An IHTM Editorial:
Debunked: Porn in the USA, Conservatives are biggest consumers

by editor on March 2, 2009

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Hating the media is our reason for living. And we think intentionally misleading news stories are almost as pornographic as pornography. Like the one ABC News ran the other night.

At IHateTheMedia.com, we admit right up front that what we do is commentary. On a good day, mildly amusing commentary. We would never call ourselves a news organization, and after this so-called news report, maybe ABC News shouldn’t either. “Porn in the USA: Conservatives Are Biggest Consumers,” ABC’s report, said “Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious.”

The background

According to a study (view PDF) conducted by Benjamin Edelman of the Harvard Business School, there’s very little difference between porn consumption in red states and blue states. In fact, Edelman concludes that “When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different…The differences here are not so stark.”

Unfortunately, ABC started its report by stating a starkly contrary conclusion, then went off on a circuitous safari in search of data to support it. In reality, there’s absolutely nothing in the study to support ABC’s flimsy conclusion that conservatives consume more porn than liberals, because there’s nothing in the study that asked the respondents if they were conservative or liberal. Nothing.

But above and beyond ABC’s outrageous claims, we believe the study itself has serious problems.

For example, the study tracked only paid porn services and completely overlooked the vast quantity of free porn consumed online. That decision, it seems to us, immediately throws all the survey’s results into question. It’s like describing the Grand Canyon after viewing it through a keyhole.

Our point of view as seen through the same keyhole

A sense of entitlement –- the concept that you’re entitled to get something for free for which others have to pay –- seems to us to be a purely liberal concept. You name it -welfare, healthcare, housing, music, open source software – liberals always seem to think it should be free.

For example, Napster users thought they shouldn’t have to pay for music because “the labels make too much money.” Class warfare is a liberal concept through and through.

On the other hand, many people thought Napster violated copyright laws and didn’t use its service because they thought it was no different than stealing. Support for law and order is a conservative concept, through and through.

Our conclusion, but probably not the one
you thought we were going to reach

While we think it’s quite possible that conservatives buy more porn, we’re also think it’s quite possible that liberals actually consume more porn. The difference, we think, is that conservatives pay for it, but liberals don’t. After all, why would anyone think that the same people who want free healthcare, free welfare and free mortgages wouldn’t also want free porn.

A few additional considerations

According to Edelman’s study, some of the factors that influence porn purchases include age (people over 65 consume less, people 15-24 consume more), education (those with college educations tend to consume more porn), and location (urban residents consume more porn).

Every demographic study shows that Democrat voters skew younger than Republicans. Shouldn’t we then assume that Democrats consume more porn?

We’re always told that Democrats are more educated than Republicans. Shouldn’t we then assume that Democrats consume more porn?

Democrats dominate urban areas and Republicans dominate everywhere else. Shouldn’t we then assume that Democrats consume more porn?

A final thought

We believe the only conclusion that can accurately be drawn from Edelman’s study is that no conclusions can accurately be drawn from Edelman’s study.

Unless you want to draw conclusions that have no basis in fact. Like ABC did.

Now then, does anyone know any of those free porn sites?

{ 35 comments… read them below or add one }

KansasGirl March 2, 2009 at 6:24 am

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After reading ABC’s headline, I quit reading.

flashingscotsman March 17, 2012 at 10:53 am

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Liberals draw whatever conclusions they want from studies, whether the studies provide evidence for nothing, or even evidence to the contrary. Nothing new here.

Michelle March 2, 2009 at 7:32 am

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I dug it so I Digged it for you:

Click here to Digg it.

Everyone who hated the libs and media giggling when this came out and throwing it in our faces: DIGG IT. DIGG IT NOW. That’s how it will get noticed. The ABC Report has lots of Diggs. Let’s beat it.

Also, share it on your social bookmarks, your Facebook, your favorite forums. go to work people!

Mr. XRing March 2, 2009 at 7:35 am

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After all, why would anyone think that the same people who want free healthcare, free welfare and free mortgages wouldn’t also want free porn.

