The religion of peace? (Peace being defined as inflicting a violent death upon anyone who disagrees with believers of the religion of peace)

by editor on August 19, 2011

Here’s a video clip that shows a band of those “peaceful” Muslims beheading a grandma whose corpse was later dangled from a helicopter.

Unfortunately, if you’re a fan of helicopters, we have bad news: The helicopter is not shown in this clip.

Even more unfortunately, if you’re a fan of grandmothers keeping their necks attached to their shoulders, we have more bad news: That is also not shown in this video.

CAUTION! THIS IS AN EXPLICIT VIDEO SHOWING AN ACTUAL BEHEADING. IT IS NOT FOR CHILDREN OR SQUEAMISH ADULTS.

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fredfred
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Somebody needs to send an “all outs” to Marshal Daniels!

Not so silent
Member

Whew, I was right on the money with Olivia. After waiting for her response (and the one from Mr Olivia) I could not have called it any better. Personality disorder, panicked about her view not being accepted, unable to substantiate her claims, victim mentality, blames others for racial bias while constantly outlining her own bias against anyone conservative…But I was wrong about one thing, It’s not a personality disorder, she has serious mental issues, and I really wonder if she works in a hospital or is a patient in one. Something to think about. I am thinking the in-patient thing is probably more realistic.

fredfred
Member

Perhaps the reason for sporadic postings? I suppose they do have to release her from the straight jacket every now and then!

sa_rose
Member

Sort of like Shutter Island?

MDLION
Member

Thank God you don’t diagnose people over the Internet as being drunkards who don’t work.

drb
Member

Or brainwashed…My personal fav!

Olivia
Member

The folks here are straightforward, and have that “I call Bullsh*t when I see it attitude”. With the exception of one…We all know that would be Olivia.
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I love it—-yet another of those “I’m kind of a big deal in the real world” posts. “Even though I’m not a psychiatrist or psychologist,” they claim, ” I can diagnose people in cyberspace, without an interview, without a physical exam, without a biopsychosocial assessment—-JUST BY READING THEIR POSTS. And, by an amazing coincidence, I’ve discovered that ANYONE WHO DOESN’T AGREE WITH AND APPLAUD MY POLITICAL VIEWS IS SOCIALLY MALADJUSTED!”

Clue for you, Silent: real professionals know that “I’d be willing to bet” is a wild guess, not a serious observation.

Another clue for you: when a group of posters can’t come up with even one example of a political view of theirs that isn’t a carbon copy of so-called Tea Party ideology……they’re not “independent.” They’re merely following the latest right wing political fad, dressed up in shiny new red, white and blue wrapping paper.

fredfred
Member

……….”I love it—-yet another of those “I’m kind of a big deal in the real world” posts. “Even though I’m not a psychiatrist or psychologist,” they claim, ” I can diagnose people in cyberspace, without an interview, without a physical exam, without a biopsychosocial assessment—-JUST BY READING THEIR POSTS.”

Thank God you don’t diagnose people in cyberspace as being Jethro Bodine fashinistas and banjo playing far right wing Islamo’phobic xenophobic white racist haters.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

She never does anything remotely like that, ever. Not once. Never.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Just call me Jethro. I wish I could play the banjo, though.

fredfred
Member

Sad thing is though, she will not acknowledge the fact that she described herself in that rant.

drb
Member

That’s it?…I was really expecting a lot more. Oh, well.

Not so silent
Member

Being a relative newcomer to IHTM, I really love this site. The folks here are straightforward, and have that “I call Bullshit when I see it attitude”. With the exception of one…We all know that would be Olivia. If you permit me to use some skills learned long ago from some very high profile criminal investigators, I think you might get a kick out of a profile of Olivia based on her written word.

Now I am not the brightest light bulb in the case, I enjoy reading everyone’s posts waiting for that WOW moment. And there are numerous ones every day. For me I enjoy poking fun at politicos, especially those liberal ones with some serious personality disorders. And that brings me to our favorite liberal.

After reading her stuff, I would venture to say that Olivia is an unhappy woman, perhaps trapped in a failed marriage, bad career choice, and some kind of traumatic event in her life. She is one of those people who has a large hole in her life because she never really figured out what life had to offer. She Thinks she is doing all the right things. And because she has no love for life outside of this website, she now feels compelled to right the wrongs that she sees. Those wrongs to her are conservatives. At some point she made a giant leap of faith, more than likely in 2008 behind Obama. Since she works in Chicago, it is more than likely that her parents or other influential family member was a democrat politician. She based her whole life on this, more than likely excluding her friends, and family. She felt that this was her goal, so she started visiting websites like the KOS and Mother Jones. Both of which are very skewed to the left and border sometimes on insanity. She found this website more than likely by accident and decided her “mission” was to correct everyone here at all times. She cuts and pastes because she has no real deep down beliefs in what she is doing, other than pigeon-holing all conservatives as racist, biased, haters who all live in a trailer park somewhere.

She feels the need to show her intelligence to all with posts that are off topic a lot but to her they are someone related and prove her point. The problem is there is no point just raving. This is more than likely from her inability to control everyone and everything around her. I am sure Mr Olivia is subservient to her and her beliefs and wishes, not an equal partner in the marriage by any means.

For example, when she wrote about going out with her “friends” and she enjoyed grossing people out with medical talk, that says a lot. She feels the need to control all conversations, and can not stand the fact that others may not be interested in what she has to say. She is Hyper-vigilant, always on the lookout for someone to challenge.

I would also bet that at work she has a VERY small group of friends, and these are the type of people that think they are stand up comedian funny and always laugh at their own jokes because they are insecure. She is gonna hate me for this but I imagine her body image has a lot to do with that, probably overweight to some extent.

She is facing a crisis right now because she put all her energy, time and talent into supporting Obama and anyone who dares to criticize him is automatically a racist. She can not and does not have the ability to process the fact that the man is simply a bad president with no leadership skill. No matter the color.

She lases out at several bloggers here with almost a fetish like vengeance. And as my dear departed Mom use to say jokingly when I was a kid, “I may not always be right, but by gosh I am never wrong”. She was joking but in Olivia’s case this sadly this is an actual belief.

What causes the personality disorder is anyone’s guess, bad relationships, bad parents, a trauma, or like I mentioned before, a life that has no meaning or purpose.

I would also be willing to bet a MMPI or CPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Index/ California Personality Index) would show some serious hangups about trusting people and the ability to basically work and play well with others. I doubt there is an actual mental illness, but since I am profiling from afar I may be wrong.

She will continue to blog here because she gets a response, in her mind the A-Ha moment leading her to believe she is scoring points, when sadly she is only making a fool of herself. Our direct lack of a response should prove interesting and we may actually witness a small explosion of the rage that lies just below the surface.

Her behavior is not much different from the criminals I deal with daily in investigations, where they have the “victim” mentality. Her political beliefs and leaders are now the victims in her mind and she is defending them (not very well) with what limited skills she has.

She is symptomatic of what is wrong with liberals in today’s society. They will go to their grave believing they are right, no matter how wrong they are. Typically these are the people that get a traffic ticket and go to court claiming to be a victim of racial prejudice, profiling, bad luck or some other excuse. Even after being found guilty, they will argue because they can not except the truth, because in conflicts with their value system, wheat they have been told and what they believe.

An extreme version of some one like this would be Al Sharpton, or even Adolph Hitler. I am sure that is going to get someone fired up comparing the two. But think about it, same as Olivia, A belief that they are following destiny, and will never be wrong, and only they are enlightened enough to show the rest of us the path. Altho I think Sharpton and Hitler has some SERIOUS mental problems.

So to the majority of you who blog here, keep it up, your a funny, very smart group of independent thinkers who provide some eye opening conversations.

I thought you might get a kick out of a profile of Olivia, I am sure this is gonna come back and bite me in the ass but it was fun, it is what I have been trained to do and in 25 years, I hardly ever miss the mark.

Thanks for allowing me to be part of the best website out there.

MDLION
Member

Oh, you’re gonna get it now, Notsosilent!

sa_rose
Member

Batten down the hatches!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

“She found this website more than likely by accident”

Yeah, she was looking for a free cellphone.

I’m thinking NSS has been assaulted for his opinions in the past, and is very well prepared. He also will consider the source, and get a good laugh out of it. I always get a good laugh when My Dear Sweet Olivia attacks me. Just like I laugh at my neighbor’s chihuahua.

Alien
Member

I bet your chain of assumptions about her is mostly wrong. Chicago residency means likelihood of Democratic politician in the family?? LOL My chi-town friends would find this highlarious

Nurse in the ER is a bad career choice? Interesting I’ve never actually heard this characterization before.

What i find most fascinating about Olivia is just how looooong she has been able to get under all your skins, despite all the boycott/ignore/downvote campaigns to the contrary, and ironically she must be helping increase page activity here. Hopefully you are all good site citizens and clicking ads to go along with it

I wish more liberals would show up. The back-and-forth is much more interesting then the monolithic & partisan Obama/Dem hatred. I find it best to learn from both sides

Alien
Member

funny thing about this site.. at least on theBlaze they can’t hide behind downvotes

Olivia
Member

Author: poppajoe49
Comment:
somebody is trying terribly, terribly hard to insult me, which seems to be the only way anyone around here can think of to gain the upper hand in a political discussion.

My God you are either delusional or mentally handicapped!
You have been bodyslammed numerous times here with cited information from reputable websites. You run away as fast as you can every time it happens.
You are flat out the biggest liar ever!
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“Bodyslammed”? This is a political discussion (albeit a mighty stupid one), Poopajoe, not a barroom brawl. And rabid Islamophobic right wing blogs aren’t exactly “reputable websites.”

I’m amused that you now think I’m “running away’ if I’m not camped on this board 24/7. Last week you were complaining that I was here too much. Why don’t you sober up, decide which story to stick to, and then we’ll discuss it, okay?

poppajoe49
Member

Once again, you prove that you not only don’t read the posts, you refuse to open links.
Sidekick has posted tons of reputable info here that you cannot refute, so you run and hide from that discussion and try to spread your bullshit from therationalradical.com elsewhere. We aren’t falling for it.

sa_rose
Member

You don’t know HOW to discuss, so that is unlikely. Many many guys use sports and war terms to describne their lives and actvities. Please tell me that you already knew that, and are just picking! SAomeone get a look at her little finger. Maybe she’s not. . .( dadaDUH) one of us!

Sidekick
Member

What can I say? I’m metaphorical. 😉

Olivia
Member

You don’t know HOW to discuss, so that is unlikely. Many many guys use sports and war terms to describne their lives and actvities.
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Those with vivid fantasy lives, perhaps. This isn’t a “war” or even a sporting event—-it’s a bunch of people who like to spend their spare time squabbling about politics.

sa_rose
Member

THiiiirrdddss!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

But some numb-nuts gave her a thumb up, so I took it upon myself to give her fourths, and bury her like a cat buries it’s mess.

poppajoe49
Member

“Bodyslammed”? This is a political discussion (albeit a mighty stupid one), Poopajoe, not a barroom brawl.

OK, how about “You have had your ass summarily kicked all over this board”? Does that fit your sense of perspective better?

The only thing that has made this discussion stupid, is YOUR “contribution”, as it were.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

How does “wipe the floor with you” work? Maybe an internet slang term like PWNED is more apropos?

Olivia
Member

That kind of behavior, however, is not unique to Muslims. I’ve see white men behave just as badly, and I’m sure you have, too.
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A very interesting insight into your bigotry Olivia.
In this little statement, you have categorically stated that all Muslims are Black/there are no white Muslims.
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The men in the video appeared to be black, Poopajoe. And they were the ones being discussed here.

Nice try, though.

Sidekick
Member

“The men in the video appeared to be black, Poopajoe. And they were the ones being discussed here.”

I just rewatched the video and I dont know how you can conclude that the thugs were black. They may have been African immigrants but they could also have been Arabs. Regardless, why would you defend them? Would you defend a similar sized group of Scotch-Irish Appalachian mountain men who would intimidate a woman as she tried to enter their “turf”?

sa_rose
Member

Not likely-violation of the woman’s civil rights, so the guys would still be on the short end of the stick.

Olivia
Member

“The men in the video appeared to be black, Poopajoe. And they were the ones being discussed here.”

I just rewatched the video and I dont know how you can conclude that the thugs were black.
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What a coincidence. I don’t know how YOU can conclude that they were “thugs.”

Sidekick
Member

“What a coincidence. I don’t know how YOU can conclude that they were “thugs.”

Really, you could not conclude that? Really? You can do better.

poppajoe49
Member

It couldn’t be, it wasn’t on therationalradical.com! 😀

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I didn’t have any problem at all concluding that they were thugs. I actually watched the video.

Now, let’s picture a group of well-to-do gentlemen, standing around in their most comfortable surroundings, let’s say a country club. Now, here comes a female reporter from Al Jazeera, with camera rolling. Now, the gentlemen might ask her to leave, as this is “their” turf. It might even be private property, not a public sidewalk.

Whose side would you expect my Dear Sweet Olivia to come down on?

poppajoe49
Member

Whose side would you expect my Dear Sweet Olivia to come down on?

Are you kidding?
Olivia would be the female reporter from Al Jazeera!

Olivia
Member

Now, let’s picture a group of well-to-do gentlemen, standing around in their most comfortable surroundings, let’s say a country club. Now, here comes a female reporter from Al Jazeera, with camera rolling. Now, the gentlemen might ask her to leave, as this is “their” turf. It might even be private property, not a public sidewalk.

Whose side would you expect my Dear Sweet Olivia to come down on?
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If it was private property, and she didn’t have authorization to be there, they’d be within their rights to have her escorted off. If it was public property, and she was making a nuisance of herself taking pictures of people who didn’t want their pictures taken, they would be within their rights to ask her to leave them alone.

I don’t know who your “dear sweet Olivia” is, but it’s obvious she doesn’t share my views on many issues.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

All views expressed by My Dear Sweet Olivia are the property of Olivia, as seen above. No keyboards were injured in the production of this message.

Olivia
Member

“What a coincidence. I don’t know how YOU can conclude that they were “thugs.”

Really, you could not conclude that? Really? You can do better.
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I certainly can do better—-because I don’t fall for every buzzword that comes down the pike.

The term “thug” has a particular connotation, and it isn’t “somebody with dark skin who I want to believe does a bunch of bad stuff.”

sa_rose
Member

No, its peopl with ANY color skin, who is rude, abusive, physically or psychologically threatening. Frequently in association with criminal activity. So I don’t understand why you brought up “dark skinned” at all. It is all about the attitude, activity and witnessed action.

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

The origin of the word ‘Thug’ is Hindi, geographically India. India, Pakistan and many Arab countries are referred to as Asia or South Asia in U.K. and most Scandinavian countries. As it happens, the skin pigmentation of most people from these areas is somewhat darker than you would have found in most of Sweden until recent years.

Olivia
Member

No, its peopl with ANY color skin, who is rude, abusive, physically or psychologically threatening.
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You mean, it’s an ugly pejorative that you choose to apply to selected people, who don’t behave as you think they should.

Otherwise, at least part of your definition would fit almost every poster on this board.

sa_rose
Member

OMG!!!! She is like a yappy little chihuahua with about the same size brain. I HATE chihuahuas! They are sOOOOO annoying!

Olivia
Member

OMG!!!! She is like a yappy little chihuahua with about the same size brain. I HATE chihuahuas!
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Translation: “I can’t refute the point she’s making, so I’ll just fling another personal insult. I’ve got it! I’ll call her something Mexican!” @@

poppajoe49
Member

Translation:
therationalradical.com doesn’t have any posts that cover this kind of thing, so I’ll make up something that makes her look bigoted.

sa_rose
Member

Yeah, I was married to an Hispanic, my chilren are half, so I would consider calling you something Mexican a real insult. I was referring to the Chihuahua personality. They are tiny, tremble a lot, pee on the floor and YAP. Day in and day out they yap. And they will try to chase you until you turn on them, then they squeal and run hide under the bed. They may be the most annoying dog breed on the planet. Oh, and they are ill tempered and will bite you as soon as look at you.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I guess I mentioned dark skin somewhere there, didn’t I? Maybe My Dear Sweet Olivia can show us the quote. I’m too incompetent to find it.

