Member

Thirds

poppajoe49
Member

I lack the smarts to refute a single thing she said in her post

Unfortunately for you, that isn’t the case, we’ve just gotten so tired of your interminably long and disjointed posts, which history has proven, are basically the same recycled crap you have posted in hundreds of other diatribes here, that we don’t have any reason to refute them yet again! You may want to waste your time saying the same bullshit over and over, but don’t expect us to read and refute it for the hundredth time.

Tesslea
Member

Letting these people into our country and allowing them to practice this so called religion is insanity. My mil sent me an email showing muslims blocking the streets in NYC during their prayers because there isn’t room in the mosque for all of them and the police ALLOW it to continue. They put a stop to traffic for hours… how is this happening? I like the guy here in Texas whose multi generational home/land is next to land bought by muslims building a mosque… they told the Texan to get rid of the pigs(his family business) he said no. They offered to buy his land they said no… they pissed him off he has pig races every friday during their prayers. Go Texas! What is wrong with NYC? They are too PC. Ignorant. What will we do when the ones here decide to have a public beheading, will the authorities do anything to stop it? Makes one wonder.

john
Member

I agree Tesslea, muzzies in Georgia, USA blocking a street to “celebrate” Ashura by cutting and flogging each other, it looked like a scene from some backward muzzy country, sickening, and that’s just the start of what they will demand and probably get from our pc whimpified representatives. Why the only guy I would support for President is Allen West, he seems to be the only guy with balls enough to speak out and at the muslum demanders.

Olivia
Member

Letting these people into our country and allowing them to practice this so called religion is insanity.
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So are you prepared to outlaw Christianity, and refuse to “let” Christians “into our country” on the grounds that some self-professed Christians have committed heinous murders?

poppajoe49
Member

Aren’t you going to get in trouble for posting when you’re supposed to be working?

KimmyQueen
Guest

Olivia is back at being an idiot it seems. Perhaps that is her job.

poppajoe49
Member

Perhaps?

It is at least her favorite hobby.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

It’s really nice having a job that you love, though.

Olivia
Member

Aren’t you going to get in trouble for posting when you’re supposed to be working?
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You’d know more about that than I would, Poopajoe. I was just posting before going in to work.

poppajoe49
Member