HAHAHAHAHA!! FACT!!!

flashingscotsman March 17, 2012 at 10:55 am

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Isn’t porn a basic human right?

Michelle March 2, 2009 at 9:26 am

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From a thread at the DemocraticUnderground.com:

“There is way to much free porn out there to justify paying for it. ”

“Yup, Conservatives are just dumber…And they can’t find. :)”

“That’s what I don’t get. It’s unavoidable! I remember the first Google search I ever did. Google was still new and offered up some “interesting” results. I was looking for a picture of a chicken and on the first link, I got an eyeful of bestiality.”

You see, even they know they get it for free. This rebuttal is correct!

If you want to see the rest of the nasty comments you should go to the thread and see what they are saying about conservatives, like we have more abortions, get less sex, wives’ dream about Obama, etc.

So listen, is it true conservatives are less techy than liberals? I’m starting to think so since you guys are not Digging this article. Don’t complain about the original report, or what the lefties say at places like the DU, if you don’t Diggit. Geez!

kevin March 2, 2009 at 10:09 am

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I think I say this good Debunked.

oc madam March 2, 2009 at 1:04 pm

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I’m canceling my subscription to National Geographic

Gord Metcalfe March 10, 2009 at 9:24 pm

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Get over it. Defensive much? Who cares. So Republicans whack off more.
Enjoy it while you can….
Tip: Keep the Kleenex handy

PabsX May 7, 2009 at 3:53 am

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Let’s deconstruct your argument …

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“For example, the study tracked only paid porn services and completely overlooked the vast quantity of free porn consumed online. That decision, it seems to us, immediately throws all the survey’s results into question. ”

No it doesn’t. There’s no way to reliably track free online porn consumption for the two groups involved. A survey is one possibility, but it would be inherently unreliable. Liberals and conservatives have very different views about the ‘correctness’ of pornography. To a conservative that believes pornography is immoral (but still views pornography), the question “Do you watch free online pornography?” essentially asks “Are you’re a hypocrite?”. To a liberal who believes pornography is OK, no hypocrisy is involved when admitting to pornography. Since no one likes being a hypocrite, answers end up fudged even when the survey is completely anonymous. So it makes sense to only look at the paid porn services.

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“While we think it’s quite possible that conservatives buy more porn, we’re also think it’s quite possible that liberals actually consume more porn. The difference, we think, is that conservatives pay for it, but liberals don’t.”

Of course it’s possible. So why don’t you make your case with some hard statistics instead of resorting to the following ridiculous statement:

“After all, why would anyone think that the same people who want free health care, free welfare and free mortgages wouldn’t also want free porn.”

This piece of logic is so convoluted, that I’d cry if I didn’t roll over the floor laughing. Your argument is based on linking the word ‘liberal’ with every negative appearance of the word ‘free’. On its own, this argument can’t be supported. In this particular case it falls flat on its face. The vast majority of so called ‘free porn’ is actually stolen content. Care to argue how being a liberal somehow implies being a thief?

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“Every demographic study shows that Democrat voters skew younger than Republicans. Shouldn’t we then assume that Democrats consume more porn?”

I can tell you payed far too much attention to the ultra liberal babe sitting next to you in statistics class. That’s why you had to whip out words that you don’t explain (i.e. skew) or show how it actually applies to the subject matter.

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“We’re always told that Democrats are more educated than Republicans.”

The very existence of this article is proof positive of that statement.
;-)

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“Shouldn’t we then assume that Democrats consume more porn?”

If the difference in education happens mostly at the post graduate level, then you can’t conclude anything You need to look at the ‘some college’ level and below. Based on the statistics below, Republicans should consume more porn.

VOTE BY EDUCATION
D R D* R* D^ R^
No High School (3%) 64% 35% 19.20% 10.50% 19.20% 10.50%
H.S. Graduate (21%) 55% 44% 11.55% 9.24% 30.75% 19.74%
Some College (31%) 51% 47% 15.81% 14.57% 46.56% 34.31%
College Graduate (27%) 49% 49%
Postgraduate (18%) 58% 41%

* = weighted
^ = cumulative

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“Democrats dominate urban areas and Republicans dominate everywhere else. Shouldn’t we then assume that Democrats consume more porn?”