Olivia
Member

Yeah, I was married to an Hispanic, my chilren are half, so I would consider calling you something Mexican a real insult.
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“WAS” being the operative word…..
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I was referring to the Chihuahua personality. They are tiny, tremble a lot, pee on the floor and YAP. Day in and day out they yap. And they will try to chase you until you turn on them, then they squeal and run hide under the bed.
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I don’t do any of those things, Rose, nor am I high strung by nature. Sounds like somebody is trying terribly, terribly hard to insult me, which seems to be the only way anyone around here can think of to gain the upper hand in a political discussion. 😉

If you really find me that annoying, mean and persistent, then it’s awfully odd that you keep trying so hard to engage me. Why not just let it go, if you dislike me that much?

sa_rose
Member

My ex was a sleaze. That is why I divorced him, not because he was Mexican. And my children are STILL half. You yap like a chihuahua, you are cowardly like a chihuahua, you are annoying like a chihuahua. I’m not having a political discussion with you. I am telling you what a pain in the ass you are, not because you are correct in your views about ANYTHING, but because you are like an annoying little dog that thinks he is a doberman, but is really just a tiny yapping toy.

Olivia
Member

My ex was a sleaze. That is why I divorced him, not because he was Mexican. And my children are STILL half. You yap like a chihuahua, you are cowardly like a chihuahua, you are annoying like a chihuahua. I’m not having a political discussion with you.
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Well, then, stop chasing me around the board, Rose. Your accusation that I’m an annoying chihuahua is hardly credible, when you keep running after me, biting at my ankles and trying to engage me in yet another squabble.

poppajoe49
Member

somebody is trying terribly, terribly hard to insult me, which seems to be the only way anyone around here can think of to gain the upper hand in a political discussion.

My God you are either delusional or mentally handicapped!
You have been bodyslammed numerous times here with cited information from reputable websites. You run away as fast as you can every time it happens.
You are flat out the biggest liar ever!

sa_rose
Member

I think the drug people should investigate her. She makes about as much sense as the hippie idiot druggies from my college days-none! Her brain is soooo fried, she MUST be smoking or otherwise consuming something mighty powerful. And remember, she tells us she works with addicts. Probably selling on the street corner.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I’ve known quite a few dope smokers over the years. None of them are anywhere near My Dear Sweet Olivia’s stature when it comes to stupid.

Sidekick
Member

“I certainly can do better—-because I don’t fall for every buzzword that comes down the pike.

The term “thug” has a particular connotation, and it isn’t “somebody with dark skin who I want to believe does a bunch of bad stuff.”

What connotation would that be? “Thug” is a buzzword? No. It is British slang for a street criminal. Its etymology is of Indian origin. How do you know the people in the video were dark skinned? You are a racist.

Olivia
Member

What connotation would that be? “Thug” is a buzzword? No. It is British slang for a street criminal. Its etymology is of Indian origin. How do you know the people in the video were dark skinned? You are a racist.
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YOu think so? Which race do you see me demeaning, Kick? 😉

Sidekick
Member

Why don’t you scroll up the thread to where the beginning of the video discussion begins and review your own choice of language? I’m sorry if you lack sufficient self-awareness but your posts belie your “who me?” posture.

sa_rose
Member

She probably already forgot what she posted.

drb
Member

Well, he didn’t cut and paste to show what he was referring to, so you can’t expect her to be able to follow along.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

“Which race do you see me demeaning, Kick?”

Your own, mostly. You’re an embarassment.

john
Member

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9M8zFOLpKg&feature=player_embedded#! Watch this then lets hear your comment olivia

Olivia
Member

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9M8zFOLpKg&feature=player_embedded#! Watch this then lets hear your comment olivia
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Okay. Here are my thoughts:

1) We don’t know specifically why the woman was filming there, or whether she was on private property, so it’s impossible to know whether the men were justified in telling her to get out.

2) If I were to try the same thing in, say, gang territory on the south side of Chicago, I suspect I’d get the same reaction. And, having gotten that reaction, it would be far more prudent to go away than to stand there and argue about it.

3) The men were not abusive or threatening (although it was tasteless of that one guy to make that remark about her being “hot.” That kind of behavior, however, is not unique to Muslims. I’ve see white men behave just as badly, and I’m sure you have, too.

4) You have absolutely no evidence that these men were speaking for all area Muslims (assuming that they were Muslims). That’s like seeing a film of Hispanic gang members intimidating someone, and assuming that the local Catholic priest put them up to it.

Again, you’ve fallen for an ambiguous video, without actually knowing what’s going on, because it suggests what you so badly want to believe about Muslims.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

“1) We don’t know specifically why the woman was filming there, or whether she was on private property, so it’s impossible to know whether the men were justified in telling her to get out.”

Looked like a sidewalk to me, most likely on a public street. And why would it matter why she was filming there?

Olivia
Member

“1) We don’t know specifically why the woman was filming there, or whether she was on private property, so it’s impossible to know whether the men were justified in telling her to get out.”

Looked like a sidewalk to me, most likely on a public street. And why would it matter why she was filming there?
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Maybe because the men in the video didn’t wish to have their privacy invaded? I don’t know, and neither do you. But I do know that not everyone is comfortable with total strangers (journalists or otherwise) just walking up and filming them, and refusing to go away when asked to.

This video gave no clue to why the woman was filming them or why she wouldn’t leave when asked. Let’s be honest here: if it had been a group of Tea Party people, and the person filming them had been a liberal reporter, you would have thought it was just fine for them to request that she go point her camera elsewhere.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Well, my Dear Sweet Olivia, I actually WATCHED the clip, and took notice of the fact that MOST of the men in the clip, near the end, didn’t exactly seem shy. In fact, they came to the location to back up the original few who told her she wasn’t welcome there. As I said, it seemed to me that it was a public sidewalk. Why should she have to leave when asked? Or was that demanded?

And when liberal reporters come to Tea Party functions, (and they do), we welcome them, answer their questions with intelligence, and leave them scratching their heads, wondering what that was.

Olivia
Member

Well, my Dear Sweet Olivia, I actually WATCHED the clip, and took notice of the fact that MOST of the men in the clip, near the end, didn’t exactly seem shy.
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When did I ever claim that they looked shy? 😀
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In fact, they came to the location to back up the original few who told her she wasn’t welcome there. As I said, it seemed to me that it was a public sidewalk. Why should she have to leave when asked? Or was that demanded?
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You’ve never heard of people shoong away people with cameras when they were taking pictures or movies of them without asking permission?

Bottom line, my portly toymaker, is that we DON’T know what was going on in the clip. You, like a good little far righter, are more than willing to make guesses and assumptions that support what you want to believe. I’m not. That’s the difference between us—or I should say one of the many differences.

poppajoe49
Member

OK, I just watched the clip again, in full screen.
First, you cannot tell if they are black, white, or purple! It is too dark, they are not shooting the men’s faces, and the one part of the clip that faces might have been visible, they were pixellated.
Second, they were on a street and sidewalk, they have no right to keep anyone from filming in public.
Third, at about 29 seconds in, there is a man that takes his hand out of his pocket for a moment. That hand looked white to me.
Fourth, I am so glad that Olivia has maintained her integrity by not making stupid comments about other posters here, don’t you agree “my portly toymaker“?

sa_rose
Member

Obviously you have never seen RHG’s rockinghorses. I don’t think they would exactly fall in the cateogry of “toys.” So once again, you are makjing and assumption, which is WRONG!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Troll should go there and enjoy the hospitality of these fine men, then, if she survives the ordeal she could report it to huffpo and all the other unbiased organizations she obeys. ‘New Kristiana’ welcomes all!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I’m sure they’d love her. She’s on their side.

By the way, My Dear Sweet Olivia, I may be fat, but I can diet and get slimmer. What are you plans for getting smarter?

And my “toy” is bigger and better, and worth a lot more money than your Smart Car. Even my smallest one is bigger. And more fun.

Olivia
Member

By the way, My Dear Sweet Olivia, I may be fat, but I can diet and get slimmer.
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That’s what they all say, my boy. As long as you’re taking such an interest in MY personal life, what’s your excuse for not trying?
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What are you plans for getting smarter?
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I read, I use critical thinking skills, instead of just swallowing any rhetoric that flatters me, validates blind prejudices, or tries to oversimplify complex issues. You should try it sometime.
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And my “toy” is bigger and better, and worth a lot more money than your Smart Car.
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And I’m supposed to be impressed by that, because……?

First, not everyone thinks of cars as “toys,” Horse. I see them as a means of getting from one place to another.

I’m not sure, either, why I’m supposed to be impressed that your cars are bigger than mine. I don’t need a lot of room, so what would be the point of buying a big gas guzzler?

Third, why would I care how much you paid for your vehicles? I spend enough on mine to serve my purposes. Unlike you, I’m not willing to shell out a few extra thousand dollars a year for features I don’t care about. I’d rather spend that money on other things.
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Even my smallest one is bigger. And more fun.
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Good for you, but your attitude belies your claim to be having so much fun. If you’re that happy with your big vehicles, why are you so obsessed with my small one? 😉

sa_rose
Member

No, Olivia, youSTILL don’t get it. He is not referring to his Cars. He is referring to his “toys.” His “TOYS” stand about 6 feet tall (estimating from the photos. God know what they weigh. And in a crash, between a smart car and opne of his “toys” I’d bet on the TOys evrytime.I TOLD you, but did you listen? NOOOOOOOOOOO. Thirds.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

As Rose mentioned, (she actually reads things), I WAS referring to the “toys” that you mentioned. You know, the ones that bring such joy to children of all ages, regardless of race, sexuality, religion, or political persuasion. My big vehicle is necessary just to be able to haul around my “toys.”

Rose was pretty close when she called six feet, but that’s my little one, Freya. She’s 6’6″ tall, weighing in around 800 pounds. The big one, Vlad, is 7’8″ to the top of his ears, and weighs in the neighborhood of 1,000 pounds. Yes, he could quite easily crush your “smart” car. We don’t even want to think of what the truck I drive would do to the “smart” car. Oh, and the truck gets around 22 mpg on diesel, which is pretty respectable for such a useful vehicle.

As for my not trying to fix my overweight situation? I am currently on the eleventh day of a 90 day workout challenge with my lady and a large group of our friends, (communicating on FB), and have lost four pounds so far. When the 90 days is up, I intend to continue on until I have a total loss of 70 pounds. Want to try to compete with me on the stationary bike? Or perhaps a real bicycle? I know a super gnarly single-track in the hills nearby. Of course, we have no idea of your physical condition. You keep your identity hidden. I, on the other hand, have no shame.

drb
Member

OMG! She remembers her low blow of an insult of your body habitus but totally forgets her dig on your horses/unicorns which immediately followed the first insult in her post to you. Classic!

Good luck on your 90 day challenge and beyond.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Thank you my dear. I’ll proudly announce the results. My Dear Sweet Olivia will NOT be getting any smarter, though.

sa_rose
Member

You go RHG! I know how difficlut such a change can be initially, but anyone that can wrestle one of your horses should have no problem wresling with this! Good Luck!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Near the end of the clip one of these fine fellows says “Look at her shoes! She’s hot!” That right there is the cue that got the woman and her camera team to get the hell outta there cuz the nice boys could tell by her shoes that she was ASKING to be gang raped by fellows that know what to look for, like her shoes, for instance. They have that right, to rape any – ANY – non muslim woman. She is a bint, there only to be subject to allah’s will. Just ask them.

Olivia
Member

Near the end of the clip one of these fine fellows says “Look at her shoes! She’s hot!” That right there is the cue that got the woman and her camera team to get the hell outta there cuz the nice boys could tell by her shoes that she was ASKING to be gang raped by fellows that know what to look for, like her shoes, for instance. They have that right, to rape any – ANY – non muslim woman.
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Oh, balderdash. I can personally vouch that any woman who is or ever has been halfway decent looking has been subjected to such catcalls at some time in her life—-and they didn’t all come from Muslims. Nor were they necessarily a sign that she was about to get gang raped.

You people are SO gullible and SO melodramatic……

Sidekick
Member

Those weren’t catcalls. Then again, I doubt you have any experience with that sort of attention from men.

sa_rose
Member

Maybe you’re so butt ugly no one has done it to you , but it happens every day. Even rape cases were predicated for years on the allure of the victim, rather than the criminal assault by the attackers. Where do you live? Under a cabbage leaf? You are so out of touch with the real world it is amazing! (note: Stillettos are actually CALLED “fuck me shoes”)

Olivia
Member

Maybe you’re so butt ugly no one has done it to you , but it happens every day.
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Rape is about power, Rose, not sexuality. It’s a myth that only very attractive women are raped. Yet here you are, insinuating that being a victim of rape is some sort of assertion of a woman’s beauty.

(And YOU”RE accusing ME of being out of touch?) @@

sa_rose
Member

As I noted in my posts, that IS how rape was prosecuted for years. Personally, I think a woman should be able to walk down mainstreet in the nude and be left alone. But the bottom line is that there is a percentage of men who feel that women “ask for it” like anyone would ask for the pain, humiliation and psychological problems caused by rape.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Take a look at what you actually click on when you respond, My Dear Sweet Olivia. It says, and I quote, “REPLY TO THIS SPECIFIC COMMENT.” This would imply that you had read, and were replying to, what Rose, or anyone else here, had actually said in that comment. When I read what Rose said, I had no trouble whatsoever comprehending what she was saying. You, on the other hand, seemed to have a problem understanding that she was stating that, for quite a long time in this country, women who claimed to have been raped were often blamed for the crime.

Maybe their skirt was too short, maybe they showed a bit too much cleavage, or wore too much makeup. These were considered to be an admission of being a “loose” woman in some courtrooms around the country, leading to the assumption that they were “asking for it,” thereby excusing the act of the violent criminal.

Rose never at any time condoned that attitude, but that was, of course, your assumption, since you also assume that she is a backwards kind of person. Obviously, since she isn’t a “progressive” kind of woman, like you.

There are many places around the world, right now, in the 21st century, where those backwards attitudes still exist, and are even more severe than they were here in the past. In some countries, a woman that is brazen enough to show her face in public, even without makeup, or maybe to venture outside her home without the escort of a male family member, is considered to be “asking for it.” And if a man were to see her in such a condition, and not be in the mood for a goat or small boy at the time, he can do as he wishes with her, and have no fear of the law. If she even mentions it to anyone, she will be stoned to death, or have her head removed.

Of course, these are the countries and people that have your full support.

drb
Member

I remember down in Florida, one perp saying he couldn’t help himself because his victim was just “too pretty”.

Olivia
Member

Take a look at what you actually click on when you respond, My Dear Sweet Olivia. It says, and I quote, “REPLY TO THIS SPECIFIC COMMENT.”
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Nice try, Kick, but I was responding to Rose’s unbelievably ignorant comment, “Maybe you’re so butt ugly no one has done it to you.”

Evidence from her own keyboard that she thinks unattractive women don’t get raped, however she tries to qualify it with a trite little lecture on past treatment of rape victims.

I think it’s too funny for words, though, that, considering the number of posters who charged forth to run interference for her here, not one of you can come up with a better rebuttal to my point than “Oh, yeah? Well, I bet you’re too ugly for men to want to harass you!”

Whenever a political discussion devolves into such silly group name calling, I consider it to be a concession of the point being discussed. Clearly, you all seem to have forgotten what WAS being discussed, in favor of acting like a group of five year olds. 😉

drb
Member

TURZ,

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Yes, she can personally vouch that a good looking woman would be subjected to catcalls. She’s watched some good looking women have it happen to them.

poppajoe49
Member

RHG, are you sure it isn’t because she was the one doing the catcalls?

RockingHorseGuy
Member

That may be, Poppa. I’m just saying that she doesn’t have personal knowledge due to the catcalls being directed at her.

poppajoe49
Member

Oh, balderdash

What are you, like 150 years old?

Sidekick
Member

It sounds vaguely European. She claims to drive a Smart car. Euro wannabe.