An example of what John Allen Paulos talks about in his book “Innumeracy: Mathematical Illiteracy and Its Consequences”. Do Democrats dominate urban areas by 99% to 1%, 51% to 49%, or is it somewhere in the middle? How does the population of urban areas compare to non-urban areas? Without this information, no meaningful statement can be made about Democrats consuming more porn.

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“A final thought

We believe the only conclusion that can accurately be drawn from Edelman’s study is that no conclusions can accurately be drawn from Edelman’s study.”

The article “Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?” was written by a University of Michigan professor of economics for the peer reviewed Journal of Economic Perspectives with plenty of references cited.

The article “Debunked: Porn in the USA, Conservatives are biggest consumers” was written by an unknown author, peer reviewed by no one, and cites no references.

The conclusion should be obvious to the intelligent reader.

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tHe Married Guy October 10, 2009 at 6:16 pm

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If you paid any attention to this site–particularly to this article–you’d realize that it was meant to be satirical. The author was pointing out how flawed the arguments are by arguing along the same lines. These arguments aren’t meant to be genuine. They’re meant to be showing how ridiculous such a concept (the thought that they can prove conservatives or liberals view more porn) is when one looks at all of the arguments presented.

Now in relation to some of your points:

1. While you are absolutely right that no one can accurately track who views free porn sites, that seems to be the primary point of the author when he says, “…the study tracked only paid porn services and completely overlooked the vast quantity of free porn consumed online. That decision, it seems to us, immediately throws all the survey’s results into question.” It is BECAUSE there can be no accurate tracking that such surveys come into question. There is more to look at than any such survey could possibly investigate. As such, while the survey may show that conservatives pay for more pornography, there is no way of knowing for sure how much is actually consumed by either side, thereby making the accuracy of the survey’s results impossible to determine.

2. As far as the remaining arguments go, they are quite simply meant to be ridiculous. They aren’t meant to show genuine proof of liberals being more porn-happy or anything; they’re meant to show that such fallacious logic is essentially what is used to argue for conservatives consuming more porn. Remember, much of what is posted on this site is satire.

As said before, there is no way of really knowing whether liberals or conservatives consume more porn. ABC’s story was completely fallacious in nature, and this article further shows how little can be accurately determined based on what the survey showed. As the author so bluntly put it:
“We believe the only conclusion that can accurately be drawn from Edelman’s study is that no conclusions can accurately be drawn from Edelman’s study.
Unless you want to draw conclusions that have no basis in fact. Like ABC did.”

PabsX January 5, 2010 at 8:23 am

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In 1. you wrote :

“It is BECAUSE there can be no accurate tracking that such surveys come into question. There is more to look at than any such survey could possibly investigate. As such, while the survey may show that conservatives pay for more pornography, there is no way of knowing for sure how much is actually consumed by either side, thereby making the accuracy of the survey’s results impossible to determine.”

The study (which ABC based its story on) made claims only about consumption of PAID pornography. The lack of information about consumption of unpaid pornography does not invalidate the study.

In fairness to the conservatives, ABC should have titled their report as “Porn in the USA: Conservatives Are Biggest PAYING Consumers” or similar.

Gord Metcalfe May 7, 2009 at 6:49 am

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@ PabsX
“The conclusion should be obvious to the intelligent reader.”

Ah, but therein lies the rub (pun intended).

PabsX May 8, 2009 at 8:44 am

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@Gord Metcalfe

“@ PabsX
“The conclusion should be obvious to the intelligent reader.”

Ah, but therein lies the rub (pun intended).”

I guess you want a ‘happy ending’? ;-)

danybhoy January 5, 2010 at 10:49 am

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I don’t have a problem with porn, if you want watch it, knock yourself out.
I will say this, at least the porn industry is pro American for the most part. I don’t think you will find much in the way of bashing America in their vids. No Michael Moore, anti capitalist BS, none of that. Just people having sex for money, because they are capitalists.