Olivia
Member

It sounds vaguely European. She claims to drive a Smart car. Euro wannabe.
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A euro is a coin, Kick. Why would I have a hankering to be a monetary denomination? Are you a dollar wannabe? 😀

poppajoe49
Member

No Kick, Balderdash is an old term. For some reason I picture William McKinley when I hear that word, if that gives you any perspective on the age of the word.

poppajoe49
Member

WOW! I was WAY off!
McKinley was born in the mid 19th century, Balderdash is much older!
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bal·der·dash   /ˈbɔldərˌdæʃ/ Show Spelled[bawl-der-dash] Show IPA
noun
1. senseless, stupid, or exaggerated talk or writing; nonsense.
2. Obsolete . a muddled mixture of liquors.
Origin:
1590–1600; of obscure origin

So then Olivia could be as old as 420!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I kinda like the word. I know it’s used inaccurately when it’s My Dear Sweet Olivia saying it though.

Olivia
Member

No, Olivia, youSTILL don’t get it. He is not referring to his Cars. He is referring to his “toys.” His “TOYS” stand about 6 feet tall (estimating from the photos. God know what they weigh. And in a crash, between a smart car and opne of his “toys” I’d bet on the TOys evrytime.
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And I’m supposed to care about what you’d be willing to “bet,” because……?
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I TOLD you, but did you listen? NOOOOOOOOOOO. Thirds.
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Rose? I really don’t need you help interpreting Horse’s attempts at self-aggrandizement. The simple fact is that he’s obsessing over my choice of car, and trying to boast that his vehicles are better, if we use his personal prefence as criteria.

My reaction? I don’t care what he drives, and I don’t care how driving it makes him feel. THis is still a free country, and I’m not obligated to follow his example, or emulate his personal taste, if I don’t choose to.

Got it now, or are you going to keep trying to run interference for him?

Goodness, you people are obsessed. I’ve never seen anyone carry on so about a total stranger’s vehicle choice. I didn’t ask you to buy it for me; I’m not likely to drive it anywhere near any of you, and God knows I didn’t ask for your advice. So why let it bother you so much?

sa_rose
Member

And again, HE WASN’T TALKING ABOUT HIS CARS STUPID BITCH! This is beyond poor reading comprehension, this is evidence of difficulty READING the written word. How on EARTH did you ever get out of nursing school? Mine would have failed you out in the 1st semester! My GOD you are dense. This has to be an act. No one is this stupid and still breathing.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Never mind, Rose. She’s never going to figure it out.

john
Member

That’s exactly what I thought you would say. Your a dhimmi, apologist fkin moron.

Olivia
Member

That’s exactly what I thought you would say. Your a dhimmi, apologist fkin moron.
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Not exactly, John. I’m one who refuses to jump to conclusions before getting the facts.

That’s what’s commonly known as being “fair.”

sa_rose
Member

You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you in the a$$. You are simply weasling because you are desperately trying to deny the entire video.

poppajoe49
Member

Rose, O;ivia’s biggest problem is now that she’s been found out, she has to find a new source for that truckload of bullshit she keeps dumping here.
therationalradical.com is no longer a safe place for her to get her posts.

drb
Member

Odd isn’t it? She was on here yesterday, posted maybe 3 or 4 posts (total) I think on 2 different threads and then was gone. I wonder if she saw the post about therationalradical.com and then bolted. Time will tell.

beanhead54
Guest

drb: “I wonder if she saw the post about therationalradical.com and then bolted.”

Might have something to do with those few new posters (rather than the usual suspects) who have taken her to task over the past day or two. I offer Kudos to them! Their use of calm, pointed and referenced arguments may have tipped the poor girl’s gyro farther than it has ever been tipped before. Something about “heat” and “the kitchen” comes to mind, but that’s probably wishful thinking.

Then again, it may just be cat box cleaning weekend, and she’ll be back to the ol’ “yadda, yadda” later.

drb
Member

UHM, no, it wouldn’t fit her pattern.

sa_rose
Member

Its the weekend. SHe posted a couple of times, went to take a nap, and when to work. She’ll be back, though God knows why.

poppajoe49
Member

I wonder if she saw the post about therationalradical.com and then bolted.

We should only be so lucky! But, if it is the case, we owe someone here a big debt of gratitude!

drb
Member

Even if she did, it would only be temporary. Once she regroups herself, she will be back.

Olivia
Member

Odd isn’t it? She was on here yesterday, posted maybe 3 or 4 posts (total) I think on 2 different threads and then was gone. I wonder if she saw the post about therationalradical.com and then bolted. Time will tell.

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“Bolted” from a recreational forum? You’re taking this thing WAY too seriously. Especially if you’re going around counting my posts. 😉

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: ““Bolted” from a recreational forum?”

Aww geez… someone woke the sleeping beast.

poppajoe49
Member

someone woke the sleeping beast

Damn the luck!

drb
Member

1) You are the one who takes this site way too seriously.
2) I’m not counting your posts, I just see patterns. Your activity on this site yesterday didn’t match your typical pattern. That’s all. If you choose to read more into it than is actually there then that is on you.

beanhead54
Guest

drb: “You are the one who takes this site way too seriously.”

Darn it, looks like pj gets the turd…

We were here first, so we get the technical assist!! lol

poppajoe49
Member

I justt got the 2 on another post, so the turd is up for grabs!

sa_rose
Member

Told you she’d be back.

poppajoe49
Member

That kind of behavior, however, is not unique to Muslims. I’ve see white men behave just as badly, and I’m sure you have, too.

A very interesting insight into your bigotry Olivia.
In this little statement, you have categorically stated that all Muslims are Black/there are no white Muslims. This is a lie, but a bigot like you would never admit to the bigotry that led to that statement.

Olivia
Member

Olivia – didn’t mean to offend you. Everyone has room for growth. Based on your reasoning and logic, it just appears that there are some large boulders of bias in your arguments.
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We’re all “biased,” Finally. That merely means that we all have our opinions, which is perfectly appropriate in a political discussion.
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When one is sure that everyone else is wrong and you are right, it’s a sure sign that you’re not looking clearly at the whole picture.
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Not necessarily. It can also mean that I’m the only liberal on the board, which I am.
And, by the way: can you name one poster here who DOESN’T think his/her own opinion is correct, and those who disagree with it wrong?

drb
Member

It can also mean that I’m the only liberal on the board, which I am.

No, you are not the only liberal on this board, just the one who posts the most.

fredfred
Member

………….”Not necessarily. It can also mean that I’m the only liberal on the board, which I am.
And, by the way: can you name one poster here who DOESN’T think his/her own opinion is correct, and those who disagree with it wrong?”

I have been perusing this board long before you came along and can assure you that you’re not the only liberal here.

While the bulk of the posters on this site are conservatives, there are varying degrees of political opinion that pretty much cover the spectrum. If you were to actually take the time and effort to discuss topics rather than cherry pick statements just to prove right wing stupidity to yourself, you would know this.

You have decided that anyone who posts on this board is a far right whacko without any knowledge to that effect except your own preconceived notion of what a far right whacko is. You stereotype and pigeon hole at leisure while calling out others for doing the same.

You are most assuredly entitled to your opinion, but for the most part the opinion you have displayed here is that you don’t like conservative people…period

fredfred
Member

For some reason it won’t let me edit:

YOU’RE not the only liberal here.

Olivia
Member

And, by the way: can you name one poster here who DOESN’T think his/her own opinion is correct, and those who disagree with it wrong?”

I have been perusing this board long before you came along and can assure you that you’re not the only liberal here.

While the bulk of the posters on this site are conservatives, there are varying degrees of political opinion that pretty much cover the spectrum.
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You have a very narrow idea of the political spectrum, then. And, yes, I’ve seen a liberal post here from time to time, that was written by someone other than myself. But very, very few. And, almost invariably, they’re promptly given the thumbs-down treatment, as is any post that doesn’t express approved right wing sentiments.
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You have decided that anyone who posts on this board is a far right whacko without any knowledge to that effect except your own preconceived notion of what a far right whacko is. You stereotype and pigeon hole at leisure while calling out others for doing the same.
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No, I don’t think everyone here is a “whacko” (sic). As for stereotyping and pigeonholing: I’m not the one who’s busily ridiculing other posters’ choice of car, or accusing them of being incompetent (and/or endangering others) at their jobs, or parroting nasty, bigoted stereotypes about the Hated Minority du Jour.

How interesting that you have absolutely nothing to say to THOSE posters, but feel the need to preach me a sermon for MY attitude.

fredfred
Member

……….You have a very narrow idea of the political spectrum

No, I’d have to say that your idea of the Right political spectrum is very narrow. Just as it is on the left, opinions on the right go from the extreme to the center. Just because a person is conservative it does not make them a far right whacko who listens to Rush – or looks at websites like the pundit thingy you accused me of doing earlier. You could actually find out quite a bit about conservatives if you would actually engage in a conversation without throwing in the insults.
As far as what kind of car you drive and slinging insults about it – makes no mind to me – I find that kind of rhetoric sophomoric and really not worth my time. As far as racist bigots that periodically post, I most certainly have and will continue to call them out on it. To the best of my recollection, I have never called you a name or insinuated that your opinion was worthless.
I have simply attempted to engage you in debate on certain points.

sa_rose
Member

I have posted a number of comments here and on other threads which have not been in line with your perception of an extreme right winger, or an evangelical, and certainly not a Tea Partier. Yet I have never pissed anyone off the way you do. You will argue about whether the sun is shining or not, just to be argumentative. You evidently believe it makes you appear well educated and sophisticated. Unfortunately it makes you look nuts because you refuse to accept ANYTHING that is not in your tiny world view.

Olivia
Member

I have posted a number of comments here and on other threads which have not been in line with your perception of an extreme right winger, or an evangelical, and certainly not a Tea Partier. Yet I have never pissed anyone off the way you do. You will argue about whether the sun is shining or not, just to be argumentative. You evidently believe it makes you appear well educated and sophisticated. Unfortunately it makes you look nuts because you refuse to accept ANYTHING that is not in your tiny world view.
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Tell me what liberal ideas YOU’VE accepted, that have been posted here.

You really, really have a problem with discussion participants sticking to their guns (figuratively), don’t you? Not those who agree with you, obviously, but those who dare to challenge right wng conventional wisdom.

Well, sorry, Rose, but discussion IS argument. The idea of discussion is exchanging different ideas and viewpoints. And, let’s face it: I wouldn’t be a very good discussion participant if I immediately caved whenever someone got tired of my viewpoint, would I?

This makes about the fourth post you’ve written today, complaining at me for failing to conform to your expectations. Really, if you find my posts that obnoxious, why not just skip over them? Or, better yet, debate the content of them, instead of just scolding me for not being complaisant enough.

sa_rose
Member

Because you clutter up the entire thread and most of the thread is a response to your nonsense. For instance, I woul never have been exposed to Finally’s book if I hadn’t been folloing those comments. And it sounds like a really good book. Why should I miss out because you are an idiot?

Olivia
Member

Because you clutter up the entire thread and most of the thread is a response to your nonsense. F
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So you’re saying you CHOOSE to read my posts (for whatever reason). Fine. If that’s your choice, then quit whining about it.
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or instance, I woul never have been exposed to Finally’s book if I hadn’t been folloing those comments. And it sounds like a really good book. Why should I miss out because you are an idiot?
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You wouldn’t have found out about the book if you hadn’t read my posts? That’s rather odd, when I’m not the one who brought it up here.

sa_rose
Member

But the recommendation was in response to your posts. We have been at this for over 2 weeks, and the thread is no longer abut the original story, but all about YOUUUU. Which I suppose is how you like it. Unfortunately, that is boring to the rest of us. The basic message of the thread is that Muslim extremists are doing horrific things, in the name of religion and religious law. That is true. It is fact. All the roundabout bull we have been handed by your posts do nothing to change the facts. You can like it or not, you can agree or not, but that doesn’t change the facts.

Sidekick
Member

“No, I don’t think everyone here is a “whacko” (sic). As for stereotyping and pigeonholing: I’m not the one who’s busily ridiculing other posters’ choice of car, or accusing them of being incompetent (and/or endangering others) at their jobs, or parroting nasty, bigoted stereotypes about the Hated Minority du Jour.

How interesting that you have absolutely nothing to say to THOSE posters, but feel the need to preach me a sermon for MY attitude.”

When you lose in the arena if ideas there is always portraying yourself as the victim. Cry me a river, Olivia. It is YOU who diminishes every thread in which you participate. You are completely narcissistic and driven by a pathological need to be right no matter the actual facts or issue. You have been a nasty lying bigot who resorts to parsing words and cherry picking phrases with the intention of deflecting from the core issues that you are incapable of debating. You have yet to add knowledge or anything resembling a viable contribution to this board. Being a caricature of a left-wing loon is your choice and you have earned the treatment that you receive here.

finally
Member

I agree with you. Of course we all have bias. That’s the point of the book. The goal is to look at your own bias, see it clearly, look at the evidence, see that clearly, and come to a conclusion that is real. Just because everyone is entitled to their opinion doesn’t mean their opinion is correct. There are facts, there are opinions, there is spin; my goal personally is to come to a valid conclusion while trying to filter out my own bias, the media spin, and the extraneous arguments thrown in. I was just commenting that your particular posts, after reading this thread, seems to be lacking most of the above other than opinion. I’m not saying others don’t have the same problem, but they at least have some logical cohesive arguments for the most case. I wasn’t trying to pick on you because you are a self-proclaimed liberal – I personally am more interested in coming to the actual truth than being thought right or wrong.

finally
Member

Olivia – didn’t mean to offend you. Everyone has room for growth. Based on your reasoning and logic, it just appears that there are some large boulders of bias in your arguments. When one is sure that everyone else is wrong and you are right, it’s a sure sign that you’re not looking clearly at the whole picture. Good to look at both sides – once you read all the websites on both sides, it becomes very clear who is thinking logically and who is not.

sa_rose
Member

Finally: I apologize for Olivia’s rudeness. I think you have been calm, quiet and respectful, and the things you have said could be true of nearly everyone on this board. Thank you for the recommendation, and again I am so sorry Olivia got defensive and jumped down your throat. 🙁

finally
Member

I have read this thread with great interest. I respectfully suggest as required reading for Olivia, “The Thinker’s Way” by John Chaffee. Wonderful way to check your internal landscape and see if your critical thinking skills are as developed as they can be.

Sidekick
Member

http://www.amazon.com/Thinkers-Way-John-Chaffee/dp/0316133337

In case Olivia has a kindle.

Who am I kidding? She stopped thinking critically or otherwise decades ago if she even ever did. She would no more read that book than admit she is wrong.

Olivia
Member

http://www.amazon.com/Thinkers-Way-John-Chaffee/dp/0316133337

In case Olivia has a kindle.

Who am I kidding? She stopped thinking critically or otherwise decades ago if she even ever did. She would no more read that book than admit she is wrong.
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On the contrary. If I weren’t a critical thinker, I’d stick to websites where everyone could be counted on to agree with me and applaud my viewpoint. You know, like you do.

Checking out the Amazon description of this book, I’m wondering what specifically you think I’d be likely to get out of it. I’m not in a dead-end job; I’m not prone to anxiety attacks or addictions; and I’m actualy quite analytical by nature. I don’t believe anyone has ever accused me of not thinking enough—-other than some of you righties, of course, who are just grasping at any excuse to discredit my views. 😉

Sidekick
Member

“I don’t believe anyone has ever accused me of not thinking enough—-other than some of you righties, of course, who are just grasping at any excuse to discredit my views”

From the Amazon link:
In the “Think Critically” chapter, for example, we learn to recognize and overcome biases, explore different perspectives, and develop strong and accurate beliefs based on sound reasons.

You really ought to take finally’s suggestion.

Olivia:I don’t believe anyone has ever accused me of not thinking enough—

We don’t know who you surround yourself with but my guess is cats and your husband are too small a sample size.

sa_rose
Member

You are addicted tocoming to this site to harrass people for their beiefs. You claim everyone is entitled to what they believe,, except those YOU view as Right Wing, or whose viewpoints differ from yours in any way. You clog up the threads, and there are so many incensed people responding to you that most of the rest of the discussion is lost in flap. The fact that you are already analyzing (and dismissing) a recommended book with ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONTENTS, is typical behaviour for you.

Olivia
Member

You are addicted tocoming to this site to harrass people for their beiefs. You claim everyone is entitled to what they believe,, except those YOU view as Right Wing, or whose viewpoints differ from yours in any way.
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I never claimed that you’re not entitled to your beliefs, Rose. But it’s a right wing myth that you’re entitled to express them without any consequences.