That might be my libertarian streak showing through, or maybe my creapy side, take your pick.

Editor January 5, 2010 at 11:07 am

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We vote for creepy libertarian. But we agree with you.

danybhoy January 6, 2010 at 5:26 am

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I can live with that.

flashingscotsman March 17, 2012 at 10:59 am

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I vote for Creepy Libertarian also. And that’s not any kind of putdown, I feel the same way.

neo bonbon January 6, 2010 at 12:55 am

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I watch porn, and so do my liberal-minded friends. if our sex life is otherwise fulfilling for my significant other and I, whats the problem? ‘Don’t knock masturbation, its sex with someone I love’! The most anti-porn person I know, personally, is a hard core Obama-mama who works for mtv’s Rock the Vote. What gives? am I missing something?
Liberals getting porn stuck in their craw again? I thought they got passed that in the ’80s.

on a side note, has any one noticed how little “sexy” “spank worthy” stuff is on any of mtv’s channels these days? Gone are the Madonna and Faith Hill days. Now its just promotion of out of wedlock sex / gay sex on their ‘Reality” shows. which are about as unsexy as it gets. could they be anti masturbation, now?

danybhoy January 6, 2010 at 11:59 am

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I will admit to be confused about one thing about masterbation, & it’s this…I have heard people call it “pleasuring yourself”, & I have heard it called “self abuse”. So which is it? They both mean the same thing, but both terms are the opposite of each other.

flashingscotsman March 17, 2012 at 11:19 am

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Self abuse is the term people use for it if they are ashamed that they do it. I believe these are also the people that do it the most, but I haven’t conducted a study to “prove” that.

JPT January 7, 2010 at 2:20 am

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The argument about paid vs free is dead on. By ‘free’ it should take into account pirated as well (if it did not originally). There was even a debate (on G4TV and on some forums and blogs) over the wave of the new ‘free’ porn like Red Tube and You Porn vs the ‘old’ paid media like DVD or joining a website or buying a magazine subscription. That talk failed to mention that anyone who has half a brain and wants to see the ‘premium’ (paid for) content can find DVD rips, magazine scans and what are called site rips posted on torrent sites and on Rapidshare and Megaupload and others.

As to the demographics? There is no way that one can track actual data on who is viewing what based on some split like liberal vs conservative. ISPs and media rights groups (those who want DRM or who oppose DRM etc) and trend-casting services all disagree as to how much electronic traffic that flows over our networks is taken up by porn usage. Some say protocols like BitTorrent account for up to 70% of their usage to move porn- others say that only 6% moves pron. So too with other ways to move data to and fro over a network. So if the VOLUME of what is porn traffic and how much of this traffic is in question: How can you even begin to look at the WHO when the WHAT is still not locked in?

As to the issue of ‘what is porn?’ Does ABC mean softcore or hardcore? Do they mean to define what is what?

I sleep with conservative and many liberal women. Mostly my age (I am 30) and they are between 25 to 32. Many will not ‘watch porn’ but love to see some softcore flick with girl/girl kissing and simulated intercourse. So do those women even count in a survey? I say that is porn but many of them don’t and despite viewing it say that they don’t view porn.

Also “Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious.” Really?

So everyone in a state is homogenized? All those from CA are long haired hippie dead beats on welfare and smoking the drugs… All those in TX and GA are redneck Bible thumpers. I am in IL (Chicago) and I am not a liberal Chicago patsy Dem. I am Republican with Libertarian leanings. States do trend a certain way but all states are a mixed lot.

So who is to say that the liberal base (of whatever size) in a red state are not the ones sucking down more of the porn juice them their conservative counterparts? For every liberal in a red state that liberal may consume FIVE TIMES the porn quota of every conservative resident. Of course how could you tell who does what within a state and that argument is arbitrary and bunk and would not hold up to any test- but so is ABC’s argument.

What of swing states? How is their porn usage? Again the wheels come off… When the state is Red the porn usage is up? When it leans Blue the pron consumption drops? Come on…

I watch and enjoy porn. I watch it solo and watch it with some of my lovers. I have emailed pics and given links (of where to some find wild stuff) to some of my horn dog pals too. I am conservative and do believe in God, guns and low taxes. I do not let porn impact my social relationships on any level nor get in the way of my job nor other activities.

That is another issue: How many liberal are ‘porn addicts’ and lack social skills to get women into bed and into relationships in the real world? How many are sitting at home jacking it all day to their porn collection? Contrast that to how many conservatives have that issue? AGAIN- Who can tell? How you can find this out accurately and truthfully? One cannot!

ABC wanted to make this look like the conservatives are all a bunch of porn mongers who are hypocrites. Why did not not talk about how the “Safe Schools Czar” supports NAMBLA. That is a group that is for legalizing child rape!! Look it up! Google “obama czar nambla” and see for yourself!

That is the kind of sex perversion that needs to be on the headline news. Not the trends (real of made up) of adult Americans doing what they will legally with porn or with actual sex behind closed doors.

I stayed off the topics of under age teens sexting to other underage teens (again conservative or liberal and who can tell) and of kiddie porn and of minors ( again conservative or liberal and who can tell) viewing the 18+ content as issues. Also the issue of homemade porn and of webcam shows (broadcast or private) and even more. Those all go back to the fact that ABC’s version of this story is just biased crap and is incomplete journalism.

Hey ABC… Oh, Oh, OH! I got a money shot for you- A BIG TIME ONE Honey!! Oh… Damn! You killed my wood ABC… Get your fugly ass up out of here!

PabsX January 9, 2010 at 3:47 am

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JPT wrote :


“Also

“Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious.”

Really? So everyone in a state is homogenized? …”

Is this satire or just ignorance on your part of what ‘… tend to be more …’ means in the present context?

JPT January 9, 2010 at 4:54 am

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Neither genius… Its a quote from the article.

“ABC’s report, said “Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious.””

As a I already wrote about, the way something ‘tends’ to appear is just a Red Herring in a case like this since the full actions and habits (who is/isn’t doing what in any state) cannot ever be assessed. So however it ‘tends’ to look is merely an appearance. And that appearance may or may not be a false one at that. ABC’s report amounted to fancy guesswork which was interpreted in a false manner to lead to a biased, and wrong, conclusion.

As to the extent of my mighty powers of satire and of my ignorance… I am just getting in from having a great time a with group of my pals last night. My evening ended with me hooking up with a really cute blonde that I have been getting after for two weeks now. I am just getting back to my place now (its about 6:30 AM Chicago time)

I have this topic (and just a few others) selected for the email update when a new comment hits. I saw your remark while checking my messages right before I head off to bed and laughed when I read your riposte.

What did you do for fun last night? What with all your intellectual might and lack of ability to use satire… Must have been a swinging time! :no:

Actually, I do not want to know. That would imply that I somehow care. ;-)

Sorry, Junior. I won’t play flame war with you either. No time for that.

Just know that you are wrong: Not due to lack of ability nor intelligence, only due to the fact that you did not see the subject, and its flaws, in objective assessment and missed the point. A point which you later tried to make with the same flaws still in it.

PabsX January 9, 2010 at 5:42 am

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You must suffer from low self esteem because you feel a need to inject things like :


“I sleep with conservative and many liberal women”

“My evening ended with me hooking up with a really cute blonde that I have been getting after for two weeks now.”

The people who talk about it the most are the ones doing it the least. Since your imagined sexual adventures are OT to this thread, I suggest you find a more suitable place to post your Friday night escapade with a hooker. Maybe post it at TER, which is probably where you found her. (Be sure to give her a good review!)

Getting back on topic, you either didn’t read “Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?” in the Journal of Economic Perspectives (link at top of this webpage) or you didn’t understand it.

We’ll continue this discussion once you master the material.

flashingscotsman March 17, 2012 at 11:22 am

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“That is another issue: How many liberal are ‘porn addicts’ and lack social skills to get women into bed and into relationships in the real world? How many are sitting at home jacking it all day to their porn collection?”