Sorry if you think I’m too abrasive. I take my tone from other posters, and if you’re honest you’ll have to admit that I’ve been treated rather abrasively myself here. Is that a problem for me? Not particularly. Am I going to turn the other cheek, and humbly accept the sarcasm, the name calling, the childish accusations and personal slams? Absolutely not. You wouldn’t, either, if you were in my shoes.

As always: I won’t be the least bit offended if you choose to ignore my posts. As I’ve pointed out many, many times, they’re usually “hidden” very quickly after I’ve posted them, so it’s easy enough to ignore them.

Olivia
Member

The fact that you are already analyzing (and dismissing) a recommended book with ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONTENTS, is typical behaviour for you.
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I haven’t dismissed OR analyzed it—-just reported the publisher’s description, as provided on Amazon. Have you read it, Rose? If not, why not?

sa_rose
Member

Was not previously aware of it. But it sounds like a good read. If I can fnd it at my local library, I am certainly interested in reading it. But then, I am always looking to improve my understanding of myself and others, and I am not afraid to find something that nudges me towards a change. After all, I have lost my temper with you more in the last month than I have with other people in the last several years, so see? Things CAN change! Thirds.

poppajoe49
Member

I respectfully suggest as required reading for Olivia,

Yet another good idea that will be ignored. She refuses to read anything that might change her viewpoint, that’s why she sticks to HuffPo and Dr Seuss, not necessarily in that order.

Olivia
Member

Yet another good idea that will be ignored. She refuses to read anything that might change her viewpoint
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If that were true, Poopajoe, I wouldn’t be posting on this board, would I? 😉

sa_rose
Member

Ahhhh, but that response indicates you are willing to listen, learn, and actually consider what you read here. And we all know that isn’t true. You come her to defame, to try and change what WE believe, and to generally be a pest. That is a completely different thing than YOU willing to consider changing any of YOUR views. Let’s face it-you’ve worked with addicts-what is the 1st thing on the 12 step list? Admitting you have a problem. Something I doubt you will EVER do.

Olivia
Member

Let’s face it-you’ve worked with addicts-what is the 1st thing on the 12 step list? Admitting you have a problem.
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No, the first step is admitting powerlessness over an addiction, and acknowledging that one’s life has become unmanageable.

Neither of those applies to me. Because I, as a liberal, have a viewpoint that’s very different from yours, you’ve decided that I’m in some way defective, and need to read some books to fix myself up.

That’s rather arrogant of you, Rose. It also suggest intolerance for anyone who doesn’t share your particular philosophy—which is a pretty glaring feature both of extreme right wing and (some) fundamentalist Christian teachings.

THAT is why I tend to think of you as a far right winger, even though you claim you’re not: your tendency to believe that there’s only ONE right way of doing things—and that everyone who has a different philosophy is either wrong, stupid or mentally ill. Commonly known as black-and-white thinking.

Off to work now.

Sidekick
Member

Your liberalism is not the issue. You simply can not make that connection. My father is very liberal and he is not an insufferable loon.

Sidekick
Member

Although, this morning, he did send me a stupid video that made fun of Palin, Bachmann, and other GOP types. Typical Internet liberal humor. He sent it for three reasons: First, he thought it was funny. Second, he is proud of himself, at almost 80 years old, for actually being able to send me a link via email. Three, he knows I will find something to fire back to him and then we can laugh about it. To us it is agreeing to disagree and then having a sense of humor about it. You know, Olivia, adult behavior.

poppajoe49
Member

You know, Olivia, adult behavior

You just confused her!

sa_rose
Member

“We admitted we were powerless over alcohol — that our lives had become unmanageable.”

The Twelve Steps – A Study of the Twelve Steps
alcoholism.about.com/cs/info/a/aa981021.htm
i.e. That you HAVE a problem. Quit playing your semantic games and try to stay on the subject.

“Neither of those applies to me. Because I, as a liberal, have a viewpoint that’s very different from yours, you’ve decided that I’m in some way defective, and need to read some books to fix myself up.

That’s rather arrogant of you, Rose. It also suggest intolerance for anyone who doesn’t share your particular philosophy—which is a pretty glaring feature both of extreme right wing and (some) fundamentalist Christian teachings.

THAT is why I tend to think of you as a far right winger, even though you claim you’re not: your tendency to believe that there’s only ONE right way of doing things—and that everyone who has a different philosophy is either wrong, stupid or mentally ill. Commonly known as black-and-white thinking. ”

I don’t think you need fixing because you’re a liberal (though that may be the case) I think you need fixing because you are an arrogant, judgemental, sanctimonioous bitch who assumes YOUR way is the only way, regardless of any information to the contrary, most of which you will not even LOOK at, for fear you will find yourself having to change some of your tightly held opinions. While I have spoken of things on this thread and others that I believe/practice that line up with a more liberal viewpoint, you have NEVER admitted to even ONE THING from your perception of the right that you have any agreement with or tolerance for. If anyone on this entire board is guilty of black and white thinking, it is you, as evidenced in part with your refusal to see me as anything but an extreme right winger and a fundamentalist (you’re wrong there too.) I am not a right wing Evangelical fundamentalist, though you clearly will never believe that even if I sent you a copy of my confirmation certificate!

Olivia
Member

I don’t think you need fixing because you’re a liberal (though that may be the case) I think you need fixing because you are an arrogant, judgemental, sanctimonioous bitch who assumes YOUR way is the only way, regardless of any information to the contrary
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You’re making me sound like a combination of Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin. 😉

Now, please show me some posters on this board whom you like, who do NOT sit in judgment of liberals, Muslims or welfare recipients, and who do NOT think that political conservatism is the “only way.”
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you have NEVER admitted to even ONE THING from your perception of the right that you have any agreement with or tolerance for.
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Sure, I have. I agree that it’s much better to have a steady job with benefits than it is to be poor and dependent on welfare.

I also agree that planning ahead (when you can do it) is better than just drifting along.

I also agree that Christianity is a great world religion (especially since I practice it).

I also agree that self discipline is an important virtue to have or work on acquiring.

I also agree that we need to show appreciation to people who risk their lives to defend this nation. (But, in my case, I’m more concerned with making sure they have decent pay and decent health care, and not just treating them with throwaways if they come home shell shocked and can’t adjust well to our fast paced society.)

I also agree that this is a great country, and we should do what we can to keep it great.

I also agree that a functional and financially secure two-parent home is an important factor in making sure that kids get what they need to become stable and self-supporting adults.
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If anyone on this entire board is guilty of black and white thinking, it is you, as evidenced in part with your refusal to see me as anything but an extreme right winger and a fundamentalist (you’re wrong there too.) I am not a right wing Evangelical fundamentalist, though you clearly will never believe that even if I sent you a copy of my confirmation certificate!
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Well, I admit I might have you confused with another poster here. Were you or were you not the one who was arguing with, and preaching at, David, when he happened to mention that he doesn’t believe in God any more?

sa_rose
Member

I was not. Please learn to keep up or quit posting, seriously. I only told David that he may change his mind in the future, and then in a later post that God would wait for him to be ready to return to Him. Some one else wrote the longer, more involved posts. Which simply proves, once again, that you assume things about me which are not true, simply because it fits your profile of us all.

Olivia
Member

I was not. Please learn to keep up or quit posting, seriously. I only told David that he may change his mind in the future, and then in a later post that God would wait for him to be ready to return to Him.
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So it WAS you. You didn’t see anything at all tactless or disrespectful in your comments? It didn’t occur to you that such comments are more about parading your own piety than offering emotional support to David (which he didn’t ask for, in any case)?

sa_rose
Member

No, it wasn’t me. It was Kimmy writing all the reasons in the Bible that he had to believe. Again, keep up! David even responded to one of my posts, indicating that he felt I was right, that in the future he may reconsider his position, He USED to belong to a church, still attends and takes his family. Because he doesn’t have his head up his a$$ like someone else here I know, then the potential for him to return to God are certainly there. If does, wonderful. If he doesn’t, God will deal. That is waaaaaaaaaaay above my pay grade!

Olivia
Member

Yet another good idea that will be ignored. She refuses to read anything that might change her viewpoint, that’s why she sticks to HuffPo and Dr Seuss, not necessarily in that order.
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And that’s why you get all your opinions and talking points from Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh and Rush Limbaugh, although not necessarily in that order. 😉

By the way, Poopajoe, have YOU read the book in question? What kind of insight did you gain from it?

sa_rose
Member

And here we go with her love affair with Rush!

poppajoe49
Member

By the way, Poopajoe, have YOU read the book in question? What kind of insight did you gain from it?

No, I haven’t. I was unaware of the book until now. Funny thing though, nobody seems to think I need to read it, 😀 although I likely will add it to my reading list.

poppajoe49
Member

And that’s why you get all your opinions and talking points from Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh and Rush Limbaugh, although not necessarily in that order.

And, once again I will tell you, I DON’T LISTEN TO RUSH! THERE ARE NO RADIO STATIONS THAT CARRY HIM THAT I CAN GET WHERE I LIVE!
Do you understand now?

sa_rose
Member

Irrelevant. That is the only talking point she has, so you simply MUST be an avid listener and simply dont want to admit it. You are such a bum Poppa! 😛

poppajoe49
Member

LOL Rose!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I listened to about 15 minutes of Rush on the way home from downtown the other day. It wasn’t as interesting as I remember it being when I used to listen to it at work about 10 years ago. But then, I’ve learned a lot in those 10 years.

poppajoe49
Member

So, does that mean you’re going to parrot him for the next week? 😉

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Yep. Somebody’s gotta do it.

Olivia
Member

Irrelevant. That is the only talking point she has, so you simply MUST be an avid listener and simply dont want to admit it.
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If he’s not a direct listener, then he’s a listener by proxy, since he never voices an opinion that doesn’t dovetail perfectly with Rush’s views.

drb
Member

All hell, Poppa! You’ve been listening by proxy again!

poppajoe49
Member

Would someone explain to me exactly how the hell I do that?I would like to listen to Glenn Beck on occasion, if anyone can tell me how to listen by proxy, I would appeciate it.

drb
Member

When you find out, let me know.

Personally I think she has it backwards. I think it may be that Rush is “parroting” the sentiment of the public in general. So if any of us say anything that matches the current zietgeist, she will claim we are parroting Rush. Further, I hear that Rush uses much sarcasism, not unlike the many posters here, so anytime that is done, she will say we are parroting his style. Like we couldn’t have learned sarcasism from anywhere else.

Olivia
Member

Personally I think she has it backwards. I think it may be that Rush is “parroting” the sentiment of the public in general.
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No, I’ve seen it numerous times on other political boards. Some event of national import occurs, and far right posters are oddly silent—-right up until Rush pronounces judgment on it.

Then, all of a sudden, half a dozen of them come charging forth, express very strong opinions on the incident, using the very same words to express them. And, by an amazing concidence, those same words and opinions can be found almost verbatim in Rush’s rambling transcripts on line.

It used to be a lot easier to detect their parroting, back when Rush’s website had a lookup function: if you heard someone repeating an especially overworked sentiment, you could paste the key term into his website’s browser, and find out how many times he’d used the term within the past 2 or 3 weeks. But he did away with that function about a year ago, probably because he didn’t like people being able to look up his comments and prove him a liar over and over again. 😉

The far right seems to be sort of ambivalent about Rush. On the one hand, you have to search long and hard to find anyone who admits to listening to him regularly, and/or getting information from him. On the other hand, you have to search even longer and harder to find a far righter who will EVER criticize him. And the fact that he earns 54 million a year just for rambling on the radio for 3 hours a day suggests that SOMEONE is listening to him. 😉

drb
Member

1) I am not interested in your opinions about Rush. I think you have it backwords…you don’t…I don’t care.

2) It appears to me that people like you, who want to bash the right are the ones listening to him the most. So go ahead and continue to make him rich in the process. Again, I neither care about who listens to him nor about how much money he makes. Sounds like you have a great amount of envy though.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Actually, drb, from what I’ve learned asking questions of actual liberals, they DON’T listen to Rush. They would never “sink” to that level. All they know about Rush is what the lamestream media has fed them, so they know they wouldn’t like the show. And that anybody who ever listens to him is an extreme right wing racist.

On the other hand, I have listened to lefties quite a few times, and actually know what kind of things they believe, how they act, and am not impressed.

Sidekick
Member

That makes no sense and how would YOU know what RL says? Or are his broadcasts edited and included in your podcasts?

Olivia
Member

That makes no sense and how would YOU know what RL says?
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As I’ve told you many times (do you EVER bother to read my posts before you come out swinging?) the transcripts of his shows are easily available on his website. As are most of the opinions expressed on this board.

Sidekick
Member

“As I’ve told you many times (do you EVER bother to read my posts before you come out swinging”

Yeah, you read RL’s transcripts?! Just like you have no television.

poppajoe49
Member

oops, my mouse must have malfunctioned! I gave Oblivious a thumbs up by mistake!

FormerlyDeanH
Guest

Slick move! Happens to the best of us, obviously.

sa_rose
Member

So you not only LISTEN to Rush, bu you PAY FOR TRNSCRIPTS of his show? Lord, no WONDER the man is rich! It is as I thought. You are far more obsessed with Rish than we are. I listened to some Rush back in the midnineties. Nothing since. I occasionally see or hear something about him in the news, but then, I own a TV. So here you are, arguing with us again, about something we have REPEATEDLY said we do not do, inferring we are liars in the process. Desperation, thy name is Olivia.

Olivia
Member

So you not only LISTEN to Rush, bu you PAY FOR TRNSCRIPTS of his show?
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No, I don’t pay for anything. They’re available to read on his website.
I’ve already explained this to you guys several separate and distinct times—–so how come you’re still not comprehending?

RockingHorseGuy
Member

My Dear Sweet Olivia, I just went to Rush’s website, and searched diligently for his free transcripts page. I’ve never been to his site before, so I’m not all that familiar with it, and wasn’t able to find where the free transcripts are. Got a link?

sa_rose
Member

Rush has a WEBSITE! Hilarious, I never knew that! See, you know MUCH more about Rush than I . Try listening to a wider variety of sources, and perhaps you will not be so delusional. Or not. I’m not comprehending how your obsession with RL tranlates to US being obsessed with Rush.

drb
Member

I did not know he had a website either…not until Olivia said so. I’ll take your word for it as I am no more interested in visiting his website than I am in what he may say on the radio.

sa_rose
Member

See? I told you. You are in some way connected with Rush, no matter that you never listen, and you must simply be lying. ALL those to the Right of O listen to Rush, and parrot his comments. The Great and Magnificent O knows everything.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I’m thinking that My Dear Sweet Olivia listens to Rush more than anyone else here. How else would she know who is parroting him?

poppajoe49
Member

That’s the point, she has no clue!

Olivia
Member

See? I told you. You are in some way connected with Rush, no matter that you never listen, and you must simply be lying. ALL those to the Right of O listen to Rush, and parrot his comments. The Great and Magnificent O knows everything.
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I never said that, Rose, or anything like it. That’s a very Limbaughesque ploy, to make competence and knowledge sound ridiculous. And it plays very well to the far right, who can’t seem to feel good about themselves without putting down everyone who doesn’t look, walk , talk, vote and/or worship (or drive!) exactly as they think proper.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

If I were to parrot anyone well known in the media, it would be John Stossel. He’s a Libertarian, like me. Rush is a staunch Republican, and I believe that Republicans deserve much of the blame for the situation that we are in. Libertarians believe in the Constitution, which the Republicrat party uses for toilet paper.

I’m also a big fan of Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell. Imagine that, a white racist, not only respecting, but actually agreeing with the opinions of black men.

drb
Member

I read much of Sowell’s work as well as William’s. I appriciate their viewpoints greatly. They have certainly made me stop and think about things that have never occured to me prior.

sa_rose
Member

Of course you have said that! Over and over again, when we try to explain that we are not followers of Rush, you simply cannot accept it, and infer we are lying about not listening. Hell, Poppa doesn’t even live in a Rush market, yet he is a rabid Rush follower in your mind. I have NEVER been to a website for Rush, and the fact that you have shows you pay more attention to him that I. I realize I am beating my head against a brick wall, but I hate giving up on people. Even you.

Not so silent
Member

Olivia gets all hot and horny thinking about a threesome with Glen Beck and Rush….

poppajoe49
Member

That may be, but they haven’t given their opinions about that yet.

sa_rose
Member

Breaking news! Nidal Hassan (the guy who shot up Ft Hood?) has a family member, (brother I believe) who has started a proAmerica, anti Mulim terrorism charity as a counter to Hassan’s action. FINALLY! ONE guy is accepting responsibility for the problem within his religion and is trying to counter act it, root it out, and support America in what she does.

Sidekick
Member

That is welcome news. Let’s hope he is successful.

john
Member

That is good news, finally a muslum with some balls and patriotism, don’t have a problem with someone like that. The left will probably lable him a muslum uncle Tom.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Or a racist.

beanhead54
Guest

s_a: “FINALLY! ONE guy is accepting responsibility for the problem within his religion and is trying to counter act it, root it out, and support America in what she does.”

It’s his cousin, and I salute his actions:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts-law/cousin-of-accused-fort-hood-shooter-launches-muslim-charity-in-advance-of-sept-11-anniversary/2011/09/01/gIQAbJleuJ_story.html

Olivia
Member

I will give you one example: on another thread you insisted that the DREAM Act was passed and signed legislation. You were and are wrong.
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Not true. I merely pointed out that the DREAM Act is an example of LEGISLATION. In contrast to what the previous poster, who was busy parroting that urban legend about Obama’s “executive fiat,” was claiming.

Kip Hooker
Member

“Not true. I merely pointed out that the DREAM Act is an example of LEGISLATION. In contrast to what the previous poster, who was busy parroting that urban legend about Obama’s “executive fiat,” was claiming.”

Legislation:
1 the act of making or enacting laws.
2. a law or a body of laws enacted.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legislation

Sorry Oblivia. The DREAM act was not made into a law. The DREAM act was never a law and most certainly was never enacted. That means (at least according to that right wing propaganda site dictionary.com) that it was not legislation. As usual, fail.

Obama used his executive power to decree that certain laws did not have to be enforced uniformly. Without enforcing these laws several key goals of the DREAM act can be implemented at the discretion of the administration . . . and, perhaps as importantly, denied to those that are least beneficial to the forwarding of the administration’s desires.

For further reference please see the following:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiat
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/executive

Olivia
Member

“Not true. I merely pointed out that the DREAM Act is an example of LEGISLATION. In contrast to what the previous poster, who was busy parroting that urban legend about Obama’s “executive fiat,” was claiming.”

Legislation:
1 the act of making or enacting laws.
2. a law or a body of laws enacted.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legislation

Sorry Oblivia. The DREAM act was not made into a law. The DREAM act was never a law and most certainly was never enacted.
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I didn’t say it was. I said it was an example of LEGISLATION. You’re correct that it hasn’t been made into law, but I don’t think we’ve seen the last of it yet.

The very fact that the right wants to drastically cut government spending will necessitate some changes in illegal immigration policies and practices. And, while Obama certainly can’t (and isn’t currently trying to) push through legislative acts on his own, he’s far from impotent.

You far righters sneer at him and call him an “empty suit”—but then, when he takes initiative that you don’t want him to take, all of a sudden you start screaming that he’s a dictator. If you could learn to keep your stories straight, your endless accusations might be a LITTLE bit more credible….

Kip Hooker
Member

“I merely pointed out that the DREAM Act is an example of LEGISLATION.”

If it is not passed by the legislature it cannot be considered legislation.

“And, while Obama certainly can’t (and isn’t currently trying to) push through legislative acts on his own, he’s far from impotent.

That is why the term “executive” and not “legislative” fiat was used. I am sorry if this distinction is beyond you. Although in our system each of the branch is empowered with certain features of the others to serve in a system of checks and balances. I suppose you still haven’t read the Constitution yet. Seriously Oblivia if you not going to familiarize yourself with the relevant material you’re never going to stop looking like an idiot that doesn’t know what legislation is, what fiat is, what corpratism is, what classical liberalism is, what the progressive income tax system is …

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Third?

Olivia
Member

It is interesting to note that you consider Snopes to be a News Source.
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It deals in facts, though, rather than opinions and rabble rousing, as the two right wing sources cited do. Which makes it a more reliable source, no matter how you try to discredit it.
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Regardless a more careful reading of their post would have revealed the following to you:

Although the Dream Act has not been passed by Congress, in August 2011 the Obama administration announced it would begin using prosecutorial discretion in deportation cases along guidelines similar to those outlined in that proposed legislation:

The Obama administration announced that it would suspend deportation proceedings against many illegal immigrants who pose no threat to national security or public safety.
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I’m afraid I’m not seeing the part stating that Obama used “executive fiat” to push through the DREAM Act—or reasonable facsimile thereof. THis part states only that cases will be reviewed on an individual basis. It has nothing to do with extending amnesty to all illegal immigrants.
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Perhaps that is why Snopes tagged this “rumor” as “mostly true”.
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No, that isn’t it. It was tagged “mostly true,” because the rumor they were addressing concerned the contents of the DREAM Act, which wasn’t the issue being disputed here. I posted it, because it still debunked that popular “Obama used ‘executive fiat’!” claim you guys are all in a tizzy about.

(You would have known that, if YOU’D read it carefully.) 😉

Kip Hooker
Member

“Although the Dream Act has not been passed by Congress, in August 2011 the Obama administration announced it would begin using prosecutorial discretion in deportation cases along guidelines similar to those outlined in that proposed legislation:

The Obama administration announced that it would suspend deportation proceedings against many illegal immigrants who pose no threat to national security or public safety.

The new policy is expected to help thousands of illegal immigrants who came to the United States as young children, graduated from high school and want to go on to college or serve in the armed forces.

White House and immigration officials said they would exercise “prosecutorial discretion” to focus enforcement efforts on cases involving criminals and people who have flagrantly violated immigration laws.

Under the new policy, the secretary of homeland security, Janet Napolitano, can provide relief, on a case-by-case basis, to young people who are in the country illegally but pose no threat to national security or to the public safety.

The decision would, through administrative action, help many intended beneficiaries of legislation that has been stalled in Congress for a decade. The sponsor of the legislation, Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, has argued that “these young people should not be punished for their parents’ mistakes.”

Mr. Durbin said he believed the new policy would stop the deportation of most people who would qualify for relief under his bill, known as the Dream Act (formally the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act).”

There you go Oblivia. Now if you have any problems with the words you’re not familiar just use the context clues.

This might help you as well
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiat
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/executive

You see when a person uses their authority to make a decree (for example circumventing laws by instructing their law enforcement agents to only selectively enforce laws) it can be considered “executive fiat”. Gee, aren’t words swell!

Sidekick
Member

She will never concede the point. She lacks moral courage, common sense, knowledge, and intellectual curiosity. She has been caught in lie after lie and she will just bludgeon her accuser to death with a novel-length reply. Pathetic but entertaining.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I wonder, if I looked really hard, if I could find a law that I could break, as an American Citizen, for which I would be rewarded rather than incarcerated.

Sidekick
Member

You don’t have those rights. For example, only the Hispanics, who may be here illegally, have the right not to be asked for ID during a routine traffic stop. In fact, the federal family sued Arizona for enforcing federal immigration laws.

Olivia
Member

I wonder, if I looked really hard, if I could find a law that I could break, as an American Citizen, for which I would be rewarded rather than incarcerated.
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Ask Cheney. He has a special talent for wallowing in the manure and coming up smelling like a rose. It’s a highly prized Republican skill.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

So, my Dear Sweet Olivia, what law are you saying that I, as an American Citizen, can break and be rewarded rather than incarcerated? Please, be specific, and make sure that it is a law that pertains to me, as an American Citizen. One who doesn’t have any legislators or administrations in my back pocket.

fredfred
Member

You certainly spin your wheels arguing over semantics, grammar, punctuation and anything else beside the point. Why don’t you spend a bit of time actually substantiating your stance?
So it wasn’t exactly an executive fiat – it was still a marching order from the President of the United States to the Directors of ICE and DHS to halt all deportation and begin to implement the key elements of the Dream Act.
What would you call this? Sidestepping the Legislative Branch of the Government is no small matter – I’m sure if this were done by a President affiliated with the political leanings you so vehemently loathe, you’d be all over it as another case in point about how Conservatives want to rule the world.
So what is your stance? Regardless of whether it be a social program or a rich guy tax break do you really think it is okay for a sitting President to sidestep a branch of government? (I am aware that other Presidents have done this and need no schooling to that effect).
It would be a nice change of pace if you could refrain from the usual snark and just answer the question.

Olivia
Member

You certainly spin your wheels arguing over semantics, grammar, punctuation and anything else beside the point. Why don’t you spend a bit of time actually substantiating your stance?
So it wasn’t exactly an executive fiat – it was still a marching order from the President of the United States to the Directors of ICE and DHS to halt all deportation and begin to implement the key elements of the Dream Act.
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No, it wasn’t a “marching order.” Why do you righties always have to get so melodramatic in your rhetoric? Which of your favorite infotainers fed you that term? *
Now, please show me the directive that stated SPECIFICALLY that “all deportation” is to be “halted,” and that “key elements of the DREAM Act” are to be “implemented.”

Either that, or you could just admit that you’re embellishing the issue beyond recognition.
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What would you call this? Sidestepping the Legislative Branch of the Government is no small matter – I’m sure if this were done by a President affiliated with the political leanings you so vehemently loathe, you’d be all over it as another case in point about how Conservatives want to rule the world.
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Not being a legal expert, I need to get more information before judging. But, when I look for more information about the constitutionality of this action, I’ll consult a real legal site, not some nutball Obamaphobe like “Gateway Pundit.” That IS, after all, where you lifted those melodramatic buzzwords posted above, is it not? They’re all there—–right after his loony accusation that Obama is “quietly appoint(ing) MUslim Brotherhood to key posts.”
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It would be a nice change of pace if you could refrain from the usual snark and just answer the question.
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Now, why would I want to do that, when clearly you have no intention of abandoning your own “snark”? 😀

fredfred
Member

Your very own link to Snopes clearly demonstrates the similarities.

Here’s a link to a CNN article discussing the topic: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/08/26/deportation.policy/index.html?iref=allsearch
Here’s some more:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/team_halting_deportation_of_good_1PR92yflQUKNtTLoeji2WL
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/18/new-dhs-rules-cancel-deportations/

Why would these News Organizations run these stories if this were not happening?

Never looked at the Gateway Pundit before – it does have lots of links and other stuff, but really not my cup of tea.

I do stand corrected in that “all” deportation has not been halted – only “good” cases will be up for review.

DHS is a department of the Executive Branch and receives its direction from the President, does it not? Surely they are not shifting immigration policy on their own. Yep, I’ll give you that “marching Orders” is a bit melodramatic so I’ll just say that however it got done – the new policy was somehow conveyed to DHS.

Snarkless enough?

Olivia
Member

Your very own link to Snopes clearly demonstrates the similarities.

Here’s a link to a CNN article discussing the topic: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/08/26/deportation.policy/index.html?iref=allsearch
Here’s some more:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/team_halting_deportation_of_good_1PR92yflQUKNtTLoeji2WL
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/18/new-dhs-rules-cancel-deportations/

Why would these News Organizations run these stories if this were not happening?
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I don’t understand, Fred. My point was that Obama is not pushing the DREAM Act through, as right wing political manipulators are claiming. I didn’t say there haven’t been changes under his administration—–there are likely to be MANY changes in the next few years, in response to the draconian budget cuts proposed by Republicans—-just that all this “executive fiat” business is a crock, designed to frighten and enrage far righters.

fredfred
Member

You are correct that the President is not pushing the DREAM Act per se. It is, as far as I know, sitting subcommittee at this time. However, the similarities between the new policy and the DREAM Act are there. So, while it is a stretch to call the new policy the DREAM Act, it is not a stretch to see that identical issues are being addressed.

Both parties utilize scare tactics and catch phrases to drum up support – this is not exclusive to the Right. Both parties notoriously use the media to push their agendas through propaganda, name calling and truth stretching. Both parties are comprised of politicians and politicians have demonstrated quite clearly that their main job is to get re-elected. Both parties work their constituencies into frenzies by pointing out how evil the other side is. Referring to someone as a “far righter” , “libtard”, “teabagger” or “left wing whacko” fuels the fire and only serves to stifle cogent discussion.

Olivia
Member

Hey Olivia, I saw this on the recent post column just now:

# Top 10 cars theives hate the most (6)

* Tesslea: Saw a smart car going to the high school today with “Loser Cruiser” written on it, our son said some boys wrote it on the window yesterday… So true.
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And I should care what some high school pranksters wrote on somebody’s car in Tesslea’s home town, because……….?

Personally, I drive a particular car because it has the features I need, and gets me where I need to go, without wasting gas or other resources. I’m having a hard time figuring out why some of you have such a problem with that. 😀

Sidekick
Member

“Personally, I drive a particular car because it has the features I need, and gets me where I need to go, without wasting gas or other resources. I’m having a hard time figuring out why some of you have such a problem with that”

Because a nut like you driving THAT car is a stereotype come to life. It is hilarious. Assuming that you live in a neighborhood with kids, you likely are the laughingstock of the street if your personality out there is anything like it is in here and then to be seen driving that clown car….classic comedy gold. Even better, if Mr. Olivia is in the passenger seat emasculated by being driven around by you….again in THAT car. You progressive far left-wingers are so funny.

Citizen, you will drive that little POS because the State decrees it is the right thing to do. LMFAO!

Olivia
Member

“Personally, I drive a particular car because it has the features I need, and gets me where I need to go, without wasting gas or other resources. I’m having a hard time figuring out why some of you have such a problem with that”

Because a nut like you driving THAT car is a stereotype come to life.
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Only in your mind, Kick. You see, you far righters have been fed so many bogus stereotypes (to manipulate your perceptions and reactions, you see) that you can’t react to anything except in a stereotyped manner.

Odd that you call my car a “POS” when you have zero experience with owning or driving them. I suspect it comes from that obvious need of yours to appear big and macho in every way. Your ego is simply too fragile to express approval of any car that doesn’t create the image you’re anxious to convey of yourself. And, of course, since you can’t handle being connected to the image a Smartcar projects, you don’t think anyone else should be, either. Classic “I describe myself as a libertarian, but I lwant to run everyone else’s lives for them” mentality.

Me? I don’t care in the least what you drive, nor would it change my impression of you in any way. But I’m dead certain you drive whatever sort of car you think will enhance your image, regardless of its cost effectiveness, affordability or environmental impact.

That trait is glaringly obvious in everything you say here.

Sidekick
Member

“And, of course, since you can’t handle being connected to the image a Smartcar projects, you don’t think anyone else should be, either. Classic “I describe myself as a libertarian, but I lwant to run everyone else’s lives for them” mentality.”

Olivia, it is not about handling the image of driving that POS. It is more about why would I want to drive a Smart car. Period. You fell for the marketing message.

I won’t tell you what I drive because you wouldn’t believe me, besides it is a company car provided by the manufacturer I work for. I don’t own it. My wife’s car? We bought it three months ago and she loves it. Try and guess. I will tell you if you are right. I guarantee it will devastate your preconceived idea about me. Hint: It is not a hybrid.

Olivia
Member

. It is more about why would I want to drive a Smart car. Period. You fell for the marketing message.
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Not true. I’ve known about Smartcars ever since they made their appearance in France, many years before anyone here in the U.S. ever heard of them. I liked them there because they’re very maneuverable (and you don’t fully appreciate maneuverability until you’ve tried driving and parking in Paris), easy on gas, and roomy enough for two. Neither my husband nor I knew or cared about any “marketing message”—-we simply saw them, liked them, and realized that a Smartcar would suit our purposes perfectly as a second vehicle.
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I won’t tell you what I drive because you wouldn’t believe me, besides it is a company car provided by the manufacturer I work for.
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As I already pointed out, my boy, I’m not the least bit interested in what kind of car you drive. I’m not in the habit of judging or stereotyping people, based on their belongings—just on the way they CHOOSE to depict themselves.

sa_rose
Member

Ahhhh. The French connection. Now all becomes clear.

Olivia
Member

Ahhhh. The French connection. Now all becomes clear.
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Why not? France is as famed for its engineering as the U.S. is for its entrepreneurs.

sa_rose
Member

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That is so completely NOT the point! See? No reading comprehension.

Sidekick
Member

“As I already pointed out, my boy, I’m not the least bit interested in what kind of car you drive. I’m not in the habit of judging or stereotyping people, based on their belongings—just on the way they CHOOSE to depict themselves.”