John? You want to take that question?

H.P.Loathecraft January 7, 2010 at 5:44 am

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Wow, ancient thread revived. Methinks somebody doth protest too much.

truth to reason January 7, 2010 at 11:11 am

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” For example, the study tracked only paid porn services and completely overlooked the vast quantity of free porn consumed online. ”
Yo !
The fact that those people were more than willing to actually SHORE UP CASH to watch some smut makes them a hell lot more suspect, no ?
And should that study show almost negligible difference between the no. of conservatives watching porn vs. liberals, it should worry your side a lot more. You sanctimonous Mark Foley losers.

JPT January 9, 2010 at 4:55 am

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You seem to be angry for no reason. LOL!

flashingscotsman March 17, 2012 at 11:29 am

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Maybe they just want the higher quality? And don’t expect everything to be handed to them for free?

truth to reason January 7, 2010 at 11:18 am

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“While we think it’s quite possible that conservatives buy more porn, we’re also think it’s quite possible that liberals actually consume more porn.”
Well, you can prove the former, and only guess the latter. So, your conclusion fails…

flashingscotsman March 17, 2012 at 11:30 am

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And how, sir, do you prove the former? There was zero evidence put forth.

KimmyQueen January 9, 2010 at 10:27 pm

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This whole thing seems to have been masterminded by a person who was mad (still) that George Bush won (twice) and that these supposedly red states voted for him and the false assumption that most to all the people in these so called red states are conservative/religious/republicans. I guess this was a way to discredit these states and the people that live in them? Somehow a way to minimize their impact? By stating that a great quantity of people (who may or may not prescribe to a certain ideology, faith, belief system or philosophy) are perverts, I suppose in the reporter’s mind, those red state people aren’t smart and shouldn’t be allowed to vote (live? have opinions?)… ? They don’t matter? If they vote for the wrong President again do not count their votes?

Bush won (twice) he is no longer President though so it is time for people to move on. So perhaps some of the “red states” that voted for Bush didn’t vote for Obama, but so what? Why extrapolate something seedy out of a study that wasn’t even executed to measure political affiliations to their use of porn. it is possible for conservatives and republicans to live among liberals in liberals states and viceversa. It is very weird to say that most to all people in a state are more porn favorable and extrapolate that to mean that the people in that state are either this or that JUST because the state has a reputation of having more of a kind of person or voter that subscribes to a certain philosophy, etc.

Stickee March 17, 2012 at 12:05 am

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I never understood why conservatives think liberals want everything for free. It’s almost entirely the opposite. I mean, i vote for social welfare and benefits, that I may never see. I seriously doubt i’ll have use food stamps, i probably wont even use my SS. I pay so that others can have a crutch when they need it, I know too many, way too fcin many, dont need it and abuse it, but thats not a flaw in what you guys call liberalism, its a societal flaw, its a flaw in the social contract that you can’t fix but feel compelled to berate those who support the only successful existing system for it.
Welfare is two-fold, it isnt getting stuff for free, its giving stuff. I know, “other peoples money.” Its kind of part of being in a society. I’d fear a nation where everyone looks out for numero uno. (I’d bring a quote from the Bible if I were religious. But i figure compassion, and neighborly stuff is in there somewhere.)
If you’re really that averse to being required to help others, then live off in the mountains, where you dont look out for anyone else, and no one looks out for you. (though don’t get me wrong, I don’t follow laws cuz theyre laws, and I dont pay taxes cuz im required to pay taxes, i hate the idea of being forced to do something id do anyway. but I put my bigboy pants and get over a pretty irrelevant annoyance.) Anyway, thats my 2 cents, i expect you guys to make up the other 98. Ill spot you next time.

flashingscotsman March 17, 2012 at 11:36 am

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Yes, compassion, neighborly stuff. But what you libs don’t understand is that it it’s taken from you at the point of a gun,then given to those who THE GOVERNMENT decides deserves it, it’s no longer charity, no longer compassionate. I don’t expect you to understand.