We could have had some fun playing the guessing game. Your loss.

BTW, the Smart car is ancient by auto standards. It has been available in Europe since the late 1990s. Bet you didn’t know that Swatch was a partner and helped them design the interesting dealership architecture that mimicked a department store watch display case? I only saw those stores in Italy but it was clever. The cars are perfect for the narrow roads in European cities. Here, with a totally different car culture, they look really out of place and stupid. That isn’t just my opinion. Sales have declined and Benz took over the distribution rights from Penske Automotive this year, which had given up on the car, simply to inflate its CAFE. That might be enough to save the brand in the US since CAFE standards are about to rise 35-50 percent over the next ten years.

poppajoe49
Member

BTW, if you want the real scoop on Olivia’s car, read this!

The Fortwo also comes with safety concerns. The 2010 model received good ratings from the insurance industry, but it only gets such high ratings because crash tests were done with cars of comparable size. If the Fortwo hit a larger car, the outcome would not be pleasant.

“After striking the front of the [Mercedes Benz] C class, the Smart went airborne and turned around 450 degrees,” the Insurance Industry for Highway Safety says in a press release on their new crash tests. “This contributed to excessive movement of the dummy during rebound — a dramatic indication of the Smart’s poor performance but not the only one. There was extensive intrusion into the space around the dummy from head to feet. The instrument panel moved up and toward the dummy. The steering wheel was displaced upward. Multiple measures of injury likelihood, including those on the dummy’s head, were poor, as were measures on both legs.”

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Smart_ForTwo/

Sidekick
Member

Yeah, you can not overcome physics.

poppajoe49
Member

I would love to see the video of the Dumb car going airborn and spinning!
Hmmm, spinning, like Olivia when she posts!

Sidekick
Member

There was another video I read about of a Smart car being hit by a SUV and it bounced like a beach ball. That video was taken down but the description sounded pretty nasty.

poppajoe49
Member

The Smart car, the Pinto of the 21st century!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I think I would prefer the Pinto. At least it had a choice of a transmission that worked well. And the Pinto engine was actually a pretty stout little four-banger. The only one I can think of at the time that was all cast iron.

beanhead54
Guest

“Multiple measures of injury likelihood, including those on the dummy’s head, were poor, as were measures on both legs.”

Got quite a snork from thinking that the term “the dummy” and “Slowlivia” are so easily interchangeable.

poppajoe49
Member

At least the dummys have an excuse, they were made without a brain. Olivia resists using hers.

drb
Member

“After striking the front of the [Mercedes Benz] C class, the Smart went airborne and turned around 450 degrees,” the Insurance Industry for Highway Safety says in a press release on their new crash tests.”

Can you imagine how it would fair against a semi??

sa_rose
Member

Squashed like a bug.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

“crash tests were done with cars of comparable size.”

Tonka toys?

CO2Insanity
Admin

She probably has a Le Car, AKA Le Junque

Sidekick
Member

That’s why Penske got rid of the whole brand. It was a drag on his company. Benz took over to prop up their CAFE.

Olivia
Member

My friend who sells them says they are pieces of crap.
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Your friend knowingly and intentionally sells “crap” to the public?

Doesn’t say much for his business ethics.

Sidekick
Member

Nor your purchasing judgment.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Just think how many people are out there trying to sell Obamamobiles right now. Oh, I’m sorry, Government Motors vehicles.

sa_rose
Member

How reassuring is THAT? The would simply never make it in Texas. Our distances are too long, and our other vehicles are too big. I used to drive a VW Bug, and I’m telling you, that was scary enough, wedged between 3 (or 4) semis on IH 35. I can’t even feature trying to negotiate that with a smart car.

Sidekick
Member

Hey Olivia, I saw this on the recent post column just now:

# Top 10 cars theives hate the most (6)

* Tesslea: Saw a smart car going to the high school today with “Loser Cruiser” written on it, our son said some boys wrote it on the window yesterday… So true.

Trickie
Member

Hasn’t most people on this planet been killed in the name of whoevers god they though was supreme. crusades, inquistons, etc.

sa_rose
Member

No, most were killed by disease and malnutriton. Next in line would be wars, that are fough for power, control and wealth, no matter what attribution they make to “god.”

beanhead54
Guest

Sk: “I believe she thrives on the abuse otherwise why would she be so nasty herself?”

Hey I’ll readily admit to being overly abusive, rude, mean-spirited- whatever you want to call it to this woman, but she is way over the top wrong and abusive on countless topics. People who play the race card endlessly are one of my worst pet peeves. Talking in circles when clear evidence has been produced in countless variations sends mee off the ceiling.

If she wants to play a name-calling game, I’ve got my cleats in the car.

Sidekick
Member

Oh, I’m with you. I find her behavior to fit the treatment she receives. She has no argument just invective. Right out of the progressive playbook.

sa_rose
Member

She even argues with herself! How many tims has she posted one thing, then posted the opposite later in the same thread? Or denied she made the post to begin with, like we can’t check their veracity!

Sidekick
Member

I personally am very entertained when she is posting.

poppajoe49
Member

She even argues with herself

She must have read Glenn Beck’s “Arguing with Idiots”!

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Slowlivia: “I, in turn, will continue to post as the spirit moves me”

Ok, now I understand. It’s a case of complete inebriation. She’s been dipping into the spirits again.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Beanhead, as much as you ordinarily don’t like to do it, sometimes being “overly abusive, rude, mean-spirited” is just the right thing to do.

Olivia
Member

Sk: “I believe she thrives on the abuse otherwise why would she be so nasty herself?”

Hey I’ll readily admit to being overly abusive, rude, mean-spirited- whatever you want to call it to this woman, but she is way over the top wrong and abusive on countless topics. People who play the race card endlessly are one of my worst pet peeves. Talking in circles when clear evidence has been produced in countless variations sends mee off the ceiling.

If she wants to play a name-calling game, I’ve got my cleats in the car.
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Why would you need “cleats” to discuss politics on an internet forum, Beanhead? 😉

Interesting that you have a problem with people “playing the race card,” but haven’t uttered a peep of protest at any of the far righters who’ve done so here. That, in fact, is classic far right wing mentality: many won’t discuss such volatile issues unless THEY can control the whole discussion, using homemade “facts” and “logic,” and blaming everyone but themselves for the state of race relations today.

beanhead54
Guest

Slowlivia: “but haven’t uttered a peep of protest at any of the far righters who’ve done so here.”

Wrong again, pea brain. I’ve gone after that cretin “gibmesome” more than once. Get your facts straight.

Oh, I forgot who I was responding to for a minute…..

Olivia
Member

Slowlivia: “but haven’t uttered a peep of protest at any of the far righters who’ve done so here.”

Wrong again, pea brain. I’ve gone after that cretin “gibmesome” more than once. Get your facts straight.
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I’ve never seen you do it, Beanhead. In any case, that poster is pretty obviously a spoof.

Sidekick
Member

In any case, that poster is pretty obviously a spoof.

Pot kettle.

poppajoe49
Member

In any case, that poster is pretty obviously a spoof.

Obviously a left winger spoofing righties. Is that why you don’t go after him?

sa_rose
Member

From Olivia, August 26, 2011 4:40

For that reason. I’m going to leave you guys to play “Who’s The Biggest Bigot?” all by yourselves. There, you see? I’m doing you a favor. Now you can parrot all the bigotry you want, and congratulate each other’s ability to use juvenile name calling as a debate tactic, and convince yourself that you’re looking clever and well-informed.

So why are you still here?

Olivia
Member

For that reason. I’m going to leave you guys to play “Who’s The Biggest Bigot?” all by yourselves. There, you see? I’m doing you a favor. Now you can parrot all the bigotry you want, and congratulate each other’s ability to use juvenile name calling as a debate tactic, and convince yourself that you’re looking clever and well-informed.

So why are you still here?
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One reason only: because Barb challenged me to produce some anti-Muslim posts. When I came back to get some to cite, I noticed so much provocative nonsense and misinformation posted here that I ended up jumping in, despite my better judgment.

I’m sure you’ve never done anything similar, of course.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

So, did you find anything to cite? Or did you just post more nonsense, forgetting all about the original challenge?

sa_rose
Member

Do YOU see any new citations? Or just more of the same? You just answered your own question!

Sidekick
Member

What would your debate tactic be? The only provocation on this entire board comes from you. The rest of us are open to discussion, debate, and sharing ideas. You come in here and talk shit and then act surprised when we call you out and make fun of you. You’ve put the bullseye on your back, not us.

Olivia
Member

What would your debate tactic be? The only provocation on this entire board comes from you. The rest of us are open to discussion, debate, and sharing ideas.
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……as long as the ideas in question are consistent with far right wing doctrine.

Otherwise, your mind is locked up like Fort Knox……but without any gold inside.

David Bishop
Member

Oh yes, because we haven’t talked about the possibility of God. Or evolution. Or homosexuality. Or drug liberation. Oh… wait.

Good job with the Fort Knox gold pun. I could not believe you would be able to come up with something like that on your own, so I googled it.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=%22mind+is+locked+up+like+fort+knox%22+no+gold&pbx=1&oq=%22mind+is+locked+up+like+fort+knox%22+no+gold&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=9228l12204l1l12516l2l2l0l0l0l0l121l228l0.2l2l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3662db560ec7ee52&biw=1680&bih=931

Twilight, REALLY?

sa_rose
Member

BUSTED!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sidekick
Member

That is awesome. The Troll drives a Smart car and watches Twilight movies. The whole picture is coming into focus. How many cats do you own, Olivia?

sa_rose
Member

And doesn’t own a TV, but reads Huffpo. No wonder she is ignorant!

Sidekick
Member

The Mother Jones link was a nice touch. She is a caricature of the left wing loon. I love it!

Olivia
Member

The Mother Jones link was a nice touch. She is a caricature of the left wing loon. I love it!
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Can you refute the information provided in the excerpt from that article?

If not, then I’m afraid it still stands, regardless of your personal prejudices toward the source. 😉

Sidekick
Member

If I could find your post I’d take another look but with dozens of thumbed down posts I’m not about to go dumpster diving for your nonsense. That said, you got a little prickly there yet you feel free to call out mine and others’ links. I do try to avoid the opinion pieces and blogs unless they are linked to news, government, or other valid sources. I think you could dig a little deeper than a left leaning blog site when you research. It would help your cause.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

More turds.

poppajoe49
Member

The Troll drives a Smart car and watches Twilight movies. The whole picture is coming into focus. How many cats do you own, Olivia?

Probably lives in an apartment, so parakeets make more sense.

Olivia
Member

If I could find your post I’d take another look but with dozens of thumbed down posts I’m not about to go dumpster diving for your nonsense.
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Then you understand perfectly why I don’t always respond to people’s challenges to MY posts. It can be difficult finding the post in question, especially since most of you seem to be allergic to quoting the part you’re responding to.

But, just because it’s you, the Mother Jones excerpt you’re trying to discredit stated that Phelps and his congregation picketed the funeral of Al Gore Sr. “because, according to Phelps, his son ‘sold his soul to the fag agenda.'” http://motherjones.com/politics/1999/03/man-who-loves-hate
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That said, you got a little prickly there yet you feel free to call out mine and others’ links. I do try to avoid the opinion pieces and blogs unless they are linked to news, government, or other valid sources. I think you could dig a little deeper than a left leaning blog site when you research. It would help your cause.
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Not a “left leaning blog site,” Kick. It’s a magazine article, and the information I cited therein isn’t subjective.

Now, go ahead and refute it if you can—or admit that you’re just trying to discredit it without actually going to the work of checking the facts.

Sidekick
Member

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. To discredit or marginalize the WBC is not difficult and in this case MJ found an interesting and probably valid piece to add to its site. I assume that if and when I link to Americanthinker.com you will be as accepting of that piece too if it is in fact credible – which it will be.

Olivia
Member

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.
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So you admit that the excerpt I cited was factual? And that, therefore, the attempt to depict Gore Jr. and Fred Phelps as allies is far fetched at best? Thank you.
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To discredit or marginalize the WBC is not difficult and in this case MJ found an interesting and probably valid piece to add to its site. I assume that if and when I link to Americanthinker.com you will be as accepting of that piece too if it is in fact credible – which it will be.
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American Thinker, from what I’ve seen, is merely a bunch of opinion pieces that tell only one side of the story—–the side supporting the far right wing agenda. What’s more, every piece I’ve ever seen there (and I’ve seen a lot of them, since far righters love to cite it as a source) tends to direct the reader’s emotional reaction.

But, if you want to use it to support a point you’re making, I’ll be glad to look at it. Just don’t be surprised if I end up pointing out some of the fallacies, stereotypes, not-quite-accurate paraphrasings and propaganda techniques that are rife in many of its offerings.

Sidekick
Member

“Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.
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So you admit that the excerpt I cited was factual? And that, therefore, the attempt to depict Gore Jr. and Fred Phelps as allies is far fetched at best? Thank you.”

I have no idea if it is factual or not. I also wrote that I was not interested in researching the validity (since there were no embedded citations, I was not about to do the legwork) of the piece because it is irrelevant to the thread.

“American Thinker, from what I’ve seen, is merely a bunch of opinion pieces…”

As are Mother Jones, HuffPo, and Kos. The difference between my sources and yours is that I make every effort to use sources where the writers embed links in their articles for citation purposes where the content may may be seen as subjective. You wont be able to refute those links. I would expect you to disagree but you wont be able to point to them and say that they are invalid. I noticed that when I thumped you with FBI data about gun violence and its higher rate in places where the laws or more restrictive you could not refute because while my source was a blog, the writer directly linked to the DOJ and FBI websites to include supporting data. In that same thread I also linked to an article from the Chicago Tribune with an abstract talking about the higher gun crime rate due to tougher gun laws in that city. That is just one of the 10 or 15 items that I mentioned earlier where you have lost the debate.

It came as no surprise that you ran away from that discussion as you have with so many others.

Have you researched the political party affiliation of the leadership in the most dysfunctional cities and of the Blue States over the past 40 years? I was very clear in stating what I was looking (highest teen pregnancy, highest crime rates, least balanced budgets, highest taxes etc) for but it seem you shrunk from that challenge too.

sa_rose
Member

A seriouly left leaning magazine since its iniception. You are not using a reputable site for your citations. I mean, I’m sure that I could find the equivalent of Pedophile News that says abusing kids is ok, but that doesn’t make it right. You denigrate any perceived left wing sites we cite, so to be fair, you can’t use completely left wing souces for your arguments. Besides, have the media available is left leaning.

poppajoe49
Member

Then you understand perfectly why I don’t always respond to people’s challenges to MY posts.

No, the post challenging you usually is right below the one you posted, therefore you should have no problem finding your own post.

OMG!!! Look who I am talking to!
Never mind.

Olivia
Member

“Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.
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So you admit that the excerpt I cited was factual? And that, therefore, the attempt to depict Gore Jr. and Fred Phelps as allies is far fetched at best? Thank you.”
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I have no idea if it is factual or not. I also wrote that I was not interested in researching the validity (since there were no embedded citations, I was not about to do the legwork) of the piece because it is irrelevant to the thread.
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Translation: “I can’t refute it, but I lack the guts and honesty to admit it.”

Uh huh. That’s exactly what I would have predicted, Kick. Obviously, you’re no Abraham Lincoln, and, in terms of courage, you’re no Teddy Roosevelt, either. 😉
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“American Thinker, from what I’ve seen, is merely a bunch of opinion pieces…”
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As are Mother Jones, HuffPo, and Kos.
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Mother Jones is a magazine, my boy. I was quoting an article from that magazine, not a blog entry. Huffington Post has many opinion pieces, but it also has reprints (or whatever you’d call them in cyberspace) of articles from other sources, many of which aren’t opinion pieces. Did you really not know that?

As for Daily Kos: I don’t frequent it, and I don’t remember ever having cited it in any political discussion, so I can’t imagine why you’re even bringing it up here. Trying to sneak in a bit of bogus stereotyping again?
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The difference between my sources and yours is that I make every effort to use sources where the writers embed links in their articles for citation purposes where the content may may be seen as subjective. You wont be able to refute those links.
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Not necessarily true, Kick. Depends on the link, and the nature of the claim being made. It’s also untrue that I don’t use sources with links—-in fact, I’ve posted many such sources here in the past.
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I would expect you to disagree but you wont be able to point to them and say that they are invalid. I noticed that when I thumped you with FBI data about gun violence and its higher rate in places where the laws or more restrictive you could not refute because while my source was a blog, the writer directly linked to the DOJ and FBI websites to include supporting data. In that same thread I also linked to an article from the Chicago Tribune with an abstract talking about the higher gun crime rate due to tougher gun laws in that city.
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But, you see, that’s where you and your buddies often tend to slip up: you ASSUME a cause/effect relationship that might not actually be valid. Mind you, I’m not saying that that is or isn’t the case here—just pointing out that statistics alone don’t always provide an accurate picture.

The classic example of that particular fallacy is: “More ice cream is consumed during the summer than at any other time during the year. More people drown during the summer than at any other time of the year. Therefore, ice cream is the main cause of drowning.”
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That is just one of the 10 or 15 items that I mentioned earlier where you have lost the debate.

It came as no surprise that you ran away from that discussion as you have with so many others.
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As EVERYONE here does, with the possible exception of Poopajoe, who appears to have unlimited time to spend on this website.

Come one, Kick, get honest for once in your life. You just argued that you don’t have time for “dumpster diving” (translation: backing up your claim that my information source was invalid)—so it’s pretty dishonest of you to assume that, when I’m not Johnny-on-the-spot every time you challenge me, I’m “running away.”

Don’t forget that I’m working solo here, whereas you have 20 or 25 buddies supporting you, running interference for you and charging to your rescue when you get your tail in a crack. If I had to respond directly to every post here that challenges me, there wouldn’t be enough hours in the day to do it.
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Have you researched the political party affiliation of the leadership in the most dysfunctional cities and of the Blue States over the past 40 years? I was very clear in stating what I was looking (highest teen pregnancy, highest crime rates, least balanced budgets, highest taxes etc) for but it seem you shrunk from that challenge too.
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Another example of cause/effect fallacy. Because you read some statistics indicating that cities (with all the social problems inherent to city living, including pockets of poverty) often tend to have Democratic mayors, you jumped to the conclusion that Democratic mayors are directly responsible for teen pregnancy rates, crime rates and difficulty balancing budgets.

The far right propaganda machine relies heavily on cause/effect fallacies, and I see a lot of their devotees eating them up unquestioningly.

But, if you were a thinker rather than a knee/jerk reactor, you might stop to ask yourself: What are the causes and contributing factors to high rates of teen pregnancies? Based on what you and your fellow sexists have said here, the biggest one is girls failing “to keep their legs together.” Perhaps, then, you’d like to show me some statistics indicating that teenage girls are more likely “to keep their legs together” if there’s a Republican running the city, than if it’s being run by a Democrat.

Keep trying, Kick. I know you fancy yourself to be a particularly well informed and logical fellow, but I also notice that you have a really hard time telling the difference between subjective and objective, and between logic and fallacy.

Sidekick
Member

I see you are masterbating again, Olivia. I’ve made my case(s) Judging by the other posters’ responses with thumbing me up and yours being immediately rejected, I’d say I’ve won in the arena of ideas. Your pathetic desire for validation is not going to happen. If you are unhappy with that, too bad.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Or maybe parrots?

sa_rose
Member

I don’t thinks she has pets, except maybe fish. She is not cuddly, and doesn’t come across as nurturing. Besides, who would care of them while she’s in France?

Olivia
Member

That is awesome. The Troll drives a Smart car and watches Twilight movies. The whole picture is coming into focus. How many cats do you own, Olivia?
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Translation: “She just debunked the myth that Gore Jr. and Fred Phelps are political allies, and I can’t refute it—-so I’ll try to discredit her instead by making up silly stereotypes about her personal life.”

Hey, Kick, I can make up stereotypes just as well as you can. How about we just forget politics and see who can imagine the dumbest sounding scenario about each other’s personal life? I’ll start with that carefully macho icon of yours, the one with the left leg that looks rather like a penis, and make some vague assumptions about it being an attempt to overcompensate. Would that suit your intellectual level better than, say, debunking urban legends and pointing out lapses in logic? @@

(NOTE FOR THE CONCRETE THINKERS: No, the above proposal and speculation wasn’t serious, or meant to be taken literally—so no need to come charging in here to defend Kick’s honor.) 😉

Sidekick
Member

Yawn

sa_rose
Member

Gee, I never really connected SK’s gravitar as being phallic. It is a visual representation of his name. Get your mind out of the gutter, Olivia. Man, you are desparate.

Sidekick
Member

Second time she did that. I think Olivia is turned on by my Gravatar. While it has nothing to do with anything other than that I practice martial arts, she is yelling out to the board that she needs to get laid. Surely, there is someone out there willing….for pay if necessary.

Olivia
Member

Second time she did that. I think Olivia is turned on by my Gravatar. While it has nothing to do with anything other than that I practice martial arts, she is yelling out to the board that she needs to get laid. Surely, there is someone out there willing….for pay if necessary.
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Sorry, Mr. Macho Wannabe, but I neither “need” nor want sex from you or the rest of your Walter Mitty buddies here. I’m here to discuss politics, not to serve as an audience to your Fierce Warrior/Porn Star fantasies. 😉

(And it does, too, look like a penis.) 😉

Sidekick
Member

“Sorry, Mr. Macho Wannabe, but I neither “need” nor want sex from you or the rest of your Walter Mitty buddies here. I’m here to discuss politics, not to serve as an audience to your Fierce Warrior/Porn Star fantasies”

Not buying that you are sexually obsessed one here. I most certainly was not making you an offer. It is you that has now TWICE made a phallic reference to my gravatar. You are a pervert. Own it and find someone with which to relieve the pressure. You have made a fool of yourself once more and you will not weasel out of it.

You are here to talk politics? That may be the biggest lie you’ve told yet.

Sidekick
Member

Sorry, Mr. Macho Wannabe, but I neither “need” nor want sex from you or the rest of your Walter Mitty buddies here. I’m here to discuss politics, not to serve as an audience to your Fierce Warrior/Porn Star fantasies

Yet it is you who is obsessed with my gravatar. This sexual fantasy thing that you described is springing from what must be your terribly frustrated libido. TWICE now you have made a phallic reference to it. What is wrong with you, gutter mind?

sa_rose
Member

actually, Olivia, I never saw SK volunteering to provide you with any release. That was made up from whole cloth. He stated perhaps SOMEONE OUT THERE (not him, not anyone on this board) might be convinced to do so if they were paid. Maybe you really are obsessed with him!

RockingHorseGuy
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Thirds. No, my Dear Sweet Olivia, it looks like a martial artist. I’ve seen it quite a few times, and never even considered it being phallic. I guess if that’s what’s on YOUR mind, maybe YOU could, but it would be a stretch.

poppajoe49
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she is yelling out to the board that she needs to get laid. Surely, there is someone out there willing….for pay if necessary.

The sum total of what everyone on this site could beg, borrow, or steal, wouldn’t make a dent in what it would cost to get someone to service her!

drb
Member

OMG, what a sick twisted mind she has to turn that into a phallic symbol.

Olivia
Member

I see you are masterbating again, Olivia. I’ve made my case(s) Judging by the other posters’ responses with thumbing me up and yours being immediately rejected, I’d say I’ve won in the arena of ideas. Your pathetic desire for validation is not going to happen. If you are unhappy with that, too bad.
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My boy, if I were looking for “validation,” as you clearly are, I wouldn’t be posting on a website where liberals like me are feared and detested. I’d go find a website (as you did) where 95% of participants could be counted on to applaud everything I said, no matter how illogical, inaccurate or irrelevant. 😉

Are you really gullible enough to think that getting thumbs-up votes from a bunch of far righters is evidence that you “won” a “debate”? 😀

P.S. Learn the proper spelling of the word “masturbate,” please.
(And you were yapping about OBAMA’S writing errors…..)

Sidekick
Member

So…you are turned on by my gravatar? If follows since your long posts suggest to be the act of one who enjoys playing with herself. I think that you have been surrounded by neutered effete men for so long….Mr Olivia especially….that when a strong male depiction is presented you get all flustered and respond to the wrong poster and make less sense than normal. Finally, to go grammar/spelling Nazi is the final cry of defeat. You appear to be a pathetic (sexually frustrated) progressive loser. Again, your opinions mean nothing.

Olivia
Member

Yet it is you who is obsessed with my gravatar. This sexual fantasy thing that you described is springing from what must be your terribly frustrated libido. TWICE now you have made a phallic reference to it. What is wrong with you, gutter mind?
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My boy, I’m a nurse. In the course of a work week, I see quite a few penises. Yet, unlike you, I don’t tend to think of them as something dirty or evil. They’re an organ, like any other organ in the body, and sometimes they need medical attention. That’s all.

Did I upset you in some way by mentioning them? I guess I just figured that you’d be used to direct anatomical terms, what with being married to a nurse and all. But it sounds as if you’re a little squeamish on the subject. 😉

Sidekick
Member

“Did I upset you in some way by mentioning them?”
No, but you do come across as a horny old crone.

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Here’s something else you might consider phallic, my Dear Sweet Olivia. Turds.

poppajoe49
Member

In the course of a work week, I see quite a few penises.

Is that why you hate men?

RockingHorseGuy
Member

I daresay that my lady, who is a FULLTIME RN, sees at least as many penises as my Dear Sweet Olivia in the performance of her duties. I showed her the Gravatar in question, and asked for her first impression.

“It’s a martial arts guy performing a high kick.”

sa_rose
Member

Sidekick isn’t an “honors” graduate from an Ivy League school, a “brilliant lawyer” and PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! Unless you’ve been holding out on us Kick?

Sidekick
Member

I did not attend an Ivy League university and I am not the the President of the United States. I am also not committed to making an as out of myself and lashing out at a spelling error. I leave that for the Horny Troll.

Olivia
Member

I daresay that my lady, who is a FULLTIME RN, sees at least as many penises as my Dear Sweet Olivia in the performance of her duties. I showed her the Gravatar in question, and asked for her first impression.

“It’s a martial arts guy performing a high kick.”
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Did you ask her if she sees any resemblance to penis?

Of course you didn’t, because you knew what she’d answer. 😉

RockingHorseGuy
Member

As I stated, I asked her what she saw, and she said it was a martial artist performing a kick. Nothing more, nothing less. It is YOU, My Dear Sweet Olivia, who can’t get past your obsession, not the rest of the world. Run along now, and fantasize about Sidekick’s phallus.

poppajoe49
Member

Maybe you only see penis if you aren’t getting any.

David Bishop
Member

You have seen some very weirdly shaped penis’ in your lifetime, Olivia.

Olivia
Member

You have seen some very weirdly shaped penis’ in your lifetime, Olivia.
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Hey, you’ve got that right! I remember this one patient who came in with an abscess once, and, believe it or not, he—–well, maybe this isn’t the place to go into details.

It’s the profession, David. Nurses see a lot of unusual sights (and smell a lot of unusual smells). My husband said that he likes to go out to dinner with me and a group of my coworkers, and watch the reactions of other patrons when we start talking shop.

poppajoe49
Member

My husband said that he likes to go out to dinner with me and a group of my coworkers, and watch the reactions of other patrons when we start talking shop.

That explains alot, he’s as demented as you.

Sidekick
Member

“My husband said that he likes to go out to dinner with me and a group of my coworkers, and watch the reactions of other patrons when we start talking shop.”

Because restaurant patrons enjoy paying for a meal only to have it ruined by a bunch of inconsiderate louts in scrubs going on about “shop”.

That one sentence says so much about you, your husband, and your friends. None of it is good.

RockingHorseGuy
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I think I prefer going out with MY lady and a bunch of her cohorts, and watching people’s reactions when THEY start to talk shop. Not her nursing cohorts, of course. Her bellydancing cohorts.

poppajoe49
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RockingHorseGuy
Member

Yeah, like that, only cuter.

poppajoe49
Member

the left leg that looks rather like a penis

That’s hilarious! I never saw it as that. The psychoanalysis of your representation as seeing it as such would be interesting.
Not getting any Olivia?

RockingHorseGuy
Member

My Dear Sweet Olivia doing a Rorschach Test.

Doc, “What do you see here?”

DSO, “A penis.”

Doc, “And here?”

DSO, “That’s another penis.”

Doc, “Here?”

DSO, “A much larger, more erect penis.”

Doc, “I’m seeing a pattern here. What does this one look like to you?”

DSO, “Hmmm, that could be a martial artist performing a side kick………Or a really erect penis. Do you mind if I take the rest of these pictures home with me?”

Olivia
Member

My Dear Sweet Olivia doing a Rorschach Test.

Doc, “What do you see here?”

DSO, “A penis.”
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Shows just how ignorant you are about the Rorschach test.

It’s considered very normal to perceive images that are common in one’s line of work, even if those images would seem taboo or bizarre to the average guy on the street. That’s why the test is generally administered and evaluated by a licensed psychologist, rather than some right wing rube looking to discredit liberal opponents on a message board. 😉

RockingHorseGuy
Member

Turds. So you admit that that’s the way your test went? But since it was evaluated by a professional, he determined that you weren’t at all obsessed with phallic symbols?

Olivia
Member

I think I prefer going out with MY lady and a bunch of her cohorts, and watching people’s reactions when THEY start to talk shop. Not her nursing cohorts, of course. Her bellydancing cohorts.
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:X

Olivia
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Good job with the Fort Knox gold pun. I could not believe you would be able to come up with something like that on your own, so I googled it.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=%22mind+is+locked+up+like+fort+knox%22+no+gold&pbx=1&oq=%22mind+is+locked+up+like+fort+knox%22+no+gold&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=9228l12204l1l12516l2l2l0l0l0l0l121l228l0.2l2l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3662db560ec7ee52&biw=1680&bih=931

Twilight, REALLY?
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No, David. I’ve never read the Twilight books or seen the movies. Not my kind of thing.

What’s more, the allusion to Fort Knox isn’t a pun, but an analogy—and hardly an uncommon one.

Since you’re so good at googling, though, how about helping Kick out? He wants SOOOOOO badly to accuse me of posting misinformation, but he doesn’t know how to look up a quote like “sold his soul to the fag agenda.” So, instead, he’s been contenting himself with accusing me of using an unreliable source—-except that he can’t explain why he thinks the information in the quote is inaccurate.

Would ANY Of you care to help him out here?

Sidekick
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Good Lord, Olivia! Are you out of your mind? There must be 10 or 15 items that I have crushed you on….socialism, capitalism, basic economics/fiscal policy, political theory, the Constitution, DREAM Act, Nazism etc etc. You cite an article (in a left wing blog site) about something irrelevant to the overall thread that I have zero interest in researching and you are doing a victory lap? Stop embarrassing yourself. Here is an idea: why dont you add to the thread rather than just being a troll? I don’t think you can because you have never exhibited the ability to generate an original thought. There are no shortages of progressive drones (of which I consider you to be one) and try as they might, history simply is not on their side. The current administation’s dismal performance and terrible poll numbers are the latest evidence.

Some of the liberals who contributed to the evolution thread did so in a constructive manner. Given your volume of posts, it is a shame you are not capable of doing the same.

Finally, how many cats do you have? Just because it is a stereotype, it does mean it’s untrue.

poppajoe49
Member

and you are doing a victory lap?

She has so little to celebrate, she takes her victories where she makes them up!

Olivia
Member

Good Lord, Olivia! Are you out of your mind? There must be 10 or 15 items that I have crushed you on….socialism, capitalism, basic economics/fiscal policy, political theory, the Constitution, DREAM Act, Nazism etc etc. You cite an article (in a left wing blog site) about something irrelevant to the overall thread that I have zero interest in researching and you are doing a victory lap?
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No, just pointing out that you lack the guts to admit you were wrong about it.

You see to have a rather fragile macho mentality, as evidenced by the icon you display: you like to use physical combat terminology when you really mean “discuss” or “argue,” and now you’re talking about “victory laps.” My boy, this isn’t a war or an Olympic event—–it’s merely a discussion, and I caught you making an accusation that you were then unable to back up. No “victory lap.” No “victory.” Just pointing out that you tried to pull a fast one, and failed to get away with it.

As for your uber-macho claim that you “crushed’ me in other discussions: you did nothing of the kind. You merely like to THINK you know more than I do about national socialism, because you read some far right wingnut opinion pieces trying to smear contemporary liberals with Nazism. It won’t wash, my boy.

The only comment I’ve made here about the DREAM Act is that it’s a LEGISLATIVE act, not some ploy that Obama singlehandedly created and implemented. I’m sorry if you can’t handle it, but that’s the plain, objective truth, regardless of what Rush Limbaugh says. 😉

Sidekick
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“It won’t wash my boy”

Because your narrow minded progressive mind can not wrap itself around new information. Your opinions do not outweigh my facts. Prove me wrong. Oh and by the way….

Olivia August 30, 2011 at 4:31 pm

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(trying to be patient) THat is because there IS NO LAW. The President issued a decree regarding immigration and amnesty. Never saw the inside of the Congressional buidling. Must of the decree is based in the DREAM act, despite massive voter objection- so he bypassed the voters, their presumed representatives, and did it all by himself.
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Uh…..Rose? The DREAM Act IS Congressional legislation, designed to promote the very practices that you’re accusing Obama of “decreeing all by himself.”

And, by the way, acts of Congress are not subject to popular vote, no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Congress

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Sidekick August 30, 2011 at 5:13 pm

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Uhh, Dumb ass the Dream Act was killed in the Senate because the Dems could not get enough support. Obama “backdoored” it by executive fiat.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/18/senate-tries-pass-dream-act/

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/08/19/backdoor-amnesty-abusing-the-constitution-and-presidential-authority/

You are still going full retard I see. Bad day?

You are a lying sack of crap.

Olivia
Member

Uhh, Dumb ass the Dream Act was killed in the Senate because the Dems could not get enough support. Obama “backdoored” it by executive fiat.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/18/senate-tries-pass-dream-act/

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/08/19/backdoor-amnesty-abusing-the-constitution-and-presidential-authority/

You are still going full retard I see. Bad day?

You are a lying sack of crap.
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I just love it when you righties triumphantly trot out far right wing opinion pieces to “prove” a “fact.” Especially when you’re all using the same buzzwords to describe the issue you’re in a lather over.

I could find NO unbiased source stating that Obama had used “executive fiat” (one of those popular buzzwords) to push through the DREAM Act, or anything based on the DREAM Act—-just right wing blogs and opinion pieces.

So I did what I usually do when you righties are all in a tizzy over such things—-checked out the Urban Legends sites. And, sure enough, there it was. Based on one of those anonymous mass e mails so dear to the hearts of gullible righties, buzzwords and all:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/dreamact.asp
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/Obama-Dream-Act-Executive-Order.htm

As I’ve said before, Rose, any time an opponent starts calling me “dumb ass,” I consider it to be a concession of defeat. And, on this occasion, that certainly seems to be the case.

Next time, try citing a NEWS source instead of a “pass this on to everyone you know!” e mail opinion piece, huh? 😉

Sidekick
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/dreamact.asp
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/Obama-Dream-Act-Executive-Order.htm

As I’ve said before, Rose, any time an opponent starts calling me “dumb ass,” I consider it to be a concession of defeat. And, on this occasion, that certainly seems to be the case.

Next time, try citing a NEWS source instead of a “pass this on to everyone you know!” e mail opinion piece, huh? 😉

Like Fox News and Heritage.org that links to news and government sources.

Snopes and truthorfiction? If I deliberately wanted to use the least credible sources to make a bigger fool of myself I couldn’t have done any better than that. Sorry, Dumbass, if the shoe fits, wear it.

You have been caught again in a lie but being the weasel you are, you will flail, obfuscate, and lie again to deflect the ridicule you so richly deserve.

sa_rose
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Ok, that’s enough bitch. I didn’t post that, someone else did. Get your head out of your ass and pay attention of get the hell off the site. ALL of the site, since you do this same thing on every thread.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/obama-creates-backdoor-am_b_70139...

A second citation from your favorite site. This is exactly what we mean about your denial of reality. HE ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER that stopped the deportation of thousands of illegal immigrants. The DREAM act was never passed in Congress, because there were not enough votes to pass it. You can like or not, you can agree or not, but that is the way it is. Come out of your cave and grow up!

Sidekick
Member

It’s my gravatar, Rose. It really screws her up.

sa_rose
Member

Something certainly is Kick, but since she has done this since before the beginning of time, I don’t think she can blame it on your gravatar. Just her own unlimited stupidity. You know, she’s right (when I said I had issues with stupid people she said it was not a matter of choice to be stupid.) She is unrelentingly, irreparably stupid and blind and there is nothing that will ever change that. In stead she congratulates herself on being so self important.

Kip Hooker
Member

“You see to have a rather fragile macho mentality, as evidenced by the icon you display:”

There is our beloved bigoted Oblivia again. Of course she assumes women couldn’t be into martial arts. She prefers her female protagonists to be all weepy and needy like that Twilight female instead of courageous and powerful like Yim Wing-chun.

Olivia
Member

“You see to have a rather fragile macho mentality, as evidenced by the icon you display:”

There is our beloved bigoted Oblivia again. Of course she assumes women couldn’t be into martial arts. She prefers her female protagonists to be all weepy and needy like that Twilight female instead of courageous and powerful like Yim Wing-chun.
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I made no such generalization about women, Kick. Wasn’t even talking about women. I was referring only to your apparent addiction to combat imagery. Either you take this board WAY too seriously, or you’re trying like crazy (unsuccessfully) to intimidate me.

drb
Member

I made no such generalization about women, Kick.

Once again, try reading the user name. Once again that wasn’t Kick.

Sidekick
Member

“Once again, try reading the user name. Once again that wasn’t Kick.”

She is so obsessed with my gravatar and what she thinks it depicts she can’t think straight. Memories of your lost youth, eh, Olivia?

sa_rose
Member

The only comment I’ve made here about the DREAM Act is that it’s a LEGISLATIVE act, not some ploy that Obama singlehandedly created and implemented. I’m sorry if you can’t handle it, but that’s the plain, objective truth, regardless of what Rush Limbaugh says.

Then you are crazy as well as ill informed. Talk about something that can be researched easily to the ends of the earth. And I even gave you a quote from Huffpo, since you don’t believe any of our “Right Wing” sources. You are not stating truth, even to yourself. You are being obtuse, arguing for the sake of argument itself, not to communicate information, provide new viewpoints or anyting else positive. You have never had the guts to admit when YOU were wrong, despite solid information showing it so. And again NO ONE HERE LISTENS TO RUSH!

Kip Hooker
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@ Oblivia

“I could find NO unbiased source stating that Obama had used “executive fiat” (one of those popular buzzwords) to push through the DREAM Act, or anything based on the DREAM Act—-just right wing blogs and opinion pieces.

So I did what I usually do when you righties are all in a tizzy over such things—-checked out the Urban Legends sites. And, sure enough, there it was. Based on one of those anonymous mass e mails so dear to the hearts of gullible righties, buzzwords and all . . .

Next time, try citing a NEWS source instead of a “pass this on to everyone you know!” e mail opinion piece, huh? 😉 “

It is interesting to note that you consider Snopes to be a News Source. Regardless a more careful reading of their post would have revealed the following to you:

Although the Dream Act has not been passed by Congress, in August 2011 the Obama administration announced it would begin using prosecutorial discretion in deportation cases along guidelines similar to those outlined in that proposed legislation:

The Obama administration announced that it would suspend deportation proceedings against many illegal immigrants who pose no threat to national security or public safety.

The new policy is expected to help thousands of illegal immigrants who came to the United States as young children, graduated from high school and want to go on to college or serve in the armed forces.

White House and immigration officials said they would exercise “prosecutorial discretion” to focus enforcement efforts on cases involving criminals and people who have flagrantly violated immigration laws.

Under the new policy, the secretary of homeland security, Janet Napolitano, can provide relief, on a case-by-case basis, to young people who are in the country illegally but pose no threat to national security or to the public safety.

The decision would, through administrative action, help many intended beneficiaries of legislation that has been stalled in Congress for a decade. The sponsor of the legislation, Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, has argued that “these young people should not be punished for their parents’ mistakes.”

Mr. Durbin said he believed the new policy would stop the deportation of most people who would qualify for relief under his bill, known as the Dream Act (formally the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act).

Now we can argue the difference between syntax and semantics. But two things remain constant. The DREAM act is not legislation. It is proposed legislation. Obama is using his assumed authority to ignore law to deem (without consent of the legislative branch)that certain ones of them may only be selectively enforced.

Perhaps that is why Snopes tagged this “rumor” as “mostly true”.

Kip Hooker
Member

“I made no such generalization about women, Kick. “

Poor dumb Oblivia, your reading-comprehension deficiencies are showing again. Kick didn’t even make that comment. I guess it should be no surprise you don’t know what “You see to have a rather fragile macho mentality, as evidenced by the icon you display:” means.

sa_rose
Member

Thirds!

Olivia
Member

“I made no such generalization about women, Kick. “

Poor dumb Oblivia, your reading-comprehension deficiencies are showing again. Kick didn’t even make that comment. I guess it should be no surprise you don’t know what “You see to have a rather fragile macho mentality, as evidenced by the icon you display:” means.
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Gosh, Kip, I still don’t see any reference to women in that statement, much less a generalization about them.

Suppose you use some of your superior “reading comprehension” skills to point it out to me?

Kip Hooker
Member

“You see to have a rather fragile macho mentality, as evidenced by the icon you display:”

Well Oblivia, when I read your above quote I immediately took a look at Sidekick’s icon. It is a person wearing a gee and performing a martial art’s kick. I wondered to myself why you thought such a thing was “macho”. Could it be the outfit? Well, possibly. But it seemed far more likely that it was the action being represented. So if the action is “macho” then it stands to reason that it is exclusive and different from the opposite of macho . . . or feminine. And then I wondered what is it about martial arts that could be anti-feminine? Nothing of course, but you are pretty famous around here for your bigotry so I just chalked it up to one more ignorant statement from that poorly educated fan of Tweelight books (and no that was not a misspelling . . . it is what is sometimes referred to as a portmanteau)

Olivia
Member

Well Oblivia, when I read your above quote I immediately took a look at Sidekick’s icon. It is a person wearing a gee and performing a martial art’s kick. I wondered to myself why you thought such a thing was “macho”. Could it be the outfit? Well, possibly. But it seemed far more likely that it was the action being represented. So if the action is “macho” then it stands to reason that it is exclusive and different from opposite of macho . . . or feminine.
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“Feminine” is not the opposite of “macho,” Kip. The concept of machismo implies an element of self-consciousness, the need to depict oneself as tough and virile to assert one’s masculinity. For many American men, that means talking tough, driving big, high powered vehicles, depicting themselves as athletes and making derogatory sexist remarks about women whom they deem too assertive. (You know, like “She needs a good lay,” or “It must be that time of the month.”)

My observation had absolutely nothing to do with women, or stereotypes related to same. Nor, by the way, was it specific to people who practice martial arts.
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And then I wondered what is it about martial arts that could be anti-feminine? Nothing of course but you are pretty famous around here for your bigotry so I just chalked it up to one more ignorant statement from that poorly educated fan of Tweelight books (and no that was not a misspelling . . . it is what is sometimes referred to as a portmanteau)
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Sorry, Kip, but I already pointed out that I’m not a Twilight series fan, and have neither read the books nor seen the movies. Why do you feel the need to repeat lies about me? Is that the only strategy you can think of, to win debate points here?

That’s kind of sad, you know.

Sidekick
Member

“Sorry, Kip, but I already pointed out that I’m not a Twilight series fan, and have neither read the books nor seen the movies. Why do you feel the need to repeat lies about me? Is that the only strategy you can think of, to win debate points here?”

Because you have zero credibility. Just because you say you are not a “Twilight” fan does not make it so. Sucks when people say things about you that aren’t or may not be true does it not? Too bad, we’re sick of your BS.

sa_rose
Member

You indicated that his martial arts gravatar was phallic in nature, when in fact, it is a picture of a legitimate move in martial arts. Women and children all make that same move, so by attaching a phallic meaning to it, you are stating that is it a male symbol of sexuality, not a normal action perfomed by men, women and children in martial arts. Heck, I’ve even seen a version of that kick in exercise classes!

Sidekick
Member

It is called a wait for it……sidekick. One of the first kicks taught in any dojo. Takes awhile to be able to kick that high though. There are no male and female martial arts techniques that I am aware of. Totally gender neutral activity.

poppajoe49
Member

That’s what I was just going to say Kick. I know from my personal experience, Judo, Karate, and Aikido, there were never any instructions given that were different for males vs females. Everyone was taught and treated the same.

Sidekick
Member

How’d your back survive aikido? I stayed away from all of those crash landings. Had enough of that with the judo throws. When I was really active I focused on American kickboxing and Brazilian jujitsu. Now it’s mostly TKD forms and combinations.

poppajoe49
Member

I was MUCH younger!!
I did that in my teens and early 20’s

Kip Hooker
Member

“Feminine” is not the opposite of “macho,” Kip. The concept of machismo implies an element of self-consciousness, the need to depict oneself as tough and virile to assert one’s masculinity”

Wait, does machismo contain elements of femininity? If it is not feminine exclusive why the qualifier about it being the need to “assert one’s masculinity”? If the word has no quantifiable meaning why are you using it?

Oh, of course. You used it because you wanted to denigrate someone for their gender and in doing some revealed your own bigotry and bias about what women should be able to do.

I do apologize about the Twilight comments though. After a little research I have discovered they were written on a fifth grade level. Clearly these books expect the reader have acquired a minimum reading comprehension ability that is far beyond yours.

Alien
Member

overly restricted search (were the quotes necessary?), leading to erroneous conclusions. Interesting

Is it really out of the realm of possibility that a common phrase might be applied to a debate opponent’s mind?

Olivia
Member

“Feminine” is not the opposite of “macho,” Kip. The concept of machismo implies an element of self-consciousness, the need to depict oneself as tough and virile to assert one’s masculinity”
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Wait, does machismo contain elements of femininity? If it is not feminine exclusive why the qualifier about it being the need to “assert one’s masculinity”?
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The emphasis is on NEED to assert one’s masculinity, Kip. Personally, I think every man has at least traces of qualities most commonly attributed to women, and every woman has at least traces of qualities commonly attributed to men. Macho men tend to suppress those traditionally “feminine” qualities, and flaunt what our society regards as traditionally male behavior.

That doesn’t make it the “opposite” of femininity. The opposite of machismo, if there is one, would be the ABSENCE of machismo—-a man who does whatever he wants or needs to do, without worrying about conveying a masculine image.

Kip Hooker
Member

Macho men tend to suppress those traditionally “feminine” qualities, and flaunt what our society regards as traditionally male behavior.”

So how is the graphic of a martial arts move being performed an example of “macho”. How is the martial artist suppressing feminine qualities? Unless you are suggesting that discipline, self-control, kindness and reason are non-feminine qualities.

Macho men tend to suppress those traditionally “feminine” qualities, and flaunt what our society regards as traditionally male behavior. That doesn’t make it the “opposite” of femininity.

Right, the absence of certain qualities cannot mark something as opposite. Noted . . . good to know that darkness, in fact, cannot be considered the opposite of light.

Olivia
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So how is the graphic of a martial arts move being performed an example of “macho”.
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It isn’t, taken by itself. I’m referring primarily to his attitude.

You, of course, are free to deny that you can see any such attitude, which I’m sure you’re going to do.

RockingHorseGuy
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I’ve always looked at macho as being phony masculinity, or somebody trying to project the image of masculinity to the point of being ridiculous. I haven’t seen either one of those in Sidekick.

Sidekick
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“It isn’t, taken by itself. I’m referring primarily to his attitude.”

By that, of course, you mean that I don’t agree with you on anything and call out your considerable intellectual shortcomings.

drb
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LOL, Classic!

drb
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Turdz!

sa_rose
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Nope. I have never said I was forever leaving a thread, then came back and posted. When I make a decision, it is already well thought out and doesn’t generally change in the near future unless some radically different information becomes available. Not wishy washy here. Go find yourself a Pisces for that!

Olivia
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Nope. I have never said I was forever leaving a thread, then came back and posted.
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Neither did I, Rose.

sa_rose
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You most certainly did! Now you are denying YOUR OWN POST? Jesus Mary and Joseph, protect me from idiots.